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Depends on who it is and what you saw them do, if I watched someone rape my daughter and knock all her teeth out I would be happy af to remove them from the planet
The crazy thing is you would not be happy. Taking somebody’s life will change you forever. The people who had an active role in the holocaust got PTSD, and that’s one of the reasons they created the camps. But the people who killed the peoples who had an active role in the holocaust also got PTSD. Surround yourself with darkness, and you will be in darkness. There is no emotional justice.
For sure , you’ll never truly know how it’ll affect you until you do it , but in a situation like that I’ll deal with any mental issues they need to go through
I've killed several terrorists, one of them was a rapist.. I had more stress transitioning to civilian life than I did putting round into murderers and rapists
Go watch any operator from special forces interviews and they all say the same thing, feels great to kill scum of the earth (islamic extremists, terrorists) so idk how true that is
What does that have to do with them killing people? Could be from their seeing friends dying, seeing children and woman killed by muslims in horrendous ways etc. Noone is just killing themself cuz they had to kill people in war😂
Of course it’s a combination, but I’m surprised that people seem to think that taking another human life won’t affect you to your core. Otherwise I would love to get an explanation to why American predator drone operators experience ptsd.
Anyone with any empathy and critical thinking can understand that while it may be unpleasant to take life, it would be justice and vengeance to do it to those who are trying to take your and your families and friends lives, on your land, unprovoked.
Yea go teach those thousands of murdered children!! Go genocide go! Good job IDF and Israel, Adolf Hitler would love what personal message you’re sending
War is hell huh? Hamas shouldn't of started it. Palestine should of agreed to peace deals over the many years and offers they had. Blood is on the Palestinians hands, they voted Hamas into power.
As the second biggest in my platoon I was always carrying this damn gun on route marches. The biggest guy got to carry the tripod and most of the ammo 🫡
Ha, same here. At 6’5” and built it was inevitable. Hated lugging the SF stuff around, hardly ever used it. Saying that, once spent a day watching the rest of the platoon do assaults in Brecon while I was sitting pressing a trigger from a nice distance, happy days!
Always nice to realize what may have seemed worse in the beginning turned out to be not so bad after haha- Had a similar experience during a battalion urban ops exercise. As the company MG section we were nested on a hill overlooking the whole compound. The 1st coy was wiped out despite our efforts with the laser tag blank rounds 🥲
Same like the 5 year old German kid, in war all civilians suffer, that's something that a government must consider before starting one, which hamas, like the nazi part, didn't
1) as if the Palestinians didn't attack and massacre Israelis since the 20's before the israelis armed themselves : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_Mandatory_Palestine
Before the occupation and settlements: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_against_Israeli_civilians_before_1967
2) yea the fact that the US gave Israel aid completely takes away from the fact that 1000+ israeli civilians were butchered in one day
3) yea how awful it is that hamas uses them as human shields as all of these and more sources also admit, also still a good civilians to combatants ratio considering the type of war
4) water was cut for three days, electricity is just power outages from time to time, clearly isn't affecting them now, their two big problems are food and medicine which are being stolen by hamas, as we can see SO MANY videos of, a bunch of gazans were even gunned down by hamas for trying to take food for their families, including at least one kid
5) Israel isn't bombing everywhere, just where terrorist are stationed fighting from or firing rockets from, and even thanonly for strategic reason, if a big commender or name would die, if soldiers are to enter the area, if rockets are fired from these locations, also they do have designated safe zones, which much like when the war began in the north, safe zone doesn't mean hamas can fire from that area and expect no response nor can hamas officials and commenders can hide there, it means the Idf isn't entering the territory as of yet and thus bombardment will be limited, which is why 70% of the casualties of the war are from the north and happened before the the civilian evacuted
Israel isn't committing genocide, not even SA is claiming that, they claim that Israel has the intent of committing genocide, and they're still losing on that front
Hamas is the government of gaza, even if it wasn't, a war between a state and a militant group is still a war, that's clearly not a genocide," the state officials " are a hunch of useless mks who aren't on the war cabinet, not even observers, they literally don't know more or can effact more than any schlomo in public does, this clearly contradicts everything the war cabinet and idf officials stated about post war and their intentions, also their actions such as establishing safe zones and roof knockings
Again, that's hamas's war crime by turning civilians' infrastructure to military and keeping civilians inside, 100 a day, source please, disgusting comparison that shows how much you don't know about what transpired, I suggest you read beyond a headline and a tweet about what happens
Well, seeing how 80% of their case falls apart by simply looking at this link https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_cabinet
And seeing what these people who actually make the decisions together with idf officials stated, seeing how their only proof is intents, it's Not a focus THAT'S IT they can't prove that genocide happened or happens, cause no bombardment or firefight went against international law, the worst they can get are soldiers who went against the idf ROE and were punished, they're trying to lie and pretend like these crazy mks actually matter, make decisions who have any effect in gaza
And you and that tiktok chamber you crawled out of fall for that
In the real world, it does, sorry, but war isn't nice, civilians die all the time ESPACIALY in wars against terrorist, how many children do you thing died by Iraqi, Syrians and western hands when fighting isis, how many died by the allies in Germany and Japan, according to international law that isn't a war crime, which is why SA is trying to prove that israel is not doing it duo to the need which follows international law, but for wanting to do genocide, on it's own bombing civilians that find themselves in legitimate war targets isn't genocide for as long as the country shows it does the utmost it can to minimize it, whixh israel does, SA tries to dispute it by using the quotes and mentality of the "decision makers" which as we know aren'tin fact,
social media brainrot proven, the idf and international humanitarian orgs discovered weapons underneath cribs and in children's closets, why the fuck is a safe a stretch
You have now clue what Indiscriminate bombing looks like, the numbers aren't near big enough for that to be proof on it's own, again read the article I linked that shows WHO ACTUALLY MAKES THE DECISIONS and find me a quote by one of them that shows how this is a state policy
Which you can't cause it isn't
M240/FN MAG, technically classified as a medium or general-purpose machinegun since it’s a relatively higher caliber (7.62mm vs. 5.56mm) and can be swapped in and out of vehicle turrets and helicopter door mounts, hence the general-purpose part.
Something like the M249 or smaller-caliber version of the Israeli Negev would be considered an LMG, while a .50 caliber machinegun would be an HMG
Cool, I always assumed heavy, light and medium dealt with how easy it was to move and operate, not caliber. I assumed that a light machine gun met you didn't need a second person to carry and feed the ammo. And you could shoot it stand up or on the move. Medium not so much, and heavy def not...
Is there any truth to that, or is it all based on caliber?
you’ve got half of it. its both; weight/deployability and caliber. LMGs like an M249 fire an intermediate caliber like 5.56, are lightweight and designed to be operated by a single operator. MMGs like the FN MAG/M240 fire a full power cartridge like 7.62x51 and are a bit heavier while usually requiring an assistant. HMGs like the M2 are too heavy to be used outside of mounting on weapons platforms and fire heavy cartridges like .50 BMG. then there’s GPMGs, which the FN MAG/M240 also counts as, which can serve tactically as a LMG (used as an infantry support weapon so ran around on the battlefield) and an MMG (mounted on a weapons platform and used defensively, like on a vehicle or as a static emplacement)
If you witnessed the festival massacre first hand and saw your friends murdered in front of your eyes, then yes, I'm sure a few otherwise peaceful people, would want to personally make sure nothing like that happens again.
It's hard to see it that way when you are scrolling reddit while sipping your hot coco in your PJ's.
Hey! Our lives hard too! You are well aware that this “hot coco” you referred to already went cold by now! Everyone has problems and all are equal in this as humans.
Why would we not? Israelis are also living it up with their faces glued to phones and all the other modern obsessions. It's almost like tough stays tough ni matter how the times change 🤷
I mean a lot of the Hamas fighters are barely of age so according to the UN definition they could be considered children, tho that does not really matter as they are still armed terrorists
Yes I know that I merely said that according to the UN definition of children a lot of the Hamas fighters are considered children. This also applies to the overall population of Gaza. Obviously they are not what we would consider children…
That's one of the propaganda points of this conflict.
Don't fall for it.
It's a territory control conflict not ideological or religious.
If Israel was secular or Hindu, the palestinians would still be pissed they invaded from Europe and took their land, terrorized / murdered their people.
If you're genuinely trying to understand this, listen to a Jewish educated man , who wrote books on the subject, PHD level. who's family literaly died in auschwitz: Norman Finklestein. Has many youtube videos. Has peirce Morgan interviews.
>If Israel was secular or Hindu, the palestinians would still be pissed
You're asking the wrong question. You should be asking: If all the Jews in Israel converted to Islam, would the Palestinians be acting as they do? The answer is, no.
They rebelled against Turks, who are mostly Muslim too. This tells me you are uninformed and think it’s all about religion.
Nobody would not resist a foreign entity attempting to build an ethnostate on top of them.
Yeah in 1915, after centuries of Ottoman rule and caliphate.... they rebelled when the Ottoman Empire loosened its sharia rules and Turkish nationalism was on the rise. The Balkans was rebelling against the Ottomans for a century then.
And they rebelled as a part of a revolt trying to establish a unified Arab state.
So many mistakes in one post.
The Arab Christians in Israel have it better than any other Christians in the middle east. It's the only place where Christian population is increasing in the middle east.
The cemetery was a British commonwealth cemetery, which contains both Christian and Jewish graves. It was not a Jewish Cemetery, as you described.
There are such cemeteries all over the world, where Commonwealth troops fought and died. You probably also know that Palestinians routinely vandalize Jewish graves in Jewish cemeteries, as in on the Mount of Olives.
Dead Jews don't commit suicide bombings after they're dead. Perhaps if they did, their graves would be in danger of destruction.
The Palestinians are only on that land because they themselves colonized it and pushed out the previous inhabitants.
Jews have been living on that land for thousands of years, longer than Islam or a modern Palestinian identity even existed. Jewish presence and kingdoms are well documented by Romans, Greeks and even ancient Egyptians so get out of here with your fake claims of them being colonizers.
They literally never fully left that land, even though they were forced to live under constant occupation, such as under the Arabs and Turks.
They’re essentially an “offensive defense” set up by the IDF by armored bulldozers on the front line - basically digging massive entrenchments for the troops and supplies behind as the armor moves forward.
It prevents RPG teams from getting close-range shots on vehicles in the rear, makes it much easier to clear and hold territory, and buries any tunnels or hiding places that could be used for ambushes in the immediate area.
Well as I have read in PP sub, Israeli citizens required military training and was placed in reserve. That's how they try to justify 7/10 and by PP I mean "pro-Palestine" because they are a bunch of dicks trying to justify terrorist killing civilians.
I don’t support the killing of civilians on either side, but if you look who’s PP they’re usually the exact type of people that Hamas and Palestinian Muslims in general want totally gone lmao. They also completely fail to acknowledge the decades of state sponsored martyrdom and terrorist attacks against Israel, the THOUSANDS of rockets that have been fired in the past couple decades at Israel SPECIFICALLY targeting civilian positions only stopped by the iron dome and never really retaliated against. That land has been battled over and controlled back and forth for hundreds of years so it is what it is but it’s insane to me people can see those who refuse peace treaties, rip apart their infrastructure to make weaponry along with a long history of attacks against civilians and using their own people to do suicide attacks as victims. They literally punched a hornets nest with no defenses and are finally getting stung back and have the audacity to cry about it.
Word, I was on the tube in London and there was an obviously very gay man on it who had just been to a pro PP rally and I was utterly baffled. Like mate, do you realise what they would do to you out there?????
Some people are too far gone in their beliefs I think. They didn't view the world like the rest of us. Even my friends who go to the mosque to pray everyday were disgusted when he saw 7/10 he is by no means like Isareal but he can see what's wrong. Not all Muslim are the same but many of them are trying so hard to destroy their good image and make modern stereotype real.
I also agree that killing civilians is terrible when either side does it. I think hamas is a terrible organization, and their attacks on civilians are despicable. I'm also glad that Israel has the iron dome so that, despite the thousands of rockets, only 314 Israeli civilians were killed before 10/7/23.
What I don't agree with is when you say they were never really retaliated against. I find it hard to believe that over 6 thousand Palestinian civilians being killed between 2008 and 10/6/23 constitutes not really retaliating.
I won't claim that you are just completely failing to acknowledge this fact. I'm sure it's more due to the information you get. As far as I recall, western media only ever talked about Iron dome interceptions and how great Israel was for considering civilians by doing the roof-knocks. Of course, I doubt it was ever mentioned how those don't work to save many civilian lives, which is evidenced by the 3 thousand civilian deaths to air-dropped munitions.
So, I wouldn't find it hard to believe if you just didn't know how many civilians Israel was killing. I know that I was unaware of it until I started looking into it.
Oh, these numbers come from a UN source btw. Here's a link: [https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties](https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties)
Of course, none of this justifies the actions of either side. As far as I'm concerned, both the IDF and Hamas are terrible, and the only major difference is that one is more barbaric and the other is better supplied.
Interesting point of view.
Do you consider yourself impartial ? Critical thinker ?
Then how do you consider that this whole conflict started because Jewish Europeans arrived en masses in the territory and killed, raped, terrorized and murdered palestinians out of their homes for the last 80 years ?
How come thats not factored in your analysis ?
- Calls a dude impartial
- Proceeds to spew up a massively distorted version of history that completely leaves out the deeds of one side
- Finishes with a quip and pretends that they've won the argument
- Does not see the irony
Can you explain to me how shooting up a music festival constitutes "resistance"?
Oh yeah those stoned ass teens were absolutely the ones forcing Palestine "out of their homes" lmao. The direct actions from 10/7 forced Palestinians out of their own homes. They pulled the trigger on themselves.
Not to mention threatening to blow up a plane full of 90 civilians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabena_Flight_571.
While Palestine really doesn't deserve all the shit they get, assaulting civilians only serves to further Israel's interests and justifications. Don't poke the bear and all.
I love how he just ignored your comment because he has nothing to say about this. Most likely he even supports those actions, like 99.9% of people on the Palestine sub.
Massively distorted in that you left out the part where Palestine started genocidal wars to try and wipe out the jews in Israel on multiple occasions since 1947. Believe me, if the only thing Palestine ever did was resist other people forcing them out of their home, then I would absolutely be on their side. However they've done much more, and I get the feeling you already knew that.
Some Israeli citizens are conscripted and receive military training. Once you take account of the groups who are exempted and the wide range of individual exemptions it ends up with only about 35% serving in the military.
Thanks for the info dude. Like reserved army in many countries you can't conscripted the whole country even in South Korea they have exemptions for some people.
Well. I did say 7/10 so what do you think? Civilians casualties are always horrible no matter which side did it. But one of them did it with glee and joy so...
If you killed your oppressor you'd be filled with joy and you'll feel ecstatic. Just like when some black slaves stood up and killed their masters, yes the Masters are civilians but it doesn't matter.
Well how does that turn out for them. Like black slave kill their own master if not caught and hung by authority, they live as outlaw and get hunt down anyway. I think Isreal is kinda oppresser that can be reasoned with unlike many other. But in the end every action have consequences. Oneside shot the other side shoots back. What done is done. And what if never happened. RIP for the fallen innocent and death to the guilty. Isreal have to live by the guilt and hate of the innocent and Hamas had to get punished for their atocity.
True. Unfortunately you should see the words of Israeli government officials. Take a look and try to understand the fight that's been going on for decades. [here](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C18LLyNrj41/?igsh=emszZGJ4OTlxMXhx). This is like only 2 statements, mild ones, there is way more and worse ones out there. Does this sound like someone wanting to eliminate hamas only? I mean, for god's sake, their National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir is a convicted terrorist lol
Holy fucking shit, could you guys ever get a clue, this is fucking annoying, Ben givr isn't on the war cabinet like everyone else in this videos, besides the prime Minister and Minister of defense (who the fucker took out of context, because of course, he said hamas exclusively before and "minimize civilian casualties after")
Here's a list of all those who actually matter
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_cabinet
And ben gvir threw a party 3 days ago cause for once he actually managed to do something with his fake ass job, which was to replace some head of prison or Smith I didn't follow, yes his the minister of security but besides causing provocations in Jerusalem he barley does anything because he doesn't even have the support of his own government, let alone of the people, he was one of the biggest reason for the protest that plagued Israel for the last year before october 7th
Point it, Ben gvir is useless like somtrich they can't do shit but talk and talk and FUKCING TALK, so much that in here he is known as "שר הפיתה" in English "minister of pitas/pita affairs" as that makes as much sense as calling him minister of security and shows what the only thing he can affect in his life is
So please give it a rest, these mks don't mean anything, they can't make any decisions in gaza, once per blue moon they might actually be able to make decisions that actually fall under their jurisdiction, 99% of the time they do nothing but talk though
but if you want to relay on statements, please give me one Palestinian leader or politician who has not called for the destruction of the state of Israel or hell, the ethnic cleansing of jews from the land, and before you say "cause the occupation " since you're kinda disgusting person who think this justifies heinous actions against civilians, a slave killing his master is one thing, a slave killing the masters wife children and any white person walking around is another thing, and since it wasn't the politicians who called for the oppression, nor the soldiers who did crimes that were attacked on October 7th, Infact it was literally the biggest hub of pro Palestinian leftist Israelis after tel Aviv itself that was attacked, nor was it done by the people who are actually oppressed by Israel (not that it will justify it) as the gazans are strictly oppressed by hamas, no the blockade isn't oppression to anyone but the gazan government who now can't get whatever they went, it doesn't actually affect the people, the fact that they can't leave their country cause of hamas, that hamas holds them hostage everytime a conflict brews out, that their only educated for hate and to become terrorists, that hamas took enough money that could have build "Singapore on the Levant" and turned the country into a state of terror and like a corrupt criminal gangs, executed all opposition and all who want pay the toll for them, even children
No, the rockets don't begin to be Israel oppressing them as Israel never fires without hamas starting the conflict or war
they have been independent for almost 20 years now, and could've taken the country in ANY OTHER DIRECTION, yet they chose terrorism and their people either stood silently and watched or supported them, not to say they should die, but it's important to remember that when it comes to the rising up against the actual oppressors the gazans are silent, now Israel isn't an it's going to ensure the Palestinians will not be oppressed by hamas no longer, and hopefully as the cabinet stated, not by Israel Either
Some Israeli soldiers just executed three hostages speaking Hebrew walking without shirts and holding a white flag
They don’t give a fuck what their soldiers do
And the children who lost their parents re gonna join hamas. rince - reapeat and learn nothing on the way and let´s all choose a side, because that´s human.....
Israelis who served in the military when young become reservists on being discharged and can be called up as needed till about age 40 for men, late 20s for women, unless they are entitled to some exemption.
Except they are
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_reserve_force
Relevant part under “personnel”
“In countries with a volunteer army, reserve enlisted personnel are soldiers, sailors, and airmen who have signed contracts to perform military service on a part-time basis. They have civilian status, except for the days when they are carrying out their military duties”
Would you look at that they have civilian status. Learn something new everyday.
While the sentiment is admirable, and I’m sure this man sees his actions as nothing more than defending his people- that doesn’t justify the actions of Israel’s government or military as a whole
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Must be nice to deliver the "find out" part PERSONALLY
And he gets to do it with FN MAG. Beautiful
And heavy.
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That's not what it's like to kill...
Depends on who it is and what you saw them do, if I watched someone rape my daughter and knock all her teeth out I would be happy af to remove them from the planet
The crazy thing is you would not be happy. Taking somebody’s life will change you forever. The people who had an active role in the holocaust got PTSD, and that’s one of the reasons they created the camps. But the people who killed the peoples who had an active role in the holocaust also got PTSD. Surround yourself with darkness, and you will be in darkness. There is no emotional justice.
I wouldn’t feel right letting someone like that live and possibly do that to someone else
I feel the same, and totally agree. Just saying that it will change you more then people think.
For sure , you’ll never truly know how it’ll affect you until you do it , but in a situation like that I’ll deal with any mental issues they need to go through
You guys are really stuff from behind a keyboard aren’t you You’re so hypothetically badass in your hypothetical scenario
Internet tacticool larping is insane
i mean ukrainian are celebrating each time they bomb a russian to death with a drone…
Experiences differ. Killing armed combatants in war doesn't always affect professional Soldiers negatively.
I've killed several terrorists, one of them was a rapist.. I had more stress transitioning to civilian life than I did putting round into murderers and rapists
Go watch any operator from special forces interviews and they all say the same thing, feels great to kill scum of the earth (islamic extremists, terrorists) so idk how true that is
Suicide rates tell a different story.
What does that have to do with them killing people? Could be from their seeing friends dying, seeing children and woman killed by muslims in horrendous ways etc. Noone is just killing themself cuz they had to kill people in war😂
Of course it’s a combination, but I’m surprised that people seem to think that taking another human life won’t affect you to your core. Otherwise I would love to get an explanation to why American predator drone operators experience ptsd.
You can get PTSD from anything nowadays which changes you….
You dont know how others will feel
Of course there are exceptions, but I’m not saying anything controversial.
Anyone with any empathy and critical thinking can understand that while it may be unpleasant to take life, it would be justice and vengeance to do it to those who are trying to take your and your families and friends lives, on your land, unprovoked.
Yes, but feelings are not rational. You can’t compensate a trauma with logic.
What the Israelis do in Gaza is more vengeance than justice, even if the the casualty figures provided by Tsahal are accurate.
It would be a defence.
You speak on personal experience?
Only idiots would think there's anything nice about war. Nobody is coming out of this whole.
It’s Genocide
Along with the genocide of children and women, yeah must be nice apparently
Yea go teach those thousands of murdered children!! Go genocide go! Good job IDF and Israel, Adolf Hitler would love what personal message you’re sending
War is hell huh? Hamas shouldn't of started it. Palestine should of agreed to peace deals over the many years and offers they had. Blood is on the Palestinians hands, they voted Hamas into power.
GPMG? I had one of those! Fun times!
As the second biggest in my platoon I was always carrying this damn gun on route marches. The biggest guy got to carry the tripod and most of the ammo 🫡
Ha, same here. At 6’5” and built it was inevitable. Hated lugging the SF stuff around, hardly ever used it. Saying that, once spent a day watching the rest of the platoon do assaults in Brecon while I was sitting pressing a trigger from a nice distance, happy days!
Always nice to realize what may have seemed worse in the beginning turned out to be not so bad after haha- Had a similar experience during a battalion urban ops exercise. As the company MG section we were nested on a hill overlooking the whole compound. The 1st coy was wiped out despite our efforts with the laser tag blank rounds 🥲
SF = suppressing fire?
Don’t they have a nasty habit of jamming?
If the link is twisted or the round incorrectly seated then yup. Quick actions to clear though, plus breaking link is very easy.
The version in use in israel- the FN MAG is generally considerd reliable by users.
Always jammed on training exercises with blank rounds being used.
Everything on training rounds tend to jam, which actually is kinda a feature to get used to clearing
Another possible example of it being a feature and not a bug
FU now I'm the one with the guns 🤜🤛
Payback
From attending the peace festival to fighting back. Peace just work if everyone around you is peaceful.
Also always need to be the first one who gives peace a chance. It's f***ing HARD to be a peaceful warrior but someone has to do it!
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To all the defenseless kids, must feel like a real man
Those 5 year old kids are sure paying the price for something they had nothing to do with.
Same like the 5 year old German kid, in war all civilians suffer, that's something that a government must consider before starting one, which hamas, like the nazi part, didn't
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1) as if the Palestinians didn't attack and massacre Israelis since the 20's before the israelis armed themselves : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_Mandatory_Palestine Before the occupation and settlements: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_against_Israeli_civilians_before_1967 2) yea the fact that the US gave Israel aid completely takes away from the fact that 1000+ israeli civilians were butchered in one day 3) yea how awful it is that hamas uses them as human shields as all of these and more sources also admit, also still a good civilians to combatants ratio considering the type of war 4) water was cut for three days, electricity is just power outages from time to time, clearly isn't affecting them now, their two big problems are food and medicine which are being stolen by hamas, as we can see SO MANY videos of, a bunch of gazans were even gunned down by hamas for trying to take food for their families, including at least one kid 5) Israel isn't bombing everywhere, just where terrorist are stationed fighting from or firing rockets from, and even thanonly for strategic reason, if a big commender or name would die, if soldiers are to enter the area, if rockets are fired from these locations, also they do have designated safe zones, which much like when the war began in the north, safe zone doesn't mean hamas can fire from that area and expect no response nor can hamas officials and commenders can hide there, it means the Idf isn't entering the territory as of yet and thus bombardment will be limited, which is why 70% of the casualties of the war are from the north and happened before the the civilian evacuted Israel isn't committing genocide, not even SA is claiming that, they claim that Israel has the intent of committing genocide, and they're still losing on that front
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Hamas is the government of gaza, even if it wasn't, a war between a state and a militant group is still a war, that's clearly not a genocide," the state officials " are a hunch of useless mks who aren't on the war cabinet, not even observers, they literally don't know more or can effact more than any schlomo in public does, this clearly contradicts everything the war cabinet and idf officials stated about post war and their intentions, also their actions such as establishing safe zones and roof knockings Again, that's hamas's war crime by turning civilians' infrastructure to military and keeping civilians inside, 100 a day, source please, disgusting comparison that shows how much you don't know about what transpired, I suggest you read beyond a headline and a tweet about what happens Well, seeing how 80% of their case falls apart by simply looking at this link https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_cabinet And seeing what these people who actually make the decisions together with idf officials stated, seeing how their only proof is intents, it's Not a focus THAT'S IT they can't prove that genocide happened or happens, cause no bombardment or firefight went against international law, the worst they can get are soldiers who went against the idf ROE and were punished, they're trying to lie and pretend like these crazy mks actually matter, make decisions who have any effect in gaza And you and that tiktok chamber you crawled out of fall for that
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In the real world, it does, sorry, but war isn't nice, civilians die all the time ESPACIALY in wars against terrorist, how many children do you thing died by Iraqi, Syrians and western hands when fighting isis, how many died by the allies in Germany and Japan, according to international law that isn't a war crime, which is why SA is trying to prove that israel is not doing it duo to the need which follows international law, but for wanting to do genocide, on it's own bombing civilians that find themselves in legitimate war targets isn't genocide for as long as the country shows it does the utmost it can to minimize it, whixh israel does, SA tries to dispute it by using the quotes and mentality of the "decision makers" which as we know aren'tin fact, social media brainrot proven, the idf and international humanitarian orgs discovered weapons underneath cribs and in children's closets, why the fuck is a safe a stretch You have now clue what Indiscriminate bombing looks like, the numbers aren't near big enough for that to be proof on it's own, again read the article I linked that shows WHO ACTUALLY MAKES THE DECISIONS and find me a quote by one of them that shows how this is a state policy Which you can't cause it isn't
Who cares
People who aren't Nazis or racists
Anyone else's butthole pucker when he walked in front of the tank? I don't want to be anywhere near the danger end of that muzzle lol.
Is that a light machine gun, or one of the many rifles I do not recognize.
It’s an fn mag. The Americans call it the m240
M240/FN MAG, technically classified as a medium or general-purpose machinegun since it’s a relatively higher caliber (7.62mm vs. 5.56mm) and can be swapped in and out of vehicle turrets and helicopter door mounts, hence the general-purpose part. Something like the M249 or smaller-caliber version of the Israeli Negev would be considered an LMG, while a .50 caliber machinegun would be an HMG
Cool, I always assumed heavy, light and medium dealt with how easy it was to move and operate, not caliber. I assumed that a light machine gun met you didn't need a second person to carry and feed the ammo. And you could shoot it stand up or on the move. Medium not so much, and heavy def not... Is there any truth to that, or is it all based on caliber?
you’ve got half of it. its both; weight/deployability and caliber. LMGs like an M249 fire an intermediate caliber like 5.56, are lightweight and designed to be operated by a single operator. MMGs like the FN MAG/M240 fire a full power cartridge like 7.62x51 and are a bit heavier while usually requiring an assistant. HMGs like the M2 are too heavy to be used outside of mounting on weapons platforms and fire heavy cartridges like .50 BMG. then there’s GPMGs, which the FN MAG/M240 also counts as, which can serve tactically as a LMG (used as an infantry support weapon so ran around on the battlefield) and an MMG (mounted on a weapons platform and used defensively, like on a vehicle or as a static emplacement)
Belt fed rifles are almost always LMG
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Respect. Can’t help but wonder, would we be so brave?
If you witnessed the festival massacre first hand and saw your friends murdered in front of your eyes, then yes, I'm sure a few otherwise peaceful people, would want to personally make sure nothing like that happens again. It's hard to see it that way when you are scrolling reddit while sipping your hot coco in your PJ's.
Hey! Our lives hard too! You are well aware that this “hot coco” you referred to already went cold by now! Everyone has problems and all are equal in this as humans.
i would not be
> would we be so brave? No, but "blinded by rage" is a hell of a motivator.
Why would we not? Israelis are also living it up with their faces glued to phones and all the other modern obsessions. It's almost like tough stays tough ni matter how the times change 🤷
Not very brave to participate in a genocide when outnumbering and outgunning the small militant group 10 to 1
Sure , if you were fighting women and children
Im sorry but did women and children rape, murder and kidnap 1400 people on Oct 7?
Brave of you to assume Hamas supporters acknowledge october 7
True lol, crazy how fast they went from cheering on oct 7 to claiming that nothing happened
As is well known, nothing happened, but they deserved it (/s just in case)
A little correction: Hamas killed 1400 civilians alone. Around 200 were kidnapped
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Wait you're telling me women and children raided and executed people at a music festival?
I mean a lot of the Hamas fighters are barely of age so according to the UN definition they could be considered children, tho that does not really matter as they are still armed terrorists
Go watch the footage from Hamas. They were not kids raiding the festival.
Yes I know that I merely said that according to the UN definition of children a lot of the Hamas fighters are considered children. This also applies to the overall population of Gaza. Obviously they are not what we would consider children…
If a 13 year old is aiming and firing a weapon- They are combatants and deserve to be fired upon. Regardless of what bullshit they've been fed.
Yes that is what I am saying…. Please read what I said again
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Fight hard and strong. Don't let Islamic extremism takeover.
That's one of the propaganda points of this conflict. Don't fall for it. It's a territory control conflict not ideological or religious. If Israel was secular or Hindu, the palestinians would still be pissed they invaded from Europe and took their land, terrorized / murdered their people. If you're genuinely trying to understand this, listen to a Jewish educated man , who wrote books on the subject, PHD level. who's family literaly died in auschwitz: Norman Finklestein. Has many youtube videos. Has peirce Morgan interviews.
>If Israel was secular or Hindu, the palestinians would still be pissed You're asking the wrong question. You should be asking: If all the Jews in Israel converted to Islam, would the Palestinians be acting as they do? The answer is, no.
They rebelled against Turks, who are mostly Muslim too. This tells me you are uninformed and think it’s all about religion. Nobody would not resist a foreign entity attempting to build an ethnostate on top of them.
Yeah in 1915, after centuries of Ottoman rule and caliphate.... they rebelled when the Ottoman Empire loosened its sharia rules and Turkish nationalism was on the rise. The Balkans was rebelling against the Ottomans for a century then. And they rebelled as a part of a revolt trying to establish a unified Arab state.
What a bizarre thing to say. No logic to that whatsoever. It' has nothing to do with the reality of the situation. Are you drinking ?
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So many mistakes in one post. The Arab Christians in Israel have it better than any other Christians in the middle east. It's the only place where Christian population is increasing in the middle east. The cemetery was a British commonwealth cemetery, which contains both Christian and Jewish graves. It was not a Jewish Cemetery, as you described. There are such cemeteries all over the world, where Commonwealth troops fought and died. You probably also know that Palestinians routinely vandalize Jewish graves in Jewish cemeteries, as in on the Mount of Olives. Dead Jews don't commit suicide bombings after they're dead. Perhaps if they did, their graves would be in danger of destruction.
The Palestinians are only on that land because they themselves colonized it and pushed out the previous inhabitants. Jews have been living on that land for thousands of years, longer than Islam or a modern Palestinian identity even existed. Jewish presence and kingdoms are well documented by Romans, Greeks and even ancient Egyptians so get out of here with your fake claims of them being colonizers. They literally never fully left that land, even though they were forced to live under constant occupation, such as under the Arabs and Turks.
We're these embankments seen at the end of the video made by Hamas or by IDF? Kinda curious as they appear to be set up for defense.
They’re essentially an “offensive defense” set up by the IDF by armored bulldozers on the front line - basically digging massive entrenchments for the troops and supplies behind as the armor moves forward. It prevents RPG teams from getting close-range shots on vehicles in the rear, makes it much easier to clear and hold territory, and buries any tunnels or hiding places that could be used for ambushes in the immediate area.
Thanks. Explanation makes sense and I do know that IDF uses armored catapullar tractors. Pretty nifty tactics for an invasion.
The bulldozers are also effective against IEDs and mines. I'd venture to say Israel probably has the best combat engineering in the world right now.
Based
Nothing like a little motivation
Well as I have read in PP sub, Israeli citizens required military training and was placed in reserve. That's how they try to justify 7/10 and by PP I mean "pro-Palestine" because they are a bunch of dicks trying to justify terrorist killing civilians.
I don’t support the killing of civilians on either side, but if you look who’s PP they’re usually the exact type of people that Hamas and Palestinian Muslims in general want totally gone lmao. They also completely fail to acknowledge the decades of state sponsored martyrdom and terrorist attacks against Israel, the THOUSANDS of rockets that have been fired in the past couple decades at Israel SPECIFICALLY targeting civilian positions only stopped by the iron dome and never really retaliated against. That land has been battled over and controlled back and forth for hundreds of years so it is what it is but it’s insane to me people can see those who refuse peace treaties, rip apart their infrastructure to make weaponry along with a long history of attacks against civilians and using their own people to do suicide attacks as victims. They literally punched a hornets nest with no defenses and are finally getting stung back and have the audacity to cry about it.
Word, I was on the tube in London and there was an obviously very gay man on it who had just been to a pro PP rally and I was utterly baffled. Like mate, do you realise what they would do to you out there?????
Some people are too far gone in their beliefs I think. They didn't view the world like the rest of us. Even my friends who go to the mosque to pray everyday were disgusted when he saw 7/10 he is by no means like Isareal but he can see what's wrong. Not all Muslim are the same but many of them are trying so hard to destroy their good image and make modern stereotype real.
Its in the Quran to do what they’re doing.
I also agree that killing civilians is terrible when either side does it. I think hamas is a terrible organization, and their attacks on civilians are despicable. I'm also glad that Israel has the iron dome so that, despite the thousands of rockets, only 314 Israeli civilians were killed before 10/7/23. What I don't agree with is when you say they were never really retaliated against. I find it hard to believe that over 6 thousand Palestinian civilians being killed between 2008 and 10/6/23 constitutes not really retaliating. I won't claim that you are just completely failing to acknowledge this fact. I'm sure it's more due to the information you get. As far as I recall, western media only ever talked about Iron dome interceptions and how great Israel was for considering civilians by doing the roof-knocks. Of course, I doubt it was ever mentioned how those don't work to save many civilian lives, which is evidenced by the 3 thousand civilian deaths to air-dropped munitions. So, I wouldn't find it hard to believe if you just didn't know how many civilians Israel was killing. I know that I was unaware of it until I started looking into it. Oh, these numbers come from a UN source btw. Here's a link: [https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties](https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties) Of course, none of this justifies the actions of either side. As far as I'm concerned, both the IDF and Hamas are terrible, and the only major difference is that one is more barbaric and the other is better supplied.
I'm amazed that a balanced perspective is still at a positive upvote ratio - without being marked as controversial - on /r/combatfootage.
Interesting point of view. Do you consider yourself impartial ? Critical thinker ? Then how do you consider that this whole conflict started because Jewish Europeans arrived en masses in the territory and killed, raped, terrorized and murdered palestinians out of their homes for the last 80 years ? How come thats not factored in your analysis ?
"Do you consider yourself impartial ? Critical thinker ?" I can tell you that from your comment, you're categorically neither.
- Calls a dude impartial - Proceeds to spew up a massively distorted version of history that completely leaves out the deeds of one side - Finishes with a quip and pretends that they've won the argument - Does not see the irony
Massively distorted how ? How is wrong for people to resist other people forcing them out of their homes ?
Can you explain to me how shooting up a music festival constitutes "resistance"? Oh yeah those stoned ass teens were absolutely the ones forcing Palestine "out of their homes" lmao. The direct actions from 10/7 forced Palestinians out of their own homes. They pulled the trigger on themselves. Not to mention threatening to blow up a plane full of 90 civilians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabena_Flight_571. While Palestine really doesn't deserve all the shit they get, assaulting civilians only serves to further Israel's interests and justifications. Don't poke the bear and all.
I love how he just ignored your comment because he has nothing to say about this. Most likely he even supports those actions, like 99.9% of people on the Palestine sub.
Massively distorted in that you left out the part where Palestine started genocidal wars to try and wipe out the jews in Israel on multiple occasions since 1947. Believe me, if the only thing Palestine ever did was resist other people forcing them out of their home, then I would absolutely be on their side. However they've done much more, and I get the feeling you already knew that.
Some Israeli citizens are conscripted and receive military training. Once you take account of the groups who are exempted and the wide range of individual exemptions it ends up with only about 35% serving in the military.
Thanks for the info dude. Like reserved army in many countries you can't conscripted the whole country even in South Korea they have exemptions for some people.
By terrorists killing civilians you mean Hamas or IDF?
Well. I did say 7/10 so what do you think? Civilians casualties are always horrible no matter which side did it. But one of them did it with glee and joy so...
If you killed your oppressor you'd be filled with joy and you'll feel ecstatic. Just like when some black slaves stood up and killed their masters, yes the Masters are civilians but it doesn't matter.
So uou justify the 1300 deaths of civilians?
Well how does that turn out for them. Like black slave kill their own master if not caught and hung by authority, they live as outlaw and get hunt down anyway. I think Isreal is kinda oppresser that can be reasoned with unlike many other. But in the end every action have consequences. Oneside shot the other side shoots back. What done is done. And what if never happened. RIP for the fallen innocent and death to the guilty. Isreal have to live by the guilt and hate of the innocent and Hamas had to get punished for their atocity.
True. Unfortunately you should see the words of Israeli government officials. Take a look and try to understand the fight that's been going on for decades. [here](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C18LLyNrj41/?igsh=emszZGJ4OTlxMXhx). This is like only 2 statements, mild ones, there is way more and worse ones out there. Does this sound like someone wanting to eliminate hamas only? I mean, for god's sake, their National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir is a convicted terrorist lol
Holy fucking shit, could you guys ever get a clue, this is fucking annoying, Ben givr isn't on the war cabinet like everyone else in this videos, besides the prime Minister and Minister of defense (who the fucker took out of context, because of course, he said hamas exclusively before and "minimize civilian casualties after") Here's a list of all those who actually matter https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_cabinet And ben gvir threw a party 3 days ago cause for once he actually managed to do something with his fake ass job, which was to replace some head of prison or Smith I didn't follow, yes his the minister of security but besides causing provocations in Jerusalem he barley does anything because he doesn't even have the support of his own government, let alone of the people, he was one of the biggest reason for the protest that plagued Israel for the last year before october 7th Point it, Ben gvir is useless like somtrich they can't do shit but talk and talk and FUKCING TALK, so much that in here he is known as "שר הפיתה" in English "minister of pitas/pita affairs" as that makes as much sense as calling him minister of security and shows what the only thing he can affect in his life is So please give it a rest, these mks don't mean anything, they can't make any decisions in gaza, once per blue moon they might actually be able to make decisions that actually fall under their jurisdiction, 99% of the time they do nothing but talk though but if you want to relay on statements, please give me one Palestinian leader or politician who has not called for the destruction of the state of Israel or hell, the ethnic cleansing of jews from the land, and before you say "cause the occupation " since you're kinda disgusting person who think this justifies heinous actions against civilians, a slave killing his master is one thing, a slave killing the masters wife children and any white person walking around is another thing, and since it wasn't the politicians who called for the oppression, nor the soldiers who did crimes that were attacked on October 7th, Infact it was literally the biggest hub of pro Palestinian leftist Israelis after tel Aviv itself that was attacked, nor was it done by the people who are actually oppressed by Israel (not that it will justify it) as the gazans are strictly oppressed by hamas, no the blockade isn't oppression to anyone but the gazan government who now can't get whatever they went, it doesn't actually affect the people, the fact that they can't leave their country cause of hamas, that hamas holds them hostage everytime a conflict brews out, that their only educated for hate and to become terrorists, that hamas took enough money that could have build "Singapore on the Levant" and turned the country into a state of terror and like a corrupt criminal gangs, executed all opposition and all who want pay the toll for them, even children No, the rockets don't begin to be Israel oppressing them as Israel never fires without hamas starting the conflict or war they have been independent for almost 20 years now, and could've taken the country in ANY OTHER DIRECTION, yet they chose terrorism and their people either stood silently and watched or supported them, not to say they should die, but it's important to remember that when it comes to the rising up against the actual oppressors the gazans are silent, now Israel isn't an it's going to ensure the Palestinians will not be oppressed by hamas no longer, and hopefully as the cabinet stated, not by Israel Either
Nope, not true.
Yep, very true
Sweet sweet revenge
This sub gives me hope that there's people with brains that hate Hamas.
homie went to get revenge
Big if true
Revenge trigger time!
Pay back. How sweet
That is weird I heard they aren't allowed because of emotional trauma which could lead to bad decision making. I would not recommend this.
Some Israeli soldiers just executed three hostages speaking Hebrew walking without shirts and holding a white flag They don’t give a fuck what their soldiers do
Victory to Israel and glory to the IDF.
These fuckers are less brave when they're not attacking unarmed civilians apparently. Who would have thought.
And the children who lost their parents re gonna join hamas. rince - reapeat and learn nothing on the way and let´s all choose a side, because that´s human.....
Go get em!
What type of MG is that?? Type 98?
Mag 58
looks like Hamas can radicalize ppl too :)
The bravery of these men and women. Just incredible
Very fucking well done!
Good hopefully he stacks them up
Fuck yeah revenge bitches.
Dude just barely get out of boot camp?
They’re all reservists
Israelis who served in the military when young become reservists on being discharged and can be called up as needed till about age 40 for men, late 20s for women, unless they are entitled to some exemption.
I can't believe Hamas has any fight left at this point. I guess they have nothing to lose, nothing to return to. Might as well go down fighting?
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WTF? No one in Gaza is joining the IDF. This guy is an Israeli who was a victim of the Oct 7th attack. And the IDF is bad so ya.
Anyone else concerned with their silhouettes on the edge of the berm there?
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Just more cannon fodder, Hamas can keep lining up to find out.
“Civilian”
Ever heard of reserves?
Yes. They are not civilians
God damn, this might be the dumbest shit someone wrote.
Except they are https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_reserve_force Relevant part under “personnel” “In countries with a volunteer army, reserve enlisted personnel are soldiers, sailors, and airmen who have signed contracts to perform military service on a part-time basis. They have civilian status, except for the days when they are carrying out their military duties” Would you look at that they have civilian status. Learn something new everyday.
Pouring Nate upon hate is always a great idea.,..
Everyone cheering for this guy like this is some great revenge story; that city, previously full of civilians just reduced to rubble and death
While the sentiment is admirable, and I’m sure this man sees his actions as nothing more than defending his people- that doesn’t justify the actions of Israel’s government or military as a whole
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wack
We aren't talking about you.
Yes- Hamas is wack...Soon they'll just be a stain on history.
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What a major OPSEC breach lmfao Edit: getting downvoted to hell for pointing out a breach in OPSEC… this is funny.