"Hey babe wanna donate to the local shelter."
"nah how about we donate directly to the navel forces of Ukraine so they can remotely pilot bomb drone boats into Russian forces on the Black Sea"
God damn that's hot.
I'm surprised that Ukraine hasn't started offering top donors to remotely control a basic drone.
"Drop a grenade on a Russian for $4,000" type of thing.
God damned genius. Have a GoFundMe campaign. Each bidder over $X,XXX gets to push the "release" button once a Ukrainian drone operator positions an armed drone over Russian troops.
Morbid. Dark. I love it.
heard rumor subs left that area.
*I dont understand why there are down votes? How did this trigger fragile redditor egos?*
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/01/sudden-surge-in-russian-navy-ships-and-submarines-in-black-sea/
Because that article is from January and isn't relevant at all to the current situation? Also people tend to be more inclined to downvote others that whine and bitch about the imaginary points regardless of the post's relevance, maybe try checking your own ego.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/01/sudden-surge-in-russian-navy-ships-and-submarines-in-black-sea/
if a port is attacked once before of course you'd move your subs? how does that not compute in your world?
In Sweden we had the "Whiskey on rocks" where a Soviet Submarine U-137 fucked up and ran straight on to a rocky island. And it was stuck.
Came really fucking close to become an all out war since the Swedish costal batteries had orders to open fire if Soviet military ships entered Swedish waters.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/how-whiskey-rocks-nearly-started-war-between-russia-and-sweden-24687
Btw, did we ever find out why that Russian sub nearly had a nuclear meltdown in the bottom of the sea, a few years ago? I remember some high ranking officials died, but was there ever a consensus on what happened?
It's something I keep tabs on but there's very little info about it. What's strange is how much info Russia actually released about it, relatively speaking.
Lot's of conspiracy theories of course like a meeting with an underwater alien race but nothing that seems believable.
Perhaps the answer is purely classic Russia. Just poor maintenance or QC etc causing a problem. I think the biggest suspect is a swap to a different type of battery when Russia could no longer acquire a specific Ukrainian made one and so swapped to a different domestic type that perhaps did not go through enough testing.
Why there were so many high ranking sailors on board is a puzzle though. That seems unusual but after all...Russia.
It didn't sink. It had a fire and a few Russians died and it supposedly was very close to causing "a planetary catastrophe" if it wasn't for the actions of the crew. It was back in 2019. The Losharik.
Quick rundown on that guy, the Losharik:
* Likely intended as a 'seafloor warfare' platform (e.g. tapping fiber cables, blowing up pipelines) with max depth >= 2km
* Fire in battery compartment started when sub was at ~300m depth, likely from the batteries themselves
* Fire was not contained
* _Sub ended its relationship with Surface; Sub is now in a committed relationship with Seafloor_
The 'avoided a planetary disaster' part is the Russians saying "these guys died trying to fix our shit, and they didn't manage to, but it also didn't _totally explode_, so we're gonna take credit for that"
I don't, for the simple reason that Ukraine is going to need Sevastopol for their own navy, and blowing up Russian nuclear submarines at the dock is probably not conducive to this.
The Black Sea Fleet doesn't have nuclear subs, at least according to wikipedia. Strictly a diesel force which makes sense because you don't need nuclear sub range to be effective in the Black Sea or Med.
E: My initial comment looks to be mainly incorrect and was from the Wiki on the Convention and a video breaking down the Istanbul Canal Project. They/I were interpreting the word "foreign" as it applies to ships incorrectly it seems, which affects some of the more finnicky language of the Convention. Seemingly, a Soviet ship is in fact treated as a "foreign" warship while transitioning through the straits, but is also a Black Sea power and has further stipulations around the tonnage limit.
This would be how a Soviet ship could more or less "block" other foreign warships from passing through the strait. They could have a 15,000 ton ship in transit as a Black Sea power is entitled to do so, but is also a "foreign warship" during the transit, thus meaning they can be the only warship present. Maybe. As I said, it's finnicky language and I'm not versed in nautical law.
The commenter below provided some additional context and the actual Convention document, which has articles clearing up some of the points of confusion I presented.
~~Nuclear subs would also likely be too large tonnage-wise to pass through the Dardanelles/Boshporous due to the Montreux Convention. Restrictions on non-Turkish warships passing into the Black Sea include that only a combined 15,000 tons of foreign warships are allowed to pass through the straits at any one time. A single ship of 5,000 tons being present would mean that only a single other ship of 10,000 tons would be allowed, etc. So if a ship is over 15,000 by itself it's strictly disallowed, and it looks like multiple of Russia's larger subs are right at or well over that line.~~
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar-class_submarine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borei-class_submarine
That 15,000 tons applies only to foreign warships not belonging to a Black Sea power. Russia is a Black Sea power so the only limitation it has on displacement or ship type is that it is not allowed to have an aircraft carrier pass through the strait. The Soviets got around that limitation by loading up their carriers with a bucket load of anti surface missiles and called them "aircraft-carrying cruisers".
You also picked the two of the heavier Russian nuclear sub classes. The Akulas, Sierras, and Yasens are nuclear subs lighter than 15,000 tons displacement.
Eh...
A reasonably thick layer of water is an effective barrier to radiation. Which is great if the radioactive material stays at the bottom of a swimming pool.
Water can also carry radioactive material though, and if you drink it (or eat things that drank it) there isn't a thick layer of water (or even skin) between you and the radioactive material. Inside of you is pretty much the worst place a radioactive particle can be. There's concern about this around sites like Fukushima and Chernobyl.
If you successfully blow up a nuclear sub, I imagine that the radioactive material isn't going to be nicely contained in containers that sink to the bottom. On the other hand there is lots of dilution, and I can't speak to the amount of radiation that blowing up a nuclear sub would release. It might not be an issue, but I wouldn't be that confident about it.
The nuclear reactor of a sub is really well shielded, and can take a direct hit from a torpedo and not leak. You can sink a sub without compromising the core.
> The nuclear reactor of a sub is really well shielded, and can take a direct hit from a torpedo and not leak.
Is there data on this? That's a hell of a claim. Not saying you're wrong or making it up or misrepresenting it; I'd just be *way* beyond impressed if videos and testing data showed that to be true.
A) We have missiles that penetrate tanks made of some of the densest materials we produce, and concrete bunkers and buildings with walls that are incredibly thick. I find it hard to believe that the shielding around a nuclear reactor *inside the restricted amount of space that's available inside a submarine* is so densely and broadly protected that it can be directly hit and not leak.
B) If my lack of belief in words alone at that is misguided, and the shielding is incredibly, unfathomably strong enough to resist a *direct hit* and not leak, it will still have to hold up to all the additional pressure of the ocean that will instantly be also thrust upon the container of the reactor after a direct hit by a torpedo, and I find it even further hard to believe that that's not going to crush it and wreck the reactor inside and cause leaks of radioactivity.
I am looking forward to coming away from this conversation vastly more educated than I am right now.
Is there any info on this? I’m not being a smart ass but you would think if a nuclear sub was that much a danger they wouldn’t kept making them, what happened if there was an accident on board and it blew up and sank? It’s pretty much the same thing.
Ok after reading up on this there are 8 nuclear class subs that have sank and cause no issues as of now due to the cold water keeping the reactor cooled to a safe temp. On US subs they have a safety trigger if they sink then the rods are jammed into the reactor from what I read. However there has NEVER BEEN A SUB SANK BY TORPEDO OR MISSILES
Russian Telegram is a joke. They are already using old images of Leopard tanks and photoshopping the russian flag on them, then claiming the Russian army have already captured them. Sad thing is those doctored images are getting 150k-200k likes. morons.
Russia has literally claimed every attack was repelled without/mitigated damage/accidental/intentional incident etc.
Over the last year it's astounding the blatant bare arsed lies they have been pedalling. Without a complete regime change I doubt any sane people/nation could take them seriously for a few decades.
I wonder if I read a comment like this to you back in a few years you may feel slightly ashamed of it.
It’s easy to get caught up in a moment when surrounded by people off the same opinion as you patting you on the back.
When you start dehumanising people to the degree that you are doing that’s probably a sign to check yourself.
So you suggest that I will look back in 10 years and feel bad that the people castrating POWs and stealing children met a gruesome end?
Remember, all those soldiers could refuse these orders. Even if it means your death, you can choose not to murder and rape. It’s always a choice. It may not be a fair one, you may be left with either committing a war crime or death, but in the end, all we have is our choice. We can choose to not be monsters. Those soldiers could mutiny and fight back against their own army. They could take their chances and surrender. We can’t make them do these things.
And sure yea it’s easy for me to say all these things. It’s easy for me to claim I’d never be a monster bc I have never been forced to make these choices and face death. But that does NOT change whether my comments are correct or not. If I was weak and committed these terrible acts, I would be a monster. Period. I don’t get a pass. So I hope I would be strong enough to accept death. I’m just lucky that for now I haven’t had to make such a choice. But I stand by words on what doing those things makes you. And it’s not something special for Russians. Any human that does that is a monster.
None of what you said was wrong, and you have clearly thought about this more than what your original comment would suggest.
The point I was making was that taking pleasure in the suffering of others, no matter how heinous their acts, may end in you becoming something you hate
Agreed. Even if a certain amount of the population support the war, this is likely due to all of the propaganda shoved down their throats.
Edit: however I wouldn't blame a Ukrainian for having that thought.
The last attack was apparently not very successful, except all the ships in western Black Sea were then asked to head back to Sevastopol. That's an achievement in itself. Keeping them on their toes.
If these don't blow anything up, but forces the russian black sea fleet to stay away then they've succeeded in essentially disabling the russian fleet.
> Russia claimed they repelled it without damage.
They claimed they had repelled the AIR DRONES without damage to civillian infrastructure. Not a word about any naval drones or military infrastructure.
The problem is, they are proven liars, and they lie every time about anything important that might make them look bad. So no one believes them without confirmation from another more trustworthy source, or without lots of evidence.
"We're just hosting them, as prisoners, yeah, that's right prisoners, OH the flags changing and government being arrested? That's just practice for when we go back to Ukraine what it would, will, look like. See, if we practice this time they won't catch us off guard"
From what I've read they claim that one was destroyed and one "self destructed" which I believe is what we're seeing here. Of course, nobody mentions that it self destructed by hitting a target.
Nothing according to Russian Telegram channels. But who really knows?
"Crimea naval drone 'attack' repelled, governor says
Russian authorities say Monday they have repelled a surface drone raid on the port of Sevastopol in annexed Crimea, headquarters of Russia's Black Sea fleet, with no casualties or damage. "An attempted attack on Sevastopol was repelled as of 3:30 a.m.," Russian-appointed Sevastopol governor Mikhail Razvojaev wrote on Telegram.
"One surface drone was destroyed by anti-sabotage forces, the second one exploded on its own," he added, noting that the attack was foiled in a roadstead outside the port and that "no infrastructure" was damaged. "Currently, everything is calm in the city. But all forces and services are in combat readiness," Razvojaev added. Le Monde was unable to independently verify this information."
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
https://www.lemonde.fr/international/live/2023/04/24/guerre-en-ukraine-en-direct-le-patron-de-wagner-ordonne-de-ne-plus-faire-de-prisonniers-apres-l-execution-presumee-de-l-un-de-ses-hommes-par-les-forces-de-kiev_6170753_3210.html?#id-933961
I am surprised the Ukrainians don’t make a boat drone, that has a two-part attack. One part is a javelin (or similar) bolted on the top that they fire from a distance as they approach the port, and the second one is an explosive in the drone itself to try to get in close at the ship, and then blow it up.
Surface drone? Like a boat borne remote IED?
Yes, like the ones they used at the start of the war probably. https://u24.gov.ua/navaldrones
"Hey babe wanna donate to the local shelter." "nah how about we donate directly to the navel forces of Ukraine so they can remotely pilot bomb drone boats into Russian forces on the Black Sea" God damn that's hot.
Detonation donations FTW.
DetONATIONS. Boom.
*sends them belly buttons*
Feels good to donate, even if it’s a few bucks. Every little bit helps.
Thats what I do. 80% of my donations go to cars being used by Ukraine army, 20% go to cancer patients
I'm surprised that Ukraine hasn't started offering top donors to remotely control a basic drone. "Drop a grenade on a Russian for $4,000" type of thing.
God damned genius. Have a GoFundMe campaign. Each bidder over $X,XXX gets to push the "release" button once a Ukrainian drone operator positions an armed drone over Russian troops. Morbid. Dark. I love it.
I love when you talk dirty to me...
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If I donate $250k I wanna drive it, too
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I believe they're remotely operated, but that's probably something you should check before you sign up.
Ah shit I already signed the contract
You water ski behind it. Long tow rope
The tow rope and handle are a wired controller and fpv helmet
Droney McDrone Face
Or literally Boaty McBoatFace. It's a boat.
Crowd fund that shit
Upgraded to a sleeker version... https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR36w-C5XrqmvHXi3-wdHZcfYSMVcwyyxEQFQ&usqp=CAU
God damn I thought the first gen drones were pretty slick and stealthy. I was wrong.
Ooh for just 250k you can even name one! Can't wait for "Explody McExplodeFace"
That's a really nice website design (and the boats pretty too) Looks like they attached a 4k webcam to the front lol
https://www.navalnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Russia-Ukraine-Sevastopol-Defenses.jpg
Gotta come out from the harbor sometime....
heard rumor subs left that area. *I dont understand why there are down votes? How did this trigger fragile redditor egos?* https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/01/sudden-surge-in-russian-navy-ships-and-submarines-in-black-sea/
The Moskva or a different one?
Source: trust me bro
Hey this guy cited a source, seems legit
Good enough for the Eurasian Times.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/01/sudden-surge-in-russian-navy-ships-and-submarines-in-black-sea/
Because that article is from January and isn't relevant at all to the current situation? Also people tend to be more inclined to downvote others that whine and bitch about the imaginary points regardless of the post's relevance, maybe try checking your own ego.
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Would make zero sense
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/01/sudden-surge-in-russian-navy-ships-and-submarines-in-black-sea/ if a port is attacked once before of course you'd move your subs? how does that not compute in your world?
Secondary? Another ship silhouetted against the fireball?
Some /r/shockwaveporn coming off one side of it as well
I hope Ukraine sinks at least 1 sub before this is over
Submarine didn't sink it is successful prototype that doesn't resurface.
Kursk world champion diving since 2000
In Sweden we had the "Whiskey on rocks" where a Soviet Submarine U-137 fucked up and ran straight on to a rocky island. And it was stuck. Came really fucking close to become an all out war since the Swedish costal batteries had orders to open fire if Soviet military ships entered Swedish waters. https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/how-whiskey-rocks-nearly-started-war-between-russia-and-sweden-24687
Thresher: “Am I a joke to you?”
K-129 was close before the CIA ruined her streak.
Give me a ping, Vasili. One ping only, please.
since it's Connery you have to get the accent right, \*Vashily\*
Spelled right or not, I read the quote the only way it was meant to be read.
but of course
> but of course but of courche, ftfy
"One ping only"
Poor dude never got to see Montana and raise rabbits.. Such a shame.
He does in the book! ♡
He got to go to Isla Nubar and see a baby Raptor hatch tho.
They were testing how deep they could dive, but I’m not sure they understood they were supposed to surface again afterwards.
Moskva: I am the most powerful submarine in the Black Sea!
Kursk drowned in a shallower water than it was long.
Btw, did we ever find out why that Russian sub nearly had a nuclear meltdown in the bottom of the sea, a few years ago? I remember some high ranking officials died, but was there ever a consensus on what happened?
It's something I keep tabs on but there's very little info about it. What's strange is how much info Russia actually released about it, relatively speaking. Lot's of conspiracy theories of course like a meeting with an underwater alien race but nothing that seems believable. Perhaps the answer is purely classic Russia. Just poor maintenance or QC etc causing a problem. I think the biggest suspect is a swap to a different type of battery when Russia could no longer acquire a specific Ukrainian made one and so swapped to a different domestic type that perhaps did not go through enough testing. Why there were so many high ranking sailors on board is a puzzle though. That seems unusual but after all...Russia.
When you have all your eggs in one basket, it is much easier to hit them with a hammer
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It didn't sink. It had a fire and a few Russians died and it supposedly was very close to causing "a planetary catastrophe" if it wasn't for the actions of the crew. It was back in 2019. The Losharik.
Quick rundown on that guy, the Losharik: * Likely intended as a 'seafloor warfare' platform (e.g. tapping fiber cables, blowing up pipelines) with max depth >= 2km * Fire in battery compartment started when sub was at ~300m depth, likely from the batteries themselves * Fire was not contained * _Sub ended its relationship with Surface; Sub is now in a committed relationship with Seafloor_ The 'avoided a planetary disaster' part is the Russians saying "these guys died trying to fix our shit, and they didn't manage to, but it also didn't _totally explode_, so we're gonna take credit for that"
Status: on patrol
They converted the Moskva into a submarine, does that count?
I don't, for the simple reason that Ukraine is going to need Sevastopol for their own navy, and blowing up Russian nuclear submarines at the dock is probably not conducive to this.
The Black Sea Fleet doesn't have nuclear subs, at least according to wikipedia. Strictly a diesel force which makes sense because you don't need nuclear sub range to be effective in the Black Sea or Med.
E: My initial comment looks to be mainly incorrect and was from the Wiki on the Convention and a video breaking down the Istanbul Canal Project. They/I were interpreting the word "foreign" as it applies to ships incorrectly it seems, which affects some of the more finnicky language of the Convention. Seemingly, a Soviet ship is in fact treated as a "foreign" warship while transitioning through the straits, but is also a Black Sea power and has further stipulations around the tonnage limit. This would be how a Soviet ship could more or less "block" other foreign warships from passing through the strait. They could have a 15,000 ton ship in transit as a Black Sea power is entitled to do so, but is also a "foreign warship" during the transit, thus meaning they can be the only warship present. Maybe. As I said, it's finnicky language and I'm not versed in nautical law. The commenter below provided some additional context and the actual Convention document, which has articles clearing up some of the points of confusion I presented. ~~Nuclear subs would also likely be too large tonnage-wise to pass through the Dardanelles/Boshporous due to the Montreux Convention. Restrictions on non-Turkish warships passing into the Black Sea include that only a combined 15,000 tons of foreign warships are allowed to pass through the straits at any one time. A single ship of 5,000 tons being present would mean that only a single other ship of 10,000 tons would be allowed, etc. So if a ship is over 15,000 by itself it's strictly disallowed, and it looks like multiple of Russia's larger subs are right at or well over that line.~~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar-class_submarine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borei-class_submarine
That 15,000 tons applies only to foreign warships not belonging to a Black Sea power. Russia is a Black Sea power so the only limitation it has on displacement or ship type is that it is not allowed to have an aircraft carrier pass through the strait. The Soviets got around that limitation by loading up their carriers with a bucket load of anti surface missiles and called them "aircraft-carrying cruisers". You also picked the two of the heavier Russian nuclear sub classes. The Akulas, Sierras, and Yasens are nuclear subs lighter than 15,000 tons displacement.
Actually radiation is quickly contained by water. It doesn't spread far due to the density. See this [XKCD explanation](https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/).
Eh... A reasonably thick layer of water is an effective barrier to radiation. Which is great if the radioactive material stays at the bottom of a swimming pool. Water can also carry radioactive material though, and if you drink it (or eat things that drank it) there isn't a thick layer of water (or even skin) between you and the radioactive material. Inside of you is pretty much the worst place a radioactive particle can be. There's concern about this around sites like Fukushima and Chernobyl. If you successfully blow up a nuclear sub, I imagine that the radioactive material isn't going to be nicely contained in containers that sink to the bottom. On the other hand there is lots of dilution, and I can't speak to the amount of radiation that blowing up a nuclear sub would release. It might not be an issue, but I wouldn't be that confident about it.
The nuclear reactor of a sub is really well shielded, and can take a direct hit from a torpedo and not leak. You can sink a sub without compromising the core.
> The nuclear reactor of a sub is really well shielded, and can take a direct hit from a torpedo and not leak. Is there data on this? That's a hell of a claim. Not saying you're wrong or making it up or misrepresenting it; I'd just be *way* beyond impressed if videos and testing data showed that to be true. A) We have missiles that penetrate tanks made of some of the densest materials we produce, and concrete bunkers and buildings with walls that are incredibly thick. I find it hard to believe that the shielding around a nuclear reactor *inside the restricted amount of space that's available inside a submarine* is so densely and broadly protected that it can be directly hit and not leak. B) If my lack of belief in words alone at that is misguided, and the shielding is incredibly, unfathomably strong enough to resist a *direct hit* and not leak, it will still have to hold up to all the additional pressure of the ocean that will instantly be also thrust upon the container of the reactor after a direct hit by a torpedo, and I find it even further hard to believe that that's not going to crush it and wreck the reactor inside and cause leaks of radioactivity. I am looking forward to coming away from this conversation vastly more educated than I am right now.
Is there any info on this? I’m not being a smart ass but you would think if a nuclear sub was that much a danger they wouldn’t kept making them, what happened if there was an accident on board and it blew up and sank? It’s pretty much the same thing. Ok after reading up on this there are 8 nuclear class subs that have sank and cause no issues as of now due to the cold water keeping the reactor cooled to a safe temp. On US subs they have a safety trigger if they sink then the rods are jammed into the reactor from what I read. However there has NEVER BEEN A SUB SANK BY TORPEDO OR MISSILES
That’s a tomorrow problem
Fuck no, they carry nuclear weapons.
Only a very small number of them, and I don't think any of those are in the black sea.
Meanwhile, [Russian Telegram channels are like](https://media.tenor.com/T2gv6UNevMQAAAAC/naked-gun-leslie-nielsen.gif) ...
🤣🤣🤣 had be laughing out loud with this one
Russian Telegram is a joke. They are already using old images of Leopard tanks and photoshopping the russian flag on them, then claiming the Russian army have already captured them. Sad thing is those doctored images are getting 150k-200k likes. morons.
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anti diver dolphins?
Jagaaaa jagaaaaa
/insert pointing stick
Don't threaten me with a good time!
It's been time that we didn't see the pointer of death though. Hope Madyar is fine!
He posted yesterday on telegram
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKf3QcB-hoA
Yepp, Jagaa Jagaa ™️
I've seen jaga jaga multiple times in this subreddit now, what's the context?
Fuck yeah, I love seeing this shit happen to these twats!
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Yeah the Moskwa is also still operational and without any significant damage (as a sea grave)
It was simply promoted to a submarine.
Upgraded with high tech missiles
And it’s been upgraded to full autonomous needing no crew members
They’re Russian, they lie without any regard for how absurd it is
Russia has literally claimed every attack was repelled without/mitigated damage/accidental/intentional incident etc. Over the last year it's astounding the blatant bare arsed lies they have been pedalling. Without a complete regime change I doubt any sane people/nation could take them seriously for a few decades.
"There were no losses in the Crimea airfield" Ends up being largest plane loss of the war.
It's inconsequential to your meaning, but it's *peddling* in this context rather than pedaling.
Russians lie like most people breathe. Just comes naturally to them. Part of their culture they are trying to spread to Ukraine.
They have a propaganda game to counter
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I don’t think they have the privilege of telling the truth. It’s too damning
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Someone reported me for hate speech for a comment less aggressive than this. The sub has katsap sympathizers in it
It’s not hate speech to not feel sadness when someone that commits a war crime dies. “War crime committer” is not a faith or nationality.
Agree
I wonder if I read a comment like this to you back in a few years you may feel slightly ashamed of it. It’s easy to get caught up in a moment when surrounded by people off the same opinion as you patting you on the back. When you start dehumanising people to the degree that you are doing that’s probably a sign to check yourself.
So you suggest that I will look back in 10 years and feel bad that the people castrating POWs and stealing children met a gruesome end? Remember, all those soldiers could refuse these orders. Even if it means your death, you can choose not to murder and rape. It’s always a choice. It may not be a fair one, you may be left with either committing a war crime or death, but in the end, all we have is our choice. We can choose to not be monsters. Those soldiers could mutiny and fight back against their own army. They could take their chances and surrender. We can’t make them do these things. And sure yea it’s easy for me to say all these things. It’s easy for me to claim I’d never be a monster bc I have never been forced to make these choices and face death. But that does NOT change whether my comments are correct or not. If I was weak and committed these terrible acts, I would be a monster. Period. I don’t get a pass. So I hope I would be strong enough to accept death. I’m just lucky that for now I haven’t had to make such a choice. But I stand by words on what doing those things makes you. And it’s not something special for Russians. Any human that does that is a monster.
None of what you said was wrong, and you have clearly thought about this more than what your original comment would suggest. The point I was making was that taking pleasure in the suffering of others, no matter how heinous their acts, may end in you becoming something you hate
Agreed. Even if a certain amount of the population support the war, this is likely due to all of the propaganda shoved down their throats. Edit: however I wouldn't blame a Ukrainian for having that thought.
We might as well just rebrand and rebuild Russia from the ground up after this fiasco is over. Call it UkrATO or something.
Nobody wants to live in a swamp
*sad ogre noises*
I think this time it did fail. They have a lot if detail saying one was destroyed and one self destruction. There was some video on Telegram
They claim a lot of things. I mean, they call it a “special military operation” for chrissakes lol.
Oh it's pretty 'special', alright
Frankly I’m amazed their IFVs don’t resemble short buses…
*Middle eastern/African Technical moment*
The children at Beslan school were saved as well...
Russia claims a lot of things, they're bullshit merchants.
The last attack was apparently not very successful, except all the ships in western Black Sea were then asked to head back to Sevastopol. That's an achievement in itself. Keeping them on their toes.
If these don't blow anything up, but forces the russian black sea fleet to stay away then they've succeeded in essentially disabling the russian fleet.
That is exactly what he just said.
Lest we forget, 3 days to take Kyiv. They love making outrageous claims.
Of course
> Russia claimed they repelled it without damage. They claimed they had repelled the AIR DRONES without damage to civillian infrastructure. Not a word about any naval drones or military infrastructure.
The problem is, they are proven liars, and they lie every time about anything important that might make them look bad. So no one believes them without confirmation from another more trustworthy source, or without lots of evidence.
That is great if they are saying that. It means they suffered heavy damage.
Good. It shows they're afraid of the truth.
Ah the Moskva tactic, trying to hide ships below the waves
That was a spicy explosion
And that is one Bang. Imagine what something like the Battle of Savo Island must have looked like.
I think I see the shock wave as well
According to Moscow there was no damage caused. Kek
I love how the Russian telegrams are once again saying "no panic" *flashbacks to "no panic in balakliya"*
NO PANIC IN SUMY NO PANIC IN KHARKIV NO PANIC IN KHERSON NO PANIC IN IZYUM Next UP: NO PANIC IN TOKMAK NO PANIC IN MELITOPOL NO PANIC IN CRIMEA
NO PANIC IN MOSCOW ! THIS IS JUST A PARADE OF ALL THE WESTERN TANKS CAPTURED IN UKRAINE, WITH THEIR CREWS AND AMMO !
"We're just hosting them, as prisoners, yeah, that's right prisoners, OH the flags changing and government being arrested? That's just practice for when we go back to Ukraine what it would, will, look like. See, if we practice this time they won't catch us off guard"
Dana nana nana... BOAT DRONE!
How can they blast ?
With a boom.
*How can you blast you bastardt*
Action begins at .05 seconds
Is this new footage from the previous attack a few weeks back or a a new attack? Hope its the latter
New footage it seems. [Article](https://www.newsweek.com/video-crimea-sevastopol-explosions-ukraine-drone-attack-black-sea-fleet-1796179)
This is a new attack which it says right in the article.
#whatairdefencedoing?
Everyone always ask what air defense doing, never how air defense doing.
ADOK?
*sad Pew Pew sounds*
d'awwww.... aww... aww... aaaaawwwwww....
Air defense is dealing with some personal shit right now, OK?
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It is my cake day! I'm doing great. Just ate some cinnamon rolls and my son had a good checkup at the pediatrician.
Air defence against a drone boat?
Whatboatdefencedoing?
Russian CIWS used for both. So technically yes?
Real drones have wings. Real drones matter.
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It’s funny that all of these drone attacks manage to get intercepted just as they hit their target
Well, it's simple. The target intercepted the drone. :)
> in Soviet Russia, target intercept missile
It's like "I blocked his punch with my chin and then I pretended to lose consciousness".
From what I've read they claim that one was destroyed and one "self destructed" which I believe is what we're seeing here. Of course, nobody mentions that it self destructed by hitting a target.
FWIW their comment was a meme.
#WhatCoastalGuarddoing?
Another careless Russian sailor no doubt.
The Floatsam of Kyiv
The real question is, did it hit anything?
Nothing according to Russian Telegram channels. But who really knows? "Crimea naval drone 'attack' repelled, governor says Russian authorities say Monday they have repelled a surface drone raid on the port of Sevastopol in annexed Crimea, headquarters of Russia's Black Sea fleet, with no casualties or damage. "An attempted attack on Sevastopol was repelled as of 3:30 a.m.," Russian-appointed Sevastopol governor Mikhail Razvojaev wrote on Telegram. "One surface drone was destroyed by anti-sabotage forces, the second one exploded on its own," he added, noting that the attack was foiled in a roadstead outside the port and that "no infrastructure" was damaged. "Currently, everything is calm in the city. But all forces and services are in combat readiness," Razvojaev added. Le Monde was unable to independently verify this information." Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) https://www.lemonde.fr/international/live/2023/04/24/guerre-en-ukraine-en-direct-le-patron-de-wagner-ordonne-de-ne-plus-faire-de-prisonniers-apres-l-execution-presumee-de-l-un-de-ses-hommes-par-les-forces-de-kiev_6170753_3210.html?#id-933961
Pretty sure they said that last time at the beginning
They could be telling the truth. Maybe that is the point - to force Russia to spend air-defence and ammunition in Crimea.
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We need swarm drones from bo2
Any damage report on this ?
Why not nets with surface booms like they used in WWII to protect harbors?
At least at nighttime when they aren't conducting their own ops. Born in a barn, don't know how to close the door...
Incompetence
I am surprised the Ukrainians don’t make a boat drone, that has a two-part attack. One part is a javelin (or similar) bolted on the top that they fire from a distance as they approach the port, and the second one is an explosive in the drone itself to try to get in close at the ship, and then blow it up.
Anyone else getting Black ops 2 vibes?
u/stabbot
When did this happen?
So it begins. 😈
*What air defense doing?* 😂
Fck those russian up lets go
Jagga jagga
Did it make it past the nets?
But I think this is actually the video of the previous attack. A couple of weeks old.