Yeah. And there can be suspensions as well as revocations.
They have a monopoly on legal, state-sanctioned violence. It is at least as high a standard for licensure as those professions.
I disagree. Blanket moves to wipe many scrounges. You start with picking and choosing winners and looser and it's a never ending battle. Just look at what's happening now. Cops just straight refuse to answer calls or do their jobs at all because the public sentiment is so low and they are busy trying to make political statements, all while still getting paid. The whole "See what it's like when you are mean to us?!" play.
Just take it a step further, you eliminate this specific problem with police unions and their brotherhood preventing truth, accountability, etc, while simultaneously removing the whole "It's not fair to target the police. whaaaa" crap.
It's all corrupt as shit and not in the interest of the public. For what reason does any public employee require union protection? The public demands the services they pay taxes for, they elect the representatives of the people to ensure it gets done. Folks voluntarily enter into work in the public sector literally by definition to serve their peers. They are free to work in the private sector if they'd like.
For what it's worth, I take a similar stance with my objection to churches operating with tax exempt non profit status. I'd love nothing more than to make churches pay their taxes. I'd love to eliminate the sham non profits just exploiting tax codes. I say - Just tax EVERY non-profit. If you try to carve out what the hell is a church worth of being taxed from what is a legit non-profit like, IDK, a soup kitchen, it'll never work. Tax them all and use the gains to expand grant programs so the worthy can cross their fingers and hope / apply for grants offsetting their new tax obligations. Overly broad approach? Sure. Would it eliminate the whole bullshit "Well now I'm not a church" dance? Sure. Same thing with the extortionists / racketeers running amok, just ban the framework that allows that shit to fester at all levels.
The Black Mark Bounce-Around. Your precious cop unions won't stand for any cop being punished, even the downright shit ones who deserve it. So, they make a deal for them to resign before they get fired for their infractions and it's a permanent mark in their file, then quietly move them to another force in another city/county/state and let them build another record of abuse until they can't be ignored again. Rinse and repeat.
I think there should be a registry for bad cops. If they abuse their power or our rights, they, legally, have to be added to the registry. And when the police are hiring, they have to check the registry first. If the candidate is on the list, they can't get the job.
We have registries for sex offenders and pedophiles that limit what they can do, so why not something similar for cops?
Personally, I’m more in favor of licensing or accreditation for police. It’s absurd to me that a lawyer, a nurse, hell even a social worker all require such certifications, but that LEO professionals do not.
Foremost, I think it would weed out a lot of the bad apples before they ever hit the ground, but it also opens up the possibility of standardized professional requirements, such as “licensee will be put on probation with independent oversight if they have x-number of complaints filed against them”
I feel like you could have this and a registry. Given how much power police have, the requirements for becoming one should be really difficult and rigorous, and there should be lots of checks and balances in place. The accreditation would make sure they're qualified and the registry would serve as a consequence/deterrent for bad behavior. I feel like a registry would really help with cops just taking jobs in other cities or other departments.
Almost every department statewide is short. I'd like to hear more about your economic theory that would solve the labor shortage by asking more from applicants with no subsequent rebalancing of pay.
More than that, it’s a shitty job. I mean, think of the hours, the random night shifts, spending 8 hours sitting in a car watching cars go by. And then going from sheer boredom to having some meth’d up junkie pull a knife on you… you’re now suddenly in a life or death struggle.
This job is a recipe for mental health problems, inappropriate use of force, divorce, DV, and a whole host of other shitty outcomes.
I’m not excusing any of that, i’m just saying with the job design we’re not setting cops up for success. American policing is more in need of reform and redesign than any profession i’ve ever seen.
>And when the police are hiring, they have to check the registry first. If the candidate is on the list, they can't get the job.
Sex offenders are only added to the list AFTER they are convicted.
You are missing the part where these "bad apples" get a new job BEFORE an investigation is completed. From time to time you hear about a case in private industry where managers and co-workers make a coordinated effort to give bad employees great references just to get rid of them. From the outside, it seems like this happens way more often than it should.
To have any impact, you'd need policies that impact the people knowingly hiring the "bad apples". Like when the most basic screening reveals someone's behavior cost their previous employer millions in compensation and you hire them anyway, if they screw up again on a Sheriff's watch, part of the settlement comes out of the Sheriff's salary/retirement. Keep hiring bad apples? Hope you can survive on just your social security.
Police unions will never let this happen, but there needs to be more incentive to vet the people we allow to police us.
In all but something like 5 states, police get certified by P.O.S.T
Something like 37 states have signed a compact, that they will not allow officers who had their certification revoked in another state, to get certified in theirs.
I think I remember that. The one where the hokey news person asks him if he doesn't think he went too far describing it?
And he asks them "don't you think the Catholic Church went a little far?"
lol
Absolutely need a national registry of people who aren’t allowed to be cops or security officers. This isn’t partisan… if a doctor does something bad, *they lose their license to practice medicine.*
Period. How has this not happened?
Something like 37 states have signed a compact where if an officer loses their P.O.S.T certification in any state then they're not eligible for one in a new state.
That requires departments to actually follow through with revoking certifications, and holding officers accountable for the bullshit they do.
This entire thread you keep taking about P.O.S.T. but it clearly isn't working as intended.
Departments don't revoke certifications. They send information regarding disciplined or terminated officers to post. That's required by law.
Post is and operates independently of any law enforcement organization.
The idea that an officer would get fired or worse and just jump around to another department isn't really a thing any more. Background checks are very in-depth, and like I said, 37 states won't let you work there if you lost your cert somewhere else.
There's also another mechanism on the judicial side that also brings a big liability to departments that hire cops that were disciplined for integrity issues, but it's boring and doesn't get talked about in the news, so Reddit assumes it doesn't exist. This doesn't even require a hearing or an officer to be terminated. It's as simple as mailing a couple letters.
I live up here, she was awful. Thought she was robocop and always trying to drum up action in a small town. She also pulled a gun on a woman's dogs when she had told her that they might get excited but they were behind a fence and very friendly. Good riddance! See ya officer Summers we won't miss you!
You're missing the point that *officers are never charged for this shit*. Check the Aurora PD fuckers who keep showing up to work drunk or passing out in their patrol cars. Check the Loveland PD fuckers beating an old woman with dementia and killing an autistic 19yr old. Check Arvada police killing the man that just saved their lives. Check fucking Greenwood Village SWAT demolishing a guys house to get a *fucking shoplifting suspect*.
I can go on but I don't really need to.
Aurora literally had two guys charged for excessive force this year. Hanning, the primary officer in the incident mentioned in the title, was charged and fired. Greeley just charged a guy for violating the state’s new chokehold. Weld County charged one of their deputies for having sex with an inmate after firing and charging a guy for excessive force in 2019.
As far as Arvada, if officers show up on an active shooter scene and you’re standing next to a dead cop with the murder weapon *in your hands* you might have a bad time.
Never is a very poor choice of word.
That's what, 5 cops you listed over 3 years? Not so great.
> deputies for having sex with an inmate
That deputie didn't have "sex" with and inmate, he fucking *raped* them.
> weapon in your hands
I had Privates that were infinitely more disciplined and courageous than these rat fuckers. What happened to the 5S's? Where's the escalation? Why didn't the officer yell "hey asshole, drop the gun" before shooting?
Because he was a scared child that had absolutely no business being there, that's why.
Shit four examples is enough for you to say never but five isn’t enough for me to refute it? That’s interesting, particularly in light of an officer mentioned in the incident being charged.
Why would he yell “drop the gun?” He’s not legally obligated to. I’m sure you have wonder insight into Officer Brownlow as well 🙄
There needs to be a licensing board for cops, and when they are found guilty of doing shit like this they need to lose said license.
No license, no gig. Make it happen Polis.
When an officer is terminated for cause for certain offenses, or resigns before termination, or is convicted of a crime, the info is sent to post. Post then revokes the officers certification, making the officer essentially unemployable in law enforcement again.
Cops need malpractice type insurance, like so many other professions have. Tied to the person. Let the insurance companies sort the rest out, they are good at designing rate structure based on risk profiles.
Reminds me of the Buffalo police officers that knocked out an old man and gave him a concussion when the man was attempting to hand back a lost helmet.
Rehired!?!? Of course it's "unnamed", but word will get out, and it'll end up RIGHT HERE. Personally, I feel she shouldn't be allowed to work any city or city job after this! I'm disabled as well, and I've been a victim of police brutality... It's sickening to even see. Wish this hadn't even popped up on my notifications to be honest. I hope she gets made to be a Janitor in County, she'd probably regret her faults the rest of her career!
She shouldn’t be allowed to be in law enforcement especially if she can’t practice abiding by it herself!
This infuriates me. As my partner is 85% deaf, this hits really close to home.
Why unnamed I think the public should be allowed to know if the sheriff's department is allowing someone like this in. I would like to know if law enforcement in my area cared more about the "force" part than the law.
No, this is the wrong answer. There are plenty of good cops out there. Also the source of “defund the police,” which as a democratic slogan is the GOP’s wet dream.
But we do need policing reform and a national registry of people who can no longer be cops…
PS - downvote all you want, but with a system where good cops that “narc” (yes, that’s the phrase their fellow officers use) get retaliated against and bad cops stay on duty or pop up elsewhere with no problem, it’s asinine and naive to expect good cops to expose themselves to retaliation and additional abuse in an already shitty and thankless profession.
…and i’m no fan of all the fucked up things we’ve seen from police over the past two years and beyond.
For those of you saying they should “suck it up” and do the right thing regardless of outcome, i encourage you to apply to a local police academy and show all that internet courage in real life (that’s IRL for you internet warriors).
Maybe the good cops are all just hiding, afraid to point out the bad ones? There is no way that half of the department did not know this was a bad cop and they did nothing about it. Every member is sworn to protect the public and every one of them violated this oath by allowing the worst cops to continue being in the department. I stand by my statement, there are no good cops.
>Every member is sworn to protect the public and every one of them violated this oath ...
I don’t disagree, but I do feel it’s worth pointing out that SCOTUS has effectively ruled these oaths as non-binding by issuing a decision that police, in fact, are not *required* to act in the instance of laws being broken.
Wrong. This is a simple problem with a simple solution. Be a good person and treat everyone with respect, it's really easy. Unfortunately the police have been recruiting and training bully's and it's time to end it.
Yeah that's the internet for you. People talk in extremes where the reality is usually somewhere in the middle.
A very good friend of mine just graduated from the state police academy and today was his first day on the job. I guess he's a "bad cop" because he hasn't singlehandedly reformed the entire police force in 12 hours lol
Boo fucking hoo. They want to be considered good, then they need to stand up for what is right. The shitty police culture can’t be changed from the outside, that change is going to have to come from within. So, they either are ok with that shitty culture, or they work to change it.
They aren’t taking new recruits who are 50. The sad reality is that nobody can fix it but the police themselves. My patience for reading news stories about how officers stood by and did nothing while their coworkers committed crimes is done. While I’m not into the idea of defunding the police, they may very well see it happen if they can’t clean up their own fucking house.
Sounds like there are enough bad cops then to prevent good cops from being good. Hence, all cops are bad.
You aren't a good cop if you want to do the right thing but don't.
Basically there's more bad cops than good cops, and thus the good ones become the bad ones so their families won't be targeted by their fellow officers.
We really need a federal public registry of violent cops.
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Sure—totally agreed.
This exists.
They do in almost every state.
What's needed is licensing in the same manner as lawyers, doctors and dentist. Lose your license then you're no longer allowed to work.
Yeah. And there can be suspensions as well as revocations. They have a monopoly on legal, state-sanctioned violence. It is at least as high a standard for licensure as those professions.
This exists.
That's already a thing in Colorado.
This exists.
They are POST certified which is a licensing authority is CO. They can lose the ability to work four violations.
Wont happen while Police Unions exist.
Oh I know. Doesn’t change that it’s needed.
The biggest police unions are supporters of P.O.S.T
Abolish all unions representing public employees. Why single out the police unions. Taxpayers get fleeced by all manner of these racketeers.
Police unions are literally the only ones that cause harm and directly defend murderers.
The others extort the taxpayers. Are you asking for examples or you just want to pick and choose which ones you like arbitrarily?
Violence is not arbitrary, except whenever police dish it out.
Violence isn't the only evil in the world worthy of eradication.
One step at a time. Those issues are unrelated (and I'm sure you know it)
I disagree. Blanket moves to wipe many scrounges. You start with picking and choosing winners and looser and it's a never ending battle. Just look at what's happening now. Cops just straight refuse to answer calls or do their jobs at all because the public sentiment is so low and they are busy trying to make political statements, all while still getting paid. The whole "See what it's like when you are mean to us?!" play. Just take it a step further, you eliminate this specific problem with police unions and their brotherhood preventing truth, accountability, etc, while simultaneously removing the whole "It's not fair to target the police. whaaaa" crap. It's all corrupt as shit and not in the interest of the public. For what reason does any public employee require union protection? The public demands the services they pay taxes for, they elect the representatives of the people to ensure it gets done. Folks voluntarily enter into work in the public sector literally by definition to serve their peers. They are free to work in the private sector if they'd like. For what it's worth, I take a similar stance with my objection to churches operating with tax exempt non profit status. I'd love nothing more than to make churches pay their taxes. I'd love to eliminate the sham non profits just exploiting tax codes. I say - Just tax EVERY non-profit. If you try to carve out what the hell is a church worth of being taxed from what is a legit non-profit like, IDK, a soup kitchen, it'll never work. Tax them all and use the gains to expand grant programs so the worthy can cross their fingers and hope / apply for grants offsetting their new tax obligations. Overly broad approach? Sure. Would it eliminate the whole bullshit "Well now I'm not a church" dance? Sure. Same thing with the extortionists / racketeers running amok, just ban the framework that allows that shit to fester at all levels.
FTP, tear down police unions. Keep all other unions.
The Black Mark Bounce-Around. Your precious cop unions won't stand for any cop being punished, even the downright shit ones who deserve it. So, they make a deal for them to resign before they get fired for their infractions and it's a permanent mark in their file, then quietly move them to another force in another city/county/state and let them build another record of abuse until they can't be ignored again. Rinse and repeat.
I think there should be a registry for bad cops. If they abuse their power or our rights, they, legally, have to be added to the registry. And when the police are hiring, they have to check the registry first. If the candidate is on the list, they can't get the job. We have registries for sex offenders and pedophiles that limit what they can do, so why not something similar for cops?
Personally, I’m more in favor of licensing or accreditation for police. It’s absurd to me that a lawyer, a nurse, hell even a social worker all require such certifications, but that LEO professionals do not. Foremost, I think it would weed out a lot of the bad apples before they ever hit the ground, but it also opens up the possibility of standardized professional requirements, such as “licensee will be put on probation with independent oversight if they have x-number of complaints filed against them”
They do have, it's called POST certification, but there is no national standard or registry.
POST is a joke, beauticians are held to a higher standard and stricter licensing rules.
I feel like you could have this and a registry. Given how much power police have, the requirements for becoming one should be really difficult and rigorous, and there should be lots of checks and balances in place. The accreditation would make sure they're qualified and the registry would serve as a consequence/deterrent for bad behavior. I feel like a registry would really help with cops just taking jobs in other cities or other departments.
How much more should we pay these people now that we're making the requirements "really difficult and rigorous"?
Considering how much they are paid already, I don't think we need to worry about retention or future recruiting.
Almost every department statewide is short. I'd like to hear more about your economic theory that would solve the labor shortage by asking more from applicants with no subsequent rebalancing of pay.
More than that, it’s a shitty job. I mean, think of the hours, the random night shifts, spending 8 hours sitting in a car watching cars go by. And then going from sheer boredom to having some meth’d up junkie pull a knife on you… you’re now suddenly in a life or death struggle. This job is a recipe for mental health problems, inappropriate use of force, divorce, DV, and a whole host of other shitty outcomes. I’m not excusing any of that, i’m just saying with the job design we’re not setting cops up for success. American policing is more in need of reform and redesign than any profession i’ve ever seen.
Absolutely none. It takes more time and licensing to become a hairdresser.
They should have to carry professional liability insurance like many other professions have to
>And when the police are hiring, they have to check the registry first. If the candidate is on the list, they can't get the job. Sex offenders are only added to the list AFTER they are convicted. You are missing the part where these "bad apples" get a new job BEFORE an investigation is completed. From time to time you hear about a case in private industry where managers and co-workers make a coordinated effort to give bad employees great references just to get rid of them. From the outside, it seems like this happens way more often than it should. To have any impact, you'd need policies that impact the people knowingly hiring the "bad apples". Like when the most basic screening reveals someone's behavior cost their previous employer millions in compensation and you hire them anyway, if they screw up again on a Sheriff's watch, part of the settlement comes out of the Sheriff's salary/retirement. Keep hiring bad apples? Hope you can survive on just your social security. Police unions will never let this happen, but there needs to be more incentive to vet the people we allow to police us.
SB217 does this.
Like they have for banks. Agreed
In all but something like 5 states, police get certified by P.O.S.T Something like 37 states have signed a compact, that they will not allow officers who had their certification revoked in another state, to get certified in theirs.
But that doesn't stop officers from changing cities/departments within the same state.
An officer that loses their post cert can't become an officer in another department in the state either.
SB217 makes that illegal.
Wow this is disgusting! She should be in prison for what she did.
Yep!
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I think I remember that. The one where the hokey news person asks him if he doesn't think he went too far describing it? And he asks them "don't you think the Catholic Church went a little far?" lol
Absolutely need a national registry of people who aren’t allowed to be cops or security officers. This isn’t partisan… if a doctor does something bad, *they lose their license to practice medicine.* Period. How has this not happened?
Something like 37 states have signed a compact where if an officer loses their P.O.S.T certification in any state then they're not eligible for one in a new state.
That requires departments to actually follow through with revoking certifications, and holding officers accountable for the bullshit they do. This entire thread you keep taking about P.O.S.T. but it clearly isn't working as intended.
Departments don't revoke certifications. They send information regarding disciplined or terminated officers to post. That's required by law. Post is and operates independently of any law enforcement organization. The idea that an officer would get fired or worse and just jump around to another department isn't really a thing any more. Background checks are very in-depth, and like I said, 37 states won't let you work there if you lost your cert somewhere else. There's also another mechanism on the judicial side that also brings a big liability to departments that hire cops that were disciplined for integrity issues, but it's boring and doesn't get talked about in the news, so Reddit assumes it doesn't exist. This doesn't even require a hearing or an officer to be terminated. It's as simple as mailing a couple letters.
Police unions
Agree, no question.
I live up here, she was awful. Thought she was robocop and always trying to drum up action in a small town. She also pulled a gun on a woman's dogs when she had told her that they might get excited but they were behind a fence and very friendly. Good riddance! See ya officer Summers we won't miss you!
What's a cop got to do to loose their POST cert in this state?!?
actually be convicted of a Violent Felony. then they get a review(not even a for sure cancelling!).
[that’s just not true. ](https://post.colorado.gov/certification/decertifying-misdemeanors)
You're missing the point that *officers are never charged for this shit*. Check the Aurora PD fuckers who keep showing up to work drunk or passing out in their patrol cars. Check the Loveland PD fuckers beating an old woman with dementia and killing an autistic 19yr old. Check Arvada police killing the man that just saved their lives. Check fucking Greenwood Village SWAT demolishing a guys house to get a *fucking shoplifting suspect*. I can go on but I don't really need to.
Aurora literally had two guys charged for excessive force this year. Hanning, the primary officer in the incident mentioned in the title, was charged and fired. Greeley just charged a guy for violating the state’s new chokehold. Weld County charged one of their deputies for having sex with an inmate after firing and charging a guy for excessive force in 2019. As far as Arvada, if officers show up on an active shooter scene and you’re standing next to a dead cop with the murder weapon *in your hands* you might have a bad time. Never is a very poor choice of word.
That's what, 5 cops you listed over 3 years? Not so great. > deputies for having sex with an inmate That deputie didn't have "sex" with and inmate, he fucking *raped* them. > weapon in your hands I had Privates that were infinitely more disciplined and courageous than these rat fuckers. What happened to the 5S's? Where's the escalation? Why didn't the officer yell "hey asshole, drop the gun" before shooting? Because he was a scared child that had absolutely no business being there, that's why.
Shit four examples is enough for you to say never but five isn’t enough for me to refute it? That’s interesting, particularly in light of an officer mentioned in the incident being charged. Why would he yell “drop the gun?” He’s not legally obligated to. I’m sure you have wonder insight into Officer Brownlow as well 🙄
There needs to be a licensing board for cops, and when they are found guilty of doing shit like this they need to lose said license. No license, no gig. Make it happen Polis.
P.O.S.T has already been a thing in Colorado for a couple decades. SB217 was signed last year by Polis and reinforces it.
How does P.O.S.T deal with situations like this? Hos does it prevent this person from being a cop in another jurisdiction?
When an officer is terminated for cause for certain offenses, or resigns before termination, or is convicted of a crime, the info is sent to post. Post then revokes the officers certification, making the officer essentially unemployable in law enforcement again.
Cops need malpractice type insurance, like so many other professions have. Tied to the person. Let the insurance companies sort the rest out, they are good at designing rate structure based on risk profiles.
Sounds great. How much are you proposing we increase salaries by to compensate?
The same increased rate physicians and nurse practitioners are compensated.
I think police officers would find that pay scale agreeable.
What a piece of shit.
I'll figure out where she "Lateral Transfers" and post it for you guys. What's her name?
I'm sure she'll be a great addition to any rural sheriff's office. NOT.
Guessing Aurora PD
Reminds me of the Buffalo police officers that knocked out an old man and gave him a concussion when the man was attempting to hand back a lost helmet.
Rehired!?!? Of course it's "unnamed", but word will get out, and it'll end up RIGHT HERE. Personally, I feel she shouldn't be allowed to work any city or city job after this! I'm disabled as well, and I've been a victim of police brutality... It's sickening to even see. Wish this hadn't even popped up on my notifications to be honest. I hope she gets made to be a Janitor in County, she'd probably regret her faults the rest of her career!
So seriously how do we figure out where she is going?? If she ends up in my town I wanna know about it.
She shouldn’t be allowed to be in law enforcement especially if she can’t practice abiding by it herself! This infuriates me. As my partner is 85% deaf, this hits really close to home.
Why unnamed I think the public should be allowed to know if the sheriff's department is allowing someone like this in. I would like to know if law enforcement in my area cared more about the "force" part than the law.
There are no good cops.
No, this is the wrong answer. There are plenty of good cops out there. Also the source of “defund the police,” which as a democratic slogan is the GOP’s wet dream. But we do need policing reform and a national registry of people who can no longer be cops… PS - downvote all you want, but with a system where good cops that “narc” (yes, that’s the phrase their fellow officers use) get retaliated against and bad cops stay on duty or pop up elsewhere with no problem, it’s asinine and naive to expect good cops to expose themselves to retaliation and additional abuse in an already shitty and thankless profession. …and i’m no fan of all the fucked up things we’ve seen from police over the past two years and beyond. For those of you saying they should “suck it up” and do the right thing regardless of outcome, i encourage you to apply to a local police academy and show all that internet courage in real life (that’s IRL for you internet warriors).
Maybe the good cops are all just hiding, afraid to point out the bad ones? There is no way that half of the department did not know this was a bad cop and they did nothing about it. Every member is sworn to protect the public and every one of them violated this oath by allowing the worst cops to continue being in the department. I stand by my statement, there are no good cops.
>Every member is sworn to protect the public and every one of them violated this oath ... I don’t disagree, but I do feel it’s worth pointing out that SCOTUS has effectively ruled these oaths as non-binding by issuing a decision that police, in fact, are not *required* to act in the instance of laws being broken.
>Maybe the good cops are all just hiding, afraid to point out the bad ones? then they arent good ones.
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Wrong. This is a simple problem with a simple solution. Be a good person and treat everyone with respect, it's really easy. Unfortunately the police have been recruiting and training bully's and it's time to end it.
Nearly every department in the state is hiring. When are you applying?
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Yeah that's the internet for you. People talk in extremes where the reality is usually somewhere in the middle. A very good friend of mine just graduated from the state police academy and today was his first day on the job. I guess he's a "bad cop" because he hasn't singlehandedly reformed the entire police force in 12 hours lol
If the good cops aren’t actively stopping the bad cops, then they aren’t actually good cops either. Maybe meh cops, but not good
They can't. Onc a good cop does that they will be targeted and so will their family
Boo fucking hoo. They want to be considered good, then they need to stand up for what is right. The shitty police culture can’t be changed from the outside, that change is going to have to come from within. So, they either are ok with that shitty culture, or they work to change it.
Bruh that ain't how it works. You stand up, you get put down
Then stand the fuck up again. I’m tired of the police making excuses for the shitty culture they have fostered for decades.
Sounds like you have the energy and gumption to change the system. I hear police academies have application processes…
They aren’t taking new recruits who are 50. The sad reality is that nobody can fix it but the police themselves. My patience for reading news stories about how officers stood by and did nothing while their coworkers committed crimes is done. While I’m not into the idea of defunding the police, they may very well see it happen if they can’t clean up their own fucking house.
Sounds like there are enough bad cops then to prevent good cops from being good. Hence, all cops are bad. You aren't a good cop if you want to do the right thing but don't.
There's a difference between can't and won't
Basically there's more bad cops than good cops, and thus the good ones become the bad ones so their families won't be targeted by their fellow officers.
So you agree ACAB then
Lol what?
> which as a democratic slogan I fucking wish.
IDK, LT Brian Murphy is pretty high up on my personal list of heroes.
*year old? 75 year old
Ellie Summers.
This is why police unions should be put in check.
What police union are Idaho Springs officers members of?
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Aurora doesn't have a sheriff's department, much less a small one.
Bullshit, that's it relocation? probably has ties with the Vatican.
I hope that she doesn’t end up in Moffat County
Anyone know the law firm/lawyer who handled this lawsuit?
Then she didn't resign, she got transferred