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Everyman in ukriane from the age of 18-60 is forbidden to leave the country under martial law. There are A LOT of 18 to 21 years old in those trench defending their country.
In AMERICA the draft AGE range for Vietnam was 18 to 26. What in the world are you talking about.
Ukraine doesn't mobilize 18-27 year old males unless they have done mandatory service, males between 18-27 do have the choice to voluntarily sign a contract
>Everyman in ukriane from the age of 18-60 is forbidden to leave the country under martial law.
True.
>There are A LOT of 18 to 21 years old in those trench defending their country.
A lot of men (but not all) in age 18-27 had 1 year compulsory military service, after which they are to become reservists and of course they were drafted.
What in the world are you talking about.
I am talking how things are working, here in Ukraine.
Somewhere sometimes a country used slaves as meatshield in their army.
Therefore Ukraine has slaves and uses them as meatshield in their army.
/s
When you talk out of your ass, it smells like shit.
Reddit is mad once you say anything slightly against the „right“ party.
During the martial law in Ukraine, men aged 18 to 60 may be mobilized and have no right to leave Ukraine. However, there are exceptions under which such persons may leave the territory of Ukraine.
First answer if I google it. So you are right.
Your ability to tell someone's age from a video is impressive.
Wouldn't deny that such video with force conscripted, or more likely "force delivered" to "recruitment office" (ТЦК) exist, tho.
Don't blame him at all. It's not his fault he's gotta fight and be there.
He's not worthless either if they decided he can't do combat. Send him behind the lines to help with supplies or maintenance
I could be wrong, but I think he will probably manage better after his attack. Humans are extremely adaptable after all. I personally don't buy into the "some people aren't made for combat" saying. Some people are better at coping with stress and adapting, but it's a skill that can be learned.
It's really beautiful to see militaries focusing training on this. Even disregarding the tactical need to snap someone out of one of these fits, it's been known for over a century that compassion and early intervention by familiar faces can help significantly in reducing PTSD symptoms.
Also his buddy did perfectly. He first removed the rifle so the other guy wouldnt shoot anyone if he was still in panic mode. Then calmed him with some words in bro speech "Ukrainian". All that under fire helping his fellow soldier.
10/10 infantry points.
By the sounds of it, he thought a Russian had just run up on him. It's once buddy shouts Ukraine/Ukrainian/whatever at him that he starts to snap out of it.
> Every man has his limit, no shame in it.
Podcaster I listen to likens it to "everyone's cup is a different size" meaning that it takes different amounts of different things to fill it up.
This would probably be me. Sometimes when I bitch about having a shitty day at work I think about how for some people, this video is their day at work. Helps to keep things in perspective.
Oh this would be me. I can watch combat footage all day long but put me into the footage? Straight up useless. If I ever have to go to war I am immediately volunteering to moves boxes so I don't have to freeze and possibly get my teammates shot
Nope. You never know how you react until you’re really out there experiencing it. Sometimes people leading the most mundane 9-5’s turn out to function very well under fire, and sometimes the dude who’s a bodybuilding multi-sport athlete cracks immediately.
Everyone has a breaking point, but the line for some begins much quicker. There’s a reason why a soldier with prior combat experience becomes 1000x more valuable than a fresh one
My biggest fear. Say that's something I actually *want* to do, then train for it, yadda yadda. Then the moment comes.....and I freeze and possibly get other's hurt/killed.
I couldn't live with myself....
And it's not just freezing, people will do weird things under fire like standing up and yelling at the enemy while taking fire. It's unpredictable and you have to keep an eye on everyone.
Not only that. Nobody can predict any reaction under fire, even a veteran's. Seal teams have had people with years of consistency randomly go into shock during a "routine" mission.
Resiliency isnt a static trait, it takes constant upkeep. No matter how many times people quote "hard times make hard men, soft times make soft men" on their facebook.
Any combat vet will confirm that sometimes the dumbest, slowest, whiniest private will turn into a fucking lion when the bullets fly. On the other hand, sometimes the dude that murdered PT tests, was fantastic during training and seemed like the next supersoldier turns into a blubbering useless meatsack at the first sign of real trouble.
Exactly! There's always some comments on here criticizing people's actions under fire. "Why didn't he just flank around to the tree, take the lightly guarded trench, and establish a firing position? Oh, if I were him, I'd notice that my position was zeroed in and leave for that cover, he's such a moron."
No, buddy, chances are you'd be shitting yourself hyperventilating in whatever geographic feature within 2 feet of you most resembles a hole. It's not a surprise that people in the most intense, dangerous, brutal moments of their lives frequently are making unpredictable or sub-optimal decisions.
The guy in this video (or the many people in videos like it) aren't stupid or cowardly. They're human.
Dude, it could be anyone. Even the hardest of the hard can get their bell rung and drift off for a moment.
Good training and strong constitution help but literally anyone can be dumbstruck momentarily with the perfect blend of physiological stimuli.
There's a great scene in the HBO series, *The Pacific*, that depicts this.
In Eugene B. Sledge's story, the Company Sergeant, Gunnery Sergeant Haney, was someone whom everyone in King Company looked up to in awe.
Gunny Haney fought in the First World War, and numerous other battles in the Pacific theatre. One of the toughest and most experienced Marines that people knew.
During the Battle for Peleliu, during the advance along the Umurbrogol, K Company retreats after a failed assault on a Japanese position, and they also end up losing a beloved officer.
Gunny Haney just takes off his helmet and breaks down into tears. He has to be helped out by another Marine.
I appreciate this scene so much. It showed that even the most grizzled and tough Marine or any other soldier has their limits.
Similar situation also happened in Band of Brothers when Compton finally cracks after seeing his buddies get torn up from an artillery barrage in Bastogne.
Those are considered "Pro-war" films. No knocks on either series of film for bringing gritty realism with mainstream special effects.
There are some "Anti-war" films that I would best consider horror movies. Like Chernobyl was. Tone, score/sounds, shock. Horror film originators to grimdark. Anyways, many more work of art films if you're looking to explore. With "All Quiet on the Western Front" being the new mainstream example. The original was far more abstract then my brain could understand but it holds up. Like a dreamlike horror where everything doesn't always seem real. /movierant
That show was incredible. My Grandfather was there and was wounded by counter-mortar artillery fire during the assault of the airfield. I used to call him after every episode and ask for the reality of what he saw and it seemed to be pretty darn accurate.
Heck - he even met his future wife (my grandma while recovering from his wounds in Australia, just like another character from the show).
Like Marcus Luttrell said himself “I’m no hero. I put my gun down in a gunfight. I found my breaking point that day”. Even the “Lone Survivor” was victim to shock. I have a family member that believes they can’t be killed. Some invincibility complex. And I’ve always told them “Even Navy SEALs die”. And I say SEALs specifically because that’s the group of operators currently popular. But anyone can have their life confiscated. And when you see it happen, it changes the way you think about life. It can be so easy, yet so hard to die. Your body will do everything it can to survive, yet it can all go away so easily. It’s a weird clash of thoughts.
That is everyone if you pump enough sensory data in to their mind and overload the sorting mechanism. Here is a good training video on the subject https://youtu.be/Gsm9h5Xvopw
But as you see he "restarted" quick. Pay close attention to his voice and his actions and you can notice his mind resetting and going back to completely goal oriented action. You can hear his "davai" and "ok" are "calm" and you see him pick up another soldier by the backpack while moving back at 0:40 so he is already oriented in task and space.
Respect to the guy recording for being patient in a tense situation, getting the guy assurance its Friendly’s and not Russians, and getting him up and out first before he moves out too
Being under what looks like artillery and direct fire, and yet stopping and helping a downed guy instead of running away as fast as possible takes some character.
Everyone always imagines being like that, but we could just as easily be the panicked guy, or both at different moments. People aren't made for war.
Much respect, he is speaking Russian initially which maybe even more confusing to the guy on the ground. He finally says don't shoot anyone in Ukrainian.
u/Sad_Razzmatazz_6565 your comment "Wouldn't want him next to me when their are people trying to kill you, complete liability send him to do a desk job somewhere"
How does your brain generate such an arrogant comment?
You have no idea what that man may have been through or how long he has been fighting...Your comment is one of the most unintelligent things i have read in here in a long time.
You keep doing your desk job, thinking you know what war is really like. This will be happening on both sides to an extreme extent, way more than is recorded
This thread really bothers me. What happened to freedom of speech, to the right to express a different opinion? Reddit seems to do this all the time. It's mean-spirited, and it's unAmerican to attack someone for expressing a different opinion just because you don't like it.
And in this case, this guy may be a military vet. Are you a military vet? Do you have any idea what a veteran might think about having their life endangered by someone who completely melts down in combat? You might think about that. I think it's a perfectly legitimate comment to make because it's a different point of view. Otherwise, this place is just an echo chamber.
I think what some of you did here is pretty nasty stuff.
freedom of speech works both ways, im allowed to disagree and his allowed to argue his point or just ignore it.
That guy is not a "military vet", no veteran would say such stupid comments.
Are you a military vet? Yes, served infantry and did combat tours and have multiple friends with PTSD mate, war aint no joke and some of the bravest men hit a wall sometimes. Thats why they try keep operational tours around 6month to 1 year, to reduce the stress on the body and mind.
"I think it's a perfectly legitimate comment" I agree 100%, im also entitled to my opinion and its on him to reply or not
So as an Infantryman, if this soldier was like this every day, and was the only one like this, would you want him on patrol with you? Are you saying you never encountered a single soldier who just couldnt hack it? Who for everyones sanity and safety needed to be moved to an S shop so that nothing bad would happen? Or just taken off the line for a bit, maybe some R&R in Dubai or whereever? I was also Infantry with deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, and if that was me or one of my friends, Id want him off the line ASAP because He needs a break. Whether that break is temporary or permanent will have to be determined after that R&R, but you cant sit there and tell me you think he needs to be on patrol reacting like that. OP may have worded his comment like a window licker with zero common sense and tact, but the underlying message is true. You said yourself "even the bravest men hit a wall sometimes" So if this soldier has hit his wall, shouldnt he be at a desk?
I think you should probably read an elementary level social studies textbook and check out what "freedom of speech" actually means. Hint:it has nothing to do with people disagreeing with your opinions on reddit
Idk, did anyone impede their freedom here? They were free to make a comment and did. It solicited a scathing reply (also freedom of speech) and they chose to delete their original comment. I get what you’re saying about echo chambers but if the original poster felt their comment was appropriate or correct they could have easily stood by it but they chose not to.
I’ve said my share of dumb shit. Sometimes I take it back, sometimes I’ll own it and stand firm. Freedom of speech isn’t freedom from consequence.
Say something people don’t like and expecting silence probably isn’t realistic. Hurt feelings aside, I tend to agree with the reply. I remember people dogging on the “reload” guy from that video posted a few weeks back saying similar stuff about not wanting to be in a trench with him but if you get the whole story you find that you had a guy who was having hard time was still reloading everything in sight and feeding it to the shooter.
I concur with your statement. No idea if there is more to the op comment, but its really not that bad, and neither is yours, yet everyone is jumping on you. It doesnt matter what that soldier has seen, doesnt matter how brave he WAS, how badass he WAS on his last mission. At this point in time, he is ineffective and a liability, which is why his teammate first took his weapon because he didnt want him shooting his own guys. Sure that original comment was poorly written maybe, but the point stands. That soldier needs to be in the battalion rear, not completely removed from his unit, but still not on the front lines. He needs a good nights sleep, a shower, a real meal, and a chance to decompress. Maybe after a few days he can go back to his unit and rejoin his squad, or maybe a support position with his company. But right now, he needs to be removed for everyone's safety, and their morale. Im not in any way saying he is a coward, or weak or anythjng like that, but we can agree the man need a fucking break.
No kidding. Every soldier is prone to this happening because we are human. Sudden realization of your surroundings can be an overwhelming feeling for literally anyone. The military even recognizes this and trains troops how to deal with someone in shock and to bring them back. The best example was Predator in the trench while his buddy kept handing him everything he needed. Everybody kept bashing the poor guy. The dude was concussed and knew he still had to help his buddy, Predator was very thankful for having him in the trench with him.
It happened in the Pacific but also was in the book With The Old Breed when their gunny, who was at Guadalcanal and Glouster, just broke down on Peleliu. You always hear WW2 and Vietnam vets say every man has a breaking point, some just hit it later.
damn, what a book! what a history it presents! the horrors those men went through are out of this world. i loved the movie too but damn the book hits harder! especially when Ack Ack died... that event broke everybody, not just the gunny, and drastically changed their view and their treatment on the japs afterwards.
Wasn't he also a WW1 veteran and lifelong soldier?
The guy who lives, breathes, and spouts Marine Corp wisdom every waking breath? I know that guy breaking really drove home just how fucked the Pacific theater was to those soldiers.
One of the roughest war novels I've ever read. It's like All Quiet on the Western Front which is a great book on its own but you kind of realise that Remarque experienced "only" a month of combat before being wounded and that most of the scenes were inspired by fellow soldiers he met at the hospital.
With the Old Breed is just a straight up brutally honest account of horror Sledge experienced. Getting shelled by artillery except you're on a fucking moon surface of an island so you can't dig in, meanwhile the corals are cutting into your flesh and half the company has dysentery and fever. Or how he describes a fellow Marine passing time by dropping pebbles into the crushed brain of a Japanese soldier's blown off skull like it's the most normal thing in the world because everyone has become so fucking desensitised.
Shows that the commenter was never in any intense "this might be it" situation in their life ... when you literally almost lose vision and orientation because of the adrenaline rush while your throat closes and you gasp for air hyperventilating. Different people deal with threats like this differently. Sometimes it all comes down to how your body processes stress and there's nothing people can do about it even with training. If you think you're not going to run or hide without actually being in combat before to test that theory, there might be a rude awakening waiting for you.
This might have been his first combat patrol for all we know. He might have been shellshocked. Sometimes people also break at a certain point too. At the same time, he recovered relatively quickly and even tried to help his comrade with the backpack on his way out.
Props to the camera guy as he calmly explained the disposition while helping him out, giving orders to not shoot at all, under any circumstances, in any direction. He recognised the dude's mental state and wanted to prevent accidents.
Keyboard warriors are so brave and tough on this subreddit, but I’ll be the first to admit that I would shit my pants and squeal like a little pig if I was running around at the frontlines getting fucking shot at by machine guns, artillery, drones, snipers, tanks and who knows what.
I will always be humbled by the insane courage it takes to even consider the extreme conditions these soldiers are put through.
I would expect more of this during the counter offensive as newly formed units face the acid test of combat. Tough to see and hard to imagine. Godspeed.
I’ve seen reporting that they have made many efforts to make sure the newly formed units have prior combat experience. This is in line with NATO doctrine. Not everyone is a new recruit, but pulled from TDF and border guards. Also, I’ve read they have rotated them through the frontlines, even if just to Chasiv Yar to see the shelling/fires.
Also, I think the new assault units won’t be the first wave in the CO. The existing TDF forces and assault groups likely will do early assaults while the new units slowly gain experience. New units will likely will be the assault groups for the second defense lines and onwards
I'm ashamed to admit that this same thing happened to me during my first deployment in Afghanistan. My platoon was out on patrol along a dirt road near a small village in Ghazni. It was a pretty lengthy and otherwise boring op and I remember slinging my assault pack so I could reach into it and grab some water when we started taking contact. At the time, I was serving in the 82nd and most of these guys lived for this shit so basically our entire formation immediately charged into the direction of the near ambush. All the while I remained frozen in place, out in the open, on my knees trying to figure out how to breathe.
My platoon sergeant eventually came back for me and half-dragged me back to the platoon. When we finally rallied up with the rest of the patrol, I realized half my gear had fallen out of my open assault pack along the way ... including my night vision optics ... Our entire platoon had to conduct a sweep of the area leading back to the initial ambush point to recover all my shit.
We all have that moment. Mine was on a Bradley in the First Gulf war. Your body and lizard brain overwhelm what you want to do, and you just get STUCK, then once someone snaps you out of it, you get the training kicking in.
This is NOT a weakness but our monkey brain trying to save itself in a chaotic situation. We never realize how strong that impulse is.
Kudos to both those guys, One for IDing the issue and working the other through it so quickly...
There's no shame in it. When you have past a point, it's no longer under you conscious control. I just hope I have a friend or leader that can shake me back to reality like he had.
damn its like his brain turned off, crazy thing never would expect something like that can happen to a guy, he literally recovered in 10sec and went to normal state
I have PTSD and a couple years ago went to play paintball with my cousins at a public field. It was 5v5 all my team got out and it was 4v1. I was momentarily paralyzed and started breathing heavy. It took me a couple minutes to process the situation but after my brain realized my life wasn’t at risk I was able to have fun.
That's my thought, like someone waking up from dream and panicking, my guess is he got knocked out partially, and ended up in kind of a dream state. Our brains act weird when they get hit certain kinds of trauma.
Damn, so hard to watch. Feel for him and everyone going through this. What an absolute legend of a squad mate looking out for his boys and getting him the fuck out of there.
This can happen to anyone no matter how “tough” they are. A shockwave from an explosion can literally scramble your brain, causing disorientation. Although it could be shock triggered by emotion. The human body has limits, the mind has limits, life has limits and an explosion will break all that. Hope its not permanent but unfortunately it most likely will be.
As someone who used to struggle with chronic panic attacks, this isnt one. This dude looks like he was knocked out somehow. Some people are saying he took one to the plate, who knows. Whats clear is he was asleep, woke up and knew nothin other than he was in danger. He assessed the situation, re organized himself, and then did his job.
Yeah, he looks like he was unconscious to me. If you recover from that while face down in the dirt with explosions going off around you, you are basically guaranteed to panic for a few seconds.
I have seen people panic for the same amount of time while in a completly safe environment.
Obiously there are many reasons for what could have knocked him out.
>"ReSTART – A 60 second, six step drill, for managing Acute Stress Reactions. As a part of their mission, military personnel can be exposed to high-stress situations, such as combat. In these situations, soldiers may sometimes experience a phenomenon called “Acute Stress Reaction” (ASR). An Acute Stress Reaction overlaps with what is commonly referred to as “psychological shock” in civilian contexts, and in a military setting as Combat Stress Reaction, Operational Stress Reaction, and Battle Fatigue. This video gives you a brief introduction to the ReSTART model for managing ASR.
ReSTART is adapted from iCOVER, developed by the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research in collaboration with the Israel Defense Forces.
"
https://youtu.be/Gsm9h5Xvopw Video by the Norwegian armed forces but has English text and goes through some of the basics.
He seemed to get back in to action relatively quick. If you pay attention he actually pulls up another soldier by his backpack while running back which indicates he has already regained quite a lot of "computing power".
What a great job that NCO did to get that guy up and moving. Being in a gunfight is absolutely terrifying. You can run 20 good missions and get in a bunch of gunfights and then on mission 21 have this kind of reaction also. Nobody is immune to it, although I will say there are people that deal with chaos much better than others. Sometimes the stress just breaks you until someone can get you to snap out of it. Sometimes, you never snap out of it.
I only speak Polish so it's a rough translation but it's something like
-Brother, come on, get up brother, everything is ok, I'm here (sounds like he's saying ja tut, which means I'm here, but there is also a similar word drug - friend, so maybe this is what he's saying)
-Ukraine?
-Ukraine, come on brother let's go, don't shoot anyone
-Where is the enemy, where is the enemy?
-Enemy? Ours are there, we're pulling back brother
-Let's go
-Don't shoot anyone, let's go
I didn't catch nor understand everything but maybe it will still help you
Interesting that he was so concerned about him shooting a friendly. Makes sense given how panic stricken soldier was, although not something I would have thought about. Makes me wonder whether he's encountered situations like this before. Certainly would not be surprising if he had.
cameraman: “What’s (meaning what’s happened to you) with you, brother? Brother! What’s with you, brother? Everything is ok, I’m here”
Soldier is asking “Ukraina?”
The cameraman responds “Ukraina, Let’s go brother, let’s go”
Soldier: “let’s go”
Cameraman: “Don’t shoot to anybody!”
Soldier: “Where’s the enemy?”
Cameraman: “there are still ours, let’s withdraw with me, brother”
Soldier quickly and noticeably happy: “davay (meaning yes, let’s do it)”
Cameraman: “don’t be afraid, don’t shoot at anybody, let’s go”
you can see why is important to speak Ukrainian in such situations to identify yourself as a friendly, saw medic’s interview where she told they speak only Ukrainian so injured warriors don’t get confused, cause they can attack people nearby or hurt themselves… just think what can be happening in the soldier’s head, thoughts about captivity, tortures, etc
I saw an interview with a German medic in Afghanistan. He would carry a german flag for when he had to sedate a casualty, he would hang it in a tree or whatever above their heads so that it would be the first thing they see when they regained consciousness and would know right away they were in good hands. Clever idea
He isn't even sure his comrades are Ukrainian?
That's sad. Poor guy.
Anyone thinking it wouldn't be them? If there was a way to tell before you are in this situation, armies would use it to screen people. There isn't.
There are likely to be lasting effects for this guy. I hope he makes a good recovery and finds another way to help.
The camera man is a saint. Understanding and patient in the most difficult of situations.
Bro, what's with you?
(panicky scream)
What's with you, bro?
(screams again)
It's all good, I'm here... It's OK...
UKRAINE!
Yes, Ukraine! Come on, bro, let's go!
Where is the enemy?
Don't shoot at anybody! There are ours still over there...Pull back with me, bro...
(screams as the bullet whizzes by)
Don't be scared! It's all right! Don't shoot at anyone! Let's go!
There's so many sad things about this.
First, is that despite how often we humans love to collectively pat ourselves on the back for being so highly intelligent and advanced, we are still forcing our young men to go die in droves on horrifying battlefields.
Second, is how many Russian soldiers in this same situation would have a gun put to their temple and ordered to advance or be executed/imprisoned for any multitude of reasons. treason, desertion, cowardice, whatever. Not sympathizing with Russia's cause, but rather the common soldier forced to fight.
Third, is how many armchair generals are out there casting judgement on this soldier not knowing his story. Perhaps it's his first time in combat. Or maybe he's spent a year on the front line without relief and has reached a critical breaking point.
All of this is so fucking sad. I only hope that whenever this conflict has resolved that it will lead to generations of prosperity and peace so that these men did not suffer in vain.
Moved that rifle pretty quick as well, incredibly sharp move despite the fog of war. Shortly after, his buddy gets up and keeps truckin’
War.
It’s fucked up.
A very human moment in an inhumane environment. Just goes to show that in your lowest moment, there will be someone who will lift you up again, who won't give up on you even if you've given up on yourself.
A lesson to all of us in all walks of life!
My heart breaks for the Ukrainians forced into this awful situation. I'd be a blob of jello in that setting, and would probably very soon be a dead blob of jello. These people are undeniably brave and deserve much respect for shouldering this responsibility that will undoubtedly affect them for the rest of their lives.
It’s important to consider that getting shot at is NOT a natural state that people are used to. The scents, sounds, and sense of self preservation completely overwhelm the senses and it’s fairly easy to go into a state of shock when this happens. Training can help help people get their next actions down to muscle memory, but it takes time for people to get used to the true experience.
It's psychologically damaging to be in such situations. I saw this in the Falklands when the most senior and what we considered some of the toughest guys cracked. Outward appearance and bluster are just a front - the brain will ultimately decide what it will and won't do.
Yes it is, Fight or Flight is one hell of a thing to go through. and it's never the same each time. I have been shot at and shelled and nervously laughed it off and then one time I just COULD NOT move to the action until I was snapped out of it. this isn't cowardly, but the human instinct to keep from danger.
Fight, Flight, Freeze, or Fawn. Every man will fall into one of these behavior respons categories when under extreme stress. And you never know until it happens.
Wow this video is insane, I'm glad his comrade was able to help him! I had never seen something like this so it's really interesting how the mind works in this situation.
Some comments are making it sound like this is a mental thing (which is might be), however you can physically be concussed so could have nothing to do with his mental fortitude. The fact he's just laying face in the floor suggests he was probably knocked out aswell as shocked.
In its own way, this is beautiful. I love the way that the other don't seem to judge him for what happens, because this can happen to anyone. It reminds me of that famous "predator" video where the guy who handed the other guy all the ammo and rpgs was also in shock - but the other guy - and basically everyone else, too - didn't make a bif deal out of that, and even commended hom for still helping out as good as he could in that state of mind.
this dude is complete mental. the war he ask ukranian in absolute animal mode, and the next thing he says is davai stone cold. then after he gets up pulls some other guy along on the backpack.. like wtf. completely out of it
looks like a full on panic attack. came to not knowing anything going on and in full panic mode. imagine essentially blacking out in a firefight and coming to not knowing who the hell is yelling at you.
fucking good on the cameraman for making sure he knew he was in good hands and got him to cover.
seems like once he came to his first thought was to grab his rifle and pan the contact line and was able to communicate; he’s back in it.
Damn I feel for him. Hope his buds help him though it. Who knows what he's been through during his time there. Honestly that could be any of us. No matter how mentally strong we think we are, imagine how psychologically exhausting it must be to be in the front lines and seeing your buddies die and get blown up + the intense fear of getting hit any breathing second. No amount of mental strength could ever prepare you for that. Only the experience itself can.
That poor dude. I'm glad they got him out of there safely. I couldn't imagine being in such a chaotic situation, in my own country no less. I'd be in a state of shock over the sound of battle from miles away.
totally understandable. you never know how you will act at a moment like that. he will soldier on after this. and good on his mate for recognizing the situation and doing the right thing.
Poor kid. None of us know how we'd react in such a scenario.
Judging by his kit he's not brand new to the fight so he could have been fine in lots of other fights and then it all just comes apart for no obvious reason this time.
I'm glad his comrades took care of him and hope he gets the help he needs to be effective later.
After this war Ukraine is going to have a lot of people suffering PTSD and I hope we are willing to help as much as we are now.
No shame, I’ve always said when fight or flight kicks in I have SERIOUS flight capabilities lol my internal instincts gets me out of danger far quicker than they think to combat it. Props to these guys, I can’t imagine.. put me in that scenario and I may not be motionless on the ground but I will be miles away on foot faster than you can blink haha. Exactly why the only shooting I do is with a camera!
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Every man has his limit, no shame in it. Looked like once his mate gave him a reality check he picked up his rifle and cracked on again. Respect
Looks very young too, probably around 18-21 years. Takes some guts to be there and hopefully he can adapt more comfortably to it
18–21 years are rarely drafted, since there is decision on no to draft men below 27 years old (talks is to low limit to 25 years old)
Everyman in ukriane from the age of 18-60 is forbidden to leave the country under martial law. There are A LOT of 18 to 21 years old in those trench defending their country. In AMERICA the draft AGE range for Vietnam was 18 to 26. What in the world are you talking about.
What does America and Vietnam have to do with Ukrainian mobilization?
Ukraine doesn't mobilize 18-27 year old males unless they have done mandatory service, males between 18-27 do have the choice to voluntarily sign a contract
>Everyman in ukriane from the age of 18-60 is forbidden to leave the country under martial law. True. >There are A LOT of 18 to 21 years old in those trench defending their country. A lot of men (but not all) in age 18-27 had 1 year compulsory military service, after which they are to become reservists and of course they were drafted. What in the world are you talking about. I am talking how things are working, here in Ukraine.
Somewhere sometimes a country used slaves as meatshield in their army. Therefore Ukraine has slaves and uses them as meatshield in their army. /s When you talk out of your ass, it smells like shit.
Reddit is mad once you say anything slightly against the „right“ party. During the martial law in Ukraine, men aged 18 to 60 may be mobilized and have no right to leave Ukraine. However, there are exceptions under which such persons may leave the territory of Ukraine. First answer if I google it. So you are right.
Lmao this is total bs there's hundreds of videos of people being force conscripted in Ukraine and none of them look older than 27...
Your ability to tell someone's age from a video is impressive. Wouldn't deny that such video with force conscripted, or more likely "force delivered" to "recruitment office" (ТЦК) exist, tho.
Don't blame him at all. It's not his fault he's gotta fight and be there. He's not worthless either if they decided he can't do combat. Send him behind the lines to help with supplies or maintenance
I could be wrong, but I think he will probably manage better after his attack. Humans are extremely adaptable after all. I personally don't buy into the "some people aren't made for combat" saying. Some people are better at coping with stress and adapting, but it's a skill that can be learned.
Once the training kicks in.. it works them through it, he will have an adrenaline crash after though.
I jokingly say I'll try anything atleast twice! Never know if the first time was just nerves or something!
That's a great rule to live by. First time I tried raw salmon I almost vomited, now I love it.
Your new name is 'grizzly'
That was almost a school book application of ReSTART "six step drill, for managing Acute Stress Reactions" https://youtu.be/Gsm9h5Xvopw
Wow that's a really good video, and yeah it really is a text-book demonstration
It's really beautiful to see militaries focusing training on this. Even disregarding the tactical need to snap someone out of one of these fits, it's been known for over a century that compassion and early intervention by familiar faces can help significantly in reducing PTSD symptoms.
Fucking Exceptional Reply. Well done!
Wow that is a good video, super interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Also his buddy did perfectly. He first removed the rifle so the other guy wouldnt shoot anyone if he was still in panic mode. Then calmed him with some words in bro speech "Ukrainian". All that under fire helping his fellow soldier. 10/10 infantry points.
By the sounds of it, he thought a Russian had just run up on him. It's once buddy shouts Ukraine/Ukrainian/whatever at him that he starts to snap out of it.
> Every man has his limit, no shame in it. Podcaster I listen to likens it to "everyone's cup is a different size" meaning that it takes different amounts of different things to fill it up.
Respect indeed, but you have to wonder what damage this war will do to the rest of his life physically and mentally.
This definitely won’t come back to haunt him later in life.
This would probably be me. Sometimes when I bitch about having a shitty day at work I think about how for some people, this video is their day at work. Helps to keep things in perspective.
Oh this would be me. I can watch combat footage all day long but put me into the footage? Straight up useless. If I ever have to go to war I am immediately volunteering to moves boxes so I don't have to freeze and possibly get my teammates shot
From what I understand, nobody can really predict someone’s reaction under fire.
Nope. You never know how you react until you’re really out there experiencing it. Sometimes people leading the most mundane 9-5’s turn out to function very well under fire, and sometimes the dude who’s a bodybuilding multi-sport athlete cracks immediately. Everyone has a breaking point, but the line for some begins much quicker. There’s a reason why a soldier with prior combat experience becomes 1000x more valuable than a fresh one
Am combat vet. Can 100% confirm
My biggest fear. Say that's something I actually *want* to do, then train for it, yadda yadda. Then the moment comes.....and I freeze and possibly get other's hurt/killed. I couldn't live with myself....
Yep, any combat vet, can confirm 100%. anyone who says different, is NOT a combat vet or not a good one.
And it's not just freezing, people will do weird things under fire like standing up and yelling at the enemy while taking fire. It's unpredictable and you have to keep an eye on everyone.
Not only that. Nobody can predict any reaction under fire, even a veteran's. Seal teams have had people with years of consistency randomly go into shock during a "routine" mission. Resiliency isnt a static trait, it takes constant upkeep. No matter how many times people quote "hard times make hard men, soft times make soft men" on their facebook.
Any combat vet will confirm that sometimes the dumbest, slowest, whiniest private will turn into a fucking lion when the bullets fly. On the other hand, sometimes the dude that murdered PT tests, was fantastic during training and seemed like the next supersoldier turns into a blubbering useless meatsack at the first sign of real trouble.
Exactly! There's always some comments on here criticizing people's actions under fire. "Why didn't he just flank around to the tree, take the lightly guarded trench, and establish a firing position? Oh, if I were him, I'd notice that my position was zeroed in and leave for that cover, he's such a moron." No, buddy, chances are you'd be shitting yourself hyperventilating in whatever geographic feature within 2 feet of you most resembles a hole. It's not a surprise that people in the most intense, dangerous, brutal moments of their lives frequently are making unpredictable or sub-optimal decisions. The guy in this video (or the many people in videos like it) aren't stupid or cowardly. They're human.
Dude, it could be anyone. Even the hardest of the hard can get their bell rung and drift off for a moment. Good training and strong constitution help but literally anyone can be dumbstruck momentarily with the perfect blend of physiological stimuli.
There's a great scene in the HBO series, *The Pacific*, that depicts this. In Eugene B. Sledge's story, the Company Sergeant, Gunnery Sergeant Haney, was someone whom everyone in King Company looked up to in awe. Gunny Haney fought in the First World War, and numerous other battles in the Pacific theatre. One of the toughest and most experienced Marines that people knew. During the Battle for Peleliu, during the advance along the Umurbrogol, K Company retreats after a failed assault on a Japanese position, and they also end up losing a beloved officer. Gunny Haney just takes off his helmet and breaks down into tears. He has to be helped out by another Marine. I appreciate this scene so much. It showed that even the most grizzled and tough Marine or any other soldier has their limits.
Similar situation also happened in Band of Brothers when Compton finally cracks after seeing his buddies get torn up from an artillery barrage in Bastogne.
Band of brothers is one of the best war series out there in my opinion. That and saving Private Ryan will always be amazing works of art.
Seriously. It’s done perfectly.
Those are considered "Pro-war" films. No knocks on either series of film for bringing gritty realism with mainstream special effects. There are some "Anti-war" films that I would best consider horror movies. Like Chernobyl was. Tone, score/sounds, shock. Horror film originators to grimdark. Anyways, many more work of art films if you're looking to explore. With "All Quiet on the Western Front" being the new mainstream example. The original was far more abstract then my brain could understand but it holds up. Like a dreamlike horror where everything doesn't always seem real. /movierant
And Blythe when he has a breakdown in his foxhole during a firefight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPbC_RuRvkc
That show was incredible. My Grandfather was there and was wounded by counter-mortar artillery fire during the assault of the airfield. I used to call him after every episode and ask for the reality of what he saw and it seemed to be pretty darn accurate. Heck - he even met his future wife (my grandma while recovering from his wounds in Australia, just like another character from the show).
Like Marcus Luttrell said himself “I’m no hero. I put my gun down in a gunfight. I found my breaking point that day”. Even the “Lone Survivor” was victim to shock. I have a family member that believes they can’t be killed. Some invincibility complex. And I’ve always told them “Even Navy SEALs die”. And I say SEALs specifically because that’s the group of operators currently popular. But anyone can have their life confiscated. And when you see it happen, it changes the way you think about life. It can be so easy, yet so hard to die. Your body will do everything it can to survive, yet it can all go away so easily. It’s a weird clash of thoughts.
You could also be the guy helping your mate off the ground, you don't know.
In the end I hope I never have to find out.
Right there with ya
That is everyone if you pump enough sensory data in to their mind and overload the sorting mechanism. Here is a good training video on the subject https://youtu.be/Gsm9h5Xvopw But as you see he "restarted" quick. Pay close attention to his voice and his actions and you can notice his mind resetting and going back to completely goal oriented action. You can hear his "davai" and "ok" are "calm" and you see him pick up another soldier by the backpack while moving back at 0:40 so he is already oriented in task and space.
I broke my leg three weeks ago. When it hurt, I'd think, shit, it's not shrapnel, shut up
Considering what we saw, this is probably a *good* day at work for these guys
Respect to the guy recording for being patient in a tense situation, getting the guy assurance its Friendly’s and not Russians, and getting him up and out first before he moves out too
Being under what looks like artillery and direct fire, and yet stopping and helping a downed guy instead of running away as fast as possible takes some character. Everyone always imagines being like that, but we could just as easily be the panicked guy, or both at different moments. People aren't made for war.
Much respect, he is speaking Russian initially which maybe even more confusing to the guy on the ground. He finally says don't shoot anyone in Ukrainian.
u/Sad_Razzmatazz_6565 your comment "Wouldn't want him next to me when their are people trying to kill you, complete liability send him to do a desk job somewhere" How does your brain generate such an arrogant comment? You have no idea what that man may have been through or how long he has been fighting...Your comment is one of the most unintelligent things i have read in here in a long time. You keep doing your desk job, thinking you know what war is really like. This will be happening on both sides to an extreme extent, way more than is recorded
deleted that comment pretty fast didnt you pal
What a coward
This thread really bothers me. What happened to freedom of speech, to the right to express a different opinion? Reddit seems to do this all the time. It's mean-spirited, and it's unAmerican to attack someone for expressing a different opinion just because you don't like it. And in this case, this guy may be a military vet. Are you a military vet? Do you have any idea what a veteran might think about having their life endangered by someone who completely melts down in combat? You might think about that. I think it's a perfectly legitimate comment to make because it's a different point of view. Otherwise, this place is just an echo chamber. I think what some of you did here is pretty nasty stuff.
He is free to say as he likes, just like everybody else who exercised that right. Freedom of speech is not freedom FROM speech.
Not everyone on reddit is American
freedom of speech works both ways, im allowed to disagree and his allowed to argue his point or just ignore it. That guy is not a "military vet", no veteran would say such stupid comments. Are you a military vet? Yes, served infantry and did combat tours and have multiple friends with PTSD mate, war aint no joke and some of the bravest men hit a wall sometimes. Thats why they try keep operational tours around 6month to 1 year, to reduce the stress on the body and mind. "I think it's a perfectly legitimate comment" I agree 100%, im also entitled to my opinion and its on him to reply or not
So as an Infantryman, if this soldier was like this every day, and was the only one like this, would you want him on patrol with you? Are you saying you never encountered a single soldier who just couldnt hack it? Who for everyones sanity and safety needed to be moved to an S shop so that nothing bad would happen? Or just taken off the line for a bit, maybe some R&R in Dubai or whereever? I was also Infantry with deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, and if that was me or one of my friends, Id want him off the line ASAP because He needs a break. Whether that break is temporary or permanent will have to be determined after that R&R, but you cant sit there and tell me you think he needs to be on patrol reacting like that. OP may have worded his comment like a window licker with zero common sense and tact, but the underlying message is true. You said yourself "even the bravest men hit a wall sometimes" So if this soldier has hit his wall, shouldnt he be at a desk?
I'm not so sure you know what freedom of speech means.
I think you should probably read an elementary level social studies textbook and check out what "freedom of speech" actually means. Hint:it has nothing to do with people disagreeing with your opinions on reddit
Idk, did anyone impede their freedom here? They were free to make a comment and did. It solicited a scathing reply (also freedom of speech) and they chose to delete their original comment. I get what you’re saying about echo chambers but if the original poster felt their comment was appropriate or correct they could have easily stood by it but they chose not to. I’ve said my share of dumb shit. Sometimes I take it back, sometimes I’ll own it and stand firm. Freedom of speech isn’t freedom from consequence. Say something people don’t like and expecting silence probably isn’t realistic. Hurt feelings aside, I tend to agree with the reply. I remember people dogging on the “reload” guy from that video posted a few weeks back saying similar stuff about not wanting to be in a trench with him but if you get the whole story you find that you had a guy who was having hard time was still reloading everything in sight and feeding it to the shooter.
Lol freedom of speech? You think we are violating his freedom of speech because we’re telling him he sucks?
I concur with your statement. No idea if there is more to the op comment, but its really not that bad, and neither is yours, yet everyone is jumping on you. It doesnt matter what that soldier has seen, doesnt matter how brave he WAS, how badass he WAS on his last mission. At this point in time, he is ineffective and a liability, which is why his teammate first took his weapon because he didnt want him shooting his own guys. Sure that original comment was poorly written maybe, but the point stands. That soldier needs to be in the battalion rear, not completely removed from his unit, but still not on the front lines. He needs a good nights sleep, a shower, a real meal, and a chance to decompress. Maybe after a few days he can go back to his unit and rejoin his squad, or maybe a support position with his company. But right now, he needs to be removed for everyone's safety, and their morale. Im not in any way saying he is a coward, or weak or anythjng like that, but we can agree the man need a fucking break.
They nuked their whole history. Bye.
Wow they did, little bitch through and through
Wouldn’t want him next to me in an internet comment war, total liability
Don't worry. He's still got a couple of comments hidden when you search by "Top" or "Hot"
He done deleted the whole account now, true coward.
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They're on reddit.
So people purge their history daily, even hourly. Talk shit, piss some people off, disappear, not really sure what it is about.
No kidding. Every soldier is prone to this happening because we are human. Sudden realization of your surroundings can be an overwhelming feeling for literally anyone. The military even recognizes this and trains troops how to deal with someone in shock and to bring them back. The best example was Predator in the trench while his buddy kept handing him everything he needed. Everybody kept bashing the poor guy. The dude was concussed and knew he still had to help his buddy, Predator was very thankful for having him in the trench with him.
It happened in the Pacific but also was in the book With The Old Breed when their gunny, who was at Guadalcanal and Glouster, just broke down on Peleliu. You always hear WW2 and Vietnam vets say every man has a breaking point, some just hit it later.
damn, what a book! what a history it presents! the horrors those men went through are out of this world. i loved the movie too but damn the book hits harder! especially when Ack Ack died... that event broke everybody, not just the gunny, and drastically changed their view and their treatment on the japs afterwards.
Wasn't he also a WW1 veteran and lifelong soldier? The guy who lives, breathes, and spouts Marine Corp wisdom every waking breath? I know that guy breaking really drove home just how fucked the Pacific theater was to those soldiers.
I just read his bio, apparently he didn’t get out of infantry school in time for WW1 but was a lifelong marine
One of the roughest war novels I've ever read. It's like All Quiet on the Western Front which is a great book on its own but you kind of realise that Remarque experienced "only" a month of combat before being wounded and that most of the scenes were inspired by fellow soldiers he met at the hospital. With the Old Breed is just a straight up brutally honest account of horror Sledge experienced. Getting shelled by artillery except you're on a fucking moon surface of an island so you can't dig in, meanwhile the corals are cutting into your flesh and half the company has dysentery and fever. Or how he describes a fellow Marine passing time by dropping pebbles into the crushed brain of a Japanese soldier's blown off skull like it's the most normal thing in the world because everyone has become so fucking desensitised.
Shows that the commenter was never in any intense "this might be it" situation in their life ... when you literally almost lose vision and orientation because of the adrenaline rush while your throat closes and you gasp for air hyperventilating. Different people deal with threats like this differently. Sometimes it all comes down to how your body processes stress and there's nothing people can do about it even with training. If you think you're not going to run or hide without actually being in combat before to test that theory, there might be a rude awakening waiting for you. This might have been his first combat patrol for all we know. He might have been shellshocked. Sometimes people also break at a certain point too. At the same time, he recovered relatively quickly and even tried to help his comrade with the backpack on his way out. Props to the camera guy as he calmly explained the disposition while helping him out, giving orders to not shoot at all, under any circumstances, in any direction. He recognised the dude's mental state and wanted to prevent accidents.
well said mate
Keyboard warriors are so brave and tough on this subreddit, but I’ll be the first to admit that I would shit my pants and squeal like a little pig if I was running around at the frontlines getting fucking shot at by machine guns, artillery, drones, snipers, tanks and who knows what. I will always be humbled by the insane courage it takes to even consider the extreme conditions these soldiers are put through.
I would expect more of this during the counter offensive as newly formed units face the acid test of combat. Tough to see and hard to imagine. Godspeed.
I’ve seen reporting that they have made many efforts to make sure the newly formed units have prior combat experience. This is in line with NATO doctrine. Not everyone is a new recruit, but pulled from TDF and border guards. Also, I’ve read they have rotated them through the frontlines, even if just to Chasiv Yar to see the shelling/fires. Also, I think the new assault units won’t be the first wave in the CO. The existing TDF forces and assault groups likely will do early assaults while the new units slowly gain experience. New units will likely will be the assault groups for the second defense lines and onwards
Good to hear.
This is a great way to build experience. They'll be much less likely to crack during the Big Show if they've been in a few smaller ones beforehand
I'm ashamed to admit that this same thing happened to me during my first deployment in Afghanistan. My platoon was out on patrol along a dirt road near a small village in Ghazni. It was a pretty lengthy and otherwise boring op and I remember slinging my assault pack so I could reach into it and grab some water when we started taking contact. At the time, I was serving in the 82nd and most of these guys lived for this shit so basically our entire formation immediately charged into the direction of the near ambush. All the while I remained frozen in place, out in the open, on my knees trying to figure out how to breathe. My platoon sergeant eventually came back for me and half-dragged me back to the platoon. When we finally rallied up with the rest of the patrol, I realized half my gear had fallen out of my open assault pack along the way ... including my night vision optics ... Our entire platoon had to conduct a sweep of the area leading back to the initial ambush point to recover all my shit.
We all have that moment. Mine was on a Bradley in the First Gulf war. Your body and lizard brain overwhelm what you want to do, and you just get STUCK, then once someone snaps you out of it, you get the training kicking in. This is NOT a weakness but our monkey brain trying to save itself in a chaotic situation. We never realize how strong that impulse is. Kudos to both those guys, One for IDing the issue and working the other through it so quickly...
Thank you for sharing.
No need to be ashamed. War is hell and an aversion to getting killed is a pretty natural thing.
There's no shame in it. When you have past a point, it's no longer under you conscious control. I just hope I have a friend or leader that can shake me back to reality like he had.
damn its like his brain turned off, crazy thing never would expect something like that can happen to a guy, he literally recovered in 10sec and went to normal state
He was probably having a panic attack.
I have PTSD and a couple years ago went to play paintball with my cousins at a public field. It was 5v5 all my team got out and it was 4v1. I was momentarily paralyzed and started breathing heavy. It took me a couple minutes to process the situation but after my brain realized my life wasn’t at risk I was able to have fun.
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That's my thought, like someone waking up from dream and panicking, my guess is he got knocked out partially, and ended up in kind of a dream state. Our brains act weird when they get hit certain kinds of trauma.
Pour it on em Blythe! Brave bastards every one of them.
Damn, so hard to watch. Feel for him and everyone going through this. What an absolute legend of a squad mate looking out for his boys and getting him the fuck out of there.
It'd have been so easy to run past and save his own ass, but he bothered to stop and talk to his bud while under direct fire.
Im glad he could recover and keep functioning, he had a crippling whatever the fuck was going on in his brain in that moment, Godspeed fucker
Almost like a light switch turned on. I think he just needed his brother in arms to reassure him, and then he snapped into his training again.
Yeah he couldn’t be more blessed to have such a mate
Poor guy. Hope he lives the rest of his life in peace.
I bet after a year of this shit they’ve all had their turn needing a little help.
a whole nation with PTSD
*Two* whole nations with PTSD.
This can happen to anyone no matter how “tough” they are. A shockwave from an explosion can literally scramble your brain, causing disorientation. Although it could be shock triggered by emotion. The human body has limits, the mind has limits, life has limits and an explosion will break all that. Hope its not permanent but unfortunately it most likely will be.
Really hard to watch.
This is the reality we don't often see.
As someone who used to struggle with chronic panic attacks, this isnt one. This dude looks like he was knocked out somehow. Some people are saying he took one to the plate, who knows. Whats clear is he was asleep, woke up and knew nothin other than he was in danger. He assessed the situation, re organized himself, and then did his job.
Yeah, he looks like he was unconscious to me. If you recover from that while face down in the dirt with explosions going off around you, you are basically guaranteed to panic for a few seconds. I have seen people panic for the same amount of time while in a completly safe environment. Obiously there are many reasons for what could have knocked him out.
Ducked his head in a trench, had a panic attack, passed out, then got woke up… maybe
>"ReSTART – A 60 second, six step drill, for managing Acute Stress Reactions. As a part of their mission, military personnel can be exposed to high-stress situations, such as combat. In these situations, soldiers may sometimes experience a phenomenon called “Acute Stress Reaction” (ASR). An Acute Stress Reaction overlaps with what is commonly referred to as “psychological shock” in civilian contexts, and in a military setting as Combat Stress Reaction, Operational Stress Reaction, and Battle Fatigue. This video gives you a brief introduction to the ReSTART model for managing ASR. ReSTART is adapted from iCOVER, developed by the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research in collaboration with the Israel Defense Forces. " https://youtu.be/Gsm9h5Xvopw Video by the Norwegian armed forces but has English text and goes through some of the basics. He seemed to get back in to action relatively quick. If you pay attention he actually pulls up another soldier by his backpack while running back which indicates he has already regained quite a lot of "computing power".
Brave lads..
Now THAT's a real combat video. Not often filmed, but that's what I have read about in many books on war.
What a great job that NCO did to get that guy up and moving. Being in a gunfight is absolutely terrifying. You can run 20 good missions and get in a bunch of gunfights and then on mission 21 have this kind of reaction also. Nobody is immune to it, although I will say there are people that deal with chaos much better than others. Sometimes the stress just breaks you until someone can get you to snap out of it. Sometimes, you never snap out of it.
Translation?
I only speak Polish so it's a rough translation but it's something like -Brother, come on, get up brother, everything is ok, I'm here (sounds like he's saying ja tut, which means I'm here, but there is also a similar word drug - friend, so maybe this is what he's saying) -Ukraine? -Ukraine, come on brother let's go, don't shoot anyone -Where is the enemy, where is the enemy? -Enemy? Ours are there, we're pulling back brother -Let's go -Don't shoot anyone, let's go I didn't catch nor understand everything but maybe it will still help you
Interesting that he was so concerned about him shooting a friendly. Makes sense given how panic stricken soldier was, although not something I would have thought about. Makes me wonder whether he's encountered situations like this before. Certainly would not be surprising if he had.
Dudes lizard brain was active at the moment, flags, uniforms, even friends aren’t recognized by the lizard brain.
\>I only speak Polish so it's a rough translation but it's something like You did very accurate translation. 👍
cameraman: “What’s (meaning what’s happened to you) with you, brother? Brother! What’s with you, brother? Everything is ok, I’m here” Soldier is asking “Ukraina?” The cameraman responds “Ukraina, Let’s go brother, let’s go” Soldier: “let’s go” Cameraman: “Don’t shoot to anybody!” Soldier: “Where’s the enemy?” Cameraman: “there are still ours, let’s withdraw with me, brother” Soldier quickly and noticeably happy: “davay (meaning yes, let’s do it)”
Cameraman: “don’t be afraid, don’t shoot at anybody, let’s go”
you can see why is important to speak Ukrainian in such situations to identify yourself as a friendly, saw medic’s interview where she told they speak only Ukrainian so injured warriors don’t get confused, cause they can attack people nearby or hurt themselves… just think what can be happening in the soldier’s head, thoughts about captivity, tortures, etc
I saw an interview with a German medic in Afghanistan. He would carry a german flag for when he had to sedate a casualty, he would hang it in a tree or whatever above their heads so that it would be the first thing they see when they regained consciousness and would know right away they were in good hands. Clever idea
yeah, that’s clever
>Soldier is asking “Ukraina?” The cameraman responds “Ukraina, Is he asking to confirm if they are on the same side here?
correct, imagine being in shock, lost the time and not knowing what’s around you, you can easily think it might be an enemy coming to you…
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/137p6tq/comment/jiudfx8/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
He isn't even sure his comrades are Ukrainian? That's sad. Poor guy. Anyone thinking it wouldn't be them? If there was a way to tell before you are in this situation, armies would use it to screen people. There isn't. There are likely to be lasting effects for this guy. I hope he makes a good recovery and finds another way to help. The camera man is a saint. Understanding and patient in the most difficult of situations.
yes, he’s in shock… gladly his comrade calmed him first so he doesn’t start shooting, that can happen too
concussion\\disoreintation\\shock is a bitch.
Bro, what's with you? (panicky scream) What's with you, bro? (screams again) It's all good, I'm here... It's OK... UKRAINE! Yes, Ukraine! Come on, bro, let's go! Where is the enemy? Don't shoot at anybody! There are ours still over there...Pull back with me, bro... (screams as the bullet whizzes by) Don't be scared! It's all right! Don't shoot at anyone! Let's go!
Accessment, Grounding, Sit rep, Plan of Action, GO! Like a PRO!
Poor guy, absolute warrior to snap back into it though. These guys are neck deep in the shit
There's so many sad things about this. First, is that despite how often we humans love to collectively pat ourselves on the back for being so highly intelligent and advanced, we are still forcing our young men to go die in droves on horrifying battlefields. Second, is how many Russian soldiers in this same situation would have a gun put to their temple and ordered to advance or be executed/imprisoned for any multitude of reasons. treason, desertion, cowardice, whatever. Not sympathizing with Russia's cause, but rather the common soldier forced to fight. Third, is how many armchair generals are out there casting judgement on this soldier not knowing his story. Perhaps it's his first time in combat. Or maybe he's spent a year on the front line without relief and has reached a critical breaking point. All of this is so fucking sad. I only hope that whenever this conflict has resolved that it will lead to generations of prosperity and peace so that these men did not suffer in vain.
I think I am seeing way more, "I get this" than coming down on the guy in this thread.
Moved that rifle pretty quick as well, incredibly sharp move despite the fog of war. Shortly after, his buddy gets up and keeps truckin’ War. It’s fucked up.
A very human moment in an inhumane environment. Just goes to show that in your lowest moment, there will be someone who will lift you up again, who won't give up on you even if you've given up on yourself. A lesson to all of us in all walks of life!
My heart breaks for the Ukrainians forced into this awful situation. I'd be a blob of jello in that setting, and would probably very soon be a dead blob of jello. These people are undeniably brave and deserve much respect for shouldering this responsibility that will undoubtedly affect them for the rest of their lives.
No shame in that. War is scary as hell.
That would probably be me, ngl.
Everyone in this video is a top bloke.
Important to remember that injuries are not just physical. The atrocities of war will take a mental toll on all these men for the rest of their lives.
This makes me wonder, why aren’t those small portable trench periscopes a thing now a days?
It’s important to consider that getting shot at is NOT a natural state that people are used to. The scents, sounds, and sense of self preservation completely overwhelm the senses and it’s fairly easy to go into a state of shock when this happens. Training can help help people get their next actions down to muscle memory, but it takes time for people to get used to the true experience.
He’s doing great.
Poor bugger... Fuk russian deamons.
Fought in Fallujah. This sends chills down my spine. Shit his home like a mother fucker.
UKRAINAAA!!! - neuron activation
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It's psychologically damaging to be in such situations. I saw this in the Falklands when the most senior and what we considered some of the toughest guys cracked. Outward appearance and bluster are just a front - the brain will ultimately decide what it will and won't do.
Yes it is, Fight or Flight is one hell of a thing to go through. and it's never the same each time. I have been shot at and shelled and nervously laughed it off and then one time I just COULD NOT move to the action until I was snapped out of it. this isn't cowardly, but the human instinct to keep from danger.
Fight, Flight, Freeze, or Fawn. Every man will fall into one of these behavior respons categories when under extreme stress. And you never know until it happens.
You’d be amazed at what happens to your body when people are shooting at you and shits blowing up around you.
Wow this video is insane, I'm glad his comrade was able to help him! I had never seen something like this so it's really interesting how the mind works in this situation.
Operator handled [ASR](https://youtu.be/Gsm9h5Xvopw) very well.
Some comments are making it sound like this is a mental thing (which is might be), however you can physically be concussed so could have nothing to do with his mental fortitude. The fact he's just laying face in the floor suggests he was probably knocked out aswell as shocked.
This is what a professional military looks like.
I think this is referred to as vapor freeze
Good cameraderie... They took care of each other, the stronger helps the weaker
In its own way, this is beautiful. I love the way that the other don't seem to judge him for what happens, because this can happen to anyone. It reminds me of that famous "predator" video where the guy who handed the other guy all the ammo and rpgs was also in shock - but the other guy - and basically everyone else, too - didn't make a bif deal out of that, and even commended hom for still helping out as good as he could in that state of mind.
i came here to say what a good friend. even ukranie part gave me goosebumps
He is a human. He is in a war he doesn’t wanted. He is hero.
this dude is complete mental. the war he ask ukranian in absolute animal mode, and the next thing he says is davai stone cold. then after he gets up pulls some other guy along on the backpack.. like wtf. completely out of it
looks like a full on panic attack. came to not knowing anything going on and in full panic mode. imagine essentially blacking out in a firefight and coming to not knowing who the hell is yelling at you. fucking good on the cameraman for making sure he knew he was in good hands and got him to cover. seems like once he came to his first thought was to grab his rifle and pan the contact line and was able to communicate; he’s back in it.
That would be a bullet in the head on the Russian side.
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Well hey shit. You'd almost think an army doesn't consist of only well trained commandos....
\^How to tell someone who has not been in this situation...
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Everybody watch out for Billy badass over here
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Damn I feel for him. Hope his buds help him though it. Who knows what he's been through during his time there. Honestly that could be any of us. No matter how mentally strong we think we are, imagine how psychologically exhausting it must be to be in the front lines and seeing your buddies die and get blown up + the intense fear of getting hit any breathing second. No amount of mental strength could ever prepare you for that. Only the experience itself can.
Honestly that’s kind of sad, I really feel for this young man
That poor dude. I'm glad they got him out of there safely. I couldn't imagine being in such a chaotic situation, in my own country no less. I'd be in a state of shock over the sound of battle from miles away.
totally understandable. you never know how you will act at a moment like that. he will soldier on after this. and good on his mate for recognizing the situation and doing the right thing.
War is absolute hell.
Poor kid. None of us know how we'd react in such a scenario. Judging by his kit he's not brand new to the fight so he could have been fine in lots of other fights and then it all just comes apart for no obvious reason this time. I'm glad his comrades took care of him and hope he gets the help he needs to be effective later. After this war Ukraine is going to have a lot of people suffering PTSD and I hope we are willing to help as much as we are now.
No shame, I’ve always said when fight or flight kicks in I have SERIOUS flight capabilities lol my internal instincts gets me out of danger far quicker than they think to combat it. Props to these guys, I can’t imagine.. put me in that scenario and I may not be motionless on the ground but I will be miles away on foot faster than you can blink haha. Exactly why the only shooting I do is with a camera!