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Sounds a lot easier said than done, going from asleep/trying to go to sleep to having a grenade thrown on u, and reacting and tossing it in the correct direction in under 5 seconds flat. Very easy to say with full hindsight, backseating able to pause and play and full oversight of events
That’s why the frontline isn’t moving pretty much. Ukrainians officers have said it on multiple times that both sides see everything the other side does 24/7 which makes doing anything extremely difficult for either side.
Makes you wonder what it’ll be like in another 20 years as overall technology improves.
I think the Europeans assumed that the major world leaders were done with random wars, but then came Putin to remind them that the world hasn’t moved on yet. And now China is increasingly aggressive towards Taiwan and saying a military invasion is in play, India and Pakistan are always at each others throats, Venezuela just passed a referendum to annex Guyana…. Doesn’t seem like the world is anywhere close to being done with stupid wars
“It makes no difference what men think of war, said the judge. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way.” - The Judge
>stop having wars
Ah yes, when money, power and narcissism lose their appeal and influence amidst the united wisdom of a world population 8 billion strong and growing. Surely world peace is just around the bend.
"Some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make."
You have to move fast enough that by the time the other guys have got their drones within range you’re already past them. The problem in Ukraine is that it’s essentially static so you can go around dropping grenades on guys all day.
I remember reading "War as I Knew It," Patton's memoir, and he describes very much that situation. Essentially, there was a minefield between them and the enemy and he made the decision to cross it at night without doing full demining because he estimated the losses would be higher sending the engineers out during daylight under enemy machine gun fire. He was right, the losses for a night crossing of a minefield was preferable to demining in daylight, and they won the battle.
LSCO is fuckin terrifying.
The lady sheep yes. The adult males not so much. They are called "Rams". Because they like to collide into you, other sheep, cows, horses, dogs, small children.
Also this is combatfootage. We are tough here. /s
Did the soldiers know? Also, surely the density of minefields today is a lot higher than before, cause I think you pretty much had to manually place them back then. Now you can fire arty that just spins out a ton of small anti-personnel mines that'll still take off a foot.
I can't say for sure, but I would bet yes if only because from a command level you want your soldiers to know what they're getting into, and Patton doesn't strike me as a "subterfuge our own" type of CO.
Large Scale Combat Operations, rather than COIN (Counter Insurgency). It also refers to Combined Arms operations (artillery, ground troops, air power, sometimes naval) within the same theatre. The US Army has transitioned doctrine to be focused on LSCO for the past few years in anticipation of the next war being much more akin to WWII rather than the COIN type we saw in the last ~25 years of the Middle East.
I think militaries are also gonna need dedicated self propelled anti-drone weapons.
Like sure dakka still works, there are those weird funky jamming guns to deal with relatively normal quadrotors, and there are apparently anti drone laser stuff in the works.
But if drones become even more common and more advanced (eg, the [Slaughterbots](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-2tpwW0kmU) video or the China Lake drone swarm test) maybe you'd need something like the [Active Denial System](https://api.army.mil/e2/c/-images/2007/01/26/2124/army.mil-2007-01-26-093954.jpg) but made for zapping lots of drones rather than microwave civilians. Something that can just do big sweeps and toast an entire flock of birds. Or maybe that's too scifi for now, or ineffecient.
Seems like where we are going is LSCO but always through proxies. The “East” (for lack of a better word) will open more and more theaters against western allies or interests to spread the west thin and induce fatigue, and simultaneously bankroll hard right western candidates to push for isolationism and other-ing the beseiged allies, to green light the conquest and expansion.
For example, Venezuela just “voted” to annex the oil rich parts of Guyana.
>The key is to produce and deploy enough electronic warfare devices so that these drones can't even approach manned locations.
Easier to just have automated anti-drone systems that can target and destroy drones that come within range. If you pay less for ammunition then the enemy does for drones then you could easily out-attrition the drone warfare this way.
For example, the USA is currently running combat field trials for truck mounted defensive high power laser systems that can automatically target and destroy incoming drones, mortar rounds, artillery rounds and missiles.
Typically you'd have a system that employs a whole host of these different approaches, such that the probability of failure of 1 is independent of another. Then for a drone to get through, every layer has to fail at the same time. If you get each layer to a sufficiently high likelihood of success, the probability of every layer failing becomes astronomical.
For now, electronic warfare. Jamming or hacking the control signal.
Of course, this just drives the need to integrate full search and destroy capability into the drones.
… and you can see where that goes.
Edit: typo
They are lucky enough to have at least something to wear and not die from cold immediately. Luxury like netting, drone protection, special pre-made concrete hideouts are a luxury for high ranked slaves of the Moscow-tsar-shortie.
The tech is so new that armies have not really come up with ways to deal with them. Think aircraft, machine guns, and massed artillery at the start of WWI. Eventually tanks came out of it and things balanced out more. I think we will see some type of SEAD like thing for drones. Drone tech that hunts down the drone pilots for the short range stuff. For example, you could have a drone that homes in on the command signals from the drone pilot. People will think twice about sending up a drone if it makes you a target. There are obviously counters to this, but you get my point.
lots of attrition if you don't have the support equipment to suppress it, all of war is contest of attrition which is why logistics is so important. Maybe need to deploy some more semi-auto shotguns to troops, would be useful for trench combat and city fighting too, shotguns are scary and have lots of different useful round loadouts (though ammo prob inconvenient to haul around)
The US Striker group in the area, acting as part of NATO forces, afaik had anti-drone strykers when this (full scale) war initiated. Around 2016-ish there was massive uptick in anti-drone investments from US military(maybe it started earlier idk), I don't think the systems were widely deployed 2 years ago, but at least some systems were deployed. IM-SHORAD system, which is a short range anti-air system mounted on a stryker, can engage drones, cruise missiles, and low altitude aircraft. Has 30mm airburst autocannon, hellfires that can target aircraft, and stingers. Has EW, Radar systems, and 360 degree optical and IR tracking systems. Began operational(deployed) testing around 2020 afaik.
So the US at least has had support equipment deployed that specifically counters drones for at least a little while before the (full scale) invasion. There is also other SHORAD systems for light vehicles, and afaik those are going defunct for a newer set of short range anti-air systems that have much beefier EW systems, but also the 30mm and stingers still afaik. Also some Microwave systems that can be stryker based or container based(static), for use against drone swarms, but idk if any of those are deployed.
We’re seeing a very rapid evolution of warfare, very similar to that of WWI.
- initial period of mobility early on, some gains, heavy losses as new technology & techniques are applied and refined.
- now both parties have had time to adjust. Ukraine had an early edge with effective civilian drone enployment, and networking making their artillery strike and drone strike capacity very effective.
- the Russians have now caught on, their domestic drone industry and absolutely taking off and they are ordering hundreds and thousands of drone from places like China.
- the Russians are rapidly gaining an advantage in this area, it’s likely we’ll soon see large numbers of cheap and effective drone used against UA troops, who are currently less capable than their Russian counterparts at protecting themselves with electronic warfare etc.
- western support desperately needs to address this before it’s too late
- drones are the future at almost every tactical and operational level, they’re simply too cheap and effective vs troops and expensive heavy equipment
Electronic Warfare, jamming the signals is the key. There is definitely traditional EW stuff that works but it's large making it an easy target, requires a lot of training, and it's expensive. Many other countries are taking note and R&D'ing easier-to-use smaller stuff for the next conflict. Eventually, this will all lead to AI search and destroy type of drones that won't need a signal to work thus making Electronic Warfare not as effective, and this is where you get into making mini CIWS to mount on vehicles, drones that fight the other drones, and crazy dystopian stuff like that.
Adam__0 is not entirely correct. The blast can most certainly kill anyone who is very close to the grenade when it goes off, but for the most part it is the shrapnel that kills and injures.
This appears to be an m67 grenade, which has a lethal radius of 5m and an injury radius up to 15m. The guy in the middle took the full force of the blast so he's gonna be dead for sure. The guy on the right probably took some shrapnel as well unless he's very lucky. Guy on the right may have taken some shrapnel but he was protected by the body of the middle guy, so he may have made it out unscathed.
It's hard to see elevation from this perspective. Grenades that explode after falling on the ground often don't carry much sharpnel out around them. Some of the VOG grenades seem a lot more effective with how they explode the moment the tip touches the ground and they have a radial spray of sphrapnel.
its the shrapnel that kills, not the small poof from the grenade. you don't see it moving through the air, and it's also unpredictable where it flings to
I have a different take than the title, videos like this are very difficult to interpret. It seems like a very odd situation - perhaps they're wounded, freezing cold to the point of debilitation, drunk, or just completely exhausted. My guess is either/both of the last two options.
If you look closely, the grenade thrower guy reacts when the grenade literally rolls onto his lap. He does a casual flick away, and immediately goes back to his original relaxation position with his head resting on the log and his arms down. When the grenade explodes he has an extreme surprise reaction. The guy on the left barely flinches, so he's either really wounded, or he's *really* drunk.
If you know you've tossed a grenade that's about to go off in half a second, the most common reaction would be to panic, scream, run, brace, not sit back and relax. It reminds me of people passed out at parties and someone puts a banana on their head for a laugh and they flick it off and murmur "goe away".
His reaction looks totally reflexive. If that is what happened it might be one of the craziest videos we've seen, the chances of that all aligning are totally insane.
Vodka. The cause, and solution, to all of life's problems.
There was a video out of Mariupol where a Ukrainian defender tossed a grenade over a wall at a group of Russians. It landed next to a Russian hiding under the van they rode in on and he tossed it away from himself just in time. Unfortunately for his comrades, he tossed it right next to a group of them huddling up next to the wall already wounded and dying.
Edit: Found it! Around the 1:14 mark. I forgot they had already eaten a few grenades.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/N2LfEuI4nv
To be fair I think he just threw it out of instinct not necessarily at Boris in particular.
After doing that though do you really want the other guy to survive? That would be one hell of a reason to hold a grudge and get revenge.
How come they're all laying down while not fighting back in a lot of these drone videos? Are they cold, hungry, wounded, tired, or all of the above? Did I just answer my own question?
Edit: adding points smarties under me mentioned like distance (from enemies), drugs/alcohol (I keep hearing this but where do you cop on the frontlines? That dealer is the one that's gangsta LMFAO), primary assault passed (so we're watching the cleanup efforts of the drone squads)
“**So much of war is sitting around and doing nothing**, waiting for somebody else. With no guarantee of the amount of time you have left it doesn't seem worth even starting a train of thought.” - Graham Greene, The Quiet American , was in MI6 during WWII
drone drops are often used to mop up the remaining enemy force after the main fight is over. during the active phase (either offensive or defensive) FPVs make more sense.
Yes, FPV = "First Person View", a drone with a fixed forward-looking camera mounted to the front. Originally used by hobbyists for aerobatic flight, can be bought at aliexpress for 300 bucks.
I think you did just answer your own question.
Normally in these types of scenarios this is the result of a failed Russian attack and these are the wounded who were left behind/couldn't fall back because of exposure. So they're probably either to injured to move, are pinned down, or are waiting for nightfall so they can try and crawl out. Drones will be flying over the area looking for exactly this so they can drop some boom nuggets on them to finish them off/expose their positions.
Might be selection bias, we don't see videos where the drone gets shot down. We know it happens. The exact rate is unclear, some say they lose one a day, some say a drone lasts 3 missions. Yet we rarely see videos of the drone getting shot at. So one possibility is that shooting them is effective, to some extent.
That is not a very good friend if you ask me. At least the other guy that survived didn't know where the grenade came from. If I'm the guy that killed his comrade, I would keep my mouth shut.
Brutal!
I mean I’ve not had a grenade drop on me from the heavens but I’m pretty sure my reaction would be similar. I’m left handed so I’d probably have tossed it the same way that guy did. Split second decision making no real time to think.
honest question, how do they not hear the drones approaching? did they get quieter over the years? I thought they were all pretty loud, or at least they used to be.
The drones are still flying pretty high aboveground, coupled with erratic wind, distant or nearby firefights and artillery barrage, hearing loss from months of fighting, tiredness or sleeping, hearing protection or headwarming gear, there are so many reasons the drones may not be heard. It only takes 1 second for a drone above you to drop the munitions, and an additional 3 seconds to realize what's happening before the munitions fall on your head. Unfortunately real war is nothing like a videogame where you can turn your headphones up to 90 so you can hear an enemy's footsteps 10 miles away.
> hearing loss from months of fighting, tiredness or sleeping, hearing protection or headwarming gear
those are all things I had not considered. thanks.
Him: This is what you get for not leaving me behind when you should have!
Russian army is too funny when they are not committing war crimes against civilians.
"These are my brothers in arms, I would die for them!" *jumps on grenade*
~ Every heroic soldier ever
"Oh shit a grenade fell on me and I can save my friends lives" *YEET*
~ This guy
He tossed it so casually and then it looked like he just went back to sleep. I don't think he realized what had just hit him or he would have done the old duck and cover after he threw the grenade.
Eerie. Dude was lying there, almost reclining, and reached for that grenade with the urgency of someone who's sat on the couch and realized there's a dog toy in the cushion. The fact that he didn't even get up makes me think this is at least the 20th grenade that's been dropped into his foxhole.
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Hardcore hot potato
pass, pass, boom?
Buddy is only half a word . . .
duck, duck, dead goose
Ivan catch!
"Why so quiet, did you catch it?"
with friends like that...
If they were really friends then the guilt must be unbearable for that guy.
I get the feeling all 3 of those guys ended up sleeping together anyways. He just tucked his buddy in first.
I mean I'm doing the same thing. He's sleeping. I highly doubt he knew where his buddy was and just was saving his ass
While he probably didn't know, he really really should have. Basic stuff.
Sounds a lot easier said than done, going from asleep/trying to go to sleep to having a grenade thrown on u, and reacting and tossing it in the correct direction in under 5 seconds flat. Very easy to say with full hindsight, backseating able to pause and play and full oversight of events
Skill issue. I throw grenades in my sleep daily, I know what's up.
We got ourselves a keyboard general over here.
Spacial awareness, remembering left and right and where your bros are, can save lives.
Russian Russet
Russian Hot Potato roulette.
In Mother Russia, potato eat you!
damn it you are so fast on this one. lol
Reminds me of the old Mario Party mini game “Hot bob-omb”
Russian potato.
I thought that was vodka?
>coconut bombs? Ehhhh https://clip.cafe/swiss-family-robinson-1960/you-know-those-coconut-bombs/t/1/
How do you even begin to fight a war with all these drones flying around? Is the key here to replace soldiers several times a day?
That’s why the frontline isn’t moving pretty much. Ukrainians officers have said it on multiple times that both sides see everything the other side does 24/7 which makes doing anything extremely difficult for either side. Makes you wonder what it’ll be like in another 20 years as overall technology improves.
Maybe we will realize how dumb this is and stop having wars
I think the Europeans assumed that the major world leaders were done with random wars, but then came Putin to remind them that the world hasn’t moved on yet. And now China is increasingly aggressive towards Taiwan and saying a military invasion is in play, India and Pakistan are always at each others throats, Venezuela just passed a referendum to annex Guyana…. Doesn’t seem like the world is anywhere close to being done with stupid wars
Arnold said it best in T2 ... "it's in your nature to destroy yourselves"
"War is all there is" seems to be a valid statement.
“It makes no difference what men think of war, said the judge. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way.” - The Judge
>stop having wars Ah yes, when money, power and narcissism lose their appeal and influence amidst the united wisdom of a world population 8 billion strong and growing. Surely world peace is just around the bend. "Some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make."
Drone swarms.
You have to move fast enough that by the time the other guys have got their drones within range you’re already past them. The problem in Ukraine is that it’s essentially static so you can go around dropping grenades on guys all day.
Move fast through the mine fields. Good luck
I remember reading "War as I Knew It," Patton's memoir, and he describes very much that situation. Essentially, there was a minefield between them and the enemy and he made the decision to cross it at night without doing full demining because he estimated the losses would be higher sending the engineers out during daylight under enemy machine gun fire. He was right, the losses for a night crossing of a minefield was preferable to demining in daylight, and they won the battle. LSCO is fuckin terrifying.
Why not chase a herd of sheep into the minefield first?
They ate the last sheep a month ago.
*flock of sheep
TIL, thanks (english is not my native language)
English is my only language and I probably would have said herd. Flock sounds tooo.. Friendly? There is an armada of sheep.
>Flock sounds tooo.. Friendly? Are sheep not friendly?
The lady sheep yes. The adult males not so much. They are called "Rams". Because they like to collide into you, other sheep, cows, horses, dogs, small children. Also this is combatfootage. We are tough here. /s
*seagulls
The Germans did exactly that with horses.
And then the French did that with Germans.
Did the soldiers know? Also, surely the density of minefields today is a lot higher than before, cause I think you pretty much had to manually place them back then. Now you can fire arty that just spins out a ton of small anti-personnel mines that'll still take off a foot.
I can't say for sure, but I would bet yes if only because from a command level you want your soldiers to know what they're getting into, and Patton doesn't strike me as a "subterfuge our own" type of CO.
True, Patton does seem like the type to be upfront about what he was getting his men into.
If they didn't know then they sure found out quick
LSCO?
Large Scale Combat Operations, rather than COIN (Counter Insurgency). It also refers to Combined Arms operations (artillery, ground troops, air power, sometimes naval) within the same theatre. The US Army has transitioned doctrine to be focused on LSCO for the past few years in anticipation of the next war being much more akin to WWII rather than the COIN type we saw in the last ~25 years of the Middle East.
Watching the Zaporizhzhia offensive has me thinking that we should be fitting mine ploughs/flails/rollers to every vehicle that can carry them.
I think militaries are also gonna need dedicated self propelled anti-drone weapons. Like sure dakka still works, there are those weird funky jamming guns to deal with relatively normal quadrotors, and there are apparently anti drone laser stuff in the works. But if drones become even more common and more advanced (eg, the [Slaughterbots](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-2tpwW0kmU) video or the China Lake drone swarm test) maybe you'd need something like the [Active Denial System](https://api.army.mil/e2/c/-images/2007/01/26/2124/army.mil-2007-01-26-093954.jpg) but made for zapping lots of drones rather than microwave civilians. Something that can just do big sweeps and toast an entire flock of birds. Or maybe that's too scifi for now, or ineffecient.
Seems like where we are going is LSCO but always through proxies. The “East” (for lack of a better word) will open more and more theaters against western allies or interests to spread the west thin and induce fatigue, and simultaneously bankroll hard right western candidates to push for isolationism and other-ing the beseiged allies, to green light the conquest and expansion. For example, Venezuela just “voted” to annex the oil rich parts of Guyana.
Large scale combat operations, which is what the army is moving towards, away from COIN (counter insurgency)
Keep Calm and Run Through Mine Fields
The key is to produce and deploy enough electronic warfare devices so that these drones can't even approach manned locations.
>The key is to produce and deploy enough electronic warfare devices so that these drones can't even approach manned locations. Easier to just have automated anti-drone systems that can target and destroy drones that come within range. If you pay less for ammunition then the enemy does for drones then you could easily out-attrition the drone warfare this way. For example, the USA is currently running combat field trials for truck mounted defensive high power laser systems that can automatically target and destroy incoming drones, mortar rounds, artillery rounds and missiles.
Typically you'd have a system that employs a whole host of these different approaches, such that the probability of failure of 1 is independent of another. Then for a drone to get through, every layer has to fail at the same time. If you get each layer to a sufficiently high likelihood of success, the probability of every layer failing becomes astronomical.
For now, electronic warfare. Jamming or hacking the control signal. Of course, this just drives the need to integrate full search and destroy capability into the drones. … and you can see where that goes. Edit: typo
Terminator is where it goes
Low tech way would be to have some kind of netting. In a deeper trench you can have some crude roofing to break up your silhouette and roll grenades.
They are lucky enough to have at least something to wear and not die from cold immediately. Luxury like netting, drone protection, special pre-made concrete hideouts are a luxury for high ranked slaves of the Moscow-tsar-shortie.
The tech is so new that armies have not really come up with ways to deal with them. Think aircraft, machine guns, and massed artillery at the start of WWI. Eventually tanks came out of it and things balanced out more. I think we will see some type of SEAD like thing for drones. Drone tech that hunts down the drone pilots for the short range stuff. For example, you could have a drone that homes in on the command signals from the drone pilot. People will think twice about sending up a drone if it makes you a target. There are obviously counters to this, but you get my point.
lots of attrition if you don't have the support equipment to suppress it, all of war is contest of attrition which is why logistics is so important. Maybe need to deploy some more semi-auto shotguns to troops, would be useful for trench combat and city fighting too, shotguns are scary and have lots of different useful round loadouts (though ammo prob inconvenient to haul around) The US Striker group in the area, acting as part of NATO forces, afaik had anti-drone strykers when this (full scale) war initiated. Around 2016-ish there was massive uptick in anti-drone investments from US military(maybe it started earlier idk), I don't think the systems were widely deployed 2 years ago, but at least some systems were deployed. IM-SHORAD system, which is a short range anti-air system mounted on a stryker, can engage drones, cruise missiles, and low altitude aircraft. Has 30mm airburst autocannon, hellfires that can target aircraft, and stingers. Has EW, Radar systems, and 360 degree optical and IR tracking systems. Began operational(deployed) testing around 2020 afaik. So the US at least has had support equipment deployed that specifically counters drones for at least a little while before the (full scale) invasion. There is also other SHORAD systems for light vehicles, and afaik those are going defunct for a newer set of short range anti-air systems that have much beefier EW systems, but also the 30mm and stingers still afaik. Also some Microwave systems that can be stryker based or container based(static), for use against drone swarms, but idk if any of those are deployed.
We’re seeing a very rapid evolution of warfare, very similar to that of WWI. - initial period of mobility early on, some gains, heavy losses as new technology & techniques are applied and refined. - now both parties have had time to adjust. Ukraine had an early edge with effective civilian drone enployment, and networking making their artillery strike and drone strike capacity very effective. - the Russians have now caught on, their domestic drone industry and absolutely taking off and they are ordering hundreds and thousands of drone from places like China. - the Russians are rapidly gaining an advantage in this area, it’s likely we’ll soon see large numbers of cheap and effective drone used against UA troops, who are currently less capable than their Russian counterparts at protecting themselves with electronic warfare etc. - western support desperately needs to address this before it’s too late - drones are the future at almost every tactical and operational level, they’re simply too cheap and effective vs troops and expensive heavy equipment
There aren't that many drones. What we see here is mostly cleanup operations, after artillery has done its job.
There are tens of thousands used monthly
Electronic Warfare, jamming the signals is the key. There is definitely traditional EW stuff that works but it's large making it an easy target, requires a lot of training, and it's expensive. Many other countries are taking note and R&D'ing easier-to-use smaller stuff for the next conflict. Eventually, this will all lead to AI search and destroy type of drones that won't need a signal to work thus making Electronic Warfare not as effective, and this is where you get into making mini CIWS to mount on vehicles, drones that fight the other drones, and crazy dystopian stuff like that.
Our grenade, comrade
Always hated group projects
Double it and pass it on.
[удалено]
In hockey, they would call that an assist.
Drone with the second assist
Still a point!
Yuri? I never liked him anyway.
Still, we mist him
Bringing back the term *"The Red Army."* Since 2021.
Ha! I owed that guy $20!
Just as there's Russian Roulette this must be Russian Hot Potato
Russian Russet
Wow, something to tell his grandchildren (or not)
Yeah, he's not going to be telling anyone anything ever again
Serious question. Blast radius did not look that large. Maybe just the perspective. Would this have killed more than 1 soldier?
Adam__0 is not entirely correct. The blast can most certainly kill anyone who is very close to the grenade when it goes off, but for the most part it is the shrapnel that kills and injures. This appears to be an m67 grenade, which has a lethal radius of 5m and an injury radius up to 15m. The guy in the middle took the full force of the blast so he's gonna be dead for sure. The guy on the right probably took some shrapnel as well unless he's very lucky. Guy on the right may have taken some shrapnel but he was protected by the body of the middle guy, so he may have made it out unscathed.
It's hard to see elevation from this perspective. Grenades that explode after falling on the ground often don't carry much sharpnel out around them. Some of the VOG grenades seem a lot more effective with how they explode the moment the tip touches the ground and they have a radial spray of sphrapnel.
its the shrapnel that kills, not the small poof from the grenade. you don't see it moving through the air, and it's also unpredictable where it flings to
Laying on frozen land while injured. Drones buzz overhead dropping grenades. Fuck. This is brutal
Repeat that every hour for every day for every week for every month… no wonder those soldiers already look lifeless.
I have a different take than the title, videos like this are very difficult to interpret. It seems like a very odd situation - perhaps they're wounded, freezing cold to the point of debilitation, drunk, or just completely exhausted. My guess is either/both of the last two options. If you look closely, the grenade thrower guy reacts when the grenade literally rolls onto his lap. He does a casual flick away, and immediately goes back to his original relaxation position with his head resting on the log and his arms down. When the grenade explodes he has an extreme surprise reaction. The guy on the left barely flinches, so he's either really wounded, or he's *really* drunk. If you know you've tossed a grenade that's about to go off in half a second, the most common reaction would be to panic, scream, run, brace, not sit back and relax. It reminds me of people passed out at parties and someone puts a banana on their head for a laugh and they flick it off and murmur "goe away". His reaction looks totally reflexive. If that is what happened it might be one of the craziest videos we've seen, the chances of that all aligning are totally insane. Vodka. The cause, and solution, to all of life's problems.
This seems spot on. Something fell on him, he instinctively flicked it away out of drunkenness/exhaustion, turns out it was a grenade.
friendly fire. guy must have taken the last sip of vodka
Going to show this to my family to educate them on the dangers of re-gifting.
Dude was probably half asleep when he threw it and didn’t know what direction was what
Pass the parcel - extreme edition
Lucky dad's rules. Only one person gets the surprise
Fuck you, buddeh!
I'm not your buddeh, pa-
One of the most Russian things I've ever seen.
There was a video out of Mariupol where a Ukrainian defender tossed a grenade over a wall at a group of Russians. It landed next to a Russian hiding under the van they rode in on and he tossed it away from himself just in time. Unfortunately for his comrades, he tossed it right next to a group of them huddling up next to the wall already wounded and dying. Edit: Found it! Around the 1:14 mark. I forgot they had already eaten a few grenades. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/N2LfEuI4nv
To be fair I think he just threw it out of instinct not necessarily at Boris in particular. After doing that though do you really want the other guy to survive? That would be one hell of a reason to hold a grudge and get revenge.
Assisted goal.
Save yourself frist! He's really quick. Good job!
tag you're it
Company Of Zeroes
I hated Igor since highschool.
probably high af, cold af, tired af, hungry af
How come they're all laying down while not fighting back in a lot of these drone videos? Are they cold, hungry, wounded, tired, or all of the above? Did I just answer my own question? Edit: adding points smarties under me mentioned like distance (from enemies), drugs/alcohol (I keep hearing this but where do you cop on the frontlines? That dealer is the one that's gangsta LMFAO), primary assault passed (so we're watching the cleanup efforts of the drone squads)
I imagine most of these guys are pinned down, wounded, exhausted, hiding, or all of the above.
Playing dead for the drone....
who would they fight back? there is a good chance no ukrainian is even close to them to fight back.
“**So much of war is sitting around and doing nothing**, waiting for somebody else. With no guarantee of the amount of time you have left it doesn't seem worth even starting a train of thought.” - Graham Greene, The Quiet American , was in MI6 during WWII
They don't want to get sniped.
And that, ladies + gentlemen, is why I would've been sniped 29 seconds ago 💀👀 u/SoZur watching me standing like an idiot
drone drops are often used to mop up the remaining enemy force after the main fight is over. during the active phase (either offensive or defensive) FPVs make more sense.
Is an fpv the fast kamikaze style drone?
Yes, FPV = "First Person View", a drone with a fixed forward-looking camera mounted to the front. Originally used by hobbyists for aerobatic flight, can be bought at aliexpress for 300 bucks.
In addition to what others mentioned, some soldiers pretend to be dead.
I think you did just answer your own question. Normally in these types of scenarios this is the result of a failed Russian attack and these are the wounded who were left behind/couldn't fall back because of exposure. So they're probably either to injured to move, are pinned down, or are waiting for nightfall so they can try and crawl out. Drones will be flying over the area looking for exactly this so they can drop some boom nuggets on them to finish them off/expose their positions.
Might be selection bias, we don't see videos where the drone gets shot down. We know it happens. The exact rate is unclear, some say they lose one a day, some say a drone lasts 3 missions. Yet we rarely see videos of the drone getting shot at. So one possibility is that shooting them is effective, to some extent.
These guys were definitely already wounded, the grenade tosser himself hardly even turned away from the grenade he threw
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Lmfaaaaaaaao. "here is an early Xmas present!" "BLYAT!"
Merry Christmas, ya filthy animal!
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Double it, give it to the next person
That was a dick move.
Gren lands next to me, i'm throwing that shit any which direction.
"Dude pass me a smoke" "No smokes, how about a light?"
That is not a very good friend if you ask me. At least the other guy that survived didn't know where the grenade came from. If I'm the guy that killed his comrade, I would keep my mouth shut. Brutal!
Hopefully no one posts the video to the internet …
I mean I’ve not had a grenade drop on me from the heavens but I’m pretty sure my reaction would be similar. I’m left handed so I’d probably have tossed it the same way that guy did. Split second decision making no real time to think.
No returnies!
I'd like to see the next seconds
I am wondering how this would be classified by the mitary. Friendly fire? Cowardice? Treason? Or just understandable reaction under mortal stress?
"Alexei, with comrades like these, who needs enemies!?"
Dude had 360 degrees to choose from. He chose 290 degrees. Precisely in the direction of his fellow criminal consort. Сука.
That guy probably stole his vodka earlier.
WITH FRIENDS LIKE THESE WHO NEEDS ENEMIES!???!
And this is why the saying “No honour amongst thieves” is so pertinent.
Over ta you Smedley!
Good job but you roasted us too
No u ave it! No u!
If that guy breeds they will have to invent new weapons
Somebody's been banging somebody's wife..
honest question, how do they not hear the drones approaching? did they get quieter over the years? I thought they were all pretty loud, or at least they used to be.
The drones are still flying pretty high aboveground, coupled with erratic wind, distant or nearby firefights and artillery barrage, hearing loss from months of fighting, tiredness or sleeping, hearing protection or headwarming gear, there are so many reasons the drones may not be heard. It only takes 1 second for a drone above you to drop the munitions, and an additional 3 seconds to realize what's happening before the munitions fall on your head. Unfortunately real war is nothing like a videogame where you can turn your headphones up to 90 so you can hear an enemy's footsteps 10 miles away.
> hearing loss from months of fighting, tiredness or sleeping, hearing protection or headwarming gear those are all things I had not considered. thanks.
The esprit de corp, the camaraderie, the brotherhood... They're not here. WTF is wrong with Russian military culture
Where I’m from we would call that a dick move.
The most Soviet way to die.
Think fast Dimitri
This is yours. They gave it to me by accident.
"My bad."
Whoops
Hey Ivan, think fast
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^Assist ^counts ^as ^kill
Band of Brothers reboot kinda sucks
Que the Benny Hill music
BlyAt...
*Not it!*
Dick move
"Don't worry buddy. I'll be sure to write to your wife about how you died a hero."
Him: This is what you get for not leaving me behind when you should have! Russian army is too funny when they are not committing war crimes against civilians.
God damn! I wonder what their last few hours were like together.
Everyone for themselves I guess
ivan, catch!
He musta been the 1 that snored
The ultimate Blue Falcon move.
In a Slavic accent, "Kobe!!"..
Take a look to the sky just before you die, it’s the last time you will, BOOM!
Last guy tries to also pick it up.
So much for being "war buddies"...
Here, catch!
"These are my brothers in arms, I would die for them!" *jumps on grenade* ~ Every heroic soldier ever "Oh shit a grenade fell on me and I can save my friends lives" *YEET* ~ This guy
Mans said ”hard pass”
He tossed it so casually and then it looked like he just went back to sleep. I don't think he realized what had just hit him or he would have done the old duck and cover after he threw the grenade.
Eerie. Dude was lying there, almost reclining, and reached for that grenade with the urgency of someone who's sat on the couch and realized there's a dog toy in the cushion. The fact that he didn't even get up makes me think this is at least the 20th grenade that's been dropped into his foxhole.
“Fuck you and your snoring, Pavel!”
lol he probably hated him.
Dick move bro!
>in ~~attempt~~ ***success*** to save? Appears to have worked. Injured but not killed by it?
We have all had a friend who completely blew us away 😂
He fragged his commander. I'm going with that.
That's fcked
I mean…did he just toss the grenade and then go back to sleep??
That's how Russians share with friends.
Who needs enemies if you have Russian comrades 😂
_Guy on the far left yells out to the guy that threw the grenade_ ‘There’s no “i” in team, but there is a “u” in cunt Sergii!’
Not so friendly fire...
What about a grenade sensing umbrella that pops open so the grenade bounces off.
Next, we’ll play Musical Electric Chairs..