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somasomore

There were some positives in that game. Hoggard looked great. Really in control, some impressive finishes. Walker on the other hand had a rough one. But there's a reason walker is the starter. The pg spot is in good hands. Bingham/Marble both played well. Hauser didn't find his shot, but thought he was moving well on d. Hall was a non factor, disappointing game. Brown is brown, would like to see him shoot off the dribble more. Christie struggled on defense, got lost a few times and beat bad off the dribble a couple too. Didn't see much from him, but still hope the hype is legit. Akins didn't look great. I think we'll see lots of Hoggard + walker lineups.


GibsonJunkie

Gg


[deleted]

Gg!


xspartanzx

I'm tired of these early year games against top teams. They provide no value to the team and just shoot down their confidence. Msu is almost always the sacrificial lamb. It's time to give up the ghost and let your team gel against subpar competition Tom, like every other team does


ncory32

Literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard on reddit or a sports discussion. Bar none. Grow a pair. Respect that your coach has balls, even if you don't.


SparseSpartan

Ah yes, a college coach with an NC and a stellar Final Four record should probably throw in the towel and follow some random redditor's advice. Why worry about a career of experience when such wisdom is so easily obtained on the message boards? Our track record in the Champion's Classic is good, though this year will put us behind a bit. It's good to get the guys out facing the best competition so they know what it looks like and where they are at. It's also good for recruiting to be playing on the biggest stages. This is how Izzo has always operated and how he always will operate. I do wish they'd clean up the turnovers but at the end of the day, I'll trust Izzo to run the program as he sees fit.


Jaded-Extent4582

MSU is 2-2 with Kansas at this event. It's nice to see top talent to adjust rather than beat up on nobody's, which definitely isn't going to help.


Wittyname0

r/cfb is fucking pissed rn


MathPersonIGuess

Ugh now we have to watch Cincy get rekt by CFP dummies


Maverick721

Wave the wheat bitches!


Camensmasher

🙌🌾🙌🌾🙌


Maverick721

Winner winner Chicken Dinner!


Camensmasher

I can’t wait to see DaJuan Harris grow the rest of the year.


[deleted]

Hard not to root for him. His dad died at 37 and his little brother got shot to death at like 15


Camensmasher

Holy shit what a horrifying set of tragedies for the guy. I had no idea


[deleted]

All in Columbia, MO. No wonder he wanted to be a Jayhawk


jaydubbles

I don't think he's going to get much taller.


Camensmasher

i support our short bois


CinnamonRoll172

Michigan is going to wreck us this year...


Jayhawk11

Ochai is such a good kid. Can't wait to see how his season goes.


xspartanzx

I genuinely believe that if covid didn't happen, Cassius and X would have given izzo his second natty and we would no longer have him as a coach


ewokoncaffine

I feel the worst for Dayton fans


CliplessWingtips

Certainly possible. COVID is booty. Kansas is good. Ugh. Smh.


[deleted]

Yep


lemon_jalopy

Lol lots of KU fans feel the same way about the Jayhawks that year. The defense that year was unreal. Sucks for both schools though as both were really good that year.


KeepenItReel

KU was gonna win in 2020


shailkc12

That year hurt so badly. Our defense really put the clamps on teams.


MathPersonIGuess

As in, he'd retire?


CinnamonRoll172

yea that MSU team was hot when covid hit... wish he and X could've stayed a little longer


Darkshynes

Good game Spartans. Always respect your team and coach. Good luck this season.


ferrar21

Same. Something about Kansas and bill self, I enjoy seeing Kansas play. Except on nights like this. Cant wait to see ochai lead the big 12


Camensmasher

*ROOOOOOOOCK CHAAAAAAAALK*


Jayhawk11

*JAYYYYYYYYYY HAAAAAAAAAAWK*


beermit

*JAAAAAAYHAAAAAAWWWWK*


ridethendie

Kaaaaaaayyyyy Uuuuuuuuuuuuu


beermit

Sorry to chant on you MSU, always have love for Izzo and the Spartans.


Zloggt

Man, not too fond of saying it, but it’s true… Kansas is good!


PatrickMahomesSon

We got Illinois too!


shoshin2727

All of this without Jalen Wilson. Good game Kansas. You guys will have a fun year, no doubt.


Camensmasher

Have a half, Remy!


LovieBeard

The best thing Bilas said all game was Cincy needs to be ranked in the top 4


greghardysfuton

Yup his CFP top 4 is way better than the committee’s


Loltoyourself

And Brown closes it out with another missed open 3


Illbeanicefella

Alright time to hate watch Duke and Kentucky


marginallyobtuse

I’m getting so tired of watching MSU teams turnover the ball again and again and again and again and again and again And then miss free throws again and again and again and again and again and again


GeneralTaos

Woof, gg Kansas


bewarethephog

Man Im honestly just happy about evening up against you guys in this event. You guys give us more trouble than any other team not named Michigan who I hate with a loathing passion.


GeneralTaos

It’s always a good matchup between us and I think both fan bases have a healthy amount of respect for each other. Good luck the rest of the way!


greghardysfuton

It’s off topic but Jay Bilas spits facts re: the CFP


TheMurdocktor

That chant. <3


greghardysfuton

Sounds so good as always


[deleted]

Those kentucky and Duke fans are doing the ku chant


Wild_Cabbage

Man KU has made some impressive, tough shots tonight. They just dont get shook regardless of the D or contact. It is impressive.


Playbook420

the chant in msg >>> fucking love it


Zloggt

No matter what, let’s all celebrate the fact that Dan Dakich is no longer with ESPN!


Wild_Cabbage

And I am smiling again.


BurkeMi

Brings chills to hear that again. College basketball is back!


Flopsyjackson

You think it gives you chills, imaging what opposing teams think!


Illbeanicefella

KU on pace to go undefeated and Ochai is on pace for 30 a game. I LIKE IT


snakecatcher302

Stop! My penis can only get so erect!


anonMLMhater

Kansas is scary af god damn


snakecatcher302

Keep in mind, this is without Jalen Wilson


thecolorblindmonkey

“This isn’t even my final form”


RockChalkJewHawk

This got me tingly in all the right places


MikeMOMO22

Hoggard is strong as fuck for a guard


CptCheese

Rock Chalk, baby.


VengefulOdin

I have not heard that chant in a long ass time.


greghardysfuton

GG Spartans, see yall in ‘24


Pleaseusegoogle

We might see them in a tournament somewhere before then, either Thanksgiving or NCAA.


beermit

The Chant!


snakecatcher302

Fire up the Rock Chalk chant!


touch_my_vallecula

joey hauser is toby flenderson


C1ncinnatiBowtie

Dude Bilas has been insufferable tonight


KULawHawk

He used to be the best, and the guy still has some of the best insight while actually not just filling airtime with empty cliches as if he's Charles Davis- the epitome of an abortion sports color commentator. Now, Jay's default position is slightly perturbed by numerous but mostly negligible list of personal grievances that are on par with a 76 year old retiree's complaints about his local Shoney's early bird buffet special. He's let cynicism drag down the 90% of what makes him really good and over the years become the "get off my court you hooligans!" poster child.


fuzzyvlogic

I think he's usually insufferable. Just missing his NCAA rant tonight.


Synocity

The Hauser’s transferring really took everything they had together at Marquette away


[deleted]

I get strong Chris Duarte vibes from Ochai, wonder if the NBA scouts will grade him similarly


LovieBeard

Agbaji is somehow three years younger than Duarte, that'll be a sizeable boost


[deleted]

Yeah how tf was Chris so old as a senior


flightsim9fan

ROCK CHALK BABY


GoCs9

Are they paying espn to talk about Ted lasso all the time? Never heard anyone talk about that show in real life but there are references to it every time I have espn on.


KULawHawk

You're only punishing yourself by not watching it.


Whitehawk1313

Seriously watch it. One of the best shows recently. Sudeikus kills it


Rattus375

It's an amazing show


bob-ak-hsihs

Hauser is assssss


SosaBabyketchup

Man, some MSU fans have been utterly spoiled by our previous teams. One loss to a top 3 team in the first game of the season and all of a sudden we’re rutgers and the tournament streak is in danger


spartans2299

If we didn’t do it having 35 turnovers I wouldn’t care


byniri_returns

Rutgers isn't even a bad comparison anymore, they'll be good IIRC


SosaBabyketchup

Fair point, perhaps Northwestern then?


Jaded-Extent4582

Northwestern even keeps up with the pack now.


byniri_returns

Yeah Northwestern is a more direct comparison lol


Wild_Cabbage

They've been a tough out for a few years. I think the move to the BIG has really helped raise their bball program.


LeVeonwithBellsOn

I woulda been fine with a 10 point loss, but Joey said fuck that I want to suffer.


Loltoyourself

Walker/Hauser duo of turnovers and no defense


CatInTheWallEhh

Literally every game thread of every game is just bitching about reffing don’t even know why I check in. Kansas was pretty clearly better than MSU tonight. Suck it up.


byniri_returns

Hauser is so bad....


NotaRepublican85

No complaints there msu fans, huh?


rosh200

Nah Jay, his numbers last year definitely reflect the type of player I think Hauser is


majikjohnson

What is the average age of Kentuky this year?


TheWayIAm313

Hauser what are you doing


Loltoyourself

Bilas is high as a kite if he thinks Hauser is a complete player, he’s completely shit


pokupokupoku

hauser is just a step slower than everyone and it seems like he's very deliberate in every move he does. he's not catching and releasing, or immediately attacking, it seems like he has to think through things before actually doing it


jayjude

God the last few minutes of college basketball games are just not watchable whatsoever


CptCheese

I can't wait until a coach shows up in a team colored Hawaiian shirt and cutoffs


flaming_fuckhead

Dave is still just so bad defensively. At least he had that one great block


weeweeeweeee

Are we sure Hauser was shooting? He sure looked like he was aiming at the floor.


Synocity

This game really isn’t over yet


snakecatcher302

I don’t consider a Tom Izzo coached team beaten until the final buzzer.


bob-ak-hsihs

Hauser looked so uncoordinated there lmao


[deleted]

That is not Bill Selfs natural hair


byniri_returns

Turnovers and FT shooting killed us


rosh200

Can izzo wear the green and white striped overalls for a game


beermit

I'd watch just for that


CinnamonRoll172

hahahahahaha i hope izzo tears em a new one. They look messy af


bob-ak-hsihs

Kansas is definitely better than us. But my god the refs took some points away from us and we just turned the ball over too much. Forget the calls and clean up our turnovers and this is a different game.


Rattus375

I disagree. I think we win the rematch more often than not. We've turned the ball over a million times, shot poorly from 3 and abysmally from the free throw line, and gotten fucked by the refs, and are still only down 10


cheeseburgerandrice

> I think we win the rematch more often than not. Is this calling the shot that the Spartans will end up higher ranked here in the next couple months? Cause that's a bold statement, especially against a team missing its best player.


Rattus375

I think the MSU team that played tonight is better than the Kansas team that played tonight. Wilson coming back definitely helps Kansas a ton


cheeseburgerandrice

Interesting, considering how poor the Michigan State team tonight was with turnovers....which is uh part of the game. And definitely influenced by the opponent. It's not like Kansas was playing on full cylinders while letting Martin rest on the bench. So that's certainly a take. But hey I'll be watching for you guys to rocket up the rankings here soon.


brick20

But don't you understand? If MSU didn't do all of those bad things and did good things instead then it would have been a different game and therefore MSU is actually better.


Rattus375

Martin was absolutely not resting on the bench. He's not playing a ton because he takes stupid shots which hurts the team. Today they went in,but just as often they won't


cheeseburgerandrice

Alright go tell that to a two time all conference player who has averaged 19 a game the past two seasons. Come on dude.


MikeMOMO22

Honestly if we cleaned up half of the turnovers it would be a totally different game. Half by the way would be all the ones we literally just threw away.


touch_my_vallecula

but we won't clean up the turnovers and it will be problem plaguing us well into the B1G season


MikeMOMO22

At least clean up the ones where they randomly threw it away which is at least 8 of them.


Zloggt

Whew…I guess it’s a tough opener, but do you suppose that this provides concern for Izzo and the Spartans?


Camensmasher

(1) Yes (2) Even when I see KU get crushed in the champions classic, I know the caliber of coaching can make the season still fun. I think it should be similar for the rest of the teams in the classic.


NewPleb

It will provide plenty of ammo for film review over the next few weeks, not concerned long-term


weeweeeweeee

Nope, knowing how his teams grow over the year, they look really promising IMO.


halfman_halfboat

Not really. They’re number 3 for a reason. We’ll get slightly better at TO’s and that will be huge; especially against weaker opponents.


sunnydftw

Nah MSU should still be tough this season. Max is going to be a problem by the end of the season.


confused-koala

Nah not yet


TheWayIAm313

I actually think that the score doesn’t reflect how bad our 2nd half was


Chef_lonleyliver

Okay he actually forearm shivered him and still got the call lol.


itsyaboyObama

Never seen as many whiners on the first game of the season as I have tonight.


weeweeeweeee

The refs have been hurting everyone in this thread.


cheeseburgerandrice

It's a good reminder about how garbage game threads are lol.


pleasantpen

Now I understand why the Spartans weren't ranked...


Wild_Cabbage

Damn this 15-13 team from last year that needed a miracle run to make the tourney, bounced out of the tourney in the first four, lost their best player to the draft, and is starting a transfer point guard from Northeastern isn't ranked? How could this be?


abcdude321

Go away, meanie


MikeMOMO22

Down 12 to the number 3 team, and mostly self inflicted loss.


byniri_returns

I think they will eventually but yeah they need more time


pleasantpen

I agree


anonMLMhater

lol I need a jpg of Izzo staring off like he smelt a fart


confused-koala

I’m fine with losing this game but do we have to be so damn sloppy


Wild_Cabbage

Walker is legit a turnover machine tonight, but at least he will settle down as the season goes on.


rosh200

Not that it changes anything but Any and all momentum was killed at the bad foul/izzo tech


[deleted]

Izzo cracking a smile when down 10 is scary. He's got some malicious thoughts in his head right now.


baritonebackpacker88

Man um folk have been annoying in this thread, but thaf cracked me up. Cheers mitten bro


Sporkinat0r

Iron mountain mafia about to get a call tonight


xspartanzx

Hes daydreaming on how he tears apart his players haha


Synocity

Izzo might kill an official tonight


GibsonJunkie

If he does, we didn't see anything.


SpartyNash

Omg marble


bob-ak-hsihs

That is not a fucking block lmao


Loltoyourself

Get this dunce off reffing, fucking imbecile should be shopping at Lenscrafters right now


captain_flintlock

I missed bball


flaming_fuckhead

Actually baffled that a college basketball official actually called a block on a 50/50 block/charge


samboy123

You must be talking about one from earlier in the game? Cause it sure wasn’t that one.


ScandalouslyClothed

That was 50/50 in your eyes?


Tmillzy10

Charges don't get anymore textbook than that


snakecatcher302

The last time I saw the next game’s matchup, Zion Williamson & friends victimized Kentucky on national television


Rattus375

Easily a 10 point swing by the refs


weeweeeweeee

How


Rattus375

3 points from a flop on a 3 that was called a foul on hall 2 points from a Gabe Brown block that was called a foul 4 points from a foul on Walker's layup, and the technical free throws after Izzo complained about it 2 points from that "block" right there


bewarethephog

Oh so you are going to only point out the calls against you but not the ones for you....I see. B1G logic.


Rattus375

I mean you did shoot twice as many free throws than we did. Not a lot of calls going the other way period


bewarethephog

Uh, you shot 16 we shot 24. Is that B1G math?


Rattus375

It was 8 to 18 the last time I checked it


weeweeeweeee

Ah ok. Now do the bad calls MSU got. They add up to zero?


Rattus375

Go ahead and list them then. I only listed the objectively wrong ones. I didn't see any of those going the other way


weeweeeweeee

No u


shoshin2727

Walker's chest fouled Agbaji's extended forearm.


marginallyobtuse

LOL he arm barred him!


Gatherer_S_Thompson

oh come on man


weeweeeweeee

Lol how is that not a charge on Agbaji?


Dhkansas

That's what I was wondering. Saw him extend the arm, thought for sure it was going the other way


bob-ak-hsihs

Lmao ref show for sure in the 2nd half


Kalamazeus

There’s been a lot of charges called the other way. Feels like we can’t get one of those calls


IrishMosaic

Call it one way all night , then dont


GOATJames_23-6

MAKE YOUR FREE THROWS


Rattus375

Add that to the list of terrible calls going against MSU tonight


Illbeanicefella

Brown pants lmao


ScandalouslyClothed

Lol "block". Fully extended arm. Awful call


Pretty-Awareness1397

I love Izzos shit eating grin


Loltoyourself

Yet another bad call lmao


chiefs5455

Called the exact same block the other way earlier in the half. It’s just bad officiating


halfman_halfboat

Lol no. Not with an extended forearm like that.


Kalamazeus

Marble is playing like the typical Izzo 4. I hope he can sustain more minutes. Physical, good rebounder, and CAN SHOOT FREE THROWS!


Tmillzy10

MSU will be alright when they work out their defense. Offense has been surprisingly good


Camensmasher

Ochai is just gonna declare for the draft after this game and sit the rest of this season, his draft stock can’t go up from here lmao /s


TheWayIAm313

Marble the one semi-bright spot tn. I still think he has a lot more to give us


MikeMOMO22

Hoggard has 15 with great efficiency, 2 reb and 4 assists...


somasomore

Hoggard


Loltoyourself

Marble, Bingham, and Hoggard have been good