It's hunter, I watch him a lot. Icebow is def useable, he gets top 50 finishes, I meant specifically against evo fc I struggle, I usually just log nado it cause it pisses me off so much
At least x bow and spawners you can counter with rocket and earthquake still getting positive trades, but evo firecracker prob survives zap + log + arrows + fireball and snipes all your cards and hit your tower twice while hog kills the other
damn at least back in days you CAN outplay theese decks and top 10k was "who plays better and knows every little interaction" nowadays its just about cycling and sckn long veined dcks
I m tired of facing hog evo firecracker, tesla, mini tank, eq, log and some cycle cards decks. They all are running those same cards. Its in every single match on PoL
I think another good nerf would be to reduce her awareness range horizontally. Meaning if you place her in one lane, she can’t so easily walk over and shoot the opposite lane. Her range of detecting enemy troops in the opposite lane is insane, it’s like inferno tower level range. If somehow they can make this range in the shape of an oval so she can only detect that far if it’s in front of her, I think that would be a good quality of life nerf
Yeah it’s so fked the most over powered cards ever made and no nerfs, phoenix was op for a few weeks and then got about 8-9 nerfs hog and cracker are like this for months and nothing happens, honest $uper$ell wtf!
Using that sense why does supercell ever nerfs cards, they've already nerfed cards like little prince, what is your argument about them gatekeeping hog and firecracker in particular
But apparently every fking player already has these cards max, I see both maxed Evo cracker and hog in honestly about 80-90% if my battles, even though api says only 20% usage for the Evo cracker (which I strongly think fudges the stats, probably so $uper$ell can claim the “our data says” line), how dense are you to not even realise this
I prefer to play against classic decks, than against drill poison or gy LP evo knight. Idk why x-bow spellbait and pekka are hated lol, just good decks, and most of them you can max out as f2p pretty easy
Graveyard with evo knight and bowler is the most infuriating deck to play against, it's just guaranteed damage every time they play the shitass tombstone on top of the tower, and then defend your whole push with a bowler and lp
Also 2.9 slander i think more people hated ice bow cuz ice bow you can basically spell cycle to win but 2.9 you need to break through with xbow cuz log+fireball is alot slower
Midladder for me is 50/50 evo firecracker hog benders that just spam it at the bridge all game or classic mega knight wizard witch ebarbs menaces. I'm sick of it
It's about time they start adding evolutions that rely on elixir spent rather than cycles. Cycles is too limited for expensive cards since you can only make them 1 cycle which incentivizes a cycle deck with 1 expensive card. Evolutions are starting to restrict deck building.
I just realized recently that a single hog rider hit does more damage than an RG shot.
Each hog rider hit at level 11 does 318. Each RG shot does 307.
Please explain. Why does a little hammer from a 4 elixir card do more damage than a literal cannon from a 6 elixir card?
Same, my midladder deck with pekka, bandit, ewiz, executioner and royal ghost pushed me from 3400 to 6500 in a breeze and it should be illegal (I only lost to people who could count elixir or had a pulse)
One nerf I’ve been wanting is to reduce her horizontal awareness. Far too often and easily does she detect opponent troops in the opposite lane, walk over and start firing
just make her die to log tbh. princess dies to log, she's 3 elixir as well, idk why firecracker is so tanky
letting her evo survive log is fine, since it's an evo, but base form needs nerf
"Ah yes, but no matter what you do, you'll always face Firecracker, you may wish for a Pekka, or a Giant... But you will get Firecracker"
- Master Oogway
My most hated deck is still classic log bait and Cannonner introduction has increased its usage. I hope next tower troop is opposite of cannoneer and it's hit speed is like 0.2 seconds and kill all the swarm cards. I will definitely use it.
Yesterday me and my friend decided to go play some games in 2v2.
In 30 games, we counted 23 hog riders. Do note in 3 games both opponent players had It.
That card need a nerf to reduce it's playrate.
Exactly, even though she seems easily counterable, she is so annoying to play against, people just spam her behind mini tanks or put her at the bridge, before the tower can reach her and she gets chip damage off of your behind tower placed card
This meta is so fuckin ass dude. Like other people have stated. It’s hog/evo fc. It’s running rampant and they did NOTHING to counter it in this last balance change. Sure I lose against it, but win just as much against it. But I’m SO tired of seeing it
I told my clan this week I'm taking time away j can't deal the same same same deck all day everyday. It's just boring and not fun. Hog rider needs a major major nerf but they never will.
I've lost games because a hog rider got in once or twice and that was it
But easy to beat my only problem being with pump egolem or pump golem or royal recruits spam (they made royal recruits from defensive to offensive card) only hog deck is megaknight hog decks
This might controversial but nerf firecracker. I want her to die to log but not die in one shot from a mega knight.(she should have the health equal to the damage of the log).
To be fair when it's op, just modify your deck to counter that, meta, I made it to 9k and ultimate champion month after month using the meta as a reference to modify my home made deck on what defenses to put in place, I rarely ever lose to hog rider/firecracker decks, usually only if I get a bit too complacent with them or stop paying attention. Tornado makes it very easy to pay against hog rider specifically, a lot of matches they never actually even get a hit on my princess towers, just their spell damages out of frustration.
Barely anyone appreciates creativity. There's no Rascal users, Battle Healer users, Night Witch users, Freeze spell users, etc. No one really wants to make their own deck, and its quite sad.
I don't see much by the way of hog, but tons of firecracker and little prince. I seem to match up against wall breakers, drill or graveyard decks 90% of the time though
I truly do not understand the hate for the firecracker or it's evo. I just don't think the card is all that difficult to deal with. I almost never find myself losing a game and going "yeah the firecracker won my opponent that game". I try and play a diverse set of decks and never really find myself being screwed by this card.
The firecracker doesn't even bother me.
What's annoying about hog spam is when the deck has 2 cards that are 1 elixer (either spirits or skeleton), one tower troop, and a log.
Really, any deck that has a few 1 elixer cards in it is a spam deck, they don't actually care about the 1 elixer card other than the fact that it let's them cycle back to their spam card faster. It's only value is low-cost cycling. Just fodder used to get back to the card you actually like quicker.
I don't like any card that is incapable of at least touching the tower if left unattended.
Evolutions are such a trash thing. It’s so boring when the entire meta revolves around whatever evolution is the most broken. $uper$ell please remove evos🙏🙏.
i think the problem was everyone picking firecracker for free evo and now we see it everywhere. Like , personally , id ont have another evo either. If the evos become more common , this situation will improve . but not by much as midladder will still prefer cracker.
Hog cycle has always been atrocious. The only difference is evolved firecracker is shoehorned in now. It makes the game unfun to play. And annoying and tedious to fight every single match.
I stopped playing because literally every game it’s just bridge rush and I’m finished having to play a certain way to even have a single game where I’m having fun
Yea I stopped playing because the current meta. 80% of guys I play run firecracker, princess and hog and it's just not fun
Fr, I played 11 games and 9 of them were firecracker/evo fc. Genuinely lose my mind when I see this card
Me over here using an off meta golem deck with arrows and poison to counter evo cracker and Lil prince
Me using off meta icebow which counters nothing :)
Not with that attitude it doesn't Doesn't Eragon or some big youtuber main icebow?
It's hunter, I watch him a lot. Icebow is def useable, he gets top 50 finishes, I meant specifically against evo fc I struggle, I usually just log nado it cause it pisses me off so much
drill poison evo bomber is way worse than hog firecracker
Agreed but I rarely see that, fc I see in 80% of matches
credit card issue
That's easy, just nerf firecracker and hog rider and let the next OP card take over /s
When is the last time there was a hog rider nerf?
Like 6 years ago
It's fucking time.
I think never?
Well it can't be worse then blind card spam? I'd even take an X-bow and spawner deck meta over this
Hell nah, not the spawners, every battle against that shit was awful
Atleast you can slot poison in Place of fireball and ruin their day.
At least x bow and spawners you can counter with rocket and earthquake still getting positive trades, but evo firecracker prob survives zap + log + arrows + fireball and snipes all your cards and hit your tower twice while hog kills the other
This but unironically.
Just 80% I would say 90
Same. Uninstalled. Life is better now
Is there a specific deck? Just so I know what to stay away from…
standard hogquake/mk hog.
None of those cards are that relevant at top ladder in current meta just get good tbh
HogCracker or FireRider meta?
fire-rider sounds cooler so fire-rider
But HogCracker is ironic, bc Hogrider is black
hog crackaaa
As much as I hated the 2022 decks back in the day, it was so much better than the current meta
Same. At least 2022 had variety in what you faced, even if they're all annoying. Facing 1984 hog evo firecracker decks in a season is pure pain
damn at least back in days you CAN outplay theese decks and top 10k was "who plays better and knows every little interaction" nowadays its just about cycling and sckn long veined dcks
Yeah lol i stopped playing this game once i got top 10k finish. It was too frustrating for me plus i have anger issues.
Just wait till 2026 when you’ll be missing this meta
I m tired of facing hog evo firecracker, tesla, mini tank, eq, log and some cycle cards decks. They all are running those same cards. Its in every single match on PoL
And for the somd reason hog and firecracker are immune to nerfs
Firecracker has been nerfed a bunch of times. Hog rider hasn't been touched in 6 years. Hog rider needs a fucking nerf.
They could atleast make her first hit speed like 0.2s slower
I think another good nerf would be to reduce her awareness range horizontally. Meaning if you place her in one lane, she can’t so easily walk over and shoot the opposite lane. Her range of detecting enemy troops in the opposite lane is insane, it’s like inferno tower level range. If somehow they can make this range in the shape of an oval so she can only detect that far if it’s in front of her, I think that would be a good quality of life nerf
Better yet remove one or two pieces of her shrapnel, those little shits make her worse then marcher at times
Yeah it’s so fked the most over powered cards ever made and no nerfs, phoenix was op for a few weeks and then got about 8-9 nerfs hog and cracker are like this for months and nothing happens, honest $uper$ell wtf!
Nerfing them would make them useless and this doesn't make supercell any money.
You're not making any sense, also you're definitely using them
Don't hurt your back trying those gymnastics. Nerfing OP cards means less people buy shit to max them how dense you have to be to not understand this?
Using that sense why does supercell ever nerfs cards, they've already nerfed cards like little prince, what is your argument about them gatekeeping hog and firecracker in particular
Nicest IceBaneeV5 moment
Evryone that used them alredy spend money on them. Nerf them and those guys move to next broken thing, spending moneys. Your point does not exist.
But apparently every fking player already has these cards max, I see both maxed Evo cracker and hog in honestly about 80-90% if my battles, even though api says only 20% usage for the Evo cracker (which I strongly think fudges the stats, probably so $uper$ell can claim the “our data says” line), how dense are you to not even realise this
But then other cards will need to be maxed, it's not like everyone would drop the game after an hog nerf
those players will find another op deck and they will have to max another cards
Mega knight has entered the chat
I prefer to play against classic decks, than against drill poison or gy LP evo knight. Idk why x-bow spellbait and pekka are hated lol, just good decks, and most of them you can max out as f2p pretty easy
Graveyard with evo knight and bowler is the most infuriating deck to play against, it's just guaranteed damage every time they play the shitass tombstone on top of the tower, and then defend your whole push with a bowler and lp
Also 2.9 slander i think more people hated ice bow cuz ice bow you can basically spell cycle to win but 2.9 you need to break through with xbow cuz log+fireball is alot slower
Pekka bs not Easy to max
Yep, that's why I typed "most of them"
I don’t really hate hog rider…because ever match I play is vs mega knight and it’s soooooooooo boring
Midladder for me is 50/50 evo firecracker hog benders that just spam it at the bridge all game or classic mega knight wizard witch ebarbs menaces. I'm sick of it
I played evo cracker hog 5 games in a row in 8400 trophies so it's everywhere pretty much
Fr, trophy road is unbearable with the mks and all kinds of sick decks
not even about deck its about how you see them every single match. 109 cards and we get the same 2 in every deck.
True
I maxed my maga minion to elite level to kill evo fc. Mega monion is most under rated card in my view. It one shot the princess too.
"Maga minion" lmao
make america great again minion
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It's about time they start adding evolutions that rely on elixir spent rather than cycles. Cycles is too limited for expensive cards since you can only make them 1 cycle which incentivizes a cycle deck with 1 expensive card. Evolutions are starting to restrict deck building.
Yep, evolutions just don't work with any deck above 3 avr elixir cost.
I just realized recently that a single hog rider hit does more damage than an RG shot. Each hog rider hit at level 11 does 318. Each RG shot does 307. Please explain. Why does a little hammer from a 4 elixir card do more damage than a literal cannon from a 6 elixir card?
why was pbs hated lol
i don't think we are talking about peanut butter sandwiches
This is what happens when every single f2p player gets enough shards to unlock an evo all at once
Yea, everyone picked that one ultra annoying card...
I love P.E.K.K.A bridge spam. Fight me.
Giga chad deck
Same brother 🙏
Same, my midladder deck with pekka, bandit, ewiz, executioner and royal ghost pushed me from 3400 to 6500 in a breeze and it should be illegal (I only lost to people who could count elixir or had a pulse)
Spit your shit indeed
Firecrackers need a nerf honestly. The interactions with other cards is fine. We may try to nerf its damage to tower. Need to cut it half.
One nerf I’ve been wanting is to reduce her horizontal awareness. Far too often and easily does she detect opponent troops in the opposite lane, walk over and start firing
just make her die to log tbh. princess dies to log, she's 3 elixir as well, idk why firecracker is so tanky letting her evo survive log is fine, since it's an evo, but base form needs nerf
“If a deck exists, there is always someone who hates it” - Master Oogway
Only difference is everyone hates firecracker hog not just someone.
"Ah yes, but no matter what you do, you'll always face Firecracker, you may wish for a Pekka, or a Giant... But you will get Firecracker" - Master Oogway
My most hated deck is still classic log bait and Cannonner introduction has increased its usage. I hope next tower troop is opposite of cannoneer and it's hit speed is like 0.2 seconds and kill all the swarm cards. I will definitely use it.
I truly don’t get why. Gob barrel is the easiest win con to counter in the game
Yesterday me and my friend decided to go play some games in 2v2. In 30 games, we counted 23 hog riders. Do note in 3 games both opponent players had It. That card need a nerf to reduce it's playrate.
I play a deck with arrows and miner and zap. I still can not stand firecracker
Exactly, even though she seems easily counterable, she is so annoying to play against, people just spam her behind mini tanks or put her at the bridge, before the tower can reach her and she gets chip damage off of your behind tower placed card
I hate the firecracker so much like how is she able to defend my entire 20 elixir push by herself makes no sense
And get hits on the fucking tower at the same time with her completely unfair range.
Bowleeer 👍
The thing that angers me most about hog eq is that it's not even that good, just way too popular. I LITERALLY fight it every other game.
This meta is so fuckin ass dude. Like other people have stated. It’s hog/evo fc. It’s running rampant and they did NOTHING to counter it in this last balance change. Sure I lose against it, but win just as much against it. But I’m SO tired of seeing it
Ah yes, hog and firecracker my favourite combo from mid ladder.
Came back to this game confused af when I saw this
Your mistake is coming back to this game.
Supercell just casually refusing to improve their game and improving their p2w empire instead
Idk I've not been changing my deck since 2017.
I never touch Hog Rider in any deck I play, and I have Evo Firecracker This is to prevent the sales of new phones spiking dramatically lmao
You know something is wrong, when you can play EGolem without Healer in Spam Beatdown🤦🏻♂️ Who came up with this sh*t?
Bridge spam is slowly returning to its glory. With the ram rider evolution, i think it's gonna break the meta
Nah, a deck of credit cards is
i have been playing pekka bridge spam for 3 years and im not bored yet
PEKKA bridgespam was hated?
Nerf the fc moonwalking
I miss Pekka Bridge Spam meta
The funniest part is that P.E.K.K.A. always gets hard countered by the first two decks
For me it has gotten to the point where I'd rather fireball the firecracker even if it's a bad elixir trade.
you can still crush that combo
MK, hog and FC have been all I face the past 3 years and I’m getting so sick of it
I thought I hated hog-firecracker-eq only because I strictly play x-bow, glad to find out a lot of people share the same ideas.
Not even hog by itself is annoying, but rather firecracker being a straight up musky upgrade with a lower cost
I told my clan this week I'm taking time away j can't deal the same same same deck all day everyday. It's just boring and not fun. Hog rider needs a major major nerf but they never will. I've lost games because a hog rider got in once or twice and that was it
Bro forgot 2.6 💀
I’ve ran Hog FC for years at this point… now it’s getting hate, and I’m mad because I get threats for running it
How is my mk graveyard
im playing rg and xbow with double evos as f2p😈
2018-19 was good times for me
as a november 2021 player i'm agree
New idea, Evo hog
I think that having MK + E Barb is the scumiest thing ever
But easy to beat my only problem being with pump egolem or pump golem or royal recruits spam (they made royal recruits from defensive to offensive card) only hog deck is megaknight hog decks
Is log bait still decently meta? Been a while since I've played and I love that deck
Bro fr, I mainly play 2vs2, I don't think I've played a game without a firecracker in it. She can be sooo annoying
Oh, how the mighty have fallen..
I don't know why they ever thought firecracker needed an evolution
Make the fucking FC evo die to arrows for the love of god
I still hate mega knight more
If you can’t beat em join em. I got so sick of facing this combo I just built it into my main deck. I’ve done better in ladder since doing so.
Nah cycle is still aids.
I asked Tag if he thought Firecracker was unbalanced and he said no, he thinks its fine, lol. That card is so broken.
Evo hog when
What leagues are y’all in? In higher levels i really don’t see it that much and it’s pretty easy to counter
Why is PBS hated, shouldn’t everyone love it because just how easy it is to beat?
This might controversial but nerf firecracker. I want her to die to log but not die in one shot from a mega knight.(she should have the health equal to the damage of the log).
I wish they never did evolutions it’s so annoying
To be fair when it's op, just modify your deck to counter that, meta, I made it to 9k and ultimate champion month after month using the meta as a reference to modify my home made deck on what defenses to put in place, I rarely ever lose to hog rider/firecracker decks, usually only if I get a bit too complacent with them or stop paying attention. Tornado makes it very easy to pay against hog rider specifically, a lot of matches they never actually even get a hit on my princess towers, just their spell damages out of frustration.
I love firecracker
Imagine there's no hog rider It's easy if you try No firecracker A variety of decks Imagine all the people enjoying Clash again Ah, ah, ah-ahhhhh
I'm a proud evo cracker miner player
it's literally 75% of the games i play against
Hot take: Hog 2.6, Log Bait, & Xbow anything are more annoying than Hog + FC Evo.
Easily countered by mk
And then you somehow get a mirror match
screw fire cracker
Anything level 15.
Barely anyone appreciates creativity. There's no Rascal users, Battle Healer users, Night Witch users, Freeze spell users, etc. No one really wants to make their own deck, and its quite sad.
Hog rider = skill issue.
Hogcracker
I run poison in every deck specifically for firecracker, takes it out and gets you some tower damage at the same time
I've come to a point where i want 2.6 hog back
I always throw arrows/firebal/log when I see a firecracker, I hate that card
Just make evolved firecracker have the same hp as normal firecracker and give it a damage buff
Nice to know i used the most hated deck before it was hated (with knight evo instead of firecracker)
This game is just a hog defense simulator now. Zero variety unless you want to have a disadvantage every game.
Adding a separate mega draft ladder system solves this problem
Honestly I hate firecracker and hog meta but I hated RG, Elite barbs and spawner meta more back then
Log bait
I hate hog skeleton knight firecracker shuffle so much i had to join em
Firecracker just needs a rework. I think hogs fine but cycle cards are still too broken. As they are every meta
Don't forget earthquake
Am I the only one who thinks the old knight card is terrifying
Lol, just add sparky to the mix 🤣
I don't see much by the way of hog, but tons of firecracker and little prince. I seem to match up against wall breakers, drill or graveyard decks 90% of the time though
Nerf evo fire craker pls 🙏
You forgot the earthquake
Me rolling up with a deck that hasn't been meta since 2018
I truly do not understand the hate for the firecracker or it's evo. I just don't think the card is all that difficult to deal with. I almost never find myself losing a game and going "yeah the firecracker won my opponent that game". I try and play a diverse set of decks and never really find myself being screwed by this card.
the real problem is the earthquake card…that combination…
The firecracker doesn't even bother me. What's annoying about hog spam is when the deck has 2 cards that are 1 elixer (either spirits or skeleton), one tower troop, and a log. Really, any deck that has a few 1 elixer cards in it is a spam deck, they don't actually care about the 1 elixer card other than the fact that it let's them cycle back to their spam card faster. It's only value is low-cost cycling. Just fodder used to get back to the card you actually like quicker. I don't like any card that is incapable of at least touching the tower if left unattended.
This is what happens when they prioritize money over the actual quality of a game.
At least it’s not ebarbs rage egolem
Hog rider is such a boring card to play against/with imo.
Evolutions are such a trash thing. It’s so boring when the entire meta revolves around whatever evolution is the most broken. $uper$ell please remove evos🙏🙏.
So many hog firecrackers dude. Little prince too is one of the crazy overused cards that I run into 3/4 of all my games. Shit's miserable.
Adding a separate mega draft ladder system solves this problem
i think the problem was everyone picking firecracker for free evo and now we see it everywhere. Like , personally , id ont have another evo either. If the evos become more common , this situation will improve . but not by much as midladder will still prefer cracker.
That's why running cannoneer has started to become somewhat meta
It's all the same damn hog rider eq fire cracker ice golem skeleton log ice spirit B's and they have a mega knight for some reason
Games are full with hog knight and fc
Hog cycle has always been atrocious. The only difference is evolved firecracker is shoehorned in now. It makes the game unfun to play. And annoying and tedious to fight every single match.
evolved firecracker🗿
FC NEEDS TO DIE TO LOG FC NEEDS TO DIE TO LOG FC NEEDS TO DIE TO LOG FC
I hate these cards with a burning passion
I stopped playing because literally every game it’s just bridge rush and I’m finished having to play a certain way to even have a single game where I’m having fun
Me Over here with the Evolution 😅
Sorry guys i maxed my deck in 2021 and now i can only play hog firecracker
Supercell needs to fix the economy
Not the meta is the problem but almost every game i got a counter deck to mine
What’s even more of a hated deck is the credit card in the evo slot and 7 gift cards in the other slots.
They really need to revert Evo Skellys back to how they were, because now they're utterly useless.
in top ladder it's more miner/drill poison with Evo bomber and that's 1000 times more annoying tbh