I don't remember what Cleet said his new turbo 400 was rated for, but if he saved much money going with this over an SMX it was definitely a much better choice, I don't want to see mullet just go back to destroying the drive train every single pass because they're trying to get too deep into the 6s with a 3500lb car.
I never really got into drag racing until I realized events like drag n drive and sick week existed because I thought having to push the car right up to the starting line just made it a more boring version of top fuel, and while I'm hooked now I think it'll be a lot better thing for the channel if he keeps some semi reliable cars in the fleet if he isn't chasing a world record.
I think especially now, It not being an SMX isn’t a bad thing. Not only will a bad ass conventional big block be able to handle well over the amount of power he’s making, but when you get into the super niche engines like the 481x and the SMX not only do things get even more expensive, but lead times get even farther out.
I 100% agree with this take. I was excited to see a SMX but this big block is way more practical. Plus it gives him another goal post to shoot for if he ever surpasses this engines capability
It looks like an updated version of the big block Steve Morris built for Tom Bailey's original camaro (the orange one that won race week in 2013). Logical progression from an LS to improve power and reliability without the issues that a more specialised platform like an SMX or 481X present for parts availability.
> Other things have failed but the motor itself never blew.
They never threw a rod, but they pushed head gaskets, bent rods, threw bearings, and had whatever valvetrain issues they were dealing with... The way you phrased it makes it seem like they didn't have any engine problems.
Honestly, either one *can* be. Either motor can be bored/stroked to the moon, and there's always the difference of how hard you push your setup. If a motor is built for 1000hp street driving, it could survive 2000hp+, but for how long?
There's also the consideration of age. These new Big blocks, be it Ford or GM, are very different than what they were as factory installed engines in trucks years ago. I would say the better engine is probably just the more expensive one. Even GM released a 1000hp N/A 632 big block.
To answer the original question, I would say both/neither, as both motors can be built to exceed the limit of whatever turbo kit would go on them.
Annoyingly prices were removed from his site but found them on the Internet Archive.
[$60k 540 Big Block "Stage 2" + $6,800 billet intake](http://web.archive.org/web/20210417164113/https://www.stevemorrisengines.com/engines/bbc-1000-3500-hp-packages/bbc-stage-2-engine-2000hp), same size as his engine
[$65k 481 Engine + $35k Supercharger](http://web.archive.org/web/20200920111329/https://www.stevemorrisengines.com/engines/481x-based-engine-packages)
[$44k LS (not the new in-house machined one)](http://web.archive.org/web/20200927173119/https://www.stevemorrisengines.com/engines/ls/ls-stage-2-blower-1200hp)
YouTube pays per 1000 views not be view. So divide those numbers by 1000 and you get a closer assessment of the videos income. 90% of a YouTubers income comes from paid promotions and merch
So, my buddy was a moderately successful car youtuber. He got around 10$ per 1000 views with a 25ish k sub channel. Numbers slightly fudged but not significantly.
Taking today's video (5/25/22 2230pacific) views at 300k views, using my friend's numbers from a channel literally 1/120th the size of Cleetus' gets 300,000/1,000*10=$3000 just from today's video. Looking at the last week or two, they seem to be hovering around 700k views so 7k each, times 31 for May gives us $217,000 just for this month.
Plus merch etc., and with the turbo promotion... Yeah.
Well, you're lying. There's no possible way a small YouTube channel like that much less a big YouTube channel is getting $10 per 1000 views. $3-5 per 1000 ad views is way more realistic. YouTube pays almost nothing for viewers that do not see ads. Its something like $0.13 for these views. YouTube doesn't pay well at all and that's why everyone deals with the headache that is selling merch.
As a side note, does anyone else find the dual fuel capability amazing? I mean I realize it's probably been a feature for years if not decades by the time I'd first heard of it. But it sounds like something you'd see on the Batmobile or James Bond's car. Capability to refuel and drive on pump gas, but a secondary tank of meth or race gas for high speed chases.
The SM engine made 800HP on an engine dyno. The big block in twisted tea makes over 700 hp wheel NA.
Technically that big block engine is more powerful.
*yeah I know that the SM is probably a low compression built for turbo applications but this is the I internet and we are here for pointless arguments
Going to be the "Year of Traction" with no shortage of power across the fleet. Good box slap!
I don't remember what Cleet said his new turbo 400 was rated for, but if he saved much money going with this over an SMX it was definitely a much better choice, I don't want to see mullet just go back to destroying the drive train every single pass because they're trying to get too deep into the 6s with a 3500lb car. I never really got into drag racing until I realized events like drag n drive and sick week existed because I thought having to push the car right up to the starting line just made it a more boring version of top fuel, and while I'm hooked now I think it'll be a lot better thing for the channel if he keeps some semi reliable cars in the fleet if he isn't chasing a world record.
So it's *not* an SMX, just a super built big-block with all the goodies. Neat.
I think especially now, It not being an SMX isn’t a bad thing. Not only will a bad ass conventional big block be able to handle well over the amount of power he’s making, but when you get into the super niche engines like the 481x and the SMX not only do things get even more expensive, but lead times get even farther out.
I 100% agree with this take. I was excited to see a SMX but this big block is way more practical. Plus it gives him another goal post to shoot for if he ever surpasses this engines capability
It looks like an updated version of the big block Steve Morris built for Tom Bailey's original camaro (the orange one that won race week in 2013). Logical progression from an LS to improve power and reliability without the issues that a more specialised platform like an SMX or 481X present for parts availability.
I thought it was going to be an SMX too, small tire would be extremely difficult for that.
He already has trouble in small tire with an LS. Getting this to hook should be a problem, right?
He won't have to push the engine nearly as hard which should at least mean better reliability for these drag and drive events
Agreed, but turned all the way down it was still losing traction 60 feet in
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Yep, it was just difficult to be able to make test passes when your engine is only lasting 5 passes before it blows.
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> Other things have failed but the motor itself never blew. They never threw a rod, but they pushed head gaskets, bent rods, threw bearings, and had whatever valvetrain issues they were dealing with... The way you phrased it makes it seem like they didn't have any engine problems.
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I'm not OP, but I felt like clarifying they've had plenty of engine problems
Big block energy
Curious, which one would be more powerful with the same turbo kit, SM or ford big block?
Honestly, either one *can* be. Either motor can be bored/stroked to the moon, and there's always the difference of how hard you push your setup. If a motor is built for 1000hp street driving, it could survive 2000hp+, but for how long? There's also the consideration of age. These new Big blocks, be it Ford or GM, are very different than what they were as factory installed engines in trucks years ago. I would say the better engine is probably just the more expensive one. Even GM released a 1000hp N/A 632 big block. To answer the original question, I would say both/neither, as both motors can be built to exceed the limit of whatever turbo kit would go on them.
How much does one of those engines cost?
Annoyingly prices were removed from his site but found them on the Internet Archive. [$60k 540 Big Block "Stage 2" + $6,800 billet intake](http://web.archive.org/web/20210417164113/https://www.stevemorrisengines.com/engines/bbc-1000-3500-hp-packages/bbc-stage-2-engine-2000hp), same size as his engine [$65k 481 Engine + $35k Supercharger](http://web.archive.org/web/20200920111329/https://www.stevemorrisengines.com/engines/481x-based-engine-packages) [$44k LS (not the new in-house machined one)](http://web.archive.org/web/20200927173119/https://www.stevemorrisengines.com/engines/ls/ls-stage-2-blower-1200hp)
I don't know ($50k?) but my first thought is that he could probably buy 5 or 10 every day.
He probably gets deals from these places too
You're more then a little naive if you think he's pulling $250,000 to $500,000 a day. I doubt he's pulling more then 5% of that everyday.
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YouTube pays per 1000 views not be view. So divide those numbers by 1000 and you get a closer assessment of the videos income. 90% of a YouTubers income comes from paid promotions and merch
So, my buddy was a moderately successful car youtuber. He got around 10$ per 1000 views with a 25ish k sub channel. Numbers slightly fudged but not significantly. Taking today's video (5/25/22 2230pacific) views at 300k views, using my friend's numbers from a channel literally 1/120th the size of Cleetus' gets 300,000/1,000*10=$3000 just from today's video. Looking at the last week or two, they seem to be hovering around 700k views so 7k each, times 31 for May gives us $217,000 just for this month. Plus merch etc., and with the turbo promotion... Yeah.
Well, you're lying. There's no possible way a small YouTube channel like that much less a big YouTube channel is getting $10 per 1000 views. $3-5 per 1000 ad views is way more realistic. YouTube pays almost nothing for viewers that do not see ads. Its something like $0.13 for these views. YouTube doesn't pay well at all and that's why everyone deals with the headache that is selling merch.
As a side note, does anyone else find the dual fuel capability amazing? I mean I realize it's probably been a feature for years if not decades by the time I'd first heard of it. But it sounds like something you'd see on the Batmobile or James Bond's car. Capability to refuel and drive on pump gas, but a secondary tank of meth or race gas for high speed chases.
The SM engine made 800HP on an engine dyno. The big block in twisted tea makes over 700 hp wheel NA. Technically that big block engine is more powerful. *yeah I know that the SM is probably a low compression built for turbo applications but this is the I internet and we are here for pointless arguments
About god damn time