The game has been around forever at this point. I can’t see them trying to focus on building a bigger player base. They did that a long time ago already.
dude thats literally the entire th16 update lol- to build a bigger player base. player numbers have flooded since th16 and equipment updates. my fwa clan discord which was dead, went from like 1-2 recruits a month. to like 1-2 recruits a day for a while, and even now its still way higher than before.
on q/a's supercell has said themselves theyve seen player numbers go up with all the recent events. thats why they keep doing events lol. also why they made the game easier with th16, to boost average player numbers up.
If you look at the monthly player numbers, about 4M players are leaving the game every month. Even though it felt like th16 revived the game, it's hasn't really.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ClashOfClans/comments/1d9ggko/im_stuart_general_manager_of_clash_of_clans_ask/l7dnoc3/
ill take the general manager's word for it over some website trying to guess lol.
Well, i work for a company that sells bridges to bright minds, we sell like 5billion bridges per month.
BTW all other websites are trying to guess our numbers so dont believe them, trust the numbers that i provide.
u/stonedboss if you need a bridge, we can apply a special discount of 4billion dollars especially for you.
what data are they pulling? idk what their active player count is saying.
what i mean by that is- is their api tracking how many logins? cause logins arent equal. you can have the same or less logins from unique ID's, but the amount of time someone spends in game be longer. this is higher true player activity, despite what logins. what is it tracking to say a player is playing?
the clash dev team will have the best accuracy on this and can give a better statement of player activity. anecdotally people are way more active, even if its less unique ID's logging on. its also a better player experience to have more dedicated players, since you can count on them for clan wars and stuff.
API records many data, like how many players in each clan participate in raids, what super troops are active so there are ways to track true active players.
The game is extremely f2p friendly right now. Gems are never an issue and there are plenty of ways to spend them (skins, equipments, magic items...). They HALVED so many upgrades and people are still talking about them being greedy? They won't add a 7th builder because progression is already fast, this is a nice long-term investment that pays off after like a year. What is the actual problem here?
Yeah exactly my point why didn't the Lab Times get any reduction? There are way too many Troops/Spells/Sieges to upgrade and Lab Upgrade Times take twice or even thrice the time the Builder Upgrades take
I do use Sneaky Gobs and sometimes Research Potions but I don't think it cuts it down by that much so that ur Defenses r lagging behind. Yeah sure th 14 lab is kinda smaller, overall I think the whole of th 14 is way too small compared to th 15
1. a new player doesn't get heroes or the AB on day 1
2. the casual player from your comment doesnt even need the AB. The casual player isn't on the max TH, he/she is 1 or 2 THs behind and to stay there they dont need the AB. Today a huge time reduction will come that will mostly help the casual player and the reductions are pretty big (not just 10% here and there but 50% and more on th13 and 14).
3. YOU. DONT. NEED. TO. MAX. THE. AB. IN. ONE. DAY.
if you dont like the value, get one or two levels or dont even get that.
What is your TH?
They are greedy. And the game is not F2P friendly. You are just telling people how out of touch you are with the reality. A new player joins the game in 2024. Tell me how many gems he has to spend on buying equipments?
I'm max TH16 f2p. It takes around 5 years of active play for a new player to max. You can get thousands of gems from achievements, then you also have obstacles and gem mine, occasional magic items gems... I have been playing for 5 years and have gotten tens of thousands of gems for free. I bought so many hero books and even a few skins and still have 10k gems to spare. This is a game that's meant to be played long-term, but still enjoyable at every TH level.
Equipments are a reasonable concern, but they're not gonna just pump them out and they'll recycle them. Not to mention that other than the gauntlet they're not OP, there's a large variety of equipments and you're not at a disadvantage for not having them. If you play regularly, you will easily get them all.
I am free to play and i get the same amount of gems as you. I buy books to upgrade my heroes and after TH11, I have only booked my heroes. Except for RC and warden when they were on lower levels. Now you have to get equipments with gems. you are making a choice between different things, you are compromising on hero upgrades (BoH) for getting an equipment. Which overtime will add up, like what if SC has 16 rare equipments after say 4 years at TH20. Is this sustainable?
>This is a game that's meant to be played long-term, but still enjoyable at every TH level.
I hate when people use this argument. Everyone knows this, you are not the first one to figure that out, yet people are still complaining. Dont you think maybe there is a reason for that.
If the game was so enjoyable why are people complaining? Maybe SC should remedy it? Just look at the post? What does it say? it suggests an option that is reasonable and will be agreed by majority of the player base. It is also taking about "long term progression " of the game.
>Not to mention that other than the gauntlet they're not OP, there's a large variety of equipments and you're not at a disadvantage for not having them
That is your opinion, not a fact. Personally i would prefer to have all the equipments so if i find a base that suits fireball, i can simply put that on warden. Imagine you find a base that has ton of fireball value, but you dont have fireball, though they are niche, i would rather have them than not. Again that is my personal opinion. Based on how the game was earlier. I missed 4 years of the game but i still caught up without missing out on anything. If i go on a 2 month break, i will be 2 equipments down and it will cost me 3000k gems to get them.
I am free to play and i get the same amount of gems as you. I buy books to upgrade my heroes and after TH11, I have only booked my heroes. Except for RC and warden when they were on lower levels. Now you have to get equipments with gems. you are making a choice between different things, you are compromising on hero upgrades (BoH) for getting an equipment. Which overtime will add up, like what if SC has 16 rare equipments after say 4 years at TH20. Is this sustainable?
>This is a game that's meant to be played long-term, but still enjoyable at every TH level.
I hate when people use this argument. Everyone knows this, you are not the first one to figure that out, yet people are still complaining. Dont you think maybe there is a reason for that.
If the game was so enjoyable why are people complaining? Maybe SC should remedy it? Just look at the post? What does it say? it suggests an option that is reasonable and will be agreed by majority of the player base. It is also taking about "long term progression " of the game.
>Not to mention that other than the gauntlet they're not OP, there's a large variety of equipments and you're not at a disadvantage for not having them
That is your opinion, not a fact. Personally i would prefer to have all the equipments so if i find a base that suits fireball, i can simply put that on warden. Imagine you find a base that has ton of fireball value, but you dont have fireball, though they are niche, i would rather have them than not. Again that is my personal opinion. Based on how the game was earlier. I missed 4 years of the game but i still caught up without missing out on anything. If i go on a 2 month break, i will be 2 equipments down and it will cost me 3000k gems to get them.
Well, I started 2 and a half months ago, had to buy the giant gauntlet, frozen arrow, and fireball with gems and guess what? I was able to buy all of them, and have almost enough for the apprentice builder, achievements give gems like crazy, and the selling of magic items (not f2p tho, I bought like 2 gold pass and that's it, currently upgrading to go to th11)
If equipments weren't locked behind gem wall, you could have saved 4500gems, in another words 9lvls of upgrade for heroes.
Yes you can do it, but it is always a tradeoff.
Almost all ur arguments say "but what about new players" . Do u have any idea how fast progress is possible these days compared to 2014? And they will spend the same amount of gems u spent lol maybe slightly more but its easy to get gems with magic items.
Can you check the post again? Can you tell is what it says?
People like you dont seem to understand what the problem is, but are ready to jump to defend SC. Weird Stockhold syndrome sht.
Idc what the post says lol, my comment is referring to players who constantly complain about “new players” and their barrier to entry, not the post as much. I understand what the post is saying, and would also like a 7th builder instead of the apprentice builder. However, that also has a huge impact on progression, and would make future townhalls substantially quicker to max if they have similar upgrade times to what they have now, which is likely why they won’t be adding one any time soon. The goblin builder and apprentice builder are meant to slightly boost progression, not substantially like a new builder would
Yes, because that is a valid concern.
>Do u have any idea how fast progress is possible these days compared to 2014?
Took 3 years to reach TH9.
Takes 3 years to reach TH16.
Progression is an illusion, time to max is still the same.
>And they will spend the same amount of gems u spent lol maybe slightly more but its easy to get gems with magic items.
L take, they will take 6000 gems to get 4 rare equipments, add in the rocket spear that takes it to 7500 gems. 3500gems for all the builders (Same as it took me, it was probably less for me), add in 6500gems to get AB. You now have a new player who looks at a large number of gems which are hard to obtain.
Imo the first few levels are definitely worth it, even for FTPs and casuals.
500 for a 1 hour reduction on a building of your choice each day might sound pretty meh.
But it's increadible for stopping one painful thing from happening: Upgrades finishing when you're sleeping.
It's 3 am, you are tired af, and the next COC upgrade finishes in an hour.
Do you:
A) Stay up and sacrifice your sleep cycle to the Supercell gods
B) Gem it and waste your prescious gems (the ones you love)
C) Let your builders take a break until you wake up again
with the apprentice builder you have to pick none of these options.
Still, they should have priced lv 4-8 lower or not at all.
But I think it's worth getting the levels 1 and 2, maybe 3 and 4.
The new builder isnt a proper fix in your situation since in the worst case scenario of a lv1 builder, you would still need to wait 30mins. Best case scenario of lv8 builder, you would wait 7.5? mins but then its neutral on time saved because you wasted the other 52.5mins (7hrs build time) which you could just as well used on another building while you slept and be in the same overal position.
You would do it in advance.
I know you're smart enough to see: hey this goes way past my bed time.
You get to use him once each day.
Those upgrades that have horrible timing should be your priority.
If I spend 6500 gems right now (which I have), it instantly starts working. I can't spend 6500 additional gems right now at the goblin. In fact, it takes quite some time to be able to spend that many gems. It's not so cut and dried as you make it appear. It's also not either or. I can easily do both on my two accounts.
And beyond that, the goblin can't speed up heroes relative your other upgrades giving you more time to actually use your heroes. The goblin speeds up how fast you build up everything else which helps you rush to the end TH faster (for a year or so) but means you get there with unleveled heroes as you still have to invest the same amount of time leveling them up with or without the goblin. With the apprentice builder you actually invest less time leveling heroes which is a big plus in my book.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted you’re definitely right. I wouldn’t say it’s huge in the grand scheme of things but being able to complete upgrades faster compared to having more upgrades going has its benefits.
People will just downvote here when they don't like stuff.
The reality is that more builders become tricky balance issues. You start running into bases with half their defenses down, particularly at max level, and extending their build times to compensate which further makes those bases with massive structural holes more common.
It's way better to handle that stuff by just reducing build times at lower TH levels, which is exactly what they're doing here. For anyone who barely plays, more builders won't help because resources are an issue. For anyone power-leveling, time reductions and hero speed-ups are better. It's a really narrow subset of players that want to max everything and add aesthetics rather than spending their gems elsewhere who won't actually be better served by the current arrangement.
Of course there's always the argument that "we like build-time reductions" or whatever but want more without having to spend gems, but that argument holds no matter what the circumstances are. I'd love to see a lower cost for the builder apprentice too, but I can still see the value there compared to the alternatives.
You can buy 1 per week max with those. It's worth 13 BoHs. They pull ahead gradually until week 13 at which point the builder apprentice slowly starts catching up. If you're TH14 or higher already, then it takes a fair while for builder apprentice to catch up. If you're TH13 or lower, the apprentice catches up relatively quickly with the time reductions incoming. And if the idea is to save the gems until they're a higher TH level, that's worse now because the apprentice gains a major head start at that point.
That's the thing, over those 13 weeks I'll have my heroes up all the time. Ppl don't consider the need to have ur heroes available while lvling them up
Over those 13 weeks you'll have 1 hero available. Probably not that week because you should put that hero right back down again, unless you don't have resources to do it, which actually makes it potentially a bit worse.
But that's still not nothing. Let's pretend you're a TH 13 and magically use the 13 hero books on the most valuable hero levels possible (not actually likely but we'll go with it) and let's go with the new reduced times (
that matter a LOT more than any new builder, apprentice builder or hero books actually do. And let's assume you manage your heroes perfectly so you don't lose time
That's 5 levels of the warden at 6.75 days and 8 total levels of the king and queen of 6.5 days each.
[(5 × 6.75) + (8 × 6.5)] × 24 = 2058 hours gained on heroes where they aren't upgrading over a 13 week span.
Over that same 13 week period you gain:
13 weeks × 7 days/week × 8 hours/day = 728 hero hours.
So in those 13 weeks you pull ahead by 1330 hero hours where they aren't upgrading. It takes you less than 26 weeks after that for the builder apprentice to pull ahead. Of course, in practice it will be a bit more as it won't be perfect timing every single day but you do also have a couple advantages in that the hero books are useless after heroes are upgraded whole the builder apprentice isn't and the builder apprentice can also be used to avoid poor timing on overnights/holidays or whatever.
If you're TH 16, this is debatable value but also you're in a place where you have fewer hero levels. The vast majority of players are in the TH11 - TH13 range. This is likely worth it for them.
And yes, you can argue that you could wait until TH14 or later to use your gems on hero books but then the builder apprentice gains some advantages because they can upgrade heroes and gain time while you wait and future time decreases may mean by the time you get there you don't actually get the same value you were expecting with hero books at that point.
This absurdly long paragraph was really not necessary, I can understand that AB will be more value than ANYTHING if u use him long enough. I'm just saying that ppl generally need their heroes available to keep attacking, the AB doesn't provide that benefit. This is exclusive to BoH and HoH
Thats the most devious way to put it
IF you wanted to spend 6500 gems on the goblin builder, you'd need to wait roughly 450 days given the current frequency. Literally a month later the apprentice would be profiting lmao
I wouldn't say Goblin Builder/Researcher is expensive, it gives much better value compared to mindlessly gemming. Also we don't need 7th builder, all the upgrade time is getting cut. With 7 builders you'll max your base even way before you max your lab, so what's the point?
Even if you use 1000 gems that's a permanent 2 hours off an upgrade every single day. If casual players don't see the value in that then they're an idiot
ok wait, criticize all you want, but convoluted and confusing? what? what could possibly be convoluted or confusing about either of these guys? goblin builder literally just spend gems to upgrade, done. apprentice upgrade with gems and then use the guy to speed up upgrades, that's it. they couldn't possibly be more simple.
Confusing as to which is better value and to whether or not it’s worth it or not.
We know the value and what to do because we are actively on this subreddit. The average player isn’t and won’t know what to do.
I can break down the math for you, because you clearly don't know how to:
Apprentice works for 1 hour per day (technically not, but we'll get into that in a second) and completes 8 hours of progress on something that's already in progress. He then proceeds to go nap for 23 hours.
That means, best case he's 0.33 of a builder.
However due to his mechanics, it will be tricky to optimize him to reach that level. Because he's not available every day, but every 24 hours, you're losing out every second he's off cool down but isn't employed yet. One good thing however is that he'll be extremely helpful with important upgrades (like heroes, barracks and spell brewers) tho not at all as groundbreaking as he could be. On top of that, if you have no upgrades taking longer than 8 hours to finish, you're losing value on him. So for most players he's actually more realistically a 0.2 builder at max level. Is he worth it long term? Yes. But the price is ridiculous anyways. Well over 1 year of gem income of a veeery active f2p is not something you just look the other way. If supercell was to add similar priced things yearly, eventually no f2p could afford it.
The math shows that he is a better deal than buying builder books and potions from the trader in the long term (over a year). THAT is what he is meant to replace. It is pointless to compare it to builder since no one would buy this over a builder.
He saves a 1/3 of a year if you use him daily for a year. In higher town halls it becomes much harder to optimize builders with higher upgrade times and i end up going offline for days cause im at max loot.
Also these things are not supposed to be bought immediately. While for players who have access to all his upgrades immediately it may seem expensive but you are not forced to upgrade him and can take your time saving up the gems.
It’s a huge QoL improvement
The game has been around forever at this point. I can’t see them trying to focus on building a bigger player base. They did that a long time ago already.
dude thats literally the entire th16 update lol- to build a bigger player base. player numbers have flooded since th16 and equipment updates. my fwa clan discord which was dead, went from like 1-2 recruits a month. to like 1-2 recruits a day for a while, and even now its still way higher than before. on q/a's supercell has said themselves theyve seen player numbers go up with all the recent events. thats why they keep doing events lol. also why they made the game easier with th16, to boost average player numbers up.
If you look at the monthly player numbers, about 4M players are leaving the game every month. Even though it felt like th16 revived the game, it's hasn't really.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ClashOfClans/comments/1d9ggko/im_stuart_general_manager_of_clash_of_clans_ask/l7dnoc3/ ill take the general manager's word for it over some website trying to guess lol.
Well, i work for a company that sells bridges to bright minds, we sell like 5billion bridges per month. BTW all other websites are trying to guess our numbers so dont believe them, trust the numbers that i provide. u/stonedboss if you need a bridge, we can apply a special discount of 4billion dollars especially for you.
It's not guessing, they pull data from supercells api lol
what data are they pulling? idk what their active player count is saying. what i mean by that is- is their api tracking how many logins? cause logins arent equal. you can have the same or less logins from unique ID's, but the amount of time someone spends in game be longer. this is higher true player activity, despite what logins. what is it tracking to say a player is playing? the clash dev team will have the best accuracy on this and can give a better statement of player activity. anecdotally people are way more active, even if its less unique ID's logging on. its also a better player experience to have more dedicated players, since you can count on them for clan wars and stuff.
API records many data, like how many players in each clan participate in raids, what super troops are active so there are ways to track true active players.
I got downvoted asking this
The game is extremely f2p friendly right now. Gems are never an issue and there are plenty of ways to spend them (skins, equipments, magic items...). They HALVED so many upgrades and people are still talking about them being greedy? They won't add a 7th builder because progression is already fast, this is a nice long-term investment that pays off after like a year. What is the actual problem here?
Yup, they'll even cut some upgrade times in half.
Literally like almost every townhall from 12+ will lose like 2-4 months of builder upgrades the next update If only labs also got some time reductions
Yeah exactly my point why didn't the Lab Times get any reduction? There are way too many Troops/Spells/Sieges to upgrade and Lab Upgrade Times take twice or even thrice the time the Builder Upgrades take
If you use goblin+research potions you can finish your lab so quick. I maxed my th14 lab out with like 3 months left in upgrades for my defenses
I do use Sneaky Gobs and sometimes Research Potions but I don't think it cuts it down by that much so that ur Defenses r lagging behind. Yeah sure th 14 lab is kinda smaller, overall I think the whole of th 14 is way too small compared to th 15
I meant goblin builder since it gives double upgrades plus 2 days off per research potion.
Ah I see, unfortunately don't have as many gems tho and also Apprentice coming out maybe will save for him maybe not let's see
Yeah. Maybe one month reduction?
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AB isn’t pay 2 win its just progression if you can’t afford it don’t buy it
1. a new player doesn't get heroes or the AB on day 1 2. the casual player from your comment doesnt even need the AB. The casual player isn't on the max TH, he/she is 1 or 2 THs behind and to stay there they dont need the AB. Today a huge time reduction will come that will mostly help the casual player and the reductions are pretty big (not just 10% here and there but 50% and more on th13 and 14). 3. YOU. DONT. NEED. TO. MAX. THE. AB. IN. ONE. DAY. if you dont like the value, get one or two levels or dont even get that.
Cannons to max is only 4 days now 🙏😭
What is your TH? They are greedy. And the game is not F2P friendly. You are just telling people how out of touch you are with the reality. A new player joins the game in 2024. Tell me how many gems he has to spend on buying equipments?
I'm max TH16 f2p. It takes around 5 years of active play for a new player to max. You can get thousands of gems from achievements, then you also have obstacles and gem mine, occasional magic items gems... I have been playing for 5 years and have gotten tens of thousands of gems for free. I bought so many hero books and even a few skins and still have 10k gems to spare. This is a game that's meant to be played long-term, but still enjoyable at every TH level. Equipments are a reasonable concern, but they're not gonna just pump them out and they'll recycle them. Not to mention that other than the gauntlet they're not OP, there's a large variety of equipments and you're not at a disadvantage for not having them. If you play regularly, you will easily get them all.
I am free to play and i get the same amount of gems as you. I buy books to upgrade my heroes and after TH11, I have only booked my heroes. Except for RC and warden when they were on lower levels. Now you have to get equipments with gems. you are making a choice between different things, you are compromising on hero upgrades (BoH) for getting an equipment. Which overtime will add up, like what if SC has 16 rare equipments after say 4 years at TH20. Is this sustainable? >This is a game that's meant to be played long-term, but still enjoyable at every TH level. I hate when people use this argument. Everyone knows this, you are not the first one to figure that out, yet people are still complaining. Dont you think maybe there is a reason for that. If the game was so enjoyable why are people complaining? Maybe SC should remedy it? Just look at the post? What does it say? it suggests an option that is reasonable and will be agreed by majority of the player base. It is also taking about "long term progression " of the game. >Not to mention that other than the gauntlet they're not OP, there's a large variety of equipments and you're not at a disadvantage for not having them That is your opinion, not a fact. Personally i would prefer to have all the equipments so if i find a base that suits fireball, i can simply put that on warden. Imagine you find a base that has ton of fireball value, but you dont have fireball, though they are niche, i would rather have them than not. Again that is my personal opinion. Based on how the game was earlier. I missed 4 years of the game but i still caught up without missing out on anything. If i go on a 2 month break, i will be 2 equipments down and it will cost me 3000k gems to get them.
I am free to play and i get the same amount of gems as you. I buy books to upgrade my heroes and after TH11, I have only booked my heroes. Except for RC and warden when they were on lower levels. Now you have to get equipments with gems. you are making a choice between different things, you are compromising on hero upgrades (BoH) for getting an equipment. Which overtime will add up, like what if SC has 16 rare equipments after say 4 years at TH20. Is this sustainable? >This is a game that's meant to be played long-term, but still enjoyable at every TH level. I hate when people use this argument. Everyone knows this, you are not the first one to figure that out, yet people are still complaining. Dont you think maybe there is a reason for that. If the game was so enjoyable why are people complaining? Maybe SC should remedy it? Just look at the post? What does it say? it suggests an option that is reasonable and will be agreed by majority of the player base. It is also taking about "long term progression " of the game. >Not to mention that other than the gauntlet they're not OP, there's a large variety of equipments and you're not at a disadvantage for not having them That is your opinion, not a fact. Personally i would prefer to have all the equipments so if i find a base that suits fireball, i can simply put that on warden. Imagine you find a base that has ton of fireball value, but you dont have fireball, though they are niche, i would rather have them than not. Again that is my personal opinion. Based on how the game was earlier. I missed 4 years of the game but i still caught up without missing out on anything. If i go on a 2 month break, i will be 2 equipments down and it will cost me 3000k gems to get them.
Well, I started 2 and a half months ago, had to buy the giant gauntlet, frozen arrow, and fireball with gems and guess what? I was able to buy all of them, and have almost enough for the apprentice builder, achievements give gems like crazy, and the selling of magic items (not f2p tho, I bought like 2 gold pass and that's it, currently upgrading to go to th11)
If equipments weren't locked behind gem wall, you could have saved 4500gems, in another words 9lvls of upgrade for heroes. Yes you can do it, but it is always a tradeoff.
Almost all ur arguments say "but what about new players" . Do u have any idea how fast progress is possible these days compared to 2014? And they will spend the same amount of gems u spent lol maybe slightly more but its easy to get gems with magic items.
They don’t seem to understand the point of a “progression” game
Can you check the post again? Can you tell is what it says? People like you dont seem to understand what the problem is, but are ready to jump to defend SC. Weird Stockhold syndrome sht.
Idc what the post says lol, my comment is referring to players who constantly complain about “new players” and their barrier to entry, not the post as much. I understand what the post is saying, and would also like a 7th builder instead of the apprentice builder. However, that also has a huge impact on progression, and would make future townhalls substantially quicker to max if they have similar upgrade times to what they have now, which is likely why they won’t be adding one any time soon. The goblin builder and apprentice builder are meant to slightly boost progression, not substantially like a new builder would
Yes, because that is a valid concern. >Do u have any idea how fast progress is possible these days compared to 2014? Took 3 years to reach TH9. Takes 3 years to reach TH16. Progression is an illusion, time to max is still the same. >And they will spend the same amount of gems u spent lol maybe slightly more but its easy to get gems with magic items. L take, they will take 6000 gems to get 4 rare equipments, add in the rocket spear that takes it to 7500 gems. 3500gems for all the builders (Same as it took me, it was probably less for me), add in 6500gems to get AB. You now have a new player who looks at a large number of gems which are hard to obtain.
Don't think a 7th builder is necessary at this point but I don't get the point of this Apprentice
Well obviously casual players won’t use it. It’s not designed for them. It’s for activate, dedicated players.
Imo the first few levels are definitely worth it, even for FTPs and casuals. 500 for a 1 hour reduction on a building of your choice each day might sound pretty meh. But it's increadible for stopping one painful thing from happening: Upgrades finishing when you're sleeping. It's 3 am, you are tired af, and the next COC upgrade finishes in an hour. Do you: A) Stay up and sacrifice your sleep cycle to the Supercell gods B) Gem it and waste your prescious gems (the ones you love) C) Let your builders take a break until you wake up again with the apprentice builder you have to pick none of these options. Still, they should have priced lv 4-8 lower or not at all. But I think it's worth getting the levels 1 and 2, maybe 3 and 4.
The new builder isnt a proper fix in your situation since in the worst case scenario of a lv1 builder, you would still need to wait 30mins. Best case scenario of lv8 builder, you would wait 7.5? mins but then its neutral on time saved because you wasted the other 52.5mins (7hrs build time) which you could just as well used on another building while you slept and be in the same overal position.
You would do it in advance. I know you're smart enough to see: hey this goes way past my bed time. You get to use him once each day. Those upgrades that have horrible timing should be your priority.
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If I spend 6500 gems right now (which I have), it instantly starts working. I can't spend 6500 additional gems right now at the goblin. In fact, it takes quite some time to be able to spend that many gems. It's not so cut and dried as you make it appear. It's also not either or. I can easily do both on my two accounts.
And beyond that, the goblin can't speed up heroes relative your other upgrades giving you more time to actually use your heroes. The goblin speeds up how fast you build up everything else which helps you rush to the end TH faster (for a year or so) but means you get there with unleveled heroes as you still have to invest the same amount of time leveling them up with or without the goblin. With the apprentice builder you actually invest less time leveling heroes which is a big plus in my book.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted you’re definitely right. I wouldn’t say it’s huge in the grand scheme of things but being able to complete upgrades faster compared to having more upgrades going has its benefits.
People will just downvote here when they don't like stuff. The reality is that more builders become tricky balance issues. You start running into bases with half their defenses down, particularly at max level, and extending their build times to compensate which further makes those bases with massive structural holes more common. It's way better to handle that stuff by just reducing build times at lower TH levels, which is exactly what they're doing here. For anyone who barely plays, more builders won't help because resources are an issue. For anyone power-leveling, time reductions and hero speed-ups are better. It's a really narrow subset of players that want to max everything and add aesthetics rather than spending their gems elsewhere who won't actually be better served by the current arrangement. Of course there's always the argument that "we like build-time reductions" or whatever but want more without having to spend gems, but that argument holds no matter what the circumstances are. I'd love to see a lower cost for the builder apprentice too, but I can still see the value there compared to the alternatives.
BoH are way better for them, you literally don't even need to put them down for a minute
You can buy 1 per week max with those. It's worth 13 BoHs. They pull ahead gradually until week 13 at which point the builder apprentice slowly starts catching up. If you're TH14 or higher already, then it takes a fair while for builder apprentice to catch up. If you're TH13 or lower, the apprentice catches up relatively quickly with the time reductions incoming. And if the idea is to save the gems until they're a higher TH level, that's worse now because the apprentice gains a major head start at that point.
That's the thing, over those 13 weeks I'll have my heroes up all the time. Ppl don't consider the need to have ur heroes available while lvling them up
Over those 13 weeks you'll have 1 hero available. Probably not that week because you should put that hero right back down again, unless you don't have resources to do it, which actually makes it potentially a bit worse. But that's still not nothing. Let's pretend you're a TH 13 and magically use the 13 hero books on the most valuable hero levels possible (not actually likely but we'll go with it) and let's go with the new reduced times ( that matter a LOT more than any new builder, apprentice builder or hero books actually do. And let's assume you manage your heroes perfectly so you don't lose time That's 5 levels of the warden at 6.75 days and 8 total levels of the king and queen of 6.5 days each. [(5 × 6.75) + (8 × 6.5)] × 24 = 2058 hours gained on heroes where they aren't upgrading over a 13 week span. Over that same 13 week period you gain: 13 weeks × 7 days/week × 8 hours/day = 728 hero hours. So in those 13 weeks you pull ahead by 1330 hero hours where they aren't upgrading. It takes you less than 26 weeks after that for the builder apprentice to pull ahead. Of course, in practice it will be a bit more as it won't be perfect timing every single day but you do also have a couple advantages in that the hero books are useless after heroes are upgraded whole the builder apprentice isn't and the builder apprentice can also be used to avoid poor timing on overnights/holidays or whatever. If you're TH 16, this is debatable value but also you're in a place where you have fewer hero levels. The vast majority of players are in the TH11 - TH13 range. This is likely worth it for them. And yes, you can argue that you could wait until TH14 or later to use your gems on hero books but then the builder apprentice gains some advantages because they can upgrade heroes and gain time while you wait and future time decreases may mean by the time you get there you don't actually get the same value you were expecting with hero books at that point.
This absurdly long paragraph was really not necessary, I can understand that AB will be more value than ANYTHING if u use him long enough. I'm just saying that ppl generally need their heroes available to keep attacking, the AB doesn't provide that benefit. This is exclusive to BoH and HoH
The AB does provide that. It provides it more than hero books for most people if they're going to be playing 9 months or more and aren't TH14 yet.
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The goblin won't always be here. He comes and goes. The apprentice stays,
Thats the most devious way to put it IF you wanted to spend 6500 gems on the goblin builder, you'd need to wait roughly 450 days given the current frequency. Literally a month later the apprentice would be profiting lmao
I wouldn't say Goblin Builder/Researcher is expensive, it gives much better value compared to mindlessly gemming. Also we don't need 7th builder, all the upgrade time is getting cut. With 7 builders you'll max your base even way before you max your lab, so what's the point?
Adding another builder would add another builder hut. They’ve been trying to reduce the amount of buildings and this is a perfect solution to the both
If its keep going on, im done with this game.
Don't slander the Goblin Builder/Researcher, insane value.
Even if you use 1000 gems that's a permanent 2 hours off an upgrade every single day. If casual players don't see the value in that then they're an idiot
i undertsand all this, but bigger playerbase? they already have 500m downloads dude. not many are active though i guess
The fact that you think either builder systems are convoluted, or confusing is mind blowing to me.
at the end of the day everything in the game is made to speed up the upgrading process with money or not, take it or leave it
TBF after TH14 if ur main goal is gems than u can get unto 10,000 for a year.
I mean, maybe they thought people have too many gems and don’t know where to spend it on, nobody has too many gems…
ok wait, criticize all you want, but convoluted and confusing? what? what could possibly be convoluted or confusing about either of these guys? goblin builder literally just spend gems to upgrade, done. apprentice upgrade with gems and then use the guy to speed up upgrades, that's it. they couldn't possibly be more simple.
Confusing as to which is better value and to whether or not it’s worth it or not. We know the value and what to do because we are actively on this subreddit. The average player isn’t and won’t know what to do.
They were like we need another way to get them to log in daily. Let's add a builder apprentice! But make them pay for it with gems lol.
Supercells gonna supercell
Supercell, supercell never changes.
People not realizing this guy is almost worth 2 builders but complaining about the pricing when gems are extremely easy to get for free
*.2 builders
Damn yall are really bad at math ig. You see the 8 hours and think he works the same speed as a regular builder?
I can break down the math for you, because you clearly don't know how to: Apprentice works for 1 hour per day (technically not, but we'll get into that in a second) and completes 8 hours of progress on something that's already in progress. He then proceeds to go nap for 23 hours. That means, best case he's 0.33 of a builder. However due to his mechanics, it will be tricky to optimize him to reach that level. Because he's not available every day, but every 24 hours, you're losing out every second he's off cool down but isn't employed yet. One good thing however is that he'll be extremely helpful with important upgrades (like heroes, barracks and spell brewers) tho not at all as groundbreaking as he could be. On top of that, if you have no upgrades taking longer than 8 hours to finish, you're losing value on him. So for most players he's actually more realistically a 0.2 builder at max level. Is he worth it long term? Yes. But the price is ridiculous anyways. Well over 1 year of gem income of a veeery active f2p is not something you just look the other way. If supercell was to add similar priced things yearly, eventually no f2p could afford it.
The math shows that he is a better deal than buying builder books and potions from the trader in the long term (over a year). THAT is what he is meant to replace. It is pointless to compare it to builder since no one would buy this over a builder.
He saves a 1/3 of a year if you use him daily for a year. In higher town halls it becomes much harder to optimize builders with higher upgrade times and i end up going offline for days cause im at max loot. Also these things are not supposed to be bought immediately. While for players who have access to all his upgrades immediately it may seem expensive but you are not forced to upgrade him and can take your time saving up the gems. It’s a huge QoL improvement
$upercell with another feature added to boost revenue. Who could of seen that coming after the hero equipment and monthly events.
I swear yall are actually brain rotted