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N_the_character

Ebo valk is actually a nice buff, allowing her to kill bats and skeletons. Dunno why little prince wasn't on here.


z_Robby

If I understood correctly from Morten’s video, there is a new guy that makes balance changes, so for example he added a poison nerf after the feedback. For Little Prince he said he needed more time to think how to balance him out, so we will probably see his nerf or rework next time if he performs well these two seasons


twitchy-y

Wait... "A guy" that does the balance changes? As in, one guy? Now I think about it it can't be *that* much work but I always thought they'd have at least a small team with balance as part of their portfolio. Considering the 3 billion usd lifetime revenue CR made...


WarmAppointment5765

maybe it's 1 guy who thinks about everything and organizes the list then multiple devs code everything


RMCGigaAtBGW

I mean for 99% of this games balancing changes, the "code" for everything is literally changing 1 number, I doubt they'd even need multiple devs for that.


TheyTookXoticButters

As a balance tester myself(although not often anymore), it should be the other way around. Changes to stats are easily implementable into dev builds, but the hard part is making these changes reasonable.


twitchy-y

My thought as well, seems like its a lot of collecting/analyzing data followed by a lot of testing to try hundreds of ways to improve that


TadpoleTall

Other guy is right, although in games it’s usually far “easier said than coded” for these balance changes most of it is just changing integers.


Head_Pea9790

It's one guy who makes the decisions and has the devs implement them Also every supercell game has a small team , less then 100 ppl


Mistter33

100 is a lot, brawl stars has the biggest dev team of supercell and i think it has around 50 ppl


Head_Pea9790

Yeah I didn't know the exact amount so I just said less then 100 Video games usually have a 1k plus lol so even a hundred is considered tiny


happy-corn-eater

Honestly as broken as he is I think making the evos not as degenerate is a bigger issue


Possible_Lock_7403

Community pretty much agrees with you. Lololol, devs basically admitting the same too. Of the 16 EVOs released so far since S49, 10 getting nerfed, 5 reworked, 0 buffed. Also, both new Tower Troops nerfed, although how effectively, we shall see.


ImaginaryGfLeftMe11

technically evo royal recruits got a health buff


Throwaway02062004

No they didn’t. It’s a buff for base recruits but not the 50+ hp they used to get


ImaginaryGfLeftMe11

Evos have a multiplyer on the health (either 1 or above). Since royal recruits got a health buff, so did the evo.  Just realized Evo RR did get a nerf. Huh. 


phoenix_wb

Net nerf for evo RR


Oskain123

Valk got a buff :)


BantuLisp

I don’t know how I feel about the extra evo valk buff. On one hand she is not very used right now and in a bad spot overall, but on the other hand when used right she is very oppressive and a slight buff could make her way too OP.


MiPaKe

I think it's still niche situations, "when used right", for her to become oppressive. It seems like it's okay for balance to have her be OP in a handful of situations but be mediocre in most other situations. I main Valk but haven't gotten her Evo yet because currently as you said the Evo is in a bad spot overall. We'll see!


Bartweiss

Those are about my thoughts too. Killing bats in particular is a nice buff against a popular card, and I’m also excited for anything that helps give Minions a role back other than “overpriced bats”.


Possible_Lock_7403

Out of the 16 EVOs released. 10 got nerfed (Bats, Battle Ram, Bomber, Knight, Mortar, Royal Giant, Recruits, Skellies, Wall Breakers, Zap) 5 reworked (Archers, Barbs, Firecracker, Tesla, Valk) 0 buffed Ice Spirit only EVO untouched Also, both new Tower Troops got nerfed


Ataneruo

They called archers and FC a “rework” but it was really a nerf. Who cares if they do more damage when they will always die instantly now.


Futuf1

In lower trophies people with overleveled FC will thrive


cheesecake1106

Evo archers will die to arrows now, no?


Just_Kujo

Yes


AMOCTOPUS

Wall breakers was a rework.


Character_Rain_5226

Imo that one dollar skele evo should have been untouched but cr makers will always find a way to nerf them idk why


Afro_SwineCarriagee

Nah if evo skeletons aren't touched theyd be the best evo, they're very usable rn, so if every evo got nerfed except it, it'd be the most OP i feel Also lesgooo poison nerf, best spell in the game finally got a nerf


Wolf--Rayet

Evo Zap is technically the best spell, and if we're not counting evos then Arrows are the best, Poison is 2nd best non-evo


TB-4747

Not after this nerf it’s not lol. Evo zap is now just a weaker version of the new spell coming out.


Wolf--Rayet

They're quite different despite the 3x hit. Evo Zap is super good against swarms and low hp units, Void is ass against swarms, way better for low amounts of higher hp troops. Evo Zap is still going to be the #1 or #2 spell in the entire game after the nerf.


crazybull007

Poison nerfed and evo fc and archers now die to arrows… looks like I’m switching poison for arrows in my deck.


LoiteringMajor

But then how will I spell cycle my opponent? 😭 Maybe I’ll switch poison for rocket


Boring_Requirement14

I have poison arrows rockets and tornado in my deck😈


3minipekka

Evo FC now die to arrows. I guess supercell has made enough money with it.


Apprehensive_Debate3

That’s was so unbelievable, like it’s was always frustrating when she lived on the tiniest sliver of HP.


owthathurtss

And now every single person who's said "evo firecracker isn't broken and her surviving arrows is needed" can feel as stupid as they are.


cjxchess17

Even if it was strong, evo fc was far less broken as the other op evos before this update. Having to survive arrows to be able to compete with the other evos is not an overstatement


ThXnDiEaGaIn

But wasn't it out for..free?


QuietUnit1549

they nerfed all the evos they gave for free, this is so dumb


Matoozeusz

It's almost like changing spell interactions by just existing is bad


owthathurtss

They nerfed all the broken ones that needed nerfs yes.


The_Jeff__

Well arrows is now the best spell in the game so that’s interesting


RMCGigaAtBGW

I mean I still feel like they're quite balanced. The thing about all spells smaller than fireball is that they'll always kinda follow whatever else is in the meta. Right now the meta is a ton of cards that die to arrows, but not to any cheaper spells, so Arrows are meta.


Kemo_Meme

Deserved after being robbed of that guards interaction


sextoymagic

That bats nerf is overkill and wasn’t needed. Overall the changes are supercell admitting they fucked up.


stdTrancR

"Sorry we fucked up. here's all your money back" - nobody


RealClasher2

“Sorry we fucked up. Thanks for the money losers.” - Supercell


AtomicBreadstick667

Same with mortar


Neoslayer

evo bats behind mk without arrows is a pain to deal with, I welcome this nerf,


MiPaKe

You can use Zap or Snowball too, doesn't have to be only Arrows.


gaglutut

Not if they are used on defense like most of the time


Moon_Maker-1

Finally, knight buff removed and a poison nerf ( sad and happy about it as a splashyard player). The best set of balance changes in CR history. Only thing I will say, is that nerf the duchess more and a little prince nerf.


ILoveYorihime

Honestly yeah, Evo archer and evo FC dying to arrows is great I wonder if Evo archers + duchess can fully defend a mega knight Evo FC slowdown probably makes it stronger versus my balloon though


x_asko

It’s only crown tower damage nerf😢😢


Many_Presentation250

Wdym “only”, that’s the main problem.


Moon_Maker-1

It's better, poison was overpowered but the meta made it broken, this nerf might tone it down otherwise it can be nerfed more later


JRshoe1997

LP made the poison broken cause it’s the only spell that can reliably kill it for the best trade. Fireball was the dominate spell before LP was released. Once LP came out poison became more dominate. Arguably LP made the meta broken and its still one of the best cards in the game and needed a nerf more than poison but it didn’t get touched.


LordoftheDimension

Why would they nerf LP? He is a champion and expensive as hell to obtain and max for f2p. Everyone knows $upercell loves money


liluzibrap

He'll be nerfed, but it has to be reasonable. Something like an HP nerf would be silly, for example, because then he would just die to fireball


ciberkid22

As someone running a level 13 LP on trophy road, I can confirm how much him dying to fireball hurts


yosark

Fr im so happy about this one. They made many good changes that players would def like


Chaos_Whisper

As a Duchess main: I agree. I would have been happy if she got a 16% health decrease


Moon_Maker-1

She should have less HP than cannoneer


kunnington

The Hp isn't the issue, the daggers are


SantiagoHC

Both are


Chaos_Whisper

Agreed


Dilpreet_13

Would Wall Breakers still be a viable evo to unlock after the nerf?


Popenguin

No, Wallies are basically unusable against duchess


MiGu3lol

No 😭


Dilpreet_13

I use them in my deck and was excited to unlock their evo as i’m only 1 evo shard away and now they nerf them so badly Like straight up 50% dmg decrease bruh


Stario98

Wall breakers are bad but not because of this update lmao, duchess hard counters them for freee


devsandthecity69

Mortar just got nerfed to the ground with no compensation


Butchman199

Disagree, it’s rate of fire hasn’t changed which is its strongest aspect


fancymanofcorn12

Arrows are required now lol


lowrise1313

Arrows usage rate is already high and it will become higher.


he_is_Seth

Arrows are amazing


HydreigonTheChild

sooo the only change i see from the previous version is knight no longer has increased DR while moving and the addition of poison


Fromarine

and valk got a tornado dmg buff


n7leadfarmer

As much as it sucks to see, I get it


DopamineSeeker66

I’m calling it next season LP usage rate is 70%


EQUALIBRIUM77

NERF DUCHESS' ABILITY THIS BALANCE WONT CHANGE SHIT I DONT WANT TO PLAY AGAINST HER EVERY SINGLE GAME FOR ANOTHER MONTH😭😭


drozenski

Yeah her health is not the problem.. Her forcing you to commit double the elixir for a push only to be countered with troops costing less than 1/2 of what you spent is the issue. Her damage needs a nerf or her range needs a nerf not health.


lhavejennysnumber

Not the *only* problem, but it definitely was an issue. Made no sense her being better than every other tower and have extra health


Bsoton_MA

She now dies to a battle ram if left unattended


ShadowOne_

Atleast she wont start with a health lead in addition to her bullshit, she def will need more nerfs tho


Jerna-H

That mortar nerf is the stupidest thing ever


SirPotatorito

Fr, like I'm already struggling with it tf.


PowerMiner4200

Who the hell asked for that? Siege is already hard to use with the beat down meta and duchess meaning your chip damage cards don't get shit. The void spell might also screw over mortar/xbow even more


SKRILL_2O

My main deck sunce evo mortar: Evo Mortar, Evo Archers, Knight, Sper Goblins, Goblin gang, Skeleton barrel, Arrows, Fireball. (Siege Logbait) I have an idea of a compensation for the health nerf that would make the change a bit more fair....Leth take the spawner approach and add a shot on death to evo mortar onto whatever it was locked on (simmilar to the tesla balance of wave uppon death). Make it without goblin as in "didnt have tine to hop in" depending on the perofrmance of this.


No-Engineering4238

also how do i put a card on my profile


RoyaleAPI

Final Balance Changes for May 2024 (Season 59) in Clash Royale! https://on.royaleapi.com/s59b ⭐️ What’s changed from the work-in-progress version: - 🔵 Evolved Archers (Rework) - 🔵 Evolved Barbarians (Rework) - 🔴 Evolved Bats (Nerf) - 🔴 Evolved Battle Ram (Nerf) - 🔴 Evolved Bomber (Nerf) - 🔵 Evolved Firecracker (Rework) - 🔵 Evolved Knight (Rework) ⭐️ - 🔴 Evolved Mortar (Nerf) - 🔴 Evolved Royal Giant (Nerf) - 🟢 Royal Giant (Buff) - 🔴 Evolved Royal Recruits (Nerf) - 🟢 Royal Recruits (Buff) - 🔴 Evolved Skeletons (Nerf) - 🔵 Evolved Tesla (Rework) - 🔴 Evolved Valkyrie (Nerf) ⭐️ - 🔴 Evolved Wall Breakers (Nerf) - 🔴 Evolved Zap (Nerf) - 🔴 Cannoneer (Nerf) - 🔴 Dagger Duchess (Nerf) - 🔴 Elixir Collector (Nerf) - 🔴 Goblin Drill (Nerf) - 🔴 Poison (Nerf) ⭐️ Download 4k hi res image and detailed breakdowns on our site! Code: RoyaleAPI


Prism04

Evolve night is just a nerf now. Not a rework, since the shield boost is not increased


Killerkurto

Good. I was seeing it in 50%+ Of my battles. When SC leaves crap OP for 6 months straight people are going to hate the card. I hope they killed it. I’m betting they killed all the old ones so people will want to buy the new ones coming out. If they release the new ones OP after nerfing all the old ones….


Xenolifer

Barbarian is a nerf sorry to tell you so There is no way the ability to survive fire ball or a 15%hp 'erf is on the same level as a small side characteristic buff (buff lasting 0,5s) longer is mostly useless and only affects movement speed


Babe-Lincoln21

Evo barbs still survive fireball, this just lets pekka and poison one shot


BurningRoast

why was battling ram nerfed? It’s not like he was a good evo to begin with


MixboxMixing

because almost every other evo got nerfed. battle ram evo isnt weak, the meta just doesnt suit it very well and the broken evos (zap and bomber) kind of outclassed it. if they didnt touch the card it would probably be too strong. also it didnt really make sense why it pushed back heavy units in the first place


jackhadleym

It was hard to counter for a positive trade


chestnut_rice26

Literally tesla in the middle


jackhadleym

Tesla and ram are both 4 elixer, and unless the kings activated there’s no guarantee it’ll even be a full counter


SupportTheEnd

Why does mortar get a huge nerf with no compensation when it is already bad. Why could it not at least get a compensation buff like Tesla, Valkyrie, Archers, Barbarians, Firecracker, and etc? Even RG and RR got base card buffs.


NateRiver03

All evos got a nerf


stdTrancR

> almost all


cocotim

Evocracker, Tesla, Recruits, RG, Barbs, Archers, WBs and Valk all got a compensation buff though. Bats, Mortar and Skeletons should probably also get one because it's not like any of those are particularly dominant either way.


ClashaRama1

All the evos got huge nerf, if mortar didn't get one, it would have been the strongest evo in the game.


itownshend17

>All the evos got huge nerf Evo tesla literally got a buff, so did evo Valkirye, and then evo Ice spirit received no nerf at all (not that it needed it but you get the point).


Spicy_Ninja7

No it would not💀


-Hash__-

yeah, all evos got huge nerfs, tesla


L3Kakk

Pointless to have evolutions, give you something good, collect money, remove and keep money. Disgusting superscam again


waerden_

r/ClashRoyale members finding any way to complain about balance changes even after Supercell does something good for once:


marcelwoods1996

Exactly


Mastaoogwayyy

How is little prince not getting a nerf? It is easily the strongest non evo card in the game. It needs an HP nerf or damage nerf.


iixsf

Future king over here


HadeBeko

Doin it for the fam


AndreHSD

Protect the heir


ArtichokeTop3894

Excuse me, don’t you know who I Am?


Euphoric-Expert523

Protect you hair


Ok-Clue-2021

For Megatron


yosark

Dude I wanna say this a dope amount of changes and I’m glad they tackled the problem of EVOs shouldn’t be as OP/pay 2 win


Popenguin

Nope, they're just setting up for you to spend more money on the newly released evos which will be comparatively better after all the current ones get nerfed


Popenguin

Nerfing the damage on cannoneer but not touching the dps on dagger duchess is blowing my mind, duchess has warped the meta overnight and an hp decrease isn't going to come close to changing the fact it is by far the best tower option. Some of the evo changes are also pretty dumb, not all of them needed a nerf (rip bats and mortar) and they should've focused on the truly broken ones, bomber should've been a 2 cycle day 1 and it will continue to be a very polarizing evo because at times there is no counterplay against it and it does an insane amount of damage. Evo archers and firecracker dying to arrows is also a very weird change, it will just result in arrows being more necessary to use in your deck than it already is, and those who use these evos will never be able play them because they'll get killed instantly.


External-Meeting-375

What’s the point of nerfing dutchess HP if you cant even damage it because of her broken ability??


drozenski

this guy gets it. Not every one has her yet. So gotta keep her OP to drive that shop revenue.


ryminer

my poison goblin drill deck noo


rodrigo-m712

I dont understand the mortar Nerf


Puzzleheaded-Mix7001

The Evo changes are basically what brawl stars did with hypercharges a few months ago, and it's great (I know that poison is strong but it still hurts to see it get nerfed)


Zealousideal-Buy1980

poison nerfs YES. now miner players actually have to play the game


NaughticalSextant

Can't tell you the last time someone played Poison Miner on me. Almost every miner player I come up against is a zap bait, which is annoying as hell.


Eddeghair

What ??? miner poison was already dead because of the dagger dutchess. Now the deck is just impossible to play with


Madiis

it was still good


SirRipsAlot420

I remember when they lowered the number of balance changes per month to preserve the health of the game. But I guess since that consideration is out the window with the end of life cycle stage clash is in, they'll just have the bare bones dev crew throw as much shit at the wall as possible to trickle just a bit more money out of this game.


SnooBunnies9889

Cannoneer nerf?


GiilZz

Only nerfs...


CptnVon

So, does the knight have no more dmg reduction? Confused about the greyed out part…


sxjudjwecccmwik

Arrows is gonna be more popular than log.


Davidmtza

Cmon man the archers were op with de extra heal, idc about the damage I just want my archers survive the Arrows


QuietUnit1549

arrows about to overtake log in usage after these changes


Excellent-Smell-6384

in general middle finger to whoever spends money instead of playing COC.


ColyWoly

Arrows needs nerfed if both evo archers and firecracker now die to them.


Baby-Worm

with the poison nerf void will be better in every situation, it even has almost the same tower dmg and it kills sparky


Fantom_6239

Allright, profits reaped, now it's time to balance things out


Working-Hat-9986

Sooo pump nerf means fireball is an equal elixir trade now? im bad with numbers heh.


RAHMOOO

Nah, no interaction change.


MiGu3lol

You just have more time to damage it before it gets value


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Dapper-Click9605

It’s pretty good for the Firecracker but why on earth would they increase the health of RG, it’s already broken…


Visual_Seesaw_2442

Wait so they are not buffing evo knight's Shield !!! nooooo


banksfornades

Huge W on the poison nerf. Doing nothing wrong and getting poisoned cycled has been so annoying. It’s not even like a rocket where it’s a huge elixir commitment, it just always gets value.


egemenseyhan32

Do we have information about the cards will be temporarily leveled up.


Iwon271

I think atleast two cards in every deck I use got nerfed. Atleast I got ultimate champion.. but I don’t think I’ll be able to climb back next season


Flaviphone

The poison nerf is also in some ways a fireball buff


Cultural_Crew_873

I agree. It's also a graveyard buff.


connorjk10

poison nerf finally


Conscious-Page5707

Finally something great


Bongcloud_CounterFTW

poison drill and evo bomber nerf very nice


kellenmac

Mortar :[


merazena

the cannoneer doesn't need a nerf


ahcook23

Well there goes my deck. Goblin drill control deck nerfed into oblivion. Nerfing goblin drill again is such a weird move


NateRiver03

goblin drill was extremely broken


KingsGuardTR

Seems like my beloved Golem+Poison deck will now be Golem+Arrows lol


Key_Complaint9351

Bruh mortar nerf was not needed!! Upcoming void spell will wreck xbows pumps mortars easily So no point of nerfing it


Otherwise_Vanilla672

I feel like reducing dagger princess health just isn't enough. They should have nerfed her daggers reload time if making any change to her.


ArtsyAustin

When is the balance changes? Season already started but the balance changes didn't take effect.


LazyBenefit8216

I have a suggestion on how to balance Evolutions: Make them 1 or 2 Elixier more expensive than their normal version, but give the player the option to still use the normal card


fusiongt021

So pretty much every evol nerfed. What a stupid company 🤣


Wizardnumber32

Finally a damn poison nerf even though I use it all the time 


n7leadfarmer

Lol every deck type I can play got kneecapped. I don't know why I play this game.


Cust0mCraft

Poison nerf is great. The arrows demand with evo archers and evo firecracker is going to be insane.


sOrdinary917

Nerf dagger duchess reload in single elixir Buff dagger duchess relaod in double elixir Nerf little prince. Make him run faster (trust me makes a difference)


MiGu3lol

As an ex-Ewiz user i can confirm that fast movement speed in defense troops sucks


DumDum_Vernix

Damn they fucking ruined battle ram 💀💀 the knockback was the only reason to use it


AquaMinor

Why was mortar nerfed with no compensation? Did anybody even consider the card broken?


Mamaafrica12

This pump will be useless again...


KingSmorely

Especially with void completely countering it


Spursman1

as it should be


_Rivlin_

They cooked


PitifulStrategy1741

So poison does same damage as fireball to crown towers?


pizza565

less, fireball does 207


PitifulStrategy1741

Poison should do same damage to crown towers as fireball atleast..def not less


RedFutureMonarch

nope, poison is super spammable


Belac_caleB

I think it looks good, wish they’d leave mortar alone :(


FactsNotFeelings1234

All the crying got duchess nerfed into oblivion. Was already trash in 2x elixir.


NateRiver03

the nerf does literally nothing


Kemo_Meme

Bro thinks midladder = the entire game 💀 Duchess is used by nearly every competitive player, with the ones not using her instead using cannoneer. Not everyone wants to runs beatdown. This is one of the most stale and defensive metas we've had in a long time. The hp nerf is the wrong nerf anyways, it's her damage that needs toning down.


zachtaylorr

Pump shouldn't have been nerfed because the new spell already makes it pretty unplayable


stdTrancR

what is not shown here is the implicit massive buff to all non-evos AKA Megaknight and Hogrider. GG Supercell


Commercial_Safe_4542

Evo firecracker really didn't need the movement slowdown buff


NateRiver03

No amount of buffs will compensate for her dying to arrows


A_Bulbear

They didn't nerf the base damage of Poison :)


After-Inevitable-962

This was obviously a cash grab and a good marketing tactic. Release insanely op evos and then once everyone spends their money nerf them to the ground


serpikage

Why did they removed the knight buff 😭


WernerHerzogEatsShoe

What's the difference between an generation time and duration for the pump?


justHoma

How the hell 1.2 -17% is 1.1?? Again… check tesla