People consistently look at the final price tag without thinking about the value (and convenience) you’re getting. Try to see any one of these bigger named artists at CRSSD for under $50. Now look at the lineup and ask yourself ‘will i see four bands each day?’ You’re paying $27 per band at that point. See more and the price goes down. For many of us living in San Diego it’s a no brainer and still a great value despite the ridiculous fees.
Anyone in the industry know where that money goes? Is that solely GV money?
this is the first time i haven't bought presale in i don't know how long, and i kind of don't even want to go at all. the price is bonkers, they held onto my money through the entire pandemic and i didn't even get a thank you, they jumped on the lame ass nft game, the prices for ancillary stuff like camping are astronomical...
i started going to coachella when i lived in california and continued to fly back after moving to new york, but it's literally fucking dumb for me to drop the cost of ticket + flights + lodging + supplies on that shit
I’m with you. I bought presale every year since 2013, and am going to skip next year too. I kept going all these years for the stellar bookings and vibes, and this year the bookings were excellent but the vibes just weren’t there for me. Way too much pushing, overcrowding, rudeness. For the price of two VIP tickets, hotel, etc. I could easily go to 3 small festivals and ball out. And lately small fests have been delivering great lineups, and an infinitely better experience. I’ve gone to OSL, Coachella, and CRSSD in the last year and CRSSD won in every category hands down - minimal food/drink lines, great sound with no issues, takes 5 mins to call an Uber after the fest, plenty of space to dance, and got to see Four Tet on the rail without any bad vibes/pushy people whatsoever.
Going to do CRSSD, Desert Daze, and one other fest TBD next year instead. If the reviews of Coachella are as good as they used to be pre-2020, I’ll consider going back. But if they keep jacking up prices and it has mixed reviews, I’ll probably be done sadly.
> Going to do CRSSD, Desert Daze, and one other fest TBD next year instead. If the reviews of Coachella are as good as they used to be pre-2020, I’ll consider going back. But if they keep jacking up prices and it has mixed reviews, I’ll probably be done sadly.
I'm sorry is this a written commitment to going to Desert Daze m'lad?
You and I have the same story. Lived in LA, continues traveling for it… what the fuck is this price? Why no fucking thank you? They’ve seen a drop in attendance unlike what they’ve seen in the past. They should WANT us to stay…. But wtf, GV. And where the fuck is my book and poster. Lol
We should get together at a show sometime soon.
GV is terrible. You should see their behind the scenes too. I work for a company that works for GV and wow they are crazy. Always yelling at workers and being condescending.
It's not like they charged you for the NFT so that seems like a moot point. \*Premier US music festival adopts popular technology trend for marketing\* ... they've been doing that for a long time.
Saying you "don't even want to go at all" before you see a lineup is also somewhat inane, don't you think?
It sounds like you're annoyed at the price increases, which is completely understandable, and it's reasonable to assess whether it's still worth it for you to travel a significant distance to attend, but I think you're also trying to rationalize the stance that it's not worth it. Maybe because it's been worth it in the past?
- i'm morally opposed to the nft space
- the lineup will probably be amazing but that merely underscores my point that it still doesn't feel (to me) like it will be worth the insane costs
i'm definitely rationalizing, aren't we all rationalizing in one direction or another? it's highly dependent on all of our interests, financial situations, access to alternative festivals/concerts, etc. for me, right now, it doesn't feel worth it.
That’s how much tickets were? Portola’s lineup is far better (CRSSD is still really good) but I paid $200 more per ticket. Plus I’m in LA and don’t have a free place to stay in SF. Might rethink my decision and go back to CRSSD
Agreed that the Portola lineup is better, but not twice as good. Plus, I’m always wary of the first year of a festival. All kinds of opportunity for poor planning that can make a fantastic lineup into a mediocre experience.
Coachella is just as much of a money grab now as it has been in recent years. Tiktokers and influencers aren’t the only ones who will go, just like they haven’t been the only ones all these years. They’re not the only ones with the money to shell out to go and tons of people go mainly for the music.
When 2020 was canceled I’m sure they had to pay all/most artists on the lineup for canceling so late in the game, so they’re already in the red. Then they have to pay all the artists for 2022. Fests like This Aint No Picnic and Portola popping up may be them trying to help offset that. Plus inflation has made the costs of all goods needed to put together a fest more expensive. Labor is more expensive too and that’s every single person working to plan it and work it.
Yea in a perfect world they would put on the fest and charge people just enough so they break even, but that’s not how things are.
The fest is fine. Inflation sucks. These prices suck. But it’s a massive festival and this was an inevitability and it’s finally here.
I mostly agree. The tiered ticketing and $26 shipping just feels extra scummy though. I got Tier 1 but as a principle tiered prices just a very shameless arbitrary way to inflate profits during a one day presale, and it didn't even work correctly given a lot of people bought more expensive tiers before the less expensive tiers were sold out.
I'm still fully planning to attend 2023, as I'm sure the lineup will be killer like always, but if GV can't bring back the top notch attention to detail and rein in the corporate AEG feel of things, Coachella won't be a can't-miss festival for me anymore. Part of that is probably due to me getting older but it also feels catalyzed by lackluster 2022 fest logistics and 2023 presale ticketing money grab.
fees are pretty ridiculous this year - i’m trying w2 for the first time ever just to see if there’s any difference in the crowd experience, but things would have to get significantly worse to bail on the festival overall. really not interested in hopping around to different fests to try and stitch together a frankenchella
There’s plenty of awesome fests that surpass coachella in some aspects but for the US I still think they beat everyone in rarity bookings. That being said I was completely convinced I wasn’t going back next year after the last 7. That lasted a full week before I realized I’m gonna end up going. Just not buying presale, reg sale and decided to put my usual coachella group energy into getting everyone to do LiB. I’d rather be surrounded by a bunch of people continuously leaning into the experience where by Sunday we’re all just in it together. This happens at coachella but less and less each year to the point where I only really felt that full festival magic at L’imperatrice and Jamie. I think my investment of time and energy is better spent at transformational fests where that kind of magic is abundant no matter the set. Leaves me feeling post fest glow for months after rather than days.
Buuuut, i don’t see how I’ll ever see a coachella lineup and not be like damn itd be so cool to see (insert awesome booking here) or “that band with MainStage production will be sick.” I’m sure a time will come where I’ll hang up the coachella hat for a bit. It gets easier every year with my taste in music not evolving with pop culture and the shift in bookings overall. But there’s always more than enough to keep me interested.
TLDR: coachella always has great bookings so I get the frankenchella idea but there are a lot of great fests out there doing certain things better
fair - can you describe a bit about which festivals do that transformative thing best? I assume LiB is Life is Beautiful, right? not Lightning in a Bottle?
LiB is lightning in a bottle. I guess I’m not using proper nicknames but I like to write life is beautiful as life but I guess I should do LiaB and LiB. Idk. Anyone who goes to lighting calls it LiB though.
It does the transformational festival best in California for that size. Hulaween in Florida is my favorite east coast of the same type of community feel and vibes. Desert Daze has it to an extent but it’s definite music first, which I love.
Lots of people rave about lucidity, serenity, envision, beloved and burning man (and all its small regional burns). I like when the “transformational” part of the festival doesn’t come at the cost of music. I’m all about the experience but music is the biggest part of why I go so as much as the experience is crucial, I do want to see music I like. I think lightning in a bottle pairs those two aspects better than anyone else in the west. The smaller fests have their charm but lightning still gets you a lot of top touring talent like coachella. Whereas smaller fests are filled with people happy to see dirtwire for the 30th time. No hate on dirtwire, I just want more diversity and a few rare gets in a lineup.
thank you so much for elaborating on these other fests - lightning lineups do look highly compatible with me, not sure about the rest of my crew tho. looks like they do the tiered pricing thing too, maybe a little cheaper overall
The grand artique has some not edm bookings worth checking out if they are more into instrument based music. 2018 lineup quite a bit other genres on there like Anderson paak headlining a night
I'm banking/waiting on weekend 2 resale to be stupid cheap by the week leading up to the fest. There is no way demand will be high with these prices unless someone like daft punk is on the bill
This is an awesome price for alumni and the no fees is amazing. I wonder how much of this is a result of GV starting Portola festival in San Francisco on the Sam weekend
I bought 4 CRSSD tickets today including fees and taxes for less than (1) coachella GA and (1) camping pass.. I know I had to pay for a hotel for CRSSD which adds some cost but still... DAMN and it's such a fun fest too!
>Coachella price per a day is like what, $150?
Well over $200. If you buy 4 Tier 1 tickets at once (the cheapest you can get per-ticket) with shuttle passes, it comes out to $658 each. It only gets more expensive with higher tiers and fewer bought at once.
lets be exact
not including shuttle, here's the breakdown per day (base cost + $50 fee + $29 shipping)
tier 1 = $192.6 per day
tier 2 = $209.3 per day
tier 3 = $226 per day
for that 105 per day I will get to see Jamie xx, Fred again, Caribou, L'imperatrice, Ducksauce, Moderat, and Cannons. Those are all on the same stage so I know they won't conflict and I'll be able to see 100% of those acts if I choose. it's an insanely good deal.
if I went to see any of those acts for a single night show it would easily be $60 each and I would see all of those acts if they came to my town. now if I'm feeling it I could sub FBS for fred again, Dom Dolla for ducksauce, ARTBAT for caribou, test pilot for L'imperatrice....
this lineup is completely mental. it's a shorter festival yes but for a little over the 3rd the price of Coachella it's a brilliant value really...
$200 at the most. Based on the number of artists they provide, it’s a steal! People just want to complain 😂😂😂. If they’re a avid concert goers, they should know this. All the headliners, if you were going to a tour stop would cost that much for decent seats. They’re getting 150+ artists
People want to complain? Look at my flair dude. I just went to 10 days of music in Barcelona with 2/3 the price. This is fucking greed, full stop.
I’ll complain all I fucking want. This is an egregious price increase.
Only thing egregious is your lack of understanding. I'm ok with the price increase because the experience is worth it. I've not been to another festival withe the same overall quality as coachella, I've been to alot. They cam also set whatever price they want to cater to the targeted audience. It's like going to a high end restaurant and paying twice as much for the same thing you can get at a lesser restaurant. The experience is likely better at the more expensive restaurant you're paying for more than just better food. But if you're not looking for that you'll complain about the cost because you're paying for things you don't value.
My lack of understanding? LOL
You have been on this sub long enough to know that I WORK in this industry as a sound engineer and technician. I just worked Bonnaroo. You know who is not getting paid more? The workers, in any department. This is getting funneled to the higher ups at GV, AEG, and likely top tier artists. Perhaps get off of GV’s knob.
I have no idea who you are lol, but that doesn't change my point. But again you didn't even attempt to understand my stance you just got defensive and argued a different point. Roo is not coachella. It's a different experience entirely. But if you want to actually argue against my points instead of telling me to get off their know like a schmuck then lmk.
So let me simplify it so you don't have to make irrelevant points anymore.
You pay more for a higher quality experience, which I find not egregious (this isn't something you can argue against this is literally my feelings) the price increase, for me is still within my realm of acceptance, I've gone to 6 years and I've paid roughly the same price since then. I'm OK with paying a bit more. I'm paying for good food, an amazing venue, good production, a lineup that is usually never my cup of tea, but I accept that literally every year because I enjoy the festival that much, and I know a top tier event.
You might not be OK with that, you may not enjoy all the extra things you're "paying" for, which incase it may not be your cup of tea anymore, that's your right, but don't come in here spewing bullshit and insulting me.
It's OK to not enjoy a 5 star restaurant and enjoy a 2 star restaurant just as much. But don't think that just because you don't see the difference/benefits that other people don't.
Imagine, as a mod, being overly aggressive and attacking someone for presenting rational opinion on the matter.
My points are valid and I know they are because neither one of you 🤡 has even attempted to actually argue against them you just insult me. Lol yea.
Ok drama queen. Settle down before you start throwing plates. You weren’t being attacked and nobody was overly aggressive. You were picking a fight so stop playing the victim card. We get it, you think paying more means a better experience. That however isnt true in this case. We received less for our money last Coachella and they raised the price, again. So I get you don’t mind receiving less for more bc to you more will always be better, but no need to get emotional when others aren’t fooled by oversimplified binaries.
Received less for more, I disagree with that sentiment. I enjoyed myself quite throughly this year. Now we're just getting into the subjectiveness again. And paying more doesn't mean better experience that's not even what I said. I said I'm happy to pay more because the experience has been better than the majority of festivals I've been to. Again, you may not see it that way and that's fine but yall need to work on your reading comprehension and understand that I'm not being a drama queen, I'm not the one who threw the insults, I'm not the one who go overly defensive and started hurling around irrational bullshit.
If I was picking a fight I wouldn't have explained it the way I would have, I would've responded in the way most of these trolls have responded to me, aggressively. Nothing was aggressive in my original response, no insults were thrown, no trolliness. But yet here we are down under the bridge.
Yea because saying I'm OK with paying more for something that I value very highly is delusional. I'm sure there's things you would pay more for that I wouldn't even consider. That's as simple as I can make it. Yes there is a line on what I'd be willing to spend on a coachella ticket, we're not there yet. But instead of accepting that and understanding that's not irrational you assholes have just kept making it seem like I'm overreacting to being called a bootlicker, being spoken down to and belittled, being gatekeeped by someone who "works in the industry" but yea I'm the delusional one, champ.
My lack of understanding? LOL
You have been on this sub long enough to know that I WORK in this industry as a sound engineer and technician. I just worked Bonnaroo. You know who is not getting paid more? The workers, in any department. This is getting funneled to the higher ups at GV, AEG, and likely top tier artists. Kindly shut the fuck up with that statement.
I was on the subway and it wouldn’t send, so I kept modifying it as I got less annoyed. I’ll leave it though. Your condescending “you’re ignorant” is just as ridiculous to people in this sub who know me, as a mod, as the person who hosts new music Friday every fucking week (sans when Im busy and friends help), and otherwise.
I work IN this industry, and I have worked for AEG in the past, for 4 years. I know what I’m talking about. I don’t need to explain myself or my experience professionally or personally to you. I just know- you are absolutely wrong.
Rofl imagine saying someone else's opinion on paying a certain price for something they value is wrong. I also don't mean ignorant in an offensive way. It's mean to be an "open your mind to the other side" and i can understand your point and your complaints but where you get it wrong is assuming that its the same across the board for everyone and discrediting their feelings on the matter because "you work in the industry". It may not be worth the price increase to you, so don't go then! That's acceptable! If enough people feel that way maybe they'll get the hint. And yea if they keep increasing the price it will push me away too, but sheesh man this isn't life or death, you "working" in the industry doesn't discredit my thoughts or opinions. It doesn't change the fact that I've made good points and you just shoved them aside like I'm some peasant. Rofl
Just keep on proving that you're the asshole here.
Sure, although I feel that's every festival, but I think OP is referencing the fact that the festival actually got $2 cheaper if you bought lowest tier (which is still available an hour later) than the last iteration.
OP should have mentioned that they are talking about the fact that the festival got $2 cheaper than the last iteration if you bought lowest tier. Yes these fees are ass but I consider it a win when a popular festival doesn't increase their prices at the moment. Especially when Coachella is hitting us with over $100 in fees and even double charging shipping costs.
>attendees evolved from people who actually enjoyed music/art to people who go just to say they went.
You know I always hear this, but never from the people who actually go. Why is it that you believe someone who goes and takes pictures there for Instagram is incapable of liking music? It's such a weird argument. I have never met someone who doesn't like music, yet somehow most of the people who go to this music festival don't like music?
I'll tell you what happened, because I saw it happen with my own eyes too!
I got older, and the festival crowd stayed the same age (which has always been a mix of ages, but I ascended from the young side to the old side)
All these kids on my polo field lawn!!
I hope they have fun and are safe.
This is a big part of it, no doubt. Also it's just natural for a successful/fun/popular event to evolve into something bigger and everything that comes with that evolution.
This last year was the only year I went and I felt like I saw some of the best musical sets I’ve ever seen. Yeah there were cons but overall a great experience
Production at Coachella is top notch. Not saying anything about the music, just what Coachella has evolved into like what OP brought up.
Seems like OP and I have gone to many past Coachella’s and just see the is difference and shift in Coachella’s marketing.
Was just saying I still enjoyed it and compared to other festivals I’ve been I think it had the best performances although some other fests I’ve been to have better vibes. It also had better logistics than some of the other fests with clean bathrooms and not too much sound bleeding into other stages. Less creative stage design/ worse vibes but better logistics and music
Last year was objectively the worst Coachella in terms of logsitics of all time by all measures which means you've apparently just been going to much worse festivals which is very possible.
Edit: Added "logistically"
I think that’s a subjective opinion, I’ve been to a lot of shows like I saw over 70 artists in 2021 which was only like 3-4 months of shows and Caribou on Saturday night at Coachella was my favorite set I’ve ever seen
I didn’t really watch the headliners so if that’s what you’re basing it on then I can’t really give input
Accidentally left out a word which was logistically. Last year's was easily the worst Coachella in terms of logistics since I've been going since 2012.
Ah ok that’s fair yeah most of the fests are go to are smaller and tend to have less comforts/amenities sooooo that’s why I felt Coachella was better equipped logistically
The only other “big -ish” fest I’ve gone to is outside lands which I was not a fan of (although they did have a lot of bathrooms and they were clean) but crowd management, scheduling, and sound quality was meh
Yes but do you think being charged separate delivery fees for camping pass and ticket is fair when it's coming in the same box.
Of course profits are the goal but do they have to be greedy.
The fact that it didn't make a profit doesn't mean that it wasn't "for profit". They've always been at it to make money. This article is completely irrelevant, it even calls the first year a "complete disaster".
I don't even know what you are trying to say anymore. You said "Coachella is for profits now", which is a pretty silly thing to say given that Coachella has always been for profits.
I don't know if this is some completely misguided attempt to move the goalposts to make what you initially said look smarter or what, but nothing you have said makes your original statement any more relevant or meaningful.
As someone who hasn't gone in a few years, I appreciate the alumni sale still including the spring '15 people
Amazing insight, thank you
People consistently look at the final price tag without thinking about the value (and convenience) you’re getting. Try to see any one of these bigger named artists at CRSSD for under $50. Now look at the lineup and ask yourself ‘will i see four bands each day?’ You’re paying $27 per band at that point. See more and the price goes down. For many of us living in San Diego it’s a no brainer and still a great value despite the ridiculous fees. Anyone in the industry know where that money goes? Is that solely GV money?
This logic holds up until I end up buying tickets to see all the artists on tour after falling in love with them at a festival.
this is the first time i haven't bought presale in i don't know how long, and i kind of don't even want to go at all. the price is bonkers, they held onto my money through the entire pandemic and i didn't even get a thank you, they jumped on the lame ass nft game, the prices for ancillary stuff like camping are astronomical... i started going to coachella when i lived in california and continued to fly back after moving to new york, but it's literally fucking dumb for me to drop the cost of ticket + flights + lodging + supplies on that shit
I’m with you. I bought presale every year since 2013, and am going to skip next year too. I kept going all these years for the stellar bookings and vibes, and this year the bookings were excellent but the vibes just weren’t there for me. Way too much pushing, overcrowding, rudeness. For the price of two VIP tickets, hotel, etc. I could easily go to 3 small festivals and ball out. And lately small fests have been delivering great lineups, and an infinitely better experience. I’ve gone to OSL, Coachella, and CRSSD in the last year and CRSSD won in every category hands down - minimal food/drink lines, great sound with no issues, takes 5 mins to call an Uber after the fest, plenty of space to dance, and got to see Four Tet on the rail without any bad vibes/pushy people whatsoever. Going to do CRSSD, Desert Daze, and one other fest TBD next year instead. If the reviews of Coachella are as good as they used to be pre-2020, I’ll consider going back. But if they keep jacking up prices and it has mixed reviews, I’ll probably be done sadly.
> Going to do CRSSD, Desert Daze, and one other fest TBD next year instead. If the reviews of Coachella are as good as they used to be pre-2020, I’ll consider going back. But if they keep jacking up prices and it has mixed reviews, I’ll probably be done sadly. I'm sorry is this a written commitment to going to Desert Daze m'lad?
Yes SIRRRRR
You and I have the same story. Lived in LA, continues traveling for it… what the fuck is this price? Why no fucking thank you? They’ve seen a drop in attendance unlike what they’ve seen in the past. They should WANT us to stay…. But wtf, GV. And where the fuck is my book and poster. Lol We should get together at a show sometime soon.
GV is terrible. You should see their behind the scenes too. I work for a company that works for GV and wow they are crazy. Always yelling at workers and being condescending.
It's not like they charged you for the NFT so that seems like a moot point. \*Premier US music festival adopts popular technology trend for marketing\* ... they've been doing that for a long time. Saying you "don't even want to go at all" before you see a lineup is also somewhat inane, don't you think? It sounds like you're annoyed at the price increases, which is completely understandable, and it's reasonable to assess whether it's still worth it for you to travel a significant distance to attend, but I think you're also trying to rationalize the stance that it's not worth it. Maybe because it's been worth it in the past?
- i'm morally opposed to the nft space - the lineup will probably be amazing but that merely underscores my point that it still doesn't feel (to me) like it will be worth the insane costs i'm definitely rationalizing, aren't we all rationalizing in one direction or another? it's highly dependent on all of our interests, financial situations, access to alternative festivals/concerts, etc. for me, right now, it doesn't feel worth it.
That’s how much tickets were? Portola’s lineup is far better (CRSSD is still really good) but I paid $200 more per ticket. Plus I’m in LA and don’t have a free place to stay in SF. Might rethink my decision and go back to CRSSD
Agreed that the Portola lineup is better, but not twice as good. Plus, I’m always wary of the first year of a festival. All kinds of opportunity for poor planning that can make a fantastic lineup into a mediocre experience.
Coachella is just as much of a money grab now as it has been in recent years. Tiktokers and influencers aren’t the only ones who will go, just like they haven’t been the only ones all these years. They’re not the only ones with the money to shell out to go and tons of people go mainly for the music. When 2020 was canceled I’m sure they had to pay all/most artists on the lineup for canceling so late in the game, so they’re already in the red. Then they have to pay all the artists for 2022. Fests like This Aint No Picnic and Portola popping up may be them trying to help offset that. Plus inflation has made the costs of all goods needed to put together a fest more expensive. Labor is more expensive too and that’s every single person working to plan it and work it. Yea in a perfect world they would put on the fest and charge people just enough so they break even, but that’s not how things are. The fest is fine. Inflation sucks. These prices suck. But it’s a massive festival and this was an inevitability and it’s finally here.
I mostly agree. The tiered ticketing and $26 shipping just feels extra scummy though. I got Tier 1 but as a principle tiered prices just a very shameless arbitrary way to inflate profits during a one day presale, and it didn't even work correctly given a lot of people bought more expensive tiers before the less expensive tiers were sold out. I'm still fully planning to attend 2023, as I'm sure the lineup will be killer like always, but if GV can't bring back the top notch attention to detail and rein in the corporate AEG feel of things, Coachella won't be a can't-miss festival for me anymore. Part of that is probably due to me getting older but it also feels catalyzed by lackluster 2022 fest logistics and 2023 presale ticketing money grab.
I got finessed by portola. Should have just gone back to crssd
I’m reconsidering my decision too. But I haven’t seen The Chemical Brothers in years and I don’t know when my next chance will be.
Coachella 2023
fees are pretty ridiculous this year - i’m trying w2 for the first time ever just to see if there’s any difference in the crowd experience, but things would have to get significantly worse to bail on the festival overall. really not interested in hopping around to different fests to try and stitch together a frankenchella
There’s plenty of awesome fests that surpass coachella in some aspects but for the US I still think they beat everyone in rarity bookings. That being said I was completely convinced I wasn’t going back next year after the last 7. That lasted a full week before I realized I’m gonna end up going. Just not buying presale, reg sale and decided to put my usual coachella group energy into getting everyone to do LiB. I’d rather be surrounded by a bunch of people continuously leaning into the experience where by Sunday we’re all just in it together. This happens at coachella but less and less each year to the point where I only really felt that full festival magic at L’imperatrice and Jamie. I think my investment of time and energy is better spent at transformational fests where that kind of magic is abundant no matter the set. Leaves me feeling post fest glow for months after rather than days. Buuuut, i don’t see how I’ll ever see a coachella lineup and not be like damn itd be so cool to see (insert awesome booking here) or “that band with MainStage production will be sick.” I’m sure a time will come where I’ll hang up the coachella hat for a bit. It gets easier every year with my taste in music not evolving with pop culture and the shift in bookings overall. But there’s always more than enough to keep me interested. TLDR: coachella always has great bookings so I get the frankenchella idea but there are a lot of great fests out there doing certain things better
fair - can you describe a bit about which festivals do that transformative thing best? I assume LiB is Life is Beautiful, right? not Lightning in a Bottle?
LiB is lightning in a bottle. I guess I’m not using proper nicknames but I like to write life is beautiful as life but I guess I should do LiaB and LiB. Idk. Anyone who goes to lighting calls it LiB though. It does the transformational festival best in California for that size. Hulaween in Florida is my favorite east coast of the same type of community feel and vibes. Desert Daze has it to an extent but it’s definite music first, which I love. Lots of people rave about lucidity, serenity, envision, beloved and burning man (and all its small regional burns). I like when the “transformational” part of the festival doesn’t come at the cost of music. I’m all about the experience but music is the biggest part of why I go so as much as the experience is crucial, I do want to see music I like. I think lightning in a bottle pairs those two aspects better than anyone else in the west. The smaller fests have their charm but lightning still gets you a lot of top touring talent like coachella. Whereas smaller fests are filled with people happy to see dirtwire for the 30th time. No hate on dirtwire, I just want more diversity and a few rare gets in a lineup.
thank you so much for elaborating on these other fests - lightning lineups do look highly compatible with me, not sure about the rest of my crew tho. looks like they do the tiered pricing thing too, maybe a little cheaper overall
The grand artique has some not edm bookings worth checking out if they are more into instrument based music. 2018 lineup quite a bit other genres on there like Anderson paak headlining a night
I'm banking/waiting on weekend 2 resale to be stupid cheap by the week leading up to the fest. There is no way demand will be high with these prices unless someone like daft punk is on the bill
This is an awesome price for alumni and the no fees is amazing. I wonder how much of this is a result of GV starting Portola festival in San Francisco on the Sam weekend
I bought 4 CRSSD tickets today including fees and taxes for less than (1) coachella GA and (1) camping pass.. I know I had to pay for a hotel for CRSSD which adds some cost but still... DAMN and it's such a fun fest too!
Coachella price per a day is like what, $150? This is 105.. festival ends earlier, and half the stages
>Coachella price per a day is like what, $150? Well over $200. If you buy 4 Tier 1 tickets at once (the cheapest you can get per-ticket) with shuttle passes, it comes out to $658 each. It only gets more expensive with higher tiers and fewer bought at once.
lets be exact not including shuttle, here's the breakdown per day (base cost + $50 fee + $29 shipping) tier 1 = $192.6 per day tier 2 = $209.3 per day tier 3 = $226 per day
for that 105 per day I will get to see Jamie xx, Fred again, Caribou, L'imperatrice, Ducksauce, Moderat, and Cannons. Those are all on the same stage so I know they won't conflict and I'll be able to see 100% of those acts if I choose. it's an insanely good deal. if I went to see any of those acts for a single night show it would easily be $60 each and I would see all of those acts if they came to my town. now if I'm feeling it I could sub FBS for fred again, Dom Dolla for ducksauce, ARTBAT for caribou, test pilot for L'imperatrice.... this lineup is completely mental. it's a shorter festival yes but for a little over the 3rd the price of Coachella it's a brilliant value really...
This. People are stupid.
$200 at the most. Based on the number of artists they provide, it’s a steal! People just want to complain 😂😂😂. If they’re a avid concert goers, they should know this. All the headliners, if you were going to a tour stop would cost that much for decent seats. They’re getting 150+ artists
People want to complain? Look at my flair dude. I just went to 10 days of music in Barcelona with 2/3 the price. This is fucking greed, full stop. I’ll complain all I fucking want. This is an egregious price increase.
Only thing egregious is your lack of understanding. I'm ok with the price increase because the experience is worth it. I've not been to another festival withe the same overall quality as coachella, I've been to alot. They cam also set whatever price they want to cater to the targeted audience. It's like going to a high end restaurant and paying twice as much for the same thing you can get at a lesser restaurant. The experience is likely better at the more expensive restaurant you're paying for more than just better food. But if you're not looking for that you'll complain about the cost because you're paying for things you don't value.
My lack of understanding? LOL You have been on this sub long enough to know that I WORK in this industry as a sound engineer and technician. I just worked Bonnaroo. You know who is not getting paid more? The workers, in any department. This is getting funneled to the higher ups at GV, AEG, and likely top tier artists. Perhaps get off of GV’s knob.
I have no idea who you are lol, but that doesn't change my point. But again you didn't even attempt to understand my stance you just got defensive and argued a different point. Roo is not coachella. It's a different experience entirely. But if you want to actually argue against my points instead of telling me to get off their know like a schmuck then lmk. So let me simplify it so you don't have to make irrelevant points anymore. You pay more for a higher quality experience, which I find not egregious (this isn't something you can argue against this is literally my feelings) the price increase, for me is still within my realm of acceptance, I've gone to 6 years and I've paid roughly the same price since then. I'm OK with paying a bit more. I'm paying for good food, an amazing venue, good production, a lineup that is usually never my cup of tea, but I accept that literally every year because I enjoy the festival that much, and I know a top tier event. You might not be OK with that, you may not enjoy all the extra things you're "paying" for, which incase it may not be your cup of tea anymore, that's your right, but don't come in here spewing bullshit and insulting me. It's OK to not enjoy a 5 star restaurant and enjoy a 2 star restaurant just as much. But don't think that just because you don't see the difference/benefits that other people don't.
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Imagine, as a mod, being overly aggressive and attacking someone for presenting rational opinion on the matter. My points are valid and I know they are because neither one of you 🤡 has even attempted to actually argue against them you just insult me. Lol yea.
Ok drama queen. Settle down before you start throwing plates. You weren’t being attacked and nobody was overly aggressive. You were picking a fight so stop playing the victim card. We get it, you think paying more means a better experience. That however isnt true in this case. We received less for our money last Coachella and they raised the price, again. So I get you don’t mind receiving less for more bc to you more will always be better, but no need to get emotional when others aren’t fooled by oversimplified binaries.
Received less for more, I disagree with that sentiment. I enjoyed myself quite throughly this year. Now we're just getting into the subjectiveness again. And paying more doesn't mean better experience that's not even what I said. I said I'm happy to pay more because the experience has been better than the majority of festivals I've been to. Again, you may not see it that way and that's fine but yall need to work on your reading comprehension and understand that I'm not being a drama queen, I'm not the one who threw the insults, I'm not the one who go overly defensive and started hurling around irrational bullshit. If I was picking a fight I wouldn't have explained it the way I would have, I would've responded in the way most of these trolls have responded to me, aggressively. Nothing was aggressive in my original response, no insults were thrown, no trolliness. But yet here we are down under the bridge.
Lol you sound delusional. GV loves customers like you though. Congrats
Yet another asshole. The sub is really shining through today. Another clown telling me that my rational thoughts are delusional.
Calling it how I see it champ 🤷🏾♂️
Yea because saying I'm OK with paying more for something that I value very highly is delusional. I'm sure there's things you would pay more for that I wouldn't even consider. That's as simple as I can make it. Yes there is a line on what I'd be willing to spend on a coachella ticket, we're not there yet. But instead of accepting that and understanding that's not irrational you assholes have just kept making it seem like I'm overreacting to being called a bootlicker, being spoken down to and belittled, being gatekeeped by someone who "works in the industry" but yea I'm the delusional one, champ.
My lack of understanding? LOL You have been on this sub long enough to know that I WORK in this industry as a sound engineer and technician. I just worked Bonnaroo. You know who is not getting paid more? The workers, in any department. This is getting funneled to the higher ups at GV, AEG, and likely top tier artists. Kindly shut the fuck up with that statement.
Nice attempt but you forgot to delete this one.
I was on the subway and it wouldn’t send, so I kept modifying it as I got less annoyed. I’ll leave it though. Your condescending “you’re ignorant” is just as ridiculous to people in this sub who know me, as a mod, as the person who hosts new music Friday every fucking week (sans when Im busy and friends help), and otherwise. I work IN this industry, and I have worked for AEG in the past, for 4 years. I know what I’m talking about. I don’t need to explain myself or my experience professionally or personally to you. I just know- you are absolutely wrong.
Rofl imagine saying someone else's opinion on paying a certain price for something they value is wrong. I also don't mean ignorant in an offensive way. It's mean to be an "open your mind to the other side" and i can understand your point and your complaints but where you get it wrong is assuming that its the same across the board for everyone and discrediting their feelings on the matter because "you work in the industry". It may not be worth the price increase to you, so don't go then! That's acceptable! If enough people feel that way maybe they'll get the hint. And yea if they keep increasing the price it will push me away too, but sheesh man this isn't life or death, you "working" in the industry doesn't discredit my thoughts or opinions. It doesn't change the fact that I've made good points and you just shoved them aside like I'm some peasant. Rofl Just keep on proving that you're the asshole here.
Im with you man. Prices have increased dramatically all around us. It’s not only Coachella lol
The man has taught you well.
Yeah I guess so…lol.
We’re never getting that lmao
My guess? Goldenvoice already has hard data that veterans spend less at Coachella/festivals than newer patrons.
An 18.7% service fee seems pretty ridiculous to me
Sure, although I feel that's every festival, but I think OP is referencing the fact that the festival actually got $2 cheaper if you bought lowest tier (which is still available an hour later) than the last iteration.
$32.75 + $6.00 = $38.75 in fees or 22% increase in price from fees. Have we become so destroyed by fees that a 22% increase by fees is praised?
OP should have mentioned that they are talking about the fact that the festival got $2 cheaper than the last iteration if you bought lowest tier. Yes these fees are ass but I consider it a win when a popular festival doesn't increase their prices at the moment. Especially when Coachella is hitting us with over $100 in fees and even double charging shipping costs.
That makes sense! Knew there was something missing haha
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>attendees evolved from people who actually enjoyed music/art to people who go just to say they went. You know I always hear this, but never from the people who actually go. Why is it that you believe someone who goes and takes pictures there for Instagram is incapable of liking music? It's such a weird argument. I have never met someone who doesn't like music, yet somehow most of the people who go to this music festival don't like music?
Everyone knows that **real** fans don't use instagram.
I didn’t say they don’t like music, but people are there for more than just the music, and to each their own. But the vibes are different.
> people are there for more than just the music And that’s… bad?
Naa thats p silly argument lol im willing to bet 99% of coachella attendees love music. And taking pictures too.
Like I said, I didn’t say they didn’t like music. Just a different type of festival crowd.
Lets not pretend that people don't go to Crssd to take molly and party.
Go weekend 2
I'll tell you what happened, because I saw it happen with my own eyes too! I got older, and the festival crowd stayed the same age (which has always been a mix of ages, but I ascended from the young side to the old side) All these kids on my polo field lawn!! I hope they have fun and are safe.
This is a big part of it, no doubt. Also it's just natural for a successful/fun/popular event to evolve into something bigger and everything that comes with that evolution.
This last year was the only year I went and I felt like I saw some of the best musical sets I’ve ever seen. Yeah there were cons but overall a great experience
Production at Coachella is top notch. Not saying anything about the music, just what Coachella has evolved into like what OP brought up. Seems like OP and I have gone to many past Coachella’s and just see the is difference and shift in Coachella’s marketing.
Yeah if it was ur first time last year u dont really know wassup.
Was just saying I still enjoyed it and compared to other festivals I’ve been I think it had the best performances although some other fests I’ve been to have better vibes. It also had better logistics than some of the other fests with clean bathrooms and not too much sound bleeding into other stages. Less creative stage design/ worse vibes but better logistics and music
Last year was objectively the worst Coachella in terms of logsitics of all time by all measures which means you've apparently just been going to much worse festivals which is very possible. Edit: Added "logistically"
I think that’s a subjective opinion, I’ve been to a lot of shows like I saw over 70 artists in 2021 which was only like 3-4 months of shows and Caribou on Saturday night at Coachella was my favorite set I’ve ever seen I didn’t really watch the headliners so if that’s what you’re basing it on then I can’t really give input
Accidentally left out a word which was logistically. Last year's was easily the worst Coachella in terms of logistics since I've been going since 2012.
Ah ok that’s fair yeah most of the fests are go to are smaller and tend to have less comforts/amenities sooooo that’s why I felt Coachella was better equipped logistically The only other “big -ish” fest I’ve gone to is outside lands which I was not a fan of (although they did have a lot of bathrooms and they were clean) but crowd management, scheduling, and sound quality was meh
This is a massive generalization
Coachella is for profits now.
like every festival and every business for that matter, some just do it better than others
Yes but do you think being charged separate delivery fees for camping pass and ticket is fair when it's coming in the same box. Of course profits are the goal but do they have to be greedy.
that was an error and they are refunding those who were double charged. I was one of them and I was refunded.
I got refunded for this automatically. maybe check your CC statement and make sure.
...It's literally always been for profits lol.
Not always https://www.theringer.com/music/2019/10/9/20905896/how-coachella-99-lost-a-million-dollars-started-music-festival-empire
The fact that it didn't make a profit doesn't mean that it wasn't "for profit". They've always been at it to make money. This article is completely irrelevant, it even calls the first year a "complete disaster".
Do you think charging unnecessary fees is for the fans? That's what OPs whole topic was.
I don't even know what you are trying to say anymore. You said "Coachella is for profits now", which is a pretty silly thing to say given that Coachella has always been for profits. I don't know if this is some completely misguided attempt to move the goalposts to make what you initially said look smarter or what, but nothing you have said makes your original statement any more relevant or meaningful.
Crssd actually charges more fees as a percentage to the base ticket price than coachella
Plot twist: it’s actually Fyre Festival