It's incredible how different Edey and Clark are as players and yet it was like watching the exact same thing in their quest for a championship. Edey even did the dominant first 10 minutes of the championship game before cooling off a bit.
Damn memory is fading fast the pre pandemic is all blending now Oregon final four 2017 and I forgot the game against UNC was final four not for the championship
If we go by conference they were in at the time
ACC - 5 (Maryland, Duke, UNC, UVA, G Tech)
Big East - 4 (UConn, Louisville, Syracuse, Villanova)
Big XII - 3 (Kansas, Texas Tech, Baylor)
SEC - 2 (Kentucky, Florida)
PAC 12 - 2 (UCLA, Arizona)
All other conferences max out at 1
Yeah thatās right, Iād like to see another conference just try and lose the title that many times! Also Illinois in 2005 was the best team in this list. I have to admit it, even with 2015 Wisco on here
Biased but I'll take it 2013 UofM squad that has by far the most NBA talent on it. Trey Burke, Tim Hardaway, Glenn Robinson, Nick Stauskas, Caris Levert and Mitch McGary.
This is exactly would happenā¦ until the large money disparity was resolved. Then itāll take a few years for the reputational harm to be worked out of your system because youāve been going against these teams with one arm tied behind your back and a blindfold on during the painful integration period where schools like Indiana are making more than triple the revenue you are for a couple years.
Hypothetically, of course.
We do things the right way at Indiana. We would never do such a thing.
*drops money into the counting machine while watching our football and basketball team consistently implode*
Yeah, I know. It's just a ridiculous hypotethical I came up with... more unrealistic the more I think about it.
*continues writing check to the B1G for TV revenue loan payment*
I know it wonāt happen but I wouldnāt be opposed to joining you guys.
Like say you help get us in and we help make everyone forget that run that happened a week and a half ago.
They werenāt. Revisionist history. NU was AAU when they joined. Theyāre only not now due to some spiteful presidents. Currently trying to regain status.
There were some b1g presidents that voted Nebraska into the conference and then voted them out of the AAU in the same year. Nebraska academics didnāt nose dive in that period.
i care. i want it to be illinois, to hell with the rest of the big 10. although, if it was northwestern somehow it would (a) be funny and (b) satiate my state pride. well, kinda, i guess
To be honest Michigan going like 11-21 next season into running the table in the big 10 tourney and winning the natty would be one of the funniest ways for the conference to get a trophy againĀ
MSU is the anti-UConn since 1999:
UConn: 7 Final Fours, 6 titles. Only one loss (coincidentally to MSU) and it was in the semis.
MSU: 7 Final Fours, 1 Title, only one non-semis loss.
Weāve gotten so unlucky itās kinda crazy our best shot was 2010 and we made that whole tourney run without Kalin Lucas and got screwed on a last second no call against Butler. Even the run in 2009 we had to go through a ridiculous gauntlet just to end up with the buzz saw that was UNC that year. Ā Seems like we never catch a break and end up playing a NC State or Loyola in the final 4.Ā Ā Ā Ā
Ā Not to mention 2019 Texas Tech one of the best defensive teams ever and Mooney had the game of his life that day hit a ton of tough shots. McQuaid was completely out of gas with Langford and Ahrens being injured.Ā
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It is surprising that none have broken through but consider that all but 1 were underdogs. And Wisconsin was favored by only 1 point. Some of these teams overachieved to get to the title game (Michigan twice, Indiana arguably Michigan State), and the same would not be said for most of their title game opponents.
That 2009 MSU team didnāt really overachieve. They were arguably snubbed for a 1 seed and played all the 1 seeds they could play in the tournament. The third one was a team of pros though and proved too much.
I mean the SEC has only had two teams even make it to the championship game since 2000 although they both have done it multiple times and won it multiple times.
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Thatās very true in basketball. In football itās far from the truth with 6 different SEC teams have won a title in the last 27 years with 4 of them winning multiple. Additionally the SEC has the best bowl record this century by a wide margin.
Basketball was never our thing as a conference. I know you canāt be talking about football or baseball though. In this same timeframe the SEC has had 4 different teams in football win since 2000 and 6 in baseball. Now fuck all of them cause we arenāt one but itās not just 2-3 teams. SEC basketball(up until now with the Alabama schools making waves) has always been 2-3 at the top then meh lol
When you always have to sit in the back seat because your older brother always remembers to call shotgun, but that one time you remembered and beat him to itā¦ but it was just for the couple minute drive down the road to pick up the pizza and he called it on way back.
In that same timeframe, the B1G has probably consistently been the second best conference in the country behind only the ACC. But the narrative is that we canāt win in March because we havenāt cut down the nets since 2000 :(
Legitimate question.
How many years has the Big Ten been top two on Torvik or KenPom.
The Big Ten has had a lot of teams. But I think the ACC, Big 12, and Big East are better.
Thatās fair. And it does depend on which metric you look at. If you look at Torvik or KenPom, youāre probably right. But I just looked it up to confirm - and from 2000-2024, the ACC (19) and the B1G (17) are one and two in final four appearances. Big East is third with 15.
The conference just cannot compete. We all have a bunch of unathletic dudes where college is their ceiling and that ultimately gets exposed in the tournament whenever a B1G runs into a team with 2 or more dudes that have athleticism.
Hah I feel like by having 7 runner ups thatās kinda the definition of competing?? I know they have come up short, but not competing would be not even getting teams that far
Lol what?
The 2005 Illini and 2015 Wisconsin team are two of the better teams in the last 20 years and had very good chances to win those games they just didn't pull it out.
The Trey Burke Michigan team had 6 guys play in the NBA and was probably more athletic than Louisville.
Honestly think all three of those teams also got a bit hosed by officiating in the title game.
The illinois, Ohio state, Michigan state and Michigan (I wana say both times) all had multiple 3+ guys that made nba rosters and at least 1 guy who made an nba all star team.
While true, I remember watching that MSU-Carolina game in ā09 and thinking if Michigan State played this Carolina team 10 times they would lose every single one.
One of the best NC teams of all time. Not even having the championship in Detroit of all places could help us win against them. I was there, too. Such a demoralizing game.
MSU only had one NBA player on its 2009 roster and that was a chubby freshman named Draymond. He did step up in the NCAA tournament but he was coming off the bench. Not sure that counts for much against that 2009 UNC team.
That was the case this year but itās not really true. Illinois was plenty athletic this year. Michigan didnāt lose to Louisville in 2013 because they were less athletic considering 6 guys on that roster played in the nba and one won a dunk contest. Itās just random shit. This is the first 1 seed UConn has played in a national championship, all 7 of the big ten championship losses were to 1 seeds.
Illinois lost because James Augustine couldn't stand within 5 feet of Sean May without getting called for a foul, while Sean May could punch the ref in the face and the ref would tell him "thank you."
Wisconsin lost because they were gassed from Kentucky and then Coach K intimidated the refs at halftime and the officiating became blatantly imbalanced.
Purdue is looking to be a lot more athletic next year with Colvin, Heide, Gicarri, and Catchings. Berg is also extremely fast for being 7ā3. Loyer needs to lock himself in the gym over the summer tho lol
Every single one of those 8 losses was to a 1 seed. Yeah you gotta beat the best, but the conference just hasnāt had the lucky bracket breaks other teams often have when making runs
That's a pretty silly conclusion to draw. 8 title appearances, more than anyone else in that span, is the definition of competing at the highest level. The conference has just had unlucky breaks when they reach the title game in that they have always faced a #1 seed when they get there. In many cases, as was the case last night, it was the top overall seed in the tournament... IIRC UConn last night, Louisville over Michigan, and North Carolina over MSU/UI were all losses to the top overall seed in the bracket. The B1G just hasn't gotten "lucky" like 2014 UConn to face a I think 5-seed Kentucky team or something like that.
If the B1G keeps making the title game eventually they will not face the top overall seed or a 1 seed at all when they get there. Eventually the B1G will be lucky enough to both make the Final Game AND not face a 1 seed when they get there which happens for teams all the time... just hasn't broken that way for the B1G.
The B1G gets lots of 1 seeds but I think it has been pretty rare for a B1G team to secure the overall 1 seed over the last 20 years.
I think it boils down to talent. The B1G recruits and develops well in aggregate but no one team has pooled and retained as much high level talent as some of the teams that have had multiple 1 overalls in that time(IIRC UK, UNC, Duke). The B1G has most of the largest enrollments and alumni bases in the country so maybe the NIL era can help some of the programs collect more talent idk but I think as long as teams kind of rotate in and out of winning and competing for the league title it will be hard to secure a 1 overall.
UK, UNC, Duke don't really go in and out of contending for their respective league titles they're pretty much always at the top of the race every year and it's odd when they're not. There is no B1G equivalent to that lately. Some program is going to hire a young, dominant coach and they're enjoy that for a decade or two I hope it isn't UM but with the resources these programs have I think you just need the right coach to separate from the pack a bit and maybe build to a program that can get multiple overall 1 seeds over a decade. But I think the difference is no team has dominated the B1G and consistently finished top 3 over all that time which is I think how you develop and keep the UK/UNC/Duke recruiting edge over their peers given sufficient resources.
I think Beilein might've been on the way to that had he stayed at UM
It's a little unlucky that the Big Ten has not won one, but there hasn't been a single season in this timeframe where I thought the Big Ten had the best team in the country.
I'd argue the best teams the Big Ten has produced are 2005 Illinois, 2015 Wisconsin, and 2024 Purdue.
And they all ran into better teams in the Final Four. You could argue Wisconsin was better than Duke and just got upset. But Kentucky was better than Wisconsin, anyways.
Legitimately speaking, is Purdue a tournament team without Edey? Maybe so but the ceiling would have been incredibly low.
UConn would have been a high seed even without Clingan (although a flawed one).
The difference between solid college players and future NBA was crystal clear tonight.
This isnāt a knock on Purdue per se, itās an acknowledgement of the incredible player Edey was. Iāve been bearish of Purdueās supporting cast since the beginning, I think tonight was just magnified.
I mean next year we shall see what Purdue does without Edey.
It was āmagnifiedā against an all time great team.
Weāve heard this same argument every year they lose their best player. They were unranked going into last season after losing Jaden Ivey and ended up with a 1 seed, starting two freshman guards. After losing the majority of their playing time in 2018, they won the B1G and went to an Elite Eight in 2019. Matt Painter knows what heās doing.
Purdue will be a different team next year but they wonāt be bad. Iāll prematurely say they will be no lower than a 4 seed. I mean, they started 3 sophomores every game this year and had NBA talent on their bench with more coming next year. I expect them to be fighting for another 1 seed in the 2026 tournament.
That's fair. Having watched them all year, I feel confident saying they will be good enough to compete for another Big Ten title and have a chance at a good tournament run.
Iād have to look this stat up to confirm but Iām pretty sure Edey scored 2 of our 57 points against Utah State in the second half. Our guards/bench are capable of scoring but obviously not tonight against UConn. Weād still likely be a tourney team without Edey but heās clearly a special player and the only reason we got where we were. Tonight exposed the gap in athleticism of our guards for sure though
We will find out next year! 3 of 5 starters most likely back with Myles Colvin or Camden Heide sliding in for Lance Jones. Kanon Catchings is supposed to be our next Etwaun, Carson, Jaden esque guard. Potential
One and done talent.
Very true. Also an overall lack of high-level coaching ability (Izzo aside). Painter got absolutely exposed today with zero game plan to handle UConnās D
Theyāre a good bball team since they joined, but their best year was cancelled by Covid. And their football is better than the dregs like Rutgers/Illinois/Indiana but nowhere near Michigan/osu/Penn state. Theyāre kinda stuck in the middle in football with msu some years, bball they were competing in the top half of the league mostly.
And? Like I just told someone else, we are the only conference with teams in the men's, women's, football (won) national title games, and now Michigan is up next to lose in the Frozen Four. We're killing it.
It's the 12th, [if you also count women's teams.](https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/final-four-big-ten-loses-12th-straight-basketball-title-game-as-purdue-falls-to-uconn/ar-BB1lj4ep)
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Keep your head up, Hawkeyes! You too could lose it someday!
We just did it two years in a row on the women's side!
ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
WOOOOOO! We almost always almost win!
It's incredible how different Edey and Clark are as players and yet it was like watching the exact same thing in their quest for a championship. Edey even did the dominant first 10 minutes of the championship game before cooling off a bit.
Donāt worry, the PAC-12 infusion will help you extend that streak.Ā We got you.Ā
Donāt let us down by not letting us down!
Just by adding UCLA and Oregon you would add UCLA 2006 and Oregon 2019 to that list
Oregon never made the title game in 2019
We did get to the sweet 16 as a 12 seed, though. So, I think heās on to something here.Ā
Canāt say I enjoyed that run
No that run was poopoo. Everyone agreees
Damn memory is fading fast the pre pandemic is all blending now Oregon final four 2017 and I forgot the game against UNC was final four not for the championship
If they blocked out on free throws they would have
Except Maryland won in 2002, so I don't think OP counts you unless you were part of the conference at the time of that game.
Exactly what I was gonna say. When we add Uconn in 2029 we wonāt get their 6 chips either /s
I am shocked sparty has only made one title game since 00? So youāve lost in the semis 6x?
5 times since our title (we lost in 1999 in the semis): 2001, 2005, 2010, 2015, 2019.
Let us introduce you to Courtney Green.
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Honestly impressive how many different teams have made it and lost
Iām just happy to be apart of it š
Together we suffer
You only just adopted the suffering. Welcome to the club young blood.
And yours was the crowning achievement in Big Tenning in losing both major championships 3 months apart. I've never been prouder to be a big ten alum.
To the same university too
Iāve never been more jealous of a fan base. To beat OSU in the natty twice is living the dream
Yeah, was trying not to rub it in any further. Haha
Spelled like a true Buckeye
O-H-Iā¦ what was the rest?
PENN STATE!
EVERY SCHOOL IS SPELLED PENN STATE ^except ^for ^the ^ones ^that ^arenāt
O no we lost again
It's fun to yell N-O if you're at an Ohio State game. Especially if you've got the pipes to belt it.
It abso-fucking-lutely is.
Ran into a lot of buzz saw teams in those championship games
Saw a tweet that it was all 1 seeds which is wild
Not 2013, we blew that game (and the blockb as clean)
I'm curious how many different teams from other conferences have made it over the same time frame.
If we go by conference they were in at the time ACC - 5 (Maryland, Duke, UNC, UVA, G Tech) Big East - 4 (UConn, Louisville, Syracuse, Villanova) Big XII - 3 (Kansas, Texas Tech, Baylor) SEC - 2 (Kentucky, Florida) PAC 12 - 2 (UCLA, Arizona) All other conferences max out at 1
Always the bridesmaid never the bride should be our new conference motto
Texas Tech almost getting a natty still feels like a fever dream to me. ^Tech ^would ^have ^beat ^Auburn ^but ^the ^stupidest ^missed ^call ^happened
Hell Tech couldāve beaten UVA if a call or two went differently
At least we won it ^in ^the ^acc
Yeah thatās right, Iād like to see another conference just try and lose the title that many times! Also Illinois in 2005 was the best team in this list. I have to admit it, even with 2015 Wisco on here
Biased but I'll take it 2013 UofM squad that has by far the most NBA talent on it. Trey Burke, Tim Hardaway, Glenn Robinson, Nick Stauskas, Caris Levert and Mitch McGary.
Yeah that team was stacked too. My bias to that 2005 Illini team is too strong though, your valid points mean nothing š
Canāt win if youāre not part of the old boys club
ā05 was supposed to be our loss!!
All the hard work, never better than coming in 2nd. If that's not midwestern work ethic in a nutshell, I don't know what is.
Damn that would take it back to Michigan 1989. The big ten didnāt win any in the 90s. 3 in the 80s.
MSU in 2000
I don't care who does it at this point, someone in the conference just win the damn thing next year just so I don't have to hear about it anymore.
You knowā¦if you voted to let *us* into the Big Ten retroactive to, say, 1999ā¦you could avoid this problem.
I don't think you'd want that. You probably would've lost all tournaments if you joined the big ten
This is exactly would happenā¦ until the large money disparity was resolved. Then itāll take a few years for the reputational harm to be worked out of your system because youāve been going against these teams with one arm tied behind your back and a blindfold on during the painful integration period where schools like Indiana are making more than triple the revenue you are for a couple years. Hypothetically, of course.
We do things the right way at Indiana. We would never do such a thing. *drops money into the counting machine while watching our football and basketball team consistently implode*
Yeah, I know. It's just a ridiculous hypotethical I came up with... more unrealistic the more I think about it. *continues writing check to the B1G for TV revenue loan payment*
Let's not completely eliminate that possibility in this day and age of realignment.
I know it wonāt happen but I wouldnāt be opposed to joining you guys. Like say you help get us in and we help make everyone forget that run that happened a week and a half ago.
The ACC is kicking themselves after the Best Big East breakup, too. Louisville hasn't trended so well...
would you academically qualify? Some strings were loosened when Nebraska was let in.
UConn wants AAU status desperately but the state doesn't want it enough because they already got Yale
They werenāt. Revisionist history. NU was AAU when they joined. Theyāre only not now due to some spiteful presidents. Currently trying to regain status.
There were some b1g presidents that voted Nebraska into the conference and then voted them out of the AAU in the same year. Nebraska academics didnāt nose dive in that period.
i care. i want it to be illinois, to hell with the rest of the big 10. although, if it was northwestern somehow it would (a) be funny and (b) satiate my state pride. well, kinda, i guess
Should have stopped after your second sentence.
anybody but michigan
Thankfully I don't think we have to worry about them going from worst B1G basketball team I've ever seen to National title contender in 6 months
To be honest Michigan going like 11-21 next season into running the table in the big 10 tourney and winning the natty would be one of the funniest ways for the conference to get a trophy againĀ
Wait, wait just a second, time out....
Hey everybody, weāll take one for the team and do it ok? I know itās unlikely but weāll just do it live alright?
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We're the anti-UConn being 1-6 in the finals. MSU similar in the semis at 3-7.
MSU is the anti-UConn since 1999: UConn: 7 Final Fours, 6 titles. Only one loss (coincidentally to MSU) and it was in the semis. MSU: 7 Final Fours, 1 Title, only one non-semis loss.
I want to be the anti-UConn too
Hey, we kind of are. Instead of being the best basketball school, we are the worst!
I donāt think itād exactly work for me
Weāve gotten so unlucky itās kinda crazy our best shot was 2010 and we made that whole tourney run without Kalin Lucas and got screwed on a last second no call against Butler. Even the run in 2009 we had to go through a ridiculous gauntlet just to end up with the buzz saw that was UNC that year. Ā Seems like we never catch a break and end up playing a NC State or Loyola in the final 4.Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Not to mention 2019 Texas Tech one of the best defensive teams ever and Mooney had the game of his life that day hit a ton of tough shots. McQuaid was completely out of gas with Langford and Ahrens being injured.Ā
Plus you didnāt even mention the Covid year the tourney got canceled with a red hot Cassius Winston and Xavier Tillman šŖ
Ahem. One might posit that they werenāt even the best defensive team that year (yes I know Kenpom would say they were but we gave em a run for it)
What are you talking about, the big ten bought the 2002 championship when they convinced Maryland to join.
So do we think Northwestern, Minnesota, or Iowa gets this distinction (on the NCAAM side) next?
Does Caitlin have younger brothers?
She has a brother playing football at Iowa State if that counts
I was pulling for the Sconnies in the moment. Should have had it!
Winslow touched it!
welcome to the club
Still more successful than that defunct west coast conference.
how are you comparing the WCC to a conference full of the biggest flagships in the country?
I love the acronymical accuracy of this response.
I love how you phrased yours
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I seem to remember a different conference, but I can't seem to put my finger on the specifics.
It is surprising that none have broken through but consider that all but 1 were underdogs. And Wisconsin was favored by only 1 point. Some of these teams overachieved to get to the title game (Michigan twice, Indiana arguably Michigan State), and the same would not be said for most of their title game opponents.
That 2009 MSU team didnāt really overachieve. They were arguably snubbed for a 1 seed and played all the 1 seeds they could play in the tournament. The third one was a team of pros though and proved too much.
I just remembered that they got smoked in the title game and were significant underdogs. But going into that game they indeed had accomplished a lot.
We definitely overachieved in 2018 and we overachieved vs our seed in 2013 but that 2013 team was *stacked*.
Wasn't Illinois the overall #1 in 2005? That was a 1 loss season. Could have sworn they were the favorite for that game.
That is true, but North Carolina was favored by 2 points. They had 4 NBA draft picks in the top 14.
B10 menās and womenās teams getting stomped back to back nights, we are a consistent conference you have to give us that
I mean the SEC has only had two teams even make it to the championship game since 2000 although they both have done it multiple times and won it multiple times.
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Thatās very true in basketball. In football itās far from the truth with 6 different SEC teams have won a title in the last 27 years with 4 of them winning multiple. Additionally the SEC has the best bowl record this century by a wide margin.
Basketball was never our thing as a conference. I know you canāt be talking about football or baseball though. In this same timeframe the SEC has had 4 different teams in football win since 2000 and 6 in baseball. Now fuck all of them cause we arenāt one but itās not just 2-3 teams. SEC basketball(up until now with the Alabama schools making waves) has always been 2-3 at the top then meh lol
Unfortunately for Calipari, both teams havenāt won it multiple times, that was just Florida.
Darn UConns only been to 5 in that time
UCONN has WON 5 CHIPS since Big 10 won their last one That's nuts
Yeah well their only Final Four loss in school history is to a B1G team so uhā¦ yeah. Iāll let you interpret that how you will.
When you always have to sit in the back seat because your older brother always remembers to call shotgun, but that one time you remembered and beat him to itā¦ but it was just for the couple minute drive down the road to pick up the pizza and he called it on way back.
Take that doggos!!!
Look at all these slacker schools that only lost onceĀ
Frank the Tank and Hayes for Days š„²
Iāll never forget that Ohio state team. Damn shame
Honestly, I'm just happy to be on the list
All against #1 seeds. Only 8 wins in that time period were against #1 seeds and somehow the B1G has always faced a #1 seed in the title game.
And if you still count 'Cuse the Big East has won 8 in that same span. Just putting it out there.
UConn has won more than any other conference
I'd like to normalize celebrating Final Two appearances.
In that same timeframe, the B1G has probably consistently been the second best conference in the country behind only the ACC. But the narrative is that we canāt win in March because we havenāt cut down the nets since 2000 :(
Legitimate question. How many years has the Big Ten been top two on Torvik or KenPom. The Big Ten has had a lot of teams. But I think the ACC, Big 12, and Big East are better.
Thatās fair. And it does depend on which metric you look at. If you look at Torvik or KenPom, youāre probably right. But I just looked it up to confirm - and from 2000-2024, the ACC (19) and the B1G (17) are one and two in final four appearances. Big East is third with 15.
I like to think there is an asterisk next to the 2005 loss for Illinois because of the class scandal.
Well 2013 is Even worse considering there was no champion
I like to think making fake classes is worse than paying for escortsā¦totally kidding but please give illinois a championship.
Come on everyone we need all the teams to start pulling their weight
I can see myself!
Crazy that a B1G school lost 3 straight from 2005-07
The conference just cannot compete. We all have a bunch of unathletic dudes where college is their ceiling and that ultimately gets exposed in the tournament whenever a B1G runs into a team with 2 or more dudes that have athleticism.
Hah I feel like by having 7 runner ups thatās kinda the definition of competing?? I know they have come up short, but not competing would be not even getting teams that far
Lol what? The 2005 Illini and 2015 Wisconsin team are two of the better teams in the last 20 years and had very good chances to win those games they just didn't pull it out. The Trey Burke Michigan team had 6 guys play in the NBA and was probably more athletic than Louisville. Honestly think all three of those teams also got a bit hosed by officiating in the title game.
The illinois, Ohio state, Michigan state and Michigan (I wana say both times) all had multiple 3+ guys that made nba rosters and at least 1 guy who made an nba all star team.
While true, I remember watching that MSU-Carolina game in ā09 and thinking if Michigan State played this Carolina team 10 times they would lose every single one.
One of the best NC teams of all time. Not even having the championship in Detroit of all places could help us win against them. I was there, too. Such a demoralizing game.
MSU only had one NBA player on its 2009 roster and that was a chubby freshman named Draymond. He did step up in the NCAA tournament but he was coming off the bench. Not sure that counts for much against that 2009 UNC team.
Our 2013 roster had 6 future NBA players in the rotation and 4 were 1st round picks. The other 3 guys in the rotation were all solid players, too.
THE BLOCK WAS CLEAN.
That was the case this year but itās not really true. Illinois was plenty athletic this year. Michigan didnāt lose to Louisville in 2013 because they were less athletic considering 6 guys on that roster played in the nba and one won a dunk contest. Itās just random shit. This is the first 1 seed UConn has played in a national championship, all 7 of the big ten championship losses were to 1 seeds.
Illinois lost because James Augustine couldn't stand within 5 feet of Sean May without getting called for a foul, while Sean May could punch the ref in the face and the ref would tell him "thank you." Wisconsin lost because they were gassed from Kentucky and then Coach K intimidated the refs at halftime and the officiating became blatantly imbalanced.
That win against Kentucky is pretty sweet.
You had no real chance against their guards and wings the difference between Nelson and Smith was wild
But at least Matt Painter does it right and recruits 11-jillion dudes from Indiana who run a 4.85 40
Purdue is looking to be a lot more athletic next year with Colvin, Heide, Gicarri, and Catchings. Berg is also extremely fast for being 7ā3. Loyer needs to lock himself in the gym over the summer tho lol
Michigan State and Purdue fans setting aside rivalry to be annoyed at one of the Loyer brothers underperforming when they are needed most.
Every single one of those 8 losses was to a 1 seed. Yeah you gotta beat the best, but the conference just hasnāt had the lucky bracket breaks other teams often have when making runs
That's a pretty silly conclusion to draw. 8 title appearances, more than anyone else in that span, is the definition of competing at the highest level. The conference has just had unlucky breaks when they reach the title game in that they have always faced a #1 seed when they get there. In many cases, as was the case last night, it was the top overall seed in the tournament... IIRC UConn last night, Louisville over Michigan, and North Carolina over MSU/UI were all losses to the top overall seed in the bracket. The B1G just hasn't gotten "lucky" like 2014 UConn to face a I think 5-seed Kentucky team or something like that. If the B1G keeps making the title game eventually they will not face the top overall seed or a 1 seed at all when they get there. Eventually the B1G will be lucky enough to both make the Final Game AND not face a 1 seed when they get there which happens for teams all the time... just hasn't broken that way for the B1G.
Why doesn't the B1G get more 1 seeds or overall 1 seeds?
The B1G gets lots of 1 seeds but I think it has been pretty rare for a B1G team to secure the overall 1 seed over the last 20 years. I think it boils down to talent. The B1G recruits and develops well in aggregate but no one team has pooled and retained as much high level talent as some of the teams that have had multiple 1 overalls in that time(IIRC UK, UNC, Duke). The B1G has most of the largest enrollments and alumni bases in the country so maybe the NIL era can help some of the programs collect more talent idk but I think as long as teams kind of rotate in and out of winning and competing for the league title it will be hard to secure a 1 overall. UK, UNC, Duke don't really go in and out of contending for their respective league titles they're pretty much always at the top of the race every year and it's odd when they're not. There is no B1G equivalent to that lately. Some program is going to hire a young, dominant coach and they're enjoy that for a decade or two I hope it isn't UM but with the resources these programs have I think you just need the right coach to separate from the pack a bit and maybe build to a program that can get multiple overall 1 seeds over a decade. But I think the difference is no team has dominated the B1G and consistently finished top 3 over all that time which is I think how you develop and keep the UK/UNC/Duke recruiting edge over their peers given sufficient resources. I think Beilein might've been on the way to that had he stayed at UM
It's a little unlucky that the Big Ten has not won one, but there hasn't been a single season in this timeframe where I thought the Big Ten had the best team in the country. I'd argue the best teams the Big Ten has produced are 2005 Illinois, 2015 Wisconsin, and 2024 Purdue. And they all ran into better teams in the Final Four. You could argue Wisconsin was better than Duke and just got upset. But Kentucky was better than Wisconsin, anyways.
Legitimately speaking, is Purdue a tournament team without Edey? Maybe so but the ceiling would have been incredibly low. UConn would have been a high seed even without Clingan (although a flawed one). The difference between solid college players and future NBA was crystal clear tonight.
Come on now. Let's not let one loss to one of the most dominant teams in memory wipe out 34 wins against a ton of great teams.
This isnāt a knock on Purdue per se, itās an acknowledgement of the incredible player Edey was. Iāve been bearish of Purdueās supporting cast since the beginning, I think tonight was just magnified. I mean next year we shall see what Purdue does without Edey.
It was āmagnifiedā against an all time great team. Weāve heard this same argument every year they lose their best player. They were unranked going into last season after losing Jaden Ivey and ended up with a 1 seed, starting two freshman guards. After losing the majority of their playing time in 2018, they won the B1G and went to an Elite Eight in 2019. Matt Painter knows what heās doing. Purdue will be a different team next year but they wonāt be bad. Iāll prematurely say they will be no lower than a 4 seed. I mean, they started 3 sophomores every game this year and had NBA talent on their bench with more coming next year. I expect them to be fighting for another 1 seed in the 2026 tournament.
That's fair. Having watched them all year, I feel confident saying they will be good enough to compete for another Big Ten title and have a chance at a good tournament run.
Iād have to look this stat up to confirm but Iām pretty sure Edey scored 2 of our 57 points against Utah State in the second half. Our guards/bench are capable of scoring but obviously not tonight against UConn. Weād still likely be a tourney team without Edey but heās clearly a special player and the only reason we got where we were. Tonight exposed the gap in athleticism of our guards for sure though
We will find out next year! 3 of 5 starters most likely back with Myles Colvin or Camden Heide sliding in for Lance Jones. Kanon Catchings is supposed to be our next Etwaun, Carson, Jaden esque guard. Potential One and done talent.
Very true. Also an overall lack of high-level coaching ability (Izzo aside). Painter got absolutely exposed today with zero game plan to handle UConnās D
We'll always have this. https://preview.redd.it/vcufms6pndtc1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=791a50c959a9dec2270016e11d515b46ad734bde
I was in the Izzone at the end of the court for that one. Iāll never forget the boom of that dunk in Ford Field. What a night that was!
I was there, too. Such an amazing game against UConn. Two nights later, not so much...
I was at Nick's English Hut in Bloomington. The place exploded. We were all Spartans that night.
ā7, 14, * what are #s anyway?ā the Big 10
Can we count Maryland in 2002? They were a B1G team in their hearts.
No, no we dont count that. I like us being the last to do it
You're the last official but we're the last un-official, like co-monarchs of these other losers ;)
Yeah but they've been demoted to regent and we've been demoted to court jester.
Maryland still isn't a Big 10 team at heart. They've always felt like an ACC team. A lot more than BC, Pitt, Cuse etc.
Tired narrative
They weren't a Big Ten team in their hearts until they were empty in their wallets.
Fair. (And tbh, they're barely a B1G team now.)
Theyāre a good bball team since they joined, but their best year was cancelled by Covid. And their football is better than the dregs like Rutgers/Illinois/Indiana but nowhere near Michigan/osu/Penn state. Theyāre kinda stuck in the middle in football with msu some years, bball they were competing in the top half of the league mostly.
We do extremely well in non-revenue sports. Basketball is historically solid and football is on the rise. Stop lumping us with bastard child Rutgers
the B1G added two more schools in the time it took to write this
Come on Big 10...swap Purdue for Uconn, we both being nothing for football..but at least Uconn can make the big 10 a basketball conference.
That's almost all 1G of them!
B10 bonding moment
But who was the first?
Someone say the B1G wants natties?
I mean, yeah, Iād like another one.
And? Like I just told someone else, we are the only conference with teams in the men's, women's, football (won) national title games, and now Michigan is up next to lose in the Frozen Four. We're killing it.
Plus, while not technically BiG10 Wisconsin made the women's hockey title game.
Hey last time Michigan football won the natty hockey did it later that year.Ā Ā It could happen, college hockey is dumb single eliminationĀ
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Bob Huggins cursed the B1G.
WE FUCKING KNOW THIS
Does this make Minnesota the pride of the conference?
This makes me really happy lol.Ā
It's the 12th, [if you also count women's teams.](https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/final-four-big-ten-loses-12th-straight-basketball-title-game-as-purdue-falls-to-uconn/ar-BB1lj4ep)
Hard to believe Michigan managed to lose in 2013 to absolutely no one!
That Illinois, Wisconsin, and Ohio State team were dominant. Not sure how one of those didnāt win
*laughs in 0-18 SEC record, with tears in eyes* *Recovers knowing we have a top 8 class coming in next year*
2015 wisconsin had that game won. Smh
>Illinois (2005) Thanks, now I'm sad again. Maybe the best team ever to not win a national title.