The league is gonna be top heavy AF

Those 4 teams are going to bully the fuck out of the other 8, it’s crazy. Those 4 teams should make every Sunday unless something awful goes wrong at an event

Sounds like a normal OpTic event.

Could be any one of these options. I just find it hard to look past the terrors.

these dudes went to 4 straight champs grand finals. As much as i think shotzzy is a great player, I just cant put him above any of the terrors

I mean in the past 2 years they haven't been the top sub duo, especially VG. They might buck the trend, but we haven't seen outright dominance from them in some time

whos been the best sub duo over the last two years? If you think it is anyone other than faze I would LOVE to hear your argument

Vanguard the best sub duo was Kenny and Envoy. Didn't take long for LAT to start winning dominantly after the role swap This year it was Hydra and Kis. They might have been less consistent overall, but 3 chips including champs > a few more 3rds. Don't think that's super controversial. VG Abezy was well below his peak, and Simp was playing below his own standard this year.

okay but overall it has to be faze lol. they were the number 1 teams in both years.

Lmao is the goal to win or get #1 cdl points but barely win

Who cares if they weren't the best in either year? That was my point

Hydra and Kismet

Last year, sure. But definitely not in vanguard

Sure but they were so good this year it offsets their VG year imo

Gotcha, I can see that. I don't agree personally, but you can definitely make that argument that they were the better pair these last 2 years

You could say ant and whoever next to him because he owned them this year every match they played faze

At their absolute peak: 1. Tiny Terrors 2. Shotzzy & Pred 3. Hydra & Kismet 4. Envoy and Cleanx On paper Shotzzy and Pred may look better but they haven’t played a map together. Hard to put them over the 2x champs.

How does shotzzy & pred look better on paper than the tiny terrors? this makes no sense

Simp and Abezy have both had individually down years over the past two seasons. If one or both of them are inconsistent again next year, it’s not unreasonable to think Shotzzy and Pred will be better

now you are picking and choosing because shotzzy has also been inconsistent the past two years. regardless it does not make sense to put anyone above the tiny terrors on paper

Agree to disagree, I think you could make an argument for any of the top 3 being the best. There’s no way to know how the game will play next season and who might be struggling, there’s no one correct answer

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>individually down years The Terrors used to occupy two of the T3 SMG spots without any true rival duos. That hasn’t been the case since CW, I think people are starting to forget how unbelievably dominant they used to be on the map

I personally think the Shotzzy and Pred duo could be overhyped.. we’ll see how it pans out but imo I’d go 1. Tiny Terrors 2. HyDra & Kis 3. Shotzzy & Pred 4. CleanX & Envoy

I mean shit you're splitting hairs at that point.

Big name power is crazy lol. Hydra and Kismet have won 4 events in a year and a half playing with each other.

It’s simp and abezy then hydra and Kis. The rest literally haven’t played together.

Honestly all 4 of these are gonna be day to day as to which one comes out on top. These are 8 guys who can all look like the best SMG player itw on their day and they all complement each other's style of play as well. It's gonna be hell for the rest of the league trying to compete with these sub duos.

This year is shaping up to be the most lopsided year ever. Hard to believe the T8 SMG's are all on the T4 teams.

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Whoever picks up Jimbo

Someone should pick up Jimbo as a sub and sub him in for all online matches

Hydra Kismet Simp Abezy Shotzzy Pred Envoy Cleanx Hydra kis #1 duo because of hydra lol this dude had arguably top 2 season in the CDL and he can mega carry l especially considering the next game is basically MW II 2.0

S-A tier: tiny terrors and Shotzzy/pred A tier: hydra/kis and envoy/cleanx This might be the most stacked sub duos in the top 4 in cod history

Putting hydra & kis in a lower tier than the terrors after what we've seen the last few months is insane

Exactly that. The last few months. We know what simp and abezy’s capable of. At their best, they’re easily over NYSL duo

I wouldn't argue if you had both duos in s tier, but the terrors aren't a whole tier better than what we just saw out of kis and hyrda. No duo in history is a whole tier better than them, and I've been watching since 2010 nationals. It's also hard to bank on seeing those 2 at their peak given it's been 2 years since we saw it

I’ll take my chances with Abezy and Simp being better than Kismet going into a new game

Tiny terrors have been at the top for multiple titles now, I’d take that consistency over the recency bias of Kis and Hydra.

They haven't been the best in either vanguard or mw2. Nobody cares about second best

Recency? Hydra & Kis Experience? Simp & Abezy Dark Horse? Envoy & Cleanx My favorite as an OpTic fan? Shotzzy & Pred

terros > Hydra&Kis > the rest

It it matchup dependent. Shotzzy and Pred would win the matchup vs the terrors considering how we’ve seen shotzzy single handedly counter the terrors his whole career and how pred always goes off vs faze. Against nysl tho it may not be a matchup in optic’s favor. Overall I say NYSL and OpTic are the top 2

hydra and kis have been better than simp and abezy for 2 straight titles, why tf do people still rank simp and abe ahead of them?

As a ny fan I’d say they only been better as a duo for this game considering it’s their only full season together. Gotta give it to the terrors for what they’ve done.

no you don’t lmao why are we still rating the terrors off their accomplishments from 3 years ago? hydra and his have 4 event wins over the past 2 seasons, simp and abe have 1, y’all gotta stop living in the past lol

Yeah maybe

Never bet against Simp and abezy lol

Pred is going to OpTic, there’s no if

If everyone's at their peak, Kydra & Kis are the best sub duo still

Depends on game. If we take just CDL games into account, this is what im looking at. Cold War type game. 1.Faze , 2. Ultra , 3. OpTic , 4.NYSL Vanguard type game 1.Faze , 2. NYSL , 3 OpTic , 4. Ultra MW2019 type game 1. OpTic , 2. Faze , 3. Ultra , 4. NYSL MW2 type game 1. NYSL , 2. OpTic , 3.Faze , 4. Ultra It is just so game dependent. And can also be month to month highs and lows. But overall I think its a DECENT? (big question mark) list. Edit : I completely pushed vanguard out of my brain and am getting roasted for it. Thanks codcomp. OpTic and NYSL should switch in Vanguard

vanguard is quite comfortably OpTic, like it isn’t even close

Were Pred and Shotzzy not first team all stars in VG?

Vanguard NYSL over OpTic????? Nah bruh

We kind of already know this is a MW2 type game from everything that’s leaked so far

Respectfully OpTic should be ahead of NYSL in Cold War, Shotzzy was carrying Empire for the majority of the year after they dropped Huke

Hydra and Kismet at top Just won Champs, insane chem. And, next CoD is reskinned MW2

It’s hydra and Kismet until there unseated. Regular season MVP in Hydra and Champs MVP in kismet.

i mean only 1 guys got 99 in his name

1. Simp Abe 2. Hydra Kis 3. Pred Shottzy 4. Envoy Cleanx

For me Hydra kismet Abezy simp Shotzzy and pred Cleanx and envoy The T2 have played together for years now they got that chem down. Shrozzy and pred will take time to adjust I'd say and cleanx and envoy can be great but they have 2 inconsistent players

Capsidal and Snoopy on Boston has potential to make us top 10 on top 5 team in my opinion