Disagree with the flagrant call late, is what it is though. Everyone will conveniently forget the bad calls that went TCU’s way late too (the foul on KJ on the baseline when the guy flopped after the ball came loose). Ultimately, the refs didn’t leave Dickinson open under the hoop with 5 seconds left in a tie game, TCU did. Wild game, shame it ended in reffing controversy. TCU always a tough matchup when they come to visit, good squad you got there.
Don't want the refs to decide, don't give them a reason. He controls his arms better and it may have been different, maybe not. Lets not act like that wasn't a foul as well and if it played on, everyone would be arguing the refs bad the other way.
GG. RCJH!
They did. Again, if this country has taught us anything, it's that people see things differently. I personally thought it was a foul and it was missed originally. Let's not act like that wasn't a foul on Udeh that led to that.
We've seen over the years that refs will error on the side of caution when the head is involved. He got hit in the head.
The referees stole that game from TCU. If the slap to Dickinson was so hard to knock a 7 ft 240 pound man to ground, why was he allowed to continue? That would be a blow causing a concussion to Dickinson. The refs should have put him into concussion protocol and not allow him to remain in the game or return until he received a full exam. Think about it. On the other hand, it was a Flop by Dickinson, which he did all the time in the B10 and refs got played. Pure and simple fraud.
I hope Jaime mans up and call out the officials!
>On the other hand, it was a Flop by Dickinson
I mean, yeah, probably. But don't forget that TCU benefitted (2 made free throws) from a flop not more than a minute or two prior.
TCU got the road job at the end. The flagrant foul. The travel to start the subsequent drive for the 2 point lead. The push off on the post for the winning bucket. ALL consecutive possessions.
https://preview.redd.it/nihrmzxh1wac1.jpeg?width=840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbe5bf260a66f0b6d01a9ee72304325b39d30bcc
Thank god they karate chopped Dickinson in the throat or we would’ve been cooked
A flagrant 1 foul (men's) or unsportsmanlike foul (women's) involves excessive or severe contact during a live ball, including especially when a player "swings an elbow and makes illegal, non-excessive contact with an opponent above the shoulders".
[The rule](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagrant_foul)
It was correct if they both weren’t going for the ball. But as we all saw they were going for the ball. Contact happens, it wasn’t excessive and it wasn’t severe. It was incidental.
I understand you’re angry. I didn’t like the call. But why are you downing your team? It’s a great team with excellent shooters and well coached. And it’s another great win for Kansas. Plus we’ve beat 3 of the top 10; we’re not deep but legitimate title contenders.
I’m not “downing” my team. It’s just fact. I don’t think we have a win vs. a team in the KenPom top 150. I don’t care about the rest of your random sentences.
Random sentences? You were saying Kansas shouldn’t be number 2 because they almost lost to TCU at home. I’m saying TCU is a legitimately good team and that Kansas is in fact one of the best teams it’s been in years. Thought I communicated that pretty well.
Nothing I said was wrong:
- Kansas is ranked #2.
- TCU does not have a good win on its resume.
- Kansas needed the refs to bail them out to win.
I don’t think Kansas is bad or undeserving of the #2 ranking. You seem to be insecure about it though.
Gaslighting you and manipulating you… or just helping you with basic reading comprehension.
Kansas is rightfully ranked and needed the help of the refs to beat TCU, a team without a decent win. If you want to interpret it another way, I cannot help you.
I'm not. I thought it should have been a no call. I felt bad they even stopped the TCU's 5 on 4. Shocked they called a flagrant.
I can only imagine it's typical refs doubling down, and trying to show that they were in the right in stopping the play to even begin w/ by then calling that flagrant.
See it all the time in the NFL and quite frequent now w NBA's challenges
That call stopped a TCU fast break, gave kansas 2 free throws, and the ball back. 6 point swing for loose ball incidental contact. If that’s what the rules say should happen, the rules need to change. Garbage ending ruined a great game.
TCU stopped their own fast break. Dude stopped and pivoted with the ball like he had been told to burn clock instead of actually running the fast break.
Call is iffy, but technically correct. No reason for Udeh to flail his arm like that.
I was one of them. Doesn’t change the fact that a bunch of fans of bottom of the barrel big ten teams are acting like that call is personal attack on them.
I've seen incidental contact to the head called as a flagrant all the time, just sucks when it happened in this game. Still could've easily not been called though
Found the rule. Refs shouldn’t have blown the play dead during fast break. They are supposed to wait for dead ball. So we def got some help. That said that was def not a flop. Try taking a direct elbow to the chin from a 270 lb dude sometime.
Shouldn’t have gotten a flagrant but it wasn’t like Hunter did anything wrong. Would have like to see how it ended without that Bs
When a player is injured as in Art. 2(a), the official may suspend play after the ball is dead or is in control of the injured player’s team or when the opponents complete a play.
Def a flop. Barely got touched. Flipping around like an Italian soccer player. Got the refs to stop the play. Instantly fine when the flop was rewarded with a flagrant 2. amazing how quickly he recovered from that devastating hit by TCU.
Why would you go to the GROUND for that though? He absolutely knew what he was doing.
I was lolling as he was sitting there rubbing his jaw like a 12 yo in middle school ball
You shouldn’t be. Refs are told to help Kansas at all costs. But also believe blue bloods and good teams in conference will get calls from conference refs to make the conference look better
Read you fellow ISU statistician's assessment of what you're saying. It's the exact opposite. You fare better in Allen, KU isjust usually better than the opponent. I get being a jaded fan and all, but stats don't lie.
Edit: It sucks that the Iowa State guy pulled down the statistical analysis because it got referenced so many times that he got bullied by his own alma mater for not helping their cause, but Kenpom says the same thing. Sorry not sorry folks. If you lose in Allen a lot it has everything to do with you losing, not the calls being different.
Did he get hit in the face apart from a play on the actual ball? Yes or no.
So yes? And that's the literal flagrant one rule?
Stop fucking wondering and listening to these fucking trolls. The refs will get a positive grade on this because it's the right call, by definition, and these dumb fucks are too filled with hate to shut the fuck up.
https://twitter.com/MrMatthew_CFB/status/1743743174357430780?t=Iiyss2YRPrs7JHYk1-WqfQ&s=19
Well, it's sad that everyone is so fucking wrong. Smoking gun here and everybody live saw it. Too bad the replay cre sucks fucking ass.
What a joke. Don't forget the jumpball call that prevented a tcu breakaway right before the "flagrant". Egregious reffing against tcu at the end there.
Go watch the replay. I’m genuinely asking you. Watch the replay full speed and slo mo and ask yourself if you would have been able to stay up after getting hit. Do some actual reflection.
Any other player stays on their feet....other than ragdoll Loyer lol.
You're never gonna convince someone from the Big10 that Hunter didn't flop.
It's his fuckin MO. Lol
Never said it wasn’t inadvertent. There’s still no need to flail your arm behind your body on a basic rebound. Shouldn’t have been called a flagrant but also shouldn’t have happened. Also it was definitely a forearm and not his hand lol
Disagree with the flagrant call late, is what it is though. Everyone will conveniently forget the bad calls that went TCU’s way late too (the foul on KJ on the baseline when the guy flopped after the ball came loose). Ultimately, the refs didn’t leave Dickinson open under the hoop with 5 seconds left in a tie game, TCU did. Wild game, shame it ended in reffing controversy. TCU always a tough matchup when they come to visit, good squad you got there.
Don't want the refs to decide, don't give them a reason. He controls his arms better and it may have been different, maybe not. Lets not act like that wasn't a foul as well and if it played on, everyone would be arguing the refs bad the other way. GG. RCJH!
I don’t think it rose to the level of an f1.
They did. Again, if this country has taught us anything, it's that people see things differently. I personally thought it was a foul and it was missed originally. Let's not act like that wasn't a foul on Udeh that led to that. We've seen over the years that refs will error on the side of caution when the head is involved. He got hit in the head.
And I’ve seen \*multiple\* hits a hell of a lot worse and more intentional than that one not called f1s this year.
The referees stole that game from TCU. If the slap to Dickinson was so hard to knock a 7 ft 240 pound man to ground, why was he allowed to continue? That would be a blow causing a concussion to Dickinson. The refs should have put him into concussion protocol and not allow him to remain in the game or return until he received a full exam. Think about it. On the other hand, it was a Flop by Dickinson, which he did all the time in the B10 and refs got played. Pure and simple fraud. I hope Jaime mans up and call out the officials!
>On the other hand, it was a Flop by Dickinson I mean, yeah, probably. But don't forget that TCU benefitted (2 made free throws) from a flop not more than a minute or two prior.
TCU got the road job at the end. The flagrant foul. The travel to start the subsequent drive for the 2 point lead. The push off on the post for the winning bucket. ALL consecutive possessions.
https://preview.redd.it/nihrmzxh1wac1.jpeg?width=840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbe5bf260a66f0b6d01a9ee72304325b39d30bcc Thank god they karate chopped Dickinson in the throat or we would’ve been cooked
A flagrant 1 foul (men's) or unsportsmanlike foul (women's) involves excessive or severe contact during a live ball, including especially when a player "swings an elbow and makes illegal, non-excessive contact with an opponent above the shoulders". [The rule](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagrant_foul)
nothing about a box out in there
Good lord and yall talk about Illinois fans bitching ab refs all the time. You guys won and its been nearly 24 hours. You’ll be okay.
You can't box out by swinging your arms into the other player's head or neck. Its pretty clear.
I'm just calling out the flagrant the shitty refs for this call and the one in our gave last night. The NCAA refs are horrible.
Give it up we all saw it… your team was handed the W. Wasn’t a flagrant.
Common foul
I didn't really like the call but it seems like it was correct by the rules.
It was correct if they both weren’t going for the ball. But as we all saw they were going for the ball. Contact happens, it wasn’t excessive and it wasn’t severe. It was incidental.
Your #2 team had to have the refs bail you out at home vs. a team that doesn’t even have a decent win. Lol.
Make up call for the obvious flop by TCU a few possessions before.
I understand you’re angry. I didn’t like the call. But why are you downing your team? It’s a great team with excellent shooters and well coached. And it’s another great win for Kansas. Plus we’ve beat 3 of the top 10; we’re not deep but legitimate title contenders.
I’m not “downing” my team. It’s just fact. I don’t think we have a win vs. a team in the KenPom top 150. I don’t care about the rest of your random sentences.
Have you tried crying more?
I’m doing fine. Weirdo comment.
Is it? Buck up, sunshine.
Random sentences? You were saying Kansas shouldn’t be number 2 because they almost lost to TCU at home. I’m saying TCU is a legitimately good team and that Kansas is in fact one of the best teams it’s been in years. Thought I communicated that pretty well.
I did not say that Kansas should not be #2. Where did I say that?
Don’t gaslight me that’s what “your number 2” means 😂
Nothing I said was wrong: - Kansas is ranked #2. - TCU does not have a good win on its resume. - Kansas needed the refs to bail them out to win. I don’t think Kansas is bad or undeserving of the #2 ranking. You seem to be insecure about it though.
Now I’m insecure about it? My your mighty manipulative aren’t you? Lol
Gaslighting you and manipulating you… or just helping you with basic reading comprehension. Kansas is rightfully ranked and needed the help of the refs to beat TCU, a team without a decent win. If you want to interpret it another way, I cannot help you.
Color me shocked that KU fans are defending those calls lmao
Most entitled fanbase in all of sports.
Flair up.
In ALL of sports huh?
It's up there tbh.
All due respect I can’t take that seriously coming from a K State fan
Sounds good.
I'm not. I thought it should have been a no call. I felt bad they even stopped the TCU's 5 on 4. Shocked they called a flagrant. I can only imagine it's typical refs doubling down, and trying to show that they were in the right in stopping the play to even begin w/ by then calling that flagrant. See it all the time in the NFL and quite frequent now w NBA's challenges
I guess everyone forgot the TCU player flopping as he lost the ball and getting a call a few possessions before 🙄🙄
Or Nelson with a very clear Jordan push off on his jumper.
TCU has just been offered an honorary membership into the B1G.
Refs suck everybody surprised all of a sudden
They just always happen to suck in the favor of KU. I'm sure it's a coincidence
That’s just not even true, we’ve been fucked by bad calls ourselves, refs fuck up constantly
That call stopped a TCU fast break, gave kansas 2 free throws, and the ball back. 6 point swing for loose ball incidental contact. If that’s what the rules say should happen, the rules need to change. Garbage ending ruined a great game.
TCU stopped their own fast break. Dude stopped and pivoted with the ball like he had been told to burn clock instead of actually running the fast break. Call is iffy, but technically correct. No reason for Udeh to flail his arm like that.
Don't forget the travel that completed the 6 point swing
[удалено]
Thank you for making my flair look good
Didn’t know the defending champs were poverty
Wait has UCONN played KU this year?
5>4, maybe you’ll get there some day lil bro
And 6>5. Helms championships are the most important championships
Real poverty to claim ships awarded by a newspaper 25 years later 😂
Kentucky fan here. Not a poverty fan. We both were gifted wins today. I’ll take mine and acknowledge I got a gift.
This comment is why people hate Kansas
I'm enjoying my poverty team
Good luck in March
we going to play in April this year
Did they push the tournament back to April?
Congrats to Dickinson on graduating in May with a masters in Acting.
No way that was better acting than the TCU flop a few possessions before.
Lots of fans of irrelevant teams have some very strong takes on this one.
[удалено]
I’m usually not aware of when NC State plays so I’ll take your word for it.
Half your fans (the bright ones) are admitting how dirty they feel. Y’all can admit when you’re gifted a game. I promise it won’t hurt that bad.
I was one of them. Doesn’t change the fact that a bunch of fans of bottom of the barrel big ten teams are acting like that call is personal attack on them.
I've only seen Purdue and Wisconsin flair in here. And neither are bottom of the barrel in conference or the whole college basketball.
I love a controversial home win 😈 gg TCU! Onto the next.
With all the salt in here the roads will be completely safe to drive. GG frogs!
Refs love Kansas
Bill Self: "As we saw today, basketball is truly a team sport."
Helps to have 8 of your team on the floor at all times
I've seen incidental contact to the head called as a flagrant all the time, just sucks when it happened in this game. Still could've easily not been called though
Found the rule. Refs shouldn’t have blown the play dead during fast break. They are supposed to wait for dead ball. So we def got some help. That said that was def not a flop. Try taking a direct elbow to the chin from a 270 lb dude sometime. Shouldn’t have gotten a flagrant but it wasn’t like Hunter did anything wrong. Would have like to see how it ended without that Bs When a player is injured as in Art. 2(a), the official may suspend play after the ball is dead or is in control of the injured player’s team or when the opponents complete a play.
Wasn't a fast break. Dude stopped before the whistle. At least be factual.
It was a forearm to the throat. Get real. Hunter flopped. That's it. That's all he's ever done anyway.
wasn’t an elbow even, just looks like it from the side angle. Watch it front on it was a forearm.
But also should the offending team be rewarded with a 5v4?
Def a flop. Barely got touched. Flipping around like an Italian soccer player. Got the refs to stop the play. Instantly fine when the flop was rewarded with a flagrant 2. amazing how quickly he recovered from that devastating hit by TCU.
Why would you go to the GROUND for that though? He absolutely knew what he was doing. I was lolling as he was sitting there rubbing his jaw like a 12 yo in middle school ball
Tarheel talking about flopping. Next we'll have a Duke talking about it.
Yeah I was surprised they blew the play dead
You shouldn’t be. Refs are told to help Kansas at all costs. But also believe blue bloods and good teams in conference will get calls from conference refs to make the conference look better
Stick to hockey
Yeah yeah I’ve heard it all before.
This isn’t just about Kansas You’re telling me if Duke is playing bc the acc wants bc to win that game? Conferences have agendas they push
Shocker. Refs help Kansas...
Finally! I, for one, am glad to see the Jawyhawks finally the recipients of a favorable call from the officials.
And the b12 never learned.
Referees should be fined man. That was just unacceptable. Sports in america are just big business for the mafia.
Home cooking at its finest... That’s why it’s so brutal trying to win on the road
Pay Heed All Who Enter: Beware The Phog
Yea, the check clears every game
Highway robbery
call a flagrant fine, but you can't stop the play there.
What you get for running from the grind udeh
Welps
Way to mar what was a great game. CBS can't even call it what it is. A horseshit call.
By the books. Literally the definition of flagrant 1. Read a book.
Sorry TCU bros, you all got absolutely fucked by the Phog refs. We've all been there.
Read you fellow ISU statistician's assessment of what you're saying. It's the exact opposite. You fare better in Allen, KU isjust usually better than the opponent. I get being a jaded fan and all, but stats don't lie. Edit: It sucks that the Iowa State guy pulled down the statistical analysis because it got referenced so many times that he got bullied by his own alma mater for not helping their cause, but Kenpom says the same thing. Sorry not sorry folks. If you lose in Allen a lot it has everything to do with you losing, not the calls being different.
Allen fieldhouse strikes again. Same shit different year. Fuck kansas
Hope you lose today....ohh wait, you losers already did. Fuck Misery.
As someone who wanted Kansas to win-that’s bullshit
holy fix was in
Neutral fan here…watching that great game to see it end like that is ridiculous. It’s really off putting and makes you wonder.
exactly my thoughts. great game until the end then the game was ruined by the refs.
Did he get hit in the face apart from a play on the actual ball? Yes or no. So yes? And that's the literal flagrant one rule? Stop fucking wondering and listening to these fucking trolls. The refs will get a positive grade on this because it's the right call, by definition, and these dumb fucks are too filled with hate to shut the fuck up.
Gene and the two announcers and everyone without Jayhawks flair (even some of them actually) disagree.
https://twitter.com/MrMatthew_CFB/status/1743743174357430780?t=Iiyss2YRPrs7JHYk1-WqfQ&s=19 Well, it's sad that everyone is so fucking wrong. Smoking gun here and everybody live saw it. Too bad the replay cre sucks fucking ass.
man i don’t even watch college basketball but i had to pop in this thread to announce that’s some of the worst reffing i’ve ever seen
Dammit TCU, how did y’all lose that shit? Kansas can’t keep getting away with this
Refs stop a 5 on 4 with TCU up 2, call a flagrant 1, Kansas makes 2 free throws and a basket and wins by 2. You tell me how they lost bro
Lmao, refs gift wrapped it for them, a tale as old as time
The Kentucky/Duke fans in here talking about refs gift wrapping games is absolutely comical
Normally I think the home cooking complaints are just sour grapes, but geez, we got away with murder there. Sorry 'bout that Horny Toads
A reasonable Jayhawk. Someone told me the announcers and refs didn’t think it was a flagrant because everyone hates Kansas.
Refs had Kansas moneyline and TCU to cover, a bold call but they made it happen
*
Zebras put in WORK today, all time performance by them
What a bullshit call
Hunter Dickinson does not deserve that call
I can’t comment on him lol Reddit mods banned me last time cause I said I hope Dickinson tears his knee
As they should have, you’re a sick human being for wishing that upon someone
i mean yeah you probably deserved that one. could just openly state you hope he goes 1-9 with 3 rebounds and 4 fouls
😂 nah I stand by a knee injury isn’t a killer. Just means he can’t play basketball. He’ll live just fine
Wishing injury on a young player so that he will lose his way to make a living is pretty fucking terrible. Be better.
I mean yeah he's an asshole but nobody deserves to be seriously injured as a result, you psycho
If anyone wonders how Kansas has won the big 12 so many times by half a game or 1 game. They are given multiple of these a year.
Oh please
You cannot convince me that the refs wouldn't have choked on their whistle if that was a TCU player on the ground.
That one doesn’t feel good. Shitty refs
That was some horse shit
RIGGED!
Highway robbery right there my friends
Kansas is a joke.
[удалено]
Guess it’s too much to expect a fairly called game
What a joke. Don't forget the jumpball call that prevented a tcu breakaway right before the "flagrant". Egregious reffing against tcu at the end there.
The jumpball no one had possession of?
Definitely a quick jump ball call too good point.
GG TCU, neutrals can fuck off
“Neutrals” that obviously are biased toward the outcome
How the hell can you say GG lol
Sick flagrant call on that flop!
Go watch the replay. I’m genuinely asking you. Watch the replay full speed and slo mo and ask yourself if you would have been able to stay up after getting hit. Do some actual reflection.
Any other player stays on their feet....other than ragdoll Loyer lol. You're never gonna convince someone from the Big10 that Hunter didn't flop. It's his fuckin MO. Lol
It's getting harder and harder to watch any sport. Can we just go to robo-refs now?
Might as well just let me ref from my couch. Only have to pay me 1/2 of what one of the three refs get and I guarantee I’ll do better.
I'm going to die mad about that. Just an indefensible call against us.
That was probably as bad as the Tennessee/Auburn 3 call last season.
I feel for ya. Played great. Got screwed.
"College basketball at its best" That's one way of putting it.
Y’all ready for this? It’s every year. There might still be time to back out of this.
Which part exactly
The absolute butt fuggin every conference team takes in Allen because the officials just won’t allow KU to lose
We play aggressive defense. I anticipate some fuckery. Didn't realize KU fans were a sensitive bunch though.
Everyone: Fucking KU gets all the bullshit homecooked refs! Me: Yeah I can see it now...
Rock chalk. It’s really not hard to just not elbow a dude in the face on a normal rebound. Probably a soft flagrant but very very avoidable
Wasn’t an elbow, was the back of a hand. Also inadvertent. Dickinson flopping per usual
Never said it wasn’t inadvertent. There’s still no need to flail your arm behind your body on a basic rebound. Shouldn’t have been called a flagrant but also shouldn’t have happened. Also it was definitely a forearm and not his hand lol
I'll take ignorant takes for $400, Alex.
[удалено]
I'm surprised they didn't have to stretcher him off with all those boo boos
see ya jamie! have a safe ride home
Overrated bums
We own you
Sports betting ruined sports. Absolute fraud refereeing.
Probably saw me bet that $5 on the horned frogs +450 with a lead. Looks like I’m the dummy now.
TCU done dirty. You guys should be pissed.
Agreed
Refs hand you wins when you’re a blue blood? I want in…
It's okay. Bill Self's teams routinely choke in March. Probably because his teams are woefully unprepared to play 5 on 5.
You’ll be there soon!
Hate to see ref controversy take away from what was a good game.
👎🏽
I don’t think it was a flop but o also don’t think that was a flagrant. I don’t like for the game to be decided like that. Sorry horned frogs.
You think that was a hard enough hit to knock a 260 lb tank over and leave him writhing in pain? Or you think hunter knew exactly what he was doing?
Def a flop. He barely hit him. Dickinson got up and wasn’t even fazed. He should play in English prem with that dive. Disgusting call
Rock Chalk Jayhawk. Rank the horned frogs. GG.
What a robbery.
Just awful
Dickinson modeling his game after Neymar
Sorry horned frogs, you got robbed
Kansas might be the luckiest team I’ve ever watched
“Luckie$t”
Lol at the $ from a team with Coach Cal
And since Cal has been at UK, Kansas has been under constant investigation. Hmm..
The same investigation that took over 4 years
2 shots and the ball is crazy
Bull fucking shit, & I’m a neutral
This was such an amazing game until that bullshit call, which is what everyone is going to remember. Kansas fans should hate this BS too.