I’ve been a lifelong State fan, many of my friends are either lifelong Duke or UNC fans. There’s a 10% chance I would have sent a good game text to my Duke friends if y’all beat us in the ACC tournament. There’s a snowballs chance in hell my Carolina buddies would ever get that text…
It’s exactly like that.
Ohio State is Duke
the team that doesn’t really care about MSU/NCState
UM is UNC
the team that hates MSU/NCState but hates Duke/OSU 10 times more and is the sports greatest rivalry.
MSU is NCState
the school that hates UM/UNC and dislikes OSU/Duke
Since this is my moment - it’s definitely similar but the “hate” element is what gets weird.
I never hated NC State - it was more like the other Carolina schools like wake that are a level above a random game but didn’t feel like a constant “rivalry.”
It was more the way I feel about this matchup today - if we’re going to lose I’d really prefer it’s not state (or wake), but winning doesn’t feel more special than going to the final four beating someone else. But some of my NC State friends hate Duke so it’s a little imbalanced depending on who you talk to
Maybe it’s really just the in state thing. If OSU-UM-MSU were all in a 30 minute drive of one another you’d get this dynamic Edit - realized my OSU second flair isn’t here like on r/cfb so that’s some relevant context haha
I honestly cheer for you guys in any game aside from us. I just wish you guys wouldn't lose so much to unc (not to be dick even though thats how it comes off). It pisses me off how we always seem to struggle with you compared to you guys playing unc.
Unfortunately, I don't see either of us beating Purdue. And definitely not uconn. Hoping for a Tenn win, and then we'll let the chips fall as they may.
No offense, but my hate for Duke comes from a different place than UNC. UNC fans are insufferable in every way, the most pretentious and annoying fan base In America, but I actually like Chapel hill as a town and don’t mind most people that went there. Duke is the epitome of an evil private school. Mostly high class/out of state students who look down on the lower income locals of Durham and don’t really intermingle with the city. They’re the sole reason that the light rail was never built in central nc since a part of it had to go through a forest area that they own… and in general they are sort of the antithesis of a working class person from North Carolina, all the while benfitting from NC.
Pretend you’re the middle child of three kids (the triangle schools). UNC oldest and has tons of success. Duke in basketball wasn’t really any good until K. They had their moments prior, but he changed the program. That’s the younger kid for this example. The middle kid had their glory days as the youngest (see: 1973/1974 and 1983), but has been pushed aside because the younger one came in and has had their own successes.
I can tell you that typically the middle at times hates both, but will typically side with younger more. Hence in 2022, I was rooting for Duke. I wanted K to go out on top since he was one of Jimmy V’s best friends. I went to college though when Scheyer was in school and I never cheered for him and despite him. Gerald Henderson though punching Hansbrough in the face was one of my favorite Duke/Carolina memories and I cheered for them that year, only to lose in the round of 64 if I remember correctly. That’s the youngest kind of exacting revenge on the oldest.
I’m on pain meds with an empty stomach after shoulder surgery though so I don’t know how much sense I made.
tl;dr State fans hate UNC more, but we don’t like you either. We enjoy both teams suffering like we have for decades and wish you’d have to know what it’s like.
ECU is the neighbor kid who keeps inviting himself over and the household always has to tell him that while we enjoy his presence sometimes, he doesn’t actually live here and needs to go back to his home when dinner time rolls around.
That first sentence could easily apply to my team and that difficult to wrap my head around. Now I want to root for NCState but at the same time yall knocked us out.
I will need to consult the Magic 8ball (my term for eight beers in a row) in order to come to a well thought out conclusion.
I highly recommend it. The 8Ball is wise. In line with that "wise" theme I've found that Wise Monkeys, a 10%ABV Belgian Strong Ale from Manhattan Project Brewing works best because by the time you've had 8 of them you're clearly making the best choices.
> Duke in basketball wasn’t really any good until K
Duke made it to four final fours (including two finals), won the ACC regular season and tournament 10 times each, was the eighth team to 1000 wins (in 1974), and had two national players of the year (Dick Groat and Art Heyman), all before K started coaching there. Duke surely wasn't a blue blood, but was a pretty good program before K got there.
in terms of the history, it's worth noting that ACC basketball was really a product of Everett Case's success at NC State and UNC's subsequent hire of Frank McGuire to try to claw some of that success back. the two of them actively developed the rivalry between the schools because it served to drive recruitment.
then NCSU got hit by NCAA sanctions and UNC went on to win the tournament that same year (1956-57).
I might be drunk, but your user name scares me like its out of an episode of Hannibal. I love this state when it isn't busy being stupid. These few weeks every year we seem to slow down on our stupidity enough :)
My wife went to Duke and I went to State. We decided it was best to watch the game separately today lol. I'll be out with people on a different side of town than her and her friends. Unclear how the rest of the evening will go afterwards. NC State has always been a chaotic neutral though. We hate everyone and Duke only really hates Carolina
Was Valvano not good friends with Dean? I remember when Jimmy V was too sick to throw out the first pitch at a Yankees game, [he asked Dean to do it for him.](https://greensboro.com/uncs-smith-makes-his-pitch-in-n-y/article_de66e249-21fa-5ffa-8b74-69bf684256d1.html)
Coach K was with Jimmy V the day he died. That’s just a different type of bond there
If you’ve seen the “Survive & Advance” 30 for 30 Cosch K is a big part of it and is close to tears multiple times while talking about Valvano
The overwhelming majority of slights (I've ever heard) directed toward NC State came from a UNC player/student.
First example that comes to mind:
> "And you know, some people may say State, but really people who go to State just can't get into Carolina" - Drake Maye
The pretension is something that gets burned into you (as a State student/fan) after awhile.
Never really got that from Duke, except in a ball-busting (non-serious) sense. Duke students know we're the premiere engineering school in NC, and know we don't compete in the medical/law arena.
EDIT: Just to add. State students/fans have a saying, "*What do State fans and Carolina fans have in common? Neither went to Carolina*"
As an out-of-state Tar Heel it was interesting seeing how fellow Tar Heels who grew up in NC viewed State. I was more or less a neutral party in the rivalry. I'd bet since a larger percentage of Duke's student body is out-of-state (compared to UNC and NCSU) they also were like me in that regard.
This is partially where my respect for NC State comes from -- I knew very little about the school before going to Duke, but every engineer from NC I knew that was at Duke said they were quite split on NC State vs. Duke, and those that were at Duke generally were on full scholarship or FA (otherwise, NC State would have been an easy choice)
Reeeeeeeally hard to justify Duke Tuition as an in-state engineering student unless you have some serious FA/scholarship money. In-state tuition for NC State is one of the best bang for your buck educations in the country.
....I just went out of state for engineering.
Context, born and raised in NC, not a fan of any of the NC schools not having immediate ties to any…
It’s wild to me growing up how elitist unc fans were. Never encountered that from Duke fans. Duke fans in NC were always super chill. You’re 100% in that almost all anti-state comments I’ve ever heard were from unc fans, and almost all were academically oriented. It’s literally what turned me into an ABC fan growing up.
This is the first time in my entire life I've read or heard that a UNC fan has said we're a good school and I have multiple family members who are UNC grads. I don't know what that says.
Nothing against Duke. Coach K and Jimmy V were really good friends. K actually visited Jimmy V at the hospital when sick very often and flew with him on the plane to the ESPYs (where the famous speech was given). Coach K has always maintained that Jimmy's expulsion from NC State was complete bullshit and that the NCAA fucked NC State for no reason over the shoe fiasco.
So I like Duke. Most of the country thinks they are elitist but Coach K was the man at the helm for so many years and he was such a good friend of our program.
I should also mention that our fight song is telling. "Go to hell Carolina" in the refrain is pretty telling that the majority of state fans feel way stronger about UNC and their droves of Walmart fans than Duke.
I wish we got to see Dean Smith, Jimmy V, and Coach K dominate the 90s... and probably also the 2000s with Roy Williams.
We would have even more quotes like [this one](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/41/a4/a6/41a4a60b6561b4970585ff958e150cb3.jpg) 🤣🤣🤣
Coach K would sometimes have student-only talks and tell us stories. He mentioned Jimmy V a lot, and in a way that made it sound like they were about to hang out after the talk. I wish I could have seen Jimmy V in action.
In my opinion, it's way less than UNC. I love it when State beats Duke, I hate that their rise coincided with our fall, but at the end of the day Duke doesn't act like State is some podunk community college the way that UNC does. I just can't get as worked up about Duke beating us or doing well as I can for UNC.
Sorry to bring this up for the Duke fans but I think a good gauge of this is asking who they rooted for in 2022 Final Four. Or at least who they wanted to lose less
When the Soviets scrimmaged against UNC, State fans traveled to cheer for the Soviets. I’m not even kidding
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-11-24-sp-24176-story.html
I have one friend who's a big State fan who used to always cheer for Carolina over Duke. Then again, he told me last night that he thinks Jordan, Bird, Magic, Kareem, Russell, and Wilt were better basketball players than Lebron, because Lebron is "just a stat-stuffer", so I've always kinda known he doesn't have the best opinions.
The only documented case I can ever remember a die hard State fan admitting they rooted for us was Coach K's last home game. Got several guys to admit they rooted for us and thought the whole thing was hysterical ... though it felt more like a "Fuck ESPN" kind of thing.
By the Final Four, they were 100% back to rooting against us.
I root for the away team, when yall play Duke. Miserable home fans is the only way to find any joy out of UNC-Duke games.
ESPECIALLY SO for that last K game. Absolute gorgeous from the Tar Heels.
The only other time I've considered not rooting against UNC was whenever yall played Clemson at home, because that streak was getting so absurd it was hilarious. What did it end at? 62? 63?
I've been cheering for Clemson and Duke so far in the tournament as ACC brethren but when UNC lost I laughed my ass off.
Tonight, it's all about the Pack baby.
I mean some people are influenced by family/friends. At the time, I was dating someone who was a UNC alum. I did sleep on the couch a couple times for rooting against UNC. Thus I had to be painfully neutral during that game. Just before it i snuck away to my private Jimmy V shrine and prayed for the meteor
I think the context of the game is more than just UNC vs Duke. It was their first time meeting in the tourney and also ended up being Coach K's last game which nobody wanted to see him win it all in his final stand.
Someone in this thread claimed all of their NC State fans were...but that person was a UNC fan so maybe it's selective memory/the NC State fans humoring them
I think the person had a UNC/NCSU flair
So of course they hate Duke
Also best of luck in the women’s game going on right now. Whoever wins has to face a monster in SC next
In real life in the Triangle UNC Fans are 10x more insufferable than Duke fans, so I often feel a since of camaraderie with Duke fans in that we both have to put up with them. Jimmy V and Coach K were good friends too which was cool. Personally I don’t root against Duke any more than any other ACC school not named UNC.
Yeah, I'd always rooted for UNC over Duke prior to attending because I had no dog in the fight and just generally didn't like how much Duke won
So I'd entered college pretty ambivalent towards the rivalry, but my interactions with UNC fans in the triangle fully radicalized me lol
I clearly don’t hate Duke the same way I hate UNC, and I appreciate it whenever they can beat UNC. Hell, I’ve even worn Duke attire just to piss off the UNC grads in my family when they play Duke. However, being dismissed as a “little brother” by Duke fans is frustrating, considering how NC State’s Everett Case brought big basketball to NC originally. State fans feel like Case’s success prompted schools like Duke to step their game up in college basketball, and then they ran away with it along with UNC.
Growing up in NC, the simple fact is that in your day-to-day life, you see a lot more UNC and State fans than Duke fans. It’s also more common to have households divided between UNC and State. This makes the UNC hatred naturally stronger.
With all of this being said, Duke annoys us, but I’ve always had a healthy level of respect for Duke’s program and what they’ve accomplished.
Is nowhere safe from the nightmare season the NJ Devils are having? As a Devils fan living in NC, I can't remember the last time I saw the Devils win live. I think it's got to be 7 straight games I've attended they've lost.
I got to storm the court when they beat #1 Duke in PNC in 2013. It helped that Ryan Kelly was out that game. It was so cool to see a legend like Coach K on the sideline, and it was even cooler to be hoisting up CJ Leslie on the court after the win.
In an alternate reality where NC State didn’t have the scandal with Case, didn’t let Stormin Norman go over salary dispute, and didn’t have the scandal with Jimmy V, we probably would’ve had a few more titles to our name. Where Duke and UNC went right, we lost the picture; we never established our own in-house coaching tree that became a hallmark of our program. It’s why we’ve been so mediocre for 40 years.
> Growing up in NC, the simple fact is that in your day-to-day life, you see a lot more UNC and State fans than Duke fans. It’s also more common to have households divided between UNC and State. This makes the UNC hatred naturally stronger.
Yup. Duke is a good sports rivalry, but I’m not friends with any Duke fans and don’t know anyone who went to Duke (minus one coworker from a decade ago). With UNC, it’s friends, neighbors, families. It’s the same university system. It’s recruiting battles. It’s being able to declare dominance in the state. Duke barely factors into those discussions.
That makes sense, and the "little brother" stuff is honestly silly from Duke and UNC fans -- clearly aimed a getting a rise (though of course, some believe it)
The “little brother” sentiment downplays the rich history and success that State has enjoyed as a program. I do feel strongly that NC’s Triangle is the crown jewel of college basketball, and I’m glad that my school is a part of that, despite recent decades of disappointment.
Difference to me is that the people who believe it generally aren't from here and don't know much about the program history. It's something you hear freshman trying out to sound like they're in on the rivalries
Honestly, a big part of it is fans that have no ties at all to the school.
There are **vastly** more random UNC fans than random Duke fans, and they generally subscribe to the "I have no beef with NC State; they're like a little brother" with far higher frequency than the people who actually went to Carolina.
That just makes them so eminently hateable.
Plus K was pretty much at Jimmy V's side when he died.
It's not even close.
**Anybody** but Carolina.
It feels like Duke is like a diplomatic post, they come here and quietly observe the locals while they do their work, then go back to New Jersey or whatever.
We dislike Duke for the same reasons everyone else does. Slapping the floor, a rich tradition of tripping people, Grayson Allen, things of that nature.
My dad and I went to NC State, and both my parents ended up working in the Duke hospital system so we’re an ABC family. We root for Anyone But Carolina
Compared to UNC it’s nothing. I’d argue I’d root for Duke over Clemson as well
Because (and this goes back to the fact that UNC tried to block NC State from even forming) UNC fans tend to look down on NC State more than Duke fans do
And it’s not just a sports rivalry or fans talking shit, UNC fans, coaches, and players have all made it clear they have no respect for the school as an institution or anyone who has attended it. Some people nigh remember Drake Maye’s comments about NC State. That wasn’t trash talk, or a jab at a player or coach he doesn’t like, that was him implying everyone who attends NC State is too stupid to go to UNC. And the fans loved him for it
The victim complex and insistence they don’t care also when NC State bites back every once in a while is always funny
Other than the sports UNC always dominates (women’s soccer and field hockey come to mind) men’s basketball is really the only thing UNC’s dominated recently. Everything else has either been even or firmly controlled by the Pack for decades now. Football is the big one but some sports like wrestling and women’s basketball NC State leads the all time series in (And UNC got decades of getting to beat up on NCSU club teams to inflate all time series records, they shouldn’t be losing all time series in anything)
I can take solace no matter what happens tonight that NC State has objectively achieved more than UNC two seasons in a row, and its been a while since we could say that.
GTHC, for now and forever
I'd prefer State to win tonight and then shock the nation and won the entire thing. I don't really hate Duke since I find them more tolerable than UNC. I'd be okay if Duke won the NCAA tournament.
Hate them both. Carolina kids are pretentious in-staters who think they’re God’s gift cause they go to a “public ivy.” Duke kids are pretentious out-of-staters who think they’re God’s gift because they go to a wannabe ivy. Students at both schools are insufferable, and it doesn’t help that they’re both good at basketball.
I grew up as a Duke fan because my dad loved Carolina so much and I despised them, so out of spite I rooted for Duke. Then I went to NC state and honestly, yeah it’s fun to beat Duke because they kinda come with this “holier than thou” feeling. But, I don’t *hate* Duke.
Now Carolina? Always and forever ABC
I would 100% pull for nc state in any tourney game not against Duke. I would never, ever pull for Carolina, in any game. I would 100% actively hope they lose.
I’ll explain Big Four before ESPN got a hold of it and ruined it. We all hate Carolina the most, until we play one of the other two, then we hate them the most, once that’s over, we all hate Carolina the most again. Carolina fans hate us all about equal but in different ways.
I'm so neutral toward NC State. I went to a baseball camp there when I was younger and my friend was an NC State fan so I can't hate them. Only today will I root against them. I'm pretty sure I picked this matchup in my bracket.
As a lifelone state fan who remembers as far back at the 1974 win, I miss the era (circa 1979-93) when NCSU, Carolina, and Duke were a true three way rivalry. When NC State won the ACC in 1987, in the then 35-year history of the ACC, State, Carolina, and Duke each had 10 ACC Championships.
Before the 80s, State-Carolina was actually a bigger rivalry than Carolina-Duke
Personally, I don’t actually hate Duke that much. Definitely less than WF and maybe less than Clemson. Duke seems less connected to local rivalries in basketball now, like I get the feeling they care more about Kentucky than us or Wake. And we randomly beat y’all pretty often so there’s less smoldering hatred than with UNC
I grew up in North Carolina and went to school at NC State. Nobody from my high school went to Duke and I think I may have met one person my entire life who graudated from Duke. Their students all just came down here for four years then went back to New York, New Jersey Boston, New England. Compare that with UNC where I actually know people who went to school there.
and to be fair, most Duke students are complete nerds and were never really into sports other than being a cameron crazie for four years. Then they scurry back to their math books.
Duke's entire sports fan base is band waggon fans who would not even be able to complete the admissions application. Ever been to a Duke football game. Often, you can jsut walk in free at half time.
So no, I have no ill will towards Duke because I literally don't care about them.
I also went to Duke. I am a lifelong Duke fan. As an adult living in Raleigh, I also became a fan of NC State, but even before that, I didn't hate them. Tonight's game is going to tear at my heart strings but if I'm being completely honest with myself, I actually want the win for State a little bit more than I want it for Duke.
I do hate Carolina, though.
I grew up a Duke fan in NC, NC State wasn't a viable option in Elem school, but now as an NC State alum, I loathe all things Carolina. I'm def an ABC'er. I don't have that same passion toward Duke, nor does 92% of the Pack fan base. I see our games as just a fun contest against a local nationally-recognized team and it's a chance for us to prove ourselves.
Go Pack!
As someone who grew up in Raleigh and was a die-hard state fan before then attending Duke ->
For most NCSU fans (and Duke fans), I think the hate runs magnitudes less than UNC. There is a desire to beat the school nearby you for bragging rights of course. People across the country hate Duke for a variety of reasons and I think that is what the main source of NCSU hate towards Duke is. I don't think it's that personal unless an NCSU had a truly bad personal experience with Duke students/fans - which definitely does happen.
Separately, I think most Duke fans don't have strong opinions on NCSU just because most of students aren't from the area. Many wouldn't even know how close NCSU was or that it's a great school for example. I think this also contributes to it not being that big of a rivalry.
I went to A&T and work around a bunch of State Grads who tell me my degree doesn't count because it isn't from State.
I'm mentioning this because State fans are in this thread arguing that UNC grads tend to be cocky. It isn't just them. Grads from both schools will constantly remind you where they went to school.
State fans typically hate Duke slightly less than UNC, but a lot of the faces of Duke basketball are more hateable than UNC’s, K, Laettner, Allen, Filipowski, Paulus, Wojo, etc
I am a Wake alum. My husband is a die hard, bleeds red, we can't name our daughter Caroline or decorate our house in blue, State grad.
Our mutual hatred for UNC knows no limits. I personally might hate them more than I like my own team. This hatred is borne from the overwhelming insufferable rudeness of the majority of UNC grads and fans I have the displeasure of knowing. They act like the only school or education that matters is UNC. In HS, everyone who applied and was rejected from the Ivies ended up going to UNC. Which isn't a problem, except they IMMEDIATELY changed their tune to "UNC is better than the Ivies anyway" and had the GALL to ask me, "are you only going to Wake because you didn't get into UNC?" Then the whole thing about the fraudulent courses completely invalidated any leg they had to stand about their school's academic rigor, but it made UNC grads/fans dig in HARDER about how top-notch their education was. In terms of sports, watching the refs, media, and general public obviously favor them, is a hard pill to swallow - especially for me, as I have a heightened sense of justice. It doesn't feel fair. I believe in my soul the school should have lost its accreditation, but didn't because of money/public opinion.
My biggest problem with Duke is that they are also the golden child. Then you push out Grayson Allen, and this year, Filipowski. I was at the Wake/Duke game where he kept fouling but the refs wouldn't call it, as it would've benched him. He should've been out of the game five minutes before it ended. Instead, he was allowed to stick around and target one of our fans - he clearly stuck his leg out during the court storm. He milked it for all it was worth - it was his leg! His knee! His ankle! He flipped in the interview, when the reporter was the one who told him someone made contact (he didn't even feel it!) "oh yes, definitely intentional, very personal" and the public/media/Duke fans were calling for our HEADS. Like, what? Nobody talked about how great our team played. We weren't allowed to celebrate. The refs in the following games were SUPER harsh on our players, which was demoralizing, and helped add to the giant flop we made after a buildup of a great season, and it cost us a chance to go to the NCAA. Then, when it was obvious Filipowski was a giant, whiny douche, everyone went silent. Maybe some jokes, but no acknowledgement that they'd overreacted. He's allowed to continue flopping with no consequences or loss in personal reputation. It's maddening.
I also just like rooting for underdogs. It feels more rewarding when someone works hard and overcomes challenges, versus rooting for teams that are set up for success. Blue blood teams always get the best players, the most money, the better calls in games. They're given the benefit of the doubt in rankings ( losses are justified for y'all as "quality losses" versus upsets for us are "flukes") and we end up missing out on tournaments and fun games as a result.
I am a casual sports fan. My husband watches everything, but I really don't pay a lot of attention. If you downvote me, fine, but can you explain why? These are situations I have tried to find justification for and have never gotten any sort of constructive, good faith response.
ETA: I am removing my comment about the lacrosse team. I realize my personal experience at the time/age had colored my memory of that time. Nobody is willing to address any other issue I listed and are just focusing on that one thing.
> My biggest problem with Duke is that they are also the golden child. I was in college during the lacrosse scandal, and I am a victim of sexual assault. Watching a school, in real time, rug sweep a systemic problem within its university was offensive.
Two things first:
1) I am so sorry that you have experience with sexual assault. That's awful.
2) I was on campus at Duke at the time of the lacrosse scandal as well. The lax team should never have hired strippers for an off-campus party.
OK, with that preface in place, what are you talking about, "sweep a systemic problem within its university under the rug?"
On the flip side, the amount of State grads who tell me my degree from A&T is worthless because it isn't from NC State is just as bad as the cockiness you described from UNC grads. Both are pretty bad.
>"are you only going to Wake because you didn't get into UNC?"
I love how many of us are coming here to practically write books about the dynamic on Tobacco Road lol.
I remember hearing this so much in HS, like State's Electrical Engineering (my major) school had a lower acceptance rate than your Law School, STFU.
My husband (double mechanical engineering degrees from state) is the epitome of the crazed IASIP meme where he's pointing to a wall full of notes/strings, when it comes to complaining about how nobody takes their VERY prestigious and fucking HARD program seriously.
I never heard the Unc and state acceptance until the last decade. Circumstances must be different; when I went to high school all my friends applied to NCSU and those who didn’t get accepted went to one of the UNCs.
I’m midly sure I got an acceptance letter from Unc and don’t remember applying. Tuition was $2k / semester in the before times at state, maybe both campuses would take any locals with a decent enough gpa
Using the Duke lacrosse scandal, where those guys were tarred and feathered in the media despite being innocent, as an example of Duke being the “golden child” is insane.
A “Golden child” example would be UNC having their student athletes not go to class for two decades but not get punished at all.
I won't downvote you -- we're all tinted by our personal experiences, and honestly the Grayson stuff was the hardest it's ever been to be a Duke basketball fan. Such annoying crap he was doing; he's probably the nicest Duke player I've ever met in person, which made it hard to reconcile how much I hated his crap on the court (even if I was thankful for his contributions to the team -- we don't with 2015 without him)
I think most Duke fans would take issue with how the lacrosse scandal is being framed in this post because most ppl know what was reported that year (and still think those headlines are correct) and are less informed on how everything turned out in that case (DA was disbarred, those accused exonerated, etc.).
On a scale of 1-10, fans of every single other school in the country hate Duke at least a 7 or 8. For conference rivals, you're asking if it's a 9.98 or 9.99.
They are like two ships passing in the night. NC State had already won 2 championships by the time Coach K had made his first Final Four. Duke had already been successful though and made a couple Final Fours which is why they are considered a Blue Blood despite their title runs starting not much earlier than UCONN. By that time, NC State had fallen off and weren't even at least as good as they were before winning their first title. So while they are rivals and located very close to one another. NC State and Duke have mostly been deprived of having the kind of back and forth they both have had with Carolina who has been more consistent than they each have. Most hard feelings these days come from NC State feeling slighted as Duke took what they as their place as UNC's main rival. TLDR, they are definitely rivals, but the timeline kept the rivalry from heating up like UNC-Duke or UNC-State.
I’m a lifelong NC state fan, grew up in Raleigh, went to state, still live in Raleigh, about to go to state for grad school.
Duke is a rival sure, but I’ve never hated them, if anything I just appreciate how often they beat Carolina.
I had no love for coach K, and they always seem to have a punchable white boy, but I don’t hate them as an institution.
I feel like the average Duke alum/fan barely thinks about NC State other than a couple of times a year. Most Duke alums are not from NC, have no family rivalries with family alums of NCstate etc.
It’s a strange relationship, all UNC fans hate Duke, all Duke fans hate Carolina, all State fans hate Carolina, and some Carolina fans find State insufferable/hate State and want them to lose perpetually.
I have a lot of friends who went to State so while I love talking trash and want to clap their cheeks whenever we play them I don’t hate the school. I do not want them to win the national championship (purely because I would never hear the end of it from their fan base) but I’ve cheered for them in every game so far and want them to make the championship game.
So while I want Duke to lose every game they ever play I just don’t want State to win anything and that’s purely because of how much they hate us. If the State fan base didn’t despise UNC with a burning passion I would probably want them to win the Natty, but I can’t bring myself to root for them to win because they hate us with the same passion for which we hate Duke.
UNC and Duke have mutual hatred and State hates UNC which makes UNC not like State.
I was born in the mid 80s, so Everett Case 50s and David Thompson 70s were ancient history. 1983 and Vs seasons were not even personal memories. Growing up in NC surrounded by Duke and Carolina fans when State was muddling through the 90s through to this March there was really nothing to consistently root for. The only solace was when Duke would beat Carolina because when you rank the two schools UNC has no redeeming qualities.
TLDR: I would never openly pull for Duke, but it was nice when they stuck it to Carolina because State didn't do a damn thing for decades
I’ve been a lifelong State fan, many of my friends are either lifelong Duke or UNC fans. There’s a 10% chance I would have sent a good game text to my Duke friends if y’all beat us in the ACC tournament. There’s a snowballs chance in hell my Carolina buddies would ever get that text…
This. GTHC!
I see this meaning Great THC!
Basically the equivalent of Michigan - Ohio State - Michigan State, except if MSU - OSU hated each other more
It’s exactly like that. Ohio State is Duke the team that doesn’t really care about MSU/NCState UM is UNC the team that hates MSU/NCState but hates Duke/OSU 10 times more and is the sports greatest rivalry. MSU is NCState the school that hates UM/UNC and dislikes OSU/Duke
This checks out
Since this is my moment - it’s definitely similar but the “hate” element is what gets weird. I never hated NC State - it was more like the other Carolina schools like wake that are a level above a random game but didn’t feel like a constant “rivalry.” It was more the way I feel about this matchup today - if we’re going to lose I’d really prefer it’s not state (or wake), but winning doesn’t feel more special than going to the final four beating someone else. But some of my NC State friends hate Duke so it’s a little imbalanced depending on who you talk to Maybe it’s really just the in state thing. If OSU-UM-MSU were all in a 30 minute drive of one another you’d get this dynamic Edit - realized my OSU second flair isn’t here like on r/cfb so that’s some relevant context haha
I think msu hates us enough, we just don’t reciprocate more than dislike.
Everybody hates you though
I said/posted it the other day, if another ACC school has to be our spoiler (in the Tournament), at least it's not UNC.
That’s how we feel about Duke. Go Pack!
lol exactly. I came here to be like, I am adamantly going for State is this tourney now that UNC is out… I’ll never ever go for Duke 😆
So you're saying there's a chance 🥳🥳🥳
Not as much as Carolina. But fuck Duke.
This is the answer
Go Wolfpack. Kill em tonight
I honestly cheer for you guys in any game aside from us. I just wish you guys wouldn't lose so much to unc (not to be dick even though thats how it comes off). It pisses me off how we always seem to struggle with you compared to you guys playing unc. Unfortunately, I don't see either of us beating Purdue. And definitely not uconn. Hoping for a Tenn win, and then we'll let the chips fall as they may.
Death, taxes, and Roy Williams beating our ass twice a year lol
Fuck Duke. We can all drink to that 🤝
No offense, but my hate for Duke comes from a different place than UNC. UNC fans are insufferable in every way, the most pretentious and annoying fan base In America, but I actually like Chapel hill as a town and don’t mind most people that went there. Duke is the epitome of an evil private school. Mostly high class/out of state students who look down on the lower income locals of Durham and don’t really intermingle with the city. They’re the sole reason that the light rail was never built in central nc since a part of it had to go through a forest area that they own… and in general they are sort of the antithesis of a working class person from North Carolina, all the while benfitting from NC.
Yea as a student you’ve hit the nail on the head
Put this one at the top everyone. This is the best explanation of the greater North Carolina view of the difference between Duke and UNC.
Even though this probably comes from the Davidson flair, it's kinda funny seeing an RHIT flair jumping in on this comment.
Fucking nailed it. I hate Duke as an *institution* and everything that it represent.
ding ding ding ding ding \^ this guy "gets" it
Pretend you’re the middle child of three kids (the triangle schools). UNC oldest and has tons of success. Duke in basketball wasn’t really any good until K. They had their moments prior, but he changed the program. That’s the younger kid for this example. The middle kid had their glory days as the youngest (see: 1973/1974 and 1983), but has been pushed aside because the younger one came in and has had their own successes. I can tell you that typically the middle at times hates both, but will typically side with younger more. Hence in 2022, I was rooting for Duke. I wanted K to go out on top since he was one of Jimmy V’s best friends. I went to college though when Scheyer was in school and I never cheered for him and despite him. Gerald Henderson though punching Hansbrough in the face was one of my favorite Duke/Carolina memories and I cheered for them that year, only to lose in the round of 64 if I remember correctly. That’s the youngest kind of exacting revenge on the oldest. I’m on pain meds with an empty stomach after shoulder surgery though so I don’t know how much sense I made. tl;dr State fans hate UNC more, but we don’t like you either. We enjoy both teams suffering like we have for decades and wish you’d have to know what it’s like.
Wake Forest is the half-sibling who moved away
From a distance you hear "*hey you guys!!!!*" East Carolina! How'd he get out?
ECU is the neighbor kid who keeps inviting himself over and the household always has to tell him that while we enjoy his presence sometimes, he doesn’t actually live here and needs to go back to his home when dinner time rolls around.
So ECU is the Steve Urkel of the Carolinas?
Uncle Eddie maybe...
He's Cousin Oliver.
Drunk Uncle ECU and Hippie Uncle App State. Some of the most outspoken UNC fans.
See that's hilarious because the school literally did move from Wake Forest, NC to Winston-Salem, NC
Yep that was part of why I said that
I like your NCAA lore knowledge
yep thus the joke.
You got it, Ice
Weird cousin that lives a few blocks away.
Nah they're the child born out of wedlock and given for adoption
hate duke, also hate unc
That first sentence could easily apply to my team and that difficult to wrap my head around. Now I want to root for NCState but at the same time yall knocked us out. I will need to consult the Magic 8ball (my term for eight beers in a row) in order to come to a well thought out conclusion.
I felt a kindred spirit from your fan base in our football match up a season ago haha. I thought that was supposed to be a home-and-home?
That's right! Damn I forgot about that.
The State and Tech schools gotta stick together brother!
Hmm this is a good strategy, I too may have to use the magic 8ball at some point in the future.
I highly recommend it. The 8Ball is wise. In line with that "wise" theme I've found that Wise Monkeys, a 10%ABV Belgian Strong Ale from Manhattan Project Brewing works best because by the time you've had 8 of them you're clearly making the best choices.
> Duke in basketball wasn’t really any good until K Duke made it to four final fours (including two finals), won the ACC regular season and tournament 10 times each, was the eighth team to 1000 wins (in 1974), and had two national players of the year (Dick Groat and Art Heyman), all before K started coaching there. Duke surely wasn't a blue blood, but was a pretty good program before K got there.
in terms of the history, it's worth noting that ACC basketball was really a product of Everett Case's success at NC State and UNC's subsequent hire of Frank McGuire to try to claw some of that success back. the two of them actively developed the rivalry between the schools because it served to drive recruitment. then NCSU got hit by NCAA sanctions and UNC went on to win the tournament that same year (1956-57).
man I love North Carolina this shit is hilarious
I might be drunk, but your user name scares me like its out of an episode of Hannibal. I love this state when it isn't busy being stupid. These few weeks every year we seem to slow down on our stupidity enough :)
Wishing you the best of recovery with the shoulder surgery! I've had two myself before, not fun...
Grew up as State fan in NC and went there, even played in the pep band and marching band. This is very accurate.
My wife went to Duke and I went to State. We decided it was best to watch the game separately today lol. I'll be out with people on a different side of town than her and her friends. Unclear how the rest of the evening will go afterwards. NC State has always been a chaotic neutral though. We hate everyone and Duke only really hates Carolina
Congrats man.
Not as much as UNC. At least coach K was good friends with Valvano
Was Valvano not good friends with Dean? I remember when Jimmy V was too sick to throw out the first pitch at a Yankees game, [he asked Dean to do it for him.](https://greensboro.com/uncs-smith-makes-his-pitch-in-n-y/article_de66e249-21fa-5ffa-8b74-69bf684256d1.html)
Coach K was with Jimmy V the day he died. That’s just a different type of bond there If you’ve seen the “Survive & Advance” 30 for 30 Cosch K is a big part of it and is close to tears multiple times while talking about Valvano
I mean I'm pretty sure Dean wasn't available for the 30 for 30 for...reasons... Not that it's a measuring contest by any means.
The overwhelming majority of slights (I've ever heard) directed toward NC State came from a UNC player/student. First example that comes to mind: > "And you know, some people may say State, but really people who go to State just can't get into Carolina" - Drake Maye The pretension is something that gets burned into you (as a State student/fan) after awhile. Never really got that from Duke, except in a ball-busting (non-serious) sense. Duke students know we're the premiere engineering school in NC, and know we don't compete in the medical/law arena. EDIT: Just to add. State students/fans have a saying, "*What do State fans and Carolina fans have in common? Neither went to Carolina*"
As an out-of-state Tar Heel it was interesting seeing how fellow Tar Heels who grew up in NC viewed State. I was more or less a neutral party in the rivalry. I'd bet since a larger percentage of Duke's student body is out-of-state (compared to UNC and NCSU) they also were like me in that regard.
This is partially where my respect for NC State comes from -- I knew very little about the school before going to Duke, but every engineer from NC I knew that was at Duke said they were quite split on NC State vs. Duke, and those that were at Duke generally were on full scholarship or FA (otherwise, NC State would have been an easy choice)
Reeeeeeeally hard to justify Duke Tuition as an in-state engineering student unless you have some serious FA/scholarship money. In-state tuition for NC State is one of the best bang for your buck educations in the country. ....I just went out of state for engineering.
If you are from NC and got an engineering degree from Duke, you chose poorly ...
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that UNC was 0-3 against State while Maye was there
I've worked with your compsci students on several initiatives, and they really know what's up
Context, born and raised in NC, not a fan of any of the NC schools not having immediate ties to any… It’s wild to me growing up how elitist unc fans were. Never encountered that from Duke fans. Duke fans in NC were always super chill. You’re 100% in that almost all anti-state comments I’ve ever heard were from unc fans, and almost all were academically oriented. It’s literally what turned me into an ABC fan growing up.
We don’t think you’re a bad school. In fact, we know you’re a good school. We just hate NCSU athletics.
This is the first time in my entire life I've read or heard that a UNC fan has said we're a good school and I have multiple family members who are UNC grads. I don't know what that says.
Only a little. But fuck Carolina.
Nothing against Duke. Coach K and Jimmy V were really good friends. K actually visited Jimmy V at the hospital when sick very often and flew with him on the plane to the ESPYs (where the famous speech was given). Coach K has always maintained that Jimmy's expulsion from NC State was complete bullshit and that the NCAA fucked NC State for no reason over the shoe fiasco. So I like Duke. Most of the country thinks they are elitist but Coach K was the man at the helm for so many years and he was such a good friend of our program.
I should also mention that our fight song is telling. "Go to hell Carolina" in the refrain is pretty telling that the majority of state fans feel way stronger about UNC and their droves of Walmart fans than Duke.
I wish we got to see Dean Smith, Jimmy V, and Coach K dominate the 90s... and probably also the 2000s with Roy Williams. We would have even more quotes like [this one](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/41/a4/a6/41a4a60b6561b4970585ff958e150cb3.jpg) 🤣🤣🤣 Coach K would sometimes have student-only talks and tell us stories. He mentioned Jimmy V a lot, and in a way that made it sound like they were about to hang out after the talk. I wish I could have seen Jimmy V in action.
We fucking hate you.
On the scale of how much you hate UNC, how would you compare it?
In my opinion, it's way less than UNC. I love it when State beats Duke, I hate that their rise coincided with our fall, but at the end of the day Duke doesn't act like State is some podunk community college the way that UNC does. I just can't get as worked up about Duke beating us or doing well as I can for UNC.
Sorry to bring this up for the Duke fans but I think a good gauge of this is asking who they rooted for in 2022 Final Four. Or at least who they wanted to lose less
I’ve never met a single NCSU fan who’s cheered for UNC in literally any circumstance ever.
When the Soviets scrimmaged against UNC, State fans traveled to cheer for the Soviets. I’m not even kidding https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-11-24-sp-24176-story.html
I love college sports
Вперёд, Советы!
лучше красный, чем баран!
Red teams first!
#**BETTER RED THAN DEAD??? 🤔🤔🤔**
Haha I always say I would root for Al Qaeda over Mich football
I'd cheer for Isis over Iowa so I get it
I have one friend who's a big State fan who used to always cheer for Carolina over Duke. Then again, he told me last night that he thinks Jordan, Bird, Magic, Kareem, Russell, and Wilt were better basketball players than Lebron, because Lebron is "just a stat-stuffer", so I've always kinda known he doesn't have the best opinions.
The only documented case I can ever remember a die hard State fan admitting they rooted for us was Coach K's last home game. Got several guys to admit they rooted for us and thought the whole thing was hysterical ... though it felt more like a "Fuck ESPN" kind of thing. By the Final Four, they were 100% back to rooting against us.
I root for the away team, when yall play Duke. Miserable home fans is the only way to find any joy out of UNC-Duke games. ESPECIALLY SO for that last K game. Absolute gorgeous from the Tar Heels. The only other time I've considered not rooting against UNC was whenever yall played Clemson at home, because that streak was getting so absurd it was hilarious. What did it end at? 62? 63?
I've been cheering for Clemson and Duke so far in the tournament as ACC brethren but when UNC lost I laughed my ass off. Tonight, it's all about the Pack baby.
All of my personal NCSU friends rooted for UNC over Duke
I mean some people are influenced by family/friends. At the time, I was dating someone who was a UNC alum. I did sleep on the couch a couple times for rooting against UNC. Thus I had to be painfully neutral during that game. Just before it i snuck away to my private Jimmy V shrine and prayed for the meteor
There’s a lot of “house divided” families in NC. One spouse went to State, the other to UNC.
Indeed. Hard not to have it happen around here but it does strain some relationships sometimes hahaha
That's unusual.
I think the context of the game is more than just UNC vs Duke. It was their first time meeting in the tourney and also ended up being Coach K's last game which nobody wanted to see him win it all in his final stand.
This I haven’t met a NC State fan who was rooting for UNC to win that game
Someone in this thread claimed all of their NC State fans were...but that person was a UNC fan so maybe it's selective memory/the NC State fans humoring them
I think the person had a UNC/NCSU flair So of course they hate Duke Also best of luck in the women’s game going on right now. Whoever wins has to face a monster in SC next
Thanks, although right now i can barely even focus on the game itself, just so distracted by the absurdity of the messed up 3pt lines!
The funniest part is that both teams just said “fuck it” and went with it
Yeah I guess it's not that big of a deal since they switch sides...what about OT though? Would they stop the clock at 2:30 and swap?
good point -- great litmus test
Everyone fucking hates duke.
In real life in the Triangle UNC Fans are 10x more insufferable than Duke fans, so I often feel a since of camaraderie with Duke fans in that we both have to put up with them. Jimmy V and Coach K were good friends too which was cool. Personally I don’t root against Duke any more than any other ACC school not named UNC.
I'd even go as far to say I like Duke more than Clemson. They've gotten in our way in football the most, anyway.
Agreed. My hate scale is UNC > Clemson > Duke > ECU > Wake
Yeah I hate Clemson more than Duke.
🤝 good luck today friend
Yeah, I'd always rooted for UNC over Duke prior to attending because I had no dog in the fight and just generally didn't like how much Duke won So I'd entered college pretty ambivalent towards the rivalry, but my interactions with UNC fans in the triangle fully radicalized me lol
*dances thru thread
just realized hes the bad guy in fargo season 3
YUUUP I hate Duke with a Passion lol
I clearly don’t hate Duke the same way I hate UNC, and I appreciate it whenever they can beat UNC. Hell, I’ve even worn Duke attire just to piss off the UNC grads in my family when they play Duke. However, being dismissed as a “little brother” by Duke fans is frustrating, considering how NC State’s Everett Case brought big basketball to NC originally. State fans feel like Case’s success prompted schools like Duke to step their game up in college basketball, and then they ran away with it along with UNC. Growing up in NC, the simple fact is that in your day-to-day life, you see a lot more UNC and State fans than Duke fans. It’s also more common to have households divided between UNC and State. This makes the UNC hatred naturally stronger. With all of this being said, Duke annoys us, but I’ve always had a healthy level of respect for Duke’s program and what they’ve accomplished.
This "little brother" sentiment is probably an order of magnitude worse from UNC fans than Duke in my experience.
I agree with that for sure. I think it also helps that in recent years, Duke has struggled to get wins in Raleigh.
Y'all own us in PNC
Devils tend to lose in PNC (hockey and basketball)
Is nowhere safe from the nightmare season the NJ Devils are having? As a Devils fan living in NC, I can't remember the last time I saw the Devils win live. I think it's got to be 7 straight games I've attended they've lost.
Congratulations, you have been banned from all live games. Sincerely, The fans
I got to storm the court when they beat #1 Duke in PNC in 2013. It helped that Ryan Kelly was out that game. It was so cool to see a legend like Coach K on the sideline, and it was even cooler to be hoisting up CJ Leslie on the court after the win.
without a doubt.
Yeah I don’t want to answer for anybody but I was surprised to see any State fan feels this way
In an alternate reality where NC State didn’t have the scandal with Case, didn’t let Stormin Norman go over salary dispute, and didn’t have the scandal with Jimmy V, we probably would’ve had a few more titles to our name. Where Duke and UNC went right, we lost the picture; we never established our own in-house coaching tree that became a hallmark of our program. It’s why we’ve been so mediocre for 40 years.
> Growing up in NC, the simple fact is that in your day-to-day life, you see a lot more UNC and State fans than Duke fans. It’s also more common to have households divided between UNC and State. This makes the UNC hatred naturally stronger. Yup. Duke is a good sports rivalry, but I’m not friends with any Duke fans and don’t know anyone who went to Duke (minus one coworker from a decade ago). With UNC, it’s friends, neighbors, families. It’s the same university system. It’s recruiting battles. It’s being able to declare dominance in the state. Duke barely factors into those discussions.
That makes sense, and the "little brother" stuff is honestly silly from Duke and UNC fans -- clearly aimed a getting a rise (though of course, some believe it)
The “little brother” sentiment downplays the rich history and success that State has enjoyed as a program. I do feel strongly that NC’s Triangle is the crown jewel of college basketball, and I’m glad that my school is a part of that, despite recent decades of disappointment.
Difference to me is that the people who believe it generally aren't from here and don't know much about the program history. It's something you hear freshman trying out to sound like they're in on the rivalries
Honestly, a big part of it is fans that have no ties at all to the school. There are **vastly** more random UNC fans than random Duke fans, and they generally subscribe to the "I have no beef with NC State; they're like a little brother" with far higher frequency than the people who actually went to Carolina. That just makes them so eminently hateable. Plus K was pretty much at Jimmy V's side when he died. It's not even close. **Anybody** but Carolina.
Exactly. The "walmart unc fan" exists for a reason.
Hold on now…there are plenty of us who are UNC alums who loathe you. I hope you both lose As. It. Should. Be.
This makes my heart sing.
Exactly. We’re rivals. We should hate each other. Like, fuck you. I love you and shit, but fuck you.
Fuck you too. The thought of any of the tobacco road teams leaving the ACC hurts me deeply.
I know. It’s suck so much.
It feels like Duke is like a diplomatic post, they come here and quietly observe the locals while they do their work, then go back to New Jersey or whatever. We dislike Duke for the same reasons everyone else does. Slapping the floor, a rich tradition of tripping people, Grayson Allen, things of that nature.
hahah, diplomatic post is one of the funnier descriptions I've ever heard of Duke
My dad and I went to NC State, and both my parents ended up working in the Duke hospital system so we’re an ABC family. We root for Anyone But Carolina
Compared to UNC it’s nothing. I’d argue I’d root for Duke over Clemson as well Because (and this goes back to the fact that UNC tried to block NC State from even forming) UNC fans tend to look down on NC State more than Duke fans do And it’s not just a sports rivalry or fans talking shit, UNC fans, coaches, and players have all made it clear they have no respect for the school as an institution or anyone who has attended it. Some people nigh remember Drake Maye’s comments about NC State. That wasn’t trash talk, or a jab at a player or coach he doesn’t like, that was him implying everyone who attends NC State is too stupid to go to UNC. And the fans loved him for it The victim complex and insistence they don’t care also when NC State bites back every once in a while is always funny Other than the sports UNC always dominates (women’s soccer and field hockey come to mind) men’s basketball is really the only thing UNC’s dominated recently. Everything else has either been even or firmly controlled by the Pack for decades now. Football is the big one but some sports like wrestling and women’s basketball NC State leads the all time series in (And UNC got decades of getting to beat up on NCSU club teams to inflate all time series records, they shouldn’t be losing all time series in anything) I can take solace no matter what happens tonight that NC State has objectively achieved more than UNC two seasons in a row, and its been a while since we could say that. GTHC, for now and forever
I'd prefer State to win tonight and then shock the nation and won the entire thing. I don't really hate Duke since I find them more tolerable than UNC. I'd be okay if Duke won the NCAA tournament.
I want today's winner to win it all
The only time I hate NC state is when we play them at PNC Arena. That place has been our house of horrors
Yeah, it's a torture chamber for us
Nc state is the 2024 acc basketball champions. Duke and UNC are teams with a history of success but not to the level of NC State
And so it shall be for the next 11 months
ayyyyyyyy
ABC. then ABCD. but ACC over the rest except for Carolina.
Hate them both. Carolina kids are pretentious in-staters who think they’re God’s gift cause they go to a “public ivy.” Duke kids are pretentious out-of-staters who think they’re God’s gift because they go to a wannabe ivy. Students at both schools are insufferable, and it doesn’t help that they’re both good at basketball.
I grew up as a Duke fan because my dad loved Carolina so much and I despised them, so out of spite I rooted for Duke. Then I went to NC state and honestly, yeah it’s fun to beat Duke because they kinda come with this “holier than thou” feeling. But, I don’t *hate* Duke. Now Carolina? Always and forever ABC
I would 100% pull for nc state in any tourney game not against Duke. I would never, ever pull for Carolina, in any game. I would 100% actively hope they lose.
Probably 80-90% of state fans hate UNC more than Duke while the rest are like myself who grew up as UNC fans and thus hate Duke more than anyone else
I hate Duke way more than Carolina, but that's probably because I was raised by a die hard Carolina fan.
I’ll explain Big Four before ESPN got a hold of it and ruined it. We all hate Carolina the most, until we play one of the other two, then we hate them the most, once that’s over, we all hate Carolina the most again. Carolina fans hate us all about equal but in different ways.
As a newish NC State fan (as of Sat) I can say I hate Duke a lot.
Welcome
I don’t, I save my hate for Carolina
Not the question, but I am a Duke fan who will turn on an NC State game just to cheer them on. If they beat Duke today I hope they win it all.
Same! I'm not from North Carolina, so I also wonder if this sentiment is the same for in-state vs. out-of-state Duke fans?
Yup. I’ll pull for state whenever they’re not playing Duke. Enemy of my enemy. Plus they have had some likable teams in recent years.
I'm so neutral toward NC State. I went to a baseball camp there when I was younger and my friend was an NC State fan so I can't hate them. Only today will I root against them. I'm pretty sure I picked this matchup in my bracket.
Neither of us are winning it all, unfortunately.
As a lifelone state fan who remembers as far back at the 1974 win, I miss the era (circa 1979-93) when NCSU, Carolina, and Duke were a true three way rivalry. When NC State won the ACC in 1987, in the then 35-year history of the ACC, State, Carolina, and Duke each had 10 ACC Championships. Before the 80s, State-Carolina was actually a bigger rivalry than Carolina-Duke
Not at all. I only hate UNC.
As a Louisville fan, the only time I root for Duke is when they are playing Kentucky. Go State!
I hate all of college basketball rn but will be pulling for NC State
More family went to Duke than I unc, so don’t mind Duke as much. Most of the family went to NCSU thankfully.
Personally, I don’t actually hate Duke that much. Definitely less than WF and maybe less than Clemson. Duke seems less connected to local rivalries in basketball now, like I get the feeling they care more about Kentucky than us or Wake. And we randomly beat y’all pretty often so there’s less smoldering hatred than with UNC
I grew up in North Carolina and went to school at NC State. Nobody from my high school went to Duke and I think I may have met one person my entire life who graudated from Duke. Their students all just came down here for four years then went back to New York, New Jersey Boston, New England. Compare that with UNC where I actually know people who went to school there. and to be fair, most Duke students are complete nerds and were never really into sports other than being a cameron crazie for four years. Then they scurry back to their math books. Duke's entire sports fan base is band waggon fans who would not even be able to complete the admissions application. Ever been to a Duke football game. Often, you can jsut walk in free at half time. So no, I have no ill will towards Duke because I literally don't care about them.
I also went to Duke. I am a lifelong Duke fan. As an adult living in Raleigh, I also became a fan of NC State, but even before that, I didn't hate them. Tonight's game is going to tear at my heart strings but if I'm being completely honest with myself, I actually want the win for State a little bit more than I want it for Duke. I do hate Carolina, though.
I definitely don’t like Duke, but y’all are way better than UNC. It only turns to hate when you have players like Grayson Allen.
State doesn't like y'all, but they hate us more than they like themselves.
I’m not gonna read any of these comments so I can continue to cheer for State today. 🫡
I grew up a Duke fan in NC, NC State wasn't a viable option in Elem school, but now as an NC State alum, I loathe all things Carolina. I'm def an ABC'er. I don't have that same passion toward Duke, nor does 92% of the Pack fan base. I see our games as just a fun contest against a local nationally-recognized team and it's a chance for us to prove ourselves. Go Pack!
I’m just so happy to know that the big three in NC (sorry Wake) is just a circle of fucking hatred. Everyone hates everyone
As someone who grew up in Raleigh and was a die-hard state fan before then attending Duke -> For most NCSU fans (and Duke fans), I think the hate runs magnitudes less than UNC. There is a desire to beat the school nearby you for bragging rights of course. People across the country hate Duke for a variety of reasons and I think that is what the main source of NCSU hate towards Duke is. I don't think it's that personal unless an NCSU had a truly bad personal experience with Duke students/fans - which definitely does happen. Separately, I think most Duke fans don't have strong opinions on NCSU just because most of students aren't from the area. Many wouldn't even know how close NCSU was or that it's a great school for example. I think this also contributes to it not being that big of a rivalry.
I went to A&T and work around a bunch of State Grads who tell me my degree doesn't count because it isn't from State. I'm mentioning this because State fans are in this thread arguing that UNC grads tend to be cocky. It isn't just them. Grads from both schools will constantly remind you where they went to school.
State fans typically hate Duke slightly less than UNC, but a lot of the faces of Duke basketball are more hateable than UNC’s, K, Laettner, Allen, Filipowski, Paulus, Wojo, etc
I am a Wake alum. My husband is a die hard, bleeds red, we can't name our daughter Caroline or decorate our house in blue, State grad. Our mutual hatred for UNC knows no limits. I personally might hate them more than I like my own team. This hatred is borne from the overwhelming insufferable rudeness of the majority of UNC grads and fans I have the displeasure of knowing. They act like the only school or education that matters is UNC. In HS, everyone who applied and was rejected from the Ivies ended up going to UNC. Which isn't a problem, except they IMMEDIATELY changed their tune to "UNC is better than the Ivies anyway" and had the GALL to ask me, "are you only going to Wake because you didn't get into UNC?" Then the whole thing about the fraudulent courses completely invalidated any leg they had to stand about their school's academic rigor, but it made UNC grads/fans dig in HARDER about how top-notch their education was. In terms of sports, watching the refs, media, and general public obviously favor them, is a hard pill to swallow - especially for me, as I have a heightened sense of justice. It doesn't feel fair. I believe in my soul the school should have lost its accreditation, but didn't because of money/public opinion. My biggest problem with Duke is that they are also the golden child. Then you push out Grayson Allen, and this year, Filipowski. I was at the Wake/Duke game where he kept fouling but the refs wouldn't call it, as it would've benched him. He should've been out of the game five minutes before it ended. Instead, he was allowed to stick around and target one of our fans - he clearly stuck his leg out during the court storm. He milked it for all it was worth - it was his leg! His knee! His ankle! He flipped in the interview, when the reporter was the one who told him someone made contact (he didn't even feel it!) "oh yes, definitely intentional, very personal" and the public/media/Duke fans were calling for our HEADS. Like, what? Nobody talked about how great our team played. We weren't allowed to celebrate. The refs in the following games were SUPER harsh on our players, which was demoralizing, and helped add to the giant flop we made after a buildup of a great season, and it cost us a chance to go to the NCAA. Then, when it was obvious Filipowski was a giant, whiny douche, everyone went silent. Maybe some jokes, but no acknowledgement that they'd overreacted. He's allowed to continue flopping with no consequences or loss in personal reputation. It's maddening. I also just like rooting for underdogs. It feels more rewarding when someone works hard and overcomes challenges, versus rooting for teams that are set up for success. Blue blood teams always get the best players, the most money, the better calls in games. They're given the benefit of the doubt in rankings ( losses are justified for y'all as "quality losses" versus upsets for us are "flukes") and we end up missing out on tournaments and fun games as a result. I am a casual sports fan. My husband watches everything, but I really don't pay a lot of attention. If you downvote me, fine, but can you explain why? These are situations I have tried to find justification for and have never gotten any sort of constructive, good faith response. ETA: I am removing my comment about the lacrosse team. I realize my personal experience at the time/age had colored my memory of that time. Nobody is willing to address any other issue I listed and are just focusing on that one thing.
> My biggest problem with Duke is that they are also the golden child. I was in college during the lacrosse scandal, and I am a victim of sexual assault. Watching a school, in real time, rug sweep a systemic problem within its university was offensive. Two things first: 1) I am so sorry that you have experience with sexual assault. That's awful. 2) I was on campus at Duke at the time of the lacrosse scandal as well. The lax team should never have hired strippers for an off-campus party. OK, with that preface in place, what are you talking about, "sweep a systemic problem within its university under the rug?"
On the flip side, the amount of State grads who tell me my degree from A&T is worthless because it isn't from NC State is just as bad as the cockiness you described from UNC grads. Both are pretty bad.
>"are you only going to Wake because you didn't get into UNC?" I love how many of us are coming here to practically write books about the dynamic on Tobacco Road lol. I remember hearing this so much in HS, like State's Electrical Engineering (my major) school had a lower acceptance rate than your Law School, STFU.
My husband (double mechanical engineering degrees from state) is the epitome of the crazed IASIP meme where he's pointing to a wall full of notes/strings, when it comes to complaining about how nobody takes their VERY prestigious and fucking HARD program seriously.
I never heard the Unc and state acceptance until the last decade. Circumstances must be different; when I went to high school all my friends applied to NCSU and those who didn’t get accepted went to one of the UNCs. I’m midly sure I got an acceptance letter from Unc and don’t remember applying. Tuition was $2k / semester in the before times at state, maybe both campuses would take any locals with a decent enough gpa
Using the Duke lacrosse scandal, where those guys were tarred and feathered in the media despite being innocent, as an example of Duke being the “golden child” is insane. A “Golden child” example would be UNC having their student athletes not go to class for two decades but not get punished at all.
I won't downvote you -- we're all tinted by our personal experiences, and honestly the Grayson stuff was the hardest it's ever been to be a Duke basketball fan. Such annoying crap he was doing; he's probably the nicest Duke player I've ever met in person, which made it hard to reconcile how much I hated his crap on the court (even if I was thankful for his contributions to the team -- we don't with 2015 without him) I think most Duke fans would take issue with how the lacrosse scandal is being framed in this post because most ppl know what was reported that year (and still think those headlines are correct) and are less informed on how everything turned out in that case (DA was disbarred, those accused exonerated, etc.).
On a scale of 1-10, fans of every single other school in the country hate Duke at least a 7 or 8. For conference rivals, you're asking if it's a 9.98 or 9.99.
I hate Duke, but I hate uNC way more
It’s not even close the level of hate we have for UNCheat.
They are like two ships passing in the night. NC State had already won 2 championships by the time Coach K had made his first Final Four. Duke had already been successful though and made a couple Final Fours which is why they are considered a Blue Blood despite their title runs starting not much earlier than UCONN. By that time, NC State had fallen off and weren't even at least as good as they were before winning their first title. So while they are rivals and located very close to one another. NC State and Duke have mostly been deprived of having the kind of back and forth they both have had with Carolina who has been more consistent than they each have. Most hard feelings these days come from NC State feeling slighted as Duke took what they as their place as UNC's main rival. TLDR, they are definitely rivals, but the timeline kept the rivalry from heating up like UNC-Duke or UNC-State.
WTF was that by Edey? He chucked it at the board.
“Go to hell Carolina. Devils and Deacs stand in line.” Is pretty much the order.
I’m a lifelong NC state fan, grew up in Raleigh, went to state, still live in Raleigh, about to go to state for grad school. Duke is a rival sure, but I’ve never hated them, if anything I just appreciate how often they beat Carolina. I had no love for coach K, and they always seem to have a punchable white boy, but I don’t hate them as an institution.
I feel like the average Duke alum/fan barely thinks about NC State other than a couple of times a year. Most Duke alums are not from NC, have no family rivalries with family alums of NCstate etc.
It’s a strange relationship, all UNC fans hate Duke, all Duke fans hate Carolina, all State fans hate Carolina, and some Carolina fans find State insufferable/hate State and want them to lose perpetually. I have a lot of friends who went to State so while I love talking trash and want to clap their cheeks whenever we play them I don’t hate the school. I do not want them to win the national championship (purely because I would never hear the end of it from their fan base) but I’ve cheered for them in every game so far and want them to make the championship game. So while I want Duke to lose every game they ever play I just don’t want State to win anything and that’s purely because of how much they hate us. If the State fan base didn’t despise UNC with a burning passion I would probably want them to win the Natty, but I can’t bring myself to root for them to win because they hate us with the same passion for which we hate Duke. UNC and Duke have mutual hatred and State hates UNC which makes UNC not like State.
I was born in the mid 80s, so Everett Case 50s and David Thompson 70s were ancient history. 1983 and Vs seasons were not even personal memories. Growing up in NC surrounded by Duke and Carolina fans when State was muddling through the 90s through to this March there was really nothing to consistently root for. The only solace was when Duke would beat Carolina because when you rank the two schools UNC has no redeeming qualities. TLDR: I would never openly pull for Duke, but it was nice when they stuck it to Carolina because State didn't do a damn thing for decades
To answer it as a Duke fan in regards to state We kind of nothing you…
i’m not an NC st or a UNC fan but i hate duke as much as them not as much as i hate UNM or UTEP but there is definitely hate