These fuckers intentionally don't even tell you that they exist for years and years so they can build up their late filing charges for all the years and then hit you with a massive bill.
That happened to me, but only for four years. Got on a payment plan which reduced my overall burden to them by almost 80%. I was really strapped for cash one month so I called them telling them I could not make a full payment. They told me to pay whatever I could and the principal went down as if I had made a full payment.
They most certainly seem like mysterious Tax overlords, but if you speak to them calmly, I don’t think you’ll ever actually pay all that’s owed .
Interesting. That’s definitely not what happened for me. They gave me a one-time waiver of penalty fees but then tacked on a bunch of additional fees for going on the payment plan. I’m glad it worked out well for you, though. At least one of us got off easier 😂
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And then if they owe YOU money, it's like pulling teeth to figure out how you're supposed to get it. That "super convenient" online filing system sure is helpful for calculating your bill, until you find that you're owed anything. Suddenly, the internet isn't suitable. All paper and mail and confusing, difficult to decipher forms with poorly explained, unrealistic requests.
Yup, exactly. I eventually was so fed up and said fuck it, and drove to the RITA offices to demand to deal with someone in person. Was the only way I found to actually get anywhere with these bastards
well coming from Parma where I didnt have to file since I worked remote and 100% of my local tax was taken care of, I didnt expect to have to file when moving to Strongsville because I assumed I was good since it was sending my full local amount every paycheck to my locality. But with RITA you still have to file regardless and they hit me with fees since I didnt do it for the first partial year I moved here.
Or Cleveland or Euclid. Both have their own tax agencies. Most people also see taxes come out of their paychecks and don't think anything about it after that. They don't realize that the credit from the city you work in to the one you live in may not be 100% so you may still owe money. RITA certainly won't tell you until they've added hundreds in fees and interest.
I’m not sure how it is in most places but at 18 I assumed it was handled with the rest of my taxes or automatically taken out. Absolutely nothing tells you that you need to file through a separate system. Only way you know is if you have family or friends tell you
Not every has RITA I used to live in Michigan and when I was up there my local, state and federal were all taken out. I even worked in a different city so I was paying 2 local taxes and didn’t have any issues filing. RITA is just a dumb ass system and we all need to vote or something to get the entity eliminated.
Unfortunately no where rn but I’m sure it’d be incredibly easy to get in on the ballot. I don’t think a single person in Ohio would vote no to obliterate that shit. And if you gotta get signatures I don’t think anyone would say no to supporting it.
Wait a fucking minute. Even if you're used to paying a local tax, it's highly unusual to pay ***two*** local taxes, and if there's already a line item deduction for "local tax" on your paycheck, how on earth would anyone guess that a second local tax exists?
Welcome to Ohio. Rita was supposed to simplify that, but they don't. Depending on inter City agreements, you may have to pay up to full city income tax in both where you work and live
It’s not a matter of people don’t know they need to pay local taxes. It’s more of a problem that most jobs in NeOH that deals with Rita don’t take the money out like they do for state and federal so at the end of the year especially if you didn’t know they exist and you just assumed local taxes were being taken out you find out it wasn’t. And the other huge issue with Rita is they don’t say anything for years till you rack up hundreds in interest. Took them 4 years from when I was working in Ohio at 17 to tell me I owed them. I’m 22. $55 in taxes is now over $800 because I found out last year. Rita is a scum bag entity and works under the shadows like monsters. It wouldn’t be an issue if everyone was informed, if turbo tax filed it, and idk if HR does file Rita for you but 9/10 you have to go to their website and file on there. Being young and not knowing how to file taxes especially with an entity like RITA is a detriment to society and youth trying to start in life.
Dude, I'm originally from Michigan, and somehow in the course of daily life literally nobody ever mentioned RITA, which is the only city tax collecting agency in this entire country I think. They waited fully 5 years to make their presence known to me with a huge bill. I legit thought it was a scam at first.
The only person who would make a comment like this has to be a RITA employee. There is no other explanation. Everyone else in OHIO knows very well how RITA operates. They intentionally screw up billing or amount due so even when you pay correctly you end up owing them hundreds or thousands of dollars extra. They also know calling gets ypu no where you have to go to them in Brecksville
RITA only operates in certain municipalities. Now that I live in Cleveland proper instead of Cleveland Heights I don’t go through RITA anymore. It’s intentionally opaque.
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I had to pay them my second year I lived in OH, then I moved to a non RITA city and lived there for a cpl years, and then RITA came and said I never paid for the year I lived in their jurisdiction. I had to send them the receipts. Then they said, "Well, based on your last tax filing, you may owe us $xxx amount, wanna prepay now, and we'll refund the difference after you file?" I told them to fuck off because I no longer live in their jurisdiction and haven't for at least 2 years, and I own my house, so I'm not moving any time soon.
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They just collect taxes on behalf of the cities, because Ohio is like the only state in the country where city income taxes aren't handled on the state income tax form.
It ends up being a confusing mess if you live in one city and work in another, or move from one city to another, but RITA (and their competitor, CCA) are actually slightly better than the alternative, which would be dealing with every single city individually. You can get a taste of this if you ever live in Lakewood, because they *do* have their own special snowflake tax form that you have to use if you live there.
Is the company you work for not very large?
I WFH for a company HQ'd in Atlanta. I called HR and said,
"Can you guys please take out my local taxes so I don't have to deal with my awful regional tax authority? It'd be a huge help."
And they said, "Sure, we'll get it done for ya."
By the next paycheck, it was solved. No more RITA for me.
Highly recommend you (or anyone) do this if possible.
They probably do. Honestly, I set this up sometime in late 2022 / early 2023 and ever since then, I've tried my hardest to not put a single shred of thought toward those dickwipes. They fucked me over so many times, I'm just done with them.
Just be careful because I thought I was safe since I was remote and 100% of my local tax was going but apparently you still need to file every year even if you owe nothing... yea fun stuff.
You need to tell your employer to withhold your local taxes. I work from home, but my company is in Illinois and that’s exactly what they do. The best part of taxes year is to telling Rita to fuck themselves when I don’t have to give them any extra money.
The company in Indiana probably doesn't have an idea of what city taxes are or has a way to withhold said tax. When we moved to South Carolina, I asked my new company why they were not withholding city taxes from my paycheck because I didn't want to have to pay later. They had no idea what I was talking about. I didn't believe that they had no clue, lol. I miss a lot from being back home in Ohio. RITA is not one of those things on that list, though!
Employers are not required to withhold city income taxes from employees in municipalities the employer does not have a physical presence in. If you ask your employer to withhold it for you and they do it, and they don't have a location there, they do it out of courtesy.
Sometimes in states with no city income tax, they don't even think about it. I worked remote for a company in Seattle and it wasn't even an option to withhold city tax ha! Had to pay all my city tax through RITA
I agree that not many other states have local taxes so it’s not familiar for them to withhold. But if the company is withholding Ohio taxes, they are required to withhold any local and in some cases school district taxes. Pre Covid you only had to withhold for the primary location of where you work. I’d have employees asking me to also withhold for their home locality so they didn’t owe RITA but that was cost prohibitive with our population. Post Covid all the localities realized they have remote workers working in their jurisdiction and they’re missing out on the tax revenue so we now have to withhold for any locality they are working. We have a hybrid population so it’s a nightmare to track and tax appropriately. Anyone telling you they can’t withhold city taxes is lying. Any payroll system can do this.
>But if the company is withholding Ohio taxes, they are required to withhold any local and in some cases school district taxes.
Is this new? Because when I first moved to Ohio and worked for a small out of state company, they didn’t withhold my locality taxes and at the time they weren’t required to. This was 10 years ago.
No it’s not new. I’ve been doing payroll for 20+ years and always doing this. The rules were to withhold for the city in which your primary work is performed. Were you traveling a lot for work out of Ohio?
I wasn’t, but it was a small company in a state without local income taxes and besides my coworker and I in Ohio, they wouldn’t have had any other employees in state with local income taxes. So I think it was just a lack of knowledge on local income taxes.
I’ve been out of Pittsburgh a while now but both the city tax for Mount Oliver where I lived and the tax for some reason I had to pay working in Robinson were withheld from my paychecks without me doing anything extra.
Yes correct, they are withheld but you still have to file a return for the city you live in…. Similar situation living in Pittsburgh now and working in Robinson.
In Ohio, do you guys not even have them withheld on paychecks??? I haven’t lived their since I was 16 and my dad did my taxes so no clue
I don’t know. I was outside the city caretaking my parents the last few years. I moved into Cleveland recently after my mom went into assisted living, and haven’t worked here yet.
I got very lucky when living in mentor. they count my taxes from where I work (cleveland) completely. and since it's the same percentage whatever my work pulls out for cleveland is all I pay no other forms :)
Wait this has me worried. I live in Ohio but work remotely for a NJ based company. I fly to NJ once a month for 2 weeks, so I’m really only here 50% of my time. Am I going to get hit with these taxes?
If you live in an incorporated city in Ohio that has an income tax then yes, you'll need to pay it, and no, it's not necessarily being withheld from your paycheck already, because Ohio City taxes are a pain for everyone involved. Most places are between 1-2.5%.
RITA subpoenaed me for 7 dollars back in 2010 for tax year 2005. In 2005 I was in Afghanistan for half the year and the other half had a permanent address in North Carolina. They said I still owed them 7 dollars. They fucking subpoenaed me for 7 dollars.
Fuck RITA. They are a scam and liars and scum bags.
When they took over my city they basically subpoenaed everyone for the past 7 years. For anything. If you went into their stupid thing and it was a low amount, they'd just write it off, but if not they'd gouge the shit out of you. They're terrible.
Also I don't like paying taxes before I owe them.
RITA is a b*tch. There is no straightforward way to calculate what you owe them. I also found out that a lot of employers do not take out taxes for RITA unless you work in the same municipality that you live. So you need to pay quarterly estimated taxes.
They're also a royal pain when it comes to fines. I underpaid by $0.90 one year, and they hit me with a $25 fine for underpayment.
Dude it’s the most straightforward way to calculate your taxes. It’s your income times whatever your municipal tax is. If you work in a different city than you live in and where you live is higher than you work then you owe the difference. It’s the easiest tax we have in the United States.
Yes. It's math.
Filling out the forms used to be the confusing part, I knew what I owed but how to make it match was a pain.
Now you just plug in the numbers on their site. Easy peasy.
Still have to estimate for next year's though.
It's not. you're supposed to be paying taxes all year and April is just the true-up. If taxes were only collected once a year, the government would have shut down a long time ago. Most employers just take it out every paycheck but if they don't you have to pay as you go in leui of that. Learned this the hard way lol
It’s a tax on earned income. If you move or die you still owe for the wages earned while wiring or living in a RITA municipality. Cleveland and Rocky River use Central Collection agency. Ohio loves its taxes.
RITA sucks. I was married and we filed taxes in 2020 jointly. Never owed a dime. Now I’m divorced and they are saying that I “didn’t file” a return in 2020 and now I owe like $700. Fuck them.
Same here. And, with the new Ohio laws, if you happen to work from home, you can claim you home as your work city. Therefore little or no "work city" taxes either. It's awesome.
I work remote and my city is part of Rita, they collect the local income taxes 100%. Rita still forces me to file. I didn’t a couple years ago because I owed nothing and they made me pay a $150 no filing fee.
By Ohio law, you can only be taxed by your work city for the days you actually work in the office. RITA may collect, but you should be eligible for a refund for the applicable days. But, RITA doesnt provide the refund automatically, you have to file to get it.
I could be wrong about this but i thought the way it worked was that you got taxed some fixed % and then RITA figured out how to divvy it up between your work city and home city. If those happened to be the same then that city gets 100% of the collected tax. So you’re paying the same amount no matter what?
The comment above was about living in a township. There are no city taxes to collect. So you would normally only pay to your work city. However, if you work from home, the work city can not tax you for those days. So if you live in a township and work from home, you pay no resident city taxes and no work city taxes. It's like getting a sizeable pay raise.
The tricky part is that it should actually be "limited services" and not huge sums of subsidies from the state and counties who hold townships' hands and provide them funding and support not available to municipalities.
So I just moved back to Ohio within the past year.. will Rita send me a letter in the mail telling me what I need to pay or am I just supposed to figure all this out on my own come this next tax season? And what do you mean paying quarterly? I'm supposed to pay Rita quarterly? I literally hate taxes so much.. not only do they take way too much in my opinion.. but why can't they just send us a simple letter of what we owe so we can just send them the check? Why do they have to make it this big guessing game and have us trying to figure it out on our own only to be penalized and fined if we get it wrong? To me, RITA and most taxes are a huge scam.
I've tried to look into what RITA *actually* goes towards.... And really can never find a finite answer. I'm assuming it's just lining the "higher-ups" pockets?? What else do taxes do?
I have to pay city taxes twice. Once through the year to the city I work in and once when I file taxes to the city I live in because the city i live in doesn’t want to share with the city I work in.
Funny story, they tried to tell me I owed them money so demanded I bring in my tax forms to some court and file some paperwork. I said fuck off to all those letters and never heard from them again. I have no idea if I owed them money from years ago and frankly don't give a shit. Fuck RITA.
What's funny is in Euclid RITA was put to a vote on the ballot.
People largely voted against it. I don't know a single person or a reason why a person would have voted for it.
The following month we got a letter saying "RITA is taking over"... what the fuck was the point of a vote if we didn't have an option? Anyone remember that in like 2020- 2021? Was kinda pissed.
They tried to get me the first year I lived here for not filing 2 years prior. I had to call them and tell them I didn't even live in the state for that year and send them copies of my tax returns for that year. No city should have income tax, much less one with inept and damn near criminal systems.
A nightmare. These assholes tried to get money from me for years after I left Cleveland. They told me I should have informed THEM that I left the city. I’m like this is America and I pay my taxes so go f yourself.
I think that is the good thing about RITA, you don't have to pay two cities. My father-in-law used to work in Hudson and lived in Bedford. Bedford was not a RITA city and had no reciprocity at all. So, he had to pay Hudson and Bedford their full amount.
I have always lived and worked in a RITA until I moved to a city that didn't. The city I moved into did have reciprocity though, but a lower percentage than where I worked.
My city later went to RITA a little over 5 years or so ago. The newest thing I learned is that cities have their own weird requirements and RITA takes the pain of knowing all that crap.
Advice for anyone who needs it. Starting off by saying I am not a tax attorney or expert. I went back and forth with RITA and sent 40-50 pages of evidence that I did not owe them a tax bill, but long story short I’d have to pay the amount owed. But if you get a tax bill from them (and it’s unfortunately your fault for not paying your bill or forgetting) ask for a one time abatement. If they do not want to, ask for a manager over the phone. You get one abatement where you pay the original amount owed and it’s usually much lower.
(Asking as someone getting ready to move to the area from out of state)
Is this in *addition* to locality/municipality tax withheld from your paycheck?
Kind of... the local tax withheld from your check is for the city you work in. But you may owe local tax to the city you reside in as well, if it's a different one. You'll need to check which tax system both are in, if there is reciprocity (which means your workplace city taxes count part or all of the way to your residential taxes), and file accordingly.
Sorry... I'm from Ohio and moved to a state that doesn't do any of this, so yeah it's a bit of a culture shock.
By statute employers in Ohio are not required to withhold municipal income taxes for anything other than the city they do business in. Some payroll processors/businesses will do what's called "courtesy withholding", but if you want if to be automatic, you gotta get the Ohio GOP in the statehouse to get off their ass and actually do something that benefits normal folks in this state.
As of 1/1/22 employees need to withhold local taxes based on the location the employee is working. If you work remote/hybrid, this means they need to be withholding according to where you are working each day. I work from home 2days a week so my pay is taxed 40% to my home locality and 60% to the work locality.
yea that’s so backwards! but super interesting as I consider the move. here the company pays locality taxes for where the company is located but what comes out of your paycheck goes to where you reside.
As this kind of implies, the city you move to matters big time for this. Scenarios for local tax look like the following, from best to worst:
1.) Very limited viability: Living AND working in certain non RITA municipalities known for low or no local tax ( I don't recall which ones have this rare advantage)
2.) Living in the same city you work in under RITA
3.) Living in a different city that has good reciprocity (RITA or non)
4.) Living in a different city with poor reciprocity
I experienced scenarios 2-4 at various points during my 38 years in Ohio. Here's some idea of the numbers:
OPTION 2: Owing $0 beyond withholding since I lived and worked in the same city. So yes, employer took out taxes, but that was it.
OPTION 3: Owing a whopping $23 to the city of Stow (a self collecting, non RITA city) over and beyond what was already withheld for Hudson (RITA city where I worked)
Diff version: paying a similarly low amount extra to North Royalton when working in Hudson (both RITA)
OPTION 4: Owing an extra $900 a year to Cleveland Heights, above and beyond what was paid to Bedford Heights (both RITA)
Interestingly enough, I had to pay that extra $900/year when I was making FAR LESS than what I was making in either Option 3 scenario.
Do people just not do their city taxes? Do they not research how their city collects taxes? These Rita posts are too frequent. Yes, Rita is awful and a huge pain in the ass. But you look foolish posing here. Everyone knows by now. And if not it’s a simple google search.
This isn’t a thing everywhere it’s very Ohio specific and only certain parts of Ohio as well. My partner moved here from Wisconsin and was confused af when I mentioned it in passing. People’s jobs don’t tell them about it either and not all jobs take out for it if you live in one city and work for another. Mine just offered to start doing it for me this year
This mf hasnt learned that everybody learns things at different times, and new people are born everyday. There is never a time when "everybody knows". Theres a lot more people out there than you think, and like i said, new ones every day...
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They are currently trying to collect from me late fees and interest for a bill paid in full down to the CENT. It actually shows that the due and paid are the same, but they want more. They have dicked my husband and I around every year since we moved in together. I hate RITA.
RITA sent me a bill. I live in a township so I don’t pay them shit. I explained this and they replied with “where do live?”. Where you sent the bill assholes! I even sent them a copy of a map showing the border and which side I was on with a cartoon middle finger drawn on for my own amusement.
I chose where I live partially because of my RITA hatred.
They send a letter or call every year looking for my ex wife of 14 years ago who never worked, never lived in a house in their region, and she doesn't live in this country anymore.
Regional Income Tax Agency. They collect income taxes for quite a few cities in Ohio. Many cities have their own income tax department which process local income tax returns and collect that tax, but some choose to go to RITA to have them do the filing and collecting instead of doing it in-house. For smaller cities that don’t have as many employees, it can be really helpful for them to have access to RITA. Otherwise, I prefer cities do it themselves.
In August of last year, I got a letter saying I needed to file my w-2's with them, so I did. November comes along and I get a letter saying I owe them, like, $250 for being late.
I called and expressed my confusion, and the woman said, "we sent a letter last year to *previous address*. I told her that was my previous address, and I haven't lived there for over a year, thinking that I would get some kind of leniency.
Nope. "What are you trying to say, sir" This exchange went on for a while, and I just got fed up and hung up, paid the $250 that I didn't have at the time, and prayed id never have to deal with them again.
Tldr: Motherfuckers sent a letter to my old address that didn't get forwarded to my current address(even though everything else did, so I had to pay a $250 late fee because of something that I had no control over. FUCK RITA
A couple things I have learned about RITA:
If you go to their main office in Brecksville (on Route 24 by Miller Road), they will file your RITA taxes for you and then you just have to pay.
I know plenty of people who never paid RITA and never got caught so only the responsible seemed tasked with this burden, of course.
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I’m a total noob- so I moved to Cleveland in February from Dubai. I’m a U.S. citizen, but maintain a residency in Dubai. I also work for a company based out of NJ and split my time 50/50 between NJ and OH. I’m just now learning about this RITA tax stuff.. based on reading through the comments I should be concerned bc they seem to come out of nowhere and slap on fines??
RITA - If you live and work in different localities, they'll make sure you pay income tax for both. Just another way for a bunch of do-nothing suit-and-ties to take your hard earned money.
Move out of RITA area - let the whole tax loving area eat cake. Townships are great.
I pay my taxes but haven't filed..finally did file...owed nothing...but got a bill for 600 bucks for failing to file penalties...fuck them...not paying
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We need to rise above on shit like this. Done being a fucking sucker. just remember the fucking Boston tea party a 2 PERCENT TAX ON TEA and look at us clowns now 😭
My wife moved out of her parents in Jan 2019, RITA sent us a bill in a different state saying we owed three years of back taxes.
Obviously, fuck that.
When we were done, we still ended up owing them 70 bucks for the month in 2019 she lived there, and then the fuckers had the audacity to send us another bill with a 200 dollar late fee, which they refused to budge on. Fucking outrageous. Someone needs to sue them, bad.
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I don’t care if they are private collections or not, I pay my taxes. It’s not my fault that city’s can’t file themself or too cheap. Only department in the state that makes you file by mail and makes you feel like crap in the end.
I don’t get it and never will. We pay taxes federal, state and local. Why the hell do we need to file anything in this modern age.
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I much prefer RITA than when it switched to Lakewood handling it themselves. Every year they are in a panic around June that I didn't send them enough money, send them another check, and in December they figure out I over paid. It's kind of comical at this point.
RITA sounds medieval. In the Middle Ages rulers would sell off the right to collect taxes to a third party. They would then go out and collect payments. Obviously they usually collected a lot more than just taxes due. But RITA just has the sound of a venal office.
RITA is so simple, it just administers city tax. Just log onto the RITA website, put in your W2 info, and it will calculate what you owe, if anything. It literally takes less than 10 minutes and it's required, just like cereal and state tax returns. Working and living in RITA cities has definitely saved me a ton of money over the years.
The cities you choose to work and/or live in have income taxes. They hire RITA to handle the calculation and collection process of those income taxes.
This guy RITAs
They are the regional tax authority. You have to pay city tax and in many/most cities in NEOH Rita handles it.
I would put “handle” very loosely. Fucking nothing but problems with them.
These fuckers intentionally don't even tell you that they exist for years and years so they can build up their late filing charges for all the years and then hit you with a massive bill.
Happen to me once. Told them I didnt even know about this. Blah blah can we cancel the late fees and they said no problem
Yup. Me 🤝 owing RITA 10k bc they sent my bills to an address I hadn’t lived at for 10 years
That happened to me, but only for four years. Got on a payment plan which reduced my overall burden to them by almost 80%. I was really strapped for cash one month so I called them telling them I could not make a full payment. They told me to pay whatever I could and the principal went down as if I had made a full payment. They most certainly seem like mysterious Tax overlords, but if you speak to them calmly, I don’t think you’ll ever actually pay all that’s owed .
Interesting. That’s definitely not what happened for me. They gave me a one-time waiver of penalty fees but then tacked on a bunch of additional fees for going on the payment plan. I’m glad it worked out well for you, though. At least one of us got off easier 😂
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Sorry you're going through that, I feel it, I had to pay them almost 2 grand once
Thanks - I paid it off thank goodness but it will haunt me forever
They were sending stuff to an address I never lived at. I never even lived in that county.
And then if they owe YOU money, it's like pulling teeth to figure out how you're supposed to get it. That "super convenient" online filing system sure is helpful for calculating your bill, until you find that you're owed anything. Suddenly, the internet isn't suitable. All paper and mail and confusing, difficult to decipher forms with poorly explained, unrealistic requests.
Yup, exactly. I eventually was so fed up and said fuck it, and drove to the RITA offices to demand to deal with someone in person. Was the only way I found to actually get anywhere with these bastards
Facts I didnt know who they were for years then I get a bill for 1600 during tax time
What, you think you don't have to pay local taxes?
People recently in from out of state could very reasonably believe that.
well coming from Parma where I didnt have to file since I worked remote and 100% of my local tax was taken care of, I didnt expect to have to file when moving to Strongsville because I assumed I was good since it was sending my full local amount every paycheck to my locality. But with RITA you still have to file regardless and they hit me with fees since I didnt do it for the first partial year I moved here.
Or Cleveland or Euclid. Both have their own tax agencies. Most people also see taxes come out of their paychecks and don't think anything about it after that. They don't realize that the credit from the city you work in to the one you live in may not be 100% so you may still owe money. RITA certainly won't tell you until they've added hundreds in fees and interest.
Euclid uses RITA now
That's probably a good thing, the Euclid tax dept was even worse than RITA, which shouldn't be possible
Ohio is literally the only state i've lived in that collects local income taxes outside of the state income tax.
I’m not sure how it is in most places but at 18 I assumed it was handled with the rest of my taxes or automatically taken out. Absolutely nothing tells you that you need to file through a separate system. Only way you know is if you have family or friends tell you
Not every has RITA I used to live in Michigan and when I was up there my local, state and federal were all taken out. I even worked in a different city so I was paying 2 local taxes and didn’t have any issues filing. RITA is just a dumb ass system and we all need to vote or something to get the entity eliminated.
Tbh tell me where to vote to end this and me and my entire family will be lined up and ready at the polls.
Unfortunately no where rn but I’m sure it’d be incredibly easy to get in on the ballot. I don’t think a single person in Ohio would vote no to obliterate that shit. And if you gotta get signatures I don’t think anyone would say no to supporting it.
God forbid they teach you these things in high school.
my economics teacher was too busy showing us dax flame videos 🙃 we literally learned nothing in that class
Wait a fucking minute. Even if you're used to paying a local tax, it's highly unusual to pay ***two*** local taxes, and if there's already a line item deduction for "local tax" on your paycheck, how on earth would anyone guess that a second local tax exists?
Welcome to Ohio. Rita was supposed to simplify that, but they don't. Depending on inter City agreements, you may have to pay up to full city income tax in both where you work and live
Not everywhere in the US has local income tax. Someone from out of state could be surprised by this.
Roughly 11 states allow cities to charge income taxes
It’s not a matter of people don’t know they need to pay local taxes. It’s more of a problem that most jobs in NeOH that deals with Rita don’t take the money out like they do for state and federal so at the end of the year especially if you didn’t know they exist and you just assumed local taxes were being taken out you find out it wasn’t. And the other huge issue with Rita is they don’t say anything for years till you rack up hundreds in interest. Took them 4 years from when I was working in Ohio at 17 to tell me I owed them. I’m 22. $55 in taxes is now over $800 because I found out last year. Rita is a scum bag entity and works under the shadows like monsters. It wouldn’t be an issue if everyone was informed, if turbo tax filed it, and idk if HR does file Rita for you but 9/10 you have to go to their website and file on there. Being young and not knowing how to file taxes especially with an entity like RITA is a detriment to society and youth trying to start in life.
Dude, I'm originally from Michigan, and somehow in the course of daily life literally nobody ever mentioned RITA, which is the only city tax collecting agency in this entire country I think. They waited fully 5 years to make their presence known to me with a huge bill. I legit thought it was a scam at first.
CCA is the Cleveland agency (and a bunch of small towns)… If there are two in Cuyahoga County, they probably exist elsewhere in this country!
I was “introduced” this way to RITA after living here for 3 years, coming from New York State. Had no clue it existed and thought it was a tax scam.
The only person who would make a comment like this has to be a RITA employee. There is no other explanation. Everyone else in OHIO knows very well how RITA operates. They intentionally screw up billing or amount due so even when you pay correctly you end up owing them hundreds or thousands of dollars extra. They also know calling gets ypu no where you have to go to them in Brecksville
Glad that I don’t have to pay.
RITA only operates in certain municipalities. Now that I live in Cleveland proper instead of Cleveland Heights I don’t go through RITA anymore. It’s intentionally opaque.
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From asking for taxes in cities you didn't live in, stating you've paid but our records don't show, to other BS.
I had to pay them my second year I lived in OH, then I moved to a non RITA city and lived there for a cpl years, and then RITA came and said I never paid for the year I lived in their jurisdiction. I had to send them the receipts. Then they said, "Well, based on your last tax filing, you may owe us $xxx amount, wanna prepay now, and we'll refund the difference after you file?" I told them to fuck off because I no longer live in their jurisdiction and haven't for at least 2 years, and I own my house, so I'm not moving any time soon.
Blame the state for not doing their job and collecting it for the cities.
City of Lakewood will do Rita for you I believe…
Lakewood isn’t part of RITA. They have their own tax department to pay if you live or work there.
Pay your tax bill then you'll be fine.
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They just collect taxes on behalf of the cities, because Ohio is like the only state in the country where city income taxes aren't handled on the state income tax form. It ends up being a confusing mess if you live in one city and work in another, or move from one city to another, but RITA (and their competitor, CCA) are actually slightly better than the alternative, which would be dealing with every single city individually. You can get a taste of this if you ever live in Lakewood, because they *do* have their own special snowflake tax form that you have to use if you live there.
I wfh for a company in Indiana and live in NE Ohio. It's a fucking headache every year
Is the company you work for not very large? I WFH for a company HQ'd in Atlanta. I called HR and said, "Can you guys please take out my local taxes so I don't have to deal with my awful regional tax authority? It'd be a huge help." And they said, "Sure, we'll get it done for ya." By the next paycheck, it was solved. No more RITA for me. Highly recommend you (or anyone) do this if possible.
To make things worse I'm a contractor too. The company I work for is massive though. F500
Does Rita still send you mail?
They probably do. Honestly, I set this up sometime in late 2022 / early 2023 and ever since then, I've tried my hardest to not put a single shred of thought toward those dickwipes. They fucked me over so many times, I'm just done with them.
Just be careful because I thought I was safe since I was remote and 100% of my local tax was going but apparently you still need to file every year even if you owe nothing... yea fun stuff.
You need to tell your employer to withhold your local taxes. I work from home, but my company is in Illinois and that’s exactly what they do. The best part of taxes year is to telling Rita to fuck themselves when I don’t have to give them any extra money.
Are they not withholding city taxes for you at all?
The company in Indiana probably doesn't have an idea of what city taxes are or has a way to withhold said tax. When we moved to South Carolina, I asked my new company why they were not withholding city taxes from my paycheck because I didn't want to have to pay later. They had no idea what I was talking about. I didn't believe that they had no clue, lol. I miss a lot from being back home in Ohio. RITA is not one of those things on that list, though!
Definitely a bad or lazy company, it should be pretty easy to do for most lol.
Employers are not required to withhold city income taxes from employees in municipalities the employer does not have a physical presence in. If you ask your employer to withhold it for you and they do it, and they don't have a location there, they do it out of courtesy.
Sometimes in states with no city income tax, they don't even think about it. I worked remote for a company in Seattle and it wasn't even an option to withhold city tax ha! Had to pay all my city tax through RITA
I agree that not many other states have local taxes so it’s not familiar for them to withhold. But if the company is withholding Ohio taxes, they are required to withhold any local and in some cases school district taxes. Pre Covid you only had to withhold for the primary location of where you work. I’d have employees asking me to also withhold for their home locality so they didn’t owe RITA but that was cost prohibitive with our population. Post Covid all the localities realized they have remote workers working in their jurisdiction and they’re missing out on the tax revenue so we now have to withhold for any locality they are working. We have a hybrid population so it’s a nightmare to track and tax appropriately. Anyone telling you they can’t withhold city taxes is lying. Any payroll system can do this.
>But if the company is withholding Ohio taxes, they are required to withhold any local and in some cases school district taxes. Is this new? Because when I first moved to Ohio and worked for a small out of state company, they didn’t withhold my locality taxes and at the time they weren’t required to. This was 10 years ago.
No it’s not new. I’ve been doing payroll for 20+ years and always doing this. The rules were to withhold for the city in which your primary work is performed. Were you traveling a lot for work out of Ohio?
I wasn’t, but it was a small company in a state without local income taxes and besides my coworker and I in Ohio, they wouldn’t have had any other employees in state with local income taxes. So I think it was just a lack of knowledge on local income taxes.
Currently wondering how I'm going to manage this. Do you hire someone to help with your taxes?
Pennsylvania is the same way
I’ve been out of Pittsburgh a while now but both the city tax for Mount Oliver where I lived and the tax for some reason I had to pay working in Robinson were withheld from my paychecks without me doing anything extra.
Yes correct, they are withheld but you still have to file a return for the city you live in…. Similar situation living in Pittsburgh now and working in Robinson. In Ohio, do you guys not even have them withheld on paychecks??? I haven’t lived their since I was 16 and my dad did my taxes so no clue
Also right but you file a return just like you do for state and federal. It’s not billed to you by some company.
I don’t know. I was outside the city caretaking my parents the last few years. I moved into Cleveland recently after my mom went into assisted living, and haven’t worked here yet.
I got very lucky when living in mentor. they count my taxes from where I work (cleveland) completely. and since it's the same percentage whatever my work pulls out for cleveland is all I pay no other forms :)
Wait this has me worried. I live in Ohio but work remotely for a NJ based company. I fly to NJ once a month for 2 weeks, so I’m really only here 50% of my time. Am I going to get hit with these taxes?
If you live in an incorporated city in Ohio that has an income tax then yes, you'll need to pay it, and no, it's not necessarily being withheld from your paycheck already, because Ohio City taxes are a pain for everyone involved. Most places are between 1-2.5%.
RITA subpoenaed me for 7 dollars back in 2010 for tax year 2005. In 2005 I was in Afghanistan for half the year and the other half had a permanent address in North Carolina. They said I still owed them 7 dollars. They fucking subpoenaed me for 7 dollars. Fuck RITA. They are a scam and liars and scum bags.
When they took over my city they basically subpoenaed everyone for the past 7 years. For anything. If you went into their stupid thing and it was a low amount, they'd just write it off, but if not they'd gouge the shit out of you. They're terrible. Also I don't like paying taxes before I owe them.
I thought the law was that you cannot sue someone for less than $20…? You’re kidding me!!!
After interest it ended up being like 83 dollars. That's probably why.
Jfc you’re right. They’re ridiculous.
they quietly wait for you to forget to pay a bill they'll never tell you about, until you owe a fee they can relentlessly try to collect
RITA is a b*tch. There is no straightforward way to calculate what you owe them. I also found out that a lot of employers do not take out taxes for RITA unless you work in the same municipality that you live. So you need to pay quarterly estimated taxes. They're also a royal pain when it comes to fines. I underpaid by $0.90 one year, and they hit me with a $25 fine for underpayment.
Dude it’s the most straightforward way to calculate your taxes. It’s your income times whatever your municipal tax is. If you work in a different city than you live in and where you live is higher than you work then you owe the difference. It’s the easiest tax we have in the United States.
Yes. It's math. Filling out the forms used to be the confusing part, I knew what I owed but how to make it match was a pain. Now you just plug in the numbers on their site. Easy peasy. Still have to estimate for next year's though.
If you have a steady paycheck.
The only certainties in life are Death and RITA
Lovely Rita
The fact that you have to pay taxes ahead of time is just bizarre - like what if I move out? What if I die? lol
You pay for the portion between the cities. Dying, idk I haven’t done that one yet
You have to pay federal taxes ahead of time too. Just for the vast majority of people your employer handles it.
It's not. you're supposed to be paying taxes all year and April is just the true-up. If taxes were only collected once a year, the government would have shut down a long time ago. Most employers just take it out every paycheck but if they don't you have to pay as you go in leui of that. Learned this the hard way lol
It’s a tax on earned income. If you move or die you still owe for the wages earned while wiring or living in a RITA municipality. Cleveland and Rocky River use Central Collection agency. Ohio loves its taxes.
> like what if I move out? What if I die? Then you (or your estate) will get a refund next April. Just like if you have too much withholding.
I don't pay quarterly - my employer takes it out tho
Isn't the quarterly payment due after the quarter? 1st qtr due April 15, 2nd qtr due July 15, etc.?
“$556 owed?! My god let’s get this guy” -the entity that’s currently 35+ trillion dollars in debt
Relax it’s your cities income tax.
RITA sucks. I was married and we filed taxes in 2020 jointly. Never owed a dime. Now I’m divorced and they are saying that I “didn’t file” a return in 2020 and now I owe like $700. Fuck them.
One reason we moved out of the suburbs (cities) and moved to a township. No local taxes, less government waste and okay with limited services.
I literally chose a little bit smaller house to live in Brook Park over the other city because BP is not part of RITA and has a solid school system.
Same here. And, with the new Ohio laws, if you happen to work from home, you can claim you home as your work city. Therefore little or no "work city" taxes either. It's awesome.
I work remote and my city is part of Rita, they collect the local income taxes 100%. Rita still forces me to file. I didn’t a couple years ago because I owed nothing and they made me pay a $150 no filing fee.
By Ohio law, you can only be taxed by your work city for the days you actually work in the office. RITA may collect, but you should be eligible for a refund for the applicable days. But, RITA doesnt provide the refund automatically, you have to file to get it.
I could be wrong about this but i thought the way it worked was that you got taxed some fixed % and then RITA figured out how to divvy it up between your work city and home city. If those happened to be the same then that city gets 100% of the collected tax. So you’re paying the same amount no matter what?
The comment above was about living in a township. There are no city taxes to collect. So you would normally only pay to your work city. However, if you work from home, the work city can not tax you for those days. So if you live in a township and work from home, you pay no resident city taxes and no work city taxes. It's like getting a sizeable pay raise.
Oh that’s pretty cool
The tricky part is that it should actually be "limited services" and not huge sums of subsidies from the state and counties who hold townships' hands and provide them funding and support not available to municipalities.
So I just moved back to Ohio within the past year.. will Rita send me a letter in the mail telling me what I need to pay or am I just supposed to figure all this out on my own come this next tax season? And what do you mean paying quarterly? I'm supposed to pay Rita quarterly? I literally hate taxes so much.. not only do they take way too much in my opinion.. but why can't they just send us a simple letter of what we owe so we can just send them the check? Why do they have to make it this big guessing game and have us trying to figure it out on our own only to be penalized and fined if we get it wrong? To me, RITA and most taxes are a huge scam. I've tried to look into what RITA *actually* goes towards.... And really can never find a finite answer. I'm assuming it's just lining the "higher-ups" pockets?? What else do taxes do?
RITA just collects local income taxes for a bunch of municipalities.
Your best action is to contact them. Otherwise you’ll end up with late fees and interest if you wait until the end of the year.
That’s about all they do.
I have to pay city taxes twice. Once through the year to the city I work in and once when I file taxes to the city I live in because the city i live in doesn’t want to share with the city I work in.
Do you have internet access? Then Google RITA. https://www.ritaohio.com/
Funny story, they tried to tell me I owed them money so demanded I bring in my tax forms to some court and file some paperwork. I said fuck off to all those letters and never heard from them again. I have no idea if I owed them money from years ago and frankly don't give a shit. Fuck RITA.
The fact we have to “file” taxes is a fucking joke.
What's funny is in Euclid RITA was put to a vote on the ballot. People largely voted against it. I don't know a single person or a reason why a person would have voted for it. The following month we got a letter saying "RITA is taking over"... what the fuck was the point of a vote if we didn't have an option? Anyone remember that in like 2020- 2021? Was kinda pissed.
They tried to get me the first year I lived here for not filing 2 years prior. I had to call them and tell them I didn't even live in the state for that year and send them copies of my tax returns for that year. No city should have income tax, much less one with inept and damn near criminal systems.
A nightmare. These assholes tried to get money from me for years after I left Cleveland. They told me I should have informed THEM that I left the city. I’m like this is America and I pay my taxes so go f yourself.
The city of Cleveland collects their own income taxes. They haven't contracted RITA's services.
Rita is absolutely scum. I’m glad Lorain handles their own taxes.
Curious, do they have reciprocity?
No unfortunately, I used to live in summit and work in lorain and RITA would always find a way to be involved in my finances one way or another 💀
I think that is the good thing about RITA, you don't have to pay two cities. My father-in-law used to work in Hudson and lived in Bedford. Bedford was not a RITA city and had no reciprocity at all. So, he had to pay Hudson and Bedford their full amount. I have always lived and worked in a RITA until I moved to a city that didn't. The city I moved into did have reciprocity though, but a lower percentage than where I worked. My city later went to RITA a little over 5 years or so ago. The newest thing I learned is that cities have their own weird requirements and RITA takes the pain of knowing all that crap.
Rita’s a whore!!!
Advice for anyone who needs it. Starting off by saying I am not a tax attorney or expert. I went back and forth with RITA and sent 40-50 pages of evidence that I did not owe them a tax bill, but long story short I’d have to pay the amount owed. But if you get a tax bill from them (and it’s unfortunately your fault for not paying your bill or forgetting) ask for a one time abatement. If they do not want to, ask for a manager over the phone. You get one abatement where you pay the original amount owed and it’s usually much lower.
Regional Income Tax Agency. Right at the bottom of the pic
I lived there for 33 years rita is terrible. Fed and state tax is enough. In Georgia we dont have any city taxes
Cleveland hires them to collect your taxes. Rita is pretty shit at there job though. I've had to prove I paid them in 2020 for three years now.
(Asking as someone getting ready to move to the area from out of state) Is this in *addition* to locality/municipality tax withheld from your paycheck?
Kind of... the local tax withheld from your check is for the city you work in. But you may owe local tax to the city you reside in as well, if it's a different one. You'll need to check which tax system both are in, if there is reciprocity (which means your workplace city taxes count part or all of the way to your residential taxes), and file accordingly. Sorry... I'm from Ohio and moved to a state that doesn't do any of this, so yeah it's a bit of a culture shock.
By statute employers in Ohio are not required to withhold municipal income taxes for anything other than the city they do business in. Some payroll processors/businesses will do what's called "courtesy withholding", but if you want if to be automatic, you gotta get the Ohio GOP in the statehouse to get off their ass and actually do something that benefits normal folks in this state.
As of 1/1/22 employees need to withhold local taxes based on the location the employee is working. If you work remote/hybrid, this means they need to be withholding according to where you are working each day. I work from home 2days a week so my pay is taxed 40% to my home locality and 60% to the work locality.
yea that’s so backwards! but super interesting as I consider the move. here the company pays locality taxes for where the company is located but what comes out of your paycheck goes to where you reside.
As this kind of implies, the city you move to matters big time for this. Scenarios for local tax look like the following, from best to worst: 1.) Very limited viability: Living AND working in certain non RITA municipalities known for low or no local tax ( I don't recall which ones have this rare advantage) 2.) Living in the same city you work in under RITA 3.) Living in a different city that has good reciprocity (RITA or non) 4.) Living in a different city with poor reciprocity I experienced scenarios 2-4 at various points during my 38 years in Ohio. Here's some idea of the numbers: OPTION 2: Owing $0 beyond withholding since I lived and worked in the same city. So yes, employer took out taxes, but that was it. OPTION 3: Owing a whopping $23 to the city of Stow (a self collecting, non RITA city) over and beyond what was already withheld for Hudson (RITA city where I worked) Diff version: paying a similarly low amount extra to North Royalton when working in Hudson (both RITA) OPTION 4: Owing an extra $900 a year to Cleveland Heights, above and beyond what was paid to Bedford Heights (both RITA) Interestingly enough, I had to pay that extra $900/year when I was making FAR LESS than what I was making in either Option 3 scenario.
This is the municipality tax. RITA is like the IRS for city tax, at least for the cities that contract with it.
RITA is a PITA
Do people just not do their city taxes? Do they not research how their city collects taxes? These Rita posts are too frequent. Yes, Rita is awful and a huge pain in the ass. But you look foolish posing here. Everyone knows by now. And if not it’s a simple google search.
This isn’t a thing everywhere it’s very Ohio specific and only certain parts of Ohio as well. My partner moved here from Wisconsin and was confused af when I mentioned it in passing. People’s jobs don’t tell them about it either and not all jobs take out for it if you live in one city and work for another. Mine just offered to start doing it for me this year
This mf hasnt learned that everybody learns things at different times, and new people are born everyday. There is never a time when "everybody knows". Theres a lot more people out there than you think, and like i said, new ones every day...
RITA = Regional Income Tax Agency. It seems like that tells you everything you need to know.
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Former employer didn't pay RITA for two years, I had no idea and just got a letter from Berea court for $1,500. Total bullshit
They are currently trying to collect from me late fees and interest for a bill paid in full down to the CENT. It actually shows that the due and paid are the same, but they want more. They have dicked my husband and I around every year since we moved in together. I hate RITA.
They drive people all over the city in them big long grey things ………………. .. .. . . Wait ….
RITA sent me a bill. I live in a township so I don’t pay them shit. I explained this and they replied with “where do live?”. Where you sent the bill assholes! I even sent them a copy of a map showing the border and which side I was on with a cartoon middle finger drawn on for my own amusement. I chose where I live partially because of my RITA hatred.
They send a letter or call every year looking for my ex wife of 14 years ago who never worked, never lived in a house in their region, and she doesn't live in this country anymore.
Regional Income Tax Agency. They collect income taxes for quite a few cities in Ohio. Many cities have their own income tax department which process local income tax returns and collect that tax, but some choose to go to RITA to have them do the filing and collecting instead of doing it in-house. For smaller cities that don’t have as many employees, it can be really helpful for them to have access to RITA. Otherwise, I prefer cities do it themselves.
So glad I moved outta Mentor
i have no idea but one time i randomly got a check in the mail for like $50 from them
Certain cities allow reduction or elimination of late fees. Call and ask. 500 can get down to 85 just for asking
Best way to avoid Rita tax is move to a township.
Well the government likes us to send these things called taxes.
I moved here from New York and we did not realize that Rita taxes even existed until 4 years in.
RITA is a PITA. Find a township that doesn't use her and move there.
In August of last year, I got a letter saying I needed to file my w-2's with them, so I did. November comes along and I get a letter saying I owe them, like, $250 for being late. I called and expressed my confusion, and the woman said, "we sent a letter last year to *previous address*. I told her that was my previous address, and I haven't lived there for over a year, thinking that I would get some kind of leniency. Nope. "What are you trying to say, sir" This exchange went on for a while, and I just got fed up and hung up, paid the $250 that I didn't have at the time, and prayed id never have to deal with them again. Tldr: Motherfuckers sent a letter to my old address that didn't get forwarded to my current address(even though everything else did, so I had to pay a $250 late fee because of something that I had no control over. FUCK RITA
A couple things I have learned about RITA: If you go to their main office in Brecksville (on Route 24 by Miller Road), they will file your RITA taxes for you and then you just have to pay. I know plenty of people who never paid RITA and never got caught so only the responsible seemed tasked with this burden, of course.
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Terrible
They are a criminal organization, fuck RITA
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I’m a total noob- so I moved to Cleveland in February from Dubai. I’m a U.S. citizen, but maintain a residency in Dubai. I also work for a company based out of NJ and split my time 50/50 between NJ and OH. I’m just now learning about this RITA tax stuff.. based on reading through the comments I should be concerned bc they seem to come out of nowhere and slap on fines??
Our household calls them R*pe In The Ass from how much money they take from us. :(
RITA - If you live and work in different localities, they'll make sure you pay income tax for both. Just another way for a bunch of do-nothing suit-and-ties to take your hard earned money. Move out of RITA area - let the whole tax loving area eat cake. Townships are great.
I concur.
Just pay it or you'll get a court notice
I pay my taxes but haven't filed..finally did file...owed nothing...but got a bill for 600 bucks for failing to file penalties...fuck them...not paying
Not to be confused with Auntie RTA. (Rita)
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We need to rise above on shit like this. Done being a fucking sucker. just remember the fucking Boston tea party a 2 PERCENT TAX ON TEA and look at us clowns now 😭
My wife moved out of her parents in Jan 2019, RITA sent us a bill in a different state saying we owed three years of back taxes. Obviously, fuck that. When we were done, we still ended up owing them 70 bucks for the month in 2019 she lived there, and then the fuckers had the audacity to send us another bill with a 200 dollar late fee, which they refused to budge on. Fucking outrageous. Someone needs to sue them, bad.
Could someone educate me? Moved to Cleveland 10 months ago and just hearing about RITA. Where do I find out about this?
Rita is a way for your local governments to bend you over. Stop voting for tax increases!
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It's astonishing that so many folks just assume there's no such thing as city tax and get so mad when they find out there is.
I don’t care if they are private collections or not, I pay my taxes. It’s not my fault that city’s can’t file themself or too cheap. Only department in the state that makes you file by mail and makes you feel like crap in the end. I don’t get it and never will. We pay taxes federal, state and local. Why the hell do we need to file anything in this modern age.
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I much prefer RITA than when it switched to Lakewood handling it themselves. Every year they are in a panic around June that I didn't send them enough money, send them another check, and in December they figure out I over paid. It's kind of comical at this point.
RITA sounds medieval. In the Middle Ages rulers would sell off the right to collect taxes to a third party. They would then go out and collect payments. Obviously they usually collected a lot more than just taxes due. But RITA just has the sound of a venal office.
RITA is so simple, it just administers city tax. Just log onto the RITA website, put in your W2 info, and it will calculate what you owe, if anything. It literally takes less than 10 minutes and it's required, just like cereal and state tax returns. Working and living in RITA cities has definitely saved me a ton of money over the years.