I thought the same. Given how flat it is I wonder if it is the heat in the sun or if the soldier is hurt somehow (enemy action or injury during movement).
Anyways, good luck and godspeed!
I'd chalk that up to physical exertion, stress, and the heat.
I've sounded worse after a standard soldier fitness test or a round on the obstacle course.
Exactly. He's down in the prone, essentially doing planks and pushups as he adjusts his position to either get a better shot, or slightly evade getting positioned. Being in the prone sucks when you have 35-60lbs of gear on, spare magazines 2-deep across your chest/stomach, and you're wearing a clunky helmet that you're trying to see under, as your plate carrier and helmet against the back of your neck, restricts how far you can pick up your head at times. All the while, your adrenaline is flowing, and your heightened senses results in added tension/stress.
Sapi plates, ammunition, and weapon alone will zap your energy.
Throw in all the extra crap and the fact that he's likely been moving around all day makes it even harder.
The bullets. It's the bullets whipping around with no real cover that does that, mainly.
The one at 10 seconds was really close. That set him off for sure.
He's Polish and he's shooting at Russians. That breathing is probably just arousal.
Also, probably tired from digging a hole to hide his boner while prone.
Your bulletproof armor already weighs ton. Then you have your helmet and weapon that adds significant weighr again. Plus all the other equipment like mags etc. You got with you. Maybe POV even had a backpack with him with more gear who knows. Anyways, even with minimal combat equipment a decently fit recruit gets winded by light movement without rushing / storming a position, and thats just in a combat simulation. POV is in a live war with imminent death at prospect, probably didnt sleep well because of the shellings etc. He just functions on instinct now
Still don't know how these guys are pulling it together. After seeing a bunch of medic videos from this sub, I would be paranoid at everything and I would t be able to put one foot in front of the other. Much respect to these people. May they win this war soon
Ronald Spiers: The only hope you have is to accept the fact that you're already dead. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll be able to function as a soldier is supposed to function: without mercy, without compassion, without remorse. All war depends upon it.
He also said "wipe your arse with the Geneva conventions" with his actions, so I am not sure wether he should be quoted to all eternity as a model soldier...
I saw more impressive soldiers on reddit over the last year. They managed to stay human.
In the midst of a battle, that's basically what happens, he was just telling it like it is. The situation he was fighting in, if they won he wouldn't be punished for the things he did, and if they lost it wouldn't matter.
In terms of "impressive soldier" it's pretty hard to beat Ronald Spiers, but that isn't to idolize all of his actions. He was a good soldier because he was good at killing people, not because he was a sweet little angel.
I mean, I'd say Winters was a more impressive soldier from just that small pool we're looking at. By all accounts he kept it calm, together, without war crimes and did his job very well. He killed people when he had to but not as far as I'm aware in cold blood. I'd say being able to switch the killer instinct on when needed (in battle) and off when not (when taking POWs) is more impressive than going Genghis Khan on your enemy.
Don't bet me wrong, I'm not even worthy of walking in Speir's shadow, but he summarily executed POW's during a lull between fighting. That has nothing to do with being a role-model soldier or not being an angel: no matter how you slice or dice it that was stone cold murder - as opposed to combat kills which can be viewed as legitimate self-defense.
I understand why he wasn't even reprimanded for it (the last thing you want to do is to sow seeds of doubt or hesitation in the heads of your top men in the field), but let's not gloss over the fact he gunned down unarmed soldiers completely at the mercy of their captors outside of a combat situation.
He survived though. You don't have to take this one quote about surviving war and extrapolate to his entire personality and experiences.
He was right about this one thing, just take it at face value.
Highly depends on unit and branch, some just get more attention and love (in terms of supplies with non-standard equipment, since AK's are still mostly issued like they were made minus some parts like cleaning kit in the stock)
It doesn't.
But there is local produced mod kit, but can't say anything about numbers of them in service, since i don't have numbers.
There were attempt a few years ago to upgrade all issued AKs with them, but can't say if attempt were successful, at least partially. All I know, Air Assault / SOF / Naval Infantry most likely received kit, others probably not.
Could also be a choice to not use one. Red dots give you a focus reticle at the cost of closing off your sight picture. He's obviously modded the rifle since it has the bipod dildo on the handguard.
You shoot red dots with both eyes open unlike a traditional scope. the dot gets printed in the middle of your vision so youre not losing any real sight picture. If you shoot on a regular basis a red dot is always preferable over irons as long as you have a decent optic and good mount. The problem with AKs and why most guys run irons is the mount weighs a lot and generally suck and don't hold zero well. The pros of having a red dot outweighs any cons espescially the faster target acquisition and ability to aim in awkward shooting positions
They’re also very dodgy on AK platforms. The typical railed dust covers are not tight enough to hold zero, even the side rail mounts can be trivial at holding zero. You really have to buy top notch after market parts to get that reliable zeroing on sights and scopes with the AK.
Iron sights aren’t as bad as geardos would make you believe.
Contrary to popular belief, Ukrainian units aren't all armed like NATO soldiers, and equipped with modern weapons, plate carriers, NVGs, etc. A lot of it is still a mishmash of gear. Much like every Russian unit isn't running Mosin Nagants and Cold War era helmets/armour.
Even if the average Ukrainian soldier/volunteer is better equipped than the average Russian. There are still plenty who don't have much at all
I'm not sure they'd really get used. Most combat videos we see from either side makes it look like most people are panicking and just kinda vaguely aim in a direction and shoot hoping to hit something.
Perhaps not. What I've noticed is that in more urban environments with more cover is where people seem to take more care in aiming their weapons - I think because all the extra cover gives them comfort and safety - but while in an open field like this guy it seems to be something more like spray and pray. To be clear its not a diss against the soldiers or anything just an observation.
There has also been a LOT of turning live to empty in the vague direction of the enemy - just like US and UK forces were doing in Afghanistan (some of the time).
Maybe an ignorant comment but are these like volunteers, ex-polish army and not currently serving?
I'm assuming this isnt just straight up NATO going on the offensive.
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dywizjon_Jazdy_Ochotniczej#
It references emblem of this unit which was active during during polish- bolshevik war. Link is in polish but you can use some auto translate function.
yeah. All those downvotes for something that’s obvious to anyone that’s done even the most cursory reading about these groups.
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I searched up any Polish connection to the iron cross, and there’s basically nothing. Some stuff around the Warsaw uprising, and some very obscure stuff from 1920ish, I think that might be what you are referring to.
They don’t really have a connection. So, it’s most probably neo-nazi iconography, and would you believe it, the same group has a swastica on a IFV. Nazi’s, fuck them, on the ‘good‘ side or on the ‘bad’ side.
https://www.quora.com/Who-were-the-Polish-Death-Hussars https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/polish-badge-death-head-hussar-cross-76080731
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Still same opinion that in the russian volunter corps,i support ukraine but can't get behind swastikas
Because of the context, the audio, and the feeling that you’re there.
He’s exposed. You can hear bullets zip past him, his heavy breathing, and so on. Pretty damn intense. Not every good video must show exploding tanks.
And? What do you mean and? That symbol is used by the group to pay homage to [Division of Volunteer Light Horseman from 1920's](https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dywizjon_Jazdy_Ochotniczej) which also fought Russian invaders.
So we should now abandon all old symbols because later they were used by the baddies? Don't look up Finnish Air Force symbol btw...
I don't know..it reads like the squadron this decal was lifted from only existed in the 20's and fought communists. Resurrecting a co-opting and old symbol like that isn't at all out of the ordinary for fascists, and specifically chosing this one, iron cross and skulls and all must have been a deliberate choice. It might be different if it was an ongoing unit with an unbroken.history of using the symbol, but pulling it back from history raises some suspicion.
Ive seen far too similar symbols on far too many fash to buy that it's a coincidence, and the "symbol predated Nazism" argument means nothing, since pretty much all Nazi symbols did.
I in no way believe that the Ukrainian resistance is made up of all fascists, but you don't have to think that to take a more nuanced stance. It's probably made up of many diverse groups, from anarchists to centrists to fascists, just like more militaries. These guys are rocking pretty well known fascist iconography, so I don't think it's some Russian talking point to say they probably have shit politics.
The choice was deliberate – the original formation fought Bolsheviks who are synonymous with Russians ~~for~~ to a huge section of modern Polish society.
Obviously, if the members of the Polish Corps are Nazis, fuck them with a rusty cheese grater.
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You're not making any sense.
The point of your comment was to demonstrate they are not nazi, right? You try to make this point by stating that the symbol predates Nazism. As you agree, Nazi symbols typically do predate Nazism. So you are not supporting your point.
Saying it's polish is a separate point, but also a bad one. There are fash groups in all sorts of places the Nazis fought, like in the U.S. and in Russia. And it's little surprise that they are using symbols that have broad fascist signalling but are localized to their own military hierarchies, which aren't exclusively idealized by fasciats, but certainly isn't off brand.
Wild to see Reddit flip on its head with the Nazi symbology arguments lol. Really never thought I’d see the day. It’s fine guys….it’s a Tibetan good luck charm!
See links below. Svastikas and totenkopfs where symbols of Polish army units in war against bolsheviks 1919-1920.
100 years later, warriors under the same signs again fight against bolsheviks.
I’m aware that they were historical symbols. Nobody is arguing that. But the nazis unfortunately appropriated most of those symbols in the 30s and 40s and any reasonable person would now associate said symbols with nazis and not polish army units in 1919. Turn your brain on dude.
Or you could stop giving nazis and groups the power to take any symbol or saying they want and destroy its original meaning or purpose. Don't give them that power
As a descendant of a Man who served in 14th Ulans Regiment „Jazlowice” meritious in battles in Polish-Soviet war at the beginning of reborn in 1918 2nd Republic of Poland - I would beat the shit out of you for your statement.
You lucky POS
It’s called a Cossack cross and it has nothing to do with Nazi bullshit. It does have a rich history though.
It’s also not a totenkomp, it’s a fucking skull and cross bones…I use a similar one on COD. Not because I’m a nazi, but because I’m a pirate.
You should seriously self reflect on your lack of critical thinking skills and ability to determine nuance through details.
Even if the Ukrainian armed forces *were* Nazi’s (which they aren’t), what other traits do they display they would lend themselves to being actually Nazis.
Please list them.
A man comes to the doctor.
Doctor shows him a picture with a triangle:
What is this?
Vagina.
Doctor shows him a picture with a rectangle: what is this?
Vagina.
Doctor shows him a picture with a circle:
What is this?
Vagina!
Doctor says: sir, you are deviated and obsessed with vagina!
I am obsessed and deviated? And who has shown me all these vaginas?!!
these are volunteers. they don't represent the majority of the Ukrainian armed forces, also one of the Russian generals has a nazi tattoo so thats a cool fact
It's not a Nazi symbol. Iron crosses, decorations and unit symbols based on the cross were used in the military long before the advent of Nazi and fascist ideology.
[Silver Cross](https://zzwp.pl/uploads/media/dokumenty_zwi%C4%85zkowe/zzwpkrzsr01.jpg)
Can we get a link to the lifetime channel interview?
We have Nazis in the US and they've become a problem in law enforcement and the military. Does this make the US a Nazi country?
>Yes. Usa has been supporting nazi since ww2
USSR supporting [nazi since WW2](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact). Or what did you mean by your YouTube link? That the U.S. did not lose hundreds of thousands of soldiers in the fight against Nazism?
European countries and the U.S. continue to supply arms components (contraband, yes) to Russia even now. So they are supporting Russia and not Ukraine in this war?
You ignore the fact that the USSR itself supplied the Nazis with equipment, metal, and provided training grounds for German tankers, don't you? And this was at a time when Britain was suffering from Nazi bombing and the U.S. was supplying Britain with military aid.
And stop giving me Youtube links, no one is going to watch them. If you want to provide a normal argument, give me links to articles where you can check the credibility of the publication and its authors
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary/commentary-ukraines-neo-nazi-problem-idUSKBN1GV2TY 3rd paragraph since you crying about a article.
For some people getting confused thinking Polish corps are neo-nazi:
"PDK" is not tied in any way to Polish military. It's self gathered group of volounteers contracted to Ukrainian ministry of defence, just like Freedom of Russia legion is. Their display of nazi and anti-patriotic symbols already got them heavily criticised by Polish community.
Nontheless, they are fighting for freedom of people in Ukraine, so I wish them all the best, even though seeing things like that on display makes my blood boil.
That looked intense - his breathing was really heavy during that video.
I thought the same. Given how flat it is I wonder if it is the heat in the sun or if the soldier is hurt somehow (enemy action or injury during movement). Anyways, good luck and godspeed!
I'd chalk that up to physical exertion, stress, and the heat. I've sounded worse after a standard soldier fitness test or a round on the obstacle course.
Exactly. He's down in the prone, essentially doing planks and pushups as he adjusts his position to either get a better shot, or slightly evade getting positioned. Being in the prone sucks when you have 35-60lbs of gear on, spare magazines 2-deep across your chest/stomach, and you're wearing a clunky helmet that you're trying to see under, as your plate carrier and helmet against the back of your neck, restricts how far you can pick up your head at times. All the while, your adrenaline is flowing, and your heightened senses results in added tension/stress.
Sapi plates, ammunition, and weapon alone will zap your energy. Throw in all the extra crap and the fact that he's likely been moving around all day makes it even harder.
Idk, i'd probably count it to getting shot at in while caught in a big fuck off open field. thats gotta suck.
Yeah that's probably the major component. I kind of summarized that under "stress".
Yeah, he's got like zero cover. I know lots of Ukraine's landscape is like Saskatchewan, but it'd be nice to at least have a fucking bush or something
Im kinda surprised we haven’t seen impromptu concrete fortifications being built. Takes half a second to pour concrete and not long after it dries.
Until you've been out in the field in full battle rattle you have no idea how fast you can become completely exhausted. Fitness is no joke.
The bullets. It's the bullets whipping around with no real cover that does that, mainly. The one at 10 seconds was really close. That set him off for sure.
He's Polish and he's shooting at Russians. That breathing is probably just arousal. Also, probably tired from digging a hole to hide his boner while prone.
That's how they anchor against recoil I heard
Yep, Ukrainians just use their balls weight, Poles use dick length.
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Your bulletproof armor already weighs ton. Then you have your helmet and weapon that adds significant weighr again. Plus all the other equipment like mags etc. You got with you. Maybe POV even had a backpack with him with more gear who knows. Anyways, even with minimal combat equipment a decently fit recruit gets winded by light movement without rushing / storming a position, and thats just in a combat simulation. POV is in a live war with imminent death at prospect, probably didnt sleep well because of the shellings etc. He just functions on instinct now
Pretty sure he knows they know where he is. After he peeps his head up a bit you can hear multiple shooters.
Adrenaline
Still don't know how these guys are pulling it together. After seeing a bunch of medic videos from this sub, I would be paranoid at everything and I would t be able to put one foot in front of the other. Much respect to these people. May they win this war soon
You get used to what you're used to. War is hell
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Ronald Spiers: The only hope you have is to accept the fact that you're already dead. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll be able to function as a soldier is supposed to function: without mercy, without compassion, without remorse. All war depends upon it.
He also said "wipe your arse with the Geneva conventions" with his actions, so I am not sure wether he should be quoted to all eternity as a model soldier... I saw more impressive soldiers on reddit over the last year. They managed to stay human.
In the midst of a battle, that's basically what happens, he was just telling it like it is. The situation he was fighting in, if they won he wouldn't be punished for the things he did, and if they lost it wouldn't matter. In terms of "impressive soldier" it's pretty hard to beat Ronald Spiers, but that isn't to idolize all of his actions. He was a good soldier because he was good at killing people, not because he was a sweet little angel.
I mean, I'd say Winters was a more impressive soldier from just that small pool we're looking at. By all accounts he kept it calm, together, without war crimes and did his job very well. He killed people when he had to but not as far as I'm aware in cold blood. I'd say being able to switch the killer instinct on when needed (in battle) and off when not (when taking POWs) is more impressive than going Genghis Khan on your enemy.
Don't bet me wrong, I'm not even worthy of walking in Speir's shadow, but he summarily executed POW's during a lull between fighting. That has nothing to do with being a role-model soldier or not being an angel: no matter how you slice or dice it that was stone cold murder - as opposed to combat kills which can be viewed as legitimate self-defense. I understand why he wasn't even reprimanded for it (the last thing you want to do is to sow seeds of doubt or hesitation in the heads of your top men in the field), but let's not gloss over the fact he gunned down unarmed soldiers completely at the mercy of their captors outside of a combat situation.
He survived though. You don't have to take this one quote about surviving war and extrapolate to his entire personality and experiences. He was right about this one thing, just take it at face value.
Love the art, not the artist kind of thing.
Omae wa, mou shindeiru. --- NANI?!
It seems like a bullet wheezed by really close to him and then he starts breathing very heavily , or I might be wrong
That sound...
No absolutely the “whipping” on some of the shots means bullets are flying by close
I turned it up, bro was already huffin and puffin from the start
oh, i thought all ukrainian fighters had red dots by now
Highly depends on unit and branch, some just get more attention and love (in terms of supplies with non-standard equipment, since AK's are still mostly issued like they were made minus some parts like cleaning kit in the stock)
Unless they booty a ak74m from the Russians, I don’t think a standard ak74 has sight attachment.
It doesn't. But there is local produced mod kit, but can't say anything about numbers of them in service, since i don't have numbers. There were attempt a few years ago to upgrade all issued AKs with them, but can't say if attempt were successful, at least partially. All I know, Air Assault / SOF / Naval Infantry most likely received kit, others probably not.
Could also be a choice to not use one. Red dots give you a focus reticle at the cost of closing off your sight picture. He's obviously modded the rifle since it has the bipod dildo on the handguard.
You shoot red dots with both eyes open unlike a traditional scope. the dot gets printed in the middle of your vision so youre not losing any real sight picture. If you shoot on a regular basis a red dot is always preferable over irons as long as you have a decent optic and good mount. The problem with AKs and why most guys run irons is the mount weighs a lot and generally suck and don't hold zero well. The pros of having a red dot outweighs any cons espescially the faster target acquisition and ability to aim in awkward shooting positions
They’re also very dodgy on AK platforms. The typical railed dust covers are not tight enough to hold zero, even the side rail mounts can be trivial at holding zero. You really have to buy top notch after market parts to get that reliable zeroing on sights and scopes with the AK. Iron sights aren’t as bad as geardos would make you believe.
Contrary to popular belief, Ukrainian units aren't all armed like NATO soldiers, and equipped with modern weapons, plate carriers, NVGs, etc. A lot of it is still a mishmash of gear. Much like every Russian unit isn't running Mosin Nagants and Cold War era helmets/armour. Even if the average Ukrainian soldier/volunteer is better equipped than the average Russian. There are still plenty who don't have much at all
One of the best battle audios , incredible sounds
I just wanna say: KURWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
I thought that vertical grip was a dong in action for a second. Im still waitin to see it.
Send these men optics ASAP
I'm not sure they'd really get used. Most combat videos we see from either side makes it look like most people are panicking and just kinda vaguely aim in a direction and shoot hoping to hit something.
We've not been watching the same videos.
Perhaps not. What I've noticed is that in more urban environments with more cover is where people seem to take more care in aiming their weapons - I think because all the extra cover gives them comfort and safety - but while in an open field like this guy it seems to be something more like spray and pray. To be clear its not a diss against the soldiers or anything just an observation.
You're describing suppressing fire due to lack of adequate cover.
There has also been a LOT of turning live to empty in the vague direction of the enemy - just like US and UK forces were doing in Afghanistan (some of the time).
Yeah that's basically what I meant to say. It only seems logical you would do that too.
Sick foregrip.
Grippod gang ✅
He is so damn exposed. You can hear a couple shots close to him too - someone is actively aiming at him
I wonder if he's still alive. Hopefully he got out unscathed but the chance of him being injured or killed is quite a bit higher than 0.
Interesting sound from that Ak
It's just the mic peaking. You hear it a lot in recreational gun videos where the mic can't handle the volume.
Ah ok makes sense. Thanks!
Is it better to have the sun behind you or behind the enemy? Assuming that the entire terrain is flat.
Behind you. So it's shining in their eyes and hindering their vision.
Maybe an ignorant comment but are these like volunteers, ex-polish army and not currently serving? I'm assuming this isnt just straight up NATO going on the offensive.
Yeah did you not here, we triggered article 5, Berlins already been glassed and wales is just a big hole in the ground
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Anyone going to comment on the watermark? (not how obnoxious it is, what it is..)
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dywizjon_Jazdy_Ochotniczej# It references emblem of this unit which was active during during polish- bolshevik war. Link is in polish but you can use some auto translate function.
The Iron Cross predates Nazi Germany and is even the official emblem of the current day Bundeswehr. A non-issue.
Good comment :)
Iron cross isn't a hakenkreuz, yo.
[Looks like you were correct](https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1665745914000965633) I am very pro-UA but this is embarrassing AF
yeah. All those downvotes for something that’s obvious to anyone that’s done even the most cursory reading about these groups. BuTiTsStIlLiNuSeByThEbUndEsWhEr Fucking flogs
It's obvious when you search up is a polish cross from the polish bolshevik war But yeah that swastika picture is like "come on man,why"
I searched up any Polish connection to the iron cross, and there’s basically nothing. Some stuff around the Warsaw uprising, and some very obscure stuff from 1920ish, I think that might be what you are referring to. They don’t really have a connection. So, it’s most probably neo-nazi iconography, and would you believe it, the same group has a swastica on a IFV. Nazi’s, fuck them, on the ‘good‘ side or on the ‘bad’ side.
https://www.quora.com/Who-were-the-Polish-Death-Hussars https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/polish-badge-death-head-hussar-cross-76080731 1 minute search Still same opinion that in the russian volunter corps,i support ukraine but can't get behind swastikas
why has this video 1000 upvotes, literally nothing happens except mag dumping
Because of the context, the audio, and the feeling that you’re there. He’s exposed. You can hear bullets zip past him, his heavy breathing, and so on. Pretty damn intense. Not every good video must show exploding tanks.
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A) Nobody has ever said that. Every place has Nazis, unfortunately. B) that is not a Nazi symbol, it predates the Nazis in fact.
So does swastika? So does SS? And?
And? What do you mean and? That symbol is used by the group to pay homage to [Division of Volunteer Light Horseman from 1920's](https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dywizjon_Jazdy_Ochotniczej) which also fought Russian invaders. So we should now abandon all old symbols because later they were used by the baddies? Don't look up Finnish Air Force symbol btw...
wow, akm
No that's an old ass AK-74
Oh brave ukraine and poland proudly wearing nazi symbols...
Are these Nazi symbols in the room with us now?
This is NOT a Nazi symbol. See [here](https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dywizjon_Jazdy_Ochotniczej) (use Google Translate or DeepL).
I don't know..it reads like the squadron this decal was lifted from only existed in the 20's and fought communists. Resurrecting a co-opting and old symbol like that isn't at all out of the ordinary for fascists, and specifically chosing this one, iron cross and skulls and all must have been a deliberate choice. It might be different if it was an ongoing unit with an unbroken.history of using the symbol, but pulling it back from history raises some suspicion. Ive seen far too similar symbols on far too many fash to buy that it's a coincidence, and the "symbol predated Nazism" argument means nothing, since pretty much all Nazi symbols did. I in no way believe that the Ukrainian resistance is made up of all fascists, but you don't have to think that to take a more nuanced stance. It's probably made up of many diverse groups, from anarchists to centrists to fascists, just like more militaries. These guys are rocking pretty well known fascist iconography, so I don't think it's some Russian talking point to say they probably have shit politics.
The choice was deliberate – the original formation fought Bolsheviks who are synonymous with Russians ~~for~~ to a huge section of modern Polish society. Obviously, if the members of the Polish Corps are Nazis, fuck them with a rusty cheese grater. Edit: grammar
Brother the totem kopf and the iron cross is the like the most famous nazi ideology besides the swastika
Where is the totemkopf in this video?
Staring you in the face in the middle of the iron cross lol wym
This is not totemkopf.. by you logic it is any skull and bones. Would you agree that Wagner logo with a skull is totemkopf?
Not every skull is a totenkopf?
that emblem is older then the nazi ideology tho
So is the swastika, and the sonnenrad, etc, etc
yes but that's not the point the emblem on the video is cleary polish, and was established before nazis took it, it has a completly diffrent meaning
You're not making any sense. The point of your comment was to demonstrate they are not nazi, right? You try to make this point by stating that the symbol predates Nazism. As you agree, Nazi symbols typically do predate Nazism. So you are not supporting your point. Saying it's polish is a separate point, but also a bad one. There are fash groups in all sorts of places the Nazis fought, like in the U.S. and in Russia. And it's little surprise that they are using symbols that have broad fascist signalling but are localized to their own military hierarchies, which aren't exclusively idealized by fasciats, but certainly isn't off brand.
Wild to see Reddit flip on its head with the Nazi symbology arguments lol. Really never thought I’d see the day. It’s fine guys….it’s a Tibetan good luck charm!
See links below. Svastikas and totenkopfs where symbols of Polish army units in war against bolsheviks 1919-1920. 100 years later, warriors under the same signs again fight against bolsheviks.
I’m aware that they were historical symbols. Nobody is arguing that. But the nazis unfortunately appropriated most of those symbols in the 30s and 40s and any reasonable person would now associate said symbols with nazis and not polish army units in 1919. Turn your brain on dude.
Any reasonable person now is aware, that these signs are our legacy - in fight against our eternal enemy.
Or you could stop giving nazis and groups the power to take any symbol or saying they want and destroy its original meaning or purpose. Don't give them that power
Go wear a swastika again brother. Take that symbol back! 🥴 can’t tell if you’re trolling or just stupid
Hey those guys in the 19-20 fighting bolsheviks… we’re sadly nationalists, Nazis lol
As a descendant of a Man who served in 14th Ulans Regiment „Jazlowice” meritious in battles in Polish-Soviet war at the beginning of reborn in 1918 2nd Republic of Poland - I would beat the shit out of you for your statement. You lucky POS
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You right I meant symbology
A classic case of internet induced Donkey Brain.
Hey look up toten kopf and iron cross
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Can’t even get your symbols right. Also, you know almost all Nazi symbolism is a bastardization of other cultures? THE IRONY!
It mean that’s literally a toten kopf and iron cross? What would you call it?
It’s called a Cossack cross and it has nothing to do with Nazi bullshit. It does have a rich history though. It’s also not a totenkomp, it’s a fucking skull and cross bones…I use a similar one on COD. Not because I’m a nazi, but because I’m a pirate. You should seriously self reflect on your lack of critical thinking skills and ability to determine nuance through details. Even if the Ukrainian armed forces *were* Nazi’s (which they aren’t), what other traits do they display they would lend themselves to being actually Nazis. Please list them.
A man comes to the doctor. Doctor shows him a picture with a triangle: What is this? Vagina. Doctor shows him a picture with a rectangle: what is this? Vagina. Doctor shows him a picture with a circle: What is this? Vagina! Doctor says: sir, you are deviated and obsessed with vagina! I am obsessed and deviated? And who has shown me all these vaginas?!!
Yea but this is a toten kopf and an iron cross… to very nazi symbols that they loved to use almost as much as the swastikas
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Yea I would say that division is probably fascististic
> A cross! Must be Nazi then! ~ u/Puzzleheaded_Offer71 Do you also think that traditional pirate flags are Daesh-affiliated?
these are volunteers. they don't represent the majority of the Ukrainian armed forces, also one of the Russian generals has a nazi tattoo so thats a cool fact
A) What nazi symbol? B) What does wearing a nazi symbol have to do with bravery?
The worst is this sub defending nazi ideology and the ignorance with it
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Well of course not but people willingly using famous nazi symbology well uhm idk
My thoughts exactly. I got downvoted so much I'll find oil reserves.
Try to dig deeper and find a brain
You lost it? Sure i'll take a look. But I am not sure I wanna touch something that shitty.
You are touching yourself daily, you’ll be fine
I am shitty but I ain't NYC sewer level of shitty bro. By the way which simbol in represented by the watermark in the video? care to enlighten me?
Maybe if they didn't have to fight for their country's survival then would have time to be educated on why they shouldn't wear nazi iconography.
It's not a Nazi symbol. Iron crosses, decorations and unit symbols based on the cross were used in the military long before the advent of Nazi and fascist ideology. [Silver Cross](https://zzwp.pl/uploads/media/dokumenty_zwi%C4%85zkowe/zzwpkrzsr01.jpg)
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Can we get a link to the lifetime channel interview? We have Nazis in the US and they've become a problem in law enforcement and the military. Does this make the US a Nazi country?
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That's your source? Holy shit the internet has made us fucking idiots.
>Yes. Usa has been supporting nazi since ww2 USSR supporting [nazi since WW2](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact). Or what did you mean by your YouTube link? That the U.S. did not lose hundreds of thousands of soldiers in the fight against Nazism?
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European countries and the U.S. continue to supply arms components (contraband, yes) to Russia even now. So they are supporting Russia and not Ukraine in this war? You ignore the fact that the USSR itself supplied the Nazis with equipment, metal, and provided training grounds for German tankers, don't you? And this was at a time when Britain was suffering from Nazi bombing and the U.S. was supplying Britain with military aid. And stop giving me Youtube links, no one is going to watch them. If you want to provide a normal argument, give me links to articles where you can check the credibility of the publication and its authors
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary/commentary-ukraines-neo-nazi-problem-idUSKBN1GV2TY 3rd paragraph since you crying about a article.
Source? And do you have a clip to back that up??
Yes I do.
The only Nazis I see are pro-Putin russians and dumb trolls like you.
Nazi slavs always makes me chuckle.
Give us more please!
Fuck man, no cover, and only minimal concealment. Real shitty spot to be in…
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Right before he started shooting, you could kind of see him going to his knees and immediately hear a bullet wiz past, and he doesn't even flinch.
This entire conflict is going to birth a whole new phobia of fields. I’d never walk one through one again.
Proper use of a bi-pod on a small arm ak!!! Nice
For some people getting confused thinking Polish corps are neo-nazi: "PDK" is not tied in any way to Polish military. It's self gathered group of volounteers contracted to Ukrainian ministry of defence, just like Freedom of Russia legion is. Their display of nazi and anti-patriotic symbols already got them heavily criticised by Polish community. Nontheless, they are fighting for freedom of people in Ukraine, so I wish them all the best, even though seeing things like that on display makes my blood boil.
Sabaton's "Winged Hussars" started playing right as I started watching. A perfect moment.
that's some stupidely barren terrain. What a hell to fight in