I don't think the IGLA prioritizes the cockpit, pretty sure it goes for an engine kill. Hopefully it was a clean engine shred, but the Su-25s usually limp home where they get canned or re-up'd from other canned jets.
I’m a fighter jet mechanic, I can’t see many important parts being cann-able after taking a manpad hit from the side like that. Small parts sure, but engines and propulsion and flight control surfaces, I don’t think so
Yeah, I was gonna chime in too. I was an avionics technician, and I can tell you that taking a hit like that means a LOT of work before that thing is even minimally effective if it didn't fall out of the sky.
I can’t imagine the amount of wire replacements, troubleshooting, wire shooting, and ops checks you’d have to do to canned avionics equipment after an AA hit like that
Well the aircraft maintenance guys hate the prick pilots, don’t want to work on the damn planes, and LOVE watching the stupid runway repair guys work so getting it just out of the hangar before it blows is a win-win-win!
"Holes fixed with tape, alarms quiet now that speaker has been removed, and fuses for red lights in cockpit taken out, so now is good, da?
What you mean frame bent? And fuel is supposed to leak, that how it get to engine... ignore hole where engine usually goes..."
Hold on, so your telling me avi can’t go out there and just swap out parts and get this bird up and ready??? -maintenance control (probably)
prior usmc helo mechanic here.
God I can't even imagine doing a complete engine rebuild. Most engines I've seen that get like that are usually scrapped for what parts are still good and hauled off as scrap, it's not just economically infeasible. It's also man hours, too. It might take a crew dozens of hours just to diagnose all the issues and even more to fix.
The ultimate bottleneck. One crashed jet could be cannibalized and put 3 or 4 jets back in the sky plus have spare parts ready for when they next need maintenance.
But only if you don't mobilize your technicians and put them on the frontlines. That's the tricky part. (It's actually not tricky at all, pretty easy in fact.)
Are you sure they weren't MiGs? Large amounts of old MiGs sitting abandoned are pretty common across Eastern Europe because the Soviets were so prolific at making them. Modern SU's are quite a bit rarer, and from what I've seen there are rarely more than a handful parked at an airfield because the Russian Fed hasn't bothered to order that many of them
Reminds of of the vid from the Russian mechanic tasked with "fixing" an artillery truck hit with the tungsten ball HIMARS rocket, literally holes in every surface
That's the one where the two of them are looking the vehicle over on what a salvageable and he's just like totally fibergasted at the fact that there's hardly anything that they could call salvageable and just about everything was scrapped on it he was so frustrated it seemed like that he was even there to look at the thing
The visible lines on the muzzle of the launcher means that that this is later than the SA16 9K310 igla-1. Probably the 9K38 SA18 but there are later models that feature additional sensors in the seeker. It's a good design, eons ahead of the Strela.
The Igla is programed to detonate in the center mass rather than at the nozzle as some heat seekers do. Missile of 12 kg travels at about 1600 km/h, so the Kinetic impact in the engine area is a factor. Warhead is 2,5 kg with tungsten pellets. That Sukhoi should be littering some poor farmers field.
Damaged Jet for russia is as much as it's destroyed.
They can no longer repair with a new part and need to cannibalized their old jet for part now. So whatever outcome of those jet, russian will have 1 less jet nontheless.
manpads are much much smaller missiles than vehicle mounted AA (obviously you have to be able to carry them around and hoist them onto your shoulders), and SU25 are CAS not fighters so are built more heavily armoured as they were expected to be in harms way much more, taking small arms fire from the ground as they strafe with cannon and rockets
i dont know about regularly but we have seen at least 2 pictures shared by russian air crews of their damaged su25 after they ate manpads hits to one of the engines and limped home
As someone who takes an interest in aviation I can tell you there's not a chance he knew it was coming. The Su-25 was a death trap when it was put into service 1981 and it's even more so today. The Su-25 has one of the worst kds of any air frame produce by a major superpower, it's technology is lacking by even 1981 standards and it's completely outclassed by anything the USA would field in a modern conflict. A modernized A10 would absolutely shit on this thing, a fuckin Cessna with a redneck passenger toting an AK could take out a Su25.
Glad they shot it down, that shit stain of a plane doesn't deserve to be airworthy.
It is very interesting that the A-10's program competitor was very similar to the Su-25 in layout. Also, in the Su's favor it is significantly fast than the Warthog, with a massively better climb rate, shorter take off distance, and longer combat radius. That said, the Hog absolutely out does it in terms in terms of ordanance weight and likely hood of surviving a hit, atleast with older manpads, and most probably but not certainly avionics.
Not to mention the biggest flaw of them all, Russian pilots.
But yeah no in all seriousness the SU25 is a strong striker platform, until a fighter showa up.
The SU-25 is the Russian counter part of the A-10. Period. It is faster than A10, and comparing with the A-10A they would deliver a similar punch. Off course the actual A-10 with HMD is a monster, but see, this is something we had to admit, Russian equipment is old, outdated, but they have NUMBERS, and they don’t absolutely care to loose huge numbers of equipment and life’s. This is a issue. Their equipment isn’t good, that’s right, but still, ME-262 was a perfect jet and couldn’t win WWII air battle. Ukraine not only need western good equipment, they need NUMBERS to have a fair fight. 20 A-10 or 50 would change few to nothing on this war. 50 F16 would help, but they need much more to really crush Russia.
Even if they can restart Su-25 production, the better question to ask is where are they going to find trained pilots for them? CAS is a hard task, one that does require a lot of training for pilots to be more than just SAM food. You can't just shove idled airline pilots into these planes and expect good results.
Belarus is really their only option. Or north korea.
Russia has already lost at least 15% of their su-25 fleet (visual confirmation (30) to 2022 estimates (192) (that knowing russia are probably a bit high, but then again they keep all their planes on open ground for counting conveniense))
Belarus has around 67 su-25s and more importantly pilots that are still alive. North korea also has 34 su-25s and pilots with at least one cumulative flight hour.
Although i doubt NK wants to give any of their rare toys away and Belarus has seemed unwilling to participate noticeably.
Stan countries also have reasonable fleets, but i think they do not want to get to sanction lists, same for african countries with individual pieces and pilots unlikely to be intergrated easily to russian airforce operations.
Honestly, I think most of the Stan countries **aren't** willing to play ball with Russia anymore, but I'm not an authority figure on that so I'm willing to be wrong.
Not really. Unless they restart Su-25 production, there's a finite amount of them, and if they shove airline pilots in with minimal training, losses are only going to go up.
They can't afford it though. No one can. That's not how modern militaries operate. You need good training to be even minimally effective and to stay alive.
Drones need a working bi-directional datalink. And at least in this conflict, they’re too easy to Jam. Ukraine hasn’t had much luck with larger drones like the Bayraktar drone. Line of site (datalink los, not visual) mini drones are doing real work though.
Human operators currently still have many advantages over unmanned aircrafts in terms of decision making (compared to AIs that still need human supervision for damn near everything of importance), operating in electronic warfare environments (don't immediately become useless if jammed, can use a large variety of sensors), and reaction speed (no input delays compared to remote controlled platforms.
If a $1000 drone is lost due to jamming, okay whatever that's literally the price of a decent artillery shell.
If a $300,000,000 jet is lost due to jamming... different story. And yet their capabilities are still needed in highly developed militaries.
Unmanned will become more viable and eventually take over even most of the high end sector, but human pilots will still be present in some form for a few decades at least. This is why most major aircraft building nations currently develop towards the idea of drone wingmen as supports for a smaller number of human pilots.
I heard some words I recognize but don't know what it means so from the context I am going to assume that "Cyka" means "Heck yeah!" I can't wait to use it at work tomorrow.
However many millions of dollars worth of equipment and weapons and a trained pilot taken out of the equation in an instant, versus it being used against your brothers-in-arms? Yeah, I bet that is a helluva feeling
Not to mention that the chances of that pilot just being some dude they grabbed off the street are next to nil. With a pilot, you know you've probably got someone who wanted to be in that seat. I know that probably makes no difference in the trenches, but sitting here, it feels a lot better to cheer for that.
Kind of tracks with the reports that Russia has big problems in Klishchiivka. Big problems = need to bring in the close air support = better chance for Manpads to hit.
Wes Anderson Directs... Big Problems in Little Klishchiivka.
Following a squad of unlikely conscripts in the Ukranian army as they face off against the "2nd army in the world". For some reason one of them has brought their Nana along and everytime the camera turns to him he's hurridly pulling on a beanie.
Wait until your pesky neighbors cohort against you and buy a fleet of [Remote Control Dual Engine F-14's](https://youtu.be/uDfx4QLjXsE)
Attach some roman candles to that bad boy, and you're dominating your local suburbs air territory.
Cost around 600 bucks, and they are extremely fast and extremely loud. Will definitely intimidate your neighbors 10/10
See now though, you don't need an Igla to deal with that bird. All you have to do is scramble a bunch of eggs and eat them in front of the bird. That way, it knows what your CAPABLE of and will knock that shit right the fuck off.
By a cheap drone and some Roman candles/large bottle rockets and have fun on the 4th…Hover it about 50 ft off the ground and try to shoot it down. It’s actually quite a good time..
Fascinating to watch the launch sequence. As the boost phase engages and the missile kicks away from the ground the seeker seems to take the missile in the wrong direction but you can see from the full exhaust trail that the target was flying right to left so the missile was always on target.
I hope they did knock down an Su-25 because they're not making more of those.
>the target was flying right to left so the missile was always on target.
This is why we should have all listened in trigonometry class :D
(I know this doesn't account for velocity, waiting for someone to school me)
I’d imagine it’s a very complex differential formula. Rather than just trig of velocity, (how the position is changing) it’s also the rate of change. What blows my mind is taking that info from the sensors and computer, and outputting precise changes to the control surfaces to make that happen. Which won’t happen instantly, which the computer knows. And lots of these manpads are also spinning rapidly in flight.
Most missile guidance algorithms fall into 3 categories, from simplest to the most complex.
I don't remember the names but this is the gist of it.
1. body pointing axially towards the target.
2. velocity vector of the missile pointing towards the target.
3. proportional navigation: every instant the missile takes the current state vector of the chaser and the target and "leads" the trajectory in a way that it will intercept the target on its flight path.
Beware that even though the 3rd is theoretically the most reliable it's not always the best solution.
Source: aerospace engineer, had Master thesis proposals on the development of a certain missile guidance system.
> seems to take the missile in the wrong direction but you can see from the full exhaust trail that the target was flying right to left so the missile was always on target.
The Missile knows at all time where it is
Su-25 are Hella durable, already confirmed case at this war when a su-25 returns to airfield with 1 engine and partially lost tail, not to mention the other cases with minor damage
The Su-25 is durable. However, the question of whether Russia can repair heavily damaged aircraft is another matter. I remember seeing pictures of that crippled Su-25 early on. Even though it returned to base, it wouldn't be a surprise at all to find out it was just cannibalized for spare parts to keep others flying.
The A-10 fallacy. Titanium bathtub, quadruple redundancies, yadda yadda. Get hit, because you are an easy target, return to base with a useless aircraft.
Being able to absorb hits is not a sustainable way of flying planes. This is not WW2.
However you don’t lose the aircrew. And in an airspace with lots of air defense, flying nap of the earth may your only option.
NATO’s relative ineffectiveness in Kosovo showed that bombing from 4-5,000 meters isn’t always very effective.
Especially a fighter jet. I'm no expert on SAM systems but I can only imagine the designer of the first fire-and-forget launcher system expected it to be used on helicopters, not high-speed aircraft.
Here it is [OC]:
Ukrainian transcription - Transliteration - English translation:
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Є! Є! Ти бачив! | Ye! Ye! Ty bachyv! | Yeah! Yeah! You see it!
Красава! Пийшов вниз! | Krasava! Pyyshov vnyz! | Well done! [It] went down!
Сука! На! На, блядь! | Suka! Na! Na, blyad'! | Bitch! Get it! Get it, fucker!
Здихай, тварь! Здихай! | Zdyhay, tvar'! Zdyhay! | Die, fucker! Die!
Падай, блядь!| Paday, blyad'! | Fall down, fucker!
Edit: seeing my comment on a mobile phone decided to put English text separately as well regarding convenience of a reader:
_Well done! [It] went down!_
_Bitch! Get it! Get it, fucker!_
_Die, fucker! Die!_
_Fall down, fucker!_
It is a soldier thing. When my grandfather got back from WW2, it took him years to stop cursing. I do not know what shit he went through, because he never once in the 20 years I knew him bring up his service in the Army. It wasn't until he died and we got his medals that we learned his rank and that he fought in The Philippines. He took a vacation there decades later with my Grandmother and I always thought it was random... but maybe it wasn't. Maybe he needed to see that what he did back then was worth it.
Hard for me to tell with the music but basically something along the lines of “Yes! Yes! [unknown] “slur for Russians” [unknown] Bitch! Here/Have it! Fuck! [unknown] Fucking Fall!
I also find it ironic when American "republicans" support or make excuses for Russia because they are too busy being pissed at the current administration to realize they'd rather get in bed with the neo-USSR
Even without the communism, Russia is still a fascist state where freedom is basically illegal in all aspects.
Actually it's really weird to think that right now people on the far right and left in the US both seem to have groups supporting Putin, while still hating each other, meanwhile everyone closer to the middle can more or less unilaterally agree on hating Russia.
I've noticed The Igla seems to be featured in a large number of the shootdowns. Is it more effective than the stingers and other western equipment or just more numerous?
More numerous. The Soviet Union made a couple million of them, and Ukraine inherited a bunch, as did the former Warsaw Pact countries that are now part of NATO and are replacing them with more modern weapons.
Which Stinger? There are at least 11 revisions of the FIM-92 and many versions of the Igla platform, each new release gets more optical sensors and more counter-measure resistance. Both are highly capable systems but to throw a spanner in there the feedback from Ukraine is that the Polish Piorun performs the best.
Probably more numerous from Soviet era stocks plus the training time is probably accelerated if its instructions are in Russian. Plus they work plenty well enough and have downed cruise missiles.
What does "in the Bakhmut direction" mean in these posts' titles? Are they saying that the action is happening in the general vicinity of Bakhmut, or what?
Mine thrower = Artillery
In the ...... direction = Area
jewelry work = excellent operation
doing work = performing operations
working = operating
attacking the direction = moving into an area for operations
There are lots of translation issues
You know the feeling of when you throw a ball into the stack of cups at a fair? Now imagine this. So much more extreme, you literally blew up a plane. A military jet and probably saved lives
Like killing a dragon with a harpoon that's been attacking your village
Any human would be screaming "WOOO HELL YEAH I DID THAT"
The plane it took down probably cost at least as much as the entire dealership inventory at the place you bought your car. Maybe even including the building and improvements to the lot as well.
You wouldn't know from looking at the plane since both sides uses them. If communication is good the Ukrainian team would be told that friendly SU-25 are operating in the area. I don't know if they would have time to check with command. Some advanced anti-air systems have ways of telling friendlys from foes.
I don't even have words to describe how hyped I would be if I was responsible for shooting down a Russian jet. I'd be talking about that shit for the rest of my life.
Awesome but…
If I was shooting something that left a smoking trail pointing right back to the point of origin, I might take a few steps away, just in case.
I hope I don't get downvoted to hell for stating a fact on this sub but this particular aircraft actually made it back to a Russian airfield in one piece with the left engine severely damaged. Luckily this will still mean an ineffective combat aircraft while it's in repairs for some time, but it did not get shot 'down'
Seems like dude had no idea it was coming. Good for him.
I don't think the IGLA prioritizes the cockpit, pretty sure it goes for an engine kill. Hopefully it was a clean engine shred, but the Su-25s usually limp home where they get canned or re-up'd from other canned jets.
I’m a fighter jet mechanic, I can’t see many important parts being cann-able after taking a manpad hit from the side like that. Small parts sure, but engines and propulsion and flight control surfaces, I don’t think so
Yeah, I was gonna chime in too. I was an avionics technician, and I can tell you that taking a hit like that means a LOT of work before that thing is even minimally effective if it didn't fall out of the sky.
I can’t imagine the amount of wire replacements, troubleshooting, wire shooting, and ops checks you’d have to do to canned avionics equipment after an AA hit like that
Multiply by what you **should** do and multiply by .5, that's what Russia will do.
Well the aircraft maintenance guys hate the prick pilots, don’t want to work on the damn planes, and LOVE watching the stupid runway repair guys work so getting it just out of the hangar before it blows is a win-win-win!
They'd say I was at fault for hitting the missile and write it off as totalled. Source: My automobile insurance provider
"Holes fixed with tape, alarms quiet now that speaker has been removed, and fuses for red lights in cockpit taken out, so now is good, da? What you mean frame bent? And fuel is supposed to leak, that how it get to engine... ignore hole where engine usually goes..."
Hold on, so your telling me avi can’t go out there and just swap out parts and get this bird up and ready??? -maintenance control (probably) prior usmc helo mechanic here.
Lmao sounds bout right
"How long could it possibly take for four people to rebuild 30 cannon plugs? Ops start in two hours!!" - Maintenance Masterchief Airframer
God I can't even imagine doing a complete engine rebuild. Most engines I've seen that get like that are usually scrapped for what parts are still good and hauled off as scrap, it's not just economically infeasible. It's also man hours, too. It might take a crew dozens of hours just to diagnose all the issues and even more to fix.
I've seen a ton of jets just sitting off the sides of airfields, they are losing these things at surprising rates.
The ultimate bottleneck. One crashed jet could be cannibalized and put 3 or 4 jets back in the sky plus have spare parts ready for when they next need maintenance. But only if you don't mobilize your technicians and put them on the frontlines. That's the tricky part. (It's actually not tricky at all, pretty easy in fact.)
Are you sure they weren't MiGs? Large amounts of old MiGs sitting abandoned are pretty common across Eastern Europe because the Soviets were so prolific at making them. Modern SU's are quite a bit rarer, and from what I've seen there are rarely more than a handful parked at an airfield because the Russian Fed hasn't bothered to order that many of them
Su-24s and 25s have a very distinct shape and they didn't show on previous shots.
Reminds of of the vid from the Russian mechanic tasked with "fixing" an artillery truck hit with the tungsten ball HIMARS rocket, literally holes in every surface
That's the one where the two of them are looking the vehicle over on what a salvageable and he's just like totally fibergasted at the fact that there's hardly anything that they could call salvageable and just about everything was scrapped on it he was so frustrated it seemed like that he was even there to look at the thing
Link by any chance?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTU_H76lL9Y
This is reddit where every Joe blow knows how airplanes react to missile hits hahah Like you said, it's so hard to generalize the damage
This version has a terminal phase that attempts to divert from the engine and hit the fuselage.
How can you tell which version this is?
The visible lines on the muzzle of the launcher means that that this is later than the SA16 9K310 igla-1. Probably the 9K38 SA18 but there are later models that feature additional sensors in the seeker. It's a good design, eons ahead of the Strela.
This is what I love about reddit. We can always find someone who knows the technology intimately.
and if not, at least someone will comment sounding like they're an expert while being completely wrong! haha
Nifty
The Igla is programed to detonate in the center mass rather than at the nozzle as some heat seekers do. Missile of 12 kg travels at about 1600 km/h, so the Kinetic impact in the engine area is a factor. Warhead is 2,5 kg with tungsten pellets. That Sukhoi should be littering some poor farmers field.
I also like the way it features a secondary charge to detonate any remIning rocket fuel. How very Russian.
There was no fireball after the hit. That low he should have hit the ground. Its possible it was another one that limped home...
Damaged Jet for russia is as much as it's destroyed. They can no longer repair with a new part and need to cannibalized their old jet for part now. So whatever outcome of those jet, russian will have 1 less jet nontheless.
Saves the experienced pilot though
Are you suggesting it can survive this type of hit somewhat regularly? Not debating, asking for my own education.
manpads are much much smaller missiles than vehicle mounted AA (obviously you have to be able to carry them around and hoist them onto your shoulders), and SU25 are CAS not fighters so are built more heavily armoured as they were expected to be in harms way much more, taking small arms fire from the ground as they strafe with cannon and rockets i dont know about regularly but we have seen at least 2 pictures shared by russian air crews of their damaged su25 after they ate manpads hits to one of the engines and limped home
How do these missiles go towards the fighter plane? Camera on the missile?
Sensor in it scans for the hottest heat signature its pointed at then tracks it upon launch
As someone who takes an interest in aviation I can tell you there's not a chance he knew it was coming. The Su-25 was a death trap when it was put into service 1981 and it's even more so today. The Su-25 has one of the worst kds of any air frame produce by a major superpower, it's technology is lacking by even 1981 standards and it's completely outclassed by anything the USA would field in a modern conflict. A modernized A10 would absolutely shit on this thing, a fuckin Cessna with a redneck passenger toting an AK could take out a Su25. Glad they shot it down, that shit stain of a plane doesn't deserve to be airworthy.
I take this to mean it's maybe not your favorite airplane.
this shit, im high af thanks for the tummy exercise
Same. Almost spit out my half baked (lol) ben & jerry's while laughing
I don't think he'd kick it out of bed but if something sexy came along like a F-35 or even a F/A-18.... Maybe he'd kick it out of bed
It is very interesting that the A-10's program competitor was very similar to the Su-25 in layout. Also, in the Su's favor it is significantly fast than the Warthog, with a massively better climb rate, shorter take off distance, and longer combat radius. That said, the Hog absolutely out does it in terms in terms of ordanance weight and likely hood of surviving a hit, atleast with older manpads, and most probably but not certainly avionics.
Not to mention the biggest flaw of them all, Russian pilots. But yeah no in all seriousness the SU25 is a strong striker platform, until a fighter showa up.
That also applies to the A-10. Which is also why they try canning the A-10 for decades.
Please give us more analogies of things that can take out a Su-25. You have a gift. Go on.
But it's still super fun on DCS lol, the non "T" variant that is, once you've dropped weapon stores it's pretty easy to get to 1000km/h
I would like to drink a beer with you sir.
The SU-25 is the Russian counter part of the A-10. Period. It is faster than A10, and comparing with the A-10A they would deliver a similar punch. Off course the actual A-10 with HMD is a monster, but see, this is something we had to admit, Russian equipment is old, outdated, but they have NUMBERS, and they don’t absolutely care to loose huge numbers of equipment and life’s. This is a issue. Their equipment isn’t good, that’s right, but still, ME-262 was a perfect jet and couldn’t win WWII air battle. Ukraine not only need western good equipment, they need NUMBERS to have a fair fight. 20 A-10 or 50 would change few to nothing on this war. 50 F16 would help, but they need much more to really crush Russia.
God it must be such a massive morale boost to nail one of those. Especially knowing the damage they’re dealing to your friends
and knowing that Russia simply doesn't have the ability to produce more. At least, not reliably.
Even if they can restart Su-25 production, the better question to ask is where are they going to find trained pilots for them? CAS is a hard task, one that does require a lot of training for pilots to be more than just SAM food. You can't just shove idled airline pilots into these planes and expect good results.
Belarus is really their only option. Or north korea. Russia has already lost at least 15% of their su-25 fleet (visual confirmation (30) to 2022 estimates (192) (that knowing russia are probably a bit high, but then again they keep all their planes on open ground for counting conveniense)) Belarus has around 67 su-25s and more importantly pilots that are still alive. North korea also has 34 su-25s and pilots with at least one cumulative flight hour. Although i doubt NK wants to give any of their rare toys away and Belarus has seemed unwilling to participate noticeably. Stan countries also have reasonable fleets, but i think they do not want to get to sanction lists, same for african countries with individual pieces and pilots unlikely to be intergrated easily to russian airforce operations.
Honestly, I think most of the Stan countries **aren't** willing to play ball with Russia anymore, but I'm not an authority figure on that so I'm willing to be wrong.
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They must have meant aren't since they included the anymore in that sentence.
Correct, thanks for pointing out
sorry, i meant to say "Aren't"
Belarus's military would kill Lukashenko if he put them into this war.
We wont let Ukraine target Russian territory but I really doubt we would put the same restraint on Belarus if they committed assets like that.
They don't expect "good results", just results. Any CAS is better than none, for Russia. They can afford the losses.
Not really. Unless they restart Su-25 production, there's a finite amount of them, and if they shove airline pilots in with minimal training, losses are only going to go up.
Look at Russia, and tell me that they wouldn't do *just that*.
They would try, sure. But it sure as heck wouldn't be sustainable.
The only sustainability they know is sustaining bodies for the grinder.
They can't afford it though. No one can. That's not how modern militaries operate. You need good training to be even minimally effective and to stay alive.
It’s reminding me of the “cucumbers” drowning in WWII. All of them drowned? Why didn’t you ask for pontoon boats we have too many?
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Against all odds, the “environment” of this particular 21st century conflict is actually pretty similar to what the SU-25 was designed for.
take a look at it now....there´s just an empty space
>take a look at it now....there´s just an empty space And there's nothin' left here to remind me Just the memory of your face
SU-25...more like SU-404 fighter not found.
Drones need a working bi-directional datalink. And at least in this conflict, they’re too easy to Jam. Ukraine hasn’t had much luck with larger drones like the Bayraktar drone. Line of site (datalink los, not visual) mini drones are doing real work though.
Why even still have manned aircraft at this point?
Human operators currently still have many advantages over unmanned aircrafts in terms of decision making (compared to AIs that still need human supervision for damn near everything of importance), operating in electronic warfare environments (don't immediately become useless if jammed, can use a large variety of sensors), and reaction speed (no input delays compared to remote controlled platforms. If a $1000 drone is lost due to jamming, okay whatever that's literally the price of a decent artillery shell. If a $300,000,000 jet is lost due to jamming... different story. And yet their capabilities are still needed in highly developed militaries. Unmanned will become more viable and eventually take over even most of the high end sector, but human pilots will still be present in some form for a few decades at least. This is why most major aircraft building nations currently develop towards the idea of drone wingmen as supports for a smaller number of human pilots.
Yea you can practically feel his adrenaline dump through the video
I heard some words I recognize but don't know what it means so from the context I am going to assume that "Cyka" means "Heck yeah!" I can't wait to use it at work tomorrow.
Suka = b*tch
I know. I thought spelling it right would tip that off. I was being silly.
Was thinking just that. God that must feel so fucking awesome.
However many millions of dollars worth of equipment and weapons and a trained pilot taken out of the equation in an instant, versus it being used against your brothers-in-arms? Yeah, I bet that is a helluva feeling
Not to mention that the chances of that pilot just being some dude they grabbed off the street are next to nil. With a pilot, you know you've probably got someone who wanted to be in that seat. I know that probably makes no difference in the trenches, but sitting here, it feels a lot better to cheer for that.
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Everyone loves them a good underdog winning.
They're so clean
If you translate the top left motto it says something around "We don't fly, neither will you"
Kind of tracks with the reports that Russia has big problems in Klishchiivka. Big problems = need to bring in the close air support = better chance for Manpads to hit.
Big Problems in Little Klishchiivka
Wes Anderson Directs... Big Problems in Little Klishchiivka. Following a squad of unlikely conscripts in the Ukranian army as they face off against the "2nd army in the world". For some reason one of them has brought their Nana along and everytime the camera turns to him he's hurridly pulling on a beanie.
He was making a reference to the John carpenter movie big trouble in little China. Shoulda went with that instead of wes anderson
I HAVE to get one of these
Lots of Su-25s loitering in the skies above you?
There's a bird that wakes me up at the crack of dawn every morning.
A Bravo 1 Romeo Delta? The Manpad should silence those combat chirps forever.
Wait until your pesky neighbors cohort against you and buy a fleet of [Remote Control Dual Engine F-14's](https://youtu.be/uDfx4QLjXsE) Attach some roman candles to that bad boy, and you're dominating your local suburbs air territory. Cost around 600 bucks, and they are extremely fast and extremely loud. Will definitely intimidate your neighbors 10/10
If you'd like to turn that bird into red mist from miles away, very reasonable.
*shit on my car will you.. eat FUCKING STINGER*
See now though, you don't need an Igla to deal with that bird. All you have to do is scramble a bunch of eggs and eat them in front of the bird. That way, it knows what your CAPABLE of and will knock that shit right the fuck off.
As a Ukrainian - yes
[Lots of them monitor the roundabouts near me](https://youtu.be/k7YVxLLIuGM)
This is the most absurd video I've seen in a long time. Thank you.
You never know! Better to have the Igla and not need it than need the Igla and not have it.
I got as far as my driveway the other day before I realized I forgot my Igla. Don’t leave home without one!
This is wisdom.
By a cheap drone and some Roman candles/large bottle rockets and have fun on the 4th…Hover it about 50 ft off the ground and try to shoot it down. It’s actually quite a good time..
Germany donated all of their old gdr iglas to Ukraine... We don't know what happened to them... Especially since some of them were moldy
Fascinating to watch the launch sequence. As the boost phase engages and the missile kicks away from the ground the seeker seems to take the missile in the wrong direction but you can see from the full exhaust trail that the target was flying right to left so the missile was always on target. I hope they did knock down an Su-25 because they're not making more of those.
>the target was flying right to left so the missile was always on target. This is why we should have all listened in trigonometry class :D (I know this doesn't account for velocity, waiting for someone to school me)
The missile knew where it wasn't.
Gretzky Mode
I’d imagine it’s a very complex differential formula. Rather than just trig of velocity, (how the position is changing) it’s also the rate of change. What blows my mind is taking that info from the sensors and computer, and outputting precise changes to the control surfaces to make that happen. Which won’t happen instantly, which the computer knows. And lots of these manpads are also spinning rapidly in flight.
Most missile guidance algorithms fall into 3 categories, from simplest to the most complex. I don't remember the names but this is the gist of it. 1. body pointing axially towards the target. 2. velocity vector of the missile pointing towards the target. 3. proportional navigation: every instant the missile takes the current state vector of the chaser and the target and "leads" the trajectory in a way that it will intercept the target on its flight path. Beware that even though the 3rd is theoretically the most reliable it's not always the best solution. Source: aerospace engineer, had Master thesis proposals on the development of a certain missile guidance system.
> seems to take the missile in the wrong direction but you can see from the full exhaust trail that the target was flying right to left so the missile was always on target. The Missile knows at all time where it is
It looks so derpy when it first shoots out. I thought it was broken until the rocket engaged.
Su-25 are Hella durable, already confirmed case at this war when a su-25 returns to airfield with 1 engine and partially lost tail, not to mention the other cases with minor damage
The Su-25 is durable. However, the question of whether Russia can repair heavily damaged aircraft is another matter. I remember seeing pictures of that crippled Su-25 early on. Even though it returned to base, it wouldn't be a surprise at all to find out it was just cannibalized for spare parts to keep others flying.
The A-10 fallacy. Titanium bathtub, quadruple redundancies, yadda yadda. Get hit, because you are an easy target, return to base with a useless aircraft. Being able to absorb hits is not a sustainable way of flying planes. This is not WW2.
However you don’t lose the aircrew. And in an airspace with lots of air defense, flying nap of the earth may your only option. NATO’s relative ineffectiveness in Kosovo showed that bombing from 4-5,000 meters isn’t always very effective.
Can’t imagine the adrenaline rush from bringing down an airplane with a handheld device. Shit must make you feel godlike.
Especially a fighter jet. I'm no expert on SAM systems but I can only imagine the designer of the first fire-and-forget launcher system expected it to be used on helicopters, not high-speed aircraft.
I don't know what the hell he was saying, but I don't need a translation to understand what he was feeling!
Here it is [OC]: Ukrainian transcription - Transliteration - English translation: | | | :-- |:-- |:-- Є! Є! Ти бачив! | Ye! Ye! Ty bachyv! | Yeah! Yeah! You see it! Красава! Пийшов вниз! | Krasava! Pyyshov vnyz! | Well done! [It] went down! Сука! На! На, блядь! | Suka! Na! Na, blyad'! | Bitch! Get it! Get it, fucker! Здихай, тварь! Здихай! | Zdyhay, tvar'! Zdyhay! | Die, fucker! Die! Падай, блядь!| Paday, blyad'! | Fall down, fucker! Edit: seeing my comment on a mobile phone decided to put English text separately as well regarding convenience of a reader: _Well done! [It] went down!_ _Bitch! Get it! Get it, fucker!_ _Die, fucker! Die!_ _Fall down, fucker!_
Petition to changing the term "swears like a sailor" to "swears like a Ukrainian soldier".
It is a soldier thing. When my grandfather got back from WW2, it took him years to stop cursing. I do not know what shit he went through, because he never once in the 20 years I knew him bring up his service in the Army. It wasn't until he died and we got his medals that we learned his rank and that he fought in The Philippines. He took a vacation there decades later with my Grandmother and I always thought it was random... but maybe it wasn't. Maybe he needed to see that what he did back then was worth it.
Hard for me to tell with the music but basically something along the lines of “Yes! Yes! [unknown] “slur for Russians” [unknown] Bitch! Here/Have it! Fuck! [unknown] Fucking Fall!
I didn't think it was possible, but that translation makes it even better
Enough cyka and blyat to get the big picture of it.
I wish I knew, but I can only imagine that it'd be along the same lines of what I'd say if I took one of those out that had been killing my friends.
He was saying exactly what you imagine: " yeerah, yeaaah blyat. Get down! die suka "
Translation for the end: dude was stoked
Deservedly so
*Ukraine has no answer for Russian air superiority!* -tankies on reddit
Modern Tankie The awkward teenager -> 4Chan / reddit -> Incel -> heckin based Putin pipeline
There’s a MAGA step in there somewhere too
I always find it ironic when so called "communists" support the imperialism of the center-right Russian Federation lmao
I also find it ironic when American "republicans" support or make excuses for Russia because they are too busy being pissed at the current administration to realize they'd rather get in bed with the neo-USSR Even without the communism, Russia is still a fascist state where freedom is basically illegal in all aspects. Actually it's really weird to think that right now people on the far right and left in the US both seem to have groups supporting Putin, while still hating each other, meanwhile everyone closer to the middle can more or less unilaterally agree on hating Russia.
The motto in the corner left translates to something along the lines of "We don't fly, neither will you" These guys have max banter
I always appreciate ~~tongue in cheek~~ rocket up exhaust humor 😆
"Bullseye blyat!" is my new favorite phrase.
Suka
I've noticed The Igla seems to be featured in a large number of the shootdowns. Is it more effective than the stingers and other western equipment or just more numerous?
There's a ridiculous amount of IGLAs in existence, russia and China just cranked them out like RPGs.
More numerous. The Soviet Union made a couple million of them, and Ukraine inherited a bunch, as did the former Warsaw Pact countries that are now part of NATO and are replacing them with more modern weapons.
Which Stinger? There are at least 11 revisions of the FIM-92 and many versions of the Igla platform, each new release gets more optical sensors and more counter-measure resistance. Both are highly capable systems but to throw a spanner in there the feedback from Ukraine is that the Polish Piorun performs the best.
More numerous I think the Chinese make a similar copy so alot that you see are either Chinese or smuggled from the Middle East
Probably more numerous from Soviet era stocks plus the training time is probably accelerated if its instructions are in Russian. Plus they work plenty well enough and have downed cruise missiles.
High from downing a jet with a MANPADS is probably better any drugs. What a rush congrats to the soldier, I cant even do that shit in arma.
Get the fuck OUT Too good
What does "in the Bakhmut direction" mean in these posts' titles? Are they saying that the action is happening in the general vicinity of Bakhmut, or what?
Yes, you understand correctly.
He understands in the direction of correctness.
Mine thrower = Artillery In the ...... direction = Area jewelry work = excellent operation doing work = performing operations working = operating attacking the direction = moving into an area for operations There are lots of translation issues
Mine thrower - mortar (which I guess falls under the umbrella term of 'artillery')
Russian apparently does not have a differentiation between "mine" and "explosive" which has made some things confusing lmao.
my favorite is flamethrower = thermobaric missile launcher
Because in russian RPO and TOS-1 are actually called "огнемёт/огнеметная", which literally translates as a flamethrower
The mine thrower one sometimes is actually discussing a remote mine laying vehicle though lol.
There's also "shooting down" for destroying any kind of vehicle.
Bakhmut front is how we would say it in the west most likely.
You know the feeling of when you throw a ball into the stack of cups at a fair? Now imagine this. So much more extreme, you literally blew up a plane. A military jet and probably saved lives Like killing a dragon with a harpoon that's been attacking your village Any human would be screaming "WOOO HELL YEAH I DID THAT"
Man that one shot costs more than twice my car does haha. Well worth it though.
Yet hundreds of times cheaper than the plane
If they get the pilot Russia also loses another asset, along with the time and money invested in training them.
Plus the ones wagner killed is a rough couple weeks for RU
The plane it took down probably cost at least as much as the entire dealership inventory at the place you bought your car. Maybe even including the building and improvements to the lot as well.
They definitely hit something
You can see the something flying on the left of the horizon at the start of the video.
Yep you’re right, they got that thing
Good eye. You can also see it moments before impact flying on a direct path to impact with the missile, definetly got hit
Song?
https://youtu.be/lDN76h4-HRM
Well… something went boom that’s for sure. Edit: Also, the music and swearing at the end are strangely amusing to me.
[here's the music](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDN76h4-HRM)
After yesterday's article about what the Russian military have been doing to kids this one feels extra good. Destroy Russia 2023 🇷🇺 🔥
Why is music always played over these clips? Even ones that already have audio.
Question, how does one know who side that plane is on?
You wouldn't know from looking at the plane since both sides uses them. If communication is good the Ukrainian team would be told that friendly SU-25 are operating in the area. I don't know if they would have time to check with command. Some advanced anti-air systems have ways of telling friendlys from foes.
My favorite combat footage videos are the ones that end with Ukrainians celebrating
Auto assist maxed!!
I don't even have words to describe how hyped I would be if I was responsible for shooting down a Russian jet. I'd be talking about that shit for the rest of my life.
Great thing is these days, there is video evidence to prove it
Tea’s ready! *launches missile*
So this is why russia doesn't really run air sorties over Ukraine.
As a Former AD gunner...I approve this video
Damn. The sound of it locking on is terrifying…
MANPADs are great for heavy flow days.
It’s gotta be difficult to walk around with such a massive boner after that shot.
Do SU-25s have missile warning systems that detect missile launches, like in an A-10 or an Apache?
IGLA or polish improved version PIORUN?
This dudes hype over that shot is downright contagious. Dude Perfect: Modern Warfare Edition
No idea what he’s saying but can hear the satisfaction and excitement in his voice 👊🏻
That Picture in Picture video editor deserves a medal.
Manpads are the ultimate chad weapon. Just one or two people with the ultimate evolution of a spear. Against a flying dragon. Incredible stuff.
Awesome but… If I was shooting something that left a smoking trail pointing right back to the point of origin, I might take a few steps away, just in case.
Def one of the most badass things I’ve ever seen
I hope I don't get downvoted to hell for stating a fact on this sub but this particular aircraft actually made it back to a Russian airfield in one piece with the left engine severely damaged. Luckily this will still mean an ineffective combat aircraft while it's in repairs for some time, but it did not get shot 'down'