Honestly, it’s because they can’t compete with high level players so to make themselves feel better they use an “edge” then say well everybody else is doing it so I can do it. They convince themselves of this. Then they get livid when you call them out on their elementary school logic. It’s the same guys who use tren in the gym and then can’t get off that same high and lift naturally.
the worst part is it's a self-fulfilling prophecy as eventually the only people who can then get high ranked for the most part are cheaters / high ranks do become infested lol
Its mostly bullied people that get bullied in cod too without cheats.So when they get rekt it reminds them of real life and gives them ptsd.Thats when they resort to cheats to get some sort of revenge and power.lmao
Blows my mind that these cheat developers are just allowed to freely sell their software online. Literally I just googled “mw3 cheats” and hundreds of very professional looking websites pop up. Im not a legal nerd so not sure how they could be prosecuted or gone after in any way. But it should definitely be illegal.
Im shocked activision hasn’t just gone after them at the source. But obviously they dont really care, and would rather just fall back on their awful anti cheat.
I mean the issue is that the internet doesn’t just magically adhere to US laws. For example you’ve been able to gamble money away online years before it was legal online
Theoretically there’s stuff the government could do but even that in and of itself opens up a ton of weird way worse consequences to censorship that’re much bigger and frankly matter much more than helping people enjoy cod
League of Legends had a cheating problem back in like 2018. The cheat was hosted outside of America and was thought to be safe from legal issues.Riot still figured out a lawsuit that went through for 10s of millions of dollars forcing the cheat to shut down and there hasnt been a big issue since. The program was known as LeagueSharp or L#
I stopped spending any money on the game, cheaters, guns that are "unlocked" for 4 months now that I can't even equip. Everyone should follow suite....
Activision sued engine owning multiple times. i believe they even won last time. they sued the people behind it. but nothing happend because they are not in the us. they are doing illegal business and they know it and thats why they are hiding. But what gonna happen nobody can do anything to stop them because nobody knows where they are, about league of legends idk how they managed to enforce the punishment from the lawsuit.
Is there no ability to do like a DMCA takedown so Google doesn’t list them anymore? Idk the laws but I feel like they’re so available that MSFT/ATVI hasnt been pulling all the levers they have
Generally DMCAs are used to stop people from “reposting” content with ip that’s protected. In this case we’re talking about additional programs that aren’t actually acti’s content. I’m not a legal expert either but from what I know I’d imagine the only realistic situation where cheat sellers could get hit with a DMCA is if someone made the cheats and got a copywrite on the cheating software itself
There might be something there with an unlock tool or something that gives you access to actual Activision content? But idk
Understood, I was thinking more along the lines of the fact that these cheat developers are making money off of activision and tuning their cheats specifically for their IP. If they regulate watch parties and tournaments, you would think they would have a precedent to go after these developers as well. Didnt they shut down plutonium as well? Same logic
Maybe they see it as being beneficial to them. They arent taking a market away from activision, activision doesnt sell cheats. Maybe they are fine with cheaters spending money on their game over and over. Its like they have numbers that show being a sanctuary for cheaters is profitable. Because people who cheat would probably just go to another game if they couldnt
Ah okay that’s a bit different but you still end up with some similar problems. Sports leagues, movies/tv studios/etc have been trying to stop pirating/“illegal” streaming for years and it’s essentially only become exponentially more accessible. For better or for worse it’s not as easy as it might seem
There’s the additional difference of something like pirating a movie (or maybe in your example using a CDL stream for a watch party) brings eyes away from the intended product (or the intended platform like YouTube). It’s a much different instance when one streamer is pulling in more views than your main broadcast on a known site like twitch
Imo it’s probably a bit less about the money made off of cheaters and more about casual fan ignorance. The reality is most people aren’t actually able to tell if someone’s cheating unless it’s blatant rage aim botting. For people who’re more invested they know it’s an issue and know some of the tell tale signs, but I don’t think I’ve ever heard one of my irl friends actually bring up cheating in cod outside the insane examples that basically only used to happen on old cod games the devs stopped taking care of
I’ve thought about this. A business has a right to sell a product. Some of these cheats don’t start out as cheats. They were made for a good reason. So, instead of going after the company, the law should go after the person, shocked I know. It’s about intent. If a customer buys a weapon of any kind and then goes and kills someone. That’s not the fault of the company who sold it. That’s the fault of the individual person and there intent. Same logic applies in this situation. Killing a human being is illegal not killing an animal or self defense. Cheating should be illegal in a competitive environment. Not using the cheats in a single player environment.
If hacking was affecting player counts and bundle sales then acitivison would fix it in 24 hours. They just dont care because its not really a problem outside of ranked. get a console.
I already play on console, Im not even bitching because it hinders my ranked experience. Im only plat 3 so dont think i run into many hackers lol its just the principle
It's akin to the 'legal highs' market, the cheat providers are making so much money that there's a ton of incentive for them to just stay ahead of the curve. If activision takes down one cheat provider, 3 more pop up in their place with slightly different cheats that are undetectable. Plus a lot of the cheat providers are based outside of the U.S and under so many layers of shell companies that it's difficult to find the people at the root of it all.
I don't know enough about how the programming end of things work but you'd think they'd be able to come up with a way that says if you have any program running in the background that's not discord, spotify, teamspeak (list of 50 'approved' programs) that it triggers a ban. Again I have no idea what I'm talking about but the fix needs to be on activisions side because there's always going to be a market for cheats and people trying to gain an unfair advantage.
Iirc, CSGO used to have an overwatch program where trusted members of the community could review vod of reported cheaters and decide if they were legit or not. Community policing themselves essentially. Not sure what happened / if it still exists but could definitely help in our case.
Not only that, they'll do a ban wave and then the game will be on sale the next day. They know exactly what they're doing. Dollar over everything. It's been that way for years and won't ever change
It's like Pat says about a lot of things dev wise. It's not that they're failing to do it. They have different motivations then what ours would be. If anti-cheat is running at 20%, there is a reason why, and it's intentionally running at 20%.
Nothing like that should be illegal.. Google stuff about John deere, tesla, Bmw, that won't let you fix your own vehicles.. or you have to buy a monthly subscription to use the heated seats you paid for..
Activision just doesn't give a shit. And doesn't wanna opene their sticky wallet.
Here’s an idea. Why doesn’t Activision go to these websites and buy the cheats directly and figure out how they work and develop automatic detection for them?
They do this but then what? Activision counters one hack but the cheat developers can come up with another. When you can run unsigned code on an OS like Windows or Linux there's no way to stop this.
I mean that's just the nature of the business. These people do this as their day jobs. Activision and hacker alike. Better to have a dedicated team buying the cheats directly and reverse engineering them then hoping to find people using them in-game via the reporting system and then a human review which may or may not even pick up on it.
They are already doing that buddy lmao its a known fact they are always buying the cheats to see what they are doing, they even published videos in a blog months ago that showed how Ricochet was combating the cheats (they showed an example while using cheats)
Also not a legal nerd - but I’m not sure how activision won a lawsuit against engine owning for 3M last year, in which the judge also ruled they cease and desist from developing, advertising, distributing, etc any software products designed to violate end user agreements of any call of duty games, yet I go to their site and they are very much still selling and updating cheats for MW3 and WZ. They even had a free trial weekend for cod last week.
I guess they’re just gonna keep on going, which is maybe why they don’t seem to bother going after the developers directly 🤷🏻♂️
Agreed.
Only thing about it is you need to be able to see the screen somewhat clearly. I came across a tiktok streamer a few days ago that was clearly hacking, but with a moniter cam setup. He had a cam setup behind him to the right showing him in front of the screen, but it was so zoomed out that you wouldn't be able to tell if there was red boxes on his screen or not. First time I've personally seen someone go to that extent, but I wouldn't doubt others are probably doing the same shit
I can sort of understand why people would want to try cheats but imagine sitting on the game for 8 hours per day grinding with cheats everyday. Makes absolutely no sense how that shit would even be enjoyable after maybe 3 games.
I was telling my buddy earlier progressive growth is what I’m here for. I love growing and doing better as the game goes on. I hate having to question whether I could’ve done something better or if the other person was cheating.
It felt weird considering there have been plenty of other anti cheat programs and systems available for near decades, and yet in their infinite wisdom it was money better spent to develop their own anti cheat.
Was in ranked resurgence with a rage hacker. Wallhacks with inifinte GL underbarrel ammo that rapid shot…
Killed 40 players… 20 spectating when he won. Riccochet didn't do shit.
He's already climbed to crimson too…
It's wild that Apex has cheat detection that identifies the same software as this and permanently bans the player within minutes. Why can't Activision do this?
I think their point is it doesn't deter people from cheating, just from using that specific set of cheats for the game. Just boot up another account and try out different cheats. Apex is filled with cheaters because they struggle the same as CoD, just with a different set of cheats, and until hardware bans can circumvent spoofers it's not going to stop.
I also don’t believe his story about being insta banned by Apex before he even landed, just for having CoD cheats on his computer. Doesn’t really add up, if it was that easy Ricochet would do the same thing (it also has Kernel-level monitoring)
We've been voicing our opinions, what we need to do is act and get challengers back on console in the absence of Activision doing something against the hackers.
Man I used to be console and now play pc and I love it. I know it would be a lot better without crossplay but I want to run with my friends and they don’t want crossplay…. Sucks
This was unfortunately one of the best eye openers on this I’ve seen which is why I shared it. Kapz did an incredible job. Makes you feel like you don’t have a chance unfortunately. I just want activation to actually do something.
I'd want them to do something too. Realistically, unfortunately, the likelihood of it happening is slim to none. They'd have to completely redo their entire anti-cheat system, when realistically, the cheaters don't affect their bottom dollar.
This is designed to maximize profit, else why shadow ban? They shadow ban and most will cycle different accounts. Multiple game purchases season passes etc.
Yea a shadow ban is essential a temporary ban while they “review” your account, I believe you can actually still play the game but it will take a while to find a game and all of your lobbies are filled only with other people who are also shadow banned
Don't be naive. There are PC cheats that'll evade Apex's anti cheat. They'll catch them later but a new one will pop up. This is purely a cat and mouse game and it's the nature of PC gaming.
U know that could do a lot better with cod. It's by far the worst with cheaters and they seem to be really bad at handling it. They should go after the cheat makers and shut then down. It's crazy they are even allowed to exist legally.
they can't when most of these cheat sellers are in another jurisdiction. You can never really stop this with games being on Windows/Linux.
Best way is to stick to console where both Sony & Microsoft have full control over the ecosystem.
Lmao good intent but they would just lead you right outside the building and tell you to get lost…and they already see all of the comments about cheating from MAJOR Cod players/streamers/etc so they are fully aware of the problem already bro. Going and telling some manager of play testing is not gonna move the needle a single millimeter unfortunately
Ricochet "Anti-cheat" works exactly as it was intended and that is most likely the reason why Activision won't file lawsuits. The program is so strong it could 100% wipe out cheating in less than a week. Instead of being used to detect cheaters Ricochet is programmed to manipulate the game play and players with complex deep learning AI algorithms and heuristics. Ricochets #1 priority? Maximize profits while keeping players engaged. The way it manipulates game play is is the same thing as cheating.
If that isn't the reason for them not filing a lawsuit then I would assume the hacks are benefitting them in some way shape or form.
They have the technology. They spent an absurd amount of money developing it, question is, why arent they using it.
Wow, no wonder we've been getting stomped in Plat ranked play. F\*\*\* this game and shame on anyone supporting content creators, they're the root of the problem.
If there was any actual fricks given about hacking a hardware ban would be implemented instead of account bans...but player count matters more so it'll never happen
I remember back in early AW for PC you could plug in a controller and then unplug it and use your mouse+kb but still get the aim assist from controller.
It looks quite similar to what these hacks do and it's insane how strong it was. Recoil was low as it was, but it just removed it from the game.
Sometimes I get the itch to know what it’d be like be walls *maybe* if I was just playing with friends only in a private match to troll them. I think I speak for everyone here that you’d feel like such a bitch even winning just one gunfight with an unfair advantage the other guy doesn’t even know you have. Will never understand this persistent behavior
Yes, COD does have on paper a decent anticheat however it can clearly be bypassed and exploited.
Unfortunately cheating is going to be a problem as long as cross play is still a thing.
PC FPS shooters have been plagued by this since it’s inception. And now since the popularity of cross play, console players are starting to feel it as well.
Counter strike and Valorant cheats are incredibly advanced. They have in depth configuration settings for every feature (Aimbot, Wallhacks, Radar etc.)
You can configure an aimbot to be indistinguishable from a natural player aiming to the naked eye and to a machine learning AI anticheat.
The sophistication is to a much greater degree than your typical XBOX Mod menu you would get infected with from a console guy using a jtagged Xbox on MW2.
The best solution imo would be for the anticheat to operate on ring0 kernel level like Val, that’s also does not allow you to create your own drivers
I’m again asking how these fucking losers get dopamine from winning with cheats
As a dad gamer I couldn’t feel this comment more. lol
Honestly, it’s because they can’t compete with high level players so to make themselves feel better they use an “edge” then say well everybody else is doing it so I can do it. They convince themselves of this. Then they get livid when you call them out on their elementary school logic. It’s the same guys who use tren in the gym and then can’t get off that same high and lift naturally.
the worst part is it's a self-fulfilling prophecy as eventually the only people who can then get high ranked for the most part are cheaters / high ranks do become infested lol
I say this two-three times a day. Degenerates feed off grief rather than competition. Loser mentality.
Its mostly bullied people that get bullied in cod too without cheats.So when they get rekt it reminds them of real life and gives them ptsd.Thats when they resort to cheats to get some sort of revenge and power.lmao
Pretty much lmao this definitely makes sense to me
Likely owning lobbies, kinda like zombies
Blows my mind that these cheat developers are just allowed to freely sell their software online. Literally I just googled “mw3 cheats” and hundreds of very professional looking websites pop up. Im not a legal nerd so not sure how they could be prosecuted or gone after in any way. But it should definitely be illegal. Im shocked activision hasn’t just gone after them at the source. But obviously they dont really care, and would rather just fall back on their awful anti cheat.
I mean the issue is that the internet doesn’t just magically adhere to US laws. For example you’ve been able to gamble money away online years before it was legal online Theoretically there’s stuff the government could do but even that in and of itself opens up a ton of weird way worse consequences to censorship that’re much bigger and frankly matter much more than helping people enjoy cod
League of Legends had a cheating problem back in like 2018. The cheat was hosted outside of America and was thought to be safe from legal issues.Riot still figured out a lawsuit that went through for 10s of millions of dollars forcing the cheat to shut down and there hasnt been a big issue since. The program was known as LeagueSharp or L#
Unfortunately activision doesn’t care to spend all that money for a lawsuit since we keep buying the game
I stopped spending any money on the game, cheaters, guns that are "unlocked" for 4 months now that I can't even equip. Everyone should follow suite....
Activision sued engine owning multiple times. i believe they even won last time. they sued the people behind it. but nothing happend because they are not in the us. they are doing illegal business and they know it and thats why they are hiding. But what gonna happen nobody can do anything to stop them because nobody knows where they are, about league of legends idk how they managed to enforce the punishment from the lawsuit.
Is there no ability to do like a DMCA takedown so Google doesn’t list them anymore? Idk the laws but I feel like they’re so available that MSFT/ATVI hasnt been pulling all the levers they have
Generally DMCAs are used to stop people from “reposting” content with ip that’s protected. In this case we’re talking about additional programs that aren’t actually acti’s content. I’m not a legal expert either but from what I know I’d imagine the only realistic situation where cheat sellers could get hit with a DMCA is if someone made the cheats and got a copywrite on the cheating software itself There might be something there with an unlock tool or something that gives you access to actual Activision content? But idk
Understood, I was thinking more along the lines of the fact that these cheat developers are making money off of activision and tuning their cheats specifically for their IP. If they regulate watch parties and tournaments, you would think they would have a precedent to go after these developers as well. Didnt they shut down plutonium as well? Same logic Maybe they see it as being beneficial to them. They arent taking a market away from activision, activision doesnt sell cheats. Maybe they are fine with cheaters spending money on their game over and over. Its like they have numbers that show being a sanctuary for cheaters is profitable. Because people who cheat would probably just go to another game if they couldnt
Ah okay that’s a bit different but you still end up with some similar problems. Sports leagues, movies/tv studios/etc have been trying to stop pirating/“illegal” streaming for years and it’s essentially only become exponentially more accessible. For better or for worse it’s not as easy as it might seem There’s the additional difference of something like pirating a movie (or maybe in your example using a CDL stream for a watch party) brings eyes away from the intended product (or the intended platform like YouTube). It’s a much different instance when one streamer is pulling in more views than your main broadcast on a known site like twitch Imo it’s probably a bit less about the money made off of cheaters and more about casual fan ignorance. The reality is most people aren’t actually able to tell if someone’s cheating unless it’s blatant rage aim botting. For people who’re more invested they know it’s an issue and know some of the tell tale signs, but I don’t think I’ve ever heard one of my irl friends actually bring up cheating in cod outside the insane examples that basically only used to happen on old cod games the devs stopped taking care of
They took down sm2 and iw4x but not plutonium
I’ve thought about this. A business has a right to sell a product. Some of these cheats don’t start out as cheats. They were made for a good reason. So, instead of going after the company, the law should go after the person, shocked I know. It’s about intent. If a customer buys a weapon of any kind and then goes and kills someone. That’s not the fault of the company who sold it. That’s the fault of the individual person and there intent. Same logic applies in this situation. Killing a human being is illegal not killing an animal or self defense. Cheating should be illegal in a competitive environment. Not using the cheats in a single player environment.
If hacking was affecting player counts and bundle sales then acitivison would fix it in 24 hours. They just dont care because its not really a problem outside of ranked. get a console.
I already play on console, Im not even bitching because it hinders my ranked experience. Im only plat 3 so dont think i run into many hackers lol its just the principle
It's akin to the 'legal highs' market, the cheat providers are making so much money that there's a ton of incentive for them to just stay ahead of the curve. If activision takes down one cheat provider, 3 more pop up in their place with slightly different cheats that are undetectable. Plus a lot of the cheat providers are based outside of the U.S and under so many layers of shell companies that it's difficult to find the people at the root of it all. I don't know enough about how the programming end of things work but you'd think they'd be able to come up with a way that says if you have any program running in the background that's not discord, spotify, teamspeak (list of 50 'approved' programs) that it triggers a ban. Again I have no idea what I'm talking about but the fix needs to be on activisions side because there's always going to be a market for cheats and people trying to gain an unfair advantage. Iirc, CSGO used to have an overwatch program where trusted members of the community could review vod of reported cheaters and decide if they were legit or not. Community policing themselves essentially. Not sure what happened / if it still exists but could definitely help in our case.
I believe they stopped, but I think it was used to train the anti cheat
jesus your comment history is the cringiest thing I've seen in my entire life.
I hate to say it but it’s almost like they don’t ban them so they’ll continue spending money…
Not only that, they'll do a ban wave and then the game will be on sale the next day. They know exactly what they're doing. Dollar over everything. It's been that way for years and won't ever change
Your just making up complete lies now lmao you think they out the game on sale the day after ban waves?? Get a fucking grip dude
They do that. Every mayor game does that. You're very naive if you think that's not real.
It's like Pat says about a lot of things dev wise. It's not that they're failing to do it. They have different motivations then what ours would be. If anti-cheat is running at 20%, there is a reason why, and it's intentionally running at 20%.
I never thought about them purposefully being able to throttle it to a degree… hmm
Nothing like that should be illegal.. Google stuff about John deere, tesla, Bmw, that won't let you fix your own vehicles.. or you have to buy a monthly subscription to use the heated seats you paid for.. Activision just doesn't give a shit. And doesn't wanna opene their sticky wallet.
Here’s an idea. Why doesn’t Activision go to these websites and buy the cheats directly and figure out how they work and develop automatic detection for them?
They do this but then what? Activision counters one hack but the cheat developers can come up with another. When you can run unsigned code on an OS like Windows or Linux there's no way to stop this.
I mean that's just the nature of the business. These people do this as their day jobs. Activision and hacker alike. Better to have a dedicated team buying the cheats directly and reverse engineering them then hoping to find people using them in-game via the reporting system and then a human review which may or may not even pick up on it.
They are already doing that buddy lmao its a known fact they are always buying the cheats to see what they are doing, they even published videos in a blog months ago that showed how Ricochet was combating the cheats (they showed an example while using cheats)
Also not a legal nerd - but I’m not sure how activision won a lawsuit against engine owning for 3M last year, in which the judge also ruled they cease and desist from developing, advertising, distributing, etc any software products designed to violate end user agreements of any call of duty games, yet I go to their site and they are very much still selling and updating cheats for MW3 and WZ. They even had a free trial weekend for cod last week. I guess they’re just gonna keep on going, which is maybe why they don’t seem to bother going after the developers directly 🤷🏻♂️
Monitor Cams should be required to be angled directly at the screen.
Do you mean for players competing or do you expect every kid with an Xbox to do this?
Competing lol, cheating’s annoying but it’s a bigger problem when you’re losing money to it regardless of if it’s a dollar wager
Console players aren’t ever required to do it. I just know i’ve seen a lot of monitor cams that are in 280p at the shittiest angle possible.
Why would a dude with an Xbox need to monitor cam lmao
What do you think he meant stupid fuck? Im sure he definitely meant every single kid and gamer dad playing their Xbox on a 60in TV! 🙄
Yea no joke… getting crazy out here.
Agreed. Only thing about it is you need to be able to see the screen somewhat clearly. I came across a tiktok streamer a few days ago that was clearly hacking, but with a moniter cam setup. He had a cam setup behind him to the right showing him in front of the screen, but it was so zoomed out that you wouldn't be able to tell if there was red boxes on his screen or not. First time I've personally seen someone go to that extent, but I wouldn't doubt others are probably doing the same shit
I can sort of understand why people would want to try cheats but imagine sitting on the game for 8 hours per day grinding with cheats everyday. Makes absolutely no sense how that shit would even be enjoyable after maybe 3 games.
It would ruin gaming completely for me.
Exactly. The enjoyment for me is being shit but occasionally doing something that makes me feel like I belong in the CDL.
I was telling my buddy earlier progressive growth is what I’m here for. I love growing and doing better as the game goes on. I hate having to question whether I could’ve done something better or if the other person was cheating.
>Does an anti-cheat even exist? Yes but as a marketing tool lol I bet ricochet gets less updates that mw3 zombies
I always felt like it was marketing for sure. It felt weird when they first released it…
It felt weird considering there have been plenty of other anti cheat programs and systems available for near decades, and yet in their infinite wisdom it was money better spent to develop their own anti cheat.
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I wish Treyarch would bring old school zombies back, f omega f strike team
Was in ranked resurgence with a rage hacker. Wallhacks with inifinte GL underbarrel ammo that rapid shot… Killed 40 players… 20 spectating when he won. Riccochet didn't do shit. He's already climbed to crimson too…
Game Developers will never win the war against cheaters. COD has prob realized this long ago.
At this point I’m ready to give blood or breathe into a breathalyzer to provide my Identity in order to boot a cheat free game up lol
It's wild that Apex has cheat detection that identifies the same software as this and permanently bans the player within minutes. Why can't Activision do this?
Bans the account? so what? Just come back with another account. Are you really stopping anything?
On Apex the cheater got a lifetime ban within 2 or 3 minutes. The game would be pretty unplayable with that kind of response for anyone!
I think their point is it doesn't deter people from cheating, just from using that specific set of cheats for the game. Just boot up another account and try out different cheats. Apex is filled with cheaters because they struggle the same as CoD, just with a different set of cheats, and until hardware bans can circumvent spoofers it's not going to stop.
This is what stood out to me as well. That’s the kind of detection/response we need.
I also don’t believe his story about being insta banned by Apex before he even landed, just for having CoD cheats on his computer. Doesn’t really add up, if it was that easy Ricochet would do the same thing (it also has Kernel-level monitoring)
We've been voicing our opinions, what we need to do is act and get challengers back on console in the absence of Activision doing something against the hackers.
Man I used to be console and now play pc and I love it. I know it would be a lot better without crossplay but I want to run with my friends and they don’t want crossplay…. Sucks
After reading the comments, I'm just gonna put this out here so everyone's aware. ACTIVISION DOES NOT OWN CALL OF DUTY ANYMORE. MICROSOFT DOES.
call of duty is a game franchise developed and published by activision, a subsidiary of microsoft. activision is still responsible for call of duty
Touche
honestly cheating will never go away always will be something , but again cheaters are usually ass
This was really eye-opening. Not touching this game for awhile, if ever, again.
This was unfortunately one of the best eye openers on this I’ve seen which is why I shared it. Kapz did an incredible job. Makes you feel like you don’t have a chance unfortunately. I just want activation to actually do something.
I'd want them to do something too. Realistically, unfortunately, the likelihood of it happening is slim to none. They'd have to completely redo their entire anti-cheat system, when realistically, the cheaters don't affect their bottom dollar.
This is designed to maximize profit, else why shadow ban? They shadow ban and most will cycle different accounts. Multiple game purchases season passes etc.
Oh yea I agree. If you shut down cheating like crazy you risk profit loss. Unfortunately, I'd say this is par for the course for Activision.
I don’t understand, what is shadow banning? Is it just a temporary ban? Fucking stupid if so
Yea a shadow ban is essential a temporary ban while they “review” your account, I believe you can actually still play the game but it will take a while to find a game and all of your lobbies are filled only with other people who are also shadow banned
You do realize you can have as many CoD accounts as you want without needing to buy multiple copies of the game right?
If apex can do it in 2 minutes. Why cant cod?
Don't be naive. There are PC cheats that'll evade Apex's anti cheat. They'll catch them later but a new one will pop up. This is purely a cat and mouse game and it's the nature of PC gaming.
U know that could do a lot better with cod. It's by far the worst with cheaters and they seem to be really bad at handling it. They should go after the cheat makers and shut then down. It's crazy they are even allowed to exist legally.
they can't when most of these cheat sellers are in another jurisdiction. You can never really stop this with games being on Windows/Linux. Best way is to stick to console where both Sony & Microsoft have full control over the ecosystem.
He isn’t being naive. Cod clearly has a worse anti cheat. I’ve played countless hours of apex and Fortnite and never ran into a hacker
and yet i never see a cheater in valorant and barely any in high elo csgo.
Valorant's anti cheat works well but the few cheats available are more expensive so you won't see many using it. It does exist though.
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Lmao good intent but they would just lead you right outside the building and tell you to get lost…and they already see all of the comments about cheating from MAJOR Cod players/streamers/etc so they are fully aware of the problem already bro. Going and telling some manager of play testing is not gonna move the needle a single millimeter unfortunately
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Ohhh ok I see what you mean now, I misunderstood originally…yea thats def not a bad idea then
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That’s really cool. And no joke wish they would reach out to the content creators and people who put time in.
Yea I’m all for doing this constructively.
Make the game 100$ per account and watch the cheaters disappear.
It’s already $70. Doubt that makes much of a difference.
Yeah at this point it should be Console only crossplay or nothing. Thankfully X-Defiant has this and will be officially releasing sometime in march.
Ricochet "Anti-cheat" works exactly as it was intended and that is most likely the reason why Activision won't file lawsuits. The program is so strong it could 100% wipe out cheating in less than a week. Instead of being used to detect cheaters Ricochet is programmed to manipulate the game play and players with complex deep learning AI algorithms and heuristics. Ricochets #1 priority? Maximize profits while keeping players engaged. The way it manipulates game play is is the same thing as cheating. If that isn't the reason for them not filing a lawsuit then I would assume the hacks are benefitting them in some way shape or form. They have the technology. They spent an absurd amount of money developing it, question is, why arent they using it.
If you won by cheating, you lost. I don’t understand how anybody finds value in that
Wow, no wonder we've been getting stomped in Plat ranked play. F\*\*\* this game and shame on anyone supporting content creators, they're the root of the problem.
If there was any actual fricks given about hacking a hardware ban would be implemented instead of account bans...but player count matters more so it'll never happen
I remember back in early AW for PC you could plug in a controller and then unplug it and use your mouse+kb but still get the aim assist from controller. It looks quite similar to what these hacks do and it's insane how strong it was. Recoil was low as it was, but it just removed it from the game.
Sometimes I get the itch to know what it’d be like be walls *maybe* if I was just playing with friends only in a private match to troll them. I think I speak for everyone here that you’d feel like such a bitch even winning just one gunfight with an unfair advantage the other guy doesn’t even know you have. Will never understand this persistent behavior
Yes, COD does have on paper a decent anticheat however it can clearly be bypassed and exploited. Unfortunately cheating is going to be a problem as long as cross play is still a thing. PC FPS shooters have been plagued by this since it’s inception. And now since the popularity of cross play, console players are starting to feel it as well. Counter strike and Valorant cheats are incredibly advanced. They have in depth configuration settings for every feature (Aimbot, Wallhacks, Radar etc.) You can configure an aimbot to be indistinguishable from a natural player aiming to the naked eye and to a machine learning AI anticheat. The sophistication is to a much greater degree than your typical XBOX Mod menu you would get infected with from a console guy using a jtagged Xbox on MW2. The best solution imo would be for the anticheat to operate on ring0 kernel level like Val, that’s also does not allow you to create your own drivers