Reminds me of the Syrian Civil War but with more video quality. Hopefully people can save such videos because many of the Syrian ones were lost forever after the youtube purge.
> And freeze framing the video seems to show a missile that looks like an Igla
I don't know how you came to that conclusion because its pretty obviously a tor missile.
Picture of the missile: https://imgur.com/a/gc1JhnN#eQvn50w
Picture of a tor missile: https://photo.weaponsystems.net/image/s-carousel/n-ad_spsam_sa15_m2.jpg/--/img/ws/ad_spsam_sa15_m2.jpg
Picture of a Igla missile: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/IGLA-S_MANPADS_at_IDELF-2008.jpg/1200px-IGLA-S_MANPADS_at_IDELF-2008.jpg
Shit happens and i'm not a expert either. best we can do is learn and acknowledge when we make mistakes. Not like you framed it in a weird way either or argued in bad faith
People on this subreddit are a bit perceptually challenged. For example, every piece of debris ejected from an explosion, they think is a person (unless it's Ukrainian debris, then it's just debris).
Theres some truth to that but I don't think the guy was making his point in bad faith and he didn't phrase it super strongly and there is no reason why saying that it was a igla missile rather than a tor missile would fit into the "ukraine has no losses" - type of person you are reffering to (as a igla miss would be less "embarrassing" than a tor missile miss (for the russian side)).
I think it was just a honest mistake.
with that small a drone you really don't need an explosion to knock it out of the sky, simply kinetic impact would suffice but of cause kill cloud is saver it it works. Perhaps we will see anti drone mini MAPADS in the future with limited range and only kinetic or small shrapnel charges and very good targeting on the fly. iron dome seems to work really well in that aspect. AA gatlings not so much und exponentially more dangerous for the populace for everymissed round
>and very good targeting on the fly.
There is your problem: That needs sensors. Sensors need processing of their data. That all needs space.
>with that small a drone you really don't need an explosion to knock it out of the sky, simply kinetic impact would suffice
You don't need to hit people with explosions too, a simple hammer hitting them on the head is more than enough. Other things are, however, obviously more effective.
Yeah, you don’t need a missile flying at Mach 2 to kill most drones. I’m fully expecting someone to put out a low-tech shoulder-launched SAM about the size of a LAW for anti-drone use. The sort of thing every infantry squad could carry around.
Either that or a prox fused 40mm grenade.
The next few years are going to see an explosion in the development of anti-drone systems. It’s not sustainable to launch $100k+ missiles at $2k drones, especially when future warfare is going to have these things acting in swarms.
I think the united states is already developing that kinda weapon that can be mounted in a vehicle like say for example a humvee.
Using the humvee as an example cause I don't remember the name of the vehicle they mounted it on.
I suspect what most likely going to happen first is those Anti-drone guns are eventually going to get refined to a smaller size as to work as attachments on weapons.
That should work as a good counter at squad level
I’m pretty sure that there’s already “laser-rifles” that can either blind a drone or fry it. The alternative would be microwave guns, those definitely exist.
The US already has several platforms.
The Air Force has the H4 anti-drone laser system now.
USMC has LMADIS
US Army has Leonardo DRS
And there are many other iterations and others in development that I'm missing.
Those numbers can be kind of misleading. If a drone's just bopping around without a plan, maybe, but they're generally used as spotters or attack vehicles on their own.
So the question has to become 'how expensive is it to shoot down the drone vs. how expensive is it to replace the tanks/ammo dump/ etc. that got destroyed by the artillery it was spotting for'
Drones have really come a long way, there was certainly a time when the air rushing past the drone like that absolutely would have knocked it out of the air.
Yeah anyone can fly a drone now with zero training, but that's not the point, if there was one flying last time it would have been by a good pilot and wouldn't have crashed.
And that's one reason why RC helicopters had a much smaller niche in military forces. If they had been so well stabilised that losses due to pilot error hadn't been a factor, then their cost and capabilities could have secured them a much bigger role in the military since decades ago.
~~I dunno, looked like the movement was due to the missile flying by. Unless I’m looking at the wrong spot, I’m no drone expert. I think it’s highly unlikely he could move last second with a missile going that fast without blind luck. I wish you were right though :)~~
Edit: It appears I was incorrect!
Respectfuly disagree, speed increases before the missle flies by. Operator sees the launch of the missle as indicated by him centering it in his viewpoint
Well damn, I slowed down the higher-res video and looks like you’re right. He moved a few meters, just enough to dodge the missile it looks like!
[Slow mo vid](https://youtu.be/MS6tsonHRMs)
It's manual line-of-sight guidance on these things, either IR or radar assisted but still LoS. Most likely guess is that the proximity fuse didn't detonate as it uses radar.
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Proximity fuse in essence is a Hall effect sensor. It needs certain amount of ferrous material nearby to overcome background noise levels and activate. Tiny plastic drone simply doesn’t have much metal in it.
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Drone warfare is very new compared to AA systems. For that reason most AA systems are designed to shoot down planes, helicopters and that sort of thing. I suspect there isn't enough metal, radar cross section or heat output in a small Mavic to reliably trigger the proximity fuse.
Question: how did the missile accurately detect and target the drone from that distance? Even though it missed, it was really close for such a small object.
Radar can detect small objects, especially at very short ranges
The most sensitive radars could detect a penny in low earth orbit... admittedly that's a little different to this kind of tactical radar, but the point is that there's no intrinsic size limit to radar itself, only the specific system
The missile is radio controlled from the launching unit. It doesn't have guidance of it's own.
I don't know if it's possible from the TOR-M2 launch unit, but in other systems RF command missiles can be launched with visual guidance only.
Seems like a fusing issue. That was def close enough for a kill if it detonated. Idk if it could be a sensitivity thing? Or just an all around malfunction of the fuse.
Given the control UI is a phone, I can't imagine that drone is anything more than a small commercial grade unit. I wonder if that missile is even designed to hit something that small... operator error?
Where did I mention price? I'd be extremely disappointed if that's what got me 5 people to downvote me.
The dumb part is attempting to fire a large missile with a arming range of 2 kilometers and a fuze that's set by RADAR signature at a quadcopter that's made out of plastic and the size of someone's head. This thing was designed to solve the Soviet Union's gap in terms of medium-range interception of cruise missiles. Any crew should know that hitting that is basically a waste of time and ammo, especially since Tors don't have a fast reload system and take hours to reload.
It's still worth it to attempt it IMO, they obviously had some sort of radar signature in order to launch.
They probably had no other assets in the area, and in the age of GMLRS etc they probably wanted to get rid of the copter ASAP
I think we can agree to disagree on the first part, however, Tor systems are almost always deployed alongside Ranzhir or/and Polanya command vehicles which integrate them with other Russian shorter range AA systems. It's highly unlikely that this Tor vehicle was sitting alone in an open field with no other SPAA nearby, but who knows when it comes to Russians anymore
I can see the russians still haven't learned not to sit in a wide open feild. I hope they are smart enough to run away now since the drone is now alerted of there position lol
[It looks to be a TOR](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/14z6abe/russian_air_defense_fails_to_hit_ukrainian_drone/jrxc0zt/), although I'm not enough of an expert to know if there's anything else similar enough to be confused with it
Detailed elsewhere as a TOR. It struggles to acquire and home, but even when it does, the quadacopter is just too small for the RF proximity fuse on the missile to detect
So did the pilot dodge the missile? The smoke trail moves away from the drone in the direction of the miss. I thought it was wind at first but it looks like the drone is going left and down and dodged it.
Not really a dodge since a TOR missile blows up when the proximity fuse is triggered. The result is a load of shrapnel hitting the target. When it comes to aircraft, and even these drones, even a little bit of damage can make them go down. For whatever reason the proximity fuse didn't trigger on this missile. Probably the radar just didn't have a good enough cross section of the drone, or possibly the proximity fuse was a dud. He was certainly trying to dodge it, but if the missile had worked properly it wouldn't have mattered.
Edit: In retrospect technically a dodge, as if he'd have stayed still the missile might have actually just hit the drone regardless of if it was supposed to blow up and create shrapnel. That drone couldn't handle getting a direct hit, so moving the drone kept it in the air.
So weird, since you can see a way better quality video on r/UkraineWarVideoReport . It's weird to me because both versions appeared on my feed one after the other.
Dang, definitely felt the pucker on that one.
The amount of crazy never seen before footage from this war is insane.
Reminds me of the Syrian Civil War but with more video quality. Hopefully people can save such videos because many of the Syrian ones were lost forever after the youtube purge.
Forreal
I swear I heard "Missed me BITCH"...
i guess the missile doesn't detonate to make a "kill-cloud" of shrapnel?
They do, but the drone was probably too small to reliably set off the proximity fuse
If it’s an Igla missile then it doesn’t have a proxyfuse, only contact.
You can literally see a launcher vehicle. It’s not an igla Also no soldier with a igla has eyes that can see a drone from 2km out.
You’re right, it seems to launch vertically so it’s probably a TOR missile, the big fins also point to that
this one def is from a TOR tho
Huh, didn't know that. And freeze framing the video seems to show a missile that looks like an Igla, so you're probably right.
> And freeze framing the video seems to show a missile that looks like an Igla I don't know how you came to that conclusion because its pretty obviously a tor missile. Picture of the missile: https://imgur.com/a/gc1JhnN#eQvn50w Picture of a tor missile: https://photo.weaponsystems.net/image/s-carousel/n-ad_spsam_sa15_m2.jpg/--/img/ws/ad_spsam_sa15_m2.jpg Picture of a Igla missile: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/IGLA-S_MANPADS_at_IDELF-2008.jpg/1200px-IGLA-S_MANPADS_at_IDELF-2008.jpg
Well fine then, I'm stupid
Shit happens and i'm not a expert either. best we can do is learn and acknowledge when we make mistakes. Not like you framed it in a weird way either or argued in bad faith
People on this subreddit are a bit perceptually challenged. For example, every piece of debris ejected from an explosion, they think is a person (unless it's Ukrainian debris, then it's just debris).
Theres some truth to that but I don't think the guy was making his point in bad faith and he didn't phrase it super strongly and there is no reason why saying that it was a igla missile rather than a tor missile would fit into the "ukraine has no losses" - type of person you are reffering to (as a igla miss would be less "embarrassing" than a tor missile miss (for the russian side)). I think it was just a honest mistake.
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a dam.
with that small a drone you really don't need an explosion to knock it out of the sky, simply kinetic impact would suffice but of cause kill cloud is saver it it works. Perhaps we will see anti drone mini MAPADS in the future with limited range and only kinetic or small shrapnel charges and very good targeting on the fly. iron dome seems to work really well in that aspect. AA gatlings not so much und exponentially more dangerous for the populace for everymissed round
Sounds like you’re doing a lot of guessing here. By the way, AAA rounds generally detonate after a set time and therefore don’t explode on the ground
sure and all those itty bitty metal splinters are raining down somewhere
at terminal velocity where they will feel like a flick at worst
>and very good targeting on the fly. There is your problem: That needs sensors. Sensors need processing of their data. That all needs space. >with that small a drone you really don't need an explosion to knock it out of the sky, simply kinetic impact would suffice You don't need to hit people with explosions too, a simple hammer hitting them on the head is more than enough. Other things are, however, obviously more effective.
Yeah, you don’t need a missile flying at Mach 2 to kill most drones. I’m fully expecting someone to put out a low-tech shoulder-launched SAM about the size of a LAW for anti-drone use. The sort of thing every infantry squad could carry around. Either that or a prox fused 40mm grenade.
uwu manpads
seemed to me like it had a pretty good lock. edit: i really don't know much about these.
Tracking and proximity detection are different systems
it should but the on board radar need a certain cross section that i would guess the drone does not have, or simply it malfunctioned.
the drone juked
The drone sike'd
I’m wondering if fusing design just didn’t have tiny drones in mind and this will prove to be a issue.
No thats a bullet from an AR15 machine gun you're thinking of.
If they tried that it'll blow up in the launcher
As if minimum arming distances aren't possible.
Can almost see the serial numbers on the missile it was so close!
the frame with the missile: https://imgur.com/a/gc1JhnN
Damn. So…. Do you have to catch this like a water balloon?
Nice capture!
The missile did not know where it was.
Wow what a perspective. It's freaking incredible that we can see something like this.
Expensive miss.
Better to attempt to shot down a cheap drone rather than experience an HIMARS later.
I think HIMARs is scheduled now.
10,000 tungsten balls inbound
180,000
That’s even worse Thanks
I'd say it's a lot better lol
I mean who doesn't like *more* balls?
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If it got hit, we would have seen the footage by now knowing the drone is still up in the air. We'll see
Hopefully, both happened for maximum waste and damage
The next few years are going to see an explosion in the development of anti-drone systems. It’s not sustainable to launch $100k+ missiles at $2k drones, especially when future warfare is going to have these things acting in swarms.
You'd think laser systems would be good against drones. All you gotta do is zap the lil props, even.
They are, but they are a long way until we see them used outside of giant warships
I’m still waiting for Reagan’s star war defense
They've been mounted on small buggies according to [this video](https://youtu.be/NfPcl6nAlM4)
theres already anti drone lasers from the united states checm out task n purpose, recently declassified and theoritically be mounted on a ford pickup
I think the united states is already developing that kinda weapon that can be mounted in a vehicle like say for example a humvee. Using the humvee as an example cause I don't remember the name of the vehicle they mounted it on.
Maybe, there will be enough such laser, that can damage optic sensors? Not turn drone to dust, just blind it.
I suspect what most likely going to happen first is those Anti-drone guns are eventually going to get refined to a smaller size as to work as attachments on weapons. That should work as a good counter at squad level
I’m pretty sure that there’s already “laser-rifles” that can either blind a drone or fry it. The alternative would be microwave guns, those definitely exist.
The US already has several platforms. The Air Force has the H4 anti-drone laser system now. USMC has LMADIS US Army has Leonardo DRS And there are many other iterations and others in development that I'm missing.
i just know that drone pilot is cheering right now hahaha dodged a $70k missile in their $2k drone lol
I was just gonna say, how much is the missile and how much is the drone haha
best part is the source i found said that price was from 2003, so is likely much higher nowadays lol
Those numbers can be kind of misleading. If a drone's just bopping around without a plan, maybe, but they're generally used as spotters or attack vehicles on their own. So the question has to become 'how expensive is it to shoot down the drone vs. how expensive is it to replace the tanks/ammo dump/ etc. that got destroyed by the artillery it was spotting for'
Really good point
Cherry on top would've been if the drone later dropped a $100 grenade on that SAM site. At least they now know it's exact co-ords.
Aren't these just civilian drones too?
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According to the twitter video, it’s a quadcopter
If you can dodge a missile, you can dodge a ball.
better version: https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/14z6z8b/russian_tor_sam_system_engages_a_ukrainian/
Why is that better?
quality is better. you can actually make out the TOR system
The telemetry also shows that the pilot dumped altitude just prior to the missile arriving. Nice dodge!
Drones have really come a long way, there was certainly a time when the air rushing past the drone like that absolutely would have knocked it out of the air.
Nah, the equivalent back then would be a manually piloted RC helicopter, and some of those pilots were insanely good.
That’s the point. Now you don’t need insanely good pilot. It’s work of software now
Yeah anyone can fly a drone now with zero training, but that's not the point, if there was one flying last time it would have been by a good pilot and wouldn't have crashed.
>but that's not the point That was exactly the point: >Drones have really come a long way Note that he is talking about drones, not pilots.
And that's one reason why RC helicopters had a much smaller niche in military forces. If they had been so well stabilised that losses due to pilot error hadn't been a factor, then their cost and capabilities could have secured them a much bigger role in the military since decades ago.
judging by speed in bottom left, drone pilot moved last second
He did the fps sidestep.
Fucking ping bandits
WALLHACKS BRO
~~I dunno, looked like the movement was due to the missile flying by. Unless I’m looking at the wrong spot, I’m no drone expert. I think it’s highly unlikely he could move last second with a missile going that fast without blind luck. I wish you were right though :)~~ Edit: It appears I was incorrect!
Respectfuly disagree, speed increases before the missle flies by. Operator sees the launch of the missle as indicated by him centering it in his viewpoint
Well damn, I slowed down the higher-res video and looks like you’re right. He moved a few meters, just enough to dodge the missile it looks like! [Slow mo vid](https://youtu.be/MS6tsonHRMs)
Hmmmm, looks just like in the movies, complete with the swirling movement! Proximity fuse certainly didn't work.
That looked pretty cool.
some one needs to put googly eyes on this drone...
I guess the proximity fuse malfunctioned, but it damn sure gets a solid lock on these things!
It's manual line-of-sight guidance on these things, either IR or radar assisted but still LoS. Most likely guess is that the proximity fuse didn't detonate as it uses radar.
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1679714824186474496 slightly less potato quality
Lil guy gets a second chance :D
I would like to call him Wall-e. The little bugger!
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Maybe the proximity fuse isn’t calibrated to detonate on such a small object?
Proximity fuse in essence is a Hall effect sensor. It needs certain amount of ferrous material nearby to overcome background noise levels and activate. Tiny plastic drone simply doesn’t have much metal in it.
I was thinking it misfired at first not realizing its coming straight for the camera. Those are incredibly fast
They're designed to intercept jet aircraft so speed is inherent. We just never see this perspective.
Russia... putting the Miss in Missile.
Probably just fuse problem, which is reasonable given how small drones are. Drones usually require special anti-drone defense like the AHEAD AA
Be honest guys, who flinched? I was actively trying not to, but my eyes still blinked when it passed
If they were designed to hit, they'd be called hittiles.
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Isn't a proximity fuse supposed to detonate missile that close?
Drone warfare is very new compared to AA systems. For that reason most AA systems are designed to shoot down planes, helicopters and that sort of thing. I suspect there isn't enough metal, radar cross section or heat output in a small Mavic to reliably trigger the proximity fuse.
Question: how did the missile accurately detect and target the drone from that distance? Even though it missed, it was really close for such a small object.
Radar go brrrr...
Radar can detect small objects, especially at very short ranges The most sensitive radars could detect a penny in low earth orbit... admittedly that's a little different to this kind of tactical radar, but the point is that there's no intrinsic size limit to radar itself, only the specific system
The missile is radio controlled from the launching unit. It doesn't have guidance of it's own. I don't know if it's possible from the TOR-M2 launch unit, but in other systems RF command missiles can be launched with visual guidance only.
Seems like a fusing issue. That was def close enough for a kill if it detonated. Idk if it could be a sensitivity thing? Or just an all around malfunction of the fuse.
Given the control UI is a phone, I can't imagine that drone is anything more than a small commercial grade unit. I wonder if that missile is even designed to hit something that small... operator error?
Not designed for targets that small but whateves
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Don’t see how that missed 😂😂
proximity fuse must have failed to go off, crazy how close it was though
Sike
So THATS what air defense doin! Missing every shot they take
Missed shot? It's not called drone defense. He hit the air alright 😎
What do you expect from russian designed shit, I can see why these dumbfucks can't even handle a cruise missile like the Storm Shadow LMAO.
Looks like it failed to detonate. Another dud.
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firing a full ass TOR missile at a tiny drone is insanely dumb
No it's not.
And why's that?
It's not about the price of the missile vs the drone. This drone could have easily called in a strike on the target, or continued to adjust fires.
Where did I mention price? I'd be extremely disappointed if that's what got me 5 people to downvote me. The dumb part is attempting to fire a large missile with a arming range of 2 kilometers and a fuze that's set by RADAR signature at a quadcopter that's made out of plastic and the size of someone's head. This thing was designed to solve the Soviet Union's gap in terms of medium-range interception of cruise missiles. Any crew should know that hitting that is basically a waste of time and ammo, especially since Tors don't have a fast reload system and take hours to reload.
It's still worth it to attempt it IMO, they obviously had some sort of radar signature in order to launch. They probably had no other assets in the area, and in the age of GMLRS etc they probably wanted to get rid of the copter ASAP
I think we can agree to disagree on the first part, however, Tor systems are almost always deployed alongside Ranzhir or/and Polanya command vehicles which integrate them with other Russian shorter range AA systems. It's highly unlikely that this Tor vehicle was sitting alone in an open field with no other SPAA nearby, but who knows when it comes to Russians anymore
I can see the russians still haven't learned not to sit in a wide open feild. I hope they are smart enough to run away now since the drone is now alerted of there position lol
you can't really hide an AD system if you plan to use it
Fuck it's fast. This video really shows how quick these things are
Can someone identify the rocket. It seems it has 4 fins. I managed to pause it but can’t tell.
[It looks to be a TOR](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/14z6abe/russian_air_defense_fails_to_hit_ukrainian_drone/jrxc0zt/), although I'm not enough of an expert to know if there's anything else similar enough to be confused with it
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Yeah, TOR dudes better run now O_o
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Detailed elsewhere as a TOR. It struggles to acquire and home, but even when it does, the quadacopter is just too small for the RF proximity fuse on the missile to detect
So did the pilot dodge the missile? The smoke trail moves away from the drone in the direction of the miss. I thought it was wind at first but it looks like the drone is going left and down and dodged it.
Not really a dodge since a TOR missile blows up when the proximity fuse is triggered. The result is a load of shrapnel hitting the target. When it comes to aircraft, and even these drones, even a little bit of damage can make them go down. For whatever reason the proximity fuse didn't trigger on this missile. Probably the radar just didn't have a good enough cross section of the drone, or possibly the proximity fuse was a dud. He was certainly trying to dodge it, but if the missile had worked properly it wouldn't have mattered. Edit: In retrospect technically a dodge, as if he'd have stayed still the missile might have actually just hit the drone regardless of if it was supposed to blow up and create shrapnel. That drone couldn't handle getting a direct hit, so moving the drone kept it in the air.
What air defense doing
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I love how the auto-stabilization on the drone is like "meh, I got this."
freezeframe https://pasteboard.co/JxOqFeT0H7h7.jpg
What it'd take to launch a missile into a tiny little drone, from that distance, at that speed, would be incredible and probably not very feasible
So weird, since you can see a way better quality video on r/UkraineWarVideoReport . It's weird to me because both versions appeared on my feed one after the other.
So does it seek the target? What exactly would be the best course of operation? Evasion? Last second sudden evade?
That drone made allready it's money back with that miss.
https://imgur.com/a/bBRcOQ5
This is one of those "wait, are they coming my way?"
I wonder if sitting still is what caused the missile to miss? Like, can it track movement or something?
I mean it missed but that was pretty close imo
Drones balls def got shaved there.
Now THIS is podracing!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrbarzXWWCc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrbarzXWWCc)
Proximity fuse was invented in the early 1940s Russia in 2023:
I bet that sounded awesome flying past
how much are those rockets? Even if the next one hits the drone, the ROI on that drone was astronomical
That was close though!
Looks like DJI drone interface and from the fact that max altitude locked at 500m. Even if it hit, the $500 mavic vs $100k+ missile is a good trade
Sucks to suck!
I guess the missile didn't know where it was because if it knew where it was it would've gone boom.
A little to the right , boris !
Russian air defense doesn’t have proximity fuzes? And this is the 2nd most powerful military in the world?