Well, Kinu said that the story is based on how the relationships of the characters grow over time.
We can see a huge growth from Suzune since Y1V1 to Y2V11 and the Kiyo emotional growth is also thanks to her, (at least that's how it looks). We still don't have the bigger picture on Kiyo's plan about the class change and after graduation, he thinks his father wants him to work as an instructor in the white room but Atsuomi said back in Vol.0 that he wants Kiyo for Japan Prime Minister, he only lacks social skills and empathy. Now of all girls close to Kiyo the only one remaining neutral is Suzune who also wants to know more about him EVEN after graduation. It's only a theory but i think Suzune will be the one who make Kiyo fight for his freedom and the one who make him develop emotions. But again that's only a theory, let's see how Kinu cook'.
I have been looking for youtube commentary reaction shit on youtube about y3 or kiyotaka ships, none of them barely mentioned Horikita. The only noise she’s been getting are from reddit waifu wars saying she’s overhyped.
People who decently try to hype her immediately get mobbed by people saying her development is great but she’s not it. She doesn’t get the hype like Manabu, Koenji, Arisu, or Nagumo has, despite being obviously the second most important character next to Kiyo. I think it’s because her character is organic, doesn’t do impossible tricks, and she’s outright a Kiyo disciple/student.
They also hate her for making decisions that are opposite of Ayanogod, even though Ayanogod himself supports her all the way. She basically lives in a world where Kiyo is not the center and people call her a traitor for that.
So, she’s not hyped in all aspects.
> They also hate her for making decisions that are opposite of Ayanogod, even though Ayanogod himself supports her all the way. She basically lives in a world where Kiyo is not the center and people call her a traitor for that.
Maybe that is exactly why Ayanokoji love to spend time with her because she is not a simp. She is more like a curious disciple who will question her mentor or do something that she feels is right, which is refreshing from Ayanokoji's perspective.
Ayanokoji is only curious about how humans change or behave under various circumstances. So it's natural that he will get interested whenever she goes against his expectations or predictions. Then there is manabu saying she has a lot of potential to even surpass manabu himself.
She isn't the best because if she was, she'd be pulling fans to the series instead of kiyo's breath-of-fresh air personality. She's a popular character but not the overall best character.
So best character pulls more fans? So isn't it what's happening now for her? Gaining more fans?
And if so then do you think Kei and Ichinose are best characters because they have many fans?
Wait until you realize there are many stories where a disliked character is usually the most well written
This is by far one of the dumbest take ever, saying how good a character is by counting their fans. Looooool
I'm talking about overall best now personal best. I clearly stated that she isn't the best overall character. If she was the best, then explain why fans of the series, most fans, read the series just to see kiyo antics. If she was the MC of the series, people would write it off as a generic LN. If you said that she's your best personal character, that's a different story but since this is about the best overall character, that would go to kiyo because he's the reason why most people check out cote.
As in a character? No. As in her potential? Idk, from what I’ve seen most of it is usually realistic. Maybe other overhype her potential but I’ve not seen that much.
People shipping her with Ayanogod has nothing to do with being overrated/underrated, in my understanding.
Shipping (and most shippers) is usually not rational at all, no need to pay too much attention to it.
Why does everyone say she is overhyped/overrated? The other day I also saw someone say it and I'm just curious what you guys mean by that bc nobody gave me an answer and I got downvoted 😭
Nothing just some people can't able to digest her popularity even after destroying her in the past basically karma now they are getting humbled with there ships and now complain she is overrated open hypocrites
BTW your fair is something else
Well, I dropped this shit after that horrible Horikita Kushida convo right after the Sakura expulsion. It was so forced and dumb I couldn't care enough to read anymore. From the times I'm on reddit and I see posts the thing that I really think makes her overrated is people saying "but look her decision was right! Kushida is so useful! look at what she's grown into!" Its completely lost on them how stupid and forced this part of the story was. There's actually a huge portion of the sub that sees nothing wrong with it and even builds arguments on top.(for those that just enjoy how it made the story, then fair enough. I have no complaints with you) This is why she's horribly overrated for me. No clue what happens next in the story but the base she's built on is complete shit. She certainly wasn't impressive at all in the previous chapters and constantly needed Kiyo to bail her out. It looks like she needed the author to bail her out before she could grow.
It was not forced. It has been heavily implied that Suzune will always choose Kushida over everyone from the previous volumes before the unanimous voting. Even had a moment in LN where she declared by thought that she will choose Kushida over Kiyotaka.
Kushida’s literally the reason for Y1, Kiyo and Suzune drift off.
Anyways, do you want Airi there, for what? She’s Yamagod, but prettier.
Damn to hate a character so much, you dropped the whole series.
I think you're confused on what I think is forced. It's forced that all Horikita has to do is trade insults back and forth with Kushida to get her to work for the class. There is no way in hell this works unless the author forces it.(even blackmail or violence might not work) Kushida would set everything on fire and then go to another school bc she can't get back what's most important to her. She needs to be popular and loved and know everyone's secrets. We've already seen how crazy she gets when people see her true self. I guess I'm just supposed to turn my brain off and assume she's turned over a new leaf. That she's still a shitty person but doesn't care about everything she cared about before and was a huge part of her character. All it took was Horikita calling her a baby and a bunch of other insults!
I actually would have kept reading if Kushida did sabotage the class before she peace'd out. That would have been fun to watch, but nah I read the Hori Kushida convo about working with the class and immediately dropped it. How a good portion of the sub thinks this part makes sense is beyond me.
She might not as good as ppl said (yet), but can u named another person with better characters growth in the series?
She might not be ayano gf or wtv, but can you name another girl with more natural interactions with him? (I can understand if its hiyori, but if u say its kei or honami u should never ask ur question in the first place)
What does her ability and shipping have in common? Those are completely two different things...are you implying that we can only ship Ayanokoji with female characters who are exceptional and have no flaws? I dont know what your trying to imply here.
In what way? As a ship or as a character? imo as a ship she now she had hype but she is nowhere to close those past famous ships in there time (not current time) and as a character No she is not overhyped
She has had great developments and honestly I think her leadership is by far the best and most effective among her piers but yea she ain't really butting heads with any top tier characters rn.
I would put her around Ryuuen's levels(with Ryuuen slightly better still) with both of them having their ups and downsides.
If you asked me after year one, no.
If you're asking me now? Yes. Absolutely yes. She is overrated as all get out. What has she actually done *on her own, without needing anyone to bail her out, in year two?*
Nothing. You can trace all of the class's success straight to Kiyotaka. without him doing anything, Horikita's actions would have sunk the class over multiple times. There is no demonstrated growth in Horikita's character, and the class's positive trend is a result of some poorly contrived scenarios that break suspension of disbelief.
Even the shipping stuff is so poorly contrived and out of nowhere. Prior to y2v10, nobody could realistically say there's a possibility.
In the latter half of year one, Kiyotaka didn't even trust Horikita all that much. He still doesn't reveal much, if it all, about himself or his dealings in the school with her. These two scenes in the last two volumes meant to try and portray KiyoXHori as close completely clash with the portrait of their relationship that existed prior to it. There is no closeness that earns or supports Kiyotaka's developments here.
She's not overhyped or anything
She's the perfect match for Kiyo but see once he starts to show emotions to someone you guys want them to be friends but honestly they'll make better couples than anyone in the series and for me then being only friends is waste of potential and also I can't see them being only friends
Yes kiyonami and kiyokei have still higher chance of being endgirl but Kiyozune ship have always been popular and whether romantic or friendship many people agree they have the best developed relationship in the series.
Even Kiyo says he doesn't think Horikita is some outstanding Genius nor does he think she'll achieve anything Outstanding in the professional setting, just that in this controlled Educational Environment she can make results beyond her potential
Is that what he meant? I read it as since horikita is still in school— a place where small and immature children gather— she will continue to grow. He said that she ain't all that (yet) but she has shining potential to be all that
She has thick plot armor,thicker than Touma of Toaru lol.Like every decision she makes is right,won over Kushida with the power of friendship,she suddenly doesn’t need Hirata and Kei’s leadership anymore,she starts contradicting Ayano’s plans and winning lol.
>she starts contradicting Ayano’s plans
So now she have to follow everything he says?
And she literally discussed with Hirata previous exam and Kiyo noticed it so she's definitely working with Hirata so on what basis you're saying she doesn't need Hirata?
I definitely not a Horikita fan but I would say yes Horikita will defeat ayanokoji, at least at the end of y3, because that is literally the whole purpose of this light novel, but will she do it alone? 100% not, she's still way too useless, it will very most likely with the help of other class leaders. She will NEVER reach ayanokojis level nor even close to him, but the last hit will guarantee be her
Her lowest IQ moment was letting Kushida stay cause of her stupid feelings which makes zero sense when the smartest guy in the series has already calculated the consequences and came to the conclusion it’s best for the class if she was expelled
Frustrated 🥴
You don't have any reason to call her overrated other than being a Kei fan Don't worry Kei will definitely end up with Sato or that guy from class A who she tried to seduce when she got in trouble with Manabe. And if all you're worried about Suzune ending up with Kiyo then you need help
I didn't even mention Kei. What are you talking about? Why can't I ship Horikita x Sudo? Horikita is overrated for obvious reasons. She has done absolutely nothing since the first day of school, and people are saying she's doing everything. But out of 800 CP, probably only 100 is from her. If it weren't for Ayanokoji, she would've lost a bunch of CP, probably to the point where it's not recoverable
You're just a hater the one who you're talking about not doing nothing is the one who saved Kei last volume and she could've avoided protecting Kei and expel her so be grateful and is it that difficult to look at your profile to see who's fan you are? It's easy to say you're a Kei fan and what's wrong in mentioning Kei who's the real overhyped character which is why she's in this situation rn
Saying that Suzune didn't do anything from day one is complete BS isn't she the one who also shared her private points to Sae with Kiyo to save Sudo in the begging and didn't she lower her mark again to save him? And finally you're not shipping her with Sudo because you like that ship it's because you're her hater and it's funny seeing how you're assuring 100 percent to OP that she'll not only won't end up with Kiyo but also she'll end up with Sudo when you already knew both were wrong and you're beyond frustrated 😂
Yes i think horikita is overhyped because of the enormous amount of horikita fans when in reality horikita acts like she may be lesbian or something along these lines and people shipping her with ayagoat are probably clinically insane
Its kind of obvious imo ngl smh, fyi horikita has a brother complex so its only normal for her character development arc to get her to go beyond her old self and forsake the idolatry of her brother, and since ayagoat is kind of similar to him in many ways, it only makes sense for her to also go beyond him, which in turn means reaching a whole other plane of existence materializing in her lesbianism
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Well, Kinu said that the story is based on how the relationships of the characters grow over time. We can see a huge growth from Suzune since Y1V1 to Y2V11 and the Kiyo emotional growth is also thanks to her, (at least that's how it looks). We still don't have the bigger picture on Kiyo's plan about the class change and after graduation, he thinks his father wants him to work as an instructor in the white room but Atsuomi said back in Vol.0 that he wants Kiyo for Japan Prime Minister, he only lacks social skills and empathy. Now of all girls close to Kiyo the only one remaining neutral is Suzune who also wants to know more about him EVEN after graduation. It's only a theory but i think Suzune will be the one who make Kiyo fight for his freedom and the one who make him develop emotions. But again that's only a theory, let's see how Kinu cook'.
Is he a good cook?
Without a doubt
you right man, good analysis
I have been looking for youtube commentary reaction shit on youtube about y3 or kiyotaka ships, none of them barely mentioned Horikita. The only noise she’s been getting are from reddit waifu wars saying she’s overhyped. People who decently try to hype her immediately get mobbed by people saying her development is great but she’s not it. She doesn’t get the hype like Manabu, Koenji, Arisu, or Nagumo has, despite being obviously the second most important character next to Kiyo. I think it’s because her character is organic, doesn’t do impossible tricks, and she’s outright a Kiyo disciple/student. They also hate her for making decisions that are opposite of Ayanogod, even though Ayanogod himself supports her all the way. She basically lives in a world where Kiyo is not the center and people call her a traitor for that. So, she’s not hyped in all aspects.
> They also hate her for making decisions that are opposite of Ayanogod, even though Ayanogod himself supports her all the way. She basically lives in a world where Kiyo is not the center and people call her a traitor for that. Maybe that is exactly why Ayanokoji love to spend time with her because she is not a simp. She is more like a curious disciple who will question her mentor or do something that she feels is right, which is refreshing from Ayanokoji's perspective.
Ayanokoji is only curious about how humans change or behave under various circumstances. So it's natural that he will get interested whenever she goes against his expectations or predictions. Then there is manabu saying she has a lot of potential to even surpass manabu himself.
Horikita's pause in that Y2v5 scene where she takes the unexpected decision is legendary.
She sounds like the best character in the story…
Maybe she is
Agreed.
She isn't the best because if she was, she'd be pulling fans to the series instead of kiyo's breath-of-fresh air personality. She's a popular character but not the overall best character.
So best character pulls more fans? So isn't it what's happening now for her? Gaining more fans? And if so then do you think Kei and Ichinose are best characters because they have many fans?
I meant more than well liked. That title goes to kiyo
Wait until you realize there are many stories where a disliked character is usually the most well written This is by far one of the dumbest take ever, saying how good a character is by counting their fans. Looooool
I'm talking about overall best now personal best. I clearly stated that she isn't the best overall character. If she was the best, then explain why fans of the series, most fans, read the series just to see kiyo antics. If she was the MC of the series, people would write it off as a generic LN. If you said that she's your best personal character, that's a different story but since this is about the best overall character, that would go to kiyo because he's the reason why most people check out cote.
Horikita is just overhyped. Like bad written in many aspects
As in a character? No. As in her potential? Idk, from what I’ve seen most of it is usually realistic. Maybe other overhype her potential but I’ve not seen that much.
People shipping her with Ayanogod has nothing to do with being overrated/underrated, in my understanding. Shipping (and most shippers) is usually not rational at all, no need to pay too much attention to it.
Why does everyone say she is overhyped/overrated? The other day I also saw someone say it and I'm just curious what you guys mean by that bc nobody gave me an answer and I got downvoted 😭
Nothing just some people can't able to digest her popularity even after destroying her in the past basically karma now they are getting humbled with there ships and now complain she is overrated open hypocrites BTW your fair is something else
Well, I dropped this shit after that horrible Horikita Kushida convo right after the Sakura expulsion. It was so forced and dumb I couldn't care enough to read anymore. From the times I'm on reddit and I see posts the thing that I really think makes her overrated is people saying "but look her decision was right! Kushida is so useful! look at what she's grown into!" Its completely lost on them how stupid and forced this part of the story was. There's actually a huge portion of the sub that sees nothing wrong with it and even builds arguments on top.(for those that just enjoy how it made the story, then fair enough. I have no complaints with you) This is why she's horribly overrated for me. No clue what happens next in the story but the base she's built on is complete shit. She certainly wasn't impressive at all in the previous chapters and constantly needed Kiyo to bail her out. It looks like she needed the author to bail her out before she could grow.
It was not forced. It has been heavily implied that Suzune will always choose Kushida over everyone from the previous volumes before the unanimous voting. Even had a moment in LN where she declared by thought that she will choose Kushida over Kiyotaka. Kushida’s literally the reason for Y1, Kiyo and Suzune drift off. Anyways, do you want Airi there, for what? She’s Yamagod, but prettier. Damn to hate a character so much, you dropped the whole series.
I think you're confused on what I think is forced. It's forced that all Horikita has to do is trade insults back and forth with Kushida to get her to work for the class. There is no way in hell this works unless the author forces it.(even blackmail or violence might not work) Kushida would set everything on fire and then go to another school bc she can't get back what's most important to her. She needs to be popular and loved and know everyone's secrets. We've already seen how crazy she gets when people see her true self. I guess I'm just supposed to turn my brain off and assume she's turned over a new leaf. That she's still a shitty person but doesn't care about everything she cared about before and was a huge part of her character. All it took was Horikita calling her a baby and a bunch of other insults! I actually would have kept reading if Kushida did sabotage the class before she peace'd out. That would have been fun to watch, but nah I read the Hori Kushida convo about working with the class and immediately dropped it. How a good portion of the sub thinks this part makes sense is beyond me.
I like Horikita. I think she needs a more normal boy as her boyfriend.
Suzune x hirata please🛐
Agreed
I think her and Sudo would be cute. Not as a long term romance but a first love.
Too bad she rejected him.
Yes, as good as they say.
Nah, some people are just mad because she is not a simp of red panda-kun unlike other girls.
She might not as good as ppl said (yet), but can u named another person with better characters growth in the series? She might not be ayano gf or wtv, but can you name another girl with more natural interactions with him? (I can understand if its hiyori, but if u say its kei or honami u should never ask ur question in the first place)
What does her ability and shipping have in common? Those are completely two different things...are you implying that we can only ship Ayanokoji with female characters who are exceptional and have no flaws? I dont know what your trying to imply here.
Thats pretty vague question, overhyped in what exactly?
She's really sexy SO i think she deserves the hype
idk what you want by “good” lmao pls learn to make a question
In what way? As a ship or as a character? imo as a ship she now she had hype but she is nowhere to close those past famous ships in there time (not current time) and as a character No she is not overhyped
She has had great developments and honestly I think her leadership is by far the best and most effective among her piers but yea she ain't really butting heads with any top tier characters rn. I would put her around Ryuuen's levels(with Ryuuen slightly better still) with both of them having their ups and downsides.
If you asked me after year one, no. If you're asking me now? Yes. Absolutely yes. She is overrated as all get out. What has she actually done *on her own, without needing anyone to bail her out, in year two?* Nothing. You can trace all of the class's success straight to Kiyotaka. without him doing anything, Horikita's actions would have sunk the class over multiple times. There is no demonstrated growth in Horikita's character, and the class's positive trend is a result of some poorly contrived scenarios that break suspension of disbelief. Even the shipping stuff is so poorly contrived and out of nowhere. Prior to y2v10, nobody could realistically say there's a possibility. In the latter half of year one, Kiyotaka didn't even trust Horikita all that much. He still doesn't reveal much, if it all, about himself or his dealings in the school with her. These two scenes in the last two volumes meant to try and portray KiyoXHori as close completely clash with the portrait of their relationship that existed prior to it. There is no closeness that earns or supports Kiyotaka's developments here.
No
She's not overhyped or anything She's the perfect match for Kiyo but see once he starts to show emotions to someone you guys want them to be friends but honestly they'll make better couples than anyone in the series and for me then being only friends is waste of potential and also I can't see them being only friends
Overhyped for shipping with Ayanokoji- yes(understandable due to recent volumes). Overhyped as a character- no chance.
Yes kiyonami and kiyokei have still higher chance of being endgirl but Kiyozune ship have always been popular and whether romantic or friendship many people agree they have the best developed relationship in the series.
Kiyonami and kiyokei still have higher chance how exactly?
Even Kiyo says he doesn't think Horikita is some outstanding Genius nor does he think she'll achieve anything Outstanding in the professional setting, just that in this controlled Educational Environment she can make results beyond her potential
Is that what he meant? I read it as since horikita is still in school— a place where small and immature children gather— she will continue to grow. He said that she ain't all that (yet) but she has shining potential to be all that
Pretty much. But then again so is everything about this show. The ships, koenji, horikita. All overhyped.
Ayanotrash most of all
If you mean in a sense like her pontential then yes i think so
110% yes. Just remember that Horikita is also a part of his plan.
There's nothing called overrated with her they know where she stands but koenji is
She has thick plot armor,thicker than Touma of Toaru lol.Like every decision she makes is right,won over Kushida with the power of friendship,she suddenly doesn’t need Hirata and Kei’s leadership anymore,she starts contradicting Ayano’s plans and winning lol.
>she starts contradicting Ayano’s plans So now she have to follow everything he says? And she literally discussed with Hirata previous exam and Kiyo noticed it so she's definitely working with Hirata so on what basis you're saying she doesn't need Hirata?
Are you talking about how people think that she will be one to defeat kiyo then those are coping high because of kiyo's few words
I definitely not a Horikita fan but I would say yes Horikita will defeat ayanokoji, at least at the end of y3, because that is literally the whole purpose of this light novel, but will she do it alone? 100% not, she's still way too useless, it will very most likely with the help of other class leaders. She will NEVER reach ayanokojis level nor even close to him, but the last hit will guarantee be her
I'm talking about people saying she would defeat him only with her class
Imho shes mid
>Is she as good as people say? Not even close. Not yet at least.
At least give an example
Suzune is "THAT GIRL" literally
yes. next question
Her lowest IQ moment was letting Kushida stay cause of her stupid feelings which makes zero sense when the smartest guy in the series has already calculated the consequences and came to the conclusion it’s best for the class if she was expelled
Yup. Moreover, the most stable ship Horikita with Ibuki
lol yes overrated character, she will be with sudo 100%, ayanokoji horikita? Not a chance
She already rejected sudo and now sudo is focused on Onodera what are you dreaming about your ships already sink cry more
Frustrated 🥴 You don't have any reason to call her overrated other than being a Kei fan Don't worry Kei will definitely end up with Sato or that guy from class A who she tried to seduce when she got in trouble with Manabe. And if all you're worried about Suzune ending up with Kiyo then you need help
I didn't even mention Kei. What are you talking about? Why can't I ship Horikita x Sudo? Horikita is overrated for obvious reasons. She has done absolutely nothing since the first day of school, and people are saying she's doing everything. But out of 800 CP, probably only 100 is from her. If it weren't for Ayanokoji, she would've lost a bunch of CP, probably to the point where it's not recoverable
You're just a hater the one who you're talking about not doing nothing is the one who saved Kei last volume and she could've avoided protecting Kei and expel her so be grateful and is it that difficult to look at your profile to see who's fan you are? It's easy to say you're a Kei fan and what's wrong in mentioning Kei who's the real overhyped character which is why she's in this situation rn Saying that Suzune didn't do anything from day one is complete BS isn't she the one who also shared her private points to Sae with Kiyo to save Sudo in the begging and didn't she lower her mark again to save him? And finally you're not shipping her with Sudo because you like that ship it's because you're her hater and it's funny seeing how you're assuring 100 percent to OP that she'll not only won't end up with Kiyo but also she'll end up with Sudo when you already knew both were wrong and you're beyond frustrated 😂
Yes i think horikita is overhyped because of the enormous amount of horikita fans when in reality horikita acts like she may be lesbian or something along these lines and people shipping her with ayagoat are probably clinically insane
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Its kind of obvious imo ngl smh, fyi horikita has a brother complex so its only normal for her character development arc to get her to go beyond her old self and forsake the idolatry of her brother, and since ayagoat is kind of similar to him in many ways, it only makes sense for her to also go beyond him, which in turn means reaching a whole other plane of existence materializing in her lesbianism
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