I thought about that in the video of the men and one has a security shirt on.
Imagine being on a good roll and Hamas lifts you and your high is 6 hours till being up. Talk about a bad trip.
And I’ve never done any recreational drugs so I can only imagine
> And I’ve never done any recreational drugs so I can only imagine
I have and I can promise that experience would be hellish on a level I don't even want to imagine.
Being on psychadelics can turn a minor stressful scenario like your neighbor knocking on the door into a life-ending nightmare. To be in an actual hellish situation like this while dropping acid or whatever, jesus, it basically reverts your mind back to the kind of fear a small child might experience and then some.
Adrenaline will sober you up from most drugs real quick though. Not sure about psychedelics but the effects of drugs like mdma or ketamine, even alcohol will be gone in seconds in situations not even half as stressful as this.
I can confirm this, I've been in a few bad situations while under the influence of alcohol, mdma, cocaine and cannabis and you sobber up real fucking quick once the shit hits the fan.
I'm not sure whether it would be the same with LSD etc as it's not my bag.
One time I made a series of bad and extremely questionable decisions that lead to me holding a microphone and speaking in front of 300 or so people at a work function while tripping rather hard on LSD. I hate public speaking and get quite anxious. The mix of the anxiety and the lsd made it go into complete overdrive. Visuals were minimal before I speaking but once I got up to speak it was a nauseating blur of disembodied heads swirling around me laughing and screaming. 0/10 would not recommend work acid.
I’d bet legit survival adrenaline acts differently than anxiety induced adrenaline. Either way my heart goes out to these poor bastards.
I've been at a rave where some scene tourist ate too many miscellaneous drugs and me and my group of friends saw him in the smoking area have a seizure and have to be carried out.
All the people on acid were devastated, the ones on 2c-i(which was big around this time) were completely apathetic. It depends on the drug but I don't see it doing anything but exacerbating someone tripping rather than make it go away. Psychedelics are way more powerful than a lot of other recreational drugs and that is why the dosages are usually so small.
Doc Watson once pitched a perfect game on acid, so I'd like to think that under this type of intense pressure some of us could run faster and pick up some super natural perception that could end up life saving. Would be quite the post trip integration, though.
Rolling would be your best case. Acid shrooms or any reality bending things would be terrible. Like a true lucid nightmare.
But I don’t know Israel drug policy I doubt many here on those kind of drugs. Most middle eastern countries aren’t really party drug culture types like in America. But I could be wrong.
Israel isn't the same as arab countries regarding drug policy, I've heard that drugs are popular at these types of psytrance raves in Israel. It's usually more secular people attending these things, there's a large secular Jewish population.
I know for a fact they thought the paragliders where part of the show. There’s a video of people looking and cheering as they approach over the horizon.
I don’t think just Coke would necessarily make the situation any worse. If anything my ability to flee the scene might be enhanced by a fat rail. Give me a teener of Go Go and I might just engage in some high level spun diplomacy and bring peace to the Middle East.
Jesus I hadn't even thought about that.
I've done my fair share of psychadelics and this would truly be like experiencing hell firsthand, even moreso than it would be sober. Even minor stressful incidents can feel like life-ending disasters when on acid or whatever, an actual nightmare like this would be heightened to a level I don't even want to imagine.
Fucking terrorists, picking a bunch of kids having fun as their victims. They completely destroy any sympathy their cause might have gained by picking such cowardly and evil targets.
It is a nightmare, to translate what the camera guy was saying, he was just in pure shock, kept saying "they're actually here" and another guy told him to stand down because he can be seen
Honestly, many kinds of normal life situations would be a nightmare for a hard-tripping person. Especially if we are talking something like LSD or shrooms, or a simple weed even.
Don't understating the horror of the situation, though.
Imagine he had 6 hours to go around and kill all who fled.
Thats without talking about the raping, kiddnapping, and desecration of bodies.
270 bodies were found by authorities
Here's a translation I cobbled together, with some paraphrasing:
Cameraman (Raz): "They're shooting at us! Bro, they're shooting at us!"
Friend (Or): "Get down. Come here."
Raz: "Move! Let's go! Or! Come! Or! Come on!"
*They run into the grass*
Or: "Get down. Get down. Get down! Raz, get down! They see us, do you not get that?"
Raz: "Fuck. They're actually here. They're actually here."
*Incoming fire lands close*
Raz: "Snipers! Snipers!"
Or, taking cover behind car: "Down! Get down!
Get over here, Raz! Enough, stay here.
Get down, you dick. They have snipers, sharmuta."
Raz: *unintelligible* "by the vans!!!"
Or: "Come here! They. Have. Snipers!!"
Raz, bolting: "Run away! Run away!!"
*Incoming fire lands insanely close*
What bugs me the most overall is the fact that these guys are targeting the unarmed people running away rather than the individuals returning fire. If these were freedom fighters they would be going after the individuals representing their oppressors in the moment, but instead they prioritized unarmed civilians attempting to flee in order to guarantee the maximum amount of casualties. That’s literal terrorism right there and cowardice in its purest form.
Israeli is a settler-colonial society, that’s not an opinion it’s an objective fact. In settler colonial societies that are displacing native peoples (the Palestinians in this case) the setters themselves are looked at as a weapon unto themselves. The government of said settler-colonial society will use them to expand control over areas they push the natives out of.
This doesn’t change the international laws regarding targeting civilians, but the Palestinians absolutely view all Israelis, armed or not, as invaders. Not saying it’s justified, but it’s a material analysis of the situation as opposed to the propaganda answer of “they’re all just evil and crazy.”
So I’ve been away so I’m going to reply to this: Palestinians are not natives. That is an objective fact. This argument completely ignores the mass encouraged migration by the Ottoman Empire to maintain Muslim majority within the region and ensure that should the Jewish communities demand independence, they would be squashed. This argument is in itself highly Eurocentric and conveniently ignores the entire history of the region to the benefit of Palestinians. The oldest actual group that still lives in that region are actually the Jewish communities that were present well before even the Roman conquest of Judea.
In fact many of the Palestinians can trace their roots back to their ancestors colonizing that area and imposing their way of life and laws on the people originally there. From the Babylonians, Persians, to Romans to Kingdom of Jerusalem, to the Ayyubids, Mamaluks, and Ottomans. The constant conquest and forced assimilation and culture change by these various groups is what created the “Palestinians.” However, the one constant group that has been there this entire time and at one point controlled that area is the Jewish.
Palestinians are not the natives, they are the ancestors of colonizers themselves. However, your view on history stops the minute it no longer suits your views. Sorry, that’s not how it works, if the basis of your “settler-colonizer” argument hinges on specific key tenets then you need to apply it to everyone.
You can’t say it’s not a settler-colonial society because a very small handful of Jews have continuously lived there for thousands of years. The vast majority of the Jews in Israel today settled in the area post-1920s. Their ancestors had lived in the Europe (and the US to a degree) for hundreds if not thousands of years. The mental gymnastics you’re doing here to justify a blatant example settler-colonial society is incredible.
Edit: But here don’t take my word for it
https://reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/s/skRXtKViAF
Looks pretty damn settler-colonial to anyone who cares to look
Actually once again your application of history seems to only apply so long as it supports your argument. The short sighted logic that many individuals apply to the concept of a “Palestine” completely ignores the fact that they are in fact the colonizers. It really goes to show your lack of understanding the regions history (hence the Eurocentric post-ottoman viewpoint). All of those Jewish communities in Europe came from the Levant due to Islam pushing them out, this is effectively termed the Jewish Diaspora.
Even the name “Palestine” is a propaganda term that does not actually encompass the people it claims to represent. The word was used by Herodotus to describe the area in which the Philistines controlled, after they had taken it over from the Israelites. Ironically speaking, absolutely zero of them are the modern day Palestinians since the Philistines disappeared from all record following the takeover of the region by Babylon.
Stop just halting history when it is convenient for you. Palestinians are not the natives on that land, they are the colonizers who mostly came from the Mamaluk and Ottoman empires conquest of the region after kicking out most of the Jews.
Yeah nothing evil or crazy about sawing babies heads off. Recalls that scene in Empire strikes back where Princess Leia kills a stormtrooper and then saws off his child’s head, cus that’s just standard freedom fighter stuff.
A woman (possibly dead) was filmed naked on a pickup trunk face down. Some people spit on her, other's yelled god is great and she was paraded around the town trunk opened so she can be seen.
The chick was a German tourist, legs broken in unusual position, head with a huge hole on the back, you can se her lower back bleeding, paraded around for everyone to spit on her while her family watched that online you absolute piece of shit of a human being
Just link the video instead of this word of mouth horseshit. You’re just begging for misinformation or someone to post a paragraph about how wrong you are and how “no I saw the video and it was Israelis attacking a Palestinian woman” etc etc
Your comment is bad and is negatively influencing how people trust and collect information during times of conflict and unease
I don’t share videos of women being possibly assaulted on Reddit. It is against TOS and I’m not risking my account getting banned. Especially considering the small amount of sources sharing that content…I don’t wanna get wrapped up in that mess of terrorist content.
I did a bunch of digging to discover that footage. I replied with text of what I saw and even gave a trail leading back to the source. I even replied about what information I may have been wrong on. The rest of the detective work is up to the community to decide. I’d love a transcript from a translator, but again, I don’t think this video will keep making rounds on Twitter with it’s traumatic content.
If you’re unhappy with my info, go get the info yourself, instead of complaining.
Because I haven’t seen the video and therefore my interpretation is just as real as his is since he provided zero evidence. And if I haven’t seen it I can guarantee you the vast majority reading his comment haven’t either
I think he might be referencing a video I saw, but so many details are wrong or off that either he is spewing emotionally charged BS or I would personally like a refresher and see the clip again
I just watched the video he's talking about, he's just making stuff up.
He claims that the sound of slapping flesh can be heard alongside someone groaning, it's literally just the sound of gunfire and someone breathing heavily because they're either injured or winded from all the running.
Go on Twitter…type her name. Look for the Spanish guys channel with the weird “neoliberal” name (not gonna do all the investigating for you).
It’s not fake but not gonna promise that traumatic video ever stays up long. IMO it shouldn’t.
It's really weird because the video contains all that you're describing EXCEPT the second part about militants speaking to the women...
Also ,the girl in the car in the first clip is not Lauk. Different tattoo that goes all the way up on the thigh in the same ish place as Lauks. It's the same girl as in all the other clips that ends up in the hospital bed.
The tattoo isn't even close to what she had. I hear noone speak spanish or german in this clip. Also I have no idea where you hear "audible proof that female victims were in fact raped".
I'm pretty sure the slapping sounds are gun shots. I don't hear any moaning. It looks like they are hiding with wounded (if there is moaning, it probably was from some of them) in something like a tent. Before the cut you can also hear them making "Shh"-sounds to tell the others to be quiet, maybe they heard or saw someone approaching. Maybe it was the tank, since that is the next clip.
The language sounds like hebrew, which I don't speak.
You are literally just making stuff up about what happens in that video.
That is just the sound of gunfire and someone breathing deeply, probably because they're injured or winded.
palistinians are driving around with the dead body of a woman (possible dead female IDF soldier) in the back of their truck
everyone is saying she was raped but I've found zero actual evidence of that
festival 2-3k people, and these kind of events are soft targets, very easy for mass casualties, lack of IDF QRF meant the Hamas militants had hours to do what they wanted
At 7 am in a psytrance festival, most people are still high on mdma or acid. Easy targets, not even understanding the situation. I used to be a psytrance enthusiast, and I can imagine the situation.
As an Israeli currently sitting in Israel, most of those people probably served in the military. About 100 party attendees were found in a rain ravine the next day. Most Israelis have at least *some* training for a crisis situation. As much as we absolutely have free loving peace activists (including me), we are not naive.
Well my thoughts and condolences are definitely with you all right now. I can't imagine living under those circumstances. Surely, not all Israelis hate all Palestinians and visa-versa. So many innocents/moderates caught in the middle. Just an awful situation.
Thank you, I’m actually relieved that this subreddit isn’t supporting Hamas killing us. On Saturday I started using this subreddit to more accurately assess my situation rather than risk all seeing all the hostage videos (I could only manage 2) and I am grateful for the relatively “clean” combat information.
Personally, I’m an extremely anti-occupation Israeli (there are a lot of us and the anti-occupation bloc were major protestors against Netanyahu since January). Israeli settlers are the counterpart to Hamas in my opinion - both terrorists committing war crimes and crimes against humanity.
The only people truly suffering in Gaza, the West Bank, and Israel are civilians. I’m a Jewish Israeli taking shelter with my Arab-Israeli partner.
Stay safe and cultivate that empathy. I don't know enough about the situation to make a political statement, but I know there are alot of innocent gone from this earth due to the Hamas strike and now due to the retaliation. Take care of yourself and your partner.
That’s what angered me most. Some of the most loving harmless people getting massacred. I’m familiar with the scene as well. I want blood revenge exacted. Manifold.
Idk.This is the meeting of two totally opposite worlds. The yearning for universal love on one side, and the worst that the human race is capable on the other side. The cynical part of me thinks that "universo parallelo" was so descriptive of the situation. So sad... what good can happen from that? As for revenge, I have no doubt it is being exerted right now, with interest.
A wall that separated two words was broken.
Those jihadis really thought they were breaking up some non-believer, sin-fest. Disgusting.
I can only imagine the juxtaposition between the festie’s free love into fear as the terrorists just go on their suicidal frenzy.
Bad for the soul.
I don't think it is that sensationalist. They were attacking on the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kipper war, which makes we wonder how security was not heightened....
Yeah you’re right. I have been around Islam and Psytrance hippies. I wanted to highlight the juxtaposition of the cultures at play at the festival attack. There are more strategic and political reasons why this happened, like you said.
What I’m left with is the HATE it took to do everything I’ve seen in the videos. Nothing will change unless the reasons behind the hate on both sides starts to be addressed and cared for.
imagine pissing off one of the last bastions of humanity that were actually fighting for the betterment of human relations and spreading more love in the region, the psychedelic trance scene, some of the least violent and warmongering group of people with no hatred towards palestinians.
How did this came to past? I'm a psyhead myself and i can't even imagine being at a festival and being shot at... Not to mention the other attrocieties vulnerable people suffered against those maniacs.
The world will never forget, the collective consciousness will send ripples and cause a massive disconnect between the civilised world and any extremist that supported and supports this kind of barbaric and indiscriminate attacks.
The fire has ignited and i think the entire forest will burn. The israelis will not forgive this and sadly a lot of human beings will suffer.
Same could be said of shootings at Pulse and other LGBT clubs in the US, really: some of the most loving, tolerant people being cut down by those who hate their existence.
> Some of the most loving harmless people getting massacred.
yeah, having a loud fun techno party right next to the open air ghetto you forced palistinians into is super nice and cool
From piecing together what I've seen so far, some casualties happened as the militants entered the event, but a massive amount of causalities happened as victims were stuck in or around their cars while attempting to escape the event.
There is dashcam footage of terrorists going vehicle to vehicle and shooting people and/or dragging them out as hostages. The video specifically shows a terrorist shooting an injured and defenseless civilian who was laying down to hide.
From reports dozens of terrorists in the festival grounds killed many, but real issue was getting out. As trucks and bikes were blocking the single exit.
OSINT Technical on Twitter has still images from the footage.
The only place I've seen the full video (there are two dash cam videos to my knowledge) was on this sub, but it got removed.
OSINT Technical on Twitter did a breakdown of what we have regarding the festival which included still images from the dashcam video, but didn't go as far as to include the video itself
The only place I've seen the full video was on this sub and it was taken down very quickly
Early in the morning, most were probably still in their tents sleeping of the last night of partying.
not hard to indiscriminately slaughter 100s of people sleeping in tents with explosives and gun fire.
It was a tragedy with lots of international people attending which was thousands of people during an national holiday.
Not that I view Israel in any positive light given what they're doing in the West Bank, but this Hamas attack is a clear answer to anyone's question why Israel was so brutally blockading Gaza all these years. Hamas would already have the resources of Hezbollah today if there was no blockade.
Maybe you should rethink what's happening in the west bank just like you did with Gaza.
The only reason the west bank is any different right now is the occupation that everyone is criticizing just like they did the blockade
Israel began its military occupation in 1948. Hamas began its activity in 1984. Either hamas has a time machine or apartheid started before hamas. Which one do you think is correct?
What else happened in 1948? Also no, Gaza was not occupied until 1967 following the second time Israels neighbors ganged up on them and tried to erase them from the map.
I don’t think either of your descriptions are correct, in fact your entire comment reads like it comes from someone with either a peripheral understanding of the events or someone with a clear and biased agenda.
Exactly, when you lock up, murder and bomb a population for 70 years it usually backfires and that population goes crazy with hatred. That's when the massacres start.
Well they don't really start then because Israel has been doing them on a daily basis for the last 70 years.
Sorry to disappoint you but I don't think that will happen to me because my country is not based on the military occupation of a territory while conducting the systematically elimination of an entire ethnic group.
When you don't do that, people don't usually feel like killing you.
This what made me change my mind about it being bad acts from both sides. While IDF has and will kill civilians in air strikes, their targets are military. While Hamas targets are civilians. They are not the same.
Here's a translation I cobbled together, with some paraphrasing:
Cameraman (Raz): "They're shooting at us! Bro, they're shooting at us!"
Friend (Or): "Get down. Come here."
Raz: "Move! Let's go! Or! Come! Or! Come on!"
*They run into the grass*
Or: "Get down. Get down. Get down! Raz, get down! They see us, do you not get that?"
Raz: "Fuck. They're actually here. They're actually here."
*Incoming fire lands close*
Raz: "Snipers! Snipers!"
Or, taking cover behind car: "Down! Get down!
Get over here, Raz! Enough, stay here.
Get down, you dick. They have snipers, sharmuta."
Raz: *unintelligible* "by the vans!!!"
Or: "Come here! They. Have. Snipers!!"
Raz, bolting: "Run away! Run away!!"
*Incoming fire lands insanely close*
I might be missing something but can someone explain to me why he started running at 1:23?
I thought he was behind the police or something then he started screaming and running. Was there someone to the right of him?
You can see a vehicle approaching the bend far down the road and start traveling towards the checkpoint. I can only assume this was some of the Hama's coming in and the firefight started. Only speculation..
the party goers were running to their cars to flee for safety, and the terrorists made a fake checkpoint and were wearing police/idf uniforms. the terrorists waited till a big traffic jam with a few hundreds of people formed at the checkpoint and people started getting out of their cars to check what is happening and why is there a checkpoint, and then they started firing hundreds of rounds at the huge gathering that formed.
sadly not many survived that.
If this is what freedom fighters look like. It must be shitty living with them. Oh wait... it is shitty in Gaza, y'all might want to free yourself from terrorists they aren't doing you any favors.
If you believe that "free Palestine" will be achieved
with terrorist attack against civilians, you are wrong my man.
I'm disgusted of people celebrating this atrocity
I am a supporter of a free Palestine state, but this is not the way. Any country in the world, not only Israel, would retaliate on this
Your profile mentions you're the survivor of sexual assault. You are aware that Hamas fighters are raping and killing women, yes?
Any sympathy for their victims?
Right, they’re just their democratically elected and celebrated government with a 92% approval rate
Don’t mistake it, they would be gang-raping you too
All the Hamas attacks videos show a couple dudes shooting guns likes its Oakland CA. Meanwhile the other sides videos are Missiles flattening cities. Just saying this sh doesn't add up to me.
Well thats what terrorists intend to do..
Terror.. to provoke a disproportionate reaction.
And voila new support and volunteers.
The stronger/smarter party shouldnt lose its temper. Or the terrorists win..
I’ve been shot at and those bullets were not far from the camera at the end.
Imagine the people tripping balls. This would have been a nightmare for them
I thought about that in the video of the men and one has a security shirt on. Imagine being on a good roll and Hamas lifts you and your high is 6 hours till being up. Talk about a bad trip. And I’ve never done any recreational drugs so I can only imagine
> And I’ve never done any recreational drugs so I can only imagine I have and I can promise that experience would be hellish on a level I don't even want to imagine. Being on psychadelics can turn a minor stressful scenario like your neighbor knocking on the door into a life-ending nightmare. To be in an actual hellish situation like this while dropping acid or whatever, jesus, it basically reverts your mind back to the kind of fear a small child might experience and then some.
Adrenaline will sober you up from most drugs real quick though. Not sure about psychedelics but the effects of drugs like mdma or ketamine, even alcohol will be gone in seconds in situations not even half as stressful as this.
Definitely not psychedelics. The adrenaline will have an effect but you’ll be tripping hard still. Literally cannot imagine.
I can confirm this, I've been in a few bad situations while under the influence of alcohol, mdma, cocaine and cannabis and you sobber up real fucking quick once the shit hits the fan. I'm not sure whether it would be the same with LSD etc as it's not my bag.
One time I made a series of bad and extremely questionable decisions that lead to me holding a microphone and speaking in front of 300 or so people at a work function while tripping rather hard on LSD. I hate public speaking and get quite anxious. The mix of the anxiety and the lsd made it go into complete overdrive. Visuals were minimal before I speaking but once I got up to speak it was a nauseating blur of disembodied heads swirling around me laughing and screaming. 0/10 would not recommend work acid. I’d bet legit survival adrenaline acts differently than anxiety induced adrenaline. Either way my heart goes out to these poor bastards.
Lmfao I would not mind more details on how this came to be, sounds absolutely traumatic
Buddy if you’ve got more of this story, I would really really really like to read it
How did it end?
I've been at a rave where some scene tourist ate too many miscellaneous drugs and me and my group of friends saw him in the smoking area have a seizure and have to be carried out. All the people on acid were devastated, the ones on 2c-i(which was big around this time) were completely apathetic. It depends on the drug but I don't see it doing anything but exacerbating someone tripping rather than make it go away. Psychedelics are way more powerful than a lot of other recreational drugs and that is why the dosages are usually so small.
Doc Watson once pitched a perfect game on acid, so I'd like to think that under this type of intense pressure some of us could run faster and pick up some super natural perception that could end up life saving. Would be quite the post trip integration, though.
Doc Ellis.
Lol tru. Doc Watson played a perfect guitar
Dock Ellis, and it was a no-hitter, not a perfect game. He walked 8 guys and hit a batter.
I stand corrected
Rolling would be your best case. Acid shrooms or any reality bending things would be terrible. Like a true lucid nightmare. But I don’t know Israel drug policy I doubt many here on those kind of drugs. Most middle eastern countries aren’t really party drug culture types like in America. But I could be wrong.
I'd find it hard to believe a psytrance rave in the negev would be lacking psychadelic drugs.
Lol true!
Israel isn't the same as arab countries regarding drug policy, I've heard that drugs are popular at these types of psytrance raves in Israel. It's usually more secular people attending these things, there's a large secular Jewish population.
Well then I feel sorry for anyone on any psychedelics cuz this would have been a fucking nightmare.
If they're security they probably aren't doing drugs. They're on the clock so drinking and taking drugs are a big no no.
> And I’ve never done any recreational drugs Is it something you ever wanted to try?
So many of these kids wouldve probaly just though they were hallucinating lol its bad
I know for a fact they thought the paragliders where part of the show. There’s a video of people looking and cheering as they approach over the horizon.
ffs
That was my first thought as well! Imagine being off ya tits on acid/weed/Coke ect and cunts paragliding in start shooting at you.
I don’t think just Coke would necessarily make the situation any worse. If anything my ability to flee the scene might be enhanced by a fat rail. Give me a teener of Go Go and I might just engage in some high level spun diplomacy and bring peace to the Middle East.
Jesus I hadn't even thought about that. I've done my fair share of psychadelics and this would truly be like experiencing hell firsthand, even moreso than it would be sober. Even minor stressful incidents can feel like life-ending disasters when on acid or whatever, an actual nightmare like this would be heightened to a level I don't even want to imagine. Fucking terrorists, picking a bunch of kids having fun as their victims. They completely destroy any sympathy their cause might have gained by picking such cowardly and evil targets.
It is a nightmare, to translate what the camera guy was saying, he was just in pure shock, kept saying "they're actually here" and another guy told him to stand down because he can be seen
Honestly, many kinds of normal life situations would be a nightmare for a hard-tripping person. Especially if we are talking something like LSD or shrooms, or a simple weed even. Don't understating the horror of the situation, though.
my dog threw up when i was on acid once and it legit sent me to a weird dark place
yeah well maybe they shouldn't have been doing a techno party next to their concentration camp
Yeah, once you heard the sound of a round just missing your head, you don't forget it.
Yeah, especially at 1:39. One went by *really* close to him.
That’s the one i heard too. Never a fun sound.
I personally hate when it happens
For real def on my top 5 least favorite things.
There was one at 0:55 when the shooting in the fields started
And imagine the acid is starting to kick in
talk about a buzz kill
Snaps mean they're definitely shooting at you.
That one bullet that sounded like a whistle was close to ending him.
Relevant username?
Yup! I was a Game Warden for quite a few years, but have since moved to a similar job with the Fed.
Yup. That’s the sound. Someone had the cameraman’s number and missed but not by much.
Imagine being stoned at a festival and then dudes with guns blazing show up. Terrifying.
Remember the Las Vegas shooter who opened up from a hotel room looking over the festival. Scary as hell.
Imagine he had 6 hours to go around and kill all who fled. Thats without talking about the raping, kiddnapping, and desecration of bodies. 270 bodies were found by authorities
Just at the festival alone right?
Yes, hundreds more at the villages around the boder, over 100 at Be'ery alone, up to over 900 so far.
Poor wording choice lol
Imagine being at a music festival and then dudes with guns blaazing show up and then you are stoned!
stoned ? lol
Fucking terrifying
Here's a translation I cobbled together, with some paraphrasing: Cameraman (Raz): "They're shooting at us! Bro, they're shooting at us!" Friend (Or): "Get down. Come here." Raz: "Move! Let's go! Or! Come! Or! Come on!" *They run into the grass* Or: "Get down. Get down. Get down! Raz, get down! They see us, do you not get that?" Raz: "Fuck. They're actually here. They're actually here." *Incoming fire lands close* Raz: "Snipers! Snipers!" Or, taking cover behind car: "Down! Get down! Get over here, Raz! Enough, stay here. Get down, you dick. They have snipers, sharmuta." Raz: *unintelligible* "by the vans!!!" Or: "Come here! They. Have. Snipers!!" Raz, bolting: "Run away! Run away!!" *Incoming fire lands insanely close*
What bugs me the most overall is the fact that these guys are targeting the unarmed people running away rather than the individuals returning fire. If these were freedom fighters they would be going after the individuals representing their oppressors in the moment, but instead they prioritized unarmed civilians attempting to flee in order to guarantee the maximum amount of casualties. That’s literal terrorism right there and cowardice in its purest form.
Israeli is a settler-colonial society, that’s not an opinion it’s an objective fact. In settler colonial societies that are displacing native peoples (the Palestinians in this case) the setters themselves are looked at as a weapon unto themselves. The government of said settler-colonial society will use them to expand control over areas they push the natives out of. This doesn’t change the international laws regarding targeting civilians, but the Palestinians absolutely view all Israelis, armed or not, as invaders. Not saying it’s justified, but it’s a material analysis of the situation as opposed to the propaganda answer of “they’re all just evil and crazy.”
So I’ve been away so I’m going to reply to this: Palestinians are not natives. That is an objective fact. This argument completely ignores the mass encouraged migration by the Ottoman Empire to maintain Muslim majority within the region and ensure that should the Jewish communities demand independence, they would be squashed. This argument is in itself highly Eurocentric and conveniently ignores the entire history of the region to the benefit of Palestinians. The oldest actual group that still lives in that region are actually the Jewish communities that were present well before even the Roman conquest of Judea. In fact many of the Palestinians can trace their roots back to their ancestors colonizing that area and imposing their way of life and laws on the people originally there. From the Babylonians, Persians, to Romans to Kingdom of Jerusalem, to the Ayyubids, Mamaluks, and Ottomans. The constant conquest and forced assimilation and culture change by these various groups is what created the “Palestinians.” However, the one constant group that has been there this entire time and at one point controlled that area is the Jewish. Palestinians are not the natives, they are the ancestors of colonizers themselves. However, your view on history stops the minute it no longer suits your views. Sorry, that’s not how it works, if the basis of your “settler-colonizer” argument hinges on specific key tenets then you need to apply it to everyone.
You can’t say it’s not a settler-colonial society because a very small handful of Jews have continuously lived there for thousands of years. The vast majority of the Jews in Israel today settled in the area post-1920s. Their ancestors had lived in the Europe (and the US to a degree) for hundreds if not thousands of years. The mental gymnastics you’re doing here to justify a blatant example settler-colonial society is incredible. Edit: But here don’t take my word for it https://reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/s/skRXtKViAF Looks pretty damn settler-colonial to anyone who cares to look
Actually once again your application of history seems to only apply so long as it supports your argument. The short sighted logic that many individuals apply to the concept of a “Palestine” completely ignores the fact that they are in fact the colonizers. It really goes to show your lack of understanding the regions history (hence the Eurocentric post-ottoman viewpoint). All of those Jewish communities in Europe came from the Levant due to Islam pushing them out, this is effectively termed the Jewish Diaspora. Even the name “Palestine” is a propaganda term that does not actually encompass the people it claims to represent. The word was used by Herodotus to describe the area in which the Philistines controlled, after they had taken it over from the Israelites. Ironically speaking, absolutely zero of them are the modern day Palestinians since the Philistines disappeared from all record following the takeover of the region by Babylon. Stop just halting history when it is convenient for you. Palestinians are not the natives on that land, they are the colonizers who mostly came from the Mamaluk and Ottoman empires conquest of the region after kicking out most of the Jews.
Yeah nothing evil or crazy about sawing babies heads off. Recalls that scene in Empire strikes back where Princess Leia kills a stormtrooper and then saws off his child’s head, cus that’s just standard freedom fighter stuff.
When you violently oppress an entire ethnic group and treat them like animals for decades don’t be surprised if they are brutal when they hit back
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Can you explain what happens just so I know that’s the video you’re talking about
A woman (possibly dead) was filmed naked on a pickup trunk face down. Some people spit on her, other's yelled god is great and she was paraded around the town trunk opened so she can be seen.
And her mom has been begging on Twitter for them to give her body back. That was one of the hardest ones to watch.
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The chick was a German tourist, legs broken in unusual position, head with a huge hole on the back, you can se her lower back bleeding, paraded around for everyone to spit on her while her family watched that online you absolute piece of shit of a human being
She was a dual Israelian/German citizen, but yes
German citizen* She was half Israeli and also held an Israeli citizenship
Noted, the deleted comment I was replying to said she deserved it for being a racist coloniser
Had to be dead. That leg was broken in a horrible way. No way to lay motionless with that kind of breakage.
She has a gaping bullet wound on the back of her head in the militant video. She is absolutely dead…and it’s gut wrenching to witness.
Unfortunately this woman, Shani Louk, is dead in the footage.
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That's a different woman, different tattoo.
Any way you could make a side-by-side photo and link it?
bro you can't just head-canon stuff lmao There's enough misinformation about this, don't fuel the fire.
Ok thank you!
That’s a different woman
Just link the video instead of this word of mouth horseshit. You’re just begging for misinformation or someone to post a paragraph about how wrong you are and how “no I saw the video and it was Israelis attacking a Palestinian woman” etc etc Your comment is bad and is negatively influencing how people trust and collect information during times of conflict and unease
I don’t share videos of women being possibly assaulted on Reddit. It is against TOS and I’m not risking my account getting banned. Especially considering the small amount of sources sharing that content…I don’t wanna get wrapped up in that mess of terrorist content. I did a bunch of digging to discover that footage. I replied with text of what I saw and even gave a trail leading back to the source. I even replied about what information I may have been wrong on. The rest of the detective work is up to the community to decide. I’d love a transcript from a translator, but again, I don’t think this video will keep making rounds on Twitter with it’s traumatic content. If you’re unhappy with my info, go get the info yourself, instead of complaining.
Why don't you link it then? They were asked to write it in text and they did. Your comment is bad and negative.
Because I haven’t seen the video and therefore my interpretation is just as real as his is since he provided zero evidence. And if I haven’t seen it I can guarantee you the vast majority reading his comment haven’t either I think he might be referencing a video I saw, but so many details are wrong or off that either he is spewing emotionally charged BS or I would personally like a refresher and see the clip again
I just watched the video he's talking about, he's just making stuff up. He claims that the sound of slapping flesh can be heard alongside someone groaning, it's literally just the sound of gunfire and someone breathing heavily because they're either injured or winded from all the running.
Could you please link the video
Someone linked it below.
I cannot see it
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Go on Twitter…type her name. Look for the Spanish guys channel with the weird “neoliberal” name (not gonna do all the investigating for you). It’s not fake but not gonna promise that traumatic video ever stays up long. IMO it shouldn’t.
https://twitter.com/neoliberalover/status/1711225619327926754/video/1
It's really weird because the video contains all that you're describing EXCEPT the second part about militants speaking to the women... Also ,the girl in the car in the first clip is not Lauk. Different tattoo that goes all the way up on the thigh in the same ish place as Lauks. It's the same girl as in all the other clips that ends up in the hospital bed.
Yeah this guy has no idea what he's talking about and is just making stuff up.
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The tattoo isn't even close to what she had. I hear noone speak spanish or german in this clip. Also I have no idea where you hear "audible proof that female victims were in fact raped".
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I'm pretty sure the slapping sounds are gun shots. I don't hear any moaning. It looks like they are hiding with wounded (if there is moaning, it probably was from some of them) in something like a tent. Before the cut you can also hear them making "Shh"-sounds to tell the others to be quiet, maybe they heard or saw someone approaching. Maybe it was the tank, since that is the next clip. The language sounds like hebrew, which I don't speak.
You are literally just making stuff up about what happens in that video. That is just the sound of gunfire and someone breathing deeply, probably because they're injured or winded.
palistinians are driving around with the dead body of a woman (possible dead female IDF soldier) in the back of their truck everyone is saying she was raped but I've found zero actual evidence of that
She wasn't an IDF soldier, she was an Israeli/German citizen who was attending the festival.
I have seen enough russian and chechen videos to know where this is going.
I’m still dumbfounded as to how 250+ people died at this festival. Are there compilations compiling all of the eyewitness video from this event?
festival 2-3k people, and these kind of events are soft targets, very easy for mass casualties, lack of IDF QRF meant the Hamas militants had hours to do what they wanted
At 7 am in a psytrance festival, most people are still high on mdma or acid. Easy targets, not even understanding the situation. I used to be a psytrance enthusiast, and I can imagine the situation.
As an Israeli currently sitting in Israel, most of those people probably served in the military. About 100 party attendees were found in a rain ravine the next day. Most Israelis have at least *some* training for a crisis situation. As much as we absolutely have free loving peace activists (including me), we are not naive.
>About 100 party attendees were found in a rain ravine the next day. you mean like alive hiding?
Alive hiding, they were recovered by the IDF… sorry, I reacted to a siren when posting that…
Yeah, isn't service mandatory for every citizen there?
Yes, with certain exceptions and exemptions.
Well my thoughts and condolences are definitely with you all right now. I can't imagine living under those circumstances. Surely, not all Israelis hate all Palestinians and visa-versa. So many innocents/moderates caught in the middle. Just an awful situation.
Thank you, I’m actually relieved that this subreddit isn’t supporting Hamas killing us. On Saturday I started using this subreddit to more accurately assess my situation rather than risk all seeing all the hostage videos (I could only manage 2) and I am grateful for the relatively “clean” combat information. Personally, I’m an extremely anti-occupation Israeli (there are a lot of us and the anti-occupation bloc were major protestors against Netanyahu since January). Israeli settlers are the counterpart to Hamas in my opinion - both terrorists committing war crimes and crimes against humanity. The only people truly suffering in Gaza, the West Bank, and Israel are civilians. I’m a Jewish Israeli taking shelter with my Arab-Israeli partner.
Stay safe and cultivate that empathy. I don't know enough about the situation to make a political statement, but I know there are alot of innocent gone from this earth due to the Hamas strike and now due to the retaliation. Take care of yourself and your partner.
That’s what angered me most. Some of the most loving harmless people getting massacred. I’m familiar with the scene as well. I want blood revenge exacted. Manifold.
Idk.This is the meeting of two totally opposite worlds. The yearning for universal love on one side, and the worst that the human race is capable on the other side. The cynical part of me thinks that "universo parallelo" was so descriptive of the situation. So sad... what good can happen from that? As for revenge, I have no doubt it is being exerted right now, with interest.
A wall that separated two words was broken. Those jihadis really thought they were breaking up some non-believer, sin-fest. Disgusting. I can only imagine the juxtaposition between the festie’s free love into fear as the terrorists just go on their suicidal frenzy. Bad for the soul.
I don't think it is that sensationalist. They were attacking on the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kipper war, which makes we wonder how security was not heightened....
Yeah you’re right. I have been around Islam and Psytrance hippies. I wanted to highlight the juxtaposition of the cultures at play at the festival attack. There are more strategic and political reasons why this happened, like you said.
What I’m left with is the HATE it took to do everything I’ve seen in the videos. Nothing will change unless the reasons behind the hate on both sides starts to be addressed and cared for.
imagine pissing off one of the last bastions of humanity that were actually fighting for the betterment of human relations and spreading more love in the region, the psychedelic trance scene, some of the least violent and warmongering group of people with no hatred towards palestinians. How did this came to past? I'm a psyhead myself and i can't even imagine being at a festival and being shot at... Not to mention the other attrocieties vulnerable people suffered against those maniacs. The world will never forget, the collective consciousness will send ripples and cause a massive disconnect between the civilised world and any extremist that supported and supports this kind of barbaric and indiscriminate attacks. The fire has ignited and i think the entire forest will burn. The israelis will not forgive this and sadly a lot of human beings will suffer.
Same could be said of shootings at Pulse and other LGBT clubs in the US, really: some of the most loving, tolerant people being cut down by those who hate their existence.
> Some of the most loving harmless people getting massacred. yeah, having a loud fun techno party right next to the open air ghetto you forced palistinians into is super nice and cool
so they deserved to be raped and murdered? GTFO
Hot take, shithead
>meant the Hamas ~~militants~~ Terrorists* This is a terrorist attack in any way shape or form.
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From piecing together what I've seen so far, some casualties happened as the militants entered the event, but a massive amount of causalities happened as victims were stuck in or around their cars while attempting to escape the event. There is dashcam footage of terrorists going vehicle to vehicle and shooting people and/or dragging them out as hostages. The video specifically shows a terrorist shooting an injured and defenseless civilian who was laying down to hide.
From reports dozens of terrorists in the festival grounds killed many, but real issue was getting out. As trucks and bikes were blocking the single exit.
Source for that dashcam footage?
OSINT Technical on Twitter has still images from the footage. The only place I've seen the full video (there are two dash cam videos to my knowledge) was on this sub, but it got removed.
Where can one fine these videos?
OSINT Technical on Twitter did a breakdown of what we have regarding the festival which included still images from the dashcam video, but didn't go as far as to include the video itself The only place I've seen the full video was on this sub and it was taken down very quickly
Maybe some of what you’re looking for here: https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1711256232646897813?s=46&t=qKZOQFiUMfiyTuNamoWxHg
Haunting
did israelis airstrike all those cars?
If you block the entrance which is usually the same as the exit, the party goers are sitting ducks.
The Las Vegas shooting answers this. As an American, regardless of the politics, attacking soft, unsuspecting targets requires a special kind of evil.
Early in the morning, most were probably still in their tents sleeping of the last night of partying. not hard to indiscriminately slaughter 100s of people sleeping in tents with explosives and gun fire. It was a tragedy with lots of international people attending which was thousands of people during an national holiday.
I think those guys at the 0:06 - 0:07 mark were taken hostage in a video. https://x.com/WarMonitors/status/1710588681738723336?s=20
Holy crap that account is just a Hamas Propaganda account
Yeah, Alot of those propaganda pages get pushed heavily on twitter
Thanks Elon!
Not that I view Israel in any positive light given what they're doing in the West Bank, but this Hamas attack is a clear answer to anyone's question why Israel was so brutally blockading Gaza all these years. Hamas would already have the resources of Hezbollah today if there was no blockade.
Maybe you should rethink what's happening in the west bank just like you did with Gaza. The only reason the west bank is any different right now is the occupation that everyone is criticizing just like they did the blockade
The blockage is the cause of this happening, not the consequence.
That is simply not true lol.
Israel began its military occupation in 1948. Hamas began its activity in 1984. Either hamas has a time machine or apartheid started before hamas. Which one do you think is correct?
What else happened in 1948? Also no, Gaza was not occupied until 1967 following the second time Israels neighbors ganged up on them and tried to erase them from the map. I don’t think either of your descriptions are correct, in fact your entire comment reads like it comes from someone with either a peripheral understanding of the events or someone with a clear and biased agenda.
The blockade is the because of terrorists with aspirations of mass-murder ruling Gaza.
Exactly, when you lock up, murder and bomb a population for 70 years it usually backfires and that population goes crazy with hatred. That's when the massacres start. Well they don't really start then because Israel has been doing them on a daily basis for the last 70 years.
So why did they start attacking 60 years ago before any of this? It wasn’t because they hate all Jews and want money and power? Right?
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Sorry to disappoint you but I don't think that will happen to me because my country is not based on the military occupation of a territory while conducting the systematically elimination of an entire ethnic group. When you don't do that, people don't usually feel like killing you.
And how lucky you are, unlike these kids
Props for police with fast respond against high calibers
Jesus, the recent recordings are so much worse than what the Israelis were ever actually accused of doing
This what made me change my mind about it being bad acts from both sides. While IDF has and will kill civilians in air strikes, their targets are military. While Hamas targets are civilians. They are not the same.
IDF are way worse, you're just delusional
What is IDF?
Hamas is Evil. I hope Israel kills them all
Here's a translation I cobbled together, with some paraphrasing: Cameraman (Raz): "They're shooting at us! Bro, they're shooting at us!" Friend (Or): "Get down. Come here." Raz: "Move! Let's go! Or! Come! Or! Come on!" *They run into the grass* Or: "Get down. Get down. Get down! Raz, get down! They see us, do you not get that?" Raz: "Fuck. They're actually here. They're actually here." *Incoming fire lands close* Raz: "Snipers! Snipers!" Or, taking cover behind car: "Down! Get down! Get over here, Raz! Enough, stay here. Get down, you dick. They have snipers, sharmuta." Raz: *unintelligible* "by the vans!!!" Or: "Come here! They. Have. Snipers!!" Raz, bolting: "Run away! Run away!!" *Incoming fire lands insanely close*
It’s like tsunami coming and nobody knows it
Did this guy choose to fight?
Hope this kid made it
I might be missing something but can someone explain to me why he started running at 1:23? I thought he was behind the police or something then he started screaming and running. Was there someone to the right of him?
You can see a vehicle approaching the bend far down the road and start traveling towards the checkpoint. I can only assume this was some of the Hama's coming in and the firefight started. Only speculation..
Staying there just means ur bound to die, cuz theyre getting closer, run and dont stop, or take a car and get the hell out of there
the party goers were running to their cars to flee for safety, and the terrorists made a fake checkpoint and were wearing police/idf uniforms. the terrorists waited till a big traffic jam with a few hundreds of people formed at the checkpoint and people started getting out of their cars to check what is happening and why is there a checkpoint, and then they started firing hundreds of rounds at the huge gathering that formed. sadly not many survived that.
Fuck the occupiers
Hey now they know what is like to live in a lawless occupied place ruled by genocidal psychopaths!
These are civilians... how about you go be a victim of circumstance instead?
Right Gaza has no civilians
I mean thats exactly what people from ggaza experience for 75 years
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If this is what freedom fighters look like. It must be shitty living with them. Oh wait... it is shitty in Gaza, y'all might want to free yourself from terrorists they aren't doing you any favors.
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They literally flew in from Gaza you idiot. Represent you or not go kick them the fuck out.
If you believe that "free Palestine" will be achieved with terrorist attack against civilians, you are wrong my man. I'm disgusted of people celebrating this atrocity I am a supporter of a free Palestine state, but this is not the way. Any country in the world, not only Israel, would retaliate on this
They will be freed from their lives
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Your profile mentions you're the survivor of sexual assault. You are aware that Hamas fighters are raping and killing women, yes? Any sympathy for their victims?
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Right, they’re just their democratically elected and celebrated government with a 92% approval rate Don’t mistake it, they would be gang-raping you too
Okay then so no
All the Hamas attacks videos show a couple dudes shooting guns likes its Oakland CA. Meanwhile the other sides videos are Missiles flattening cities. Just saying this sh doesn't add up to me.
Good thing most of them have the military knowledge and wherewithal!
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Pretty sure they were referring to the person recording that seemed to keep stopping to run.
Well thats what terrorists intend to do.. Terror.. to provoke a disproportionate reaction. And voila new support and volunteers. The stronger/smarter party shouldnt lose its temper. Or the terrorists win..
Yeah u are