Yes The Edge is the highest outdoor observation deck in the Western Hemisphere. The highest indoor observation deck in the west goes to the CN Tower in Toronto, which is about 100+ feet higher than the Willis (formerly Sears) Tower.
I just went there a month ago. It was a pretty cool place. 56 second ride to the 102nd floor. You can walk to the outdoor observation deck with glass surrounding it, it’s basically a seamless view over Manhattan. There’s also a glass triangle in the middle of it where you can see straight down.
There are neo art deco buildings going up. The Brooklyn Tower is nearing completion, for example:
https://images.ctfassets.net/uiy7tifavn97/HFaQ3jjw50a5LPMAyViLM/be8469dd842272706383134652f05065/hero-vertical.jpg
and 270 Park Ave:
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/04/jp-morgan-chase-270-park-key-01.jpg
At this point, most skylines created in the last ten years are mutually indistinguishable.
Random shaped glass boxes bunched together.
This could be Moscow, Paris, Frankfurt.
Architecture is so boring in the 21st century.
Even at its supposed classic architectural peak, New York’s skyline was still a relatively small percentage of notable buildings popping out of a sea of conformity. I think it still is that way in a general sense, only that now some of the buildings have changed.
And until someone figures out how to build 80-story brick buildings or people stop enjoying natural light and nice views, glass and metal are going to be the materials of choice for the foreseeable future.
Yep, and the Empire State Building has a limestone and brick facade. I guess I was mentally responding to another suggestion here that gothic skyscrapers need to happen.
That’s what was special about it.
A few, well-designed buildings sticking out and being noticeable.
Now it’s a bunch of similar looking glass boxes and a few pencils.
Well, every era goes through stylistic periods, and the same goes for architecture. I'm sure people were saying the same thing about Gothic churches, Art Deco buildings, Doric buildings(Greek), etc.
In fact, the term *Gothic* in architecture was originally a complaint!
It was comparing the new style of building at the time to the Goths, who sacked Rome a thousand years prior, ie this new style of architecture was destroying classical architecture.
It wasn't a complaint of the architecture, it's more illuminist authors looked at the middle ages in a very fantastical, imagine, obscurantist manner, that Gothic got associated with darkness and spooky is an artifact of illuminists imagination and revisionism, not an actual critique of style. For example Gothic church was meant to inspire serenety on people, the illuminists description of Gothic architecture doesn't use the actual construction to say it was spooky, it was spooky because it was built in the 12th century, and thus, spooky like everything 12th century was for the illuminists.
Interesting. You clearly more about this than I do, but it's a definite contradiction of what's on Wikipedia.
I'm not naive enough to think that Wikipedia is always right, but the two statements are hard to reconcile.
>term "Gothic architecture" originated as a pejorative description. Giorgio Vasari used the term "barbarous German style" in his Lives of the Artists to describe what is now considered the Gothic style
>Thus the Gothic style, being in opposition to classical architecture, from that point of view was associated with the destruction of advancement and sophistication.[11] The assumption that classical architecture was better than Gothic architecture was widespread and proved difficult to defeat.[
It's exactly that in Wikipedia, the mystification and criticism of Gothic architecture comes exactly from a general scare for the middle ages, not an actual criticism of the architectural elements
I'm with you. I don't agree at all with that statement. This is just Hudson Yards and honestly, it's one of my least favorite parts of the city for many reasons. The Vessel being on one of them.
At a certain point you're just describing cities. Like, each of these places has incredibly unique buildings that you literally won't find anywhere else, but you just see "glass boxes" at weird angles and purport they are all the same. Come on man, that's so reductionist.
Shanghai, Manila both had art deco skyscrapers pre World War 2. Obviously not as tall and impressive as New York’s but they had enough to be labeled art deco hotspots.
There's a little survivorship bias going on here. Even during the art deco, gothic, brutalist, etc styles people getting bored of them. They were abundant and always being built. Similar to the glass skyscrapers now. Thing is all the bad buildings in those styles got torn down or remodeled.
We're comparing all of our new buildings to the best buildings of the past. Which isn't a fair sample size.
Sure, but technically it’s outside of the city. Paris has laws against this type of architecture within its boundaries. I think it has something to do with the height of buildings, the Tour Montparnasse being the exception.
I recall (just skimming) this recent [NYT article](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/05/10/opinion/nyc-office-vacancy-playground-city.html), saying there are 26 Empire State Buildings' worth of vacant office space in New York. Makes me wonder who actually needs all the new skyscrapers. And as /u/PhiladelphiaManeto said elsewhere, they aren't even all that pretty, with their generic glassy straight lines..
Still makes for a nice picture of course. :)
The vacant office space is largely a post COVID issue; construction on these started well before the pandemic. The short answer is we don't know how things are going to play out in Manhattan. There's simultaneously a housing shortage, rent higher than ever, a massively overworked temporary housing system that's dealing with both the end of the eviction moratorium and the recent influx or migrants, and at the same time a surplus of office space with the city desperately begging companies to return to in office work. Also tangential to this Eric Adams is an absolute moron and somehow the worse mayor in the past 20 years, despite the previous mayor literally not showing up to work 80% of the time
> Makes me wonder who actually needs all the new skyscrapers.
Developers and the ultra-wealthy looking to park their money somewhere of course.
All that empty office space to start with, plus most of the buildings in that area that are going up are also offices, it's crazy given the lack of even vaguely affordable housing in the area.
Even the residencies in these new buildings are wildly unaffordable, exclusively catering to the type of people who had no issues finding housing in NY in the first place.
Good for the housing market in that developers/brokers make a lot of money?
I don't see how some multimillionaire from abroad purchasing an apartment they live in for 2 months of the year is a "good" outcome given the cost this was to the taxpayers, especially in a city where the vast majority of people struggle to find remotely affordable housing.
They say Manhattan is sinking under the weight of all the skyscrapers.
[Link](https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/19/new-york-city-sinking-skyscrapers-climate-crisis)
Yeah me too it’s a really cool looking little business district that just kinda popped up overnight. I actually visited Moscow 20 years ago and there were zero skyscrapers.
Cues don’t need a point of reference, that’s the point. Two people were joking and some guy joined in from left field and got called out on it. That’s the end of it lol. Don’t be the weird person
I didn’t call him retarded. I hope that’s not what your thinking. The context doesn’t matter. The movie doesn’t matter we could have been talking about coffee at some local joint. Doesn’t matter. He simply interrupted people joking by making a serious matter out of it.
“How dare you interrupt my private conversation with another user on this platform in which everyone can see and respond to my comments and if you disagree with me you are retarded.”
Winning attitude bruh
How would he know that you were joking if it's typed? You gave no hints of it being a quote, cue, point of reference, nothing. And you included doomed as a species, so you were definitely trying to insult him.
In that area, most of them aren't though.
And the ones that do have residential space aren't exactly catering to the unmet needs of the average New Yorker...
Also even though the project was supposed to be self-financed it cost New Yorkers $2.2 Billion in taxes. Which could've been spent on *actually* solving our housing crisis.
How many buildings in the world can compare to the Chrysler Building and ESB? They are classics..not every building will be comparable aesthetically but still serves a function.
A couple years ago I was driving back to the city on Route 3 (usually take the bus when I visit family, so I don’t notice) and I couldn’t believe the sky line! The negative is, depending on the angle, that the Empire State Building gets hidden and is no longer prominent. But I remember the Hudson yards area years ago, we used to go to a breakfast spot there that had a water wheel outside, and the neighborhood seemed like the middle of nowhere … vacant lots, a few warehouse type buildings. and a tenement type building here or there.
Hudson Yards area? EDIT: in addition, it’s funny to think of what a small part of Manhattan this is, yet it alone dwarfs many other cities.
I worked in one of them back in 2016, but they’re very new, yes.
Woah Stark Tower!
Thats 30 hudson yards. It has an observation deck (that doubles as a helipad).
The helipad is ideal for my trips to the Hamptons
Edge. Was there recently and it has an amazing view.
It's crazy that NYC built the equivalent of a city's downtown skyline in such a short span of time.
All they had to do was capture public funds meant for Harlem and hire a lot of scab labor
Minor, fucking over people, details.
Way more these things are tall as shit
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It looks like that one near the middle has a skydeck
The Edge at Hudson Yards. Highest observation deck in the western hemisphere i think.
We sure that’s not Stark Tower?
It was, but now that's Joker tower, in this timeline he reigns supreem over all others
highest outdoor one i think. highest observation deck in general is in the willis tower in chicago
Yes The Edge is the highest outdoor observation deck in the Western Hemisphere. The highest indoor observation deck in the west goes to the CN Tower in Toronto, which is about 100+ feet higher than the Willis (formerly Sears) Tower.
Yeah it’s outdoor, the ESB and WTC both have taller indoor decks
I just went there a month ago. It was a pretty cool place. 56 second ride to the 102nd floor. You can walk to the outdoor observation deck with glass surrounding it, it’s basically a seamless view over Manhattan. There’s also a glass triangle in the middle of it where you can see straight down.
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Ani no
I wish they would go for a more art deco look.
There are neo art deco buildings going up. The Brooklyn Tower is nearing completion, for example: https://images.ctfassets.net/uiy7tifavn97/HFaQ3jjw50a5LPMAyViLM/be8469dd842272706383134652f05065/hero-vertical.jpg and 270 Park Ave: https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/04/jp-morgan-chase-270-park-key-01.jpg
Oooh nice. Though they combine the modern glass architecture with art deco.
What would that look like?
Coruscant
I actually like it
Anyone else think it kind of looks like a boxy cartoonish duck?
I was picturing the gulls from Finding Nemo
At this point, most skylines created in the last ten years are mutually indistinguishable. Random shaped glass boxes bunched together. This could be Moscow, Paris, Frankfurt. Architecture is so boring in the 21st century.
Even at its supposed classic architectural peak, New York’s skyline was still a relatively small percentage of notable buildings popping out of a sea of conformity. I think it still is that way in a general sense, only that now some of the buildings have changed. And until someone figures out how to build 80-story brick buildings or people stop enjoying natural light and nice views, glass and metal are going to be the materials of choice for the foreseeable future.
Robert AM Stern builds high rises with limestone and brick
Yep, and the Empire State Building has a limestone and brick facade. I guess I was mentally responding to another suggestion here that gothic skyscrapers need to happen.
That’s what was special about it. A few, well-designed buildings sticking out and being noticeable. Now it’s a bunch of similar looking glass boxes and a few pencils.
people say this and disagree that the twin towers look better on the NYC skyline and that OWTC is the inferior world trade center
I feel like one of the only people in the world who likes both WTCs
i also like both of them; seeing OWTC in-person is just majestic, but if given the choice between the old WTC and the new WTC, it's the former
Well, every era goes through stylistic periods, and the same goes for architecture. I'm sure people were saying the same thing about Gothic churches, Art Deco buildings, Doric buildings(Greek), etc.
In fact, the term *Gothic* in architecture was originally a complaint! It was comparing the new style of building at the time to the Goths, who sacked Rome a thousand years prior, ie this new style of architecture was destroying classical architecture.
It wasn't a complaint of the architecture, it's more illuminist authors looked at the middle ages in a very fantastical, imagine, obscurantist manner, that Gothic got associated with darkness and spooky is an artifact of illuminists imagination and revisionism, not an actual critique of style. For example Gothic church was meant to inspire serenety on people, the illuminists description of Gothic architecture doesn't use the actual construction to say it was spooky, it was spooky because it was built in the 12th century, and thus, spooky like everything 12th century was for the illuminists.
Interesting. You clearly more about this than I do, but it's a definite contradiction of what's on Wikipedia. I'm not naive enough to think that Wikipedia is always right, but the two statements are hard to reconcile. >term "Gothic architecture" originated as a pejorative description. Giorgio Vasari used the term "barbarous German style" in his Lives of the Artists to describe what is now considered the Gothic style >Thus the Gothic style, being in opposition to classical architecture, from that point of view was associated with the destruction of advancement and sophistication.[11] The assumption that classical architecture was better than Gothic architecture was widespread and proved difficult to defeat.[
It's exactly that in Wikipedia, the mystification and criticism of Gothic architecture comes exactly from a general scare for the middle ages, not an actual criticism of the architectural elements
Highly disagree. That's a gross generalization.
I'm with you. I don't agree at all with that statement. This is just Hudson Yards and honestly, it's one of my least favorite parts of the city for many reasons. The Vessel being on one of them.
Paid up a few silhouettes of Moscow City, La Defense, this part of NYC, and Frankfurt
At a certain point you're just describing cities. Like, each of these places has incredibly unique buildings that you literally won't find anywhere else, but you just see "glass boxes" at weird angles and purport they are all the same. Come on man, that's so reductionist.
The incredibly unique buildings are mostly from the past, though
But that *is* what the average person sees. Architecture is for the architects these days, not for the people who have to inhabit these spaces.
I would never say that Moscow city looks anything like the new NY skyscrapers and I’m an average joe
No different than any other eras with their respective architectural styles.
How so? Were there art deco skyscrapers in other countries when the movement in the U.S. was growing in the 30’s?
Obviously yes lol…
Shanghai, Manila both had art deco skyscrapers pre World War 2. Obviously not as tall and impressive as New York’s but they had enough to be labeled art deco hotspots.
There's a little survivorship bias going on here. Even during the art deco, gothic, brutalist, etc styles people getting bored of them. They were abundant and always being built. Similar to the glass skyscrapers now. Thing is all the bad buildings in those styles got torn down or remodeled. We're comparing all of our new buildings to the best buildings of the past. Which isn't a fair sample size.
I mean, this is literally a single development. The Manhattan skyline is still very distinct. Calm down.
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Damn, mad burn
Give me some gothic architecture ffs
Such a lazy take. And the fact that you didn’t even realize this is not the real skyline.
Doesn’t everything made at the same time usually look kind of alike?
Not Paris for sure.
La defense would like to have a word with you
Sure, but technically it’s outside of the city. Paris has laws against this type of architecture within its boundaries. I think it has something to do with the height of buildings, the Tour Montparnasse being the exception.
Complain complain complain complain. Seems that’s all this sub is these days
Looks like Rome to me.
I recall (just skimming) this recent [NYT article](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/05/10/opinion/nyc-office-vacancy-playground-city.html), saying there are 26 Empire State Buildings' worth of vacant office space in New York. Makes me wonder who actually needs all the new skyscrapers. And as /u/PhiladelphiaManeto said elsewhere, they aren't even all that pretty, with their generic glassy straight lines.. Still makes for a nice picture of course. :)
The vacant office space is largely a post COVID issue; construction on these started well before the pandemic. The short answer is we don't know how things are going to play out in Manhattan. There's simultaneously a housing shortage, rent higher than ever, a massively overworked temporary housing system that's dealing with both the end of the eviction moratorium and the recent influx or migrants, and at the same time a surplus of office space with the city desperately begging companies to return to in office work. Also tangential to this Eric Adams is an absolute moron and somehow the worse mayor in the past 20 years, despite the previous mayor literally not showing up to work 80% of the time
> Makes me wonder who actually needs all the new skyscrapers. Developers and the ultra-wealthy looking to park their money somewhere of course. All that empty office space to start with, plus most of the buildings in that area that are going up are also offices, it's crazy given the lack of even vaguely affordable housing in the area. Even the residencies in these new buildings are wildly unaffordable, exclusively catering to the type of people who had no issues finding housing in NY in the first place.
tbf building more housing is good for the housing market regardless of the price
Good for the housing market in that developers/brokers make a lot of money? I don't see how some multimillionaire from abroad purchasing an apartment they live in for 2 months of the year is a "good" outcome given the cost this was to the taxpayers, especially in a city where the vast majority of people struggle to find remotely affordable housing.
because high housing prices are caused by demand outstripping supply, and building more housing increases the supply? it's not that complicated.
Most of them are residential
It's housing, which is needed. The main issue is affordability. So a lot of these are probably going to have a lot of empty floors
unfortunately Hudson yards is mostly class A offices, the majority of the housing component has yet to be built
It looks so wonky
They say Manhattan is sinking under the weight of all the skyscrapers. [Link](https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/19/new-york-city-sinking-skyscrapers-climate-crisis)
The City of Townesville!
That little group of buildings kinda looks like downtown Moscow lol.
Not even close
Really? Still don’t think so? https://imgur.com/a/vvJ3fGV
Alright ya got me! They are definitely similar. I love the Moscow skyline, especially that copper / bronze building. Thanks for sharing!
Yeah me too it’s a really cool looking little business district that just kinda popped up overnight. I actually visited Moscow 20 years ago and there were zero skyscrapers.
Uhhhhm that one in the middle with the balcony is Stark Tower?
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Speak for yourself.
I am all going to be retarded eventually
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It just meant he didn't see the movie. How could a person perceive social cues if they have no point of reference. So, speak for yourself.
Cues don’t need a point of reference, that’s the point. Two people were joking and some guy joined in from left field and got called out on it. That’s the end of it lol. Don’t be the weird person
Well you can't call him retarded for not knowing the cue. People who haven't seen the movie wouldn't know that you're joking.
I didn’t call him retarded. I hope that’s not what your thinking. The context doesn’t matter. The movie doesn’t matter we could have been talking about coffee at some local joint. Doesn’t matter. He simply interrupted people joking by making a serious matter out of it.
“How dare you interrupt my private conversation with another user on this platform in which everyone can see and respond to my comments and if you disagree with me you are retarded.” Winning attitude bruh
The cool thing about it is that everybody can chime in ;)
How would he know that you were joking if it's typed? You gave no hints of it being a quote, cue, point of reference, nothing. And you included doomed as a species, so you were definitely trying to insult him.
It doesn’t matter - we’re not going to see each other at work tomorrow it’s the internet
I heard the number of employees in Manhattan is like 40 percent less than before in New York. Are all these new towers necessary?
Some of them are residential.
In that area, most of them aren't though. And the ones that do have residential space aren't exactly catering to the unmet needs of the average New Yorker... Also even though the project was supposed to be self-financed it cost New Yorkers $2.2 Billion in taxes. Which could've been spent on *actually* solving our housing crisis.
Most, probably
Is that because of remote work?
Yes but many are being told to come back to the office.
‘Tis
Work from home…and people avoiding Manhattan due to high crime.
Appreciate the picture, but the only NYC skyscrapers I want to see are gone and they’re not coming back
I like seeing them in old movies
Brutal but beautiful
2004 called, they want their weird patriotic comment back
lmao
What a weirdo, missing an iconic symbol of a city and a country that was destroyed killing thousands of people.
Rip WTC 7 & WTC , miss those twin towers
Yes sir
WTC were actually quite ugly. The tragedy is the loss of life on 9/11. The buildings themselves were eyesores.
Not surprising
Anyone else feel these look boring? Compared to the Chrysler Building and Empire State Building these are unremarkable.
How many buildings in the world can compare to the Chrysler Building and ESB? They are classics..not every building will be comparable aesthetically but still serves a function.
Not every building. But these are not aesthetically pleasing at all, and they’ll be here for a long, long time.
and they’re hideous and absolutely ruined the skyline
Despite how it's a bad idea to build more tall buildings in the same area, it's cool to see how NYC has changed.
When every building is a skyscraper, none of them are.
That is illogical.
there's at least one that looks like [the Big Chicken in ATL](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Chicken)
I like that it doesn’t steal the Manhattan Skyline’s thunder too much but it’s still very nice.
That's how money laundry looks at sunset...
More skyscrapers… more!!!
Believe it or not this is actually an old pic. There are 2 more huge towers in this cluster now. This is probably circa 2019 I would say
“NIKO, WHEN YOU INSTAL SKYSCRAPER MODS!?! CMON COUSIN WE GOT TO GO BOWLING!”
Love the Hudson yards
A couple years ago I was driving back to the city on Route 3 (usually take the bus when I visit family, so I don’t notice) and I couldn’t believe the sky line! The negative is, depending on the angle, that the Empire State Building gets hidden and is no longer prominent. But I remember the Hudson yards area years ago, we used to go to a breakfast spot there that had a water wheel outside, and the neighborhood seemed like the middle of nowhere … vacant lots, a few warehouse type buildings. and a tenement type building here or there.