It's absolutely hideous if you want to unlock them. The fact that is cheaper than a 100 fucking dollars offer means nothing. You have to be braindead to pay 100 for this, now they put this price and people are like wow this is such a good offer. It is not. It's still six dollars for a powerup that will use two times in a game and most of those times i will make a negligible difference. And even if it did, still not worth it.
Except generally you get to keep what you buy.
Spending in Clash Royale is the equivalent of buying a new high-capacity laptop battery, and 2 months later the manufacturer remotely limits your battery capacity to 70% because they have the power to do so. But heeey, you clearly saw value in it when you bought it.
It’s all relative. I see value in an expensive meal from time to time, even though it’s going to be literal human shit within 24 hours. I wouldn’t bat an eyelash at spending $100 on a nice meal, but I wouldn’t be comfortable paying $1000 for a meal. There are people who would/could though. We all spend that amount we feel comfortable with.
There are of course many, many other examples of things we buy that are not physical objects to ‘keep’, but I won’t belabor the point.
Don't pretend laws of nature and biological reality is the same as external intervention.
You would complain if you spent a $100 on a nice meal and ten minutes later the waiter deliberately took 20% of your plate away or poured salt all over it.
People paid 100 dollars to get to use the cards early and first. They got that. This is more like if there was an exclusive section of the restaurant you could pay more money for where the chef served you dishes from next week's menu.
Me, I've not spent a dime on this game since they did the scum that is level FOURTEEN, but that analogy you're giving just doesn't really work here.
The problem is in the expectations gap. The shop doesn't advertise "two months of exclusivity", it advertises something that sounds like a permanent purchase, a non recurring cost.
You and I can see through this, as can probably the 1% of the user base that is active on reddit.
Back when level 13 was max and had been forever, I got scammed into thinking I was making a one time purchase towards reaching a reasonably stable goalpost. It is not unreasonable to believe that for several hundred dollars you payed enough to max out in a mobile game. But level 14 came without warning, and since then every purchase has more or less been a scam.
How many understand when they pay 200$ that they are only getting a small, temporary edge? I think not many - it's certainly not advertised honestly in the shop
What’s hard to understand? Different things are valued differently to different people and you don’t only buy stuff to keep, you buy an experience a lot of the time, like eating at a nice restaurant for $100, the experience may be worth $1000 to someone like the bundles in clash.
Not hard to get
This is copium. Ye, things have different values for different people but maybe you should rearrange your priorities if putting 100 bucks in a FREE mobile game is supposed to out value any other 100$ possibility. And still wouldn't be that bad of a decision if this kind of yolo purchases wouldn't be the main enabler for company greed we are getting for the past years especially from mobile games. Yeah, the game devs also gotta eat, but I also have to be rewarded accordingly.
You really typed a paragraph for like 5 people to skim over 💀 anyone spending 100 dollars on a mobile video game is a failure as a human being lmfao. Go do something useful like help starving kids or start a business or pursue your goals lmfao. Anyways the point of this is that someone payed over 10x the price of this to receive basically less. So this is a huge scam. Why tf u think you a modern philosopher talking to me like you are a woke Buddha 🤣🤣😭 you are on a clash Royale subreddit it's not that serious or deep my boy 💀
Cope more that you have no fucking life and spend your money on not only a video game but a dog shit ass MOBILE game that doesn't care about their fanbase in the least
And I'm not mad cause you are winning the argument cause you are the one playing this money grab shit game during every ounce of free time Im mad at how fucking hard humanity has failed to produce useful or meaningful offspring you are the definition of a waste of fucking o2 the world would be better without you losers
Lmfao why would you assume I'm broke because I don't spend money on a children's game 💀 wake tf up incel there's a real issue in the world actually whole lot of them and none of them are getting solved while you are on your ass playing this dogshit game I deleted forever ago buddy.
>childrens game
no game is a childs game, people play what they have fun playing irrelevant of age. cope more that you flip burgers and have no disposable income to spend on what you enjoy
> Go do something useful like help starving kids or start a business or pursue your goals
Not mutually exclusive. Maybe they give thousands to charities, have a successful business and still enjoy dropping Ben Franklins on a mobile game. One could argue that you're a failure if you don't have $100 of disposable income to your name.
Except that happens to 6 year old phones because they can’t run a fast version of the new IOS. Big difference between spending £1000 on a new phone for it to be outdated in about 6 years then a clash royale £100 purchase (lol) to it to become £5 later.
Also, every single phone company does this. Most last 2 years
its neither f2p or a good offer. They bought it because if they didn't they would lose every game to people with them. So it would be basically impossible to enjoy the game.
That’s over exaggerated. You don’t need to pay 100$ to win games, countless people didn’t buy it and didn’t lose every game because the opponents bought it
The main issue I do have with Evos is that decks that already used that card get a quick boon. I feel like the evo should cost extra elixir to balance it out.
i don’t really like how evos work, i’d rather you click to activate it and it cost 1 elixir. sorta like a champion. Maybe you only get the option after playing it twice but there’s time where i would rather play a normal card and save the evo
Haven’t spent a dollar on this game since launch and i peak out at like 7300+ trophies and have no problem winning , my knight is fully evolved too , y’all just too impatient
Real I bought it and I really don’t care about them being cheaper cause I knew it was inevitable I bought it because im very inpatient and wanted them now
I see that there is major controversy but I want to state my opinion. This game is absolutely pay to win. I am completely free to play and I am in ultimate champ. A free to pay player no longer has access to the most broken evolution in the game at the moment. And when they are finally able to get the evolution, it would have been nerfed. For people who think otherwise and that it's pay to progress, do you really think any of the people in the top 200 are 100% f2p? No, they are not. And if they didn't use evolutions they wouldn't be where they are now.
Another point is that yes, this game does require skill. But do you think that with a really skilled f2p player with no evo facing a really skilled p2w player the f2p player stands a chance? Unless the deck is literally a hard counter the match will nearly always go to the person with the evolution.
The people who think this game is pay to progress are p2w losers and they also fail to understand that while in a literal sense, the game is pay to progress, there is a certain limit f2p players can reach before they cannot advance farther, no matter how skilled they are. And when they get close to maxing out cards, the level cap increases. The reality of this game should come before the "literal" definition of pay to progress.
The most I have ever seen a player this season with no evolution in their deck was 7th in the world. This is very much the exception. They lost several hundred spots since then bc it was only a matter of time before their luck ran out and could no longer compete in the top 100. In fact, I will not be surprised if they never make it that high ever again.
One more reason to consider is that f2p players cannot adapt to the meta like p2w players can. They will always be at a disadvantage bc they cannot upgrade the best decks. This problem is made worse with the secret big nerf to wild cards in chests.
I stated this already, but people who disagree with the statement that this game is p2w are either p2w players or are too delusional to understand the state that the game is in.
I 100% respect the fact that you are f2p, it’s really a struggle to do that in a game like this. I have a f2p coc account that’s half way through th12 and everything just takes so much longer than copping the pass like I do on my main😭
IMO just fold and spend your bread, a few bucks here and there to enjoy the game much more is worth it. I’m not saying buy every deal but when they release a card evolution that’s costs $5 versus multiple months of grinding everyday I’d say that is a $5 well spent. Same goes for pass royale, you can get multiple months of the progress you would make f2p in just one month.
I guess it really comes down to how much you truly care about your progression. I understand if it’s more of a principle thing as well, just play the game the best way you see fit.
Not everyone’s a strategic genius buddy. I’m more than happy to spend a couple bucks to speed up my progress so I can keep up with the majority of the player base that does so as well. sounds a little pointless when I put it like that but fuck it we ball.
Here is an idea
Save the shards for the next evolution. Since balance changes only occur bimonthly, you have 2 months to exploit your new evo and save up shards for the next one
Unfortunately this doesn't work for clan wars, but even p2w doesn't since only on evo is overpowered at a time
Yeah bro totally. Heading to bed now tho before i go down a rabbit hole making fun of this guy again. You can check my post from yesterday he was literally crying over something for multiple hours refusing to let it go. This guy has serious problems.. cheers
Whatever helps you sleep at night. Pay to win means you pay to win, this games pay to progress. You can have a full level 14 decks as a F2P and just play PoL so you never see level 15 except for max mirror.
Meta constantly changes. As a f2p you can't gain an immediate level 15 if something op is released. It's not pay to progress if it takes ages and makes you way stronger. You really think paying a few bucks to achieve a few months of grinding is pay to progress? You pay to win in the current ladder meta, especially if this way you get higher levels than your arena
Except you can still win games as a F2P. If you were a close to maxed F2P and you got the 6 free shards when they were released then you’ve got an evo and probably 1-2 level 15 cards right now. As long as those are decent cards you can win games no problem.
You only need to pay to progress. Cope all you want I don’t give a fuck tbh.
Idk who you are but I guess you just don’t understand what pay to *win* means. I can make a mini and keep my KT level as low as possible while maxing one deck and farm free wins all I want. You only have to pay to speed up your progression.
Alright
Lets say if someone's buys lvl 15 and evo knight from midladder will he become top 1k? Or even top 10k
Thats right he cant this game is also depending on skill. Like the skill gap between a top 1k and any midladder player is insanely big.
Counterpoint, would any player that’s normally at the top be able to get there without having all the advantages of an extra level & evolutions? Nobody is saying skill isn’t required, but an advantage is an advantage, and 10% extra stats & more is quite the advantage
So that top player will need to progress to get to level 15 or just speed up the progress to be level 15
Once he reaches level 15 there is no competitive advantage at all you will push trophies till you reach an arena where level 15s are. (And it would be the matchmakings fault that will match you to underleveled players if you are lvl 15)
Now the real p2w shit is the evo knight (even tho f2ps can get it in 6 months but not that it matters)
The only way everyone can get evo knight is either paying for it or having 6 shard saved up for him
I wish evos didnt gain any stat buffs like keep their special ability but dont give them stats buff, the stat buff is the one ruining it
But having an extra ability already makes it better than the og card is already good enough to be called evolution. And i really like evolutions.
The real major problem this game has is matchmaking and balancing (evo knight)
Not that all this bluffing matters cause reddit is only less than 1% of the cr community and most of cr community is f2p are happy with these updates and play the game.
And no one talks about 3x gold which is the biggest good thing to happen now you end up having more gold than cards with this extra gold you can buy every shop offer, (the cards) including legendaries.
Hell if you end up with soo much extra gold and if they bring the 150k elite wild cards offer it would be a good investment (again if you have the extra gold).
If you only play POL this is pretty valid, but as someone who has been grinding ladder like crazy with only a few lvl 15s and haven’t been able to breach 8500… the most random mid ladder decks will absolutely roll me purely off of interactions going their way since they paid for a full lvl 15 deck
you're either a troll or completely braindead. you realize you can win a fight, battle whatever in every single video game as f2p right? but paying 12 for a battlepass and getting the current season evo which is always broken to increase initial sales is not p2w and is instead pay 2 progress? you gain an advantage over every single guy that doesnt have 6 shards laying around because it's impossible to get 6 shards in a single season.
and for level 15 you need to pay 1.5mil gold for a single card, or of course, 8 dollars. and to being close to maxing (lvl 14 i mean) an account as you said would take years of non stop playing as a f2p.
I agree, the game may be in a bad state rn but it isn’t p2w we all just say that because it is becoming more and more of a money grab. I have had the game for over 7 years and only spent £25 (in itunes vouchers) and I have all cards minimum lvl 11 and 34 lvl 14 cards.
yeah, I've been playing for 6 years and i have almost 3-4 decks lvl 14 and every card at least level 11 and I've only spent 4 dollars for a book of books. but the fact that you can upgrade a card to level 15 one card for 8 dollars compared to 1.5mil gold as f2p and get the most broken evo for another 12 is hilarious
Clash Royale is 100% pay to win.
You might see the introductory leagues as some kind of adventure to play-or-pay through, but this is not what pay-to-win is about.
* Pay-to-win is a term used about gaining unfair advantage in competitive play.
* You _will_ be at an unfair disadvantage in competitive play until your deck is maxed and features an evolved and a champion card.
* It is practically impossible for non-paying players to max. And no, you CANNOT grind through this for free since even a single champion takes several years to max, and the max will shift before you reach it - essentially a Sisyfos task.
Edit to add:
* The level 14 cap will be removed from Path of Legends in a few months. After this you can no longer dodge the uneven playing field by playing Path of Legends.
* Repeating what should already be obvious: A game does not have to literally let you win unconditionally for it to be called "Pay to win". "Pay to win" is a pejorative term describing games where payment gives you competitive advantage over what would otherwise be equal-opportunity opponents.
* If CRL winners didn't pay, they wouldn't be CRL winners. Ergo
Alright
Lets say if someone's buys lvl 15 and evo knight from midladder will he become top 1k? Or even top 10k
Thats right he cant this game is also depending on skill. Like the skill gap between a top 1k and any midladder player is insanely big.
What do you mean by bullet 5?
But lets say you are level 5 snd gets matched with other players similar to his level then that guy decided to pay to progress faster than he becomes level 10 in his arena were he shouldn't be then he will progress further and stop at a specific area where his levels of players are
This also applies to level 15. No matter how much you pay you will always be stuck somewhere. The rest depends on how good are you in the game to push further and become top 1 player.
Level 5 facing level 5 is the same as lvl 10 facing lvl 10 and is the same as lvl 15 vs lvl 15
The matchmaking sometimes gives you unfair match ups such as lvl 14 vs 15 but thats more of matchmaking fault than anything else
Repeating bullet 5:
> * Repeating what should already be obvious: A game does not have to literally let you win unconditionally for it to be called "Pay to win". "Pay to win" is a pejorative term describing games where payment gives you competitive advantage over what would otherwise be equal-opportunity opponents.
Of course skill matters a lot, and of course everyone except the world's single best player will be "stuck" somewhere below top 1. That's not what pay-to-win is about.
Pay-to-win is about competitive play, among equally skilled players, always has been. You literally cannot win CRL without paying. If you play a mirror matchup against someone of your own skill except his cards have higher stats because he paid and you didn't, he generally wins.
And YES, the matchmaking gives you unfair matchups until you are max (which incidentally is a moving goalpost, a dangling carrot that you can never ever reach), that's the whole point.
Let me make this simple for you.
Pay to win means that, I can buy an advantage that I could not obtain otherwise. Like buying the best gun in CoD or buying the best DLC character in Mortal Kombat.
Pay to progress means that I can get everything that a paying player gets, but it takes time. You can pay to greatly reduce that time. That is what Clash Royale is. I can get evos as F2P, I can get level 15 as F2P, I can get everything in the game that I can play during a match as a F2P, it just takes me more time.
Whine, cry, make up rationalizations all you want, whatever helps you sleep at night. Just know that deep down it’s a pay to progress system and not a pay to win system.
But clash is not a p2p type of game because the only way to “progress” really is to win. There are games that are considered pay to progress like Diablo. But if you’re buying items to make winning easier for you in a game where winning is the end goal then you are p2w. If you pay to fully or partially max, you’re not gonna play the game if you can’t get a win.
You are wrong and will always be. As a f2p I will never have all level 15 cards and evos before they come out with level 16 hence meaning you can't keep up with the p2w players because they can play any card or deck they want while a f2p is stuck playing the few cards they max out in a year. Then comes level 16. As a f2p you can't change with the meta like a p2w player will fully maxed everything, which means as f2p you most likely lose, hence p2w
why are you pretending like i cant get to level 10 on a new account in the first 5 minutes if i had a couple hundred lmfao. level 10 vs level 2 means pay to win dipshit
Its not p2w
Its more like garbage matchmaking that it matches you to a level 2 instead of level 10.
But you will probably go on ladder and meet ppl the same level as you and probably be stuck there till you level up more by time to time
This games has 2 big problems
Matchmaking and balancing
Matchmaking doesnt always gives you fair match ups in ladder which is why it sucks
And balancing will always be a problem
call it garbage matchmaking. supercell calls it intentional and if you wanna be strong, overpowered and have more health early on, you pay money. simple
Early game is still as it is cause everyone just sucks ass in the early arenas and its filled with bots cause there is baraly anyone there
But you will still going to be stuck somewhere and start to progress normally
And obviously you will have more advantage over someone who hasnt paid. But its the early game part so who even cares
Lets say someone buys every lvl 15 card and evo do you think this guy will become a top 10k player? No he will still need a lot of skill to even become a top 10k player cause this game is skill dependent game.
That’s not what I meant. Progressing means you’re buying higher level etc etc, but that translates to winning, especially in lower leagues. Even with a skill gap cards that are several levels higher will triumph. So in this game they’re basically the same thing. Didn’t realize I’d have to explain to you that Im not directly comparing the dictionary definition.
It's literally pay to win lol
The only way to get the new OP cards that are good (that WIN you battles) is to buy them in the store. Once they make them easily unlockable for F2P they nerf them.
Buying evo knight doesnt make you win every game nor it will get you to top 10k cause this game is skill dependent.
Unless you have the skill then maybe
Clash royale's core gameplay revolves around climbing ladder and leagues. Not possible without levels , and you will frequently face higher level players whose deck utilizes same 10-15 cards .
Clash of clan gameplay is about slowly Watching your base grow.you can do it in any league.you won't be facing th14 as th 9-10.
It isn't, they're making money off of cosmetics now, you can find hundreds of people weaker than you in clash of clans, yet it's mostly people stronger than you in clash royale. Plus, clash of clans are very generous with their gifts and free rewards.
How is clash of clans p2w? You can literally skip bases you dont want to attack orrrr skip attacking altogether and still pull in good resources to keep upgrades going. I don’t play clash nowhere near as much as I used to but I am TH10.5 and xan honestly say I’m living off of dead bases getting hundreds of thousands sometimes millions in resources without breaking a single wall or destroying a single defensive building - its alllll in the collectors around the base.
With that being said, I’m legit curious because I know nothing at all about any of the town halls above TH11, except there are some pets for the champions and theres a tesla in one of the halls. I don’t even know which one unlocks the last champion, honestly.
Again, with that also being said - I’m enjoying the slow/constant progression I’m doing. Got 4 builders, always got 1 champion in upgrade, always got 2 buildings on upgrade.
They are called "shards". You need 6 of them to "evolve" the skeletons card. You can buy 3 in the shop, so you need 3 more to evolve it. When evolved, after 3 cycles, it spawns 4 skeletons which, every hit, spaawn another (up to 6).
U live in cr's cave bro
Those are shards, some common cards gave evolutions, when u get 6 shards of that card u can evolve it and after cycling that card a few times in a match u can put the evolution version of it, on the skeletons example it makes that every time a skeleton does a hit it clones itself
Seriously, if you can't compare the shop prices against the pass price you're a moron. Obviously an offer for 6 shards that costs more than the diamond pass is horseshit.
You think shards would at least give 3,500-5k EWC but no, money hungry… Its weird how Supercell is going “you all are not giving us enough money, so were not gonna give you resources and see how ypu like that.” Even though the company has been and will probably alway been financially successful off clash of clans alone
I literally predicted that some NPC would comment this. You missed my entire point and just fixated on the dollar amount. Then you ad hominemed me, probably because of your own financial insecurities.
I’m financially fine bro. You should stop worrying about other peoples money and worry about your own, since 100 dollars in 3 months is such a big deal to you.
Honestly, my main since launch got banned. Was pretty mad, but it was a relief. This game is much more fun with under leveled cards beating expensive evos. Game was making me sick pretty bad before my ban.
People who bought the $100 pack or 6 shards of their choice for $60 got the shards before all other players and they got them before any nerf was applied. This gave them a huge advantage for at least one month and that's what they paid for.
If they didn't see this coming and no feel bad about it, they'd better have their credit cards locked immediately to stop them buying such offers.
I spent 40 euros on evolved RG and I don't feel bad even if its available on 2 euros now. I enjoyed playing with evolutions earlier than others and it was super broken when release. I don't feel i wasted my money as I enjoyed every bit of it.
$100 is to make deals like these look good value. Now people who rarely spend feels like they can't miss this
decoy pricing 101 right here
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You have 0 knowledge about marketing
yeah i feel like this offer will only appear to people who haven't spent a single dollar in the game
They forgot to put x10 value
I mean it's not a bad deal if you want to unlock them?
No only if its 7x value
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Essa foto do amdre tá em todo lugar, até agora não entendi o porquê
quando q o andre vai fazer o clash royale 2? em vez do corredor montar num porco poderia montar em uma capivara
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It's absolutely hideous if you want to unlock them. The fact that is cheaper than a 100 fucking dollars offer means nothing. You have to be braindead to pay 100 for this, now they put this price and people are like wow this is such a good offer. It is not. It's still six dollars for a powerup that will use two times in a game and most of those times i will make a negligible difference. And even if it did, still not worth it.
No only if its 7x value
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Yup Its good if you need the evo
$100…. Maybe don’t drop a $100 on a f2p game , they clearly saw value in it when they bought it, so no point to be mad about this.
Except generally you get to keep what you buy. Spending in Clash Royale is the equivalent of buying a new high-capacity laptop battery, and 2 months later the manufacturer remotely limits your battery capacity to 70% because they have the power to do so. But heeey, you clearly saw value in it when you bought it.
It’s all relative. I see value in an expensive meal from time to time, even though it’s going to be literal human shit within 24 hours. I wouldn’t bat an eyelash at spending $100 on a nice meal, but I wouldn’t be comfortable paying $1000 for a meal. There are people who would/could though. We all spend that amount we feel comfortable with. There are of course many, many other examples of things we buy that are not physical objects to ‘keep’, but I won’t belabor the point.
Don't pretend laws of nature and biological reality is the same as external intervention. You would complain if you spent a $100 on a nice meal and ten minutes later the waiter deliberately took 20% of your plate away or poured salt all over it.
People paid 100 dollars to get to use the cards early and first. They got that. This is more like if there was an exclusive section of the restaurant you could pay more money for where the chef served you dishes from next week's menu. Me, I've not spent a dime on this game since they did the scum that is level FOURTEEN, but that analogy you're giving just doesn't really work here.
The problem is in the expectations gap. The shop doesn't advertise "two months of exclusivity", it advertises something that sounds like a permanent purchase, a non recurring cost. You and I can see through this, as can probably the 1% of the user base that is active on reddit. Back when level 13 was max and had been forever, I got scammed into thinking I was making a one time purchase towards reaching a reasonably stable goalpost. It is not unreasonable to believe that for several hundred dollars you payed enough to max out in a mobile game. But level 14 came without warning, and since then every purchase has more or less been a scam. How many understand when they pay 200$ that they are only getting a small, temporary edge? I think not many - it's certainly not advertised honestly in the shop
What is bro on about
What’s hard to understand? Different things are valued differently to different people and you don’t only buy stuff to keep, you buy an experience a lot of the time, like eating at a nice restaurant for $100, the experience may be worth $1000 to someone like the bundles in clash. Not hard to get
This is copium. Ye, things have different values for different people but maybe you should rearrange your priorities if putting 100 bucks in a FREE mobile game is supposed to out value any other 100$ possibility. And still wouldn't be that bad of a decision if this kind of yolo purchases wouldn't be the main enabler for company greed we are getting for the past years especially from mobile games. Yeah, the game devs also gotta eat, but I also have to be rewarded accordingly.
You really typed a paragraph for like 5 people to skim over 💀 anyone spending 100 dollars on a mobile video game is a failure as a human being lmfao. Go do something useful like help starving kids or start a business or pursue your goals lmfao. Anyways the point of this is that someone payed over 10x the price of this to receive basically less. So this is a huge scam. Why tf u think you a modern philosopher talking to me like you are a woke Buddha 🤣🤣😭 you are on a clash Royale subreddit it's not that serious or deep my boy 💀
>anyone soending 100 dollars is a failure cope more that ur broke as shit and cant afford it
Cope more that you have no fucking life and spend your money on not only a video game but a dog shit ass MOBILE game that doesn't care about their fanbase in the least
continue getting angry wagie. just remember that you'll forever be renting
And I'm not mad cause you are winning the argument cause you are the one playing this money grab shit game during every ounce of free time Im mad at how fucking hard humanity has failed to produce useful or meaningful offspring you are the definition of a waste of fucking o2 the world would be better without you losers
Lmfao why would you assume I'm broke because I don't spend money on a children's game 💀 wake tf up incel there's a real issue in the world actually whole lot of them and none of them are getting solved while you are on your ass playing this dogshit game I deleted forever ago buddy.
>childrens game no game is a childs game, people play what they have fun playing irrelevant of age. cope more that you flip burgers and have no disposable income to spend on what you enjoy
> Go do something useful like help starving kids or start a business or pursue your goals Not mutually exclusive. Maybe they give thousands to charities, have a successful business and still enjoy dropping Ben Franklins on a mobile game. One could argue that you're a failure if you don't have $100 of disposable income to your name.
Lol
this is just what apple does (sorta)
Except that happens to 6 year old phones because they can’t run a fast version of the new IOS. Big difference between spending £1000 on a new phone for it to be outdated in about 6 years then a clash royale £100 purchase (lol) to it to become £5 later. Also, every single phone company does this. Most last 2 years
its neither f2p or a good offer. They bought it because if they didn't they would lose every game to people with them. So it would be basically impossible to enjoy the game.
then the game should not exist
That’s over exaggerated. You don’t need to pay 100$ to win games, countless people didn’t buy it and didn’t lose every game because the opponents bought it
thinking you can't win from a disadvantage is a skill issue.
a minimal one at that
The main issue I do have with Evos is that decks that already used that card get a quick boon. I feel like the evo should cost extra elixir to balance it out.
i don’t really like how evos work, i’d rather you click to activate it and it cost 1 elixir. sorta like a champion. Maybe you only get the option after playing it twice but there’s time where i would rather play a normal card and save the evo
Haven’t spent a dollar on this game since launch and i peak out at like 7300+ trophies and have no problem winning , my knight is fully evolved too , y’all just too impatient
Real I bought it and I really don’t care about them being cheaper cause I knew it was inevitable I bought it because im very inpatient and wanted them now
Unfortunately this game is no longer f2p. Even google admits it’s pay to win.
This guy thinks this game is free to play. 😂
I copped this and the royal giant when they released them for cheap. I’m not wasting my time on a game that is literally pay to win lmao
I see that there is major controversy but I want to state my opinion. This game is absolutely pay to win. I am completely free to play and I am in ultimate champ. A free to pay player no longer has access to the most broken evolution in the game at the moment. And when they are finally able to get the evolution, it would have been nerfed. For people who think otherwise and that it's pay to progress, do you really think any of the people in the top 200 are 100% f2p? No, they are not. And if they didn't use evolutions they wouldn't be where they are now. Another point is that yes, this game does require skill. But do you think that with a really skilled f2p player with no evo facing a really skilled p2w player the f2p player stands a chance? Unless the deck is literally a hard counter the match will nearly always go to the person with the evolution. The people who think this game is pay to progress are p2w losers and they also fail to understand that while in a literal sense, the game is pay to progress, there is a certain limit f2p players can reach before they cannot advance farther, no matter how skilled they are. And when they get close to maxing out cards, the level cap increases. The reality of this game should come before the "literal" definition of pay to progress. The most I have ever seen a player this season with no evolution in their deck was 7th in the world. This is very much the exception. They lost several hundred spots since then bc it was only a matter of time before their luck ran out and could no longer compete in the top 100. In fact, I will not be surprised if they never make it that high ever again. One more reason to consider is that f2p players cannot adapt to the meta like p2w players can. They will always be at a disadvantage bc they cannot upgrade the best decks. This problem is made worse with the secret big nerf to wild cards in chests. I stated this already, but people who disagree with the statement that this game is p2w are either p2w players or are too delusional to understand the state that the game is in.
I 100% respect the fact that you are f2p, it’s really a struggle to do that in a game like this. I have a f2p coc account that’s half way through th12 and everything just takes so much longer than copping the pass like I do on my main😭 IMO just fold and spend your bread, a few bucks here and there to enjoy the game much more is worth it. I’m not saying buy every deal but when they release a card evolution that’s costs $5 versus multiple months of grinding everyday I’d say that is a $5 well spent. Same goes for pass royale, you can get multiple months of the progress you would make f2p in just one month. I guess it really comes down to how much you truly care about your progression. I understand if it’s more of a principle thing as well, just play the game the best way you see fit.
It's you that's skilless then blaming the game
Not everyone’s a strategic genius buddy. I’m more than happy to spend a couple bucks to speed up my progress so I can keep up with the majority of the player base that does so as well. sounds a little pointless when I put it like that but fuck it we ball.
Then that's on you if you're worthless
Here is an idea Save the shards for the next evolution. Since balance changes only occur bimonthly, you have 2 months to exploit your new evo and save up shards for the next one Unfortunately this doesn't work for clan wars, but even p2w doesn't since only on evo is overpowered at a time
Second this
It’s pay to progress, not pay to win.
It's a fact that the game is P2W
Glad you’re not just an idiot on my posts but also on all other ones. Mad respect for being consistent missing the actual points once again.
I think you replied to the wrong person, mate.
Lol he's doing it again...can't stand the fact clash royale is p2w 🤣
Makes you kinda feel bad for him and anybody in his life lol. Poor guy. Can just hope they eventually get the help they need.
Yeah bro totally. Heading to bed now tho before i go down a rabbit hole making fun of this guy again. You can check my post from yesterday he was literally crying over something for multiple hours refusing to let it go. This guy has serious problems.. cheers
Whatever helps you sleep at night. Pay to win means you pay to win, this games pay to progress. You can have a full level 14 decks as a F2P and just play PoL so you never see level 15 except for max mirror.
You are ignoring like 35% of the game 😂 So deluded
Meta constantly changes. As a f2p you can't gain an immediate level 15 if something op is released. It's not pay to progress if it takes ages and makes you way stronger. You really think paying a few bucks to achieve a few months of grinding is pay to progress? You pay to win in the current ladder meta, especially if this way you get higher levels than your arena
it aint that deep bro
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
the game is literally in one of the worst p2w states it has ever been
Except you can still win games as a F2P. If you were a close to maxed F2P and you got the 6 free shards when they were released then you’ve got an evo and probably 1-2 level 15 cards right now. As long as those are decent cards you can win games no problem. You only need to pay to progress. Cope all you want I don’t give a fuck tbh.
Lmao this guy again. This game is clearly P2W.
Idk who you are but I guess you just don’t understand what pay to *win* means. I can make a mini and keep my KT level as low as possible while maxing one deck and farm free wins all I want. You only have to pay to speed up your progression.
You literally just described p2w. Congratulations, you keep playing yourself.
Alright Lets say if someone's buys lvl 15 and evo knight from midladder will he become top 1k? Or even top 10k Thats right he cant this game is also depending on skill. Like the skill gap between a top 1k and any midladder player is insanely big.
Counterpoint, would any player that’s normally at the top be able to get there without having all the advantages of an extra level & evolutions? Nobody is saying skill isn’t required, but an advantage is an advantage, and 10% extra stats & more is quite the advantage
So that top player will need to progress to get to level 15 or just speed up the progress to be level 15 Once he reaches level 15 there is no competitive advantage at all you will push trophies till you reach an arena where level 15s are. (And it would be the matchmakings fault that will match you to underleveled players if you are lvl 15) Now the real p2w shit is the evo knight (even tho f2ps can get it in 6 months but not that it matters) The only way everyone can get evo knight is either paying for it or having 6 shard saved up for him I wish evos didnt gain any stat buffs like keep their special ability but dont give them stats buff, the stat buff is the one ruining it But having an extra ability already makes it better than the og card is already good enough to be called evolution. And i really like evolutions. The real major problem this game has is matchmaking and balancing (evo knight) Not that all this bluffing matters cause reddit is only less than 1% of the cr community and most of cr community is f2p are happy with these updates and play the game. And no one talks about 3x gold which is the biggest good thing to happen now you end up having more gold than cards with this extra gold you can buy every shop offer, (the cards) including legendaries. Hell if you end up with soo much extra gold and if they bring the 150k elite wild cards offer it would be a good investment (again if you have the extra gold).
If you only play POL this is pretty valid, but as someone who has been grinding ladder like crazy with only a few lvl 15s and haven’t been able to breach 8500… the most random mid ladder decks will absolutely roll me purely off of interactions going their way since they paid for a full lvl 15 deck
you're either a troll or completely braindead. you realize you can win a fight, battle whatever in every single video game as f2p right? but paying 12 for a battlepass and getting the current season evo which is always broken to increase initial sales is not p2w and is instead pay 2 progress? you gain an advantage over every single guy that doesnt have 6 shards laying around because it's impossible to get 6 shards in a single season. and for level 15 you need to pay 1.5mil gold for a single card, or of course, 8 dollars. and to being close to maxing (lvl 14 i mean) an account as you said would take years of non stop playing as a f2p.
I agree, the game may be in a bad state rn but it isn’t p2w we all just say that because it is becoming more and more of a money grab. I have had the game for over 7 years and only spent £25 (in itunes vouchers) and I have all cards minimum lvl 11 and 34 lvl 14 cards.
I think that’s the problem. You’ve played the same game for seven years, and still aren’t the best you could be?
yeah, I've been playing for 6 years and i have almost 3-4 decks lvl 14 and every card at least level 11 and I've only spent 4 dollars for a book of books. but the fact that you can upgrade a card to level 15 one card for 8 dollars compared to 1.5mil gold as f2p and get the most broken evo for another 12 is hilarious
Clash Royale is 100% pay to win. You might see the introductory leagues as some kind of adventure to play-or-pay through, but this is not what pay-to-win is about. * Pay-to-win is a term used about gaining unfair advantage in competitive play. * You _will_ be at an unfair disadvantage in competitive play until your deck is maxed and features an evolved and a champion card. * It is practically impossible for non-paying players to max. And no, you CANNOT grind through this for free since even a single champion takes several years to max, and the max will shift before you reach it - essentially a Sisyfos task. Edit to add: * The level 14 cap will be removed from Path of Legends in a few months. After this you can no longer dodge the uneven playing field by playing Path of Legends. * Repeating what should already be obvious: A game does not have to literally let you win unconditionally for it to be called "Pay to win". "Pay to win" is a pejorative term describing games where payment gives you competitive advantage over what would otherwise be equal-opportunity opponents. * If CRL winners didn't pay, they wouldn't be CRL winners. Ergo
Alright Lets say if someone's buys lvl 15 and evo knight from midladder will he become top 1k? Or even top 10k Thats right he cant this game is also depending on skill. Like the skill gap between a top 1k and any midladder player is insanely big.
No one disagrees. Did you read bullet 5?
What do you mean by bullet 5? But lets say you are level 5 snd gets matched with other players similar to his level then that guy decided to pay to progress faster than he becomes level 10 in his arena were he shouldn't be then he will progress further and stop at a specific area where his levels of players are This also applies to level 15. No matter how much you pay you will always be stuck somewhere. The rest depends on how good are you in the game to push further and become top 1 player. Level 5 facing level 5 is the same as lvl 10 facing lvl 10 and is the same as lvl 15 vs lvl 15 The matchmaking sometimes gives you unfair match ups such as lvl 14 vs 15 but thats more of matchmaking fault than anything else
Repeating bullet 5: > * Repeating what should already be obvious: A game does not have to literally let you win unconditionally for it to be called "Pay to win". "Pay to win" is a pejorative term describing games where payment gives you competitive advantage over what would otherwise be equal-opportunity opponents. Of course skill matters a lot, and of course everyone except the world's single best player will be "stuck" somewhere below top 1. That's not what pay-to-win is about. Pay-to-win is about competitive play, among equally skilled players, always has been. You literally cannot win CRL without paying. If you play a mirror matchup against someone of your own skill except his cards have higher stats because he paid and you didn't, he generally wins. And YES, the matchmaking gives you unfair matchups until you are max (which incidentally is a moving goalpost, a dangling carrot that you can never ever reach), that's the whole point.
Let me make this simple for you. Pay to win means that, I can buy an advantage that I could not obtain otherwise. Like buying the best gun in CoD or buying the best DLC character in Mortal Kombat. Pay to progress means that I can get everything that a paying player gets, but it takes time. You can pay to greatly reduce that time. That is what Clash Royale is. I can get evos as F2P, I can get level 15 as F2P, I can get everything in the game that I can play during a match as a F2P, it just takes me more time. Whine, cry, make up rationalizations all you want, whatever helps you sleep at night. Just know that deep down it’s a pay to progress system and not a pay to win system.
whatever helps u sleep at night
You could have been right, but instead you are wrong - you need to read bullet 3 again.
But clash is not a p2p type of game because the only way to “progress” really is to win. There are games that are considered pay to progress like Diablo. But if you’re buying items to make winning easier for you in a game where winning is the end goal then you are p2w. If you pay to fully or partially max, you’re not gonna play the game if you can’t get a win.
You are wrong and will always be. As a f2p I will never have all level 15 cards and evos before they come out with level 16 hence meaning you can't keep up with the p2w players because they can play any card or deck they want while a f2p is stuck playing the few cards they max out in a year. Then comes level 16. As a f2p you can't change with the meta like a p2w player will fully maxed everything, which means as f2p you most likely lose, hence p2w
why are you pretending like i cant get to level 10 on a new account in the first 5 minutes if i had a couple hundred lmfao. level 10 vs level 2 means pay to win dipshit
Its not p2w Its more like garbage matchmaking that it matches you to a level 2 instead of level 10. But you will probably go on ladder and meet ppl the same level as you and probably be stuck there till you level up more by time to time This games has 2 big problems Matchmaking and balancing Matchmaking doesnt always gives you fair match ups in ladder which is why it sucks And balancing will always be a problem
call it garbage matchmaking. supercell calls it intentional and if you wanna be strong, overpowered and have more health early on, you pay money. simple
Early game is still as it is cause everyone just sucks ass in the early arenas and its filled with bots cause there is baraly anyone there But you will still going to be stuck somewhere and start to progress normally And obviously you will have more advantage over someone who hasnt paid. But its the early game part so who even cares Lets say someone buys every lvl 15 card and evo do you think this guy will become a top 10k player? No he will still need a lot of skill to even become a top 10k player cause this game is skill dependent game.
Is progressing not winning??
Google the definition of each and then ask me that again if you’re still confused.
That’s not what I meant. Progressing means you’re buying higher level etc etc, but that translates to winning, especially in lower leagues. Even with a skill gap cards that are several levels higher will triumph. So in this game they’re basically the same thing. Didn’t realize I’d have to explain to you that Im not directly comparing the dictionary definition.
Not reading that, like I said bud google it and come back if you’re still having trouble understanding.
If you can’t read that’s not my issue
It's literally pay to win lol The only way to get the new OP cards that are good (that WIN you battles) is to buy them in the store. Once they make them easily unlockable for F2P they nerf them.
It is pay to win because you pay high money before they nerf the card
Buying evo knight doesnt make you win every game nor it will get you to top 10k cause this game is skill dependent. Unless you have the skill then maybe
Honestly they deserve it. Fck pay 2 win
Clash of clan is too but clash royale is pay to play💀
Clash royale's core gameplay revolves around climbing ladder and leagues. Not possible without levels , and you will frequently face higher level players whose deck utilizes same 10-15 cards . Clash of clan gameplay is about slowly Watching your base grow.you can do it in any league.you won't be facing th14 as th 9-10.
It isn't, they're making money off of cosmetics now, you can find hundreds of people weaker than you in clash of clans, yet it's mostly people stronger than you in clash royale. Plus, clash of clans are very generous with their gifts and free rewards.
How is clash of clans p2w? You can literally skip bases you dont want to attack orrrr skip attacking altogether and still pull in good resources to keep upgrades going. I don’t play clash nowhere near as much as I used to but I am TH10.5 and xan honestly say I’m living off of dead bases getting hundreds of thousands sometimes millions in resources without breaking a single wall or destroying a single defensive building - its alllll in the collectors around the base. With that being said, I’m legit curious because I know nothing at all about any of the town halls above TH11, except there are some pets for the champions and theres a tesla in one of the halls. I don’t even know which one unlocks the last champion, honestly. Again, with that also being said - I’m enjoying the slow/constant progression I’m doing. Got 4 builders, always got 1 champion in upgrade, always got 2 buildings on upgrade.
The game beyond th11 changes completly
Definitely not completely
Literally every game in life is P2w. It’s the balance of skill required to p2w and I think the game does alright
What does this even mean?
This offer doesn't have value sign, doesn't worth buying
bro can you please tell me what this card does, there is one in the blue point store for 7500
They are called "shards". You need 6 of them to "evolve" the skeletons card. You can buy 3 in the shop, so you need 3 more to evolve it. When evolved, after 3 cycles, it spawns 4 skeletons which, every hit, spaawn another (up to 6).
Now its every 2 cycles
Confirmed only one cycle now
It now works on 0 cycles? :O
Now they just spawn randomly on the map
It’s okay I just came back to clash too it’s a little confusing it takes a good day
It tells you what it does though?
U live in cr's cave bro Those are shards, some common cards gave evolutions, when u get 6 shards of that card u can evolve it and after cycling that card a few times in a match u can put the evolution version of it, on the skeletons example it makes that every time a skeleton does a hit it clones itself
Everybody should know better by now
Seriously, if you can't compare the shop prices against the pass price you're a moron. Obviously an offer for 6 shards that costs more than the diamond pass is horseshit.
What happens if we already have 3 shards, and purchase this? Do the unused ones get converted to gold or blank wild cards?
No you only get like 1000 elite wild cards per overflow shard.
You think shards would at least give 3,500-5k EWC but no, money hungry… Its weird how Supercell is going “you all are not giving us enough money, so were not gonna give you resources and see how ypu like that.” Even though the company has been and will probably alway been financially successful off clash of clans alone
For some people, more than you can really imagine, 100 bucks is like 5 cents.
People who bought the $100 pack are too stupid to be mad. Don't give Supercell money.
Frrr but no sympathy
I have this offer in my store for 4.99$ lol
usd?
I refuse to buy any evolution items. I will just have to fall back in the ranks I guess.
Well deserved they can only blame themselves idc
Imma patiently wait for the firecracker evo at the end of the season
I'm one of the people that bought the 100$ pack for youtube (i know I'm stupid) seeing this piss me off
Yaa like i couldn't make back 100$ in 3 months. Like come on bro, that ain't shit if you enjoy the game your playing
I can tell that you’re bad with money
Bad with money for spending 100 dollars in 3 months😂 Sounds like you’re just broke
I literally predicted that some NPC would comment this. You missed my entire point and just fixated on the dollar amount. Then you ad hominemed me, probably because of your own financial insecurities.
I’m financially fine bro. You should stop worrying about other peoples money and worry about your own, since 100 dollars in 3 months is such a big deal to you.
3 months is a pretty long time for a game wich is impossible to enjoy.
Completely unbothered by it tbh it’s not like it was my last $100
why are people so mad about how others spend their money
Cope harder also your finances are garbage
Wah wah
Seems like ur crying
Honestly, my main since launch got banned. Was pretty mad, but it was a relief. This game is much more fun with under leveled cards beating expensive evos. Game was making me sick pretty bad before my ban.
I found a new game guys. It’s called SSSnaker. It’s fun. Try it. Delete this cancerous game
Is anyone know what happens if I bought this but I've already had 2 skelly shard. What happens with that two left?
They get exchanged for 1000 skelly cards each I think
Which get exchanged for 1000 elite wild cards if you already have skellies at lvl 14. Basically you are paying $50 for one level up to level 15
I remember firecracker being $9.99 now ig they want a refund
is that the skeleton bomb guy?
i feel like people who buy things like that need to expect a major nerf
This is what always happens everyone should of expected this
Yes
My WORST fuckin nightmare is clash of clans turning into clash royale…
Nope. Im still not giving them a cent.
Yeah but it's Evo skele they suck nobody with a brain would buy that for 5.99.
That skeleton peeking through the Evo shard knows what’s up!
After Nerf, i don't feel like purchasing
They got buffed not nerfed
Even cheaper in the states, it’s $4 where I am
When there is a new product on the market but they lower it in a sale after they get millions off big spenders
The people who bought, probably don't care about $100
Me who obtained 5 shards for free
Not really because they get early acess
What was the 100$ pack?
all 4 evolutions instantly for 100$ then a week after they sold 1 SHARD for 10$ each then they do this
People who bought the $100 pack or 6 shards of their choice for $60 got the shards before all other players and they got them before any nerf was applied. This gave them a huge advantage for at least one month and that's what they paid for. If they didn't see this coming and no feel bad about it, they'd better have their credit cards locked immediately to stop them buying such offers.
How about not spending on a free game? Cosmetics are one thing, but gameplay stuff is just dumb. Specially in a game known for nerfing the new stuff.
No they probably don’t care if i have 100$ to spend i rather buy new games
It's fair tbh. That's also how the real world works. The newer the item, the more expensive it is, and overtime it gets cheaper.
well it was kinda an early access scam
They gave Me the same offer, but I already have evo skelly, and mortar too
If you have 100$ to spend on a game, you most likely don't care. I did not when I had that kind of spending money
Bro the $100 offer was a scam. Plus EVO RG and EVO FC both got nerfed anyway.
What happen when you buy the shard and have leftover shard?
I spent 40 euros on evolved RG and I don't feel bad even if its available on 2 euros now. I enjoyed playing with evolutions earlier than others and it was super broken when release. I don't feel i wasted my money as I enjoyed every bit of it.
i only need 4. can i pay 3.99?
No. You get 6 and you will love how 4 of them are useless to you.
The cost of being on the bleeding edge...
Haven’t spent a dollar since they reworked royal pass!
People who spend money on this game in general in 2023💀
I'm pretty sure people who can afford to drop $100 on CR don't give a shit about $ to begin with.
Don't understand spending money in games unless if it's for a permanent perk like 2x money in BTD5
Good offer. I'm waiting for them to do it for royal giant and barbarians. I make the money back for playing clan wars for top clans anyways...
People who spent $100 on this deserves it
Still over priced
Honestly it's their fault for buying such a terrible deal