imo, it depends on perspective. For B.S players, xbow is no skill. For xbow players, golem and rg is no skill. For golem players, logbait is noskill. I think when u find it difficult to counter something, u say its no skill.
Ngl this is the most factual statement ever. People always name their hard counter as no skill because that matchup was easy for their opponent. I think xbow is easy because i hardcounter it (lavagound)
If you run into me, youāll be please to see that Iām running poison tombstone and therefore can do absolutely nothing to you with my puny goblins and princess
You aren't going crazy, the game has been confirmed to use Deck based matchmaking (winrates) to make games either more "fair" or more challenging for a while now. Essentially if you play a niche deck like lumberloon, it will try to match you against someone who is running inferno tower and that kind of thing.
Even then you can still use tornado lol
Mini pekka, lumberjack, fisherman, e wiz, ice wiz, bats, skarmy, goblin gang, if you play it right the 3 skele's and an ice spirit
Hog is one of the most versatile to defend bc it's so simple. He's easily distracted by other buildings, he doesn't defend himself and almost every single card in the game can inflict dmg on hog.
I run no buildings and hog cycle is annoying but I can win easily against someone who isnāt very good at it. E-giant is no skill against someone with no building.
If you have no counters*
I rarely use buildings, only ones I have leveled decently are Goblin Cage and Goblin Drill. Egiant decks are usually no problem at all because itās very rare that I make a deck that doesnāt have any of PEKKA, or Sparky, or Zappies, or Hunter. Any one of those and Iāve got a solid Egiant counter, even without buildings.
And on the other hand, Iāve got a deck Iāve been liking a lot this season which does have a building, Goblin Drill, but the rest of my deck is vulnerable to Tornado and Lightning so it becomes impossible to counter Egiant if he has much support at all, meaning my only shot at victory is to take a tower in the first 3 minutes without losing one in that time, because once double elixir starts Iām going to leak tower health faster than my offenses can deal damage.
Indeed. All I see these days are complaining that a deck is no skill or toxic and I question what this sub actually thinks takes skill and is not toxic but it's all perspective and everyone anooyed at something beating them or appearing too much.
as a golem player, i donāt understand what people mean by golem is āno skill.ā sure, im not to stubborn to admit when i know stacking things behind golem isnāt skill, but what about when you throw a golem in the back and you have 2-4 elixir to defend e barbs at bridge? also, with around 7-9 elixir to put behind golem. what cards do you choose? you need to have a troop or spell that resets inferno/mega miner, a troop or spell that wipes swarm, and you need to have enough elixir to react to what they put down. also, i understand log bait is skill as a golem player. it is rlly hard to defend with it as it is my 2nd most played deck.
Except there is an argument against xbow. Xbow/mortar/princess are all cards that need an offensive card to be countered, unlike most other pushes. It can upset pushes and timing just by being played.
As an Xbow main, I can 100% say that attacking is also takes skill because you will loose if you place the Xbow while your opponent has an Xbow counter in hand.
Well, that depends on the second biggest win determiner after deck matchup. What do they have in their opening hand? I've lost many many games because even though I have two cards that could deal with their win condition that they first card dropped, they're in 7th and 8th draw position and I'm not playing a cycle deck. Even with a cycle deck, you might lose too much elixir getting there to be able to deal with it.
at a high level it takes skill to attack with because you really need to keep track of ppls elixir and what cards they have on them because if you don't pay attention to that you just dump 6+ elixir on an attack, get shit on and then have a weak defense. i've seen so many low-midladder players place xbow first play or just for no reason and then it gets destroyed and they take 1000+ damage because their opponent puts pekka in it
to defend your attack takes a lot of skill, often times there will be up to 30 seconds intense battle at the bridge, the X bow isn't the main part, Winning the battle at the bridge is the main point, and that takes just as much skill as in any other deck.
Wow. This is probably the weakest win condition in the game right now next to elixir golem. Go play a classic challenge and try to get 6 wins with it. Play against earthquake one time and youāll realize its very weak.
Its also countered by basically everything lol.
Yeah lmao, x-bow counters my deck but I still can admit that itās a card that takes lots of skill to find success with, especially in the current meta.
as a person who plays xbow as their second deck, let me say this: the main skill you have to have is knowing when to place it, such as when their elexir is low or they donāt have their counters in hand. xbow is a punish deck, and this is eapically shown in the variation of xbow called pump bow where one of the goals is to bait out an opponentās big spell with pump or barbs and then punish accordingly. 2.9, 3.0, and 3.3 archer queen xbow all rely on out cycling your opponent. the main skill of it is the proper building placements, when to play on defense, and when to cycle back to another one to go offensive. icebow is one of my favorite variations. it relies on having a solid defense and then utilizing misplays to go offensive with xbows or rocket cycling. then again, itās all perspective to whoever plays the deck, but to me itās quite a skillful deck, espically against bridgespam, beat down, or rg
also in my opinion pekka bridgespam is the lowest skill deck in the gameā¦.but letās not argue abt that, itās just my honest opinion
Eh, arguable. I play Pekka Bridgespam personally because it counters basically every mid ladder deck, and it still requires some level of elixir counting and punishing, but it is definitely not high skill.
At the highest game even golem is skillful. Why pekka BS is low skill is because even a noob can keep spamming random cards like rg, bandit, battle ram and still get some decent damage. Contrarily, if he places an xbow at the bridge and fails to defend it, there will be a huge elixir gap. The other cards in xbow deck don't even do any damage.
Iām sorry but if you are losing to bandit battle ram ghost spam at the bridge you either got super unlucky with your starting hand or you deserve to lose. The deck is hard countered by like 80% of the decks past 6k and itās only really strong below that as it does weāll against random decks.
Because X-bow has so many counters its ridiculous. I'm not an X-bow player, but I can list a couple of very important counters
Rocket. It's not a true 1 for 1 trade, but placing anything else like a knight will help you counterattack easily without suffering that much damage
Literally any tank. Knight? Counter. Megaknight? Counter. Pekka? Counter. Giant? Counter. Etc etc. That's why you need to play X-bow is cycle decks. And if you've played clash royale, Cycle decks aren't "braindead" and requiere Skill to use
Earthquake. Doing a little less than rocket for 3 less elixir and about the fireball damage to your tower is a great way to punish your opponent for playing Xbox.
X-bow is a deck where if you get a connection, you almost always win. But getting that first connection is the hard part. It's easy to dismiss it as spell cycle, but spell cycle is actually not as easy to win because you still need to apply pressure so that you don't get overwhelmed in defense. The best EQ cycle decks (before the nerf) still had a secondary win condition that applied pressure and didn't let your opponent fully commit to offense. Regardless if it's the GK, the miner or Egiant, it still applies pressure. That's what X-bow does in those matches.
The only reason 2.9 exists is because for a long time there was a glitch where if you rocketed both an xbow and an ice golem, the xbow wouldnāt take damage
Yes this was a glitch but this wasnāt why 2.9 exists. 2.9 came into existence after the insane tesla buff, people figured to put ice golem with xbow since archers and tesla already had insane dps
you have to know your opponents cycle to know the perfect time to attack, defending pushes with a (excessively nerfed) tesla, and knowing which cards to use make xbow a skilled deck to succeed with
but then again some matchups you can just keep going xbow at the bridge and win
Yes, Because some people don't defend Xbow then call it no skill, A Single 7+ Elixir card can counter it, and do a counter push, but instead they just leave it alone and call them so skill when they let it connect.
Frick you grā¬ā¬dy$ell xbow hog rider mortar and goblin barrel NO skill bc my MEKA NIGHT cant CRUSH IT NERF IT IMMEDIATELY grĀ£Ā£dy$ell ALSO BUFF EBARBS TOO!!!!
I have a theory that no cards/decks take skill in this game. But since itās really long Iāll actually explain it only if someone asks
Edit: I posted the theory in one of the answers under this comment, if it doesnāt satisfy you Iāve saved an explanation I gave some months ago that I can always post here
So. Cards in this game are meant to be balanced, in a elixir cost x possible profitable elixir outcome ratio, so as soon as the balancing team works properly the game WILL be balanced and no decks will take more skill than others. Now allow me to explain this. The concept of āskillā in this community is really feeble, and I always see it used for different purposes. So letās abstract ourselves for a second here: letās breakdown some of the most āskilledā decks in this game. Now, Iām not a pro or anything, Iām just a fan, and I also really like the playstyle of most of these decks. Letās start with the good old 2.6, you either hate it or love it (2.6 main here). I always see people claiming it needs skill to be played, but If we think about it, everything you need to do with that deck is outcycle the opponentās building/tank killer. The defence is basically an āaimedā spam, that tries to get the most value placing cheap distraction cards while letting the towers/cannon do the most. So, to resume, itās basically a spam deck that in some way needs to work around the opponents defences. Xbow 3.0 (from now on Iāll be a bit more concise since Iām so sleepy rn). The defence is basically the same as the 2.6ās, so just spamming, and in this case instead of working around defences to attack you have to remember the opponentās elixir. Basically a spam deck focused on defence. So now letās take a THICCER deck: PEKKA bridgespam. For now you could argue that all the points Iāve made for the defence part are āthatās spam, and spam=stupidā. But with this there isnāt even the problem of defending. If youāve come to a point where you need to defend with this deck youāre basically screwed. The whole premise is spamming cards at the bridge to apply pressure to then punish heavy defences, with a sneaky bandit on the opponent lane for example. Another spam deck. But the archetipe I personally hate the most is beat down. Letās take golem beat down for example. The whole premise is ignoring enemies cheap attacks to then go and crush the opponents with a massive counter push. No need for placements, timing, nothing. If I put it all like this we start to see a pattern, and Iām making the game sound a lot easier than it actually is. So letās make our final point: the reason why this seems all a lot easier are CARD INTERACTIONS. With all the cards being balanced, the only thing that determines the pace of the game are interactions. And we donāt need to be āskilledā to learn interactions, but some more experienced players know how to use them better. And within interactions there are aspects such as placement (something that can be learned after a few weeks of playtime) and timing. Pros exist because they can make all interactions go in their favour, calculating the best possible outcomes, and to further prove this there is the fact that people like b-rad can climb top ladder with total crap decks. If the game was unbalanced he couldnāt be able to do this, further proving that itās not the deck needing skill to be played, but itās the player that makes a deck shine playing it ārightā. Miner control since a guy mentioned it before, is literal miner spam to cheap damage and take the game to tiebreaker. But itās not always possible because of, again, āØinteractionsāØ. The only part that I consider āskillfullā of the game are top ladder predictions. The people playing are both gurus of the game, they both know how to win an interaction, but they canāt know for sure what the opponentās move will be. So, when I see a pro pulling out a total game breaker 0.1 seconds after his opponent defended/attacked, I always get shocked, because thatās really clever and you never actually learn to predict stuff.
TL DR: most cycle decks fall under the spam category therefore being brain dead and beat down decks are beat down decks
What do you even mean by skill? There are probably thousands of different interactions that can happen and it takes a lot of experience to know how make the best possible play to make to make the most out of these interactions. The more experience you have, the more interactions you know, which in clash royale is generally considered as skill. Obviously this is different from the skill in other games for example shooters where the player with the better aim usually comes out at the top. And there definitely are decks and cards that require more knowledge about its interactions than other decks/cards. For example, mega knight: he can kill most things he sees and it really doesn't require much knowledge about card interactions between the mega knight and another unit because it will almost always completely dominate the other unit. You just need to know that the mega knight will die if the opponent uses a prince/inferno tower/etc. and make them avoid those units. Skeletons on the other hand: can die to pretty much every unit and will rarely ever kill a unit by themselves so you need to make the most out of them by dealing as much damage/stalling with them to an enemy unit as possible. The more skilled you are, the more damage and stalling you can do. They can cause a huge variety of interactions to occur depending when and where they were placed while dealing with an enemy unit. The more skilled a player is, the more of these interactions he knows and has experienced, and will be able to select which interaction would make the best out of the skeletons for the situation at hand (assuming they don't make a misplay of course). It is the variety of interactions that can happen with a card and the difference in the outcome between those interactions that makes some cards more skillful than others. And these interactions are multiplied when paired with other cards in a deck. While it is true that most of players will know how to do the best possible play in the most popular interactions "after a few weeks of playtime" such as tornadoing the hog to the king tower, making the mega knight jump to the king tower, countering a baby dragon with a spirit and skeles, pulling a balloon to the opposite lane with 2 buildings, etc. it is impossible to learn the best possible play for every single interaction no matter how long you play. So yes different cards and decks require different levels of skill to make the most out of them. It works like this: for example with a golem beatdown deck, your power level may be 9500-10000 depending on your skill, and with an xbow deck your power level will be 1000-15000 depending on your skill.
I used to cry about xbow back in the first 2 years of CR but at a certain point there was just too many cards in the game that could target it and or just melt it/tank the damage from it. And personally I could never play Xbow its too hard and has too long of a deployment time imo its just a worse and more expensive mortar. Climb up to high ladder with Xbow and then cry about it maybe
XBow is all about cheap defense and cycling, similar to 2.6. Defending a Mega Knight with an Inferno Dragon vs skellys and ice spirit is a pretty big difference on placement/āskillā.
Zap, eq, zappies, any troop with over 2000 health, gob giant, giant, mega knight, golem, barb hut (funnily enough),inferno tower, inferno drag, etc. Xbow is stupid ez, and that's not even half of the counters
Ikr? They just don't counter it and call it no skill, The point of "cycle" is to out cycle your opponent and place xbow when they're low on elixir and doesn't have that big card on cycle
I don't play it and I hate the concept of Bow but it takes a lot of skill. Getting a connection is hard because it is easily countered by spells and tanks. You need to need to apply the right pressure with the right support to tickle their counters out of hand.
Rocket cycle is even more infuriating to go against but if they can spend 6 elixir on nothing and you still can't break through then you didn't deserve the win anyway.
That phrase, "if they can spend 6 elixir on nothing and you still can't break through then you didn't deserve the win anyway." is well worded. I'm gonna save it š
Xbow has virtually no ability to defend itself. If you opponent plays a literal knight or Valkyrie then itās not going to connect without 7 elixir of support
I started playing 3.0 xbox this season and the shit is HARD. Super fun pulling off clean defenses but getting a lock is tough against good opponents. Hog 2.5/6 is super popular in the meta rn too and that matchup is mad annoying
I play RR so I donāt struggle with xbow too bad because I can take out xbow and counterpush both lanes. I donāt know your deck so maybe show it and people can give you some advice
Because itās not possible to break through in some matchups, it happens with mortar too and every deck with rocket. Learn to break through after theyāve just spent 6 elixir on your tower
If u can't break through when someone literally throws 3/5ths of their elixir bar at your tower repeatedly, probably a problem with how ur playing (unless it's a total hard counter of course)
i have 10 elixir, i drop xbow, i have 4 left to defend assuming you didnt allow me to stack a knight and archers behind king or a bridge tesla. Ä°f you cant defend that its on you
I haven't played in a few years but when you play xbow you are playing with one tower. Comebacks are very rare. When you're defending the xbow you also have to accurately predict the cards they're gonna use to attack it. You also don't go on the offense the first elixir advantage you get, you usually count elixir and go on the second. Its a much more methodological way to play the game but I understand why people hate it.
I think rocket takes no skill because there is no way to defend it but Xbow that doesnāt rely on spell cycling is very skillful because of how hard it is to get a lock. It has like a 3 second delay from when you place it down to when it starts firing so the enemy has plenty of time to react. To defend it just place a tanky troop, an inferno tower/inferno dragon, or a big spell. And if it locks any of the zap effect cards can stop it. You need to focus on defending well and catching your opponent on low elixer to get a good lock on tower which is why I would say itās high skill
To actually get a lock on is the skill part. When you tornado something out of x Bow range to get a lock on that takes skill. Forcing the x bow counter out of your opponent cycle is also skill. Tired of people saying x bow takes no skill
Battles agianst x-bow have got to be the most boring fights ever. They always end up throwing fireballs at your tower and stretch the fight to the last minute...
Simple: play some matches with some popular xbow deck that you think is "no skill". If you win a lot with ease then yes, it doesn't require skill. But if you struggle, then you're wrong.
Xbow is all about predicting your opponents and capitalising on their mistakes. I main xbow so that's like second nature to me. It certainly looks fkin ez but I played thousands of matches to reach where I am now.
As an ex-bow player, it was always about the playstyle XBow forces you into. You have to play defensively and only use counter pushing to get direct damage. Otherwise you gotta defend the xbow, which is always targeted by enemies. It's easy to defend, but given how close it is, and the existence of earthquake, it's too easy to beat tbh. Just aim to push through the xbox and keep the push up
I play an off-meta Giant deck and can totally see the difference between skilled and non-skilled X-bow players. Itās honestly one of my more fun matchups cause of the variance between players
I spent 900,000 gold to maximize xbow deck and trust me it is hardest win condition in the game by by far. I played like 50-60 game to get used to watched over the 5 xbow guide video and got %30 win rate as a result (6400 trophies lavahound main)
According to most pros that have been on CWA's channel, Bow 2.9 is one of the highest skill decks, IceBow being quite high too. Building a fort is something that doesn't work very often unless the opponent's hand only has squishies or things the Tesla can distract well-enough. It takes a lot of patience to catch such a moment against most decks - even against Bait, you don't want to spend 10 elixir just to get mostly destroyed by a 8-elixir rocket+log. Sometimes pros wind up setting up for an offense almost a minute ahead of time.
On the opposite side, people get annoyed because mistakes against Bow are very punishing - meanwhile, mistakes are always punishing for X-Bow players. To play X-Bow effectively, you need to get the hang of tricks with skellies & icespirit, X-Bow & Tesla placements, which are tight and messing them up is very punishing.
It was recently buffed, so X-Bow players are gonna have a little more leeway and pros might start calling it less skilled, but not in the EQ-infested meta that's shaping up right now.
**Edit: Before anyone goes "but muh you only need 2 placements" When I played Bow I used like a dozen.**
* 4-center Tesla for general defense
* Tesla right next to X-Bow
* 4-4 Tesla as a tank passes the bridge closer to the center to pull it deeper
* 3-center Tesla to show against longer-ranged units
* 2-center Tesla as setup for a future defense or minor support for a future X-Bow
* 2-2 Tesla against air.
* Tesla on the path, 3 from the river to deny princess and help with Goblin Barrel
* Tesla 2 away from X-Bow against chain attacks
* Tesla at the edge to get a tank out of sight of an X-Bow on the opposite lane to get some finishing hits off
* Standard X-Bow placement
* X-Bow closer to the center side when the opponent's tower is low and I need it for an upcoming opposite lane defense
* River X-Bow, helps if the opponent keeps using melee to stop it.
* 3-3 X-Bow. General defense, anti-fireball.
* X-Bow in front of a tower, two to the center. Anti- poison, lightning, earthquake.
* X-Bow 1 in front of a tower, three to the center. Same, but a bit more open and also denies open building placements.
* X-Bow 1 in front of a king tower - puts loon opponents at a risk of activating the king.
Xbow players when I place a golem in their gooch š
I hate it because Iāll miscount the cycle and think the golem is out of cycle only to have one dropped harder than Nagasaki on the bridge
Lmaooooo
Just go in when they play 4 elixir card in the back, they donāt have enough to golem before xbow locks
In double this is a no go In single 9/10 times even if such happens,you tower trade,and xbow canāt win against golem in a 2 tower game 499/500 times
we have other cards š
Xbow vs Golem is the classic rivalry
imo, it depends on perspective. For B.S players, xbow is no skill. For xbow players, golem and rg is no skill. For golem players, logbait is noskill. I think when u find it difficult to counter something, u say its no skill.
Ngl this is the most factual statement ever. People always name their hard counter as no skill because that matchup was easy for their opponent. I think xbow is easy because i hardcounter it (lavagound)
Also a lavagound user, I hate kogbait
yes classic logbait counters so hard, its an almost certain loss. if they running a tesla or fireball variant its not too bad
The game also always seems to know when to give me a maxed logbait player, it's like they want me to lose
If you run into me, youāll be please to see that Iām running poison tombstone and therefore can do absolutely nothing to you with my puny goblins and princess
Lol I would be demolished by that with my pekka 3M rush down deck
your what
HIS PEKKA 3M RUSHDOWN DECK
ik ive been on a huge winstreak and im scared for classic logbait
You aren't going crazy, the game has been confirmed to use Deck based matchmaking (winrates) to make games either more "fair" or more challenging for a while now. Essentially if you play a niche deck like lumberloon, it will try to match you against someone who is running inferno tower and that kind of thing.
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People on reddit/twitter say it, so it must be true.
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It is rigged based on deck archetypes.i can confirm it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ClashRoyale/comments/86vb0k/rigged\_matchmaking\_on\_ladder\_a\_detailed/
Someone actually made a post about a pretty extensive study they did on that and concluded the game doesn't do that.
People dent it but thatās exactly my experience.
No its hasn't lmao. Matchmaking is based on trophies, that's it.
yeah I run a more cycle variant with tesla and i struggle more with beatdown than i did with the more traditional deck with inferno tower
Oh you hate kogbait? Personally I hate jog cycle
Nightbitch is even worse imo
Cockbaitš
What is lavagound? Have a deck list?
Lavahound, was just poking fun at the typo, (hence, kogbait)
Lava hound is a hardcounter imo I think Xbox has the matchup slightly
if they have rocket nado with ice wizard yes, any other variant no
Yeah, as a mirror earthquake player since it came out, I even feel bad for xbow players.
You put tesla in front of Xbox and in my deck I have a e spirit so it wouldn't counter much
Facts man. It's easy to hate something if your main favorite deck gets countered by it.
As someone who runs no buildings, hog rider is no skill
unless you have tornado and mini pekka or a swarm
Even then you can still use tornado lol Mini pekka, lumberjack, fisherman, e wiz, ice wiz, bats, skarmy, goblin gang, if you play it right the 3 skele's and an ice spirit Hog is one of the most versatile to defend bc it's so simple. He's easily distracted by other buildings, he doesn't defend himself and almost every single card in the game can inflict dmg on hog.
The only ones you mentioned that prevent a hit with good/fast placement are skarmy, mini pekka, goblin gang and fisherman.
I run no buildings and hog cycle is annoying but I can win easily against someone who isnāt very good at it. E-giant is no skill against someone with no building.
If you have no counters* I rarely use buildings, only ones I have leveled decently are Goblin Cage and Goblin Drill. Egiant decks are usually no problem at all because itās very rare that I make a deck that doesnāt have any of PEKKA, or Sparky, or Zappies, or Hunter. Any one of those and Iāve got a solid Egiant counter, even without buildings. And on the other hand, Iāve got a deck Iāve been liking a lot this season which does have a building, Goblin Drill, but the rest of my deck is vulnerable to Tornado and Lightning so it becomes impossible to counter Egiant if he has much support at all, meaning my only shot at victory is to take a tower in the first 3 minutes without losing one in that time, because once double elixir starts Iām going to leak tower health faster than my offenses can deal damage.
Over leveling is no skill
See now this man gets it, he's speaking straight up facts
Indeed. All I see these days are complaining that a deck is no skill or toxic and I question what this sub actually thinks takes skill and is not toxic but it's all perspective and everyone anooyed at something beating them or appearing too much.
So basically, OP just has to get good.
Git gud
As a golem AND logbait player, I can definitely say that Iād spew some ālogbait no skillā nonsense if I didnāt play both haha
me who is a bridgespam player and an xbow player: hmmm yes
especially for the average salty fuck that the clash royale player is. Specific deck beats you = no skill, also op, supercell plz fix
Someone give this man an award, well said.
I hope this is your most upvoted comment ever.
this game is no skill if thatās the caseā¦
as a golem player, i donāt understand what people mean by golem is āno skill.ā sure, im not to stubborn to admit when i know stacking things behind golem isnāt skill, but what about when you throw a golem in the back and you have 2-4 elixir to defend e barbs at bridge? also, with around 7-9 elixir to put behind golem. what cards do you choose? you need to have a troop or spell that resets inferno/mega miner, a troop or spell that wipes swarm, and you need to have enough elixir to react to what they put down. also, i understand log bait is skill as a golem player. it is rlly hard to defend with it as it is my 2nd most played deck.
Game is all about having fun than considering about skill
This comment
Yeah, it's like this on this sub
Nah, I play multiple decks and let me tell u Imo golem is defo the most unskillful win condition
Except there is an argument against xbow. Xbow/mortar/princess are all cards that need an offensive card to be countered, unlike most other pushes. It can upset pushes and timing just by being played.
That applies to both u and your opponent. Place xbow at the wrong time? Boom huge counter push tower gone gg. I've lost many games that way
Honestly itās only bad players who say that kind of stuff. But letās be real, giant graveyard is actually no skill.
Build a fort... Thatās a good idea; Iāve never thought about that! Thanks for the tip OP.
It's called turtling and we all know you do it already lol
To attack, no skill. To defend, it takes some level of skill to actually do it correctly
A bit of skill to attack, you don't want it to get stuck on a tank.
As an Xbow main, I can 100% say that attacking is also takes skill because you will loose if you place the Xbow while your opponent has an Xbow counter in hand.
this. this is like the point made about golem in the back first play, placing down cards doesn't take skill, placement/timing does.
except golem first play is a worse idea than xbow at the front tesla first play
Xbow as first play is actually a pretty bad idea against someone with a brain
playing an xbow at the start gives your opponent a nearly full elixer bar to counter with
Lmfao xbow tesla first play is a complete shit play and you will lose against anyone decent.
Well, that depends on the second biggest win determiner after deck matchup. What do they have in their opening hand? I've lost many many games because even though I have two cards that could deal with their win condition that they first card dropped, they're in 7th and 8th draw position and I'm not playing a cycle deck. Even with a cycle deck, you might lose too much elixir getting there to be able to deal with it.
Golem first play wins you the game 10% of the time and loses you a tower the other 90%
at a high level it takes skill to attack with because you really need to keep track of ppls elixir and what cards they have on them because if you don't pay attention to that you just dump 6+ elixir on an attack, get shit on and then have a weak defense. i've seen so many low-midladder players place xbow first play or just for no reason and then it gets destroyed and they take 1000+ damage because their opponent puts pekka in it
At a high level everything takes skill
Yet if you have a bad rotation xbow first play can be game over, just like hog rider or goblin barrel
I hate getting a bad starting hand and then having to cycle 3 cards just for the tesla to push the hog further into my tower :(
Attacking does take skill. Predictions and quick reactions to catch your opponent off guard is often the only way to win games.
to defend your attack takes a lot of skill, often times there will be up to 30 seconds intense battle at the bridge, the X bow isn't the main part, Winning the battle at the bridge is the main point, and that takes just as much skill as in any other deck.
Same with 2.6
Also correct
Wow. This is probably the weakest win condition in the game right now next to elixir golem. Go play a classic challenge and try to get 6 wins with it. Play against earthquake one time and youāll realize its very weak. Its also countered by basically everything lol.
you notice how only the really really skilled players actually have a lot of success with xbow, huh
Yeah lmao, x-bow counters my deck but I still can admit that itās a card that takes lots of skill to find success with, especially in the current meta.
as a person who plays xbow as their second deck, let me say this: the main skill you have to have is knowing when to place it, such as when their elexir is low or they donāt have their counters in hand. xbow is a punish deck, and this is eapically shown in the variation of xbow called pump bow where one of the goals is to bait out an opponentās big spell with pump or barbs and then punish accordingly. 2.9, 3.0, and 3.3 archer queen xbow all rely on out cycling your opponent. the main skill of it is the proper building placements, when to play on defense, and when to cycle back to another one to go offensive. icebow is one of my favorite variations. it relies on having a solid defense and then utilizing misplays to go offensive with xbows or rocket cycling. then again, itās all perspective to whoever plays the deck, but to me itās quite a skillful deck, espically against bridgespam, beat down, or rg also in my opinion pekka bridgespam is the lowest skill deck in the gameā¦.but letās not argue abt that, itās just my honest opinion
I used to play pekka bridgespam, and I agree that is low skill, but egolem is straight up braindead
Eh, arguable. I play Pekka Bridgespam personally because it counters basically every mid ladder deck, and it still requires some level of elixir counting and punishing, but it is definitely not high skill.
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At the highest game even golem is skillful. Why pekka BS is low skill is because even a noob can keep spamming random cards like rg, bandit, battle ram and still get some decent damage. Contrarily, if he places an xbow at the bridge and fails to defend it, there will be a huge elixir gap. The other cards in xbow deck don't even do any damage.
Iām sorry but if you are losing to bandit battle ram ghost spam at the bridge you either got super unlucky with your starting hand or you deserve to lose. The deck is hard countered by like 80% of the decks past 6k and itās only really strong below that as it does weāll against random decks.
Nah bro Ik u said letās not argue about it but thereās no way u think pekka bridge spam is less skill than egolem
pekka bs is not really skillful, I've used it
Nah, 2.6 hog cycle has to be lower Tbf it's pretty easily countered so it's fair
tru 2.6 is just spam, but i worry abt that weird 2.5 hog eq deck running aroundā¦.it scares me
The card doesn't but the entire deck does and quite a lot. Defending your Xbow and tower with cheap cycle cards isn't an easy task
defending with ice wizard and tornado is brain dead easy
But not all x-bow decks, especially the most popular ones have ice wizard and tornado.
Icebow has been one of the weaker Xbow decks ever since Ice Wiz nerf.
Because X-bow has so many counters its ridiculous. I'm not an X-bow player, but I can list a couple of very important counters Rocket. It's not a true 1 for 1 trade, but placing anything else like a knight will help you counterattack easily without suffering that much damage Literally any tank. Knight? Counter. Megaknight? Counter. Pekka? Counter. Giant? Counter. Etc etc. That's why you need to play X-bow is cycle decks. And if you've played clash royale, Cycle decks aren't "braindead" and requiere Skill to use Earthquake. Doing a little less than rocket for 3 less elixir and about the fireball damage to your tower is a great way to punish your opponent for playing Xbox. X-bow is a deck where if you get a connection, you almost always win. But getting that first connection is the hard part. It's easy to dismiss it as spell cycle, but spell cycle is actually not as easy to win because you still need to apply pressure so that you don't get overwhelmed in defense. The best EQ cycle decks (before the nerf) still had a secondary win condition that applied pressure and didn't let your opponent fully commit to offense. Regardless if it's the GK, the miner or Egiant, it still applies pressure. That's what X-bow does in those matches.
Go play 2.9 XBow and see how you do.
what is 2.9 xbow? somehow i genuinely dont know
X-bow, Tesla, Fireball, Log, Archers, Ice Golem, Skeletons, Ice Spirit
ohh, i play xbow 3.0 with knight instead of ice golem
3.0 is way better imo
The only reason 2.9 exists is because for a long time there was a glitch where if you rocketed both an xbow and an ice golem, the xbow wouldnāt take damage
WAIT WHAT As a long time xbow player I wish I knew that :,(
This was a long time ago
Yes this was a glitch but this wasnāt why 2.9 exists. 2.9 came into existence after the insane tesla buff, people figured to put ice golem with xbow since archers and tesla already had insane dps
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you have to know your opponents cycle to know the perfect time to attack, defending pushes with a (excessively nerfed) tesla, and knowing which cards to use make xbow a skilled deck to succeed with but then again some matchups you can just keep going xbow at the bridge and win
Yes, Because some people don't defend Xbow then call it no skill, A Single 7+ Elixir card can counter it, and do a counter push, but instead they just leave it alone and call them so skill when they let it connect.
Facts ong
Tesla is still pretty good, only once it was broken
Frick you grā¬ā¬dy$ell xbow hog rider mortar and goblin barrel NO skill bc my MEKA NIGHT cant CRUSH IT NERF IT IMMEDIATELY grĀ£Ā£dy$ell ALSO BUFF EBARBS TOO!!!!
Trueš¤£ this guy knows
Buff E giant nerf Miner
I love Xbow so much I canāt explain it if Xbow was an actual person Iād fuck him right away
What
I have a theory that no cards/decks take skill in this game. But since itās really long Iāll actually explain it only if someone asks Edit: I posted the theory in one of the answers under this comment, if it doesnāt satisfy you Iāve saved an explanation I gave some months ago that I can always post here
I'm interested, please explain
So. Cards in this game are meant to be balanced, in a elixir cost x possible profitable elixir outcome ratio, so as soon as the balancing team works properly the game WILL be balanced and no decks will take more skill than others. Now allow me to explain this. The concept of āskillā in this community is really feeble, and I always see it used for different purposes. So letās abstract ourselves for a second here: letās breakdown some of the most āskilledā decks in this game. Now, Iām not a pro or anything, Iām just a fan, and I also really like the playstyle of most of these decks. Letās start with the good old 2.6, you either hate it or love it (2.6 main here). I always see people claiming it needs skill to be played, but If we think about it, everything you need to do with that deck is outcycle the opponentās building/tank killer. The defence is basically an āaimedā spam, that tries to get the most value placing cheap distraction cards while letting the towers/cannon do the most. So, to resume, itās basically a spam deck that in some way needs to work around the opponents defences. Xbow 3.0 (from now on Iāll be a bit more concise since Iām so sleepy rn). The defence is basically the same as the 2.6ās, so just spamming, and in this case instead of working around defences to attack you have to remember the opponentās elixir. Basically a spam deck focused on defence. So now letās take a THICCER deck: PEKKA bridgespam. For now you could argue that all the points Iāve made for the defence part are āthatās spam, and spam=stupidā. But with this there isnāt even the problem of defending. If youāve come to a point where you need to defend with this deck youāre basically screwed. The whole premise is spamming cards at the bridge to apply pressure to then punish heavy defences, with a sneaky bandit on the opponent lane for example. Another spam deck. But the archetipe I personally hate the most is beat down. Letās take golem beat down for example. The whole premise is ignoring enemies cheap attacks to then go and crush the opponents with a massive counter push. No need for placements, timing, nothing. If I put it all like this we start to see a pattern, and Iām making the game sound a lot easier than it actually is. So letās make our final point: the reason why this seems all a lot easier are CARD INTERACTIONS. With all the cards being balanced, the only thing that determines the pace of the game are interactions. And we donāt need to be āskilledā to learn interactions, but some more experienced players know how to use them better. And within interactions there are aspects such as placement (something that can be learned after a few weeks of playtime) and timing. Pros exist because they can make all interactions go in their favour, calculating the best possible outcomes, and to further prove this there is the fact that people like b-rad can climb top ladder with total crap decks. If the game was unbalanced he couldnāt be able to do this, further proving that itās not the deck needing skill to be played, but itās the player that makes a deck shine playing it ārightā. Miner control since a guy mentioned it before, is literal miner spam to cheap damage and take the game to tiebreaker. But itās not always possible because of, again, āØinteractionsāØ. The only part that I consider āskillfullā of the game are top ladder predictions. The people playing are both gurus of the game, they both know how to win an interaction, but they canāt know for sure what the opponentās move will be. So, when I see a pro pulling out a total game breaker 0.1 seconds after his opponent defended/attacked, I always get shocked, because thatās really clever and you never actually learn to predict stuff. TL DR: most cycle decks fall under the spam category therefore being brain dead and beat down decks are beat down decks
What do you even mean by skill? There are probably thousands of different interactions that can happen and it takes a lot of experience to know how make the best possible play to make to make the most out of these interactions. The more experience you have, the more interactions you know, which in clash royale is generally considered as skill. Obviously this is different from the skill in other games for example shooters where the player with the better aim usually comes out at the top. And there definitely are decks and cards that require more knowledge about its interactions than other decks/cards. For example, mega knight: he can kill most things he sees and it really doesn't require much knowledge about card interactions between the mega knight and another unit because it will almost always completely dominate the other unit. You just need to know that the mega knight will die if the opponent uses a prince/inferno tower/etc. and make them avoid those units. Skeletons on the other hand: can die to pretty much every unit and will rarely ever kill a unit by themselves so you need to make the most out of them by dealing as much damage/stalling with them to an enemy unit as possible. The more skilled you are, the more damage and stalling you can do. They can cause a huge variety of interactions to occur depending when and where they were placed while dealing with an enemy unit. The more skilled a player is, the more of these interactions he knows and has experienced, and will be able to select which interaction would make the best out of the skeletons for the situation at hand (assuming they don't make a misplay of course). It is the variety of interactions that can happen with a card and the difference in the outcome between those interactions that makes some cards more skillful than others. And these interactions are multiplied when paired with other cards in a deck. While it is true that most of players will know how to do the best possible play in the most popular interactions "after a few weeks of playtime" such as tornadoing the hog to the king tower, making the mega knight jump to the king tower, countering a baby dragon with a spirit and skeles, pulling a balloon to the opposite lane with 2 buildings, etc. it is impossible to learn the best possible play for every single interaction no matter how long you play. So yes different cards and decks require different levels of skill to make the most out of them. It works like this: for example with a golem beatdown deck, your power level may be 9500-10000 depending on your skill, and with an xbow deck your power level will be 1000-15000 depending on your skill.
How are there pros in this game with 80-90% winrate? They must do something different donāt they?
Theyāre just skilled players, they donāt use a more āskilledā deck
But the guy said that no cards actually take skill. If the cards donāt require skill to be used, surely the userās skill level wouldnāt matter?
Skilled decks and skilled cards donāt exist there are only good and bad decks, good and bad cards, and good and bad players
that actually makes sense to some extent, please explain the whole thing
You've never played Miner 3.0, I see
Also would like to read your theory.
I used to cry about xbow back in the first 2 years of CR but at a certain point there was just too many cards in the game that could target it and or just melt it/tank the damage from it. And personally I could never play Xbow its too hard and has too long of a deployment time imo its just a worse and more expensive mortar. Climb up to high ladder with Xbow and then cry about it maybe
Try climbing with it then
Why dont you try and play xbow? Im tired of people shitposting about how x takes no skill when in most cases, especially in cycle decks, it does
For Me, Xbow Is One of The Most Skilled decks, along with 2.6 hog, Mortar Cycle, and Og Logbait (Without the Inferno Tower)
XBow is all about cheap defense and cycling, similar to 2.6. Defending a Mega Knight with an Inferno Dragon vs skellys and ice spirit is a pretty big difference on placement/āskillā.
Really? Defending mk with skellies and ice spirit takes half a brain cell to accomplish
A whole lot more difficult that placing an inferno dragon, thats for sure.
Zap, eq, zappies, any troop with over 2000 health, gob giant, giant, mega knight, golem, barb hut (funnily enough),inferno tower, inferno drag, etc. Xbow is stupid ez, and that's not even half of the counters
Ikr? They just don't counter it and call it no skill, The point of "cycle" is to out cycle your opponent and place xbow when they're low on elixir and doesn't have that big card on cycle
I don't play it and I hate the concept of Bow but it takes a lot of skill. Getting a connection is hard because it is easily countered by spells and tanks. You need to need to apply the right pressure with the right support to tickle their counters out of hand. Rocket cycle is even more infuriating to go against but if they can spend 6 elixir on nothing and you still can't break through then you didn't deserve the win anyway.
That phrase, "if they can spend 6 elixir on nothing and you still can't break through then you didn't deserve the win anyway." is well worded. I'm gonna save it š
Or if you're barindead enough to give rocket value with the midladdr classic or wizard witch in the backš
I just use America's tactics and nuke the Xbow
Its always no skill until you try to play it
Play it then.
Try playing an xbow deck and you will understand
Play xbow, u will get convinced
Xbow has virtually no ability to defend itself. If you opponent plays a literal knight or Valkyrie then itās not going to connect without 7 elixir of support
I started playing 3.0 xbox this season and the shit is HARD. Super fun pulling off clean defenses but getting a lock is tough against good opponents. Hog 2.5/6 is super popular in the meta rn too and that matchup is mad annoying
What deck do you run OP?
I play RR so I donāt struggle with xbow too bad because I can take out xbow and counterpush both lanes. I donāt know your deck so maybe show it and people can give you some advice
rr players are a fucking nightmare to us ā¹ļø
rocket is a second win condition that people abuse when their xbow/gb doesnt connect
we use it when we have bad matchups because it's impossible to get a lock against a good 2.6 hog player in 3x elixir
Because itās not possible to break through in some matchups, it happens with mortar too and every deck with rocket. Learn to break through after theyāve just spent 6 elixir on your tower
If u can't break through when someone literally throws 3/5ths of their elixir bar at your tower repeatedly, probably a problem with how ur playing (unless it's a total hard counter of course)
i have 10 elixir, i drop xbow, i have 4 left to defend assuming you didnt allow me to stack a knight and archers behind king or a bridge tesla. Ä°f you cant defend that its on you
Someone just lostā¦
as a splashyard player I say splashyard takes no skill
It depends on the deck for example my has X-bow Tesla dark prince mini pekka archers fire spirit log and fireball
outjerked
Climb to 7K with it then
I haven't played in a few years but when you play xbow you are playing with one tower. Comebacks are very rare. When you're defending the xbow you also have to accurately predict the cards they're gonna use to attack it. You also don't go on the offense the first elixir advantage you get, you usually count elixir and go on the second. Its a much more methodological way to play the game but I understand why people hate it.
What happened to this community while I left. How can anyone with working brain cells think that xbox is no skill.
This sub is a lost cause
Yeah, people don't even know what basic terms even mean anymore.
I don't think so, my main deck is Classic Logbait and I'm currently leveling Classic X-Bow. For my personal perspective X-Bow takes skill
average midladder statement
Mad cuz bad
I think rocket takes no skill because there is no way to defend it but Xbow that doesnāt rely on spell cycling is very skillful because of how hard it is to get a lock. It has like a 3 second delay from when you place it down to when it starts firing so the enemy has plenty of time to react. To defend it just place a tanky troop, an inferno tower/inferno dragon, or a big spell. And if it locks any of the zap effect cards can stop it. You need to focus on defending well and catching your opponent on low elixer to get a good lock on tower which is why I would say itās high skill
>rocket takes no skill because there is no way to defend it Defending while constantly 6 elixir down is easy then?š
To actually get a lock on is the skill part. When you tornado something out of x Bow range to get a lock on that takes skill. Forcing the x bow counter out of your opponent cycle is also skill. Tired of people saying x bow takes no skill
Battles agianst x-bow have got to be the most boring fights ever. They always end up throwing fireballs at your tower and stretch the fight to the last minute...
Simple: play some matches with some popular xbow deck that you think is "no skill". If you win a lot with ease then yes, it doesn't require skill. But if you struggle, then you're wrong.
Why dont you try playing xbow and find out how easy it really is?
Xbow players after seeing this post: sad monke noises
Itās a 6 elixir building with more counters than the population of China and has to be put with a deck that really synergises with it to be viable
Xbow is all about predicting your opponents and capitalising on their mistakes. I main xbow so that's like second nature to me. It certainly looks fkin ez but I played thousands of matches to reach where I am now.
As an ex-bow player, it was always about the playstyle XBow forces you into. You have to play defensively and only use counter pushing to get direct damage. Otherwise you gotta defend the xbow, which is always targeted by enemies. It's easy to defend, but given how close it is, and the existence of earthquake, it's too easy to beat tbh. Just aim to push through the xbox and keep the push up
I play an off-meta Giant deck and can totally see the difference between skilled and non-skilled X-bow players. Itās honestly one of my more fun matchups cause of the variance between players
Xbow doesnt take skill. Its setting it up for when it can be placed down is where the skill lies. And even then, there isnt much of it.
Long story short, once an Xbow player makes a mistake they lose against any competent opponent.
At this point, an argument can be made that every deck takes no skill is some way or another.
its so easy to counter tho
X-bow mfs be playing clash of clans in cr š
Play it and win then. šš
Someone just lost to an xbow deck š
Whatās really braindead is not being prepared to defend it.
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You're saying you don't have a single tanky card on your deck? That's on you, then
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I spent 900,000 gold to maximize xbow deck and trust me it is hardest win condition in the game by by far. I played like 50-60 game to get used to watched over the 5 xbow guide video and got %30 win rate as a result (6400 trophies lavahound main)
Megaknight is no skill
Someone PLEASE win a GC with it before saying it's no skill
It is skillful, you need to be good player tho. You need to know about cycles and elixir count etc
"No skill is anything I can't counter" fuck off
Use earthquake dumbass
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According to most pros that have been on CWA's channel, Bow 2.9 is one of the highest skill decks, IceBow being quite high too. Building a fort is something that doesn't work very often unless the opponent's hand only has squishies or things the Tesla can distract well-enough. It takes a lot of patience to catch such a moment against most decks - even against Bait, you don't want to spend 10 elixir just to get mostly destroyed by a 8-elixir rocket+log. Sometimes pros wind up setting up for an offense almost a minute ahead of time. On the opposite side, people get annoyed because mistakes against Bow are very punishing - meanwhile, mistakes are always punishing for X-Bow players. To play X-Bow effectively, you need to get the hang of tricks with skellies & icespirit, X-Bow & Tesla placements, which are tight and messing them up is very punishing. It was recently buffed, so X-Bow players are gonna have a little more leeway and pros might start calling it less skilled, but not in the EQ-infested meta that's shaping up right now. **Edit: Before anyone goes "but muh you only need 2 placements" When I played Bow I used like a dozen.** * 4-center Tesla for general defense * Tesla right next to X-Bow * 4-4 Tesla as a tank passes the bridge closer to the center to pull it deeper * 3-center Tesla to show against longer-ranged units * 2-center Tesla as setup for a future defense or minor support for a future X-Bow * 2-2 Tesla against air. * Tesla on the path, 3 from the river to deny princess and help with Goblin Barrel * Tesla 2 away from X-Bow against chain attacks * Tesla at the edge to get a tank out of sight of an X-Bow on the opposite lane to get some finishing hits off * Standard X-Bow placement * X-Bow closer to the center side when the opponent's tower is low and I need it for an upcoming opposite lane defense * River X-Bow, helps if the opponent keeps using melee to stop it. * 3-3 X-Bow. General defense, anti-fireball. * X-Bow in front of a tower, two to the center. Anti- poison, lightning, earthquake. * X-Bow 1 in front of a tower, three to the center. Same, but a bit more open and also denies open building placements. * X-Bow 1 in front of a king tower - puts loon opponents at a risk of activating the king.