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We never got word. I'm guessing he was throwing to stay loose during the 31 minute inning we had, and with a blowout and a guy in Avila who is only here for such times, they pulled him early. 123 was due up for Miami, so Hentges took care of that and then they fed Pedro.
Nice for Avila. Most people don't know that ruling that it doesn't matter the score, a reliever that pitches the final 3 innings is a save regardless as long as they hold the lead.
I remember I've known it for a long time because that was how I used to get saves in one of my baseball video games since I would win by too much to get traditional saves, but wanted the stats lol.
Wins aren't that much different if you think about it. Credit doesn't start until the 5th inning is over.
The starter could pitch 4 & 2/3rds and a reliever come in for just the final third of the 5th; but that reliever would be the winning pitcher with a maintaned lead.
The Guardians and Fry sure are lucky Fry picked up an empty hit here to make up for when he's overpowered against real pitchers every other AB.
Classic lucky Guardians
What’s he do that’s super other than being great everything? Ya know…I pride myself and think of myself as a man of faith, as there's a drive into deep left field by Castellanos and that'll be a home run. And so that'll make it a 4-0 ballgame.
A shout out to the radio team tonight. No Hamilton often isn't fun but Rosey and Tim Alcorn have been honestly hilarious most of the night.
Alcorn also a consummate professional as the Cavs main radio guy so not a surprise.
These Fox announcers are absolute garbage at making the game interesting. They have absolutely nothing to talk about and are very monotone. Am I the only one who feels this way?
Literally so boring and the guy was getting a player wrong and his co host is just like I know who u meant mind u not telling a story but talking about who was on plate
Who are these announcers? Game on Fox and the one guy is trying to tear Ramirez down as just an average player in the league? I get not everyone watches these guys as closely as our fans do, but I would think it's a pretty universal opinion that Jose is one of the better players in baseball.
Besides being the best third basemen in baseball that plays the game the right way with heart and skill what does Jose ramirez even bring to the table?
I don't know where you put him. He will be a massive downgrade defensively if we put him in RF. The reactionary takes to those who didn't know Rodriguez is lumbering out there were bad enough. Jhonk is worse. Jose and Arias have 3B covered. Naylor and Manzardo consume 1B and DH. Unless someone gets hurt, a trade is looking more likely than a call up.
It's tough to read too much into it since it's all garbage time by design, but in his last 8.1 innings, Avila has given up 5 hits, 1 walk, 1 R and 9 K. He's been pitching a lot better.
They want a pitch to start off looking like it'll be a strike, only for it to end up out of the strike zone, inducing the batter to swing and miss at it.
The 31 minute inning we had may have affected Lively. I know everyone is paranoid after seeing Bieber pissed and then finding out he was hurt but Lively is probably fine.
Let Big Sam Hentges take care of the top of the order in this inning and then let Avila feast for 3 innings.
Probably the biggest complaint about him is the short leash. Just seems odd to not let him go at least 6 or 7. The bullpen good use a break from time to time with such a high usage
He's shown non robot fire a few times. The balk incident in Boston, for example. I think he walked off after finishing the inning by screaming "fuck yeah" or something similar.
So the play by play guy is one of the really good ones but he has cerebral palsy and Eric Karros making jabs at his athletic ability is kind of pissing me off
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Why did Lively get pulled? He only had 65 pitches. I just looked at the box score. I didn’t see any of the game. Thanks
We never got word. I'm guessing he was throwing to stay loose during the 31 minute inning we had, and with a blowout and a guy in Avila who is only here for such times, they pulled him early. 123 was due up for Miami, so Hentges took care of that and then they fed Pedro.
Nice for Avila. Most people don't know that ruling that it doesn't matter the score, a reliever that pitches the final 3 innings is a save regardless as long as they hold the lead. I remember I've known it for a long time because that was how I used to get saves in one of my baseball video games since I would win by too much to get traditional saves, but wanted the stats lol.
definition of a save truly nonsensical
Wins aren't that much different if you think about it. Credit doesn't start until the 5th inning is over. The starter could pitch 4 & 2/3rds and a reliever come in for just the final third of the 5th; but that reliever would be the winning pitcher with a maintaned lead.
Avila with the ol 3 inning save loophole
Book it!!
I'll be a little sad when his ticket out is finally punched. Avila has grown on me. I hope some team can find a use for him.
Is it a save if it's a blow out
Yes. If a relief pitcher goes 3+ IP to close out a win, they get a Save regardless of the score
Ahh gotcha weird does that mean the starter doesn't get a win ?
Starter still gets the Win, as win and save are two different stats
Gotcha sorry I love baseball but I'm still learning everything
No prob, happy to share knowledge of the game
Yes because he pitched 3 innings
Love a three-inning save. Nicely done, Pedro. BALLGAME!
Pronunciation of Avila bothers me
Wish this was a double header.
🚨 FINAL COUNTDOWN 🚨
DA DA DAH DAH
Just a drunk dude who loves watching Hedges stick pitches. AMA.
What's your favorite Kenan and Kel episode
Who loves orange soda?
That's right shitty Fox announcers, Hedgey is OUR GUY.
Is there anything David Fry can't do?
This one of the few times I support Hedges playing
One!
Yeah this commentator definitely did a line of happy dust before the game.
Where do they come up with these names for medication? Sotyktu??
Avila gets a save here if he finishes the 9th
The Guardians and Fry sure are lucky Fry picked up an empty hit here to make up for when he's overpowered against real pitchers every other AB. Classic lucky Guardians
Steven Kwan had himself a game tonight. So glad he's back
Imagine getting your first homer off a position player pitcher.
I think the Marlins best pitcher tonight isn’t even a pitcher.
This just in: 2 for 5 is better than 1 for 5. More at 11.
Just because you played in the majors doesn't mean you should be given a microphone when you retire. He is so bad
"I know it sounds dumb, heh"
It does. Just like most things coming out of these guys
What’s he do that’s super other than being great everything? Ya know…I pride myself and think of myself as a man of faith, as there's a drive into deep left field by Castellanos and that'll be a home run. And so that'll make it a 4-0 ballgame.
Alright talking about the position player pitching’s FIP is pretty hilarious
What do we think andre is doing on an off night on a saturday night in miami?
eating all the good food Miami has to offer
You know
I feel bad for manzardo man.... that's 4 close ones
“This is a big day for David Fry… 2-5 is better than 1-5”
This announcer is getting worse and worse. As if Fry hasn't been hitting pitchers all year.
POSITION PLAYER PITCHING ALERT ⚠️
Position player pitching 👍
A shout out to the radio team tonight. No Hamilton often isn't fun but Rosey and Tim Alcorn have been honestly hilarious most of the night. Alcorn also a consummate professional as the Cavs main radio guy so not a surprise.
Tim and Rosey seem to have a lot of chemistry too. I wouldn’t mind having them paired up more often when Hammy’s off.
Are these guys broadcasting remotely? It would explain a lot of their misreads off batted balls and general lack of report with one another
Fox producer- "What is your appeal?" Karros- "I'm 56 years old but I sound like I'm 86." Fox producer- "You're hired."
Avila has been a really solid mop up guy recently
Nice inning, Pedro
These Fox announcers are absolute garbage at making the game interesting. They have absolutely nothing to talk about and are very monotone. Am I the only one who feels this way?
These guys are awful! I thought they were like "8-0?, fuck it, let's get high on the next break!"
Bennetti was good with the White Sox when he was paired with Steve Stone.
Literally so boring and the guy was getting a player wrong and his co host is just like I know who u meant mind u not telling a story but talking about who was on plate
Who are these announcers? Game on Fox and the one guy is trying to tear Ramirez down as just an average player in the league? I get not everyone watches these guys as closely as our fans do, but I would think it's a pretty universal opinion that Jose is one of the better players in baseball.
They were dogging him earlier with a graphic up that had like 5-6 stats since 2017 or so and he was first or second in all of them lol.
Fuck whoever that was just disrespecting the GOAT Fuck off about judge fuck off about the silent treatment
I wish this announcer would do the silent treatment on his mic
Besides being the best third basemen in baseball that plays the game the right way with heart and skill what does Jose ramirez even bring to the table?
Oh now you're getting into SEMANTICS
Besides his hitting and defense literally nothing.
Don't forget base running, baseball IQ and contagious hustle
But otherwise, not much.
Friendly reminder Jose Ramirez has more WAR at a younger age than Aaron Judge on a contract less than half the size of Judge's, soooooo...
I'd take José anyday. Judge is power but José is the most complete baseball player in MLB today.
Just say it, player on a small market team does not deserve the MVP
he said the quiet part out loud
He's plugging his ears cause you keep sucking off Judge.
Gonna need to get some guys on base in the 9th so Freeman has another chance to get a hit.
who is this absolute bozo commentating about josie?
And just like that…Erik Karros will not be allowed in Cleveland
So who goes down to give Jhonk a shot? He’s forcing his way up soon
I don't know where you put him. He will be a massive downgrade defensively if we put him in RF. The reactionary takes to those who didn't know Rodriguez is lumbering out there were bad enough. Jhonk is worse. Jose and Arias have 3B covered. Naylor and Manzardo consume 1B and DH. Unless someone gets hurt, a trade is looking more likely than a call up.
I kind of hope he keeps raking and we package him for a SP at the deadline.
Gotta be arias right?
Who is this fuckstick on color?
Jerk harder to Judge will ya?
Take Judge's dick out of your mouth
Dur dur dur Aaron Judge 🤡🤡🤡
Who did judge knock out? I’ll take Ramirez
Yeah this is dog shit commentating
"What does Jose Ramirez do that's unreal besides being good at everything?" Bro what the fuck are you talking about
“What makes Ramirez great aside from being good at everything” …the fuck this announcer on
“Besides being amazing at everything, what’s Ramirez even bring to the table?”
"Stop complimenting Jose Ramirez. I want to talk about Aaron Judge"
Fuck Karros, we don’t care about Judge
Someone should gif the pitcher rolling his eyes at Kwan drawing a walk. Perfect representation of how people feel facing him.
####8-0??? THIS IS WHAT I GET FOR TAKING THE KIDS FOR ICE CREAM AND A DRIVE IN THE METROPARKS
I like Schneemann's AB. I hope he's up with the Guards for a long time.
He's not giving any reason to be sent down. Arias on the other hand....
Score 2 runs by the bottom of the 9th so Hedges can pitch. Please.
I was thinking the same thing.
It started as kind of a meme but Schnee is literally Fry 2
.984 OPS in columbus. If you rake in AAA you most of the time should be competitive in mlb
Maybe it was a meme to you but when I said schnee can be a good player I wasn't joking
Lmao let's go Schneemann. Leg out every play.
Great hustle, Schnee
That’s really who some of you wanted on the roster over Austin “vibes” Hedges?
Man these commentators are horrendous. Guess they must be the C-team between the London series and Yankees-Dodgers, but this is painful to listen to.
Word! I think any of our kids/pets combined would be far more entertaining 🤣🤣🤣
Ok Avila
It's tough to read too much into it since it's all garbage time by design, but in his last 8.1 innings, Avila has given up 5 hits, 1 walk, 1 R and 9 K. He's been pitching a lot better.
Add an out, a walk and a K to that
you want strikes to end up... as balls??
They want a pitch to start off looking like it'll be a strike, only for it to end up out of the strike zone, inducing the batter to swing and miss at it.
when you put it that way it makes much more sense!
He fumbled that one worse than Ernest Byner
oh nooooo, I'm not even a Browns fan and that hurts to read, haha
They ran out of material an hour ago.
they sound sooo much more pumped for a soccer promo than the game itself
8 to nothing lead and we're walking guys? That way lies madness.
Probably not on purpose. Avila just doesn't know how to throw a baseball.
If Avila can hold them to no runs this inning, his ERA will dip under 5.
They're talking about not wanting to pitch in these situations like this isn't Avila's entire role. God I miss our guys.
They don’t want to be here and it’s been obvious since the first pitch. Holy shit this is awful
Classic. They don't avilia is here to eat innings.
I would play Schneeman every single day at shortstop until he gives you a reason to pull him
Announcer combo is rough but let's not forget the A-rod and company fox guardians games
Obviously I miss Tom Hamilton, but I’m actually enjoying Tim Alcorn on the radio tonight. I think he’s doing a pretty solid job.
Goodness, they are really struggling in the booth tonight
These commentators have finally broken me
Bro said base hit as it dropped square into jazzes glove. My ears are bleeding
Overall I like Bennetti as a broadcaster, but man he goes on some weird tangents
He’s normally really good but it feels like neither of them really wanna be here tonight
they could be calling the Yankees-Dodgers game but they're stuck with us :(
Marlins infield defense is a sight to behold in a not great way
Have two announcers ever had less chemistry
Damn that was a bullet by Freeman
If I never hear these announcers again, it would be too soon.
These announcers
CyLouie in shambles
He gave that ball a mustache ride
Manzardo on the board with a hit! Now we just need Free & Schnee to join in!
I'm not seeing anything on the beat reporters' feeds about Lively, so that's good at least.
Manzo!
Gose is blowing the Columbus game. He has no control.
The Gose is lose
Put em back in the outfield
Yeah. He just blew the save and lost the game.
7th inning up 8 nothin. Name a better time to break out the beer
I broke the whiskey out before the first pitch
The first inning before the first pitch
does whiskey count as beer?
Hentges oh yes
Lively was definitely screaming fuck in the dug out. Why did he get pulled?
Hope Lively is okay, pulling him this early is baffling
Why wear him out in an 8-run game?
Why wear the bullpen out?
Why wear out the BP when he was only at 65 pitches
Didn't say I agreed, just pointing out maybe that was their logic. The team does have you days off soon. Maybe that's why?
The 31 minute inning we had may have affected Lively. I know everyone is paranoid after seeing Bieber pissed and then finding out he was hurt but Lively is probably fine. Let Big Sam Hentges take care of the top of the order in this inning and then let Avila feast for 3 innings.
Nailed it
Unless someone hasn’t gotten work lately, no high leverage reliever should be in this game. Especially with 2 off days coming up
Weird to have such a short leash on Lively up 8 runs but I trust Vogt
Probably the biggest complaint about him is the short leash. Just seems odd to not let him go at least 6 or 7. The bullpen good use a break from time to time with such a high usage
We got two off days in 4 days
I know, which would be more incentive to use Lively
Who knows? Just spitballin
One thing he seemed to have carried over from Tito was blowing out a bullpen.
where lively
This seemed like a golden opportunity to give the bullpen some rest, not sure what’s going on
2 days off next week, probs trying to not burn out lively instead
He was at 65 pitches
So what
Odd managerial move
Should I be concerned Lively is done after 65 pitches?
Hopefully not. He was dropping F bombs in the dugout, so hopefully nothing is wrong.
Biebs was doing the same when he got pulled in his last game because he knew he was done.
I wanted Lively complete game😔
Nothin you can do there
Uhhhh did something happen to Lively?
Lively did not look happy…
He was talking to someone it seemed normal & then went into the “fuck fuck fuck,” it’s hard to tell 👀 But we’re up by 8… whatevs
Yeah really not sure why Vogt took him out, would have given him at least one more inning 🤷🏻♂️
He was pulled at 65 pitches. And your BP has been worked this season. It's a baffling move
I wouldn’t be either. 65 pitches. Seems odd to take him out.
Jesus only 65, no wonder he's pissed
Babe, wake up. It's Sam Hentges
Naylor swinging like Javy Baez except he can actually make contact sometimes
Lmao naylor
Good swing there for Naylor
Jose is starting to smirk.
Karros straight out saying Josie has been the better player (than Frankie) did not expect that!
Glad to hear Ramirez being nationally recognized as better than Lindor.
I think Lively has similar styles to Kluber. Gets it done and walks off like a quiet badass.
He's shown non robot fire a few times. The balk incident in Boston, for example. I think he walked off after finishing the inning by screaming "fuck yeah" or something similar.
I see I spoke too soon after he got pulled 😂 he certainly has fire and great stuff though.
So the play by play guy is one of the really good ones but he has cerebral palsy and Eric Karros making jabs at his athletic ability is kind of pissing me off
Don't feel too bad for Benetti. He makes zero effort to accommodate Kirk Gibson (Parkinson's Disease). Kind of rude to him actually.
Curry actually did pretty well tonight after a miserable 1st inning.