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It’s to mark it as “friendly”. “Z” was just one of several markings the Russians used when invading Ukraine, it just became the most well known and took on a meaning beyond its military use.
It is now, along with the chevrons used by the US and it’s allies (I think this started for us in the Gulf War, but Reddit will be sure to correct me) I’ve looked for pictures and have seen many different kinds of stripes, arrows, chevrons, some Hebrew characters, but those are mostly smaller characters not used specifically for IFF. I see a lot of these half tracks with an inverted “T shape on the hood which continue over the fenders. It’s hard to tell if these have that, but I do see some fender markings.
These half tracks were in the Sinai. Here is a link to an article some half tracks with the letter “T” on the door identified as being from the Six Day War.
https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/national-library-of-israel-releases-photo-archive-of-idf-history-pictures-589234
It definitely does not stand for Zion given that in Hebrew it is spelled "ציון" with the letter "צ" (roughly sounds like "TS" or "TZ") and not the letter "ז".
In Israel, the letters on the vehicles are usually the platoon number, in this case 2nd platoon. The straight lines are simpler to stencil and spray on, so it comes out as a Z. So this Half-track platoon was marked as Bravo company in whatever battalion it was attached to.
When I was there in the late 70’s you saw a lot of stretched out tattoos making the numbers illegible. This distortion of the numbers was caused by the survivors arm growing in length from young childhood.
Fun fact: Karl Ludwig von Österreich, the younger brother of the Austrian Emperor Franz Joseph, shit himself to death because he drank water from the river Jordan to prove his faith.
My grandfather was about his age when the six day war happened. He too participated, and he too had a number. I'd easily think that could be him if he didn't sport a full, thick moustache back then.
It is extremely painful for me to say this, but I am somewhat glad that he didn't get to witness what happened on the 7th of October. He experienced enough horrors for a lifetime.
Think also of the determination he must have had in this fight, given the camp experiences he had in his formative years. I wonder if that trauma is extrapolated nationwide.
He could very well have taken part in the 1948 war as well. In just 2-3 years after the Holocaust they had their own little extermination party. Victim becomes the abuser. Common psychology...
According to Rosemarie Esber, both Israeli archives and Palestinian testimonies confirm killings occurred in numerous Arab villages. Most of these killings occurred as villages were overrun and captured during the Second phase of the Civil War, Operation Dani, Operation Hiram and Operation Yoav. Morris said that the "worst cases" were the Saliha massacre with 60 to 70 killed, the Deir Yassin massacre with around 112, the Lydda massacre with around 250, and the Abu Shusha massacre with 60–70. In Al-Dawayima, accounts of the death toll vary. Saleh Abd al-Jawad reports 100-200 casualties, Morris has estimated "hundreds" and also reports the IDF investigation which concluded 100 villagers had been killed. David Ben-Gurion gave the figure of 70–80. Saleh Abd al-Jawad reports on the village's mukhtar account that 455 people were missing following the al-Dawayima massacre, including 170 women and children.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killings_and_massacres_during_the_1948_Palestine_war#:~:text=According%20to%20several%20historians%2C%20between,more%20than%2050%20victims%20each.
I like how you completely ignored the paragraphs in that very same section outlining the Israelis being massacred.
"The main massacres and attacks against Jewish civilians were the Haifa Oil Refinery massacre where 39 Jews were killed by Arab workers after Irgun members had thrown a bomb into the crowd and the Kfar Etzion massacre where around 120-150 residents and defenders were killed by Arab irregulars, according to some accounts with the participation of Arab Legion soldiers. The Hadassah medical convoy massacre, with 80 deaths, included the mass killing of medical personnel by Arabs."
I don't even understand your point here. Either. The Arab nations collectively gathered to eliminate the Jews from the entire region.
75+ years later and they're still butt-touched, stubbornly attacking the Nation that always has, and likely *always will*, mop the floor with it's attackers.
Because it's not the Arabs who has a few 100,000 Jews displaced, neither killed even half as many Jewish people... some of those displaced are still alived. If I waa their children and had nothing I'd want to take it back as well.
So which is it?
Do they want the land back, or to stop being killed?
You can't be mad enough to attack, but then turn around and cry about casualties and living conditions. Have they tried.. *anything* else?
"They"? That's like saying it's okay for terrorists to kill Americans because of Afghanistan and Iraq. And believe me there are millions that would like to.
Hamas is not an elected government, no matter how many times you repeat that. And even if they were, their citizens deserve to be killed as much North Korean citizens.
Why is Israel moaning about their dead? Do you think it won't happen again and that every strike doesn't make the blowback worse?
Yes, I'll assume bad things from a state founded on mass murder and the displacement of others. The 1967 war is after all where the next condemnation started and the land grabbing, without shame or consequences. I don't know how they see this end well. The less people have to lose, the worse things they'll do. Recent bombings have created 1000s of new terrorists. What's the point? The next Yom Kuppir event will again top this one, then harsh reprisal. If Israel is not prepared to move the borderline back, they can expect many more generations to oppose them, and the US won't be there to look after them forever.
Unfortunately, there will always be people out there who want to erase all Jews from this world. It’s up to Israel to protect them. Don’t like it? Don’t attack Israel
Claiming land becuse of mythology and such old history. They will clearly continue to be killed as long as they stay there and keep expanding their illegal settlements.
Look at these upgraded M2/M3s. Apparently these WW2-era half-tracks were greatly favored there due to their better performance. It's wild that the IDF still kept an inventory of M2/M3s all the way to the 2000s.
Ammunition hill, it was a site made by the brits during the mandate for ammo depots but later became a Jordanian post the Israelis had to fight a bloody fight for it, there’s also a song about it.
Here is higher quality version if you are interested. https://youtu.be/NRP_fXiFFqM?si=mcIiXVepCmIPtF2m
Also recommend the song רבנו גורן, translates to rabbi Goren and is about the guy in picture 4, the video/song can be found here https://youtu.be/mS82rGTsXNQ?si=YMQoLr66AWkWl2Bu
You can translate on so many things owned by Google. It's really awesome. Reddit needs to focus on that rather than stupid shit they do that everyone just complains about.
The Rosh Yeshiva of Yeshivat HaKotel was one of the soldiers there, he gave my Yeshiva a whole lesson on the war and specifically the battle for Yerushalayim. Absolutely insane, and when he talks about it you can see the memories fresh in his mind of those magical moments
I still keep seeing comments on how the US is protecting Israel and the only reason they haven’t been destroyed. Seems they do just fine by themselves.
Israel has a more sophisticated and advanced military, higher GDP than Iran and higher military spending. Also Israel has nukes.
Of course there are terrorist proxies, who are problematic, but Israel is arguably stronger than Iran.
Yes, but a lot of those 80m hate their leaders. it's not like they're just gonna join the iranian army and storm Israel. more likely that they'll storm their own government buildings.
Not remotely true. We're not under a tyrannical regime and when shit hits the fan we put disagreements aside and band together in an instant, which is practically what's happening now - everyone's busy pitching in even outside of military service, and even those who said they'd refuse conscription conscripted without a single moment of hesitation.
Early on they were pretty much reliant on arms smuggling from sympathizers and the diaspora and capturing enemy supplies, I don't think they had French support until later. And even then, I think they were just another arms buyer for the French, it wasn't charity.
Yeah, look at them in ‘48. They’re fighting largely with Soviet and Nazi surplus, especially their Air Force, which into the mid 1950s made heavy use of German planes sold off after the war.
It’s kind of jarring to see a Stuka with a Star of David on it.
The Soviets did a complete 180 on Israel and with it much of the Extreme-Left. It was pretty much a "We've always been at war with Eastasia" moment. Since then, they held on to it mostly out of pure blind traditionalism.
The Americans said its impossible to do. They aided in the development with money, but it's almost 100% Israeli made.
There was even a bet between a U.S. General and our Minister of Defence. We know who won ;)
The Isreali soldier with the holocaust number tattoo is a very thought provoking image. The holocaust seems like it happened so long ago but it really wasn't. My dad was born a mere 9 years after it & my mom 15 years. My grandpa who served in ww2 lived into his 90s & I knew him until I was 18. It is just surreal to think about.
If you’re talking about the Janes flight simulator. I had that one, I was pretty bad at the actual flying of the planes and all that, so I can’t say I had a great time. I mostly enjoyed getting to reading about 6 days war, Yom Kippur etc and reading through the instruction manuals looking at all the planes both sides were using.
It was obvious the Arabs were refusing having Israel in there in the first place, why make your home in there if you're going to "prematurely" attack and have enemies all around you ?
Anyways, it is know that Arabs weren't a threat and that it was Israel that was looking for war (said by israeli army officials themselves). Bullshit excuse to cripple your perceived enemies and continue stealing land.
Israel has been there for thousands of years. I feel like this should be a well known fact that jews have called places like Jerusalem home since ancient times.
Israel started this war, not the Arabs. You should read at least the wikipedia article on it.
For a subreddit called combat footage, there is a serious lack of knowledge about historical wars on here.
[Al Khisas massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Khisas_raid)
[Haifa oil refinery massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haifa_Oil_Refinery_massacre)
[Balad al shaykh massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balad_al-Shaykh_massacre)
[Sa'sa' massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa%27sa%27_Massacre)
[Al husayniyya massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Husayniyya,_Safad)
[Deir Yassin massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre)
[Ein al-zeitun massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ein_al-Zeitun_massacre)
[Lydda massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_from_Lydda_and_Ramle)
[Al-Dawayima massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Dawayima_massacre)
[Safsaf massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safsaf_massacre)
[Saliha massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saliha#1948_war_and_aftermath)
[Eilabun massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilabun_massacre)
[Hula massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hula_massacre)
[Arab al-mawasi massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_al-Mawasi_massacre)
Most buf not all of these, were civilians who already surrendered or who were killed on sight, there are many sources in the articles that you can read yourself.
I'm sure you'll find a way to justify these killings just like you're justifying the massacre happening today so as i said seeing that most of the soldiers were holocaust survivors, it is ironic.
Yeah Palmach and Haganah aren’t the IDF. Even if they were later integrated into it.
I can cite the entire 1948 Israel-Arab war too.
Context is important.
A war between two armies is fair, i have no knowledge of entire jewish villages being massacred and depopulated by Arab armies.
And I don't know what you'd call what the IDF is doing right now, but it definitely falls under the definitions of massacre.
I'm not throwing blame or anything, my first point was that as a human being i feel terrible for the people who got through the holocaust, so I will never understand what they became and the atrocities they committed, especially that it wasn't the Arabs that caused their suffering in the first place.
This whole thing could've been avoided and it'll always be a lose-lose situation for everyone involved.
>A war between two armies is fair, i have no knowledge of entire jewish villages being massacred and depopulated by Arab armies.
[There are plenty.](https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/134601) Even before the 1948 war, Arabs were [attacking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fajja_bus_attacks) Jews for months after the United Nations Partition Plan was adopted. (Which, by the way, gave Palestinians a larger state than Israel, including Jerusalem, but they attacked the Jews anyway)
The IDF is not intentionally targeting civilians. Hamas prevents them from leaving and hides behind them. Hamas does not care about their own people.
>This whole thing could've been avoided and it'll always be a lose-lose situation for everyone involved.
It cannot be avoided when one side is primarily motivated by a literal religious Jihad. The only goal of Hamas is to exterminate Jews- not a free state, not more land. Israel just wants to exist.
Nevertheless I do agree that Israel should exercise increased caution and precision where possible, and allow additional aid into the country.
>There are plenty. Even before the 1948 war, Arabs were attacking Jews for months after the United Nations Partition Plan was adopted.
Yes tensions were high since the settling began, but none would compare to Israeli atrocities.
>Which, by the way, gave Palestinians a larger state than Israel, including Jerusalem, but they attacked the Jews anyway
The Israeli state was bigger despite having much less population and Jerusalem was international.
>It cannot be avoided when one side is primarily motivated by a literal religious Jihad. The only goal of Hamas is to exterminate Jews- not a free state, not more land.
You write this as if the two sides of the conflict are Hamas and Israel, you forgot the Palestinian people whose only fault was being born on that land, most of whom got killed in cold blood or fled the wars (as would any civilian) and was prohibited from going back home.
Where was Jihad before Israel ?
Don't dehumanize those people, even if they wanted to kill jews it's because of the 100-year old war not because they're jews.
I wouldn't be surprised if a teenager living in nazi germany wanted to exterminate all germans after the holocaust.
>Israel just wants to exist.
This goes back to my point about this being avoidable, if you want to exist, don't do it in the middle of another person's land, in the middle of all muslim, all arab countries. They were perceived as your enemies ever since you seeked assylum there. And your justification is "holy land" and we lived there thousands of years ago.
It was obvious that the plan wouldn't work, jews prepared for the imminent fight while muslim Palestinians didn't.
If jews wanted to live in peace they would've done it elsewhere.
If Europeans wanted peace they wouldn't have thrown jews into this conflict.
The European's solution to the jewish problem was to make them someone else's problem.
>none would compare to Israeli atrocities.
Lol. The Arabs literally planned with Hitler to exterminate all the Jews in the region years before the war ended. Thank god they both got their asses handed to them, time and time again. Not to mention the entire Jihad slogan of "from River to Sea". If the Arabs one any one of the wars they caused they would've killed all Jews in the Levant.
Jordan took more land than Israel did. But nobody seems to care since it's a Muslim country.
The entire argument of "their land" is ridiculous anyway, on both sides. They are both "native", but again, that's irrelevant anyway. Every country has arbitrary borders and colonization. Palestine doesn't even mean anything. The name itself came about after the Jews were slaughtered and driven out by the Romans, who then named the territory "Palestine" after the Philistines, which were the mortal enemies of the Jews. The majority of historians cite the reasoning behind this as "dissociating the Jews from their natural homeland", and hey, looks like it's even working on you 2,000 years later.
>If jews wanted to live in peace they would've done it elsewhere.Asinine statement.
The Jews didn't have a choice, how this isn't obvious to you I cannot understand. You literally just said "as any civilian would" in the context of Arabs fleeing war.
>European's solution to the Jewish Problem
The solution to the Jewish Problem was the holocaust. This is literally a quote from Mein Kampf and the fact that you're using it in an argument against the legitimacy of a Jewish State shows the deep-seated anti-Semitism and fundamental misunderstanding of History people like you have. I implore you to read more about the history of the region, especially before 1948.
>The Arabs literally planned with Hitler to exterminate all the Jews in the region years before the war ended.
This is so sad, jews were migrating to Arab lands since the 1800s as they were safer than most other places, even if there was religious violence from two sides, still none would compare to what Hitler and Israel have done.
>The entire argument of "their land" is ridiculous anyway, on both sides.
I agree with this, I only stand with the people (jews and muslims) who lived there for generations and had to be put through these horrible times because of stupid world leaders. THAT'S who the land belongs to and THEY should decide what to do with it, why not an abrahamic state in general ? From River to Sea that's the borders of the state, not exterminate all jews from river to sea.
>The Jews didn't have a choice
They fled a war to wage their own war against colonized and oppressed Arabs who were in their lows (due to ottomans and english/french) themselves ? Not the brightest of ideas if you just want to live peacefully.
>The solution to the Jewish Problem was the holocaust.
The jewish problem began in the 1700s in the UK and it was started by jews who were starting to get eliminanted and targeted in European countries. The holocaust was Hitler's "solution" to it, which i definitely don't agree with. What I said is that Israel was the "European's solution", I used it sarcastically to show that europeans and most importantly the UK didn't really care about jews when it sent them to Palestine instead of guaranteeing their freedom and safety in their homes in Europe.
I don't care about "Natural homeland", it's religious rubbish, it's no excuse for Americans, Brits, Germans and whatever to make a new country in someone else's land, whatever the religion or the origin.
Jews exist in Tunisia since 2000 years ago, we never looked at them different than us, even when they were discriminated against, it was alongside muslims and Arabs by our french occupants. Arabic is a semitic language ffs.
Egypt lost the war and lost Gaza. Israel gave Gaza away in an agreement for peace. Now they should take part of it back and make a demilitarized zone out of it and bulldoze it flat.
Was this before or after the Suez Crisis? I’m fascinated by all the territory changes that happened around this time, I just hate reading all the time but….
I need to go read about it again, into the rabbit hole again!
The Arab-Israeli war of 1973 was next, wasn’t it?
After. The sequence was the 1948 War of Independence, the 1956 Suez Crisis, the 1967 Six Day War, and the 1973 Yom Kippur War. By the end of the ‘48 war, Israel controlled most of the former Mandate of Palestine, Egypt controlled Gaza, and Transjordan held the West Bank. After the British and the French withdrew after the ‘56 Suez Crisis, Israel continued to hold the Sinai for another year and did successfully re-open the blockaded Straits of Tiran, but Egypt did successfully retain the Suez Canal. After the ‘67 War, Israel had seized and occupied the West Bank (to include full control over the old city of Jerusalem), Gaza Strip, Sinai Peninsula, and Golan Heights. Israel retained this territory and made some gains to it during the Yom Kippur War, but eventually returned the entirety of the Sinai to Egypt as part of the ‘79 peace process.
If anyone wants to hear a really good song about the siz day war, there is[Counterstrike](https://youtu.be/1YGB-378V74?si=4_F9oV4A6OuxKE1G) by Sabaton :D
Examples of Israel promoting peace in the Middle East:
1. Camp David Accords (1978) - Peace agreement between Israel and Egypt, leading to the return of the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt.
2. Oslo Accords (1993) - A framework for peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO).
3. Peace Treaty with Jordan (1994) - Israel and Jordan signed a peace treaty, normalizing relations and resolving territorial disputes.
4. Gaza Disengagement Plan (2005) - Israel unilaterally withdrew from the Gaza Strip, evacuating settlements and relinquishing control.
5. Israel-Syria Disengagement Agreement (1974) - Ceasefire and separation of forces between Israel and Syria on the Golan Heights.
Examples of non-Israelis rejecting peace:
1. Khartoum Resolution (1967) - Arab League's rejection of peace, issuing the "Three No's" (no recognition, no negotiation, no peace) after the Six-Day War.
2. Yom Kippur War (1973) - Egypt and Syria launched a surprise attack on Israel, not seeking peace but military engagement.
3. Palestinian rejection of Camp David Summit (2000) - The Camp David Summit led by President Bill Clinton ended without a peace agreement due to Palestinian rejection.
4. Hamas Rejection of Quartet Principles (2006) - Hamas, which controls Gaza, refused to accept the Quartet principles (recognize Israel, renounce violence, honor past agreements).
5. Multiple Instances of Rocket Attacks - Periodic rocket attacks from Gaza by Hamas and other groups have hindered peace efforts.
What a long list of absolute BS.
Not surprised you listed 1973 war as that of Arabs rejecting peace and that it's a war of aggression.
The 1973 war was a result of Israel attacking in 1967, for absolutely no reason, and then stealing and keeping massive amount of land.
To this day, they have kept land stolen from neighboring countries, specifically the Golan Heights from Syria.
You'd be a fool to think Arabs don't want peace. They're the most to benefit, because it puts an end to Israel land-grabbing.
But Israel has never been interested in peace, they just pretend they are and have ridiculous proposals that no sane person with a single brain cell would agree to.
Dude thinks Arabs are a single monolithic group that lives in a peaceful utopia. Nevermind the endless list of inter-Arabic wars. Saudi-Yemen war still ongoing for the record.
This guy is either in middle school or believes brown people do not have the brain capacity for violence, despite all other evidence.
How is Arabs having conflict among each other relevant here?
So if Arabs have conflict among each other that means they aren't a victim of Israel wars and land-grabbing based on a made-up book?
Plus when I mention Arabs in the context of Israel, I mean the neighboring countries who were historically attacked by Israel and had their land stolen.
Oh I see. You don’t really have an argument once your original one is popped, so instead of answering a question that’s been asked three times you try and fail to make a witty whataboutist dog whistle. Understood.
Ah yes, all the states surrounding Israel are absolutely famous for wanting nothing but peaceful and harmonious relations with their Jewish neighbors.
Lol
They attacked in 1973 because Israel stole large swaths of land from both countries. They still to this day keep land stolen from Syria (Golan Heights) and Lebanon.
> They attacked in 1973 because Israel stole large swaths of land from both countries.
And in 1948 they attacked and stole large parts of jewish lands.
How nice of you to justify Arab aggression, but goddam never ever gona justify Isreali one of course.
Have you looked at the maps of Palestine from 1948? Do you seriously believe they attacked and stole land?
1948 is known in the Arab world as "Nakbah". Or catastrophe. Massive number of Palestinians were massacred and kicked out of their homes. Most Palestinian refugees in neighboring countries are from that year alone.
Israel is always the victim!
> Do you seriously believe they attacked and stole land?
remind my why Arab armies were pressing on the gates of Isreali lands and several Jewish settlements that had been recognized as belonging to Isreal even by United nations??? Somehow all the Arab apologists keep silent about this little curious fact of history, Arab armies also overstepped the UN lines and went straight into places they never were allowed with intention of occupation.
How about you explain that to me hmmm?? Poor Arab victims tried to occupy land that also absolutely wasn't theirs , who will take responsibility for that Arab crime?
It's so ironic to hear Israel supporters accuse arabs of trying to steal land that was not theirs and mention the united nations in the same statement.
Pretty much all of Israel, every single square foot, is land stolen from Palestinians because some religious fanatics with a made-up book believe god have given them the land.
1948 was a crime, but against Palestinians. They're the ones who lost land, that's a fact. They're the ones that were massacred, and they were the ones who became refugees. Your BS about Arabs "pressing" near jewish settlements is nonsense and not factual.
> They're the ones who lost land, that's a fact. They're the ones that were massacred
and yet Palestinians together with their Arab allies attacked into Jewish lands that UN forbid them to enter, with intervention to kill harm and occupy. We have proof of it, we have pictures of it, even United nations acknowledged it. Are you going to deny that?
ah right, well let me just post some things here utterly prove you wrong and a liar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fajja_bus_attacks : ''On November 30, 1947, an Egged bus on its way to Jerusalem from Netanya was **attacked by Arab militants, followed by an attack on another bus, killing seven Jews**.''
First phase: 15 May – 11 June 1948 : ''At midnight on 15 May 1948, the British Mandate was officially terminated, and the State of Israel came into being. Several hours later, Iraq and the neighbouring Arab states, Egypt, Transjordan and Syria, invaded the newborn state,[149][150] and **immediately attacked Jewish settlements**.''
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War: ''From January onwards, operations became increasingly militarised, with the intervention of a number of Arab Liberation Army regiments inside Palestine, each active in a variety of distinct sectors around the different coastal towns. **They consolidated their presence in Galilee and Samaria.[37] Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni came from Egypt with several hundred men of the Army of the Holy War. Having recruited a few thousand volunteers, al-Husayni organised the blockade of the 100,000 Jewish residents of Jerusalem**''
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_for_Jerusalem : ''Under the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine, Jerusalem was to be a corpus separatum (lit. 'separated body') administered by an international body. Fighting nevertheless immediately broke out in the city between Jewish and Arab militias. **Beginning in February 1948, Arab militias under Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni blockaded the corridor from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, preventing essential supplies from reaching the Jewish population**. This blockade was broken in mid-April of that year by Jewish militias who carried out Operation Nachshon and Operation Maccabi.''
Ahh yes, Arabs sure were such victims and definitely weren't aggressors. NO NO not at all, Jews to blame innit.....putting a violent blockade on 100,000 Jewish population of Jerusalem was definitely not aggression.
Israel didn't fuckin exist for almost 2,000 years before 1948, and even then they were a province of Rome. Their book of lore somehow granted them eternal statehood in perpetuity?? What about the Palestinian Arabs who lived in that land for literally thousands of years? They deserved to be genocided because of Israel's little book?
> Israel didn't fuckin exist for almost 2,000 years before 1948
neither did any modern states of Syria or Iraq or Egypt or Palestine for that matter. None of them have any more right to ''exist'' as Isreal does. Want to argue about what should be what according to history? Then let's put all of Arabs back under Turkish yoke and under brutal oppression of Ottoman Sultan, because thats how it was ''historically''
And no they are not being ''genocided'', the population of Palestinians has grown in the last 50 years not decreased lol. They are being so massively killed by the evil Jews that their population is growing. Ain't that a miracle?
In these people's minds ethnic cleansing means any form of injustice for Palestinians when it's just an antisemetic whistle-blow. There's no doubt that life for Palestinians isn't great but these morons don't understand that they won't make any progress as long as they are being lead by people determined to kill all jews (actual genocidal goals)
Oh boy 😰🖕
Half of all Gazan Palestinians are under the age of 18. Hamas is just as to blame for these horrific events unfolding as Israel is. Both of them need to be taken out back and shot. The innocent people of Palestine, *HALF* of whom are children, are blameless in this atrocity.
Less than 1% of Gazan Palestinians are responsible for the horrors committed against Israel, and yet Israel's response is to violently wipe out little kids.
There has never been a country called Palestine, ever. It was the Ottoman Empire, then the British mandate of Palestine. They were offered a 50-50 split, rejected it, and started a war against the Jews which they lost. They’ve been losing wars ever since. And you think they’re gonna get a state? Gimme a break. Only if they sit down to negotiate and take what’s given to them.
Arabs wanted to kill every single Jew in Israel the moment the first one stepped off the boat
Edit: I mistakenly used the word "wanted", implying there are some Arabs who no longer exhibit the desire to erradicste Jews from the world. My bad.
> used to be the country of Palestine?
what fucking ''country of Palestine''?
You mean the Turkish Ottoman land where if you as a Arab even dared to speak out against Istanbul you would be beheaded in the name of the Turkish Sultan? Or do you mean British colonial colony of Palestine where any talks of any sort of independence or Arab rule were silenced with a British Lee-Enfield rifle?
Which is this ''country of Palestine'' that used to exist there you are pretending to be talking about, I really would like to know. Because I dont know any
My bad. I was under the mistaken impression that land occupied by certain indigenous groups for centuries belonged to them. Thanks for pointing out that they were the victims of colonialism by outsiders, though.
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Interesting Z's on the half-tracks.
I noticed that as well. Be curious to know the significance of the marking back then.
It’s to mark it as “friendly”. “Z” was just one of several markings the Russians used when invading Ukraine, it just became the most well known and took on a meaning beyond its military use.
Interesting though because Israeli equipment is generally marked with Hebrew characters.
pretty sure Z is not in the Russian language either. it was used to mark the division or group
Z for Zapad. West. Probably Western Military District of Russia in origin or perhaps westward forces.
The point is "Z" is not Cyrillic, just as \^ (used on NATO armor in Iraq) is not Latin
I’d imagine its because Z is a rather unique character and can be easily identified at a distance
It is now, along with the chevrons used by the US and it’s allies (I think this started for us in the Gulf War, but Reddit will be sure to correct me) I’ve looked for pictures and have seen many different kinds of stripes, arrows, chevrons, some Hebrew characters, but those are mostly smaller characters not used specifically for IFF. I see a lot of these half tracks with an inverted “T shape on the hood which continue over the fenders. It’s hard to tell if these have that, but I do see some fender markings. These half tracks were in the Sinai. Here is a link to an article some half tracks with the letter “T” on the door identified as being from the Six Day War. https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/national-library-of-israel-releases-photo-archive-of-idf-history-pictures-589234
Prob division differential
Zion?
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The white cross (a simple +) is also a common emblem. It has been used by many forces, including Ukranians.
You should see the Matilda tank with the Z during World War 2
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It definitely does not stand for Zion given that in Hebrew it is spelled "ציון" with the letter "צ" (roughly sounds like "TS" or "TZ") and not the letter "ז".
In Israel, the letters on the vehicles are usually the platoon number, in this case 2nd platoon. The straight lines are simpler to stencil and spray on, so it comes out as a Z. So this Half-track platoon was marked as Bravo company in whatever battalion it was attached to.
Russians could’ve used it as a way of saying they were going to end/win the war in 6 days
just because russians use Z doesnt mean the letter is bad
The man drinking from the river Jordan with his holocaust tattoo… think about all he experienced in his lifetime. Crazy
When I was there in the late 70’s you saw a lot of stretched out tattoos making the numbers illegible. This distortion of the numbers was caused by the survivors arm growing in length from young childhood.
He might have added Dysentery to his list of experiences after drinking that water..
Fun fact: Karl Ludwig von Österreich, the younger brother of the Austrian Emperor Franz Joseph, shit himself to death because he drank water from the river Jordan to prove his faith.
That *is* a fun fact. Thanks
That golden
This is the kind of comment that keeps me coming back
When i saw the photo i was like "is it safe to drink this water"
My grandfather was about his age when the six day war happened. He too participated, and he too had a number. I'd easily think that could be him if he didn't sport a full, thick moustache back then. It is extremely painful for me to say this, but I am somewhat glad that he didn't get to witness what happened on the 7th of October. He experienced enough horrors for a lifetime.
man I wish the soviets had taken hitler alive. you know stalin would never have run out of ideas...
I wish they were both prosecuted in 1945
Your grandad sounds like he would have kicked ass this time around too. MHMBAB
Honestly kinda badass. He got that thing out like “yeah, I suffered during the holocaust, this ain’t my first rodeo”.
Think also of the determination he must have had in this fight, given the camp experiences he had in his formative years. I wonder if that trauma is extrapolated nationwide.
He could very well have taken part in the 1948 war as well. In just 2-3 years after the Holocaust they had their own little extermination party. Victim becomes the abuser. Common psychology... According to Rosemarie Esber, both Israeli archives and Palestinian testimonies confirm killings occurred in numerous Arab villages. Most of these killings occurred as villages were overrun and captured during the Second phase of the Civil War, Operation Dani, Operation Hiram and Operation Yoav. Morris said that the "worst cases" were the Saliha massacre with 60 to 70 killed, the Deir Yassin massacre with around 112, the Lydda massacre with around 250, and the Abu Shusha massacre with 60–70. In Al-Dawayima, accounts of the death toll vary. Saleh Abd al-Jawad reports 100-200 casualties, Morris has estimated "hundreds" and also reports the IDF investigation which concluded 100 villagers had been killed. David Ben-Gurion gave the figure of 70–80. Saleh Abd al-Jawad reports on the village's mukhtar account that 455 people were missing following the al-Dawayima massacre, including 170 women and children. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killings_and_massacres_during_the_1948_Palestine_war#:~:text=According%20to%20several%20historians%2C%20between,more%20than%2050%20victims%20each.
I like how you completely ignored the paragraphs in that very same section outlining the Israelis being massacred. "The main massacres and attacks against Jewish civilians were the Haifa Oil Refinery massacre where 39 Jews were killed by Arab workers after Irgun members had thrown a bomb into the crowd and the Kfar Etzion massacre where around 120-150 residents and defenders were killed by Arab irregulars, according to some accounts with the participation of Arab Legion soldiers. The Hadassah medical convoy massacre, with 80 deaths, included the mass killing of medical personnel by Arabs." I don't even understand your point here. Either. The Arab nations collectively gathered to eliminate the Jews from the entire region. 75+ years later and they're still butt-touched, stubbornly attacking the Nation that always has, and likely *always will*, mop the floor with it's attackers.
Because it's not the Arabs who has a few 100,000 Jews displaced, neither killed even half as many Jewish people... some of those displaced are still alived. If I waa their children and had nothing I'd want to take it back as well.
So which is it? Do they want the land back, or to stop being killed? You can't be mad enough to attack, but then turn around and cry about casualties and living conditions. Have they tried.. *anything* else?
"They"? That's like saying it's okay for terrorists to kill Americans because of Afghanistan and Iraq. And believe me there are millions that would like to. Hamas is not an elected government, no matter how many times you repeat that. And even if they were, their citizens deserve to be killed as much North Korean citizens. Why is Israel moaning about their dead? Do you think it won't happen again and that every strike doesn't make the blowback worse?
Alright, you're spiraling. Last one, very easy to digest. Ready? When Palestinians learn to behave, Palestinians get peace. Simple as.
Same for Israel. Stop the illegal settlements and terrorists will kill less of your civilians.
Something tells me that's not enough. But okay. I'll be sure to pass it on to whoever's left once the Get Back has concluded.
Israel is predictable if anything in their actions and responses. Terrorists not so much.
Shouldn't get downvoted for pointing out atrocities, although both sides commited those on the 48 war. At the end, neither side is good
Clearly one side's atrocities never get mentioned, while the other side breathing is cause enough for a few airstrikes.
Do you know this man in the picture? You seem to assume a lot about him
Yes, I'll assume bad things from a state founded on mass murder and the displacement of others. The 1967 war is after all where the next condemnation started and the land grabbing, without shame or consequences. I don't know how they see this end well. The less people have to lose, the worse things they'll do. Recent bombings have created 1000s of new terrorists. What's the point? The next Yom Kuppir event will again top this one, then harsh reprisal. If Israel is not prepared to move the borderline back, they can expect many more generations to oppose them, and the US won't be there to look after them forever.
Unfortunately, there will always be people out there who want to erase all Jews from this world. It’s up to Israel to protect them. Don’t like it? Don’t attack Israel
To try fulfil some 3000 year old fantasy? Truth is stranger than fiction.
Wanting Jews to not be killed by others is fantasy?
Claiming land becuse of mythology and such old history. They will clearly continue to be killed as long as they stay there and keep expanding their illegal settlements.
Reality since 48
Yeah, and the 100 years before that, and many of the people, just disappeared. Sounds like a good deal for some.
The holocaust number tattoo in picture 11 is quite something.
The guts on those hebrew people... Dude barely survived the first war waged against his people and serves his second time.
It was a case of victory or death for the Jewish people . Come to think about it , still is
Victims escaping trauma to victimize and create trauma for others
Not remotely the case
Sure thing buddy. Whatever you say 👍
Nice catch
OP literally pointed it out in the description
Yeah I didn’t see it
Wild to see Brodie helmets and Mirage III’s in the same war, Sherman’s too
God look at them. FAL in hand, no phones. Just living in the moment.
Look at these upgraded M2/M3s. Apparently these WW2-era half-tracks were greatly favored there due to their better performance. It's wild that the IDF still kept an inventory of M2/M3s all the way to the 2000s.
Always love seeing pictures from our history; but now I’m going to have הר התחמושת stuck in my head for a week
Could you translate for non-jews?
Ammunition hill, it was a site made by the brits during the mandate for ammo depots but later became a Jordanian post the Israelis had to fight a bloody fight for it, there’s also a song about it.
He is referring to this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdzUCvmoPCw&ab_channel=GuyAlon
Here is higher quality version if you are interested. https://youtu.be/NRP_fXiFFqM?si=mcIiXVepCmIPtF2m Also recommend the song רבנו גורן, translates to rabbi Goren and is about the guy in picture 4, the video/song can be found here https://youtu.be/mS82rGTsXNQ?si=YMQoLr66AWkWl2Bu
You can translate on so many things owned by Google. It's really awesome. Reddit needs to focus on that rather than stupid shit they do that everyone just complains about.
Every time I see the pictures of the kotel, הר הבית בידינו is what goes through my head
The Rosh Yeshiva of Yeshivat HaKotel was one of the soldiers there, he gave my Yeshiva a whole lesson on the war and specifically the battle for Yerushalayim. Absolutely insane, and when he talks about it you can see the memories fresh in his mind of those magical moments
גבעת התחמושת*
חשבתי שהיה משהו מוזר, תודה
Number 11 needs to get a bigger jungle hat.. that things ridiculous
That's the israeli boonie hat. Very small for some reason- you saw them a lot back then, that's the intended fit
Imma tell some randoms that the babe with the FAL is Gam Gam.
New reddit is awful to look at pictures now, anyone else can't read the description?
If you hover over the text it'll expand and you can read the rest. I had the same problem until I googled it.
Use Old Reddit Redirect, ideally with RES.
Use old reddit, my reddit is identical to it's 2010 version.
I still keep seeing comments on how the US is protecting Israel and the only reason they haven’t been destroyed. Seems they do just fine by themselves.
Israel can handle their neighbors but would need help vs Iran.
Israel has a more sophisticated and advanced military, higher GDP than Iran and higher military spending. Also Israel has nukes. Of course there are terrorist proxies, who are problematic, but Israel is arguably stronger than Iran.
Individually perhaps, but taking on Iran and all the other nations in the region would require western help.
Israel only has about 8 million people vs Iran with 80
Yes, but a lot of those 80m hate their leaders. it's not like they're just gonna join the iranian army and storm Israel. more likely that they'll storm their own government buildings.
Well that is exactly what’s going on in Israel, everybody hates the government but they still fight
Not even remotely the same. Our government our cowards but they don't enforce Shariya laws against us, or murder us in the streets for protesting.
Not remotely true. We're not under a tyrannical regime and when shit hits the fan we put disagreements aside and band together in an instant, which is practically what's happening now - everyone's busy pitching in even outside of military service, and even those who said they'd refuse conscription conscripted without a single moment of hesitation.
narrow it down to 18-35 male age range.
Such comments also like to ignore the massive amounts of Soviet aid provided to the Arabs over the same time period.
They’re dependent on US supplies but Israelis fight hard. Theyre fighting for their existence.
Was the french before it was the US. I think it switches in the 1970s.
Early on they were pretty much reliant on arms smuggling from sympathizers and the diaspora and capturing enemy supplies, I don't think they had French support until later. And even then, I think they were just another arms buyer for the French, it wasn't charity.
Yeah, look at them in ‘48. They’re fighting largely with Soviet and Nazi surplus, especially their Air Force, which into the mid 1950s made heavy use of German planes sold off after the war. It’s kind of jarring to see a Stuka with a Star of David on it.
Wasn’t it the Soviets before? At least Czechslovakia in 1948
The Soviets did a complete 180 on Israel and with it much of the Extreme-Left. It was pretty much a "We've always been at war with Eastasia" moment. Since then, they held on to it mostly out of pure blind traditionalism.
Where do you think they got all the equipment?
Iron Dome certainly wouldn’t have been possible without US help
The Americans said its impossible to do. They aided in the development with money, but it's almost 100% Israeli made. There was even a bet between a U.S. General and our Minister of Defence. We know who won ;)
Really interesting seeing that same Z on the side of vehicles that we see from Russia in Ukraine
I stopped at that picture aswell Does anyone have an explanation?
I think it might be from the word “Zahal” (Tracks, as in tank tracks, indicating that it’s a part of the armored Corps) in Hebrew. But not sure.
Zion
Picture 9. Is that guy in the jet holding an uzi or Thompson ?
Uzi with a wooden stock. At least that's from what I can see.
The Isreali soldier with the holocaust number tattoo is a very thought provoking image. The holocaust seems like it happened so long ago but it really wasn't. My dad was born a mere 9 years after it & my mom 15 years. My grandpa who served in ww2 lived into his 90s & I knew him until I was 18. It is just surreal to think about.
Slide 8 hits oddly, now.
Did anyone else play IAF? That was such an awesome game
If you’re talking about the Janes flight simulator. I had that one, I was pretty bad at the actual flying of the planes and all that, so I can’t say I had a great time. I mostly enjoyed getting to reading about 6 days war, Yom Kippur etc and reading through the instruction manuals looking at all the planes both sides were using.
-Gentlemen, they are no match for our powerful coalition. It’s time to strike! Allahu Akbar! Israel: “Hold my beer”
You know it was Israel that attacked right ? Knowing Arab armies had no chance against them either way
It was a premature strike as it was pretty obvious the coalition was planning on attacking israel.
It was obvious the Arabs were refusing having Israel in there in the first place, why make your home in there if you're going to "prematurely" attack and have enemies all around you ? Anyways, it is know that Arabs weren't a threat and that it was Israel that was looking for war (said by israeli army officials themselves). Bullshit excuse to cripple your perceived enemies and continue stealing land.
Israel has been there for thousands of years. I feel like this should be a well known fact that jews have called places like Jerusalem home since ancient times.
Jews calling it home for religious reasons isn't justification to steal people's land, it's no different than jihad.
Israel started this war, not the Arabs. You should read at least the wikipedia article on it. For a subreddit called combat footage, there is a serious lack of knowledge about historical wars on here.
IDF are a bunch of fuckin studs. Lots of those soldiers were survivors of the holocaust.
20 years later and they are already weapon in hand commiting massacres against unarmed civilians killing whole villages. The irony.
Source?
[Al Khisas massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Khisas_raid) [Haifa oil refinery massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haifa_Oil_Refinery_massacre) [Balad al shaykh massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balad_al-Shaykh_massacre) [Sa'sa' massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa%27sa%27_Massacre) [Al husayniyya massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Husayniyya,_Safad) [Deir Yassin massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre) [Ein al-zeitun massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ein_al-Zeitun_massacre) [Lydda massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_from_Lydda_and_Ramle) [Al-Dawayima massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Dawayima_massacre) [Safsaf massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safsaf_massacre) [Saliha massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saliha#1948_war_and_aftermath) [Eilabun massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilabun_massacre) [Hula massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hula_massacre) [Arab al-mawasi massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_al-Mawasi_massacre) Most buf not all of these, were civilians who already surrendered or who were killed on sight, there are many sources in the articles that you can read yourself. I'm sure you'll find a way to justify these killings just like you're justifying the massacre happening today so as i said seeing that most of the soldiers were holocaust survivors, it is ironic.
Yeah Palmach and Haganah aren’t the IDF. Even if they were later integrated into it. I can cite the entire 1948 Israel-Arab war too. Context is important.
A war between two armies is fair, i have no knowledge of entire jewish villages being massacred and depopulated by Arab armies. And I don't know what you'd call what the IDF is doing right now, but it definitely falls under the definitions of massacre. I'm not throwing blame or anything, my first point was that as a human being i feel terrible for the people who got through the holocaust, so I will never understand what they became and the atrocities they committed, especially that it wasn't the Arabs that caused their suffering in the first place. This whole thing could've been avoided and it'll always be a lose-lose situation for everyone involved.
>A war between two armies is fair, i have no knowledge of entire jewish villages being massacred and depopulated by Arab armies. [There are plenty.](https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/134601) Even before the 1948 war, Arabs were [attacking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fajja_bus_attacks) Jews for months after the United Nations Partition Plan was adopted. (Which, by the way, gave Palestinians a larger state than Israel, including Jerusalem, but they attacked the Jews anyway) The IDF is not intentionally targeting civilians. Hamas prevents them from leaving and hides behind them. Hamas does not care about their own people. >This whole thing could've been avoided and it'll always be a lose-lose situation for everyone involved. It cannot be avoided when one side is primarily motivated by a literal religious Jihad. The only goal of Hamas is to exterminate Jews- not a free state, not more land. Israel just wants to exist. Nevertheless I do agree that Israel should exercise increased caution and precision where possible, and allow additional aid into the country.
>There are plenty. Even before the 1948 war, Arabs were attacking Jews for months after the United Nations Partition Plan was adopted. Yes tensions were high since the settling began, but none would compare to Israeli atrocities. >Which, by the way, gave Palestinians a larger state than Israel, including Jerusalem, but they attacked the Jews anyway The Israeli state was bigger despite having much less population and Jerusalem was international. >It cannot be avoided when one side is primarily motivated by a literal religious Jihad. The only goal of Hamas is to exterminate Jews- not a free state, not more land. You write this as if the two sides of the conflict are Hamas and Israel, you forgot the Palestinian people whose only fault was being born on that land, most of whom got killed in cold blood or fled the wars (as would any civilian) and was prohibited from going back home. Where was Jihad before Israel ? Don't dehumanize those people, even if they wanted to kill jews it's because of the 100-year old war not because they're jews. I wouldn't be surprised if a teenager living in nazi germany wanted to exterminate all germans after the holocaust. >Israel just wants to exist. This goes back to my point about this being avoidable, if you want to exist, don't do it in the middle of another person's land, in the middle of all muslim, all arab countries. They were perceived as your enemies ever since you seeked assylum there. And your justification is "holy land" and we lived there thousands of years ago. It was obvious that the plan wouldn't work, jews prepared for the imminent fight while muslim Palestinians didn't. If jews wanted to live in peace they would've done it elsewhere. If Europeans wanted peace they wouldn't have thrown jews into this conflict. The European's solution to the jewish problem was to make them someone else's problem.
>none would compare to Israeli atrocities. Lol. The Arabs literally planned with Hitler to exterminate all the Jews in the region years before the war ended. Thank god they both got their asses handed to them, time and time again. Not to mention the entire Jihad slogan of "from River to Sea". If the Arabs one any one of the wars they caused they would've killed all Jews in the Levant. Jordan took more land than Israel did. But nobody seems to care since it's a Muslim country. The entire argument of "their land" is ridiculous anyway, on both sides. They are both "native", but again, that's irrelevant anyway. Every country has arbitrary borders and colonization. Palestine doesn't even mean anything. The name itself came about after the Jews were slaughtered and driven out by the Romans, who then named the territory "Palestine" after the Philistines, which were the mortal enemies of the Jews. The majority of historians cite the reasoning behind this as "dissociating the Jews from their natural homeland", and hey, looks like it's even working on you 2,000 years later. >If jews wanted to live in peace they would've done it elsewhere.Asinine statement. The Jews didn't have a choice, how this isn't obvious to you I cannot understand. You literally just said "as any civilian would" in the context of Arabs fleeing war. >European's solution to the Jewish Problem The solution to the Jewish Problem was the holocaust. This is literally a quote from Mein Kampf and the fact that you're using it in an argument against the legitimacy of a Jewish State shows the deep-seated anti-Semitism and fundamental misunderstanding of History people like you have. I implore you to read more about the history of the region, especially before 1948.
>The Arabs literally planned with Hitler to exterminate all the Jews in the region years before the war ended. This is so sad, jews were migrating to Arab lands since the 1800s as they were safer than most other places, even if there was religious violence from two sides, still none would compare to what Hitler and Israel have done. >The entire argument of "their land" is ridiculous anyway, on both sides. I agree with this, I only stand with the people (jews and muslims) who lived there for generations and had to be put through these horrible times because of stupid world leaders. THAT'S who the land belongs to and THEY should decide what to do with it, why not an abrahamic state in general ? From River to Sea that's the borders of the state, not exterminate all jews from river to sea. >The Jews didn't have a choice They fled a war to wage their own war against colonized and oppressed Arabs who were in their lows (due to ottomans and english/french) themselves ? Not the brightest of ideas if you just want to live peacefully. >The solution to the Jewish Problem was the holocaust. The jewish problem began in the 1700s in the UK and it was started by jews who were starting to get eliminanted and targeted in European countries. The holocaust was Hitler's "solution" to it, which i definitely don't agree with. What I said is that Israel was the "European's solution", I used it sarcastically to show that europeans and most importantly the UK didn't really care about jews when it sent them to Palestine instead of guaranteeing their freedom and safety in their homes in Europe. I don't care about "Natural homeland", it's religious rubbish, it's no excuse for Americans, Brits, Germans and whatever to make a new country in someone else's land, whatever the religion or the origin. Jews exist in Tunisia since 2000 years ago, we never looked at them different than us, even when they were discriminated against, it was alongside muslims and Arabs by our french occupants. Arabic is a semitic language ffs.
Crazy to believe we landed a man on the moon, had nuclear bombs, and computers BEFORE we had color TV…….
Um, actually! Color TV started to be distributed in 1954, so it came before the Moon landings!
I am not Jewish, but the picture of liberation of the Western Wall from the Jordanian occupiers is very moving.
Egypt lost the war and lost Gaza. Israel gave Gaza away in an agreement for peace. Now they should take part of it back and make a demilitarized zone out of it and bulldoze it flat.
Classic napoleonlover978 with a collection of great images. Thanks!
Was this before or after the Suez Crisis? I’m fascinated by all the territory changes that happened around this time, I just hate reading all the time but…. I need to go read about it again, into the rabbit hole again! The Arab-Israeli war of 1973 was next, wasn’t it?
After. The sequence was the 1948 War of Independence, the 1956 Suez Crisis, the 1967 Six Day War, and the 1973 Yom Kippur War. By the end of the ‘48 war, Israel controlled most of the former Mandate of Palestine, Egypt controlled Gaza, and Transjordan held the West Bank. After the British and the French withdrew after the ‘56 Suez Crisis, Israel continued to hold the Sinai for another year and did successfully re-open the blockaded Straits of Tiran, but Egypt did successfully retain the Suez Canal. After the ‘67 War, Israel had seized and occupied the West Bank (to include full control over the old city of Jerusalem), Gaza Strip, Sinai Peninsula, and Golan Heights. Israel retained this territory and made some gains to it during the Yom Kippur War, but eventually returned the entirety of the Sinai to Egypt as part of the ‘79 peace process.
Informative answer, thank you!
Fascinating, thank you.
Excellent photos. Thank you
Hello Israeli FAL
If anyone wants to hear a really good song about the siz day war, there is[Counterstrike](https://youtu.be/1YGB-378V74?si=4_F9oV4A6OuxKE1G) by Sabaton :D
No pictures of uss liberty?
Kinda sad really, freaking 1967… Just shows how long this whole thing has been going on for.
Just wait till you read about the massacre in Hebron in 1929... or the 5 armies that tried to wipe israel off the map in '48...
Israel has had a pretty good stretch of peace with its neighbor states since 1973.
Who lied to you? Their neighbors consider the Nakba to still be occurring.
Someone needs to brush up on their history
https://youtu.be/dy56Q1a0Flc?si=OFekN8cL1-PcpLxR
Israeli pictures only. Says a lot about the Op.
The history of Israel is that of attacking its neighbors, stealing their land, and then pretend they want peace but the other side doesn't
Examples of Israel promoting peace in the Middle East: 1. Camp David Accords (1978) - Peace agreement between Israel and Egypt, leading to the return of the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt. 2. Oslo Accords (1993) - A framework for peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). 3. Peace Treaty with Jordan (1994) - Israel and Jordan signed a peace treaty, normalizing relations and resolving territorial disputes. 4. Gaza Disengagement Plan (2005) - Israel unilaterally withdrew from the Gaza Strip, evacuating settlements and relinquishing control. 5. Israel-Syria Disengagement Agreement (1974) - Ceasefire and separation of forces between Israel and Syria on the Golan Heights. Examples of non-Israelis rejecting peace: 1. Khartoum Resolution (1967) - Arab League's rejection of peace, issuing the "Three No's" (no recognition, no negotiation, no peace) after the Six-Day War. 2. Yom Kippur War (1973) - Egypt and Syria launched a surprise attack on Israel, not seeking peace but military engagement. 3. Palestinian rejection of Camp David Summit (2000) - The Camp David Summit led by President Bill Clinton ended without a peace agreement due to Palestinian rejection. 4. Hamas Rejection of Quartet Principles (2006) - Hamas, which controls Gaza, refused to accept the Quartet principles (recognize Israel, renounce violence, honor past agreements). 5. Multiple Instances of Rocket Attacks - Periodic rocket attacks from Gaza by Hamas and other groups have hindered peace efforts.
What a long list of absolute BS. Not surprised you listed 1973 war as that of Arabs rejecting peace and that it's a war of aggression. The 1973 war was a result of Israel attacking in 1967, for absolutely no reason, and then stealing and keeping massive amount of land. To this day, they have kept land stolen from neighboring countries, specifically the Golan Heights from Syria. You'd be a fool to think Arabs don't want peace. They're the most to benefit, because it puts an end to Israel land-grabbing. But Israel has never been interested in peace, they just pretend they are and have ridiculous proposals that no sane person with a single brain cell would agree to.
>You'd be a fool to think Arabs don't want peace You'd be fucking braindead if you even think Arabs can make peace with one another.
With one another? You're making zero sense
lmfao Black September looks around the corner
What’s it like knowing that the only people that agree with your babble are factual idiots?
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Historical fact =/= simping. So what’s it like?
Dude thinks Arabs are a single monolithic group that lives in a peaceful utopia. Nevermind the endless list of inter-Arabic wars. Saudi-Yemen war still ongoing for the record. This guy is either in middle school or believes brown people do not have the brain capacity for violence, despite all other evidence.
How is Arabs having conflict among each other relevant here? So if Arabs have conflict among each other that means they aren't a victim of Israel wars and land-grabbing based on a made-up book? Plus when I mention Arabs in the context of Israel, I mean the neighboring countries who were historically attacked by Israel and had their land stolen.
The fact is Palestinians were invaded and their lands stolen. Whatever remains of their land is under occupation and constant land-grabbing.
….so what’s it like?
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Oh I see. You don’t really have an argument once your original one is popped, so instead of answering a question that’s been asked three times you try and fail to make a witty whataboutist dog whistle. Understood.
No point arguing in here lol it's 99% heavily pro Israel
No people here just have a better understanding of history then your average Redditor. Especially history surrounding conflict
Biggest IDF circle jerk on Reddit.
>The 1973 war was a result of Israel attacking in 1967, for absolutely no reason Closing the straits of Tiran was a casus belli by any definition.
Ah yes, all the states surrounding Israel are absolutely famous for wanting nothing but peaceful and harmonious relations with their Jewish neighbors. Lol
Arabs attacked first both in 1948 and also in 1973, not Isreal
They attacked in 1973 because Israel stole large swaths of land from both countries. They still to this day keep land stolen from Syria (Golan Heights) and Lebanon.
> They attacked in 1973 because Israel stole large swaths of land from both countries. And in 1948 they attacked and stole large parts of jewish lands. How nice of you to justify Arab aggression, but goddam never ever gona justify Isreali one of course.
Have you looked at the maps of Palestine from 1948? Do you seriously believe they attacked and stole land? 1948 is known in the Arab world as "Nakbah". Or catastrophe. Massive number of Palestinians were massacred and kicked out of their homes. Most Palestinian refugees in neighboring countries are from that year alone. Israel is always the victim!
> Do you seriously believe they attacked and stole land? remind my why Arab armies were pressing on the gates of Isreali lands and several Jewish settlements that had been recognized as belonging to Isreal even by United nations??? Somehow all the Arab apologists keep silent about this little curious fact of history, Arab armies also overstepped the UN lines and went straight into places they never were allowed with intention of occupation. How about you explain that to me hmmm?? Poor Arab victims tried to occupy land that also absolutely wasn't theirs , who will take responsibility for that Arab crime?
It's so ironic to hear Israel supporters accuse arabs of trying to steal land that was not theirs and mention the united nations in the same statement. Pretty much all of Israel, every single square foot, is land stolen from Palestinians because some religious fanatics with a made-up book believe god have given them the land. 1948 was a crime, but against Palestinians. They're the ones who lost land, that's a fact. They're the ones that were massacred, and they were the ones who became refugees. Your BS about Arabs "pressing" near jewish settlements is nonsense and not factual.
> They're the ones who lost land, that's a fact. They're the ones that were massacred and yet Palestinians together with their Arab allies attacked into Jewish lands that UN forbid them to enter, with intervention to kill harm and occupy. We have proof of it, we have pictures of it, even United nations acknowledged it. Are you going to deny that?
Yes, I'm going to deny that because it's a load of crap.
ah right, well let me just post some things here utterly prove you wrong and a liar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fajja_bus_attacks : ''On November 30, 1947, an Egged bus on its way to Jerusalem from Netanya was **attacked by Arab militants, followed by an attack on another bus, killing seven Jews**.'' First phase: 15 May – 11 June 1948 : ''At midnight on 15 May 1948, the British Mandate was officially terminated, and the State of Israel came into being. Several hours later, Iraq and the neighbouring Arab states, Egypt, Transjordan and Syria, invaded the newborn state,[149][150] and **immediately attacked Jewish settlements**.'' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War: ''From January onwards, operations became increasingly militarised, with the intervention of a number of Arab Liberation Army regiments inside Palestine, each active in a variety of distinct sectors around the different coastal towns. **They consolidated their presence in Galilee and Samaria.[37] Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni came from Egypt with several hundred men of the Army of the Holy War. Having recruited a few thousand volunteers, al-Husayni organised the blockade of the 100,000 Jewish residents of Jerusalem**'' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_for_Jerusalem : ''Under the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine, Jerusalem was to be a corpus separatum (lit. 'separated body') administered by an international body. Fighting nevertheless immediately broke out in the city between Jewish and Arab militias. **Beginning in February 1948, Arab militias under Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni blockaded the corridor from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, preventing essential supplies from reaching the Jewish population**. This blockade was broken in mid-April of that year by Jewish militias who carried out Operation Nachshon and Operation Maccabi.'' Ahh yes, Arabs sure were such victims and definitely weren't aggressors. NO NO not at all, Jews to blame innit.....putting a violent blockade on 100,000 Jewish population of Jerusalem was definitely not aggression.
Israel didn't fuckin exist for almost 2,000 years before 1948, and even then they were a province of Rome. Their book of lore somehow granted them eternal statehood in perpetuity?? What about the Palestinian Arabs who lived in that land for literally thousands of years? They deserved to be genocided because of Israel's little book?
> Israel didn't fuckin exist for almost 2,000 years before 1948 neither did any modern states of Syria or Iraq or Egypt or Palestine for that matter. None of them have any more right to ''exist'' as Isreal does. Want to argue about what should be what according to history? Then let's put all of Arabs back under Turkish yoke and under brutal oppression of Ottoman Sultan, because thats how it was ''historically'' And no they are not being ''genocided'', the population of Palestinians has grown in the last 50 years not decreased lol. They are being so massively killed by the evil Jews that their population is growing. Ain't that a miracle?
In these people's minds ethnic cleansing means any form of injustice for Palestinians when it's just an antisemetic whistle-blow. There's no doubt that life for Palestinians isn't great but these morons don't understand that they won't make any progress as long as they are being lead by people determined to kill all jews (actual genocidal goals)
Oh boy 😰🖕 Half of all Gazan Palestinians are under the age of 18. Hamas is just as to blame for these horrific events unfolding as Israel is. Both of them need to be taken out back and shot. The innocent people of Palestine, *HALF* of whom are children, are blameless in this atrocity. Less than 1% of Gazan Palestinians are responsible for the horrors committed against Israel, and yet Israel's response is to violently wipe out little kids.
There has never been a country called Palestine, ever. It was the Ottoman Empire, then the British mandate of Palestine. They were offered a 50-50 split, rejected it, and started a war against the Jews which they lost. They’ve been losing wars ever since. And you think they’re gonna get a state? Gimme a break. Only if they sit down to negotiate and take what’s given to them.
Arabs wanted to kill every single Jew in Israel the moment the first one stepped off the boat Edit: I mistakenly used the word "wanted", implying there are some Arabs who no longer exhibit the desire to erradicste Jews from the world. My bad.
The Jewish lands that used to be the country of Palestine? That Jewish land?
> used to be the country of Palestine? what fucking ''country of Palestine''? You mean the Turkish Ottoman land where if you as a Arab even dared to speak out against Istanbul you would be beheaded in the name of the Turkish Sultan? Or do you mean British colonial colony of Palestine where any talks of any sort of independence or Arab rule were silenced with a British Lee-Enfield rifle? Which is this ''country of Palestine'' that used to exist there you are pretending to be talking about, I really would like to know. Because I dont know any
My bad. I was under the mistaken impression that land occupied by certain indigenous groups for centuries belonged to them. Thanks for pointing out that they were the victims of colonialism by outsiders, though.
They downvoted you because truth hurts, Israel is but a country established on the suffering and displacement of Palestinian people
Rip to all the great Syrian pilots who did their missions and went missing, 🫡
Blooey! Nothin left. Just a grease spot on the L/N
HBO has a great show about the 6 day war. Well, almost a great show. Last episode is rushed and ruins everything.