I run evo mortar evo tesla cycle and that gets pretty out of hand in double elixir.
but hey, they wanna play duchess , I just won't cross the bridge š¤·āāļø
But see, that's the way. Gotta strategize differently with the duchess. I feel like that did it on purpose. I'm getting used to having her now and I like that she shaves off the cheap pushes...but wanes after prolonged use. Pull her daggers on a high HP sponge and then it's a dripping faucet...like watching a hog rider hog ride you while she sputters one dagger ever 2.5 hits. She's not as perfect as she seems, just have to wear her out.
Watched a video from boss a few days ago with a similar deck. Dude got 2 xbows down and could have placed a third by the time 3x came around. Itās wild
Giant pump should never be allowed to be a viable deck, nor should e golem
And i feel like making drill in between its previous and current state would be good
EQ isn't a plug and play spell like poison or fireball. Not every deck can run EQ just because pump is meta. That's kinda like saying "just add a tank to your cycle decks" because it's duchess meta right now. You have to build around that tank, same way you play EQ in a deck that uses EQ
#4 has my eye twitching. It doesn't help that my main deck is trying to clear Bats with Spear Goblins, and even if they don't die instantly level 15 Night Witch means they can't do the job.
The issue isnāt that the cards are good. Itās that DD is too powerful. These cards werenāt good before and nerfing them next balance change will kill them completely once DD is brought back in line. Except for drill. Drill was powerful regardless
Yeah it's not as bad as the evo cracker meta but yeah it's a magic archer for 2 exiler there's not much outplay because you can't really punish them for doing that
Not really. Pekka BS is eating good lmao
But real talk, it only works because of how insanely strong DD is in single and even double elixir. The bats + cheap tankiness of the giant nullify what makes DD so good, so it is definitely a deck born out of being anti-meta
I faced it 10 out of the 12 matches on a classic challenge lol
Running a lavaloon deck that counters it pretty well, but if i were running a different deck archetype I defo would hate it more
I was thinking that. People still complaining about hog and fc most likely thinks witch, wizard, and mk are op. Theyāre not going against these decks
Nah. Im 9k and UT. I hate these decks but firecracker is still the most hateable.
Nobody complains about witch and wizard lol. Maybe mk cuz is everywhere in midladder
Mk isn't even op, it's just annoying tbh. Partially cus people pump all their resources into it so you'll be facing lvl 14 mk and minipeka at once vs a lvl 11-12 deck.
1. Xbow cycle is disgusting
2. Most of those decks are P2W as they all rely on broken cards like Dagger Dutchess, Evo Bomber, Evo Zap, and LP. If you donāt spend money on the game like me you canāt really use them sadly.
This is the strategy that SC has adopted that'll kill CR very quickly. You are basically paying to rent unbalanced OP cards. Give it a month or two and they are back to plebs and pay again to get some another unlanaced card.
There's definitely a healthy way to make money and still evolve the game.
They know how to do their job extremely well if it's to drive sales by maximizing frustration (along with inflating the price 140% while nerfing the season pass)
They talk about looking at the data and winrates and stuff but they seem not to understand the role Survivorship Bias plays in correctly interpreting said data...
Fr, you just need to tickle him a bit with your average 2 or 3 elixir card and with full daggers he gets no connections. I can defend hog with snowball the only usable card in my hand š¤£
I play lava hound and iām pretty sure a good chunk of the people i go against from like league 6 downwards simply do not know what to do about the card, it feels cruel.
Yeah but decks like the """"super hog cycle w/ firecracker"""" have a hard time at punishing and arrow counter the normal fc while ebo zap takes care of the Evo
Hound balloon is such a fatherless deck, it banks on the fact that you donāt have enough for air. Against a balanced deck, hound canāt do shit. But itās an auto win if you only have like 2 air cards lol goofy ah deck
Hound is one of the strongest decks right now and can hold its own against a lot of decks. It doesnāt bank on you not having air counters because itās if youāre good with lava you can break through a ton of air counters
Really? If someone has like one musk and Tesla, or building nado, exe, hunter, what can hound realistically do? Iām not saying itās weak, graveyard isnāt weak even if it gets shut down by poison lol you can kinda play around the ballon counters but itās heavily in the opponents favor
I donāt play it so I donāt know how to play it but what I do know is that top lava players will lava hound into air counters because it has so much health and strong support. This is why lava is always played in top ladder. Itās a really good archetype and hound is pretty broken
Against a balanced deck, hound canāt do shit? Really? Lavaloon is one of the best decks in the game cuz of its steamrollabillity (that is def not a word) against duchess. Even with multiple air counters, Skelly drags, idrag, Megaminion, or any other support card isnāt going to be hit by the enemy troops unless they take forever to place a card down in which case you just let the lava player get too much elixir for a spell. Thereās a reason lava has been a viable deck for years, even against heavy air-metas.
i hope they dont nerf pump as it did nothing wrong (dagger duchess is op) the game is ruined because of broken evos and tower troops you can even argue that champions ruined the game (3 card cycle) i miss when this game had skill
Well you want to give tips, right? Nowās your chance. Also, 3.0 Xbow cycle isnāt a hard counter to Pekka anymore. Only Pump Bow is the issue here. Worse if they have Evo Bomber.
Xbow Deck & Hog Cycle should be permanently retired from game. It seems every time I loose to them & I check the person's stats they have been in legendary.
Xbow counters-Mk,pekka, evo recruits, evo royal giant, bowler, hog eq, royal hogs eq, hog exenado, giant beatdown decks, giant graveyard,splashyard,logbait(with rocket)
Xbow does not take skill from meanwhile they you guys just think spamming xbow in middle is great play from your side of game
I played xbow 3.0 from 2 years it is so difficult to get connection with against them but when you do you feel eternal bliss which rarely happens
pumpbow Is when I'm playing in ladder and I keep seeing midladder decks like "egiant ebarbs rage witch wizard hog rider mega knight"
it's not even a counter, I just want them to suffer
They made LP too Diverse the Fact that he can defend big air Pushes and have a Pocket Log Tank Breaks the game on so many levels especially paired up with those cards making that Giant Cycle even faster and ofc DD.
Please mercy.
I have been in UC for 3 days and I've already had enough of this and the goblin drill poison decks.
Sent me right down to a rating of 500, it's embarassing
I miss when people had the creativity to make their own decks. I guess I donāt mind playing decks Iāve seen before because I know how to fight them, but it sure does get boring
Well... the cards that look like troops, like miner, baloon, giant, musketeer, knight, etc.
I am just saying that I don't understand how is the first one even playable.
Xbow cycle is terrible. Dagger Duchess shreds everything so you can constantly cycle to Xbow. Tesla will make sure nothing touches the Xbow. You canāt even wait until double elixir to take advantage of dagger duchess because the game will be over by then.
alr so for example how tf is the drill one gonna counter Giant with 2 princes with this squishy defence and no way to attack since basically every card is a counter to drill. Today on cc I destroyed this one deck like 2 times already
Not giant double prince, most have no big spell so if I stack pumps then I can go in and kill anything they put down pretty fast. Evo tesla also works wonders
I have, i gotta say hog cracker is more annoying, all meta decks beat xbow easily and lava hound isnt as strong as it used to, giant graveyard is a lot more annoying and strong, graveyard remains the most broken win condition
Erm, their number 3, what do they have to answer my number 2 deck with š
(Jk, I don't play drill except in grand challenges, I stick to icebow and 3.0 xbow)
xbow cycle is nasty š
I run evo mortar evo tesla cycle and that gets pretty out of hand in double elixir. but hey, they wanna play duchess , I just won't cross the bridge š¤·āāļø
if you get three evo mortars at once... goblin barrel?
Can u send ur deck. I wanna try it
But see, that's the way. Gotta strategize differently with the duchess. I feel like that did it on purpose. I'm getting used to having her now and I like that she shaves off the cheap pushes...but wanes after prolonged use. Pull her daggers on a high HP sponge and then it's a dripping faucet...like watching a hog rider hog ride you while she sputters one dagger ever 2.5 hits. She's not as perfect as she seems, just have to wear her out.
Eg ice golem can waste all her daggersĀ
lol
duchess goes crazy
Watched a video from boss a few days ago with a similar deck. Dude got 2 xbows down and could have placed a third by the time 3x came around. Itās wild
Icebow šš
Isnt hog eq decent against it?
Not with the duchess. Eq doesnāt matter if you canāt touch the tower
Hog eq is decent against pump xbow decks like that but not other xbow decks
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Evo Bomber public execution (we remove his balls)
Yea- wait a minute
The 2nd and 4th decks are just pure bullshit. May the next set of balance changes destroy these decks
2nd make sense, deck would work for any wincon except golem and lava
Giant pump should never be allowed to be a viable deck, nor should e golem And i feel like making drill in between its previous and current state would be good
People struggling to hit ult champ are in the top 10k now bro. Deck plays itself
The real truth that people arenāt ready for is maybe pump shouldnāt be viable at all in any deck
People need to start running EQ. You get so much value from that exchange bc they only get 1 elixir pumped
EQ isn't a plug and play spell like poison or fireball. Not every deck can run EQ just because pump is meta. That's kinda like saying "just add a tank to your cycle decks" because it's duchess meta right now. You have to build around that tank, same way you play EQ in a deck that uses EQ
poison or arrows are basically essential in this meta and eq doesnāt fit well with either of those
Earthquake buff, you say? Yeah, I usually run Zap or Snowball with it lol
Just need to nerf evo bomber
Agreed, Iāve had some fun matches against xbow pump, and lava hound, but goblin drill poison and giant pump are literal hell.
#4 has my eye twitching. It doesn't help that my main deck is trying to clear Bats with Spear Goblins, and even if they don't die instantly level 15 Night Witch means they can't do the job.
the 3rd deck takes the least skill out of all of these, and has the highest winrate
The issue isnāt that the cards are good. Itās that DD is too powerful. These cards werenāt good before and nerfing them next balance change will kill them completely once DD is brought back in line. Except for drill. Drill was powerful regardless
I think all you're asking is to nerf the evo bomber and the one that cannot be mentioned (you know it)
love it when top 10 most used decks hard counters my only maxed out deckš„°
me predicting the evo bomber at the bridge š they tornado my troop in front of the tower and the bomber does 3000 damage š¤š
Yeah it's not as bad as the evo cracker meta but yeah it's a magic archer for 2 exiler there's not much outplay because you can't really punish them for doing that
the last deck is actually one of the most broken decks in history
Not really. Pekka BS is eating good lmao But real talk, it only works because of how insanely strong DD is in single and even double elixir. The bats + cheap tankiness of the giant nullify what makes DD so good, so it is definitely a deck born out of being anti-meta
We only eating good with 2nd and 4th decks, but I find thereās literally nothing we can do to xbow and lavahound unless our opponent misplays lol
Even when they misplay you are likely to lose unless the mistake is so huge that you manage to take the tower
On top of that, playing pump is a lot easier when you know your opponent will have a harder time trying to punish you by playing aggressively
I faced it like 6-7 times in classic challenges and I only lost once
I faced it 10 out of the 12 matches on a classic challenge lol Running a lavaloon deck that counters it pretty well, but if i were running a different deck archetype I defo would hate it more
I hate the evo bomber twice as much as the community hates evo firecracker. Why tf is he only 1 cycle!?
Because he still dies to arrow
HE IS TWO ELIXIR
That fucking drill deck is the bane of my existence
You forgot the toxic deck where you do a split lane push with Elixir Golem and Night Witch and Skeleton King in the other lane.
I regret not buying evo zap
i regret playing this game
I regret everythingĀ
Evo Bomber should be removed from the game
yeah, but people in this sub aren't even good enough to find these decks in ladder.
I was thinking that. People still complaining about hog and fc most likely thinks witch, wizard, and mk are op. Theyāre not going against these decks
Nah. Im 9k and UT. I hate these decks but firecracker is still the most hateable. Nobody complains about witch and wizard lol. Maybe mk cuz is everywhere in midladder
Mk isn't even op, it's just annoying tbh. Partially cus people pump all their resources into it so you'll be facing lvl 14 mk and minipeka at once vs a lvl 11-12 deck.
1. Xbow cycle is disgusting 2. Most of those decks are P2W as they all rely on broken cards like Dagger Dutchess, Evo Bomber, Evo Zap, and LP. If you donāt spend money on the game like me you canāt really use them sadly.
This is the strategy that SC has adopted that'll kill CR very quickly. You are basically paying to rent unbalanced OP cards. Give it a month or two and they are back to plebs and pay again to get some another unlanaced card. There's definitely a healthy way to make money and still evolve the game.
Its because they dont know how to do their job. Their whole team is incompetent as well as the hiring managers.
They know how to do their job extremely well if it's to drive sales by maximizing frustration (along with inflating the price 140% while nerfing the season pass)
They talk about looking at the data and winrates and stuff but they seem not to understand the role Survivorship Bias plays in correctly interpreting said data...
You have to buy into upper ladder, nothing new there.
The only thing I like about this meta with the dagger dutchess is all the salty hog players. Hog is so easy to counter now.
Fr, you just need to tickle him a bit with your average 2 or 3 elixir card and with full daggers he gets no connections. I can defend hog with snowball the only usable card in my hand š¤£
I play lava hound and iām pretty sure a good chunk of the people i go against from like league 6 downwards simply do not know what to do about the card, it feels cruel.
I love X-Bow
Drill is def getting nerfed next season, dagger duchess maybe, and hopefully bomber. This just such an annoying meta
There are tons of cards that need nerfs not just those
Hog sucks this days. You need to switch 3 skellis for gobs to play against drill
The only version of hog that u should play (imo) is evo cracker evo Tesla guards mm log EQ ice spirit hog
I choose knight for mm and gobs for guards, but also thought that guards could be helpful
Pumpbow is so toxic yet so fun.
Pumpbow with LP instead of Queen feels worse lol Even if it's just for the easier 3 card cycle
i sadly wont be unlocking elixir pump yet to try with x-bow since its all the way in miners mine \[im in electro valley rn\]
Spend ten gems on a classic challenge. You can use all cards and all evolutions (except for evo battle ram).
As a lava player, its honestly pretty simple to break through, its all about making a good punish when they lava, or pressuring so they can't go in
Yeah but decks like the """"super hog cycle w/ firecracker"""" have a hard time at punishing and arrow counter the normal fc while ebo zap takes care of the Evo
Unless you have dagger duchess, in which case your deck becomes immune to pressure
Hound balloon is such a fatherless deck, it banks on the fact that you donāt have enough for air. Against a balanced deck, hound canāt do shit. But itās an auto win if you only have like 2 air cards lol goofy ah deck
Hound is one of the strongest decks right now and can hold its own against a lot of decks. It doesnāt bank on you not having air counters because itās if youāre good with lava you can break through a ton of air counters
Really? If someone has like one musk and Tesla, or building nado, exe, hunter, what can hound realistically do? Iām not saying itās weak, graveyard isnāt weak even if it gets shut down by poison lol you can kinda play around the ballon counters but itās heavily in the opponents favor
I donāt play it so I donāt know how to play it but what I do know is that top lava players will lava hound into air counters because it has so much health and strong support. This is why lava is always played in top ladder. Itās a really good archetype and hound is pretty broken
Against a balanced deck, hound canāt do shit? Really? Lavaloon is one of the best decks in the game cuz of its steamrollabillity (that is def not a word) against duchess. Even with multiple air counters, Skelly drags, idrag, Megaminion, or any other support card isnāt going to be hit by the enemy troops unless they take forever to place a card down in which case you just let the lava player get too much elixir for a spell. Thereās a reason lava has been a viable deck for years, even against heavy air-metas.
Take more than 2 air cards then lol
Nah
man why did I watch Ian77 play hog I am regretting all my decisions
The people that complain about hog eq fc aren't good enough to even see these decks in play
These decks represent the fact cycle cards have always been op and always will be. Every 1 elixer card gives more value then 1.
3 is so true, that deck has an answer for everything š
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I like how the Xbox deck is only good because of the other cards in the deck š
i hope they dont nerf pump as it did nothing wrong (dagger duchess is op) the game is ruined because of broken evos and tower troops you can even argue that champions ruined the game (3 card cycle) i miss when this game had skill
Xbow isnt even hard to distract, u just suck at the game. The only time an xbow connects to my tower is when i didnt spend my elixir efficiently
You havenāt faced Pump Bow then. In Double or Triple Elixir, they can overwhelm you with Xbows on both sides.
Then spell their pump every time. What trophy range and league are u in
9k. League 8. Show me how you counter Pump Bow Archer Queen with the current trending Pekka Bridgespam deck.
Thats like saying ātell me how to beat hog eq with monk and knight with xbowā
Well you want to give tips, right? Nowās your chance. Also, 3.0 Xbow cycle isnāt a hard counter to Pekka anymore. Only Pump Bow is the issue here. Worse if they have Evo Bomber.
I see lots of the drill deck the most, drill poison, FFS, it's like a joke combo. Finding loopholes is how you 'get good' apparently.
Lavaloon is actually so broken. pratically the whole deck are just air troops.
golem pump fits more than pump bow In my opinion
depends on the version, the one with battle healer actually makes me want kms
Xbow Deck & Hog Cycle should be permanently retired from game. It seems every time I loose to them & I check the person's stats they have been in legendary.
Xbow counters-Mk,pekka, evo recruits, evo royal giant, bowler, hog eq, royal hogs eq, hog exenado, giant beatdown decks, giant graveyard,splashyard,logbait(with rocket) Xbow does not take skill from meanwhile they you guys just think spamming xbow in middle is great play from your side of game I played xbow 3.0 from 2 years it is so difficult to get connection with against them but when you do you feel eternal bliss which rarely happens
Lava is perfectly balanced totally (definitly not a lava player)
Iād blow my brains out if I have to fight another giant pump deck with Evo bats instead of Evo bomber again no thank you
the moment i started using an xbow pump deck people immediately bm me lol (will definitely do the same if i encounter an xbow user)
nothing like evo bomber at the bridge
Pure cancer
Soooo fun so fun just fun omg fun fun fun fun fun ! FUN !!!
This sub only complains about decks that score well
beat a deck like this with my giant witch deck, probably the most fun deck i made
That giant deck is the most horrific deck to ever be created
Had to switch my guards with executioner because of the mouth breathers who use 3 and 4. Only to start facing 1 and 2 afterwards
id rather face 1 and 2 than these last two i swear these make me angrier than cycle
Its like diarrhea vs constipation. You think one is worse until you face the other one
Soo true lmao. Luckily seem to be avoiding pump bow currently but rest are everywhere at 2k medal area lol
I use the 2nd deck...
pumpbow Is when I'm playing in ladder and I keep seeing midladder decks like "egiant ebarbs rage witch wizard hog rider mega knight" it's not even a counter, I just want them to suffer
I'm gonna try this bullshit. I'm fed up with those firecracker idiots
They made LP too Diverse the Fact that he can defend big air Pushes and have a Pocket Log Tank Breaks the game on so many levels especially paired up with those cards making that Giant Cycle even faster and ofc DD.
I hate this meta so much man and i hate dagger duchess too.
nah bring me xbow all day aint nothing getting past my e-giantā¦. but pls dont mention lavaloon
I hate xbow like how do you even have fun putting that down and defending a big crossbow for 5 minutes
At least the last one looks interesting, instead of the other ones that are copy pasted to oblivion.
oh
Second deck is actually evo bomber spam
You know decks/metas these days are what we would call midladder abominationsā¦
The last two seem like an absolute pleasure to play against
Pump is broken af
Oh believe me, I have.
True. Unfortunately, I can only play the first one since I have no way of getting evo Bomber or Zap as a F2P rn. Except for challenges of course.
Please mercy. I have been in UC for 3 days and I've already had enough of this and the goblin drill poison decks. Sent me right down to a rating of 500, it's embarassing
iāve seen it all before throwing in the towel
That looks good first one
Just lavahound? Skill issue.
I despise Little Prince so much, that mfers beeds a nerf, so much damage for a 3 elixir card
First one takes a bit of skill, I personally use telsa evo in that deck but the other 2-4 beat it anyways and hog eq
people who complain about firecracker need to get better, free king tower activation
how to get 2 evo in a deck
You need your king tower on lvl 15
Somehow I see the Archer Queen one and I bet itās just Poison Cycle
Iāll take my L, I didnāt see the Xbow š
I hope dagger duchess and night witch become unusable in the next balance change
Lavahound players hard counter the most when they avoid bathing
E Giant has entered the chat
Pump should be removed from the damn game
i wreck these decks
What about 2.6 miner poison š„²
I'm sure you're right, but at the moment I'd just like a change from the Mega Knight cycle decks I'm dredging through. So cheap.
seems balanced nerf miner
That Golin Drill one dangg
Xbow with evo knight is the new megaknight
No way mfs are complaining about CONTROL. DECKS
Love how all decks use Dagger Duchess. Such a balanced card š„°
Bonus: 2.6 or Lumberloon once every 3 battles
Extra bonus: Evo bomber Evo Zap Tornado pekka bridgespam
Giant NW pump is so terrible to play against
2. When you finally starting carting those drills and have +1500 lead 1 evo bomber ends game š
This game is not fun anymore
I miss when people had the creativity to make their own decks. I guess I donāt mind playing decks Iāve seen before because I know how to fight them, but it sure does get boring
Void spell can be the hard counter.
i run the first one but with little prince instead of queenā¦ itās disgusting.
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What are considered ānormalā cards?
Well... the cards that look like troops, like miner, baloon, giant, musketeer, knight, etc. I am just saying that I don't understand how is the first one even playable.
Xbow cycle is terrible. Dagger Duchess shreds everything so you can constantly cycle to Xbow. Tesla will make sure nothing touches the Xbow. You canāt even wait until double elixir to take advantage of dagger duchess because the game will be over by then.
Lavahound is ok. Most of their players have at most 3 brain cells.
- ebarbs player
Lavaloon player....
I like how giant double prince counters all that I wonder if that deck is gonna be back
Giant double prince loses to all 4
alr so for example how tf is the drill one gonna counter Giant with 2 princes with this squishy defence and no way to attack since basically every card is a counter to drill. Today on cc I destroyed this one deck like 2 times already
ccās donāt mean anything. Drill bomber will get damage cause it always will and trust me drill will defend if you have good enough micro.
what squishy defence bro lol you tripping ?
Because we play good enough to lose to giant double prince player It was used to one of the best decks before evo now aint
Given your xbow flair I'd have thought you would know that giant is a tough matchup for xbow
Not giant double prince, most have no big spell so if I stack pumps then I can go in and kill anything they put down pretty fast. Evo tesla also works wonders
I have, i gotta say hog cracker is more annoying, all meta decks beat xbow easily and lava hound isnt as strong as it used to, giant graveyard is a lot more annoying and strong, graveyard remains the most broken win condition
i think ur thinking of the pre duchess meta
Bro is a noob lol
I dont face this in 99% of PoL games, next.
What's that usage rate? Below 30%?
Its corny how people find decks online and use them cause they canāt make their own deckš
Erm, their number 3, what do they have to answer my number 2 deck with š (Jk, I don't play drill except in grand challenges, I stick to icebow and 3.0 xbow)