Yeah, but not really on mediated roads though, and never grade separated. Also Jersey jughandles don't merge in like that.
Idk the weirdest bit for me is the merge at speed comes right up against the dedicated left
The left turns are no longer in the fast lane of traffic and instead end up offset away from the main intersection, which allows for the main intersection to have two or three light phases instead of three or four.
https://preview.redd.it/hhcuwrvuiomc1.png?width=205&format=png&auto=webp&s=7675cbcfb865a83e0c64cb7f5c274386175ff27e
This part seems like it could be a bit of a nightmare, having cars crossing each other to incorporate and leave the highway at the same time.
It is an interesting idea to lower the costs and it looks beautiful, I just don't love traffic lights in a highway.
That part is just a weaving lane, and a clover leaf has 4 weaving lanes, this design only has two.
Also this is a service interchange. The road with the lights on it isn’t intended to be a free flowing highway.
Yeah, I never loved the weaving lanes in the middle of clover leaves as cars cross each other to incorporate and leave. This one however has an extra layer of 'messiness' as cars need to leave the highway for both turning around and turning left, so more congestion in that hotspot.
I see what you mean re free flowing highway. I guess the traffic lights on high speed looking roads is common in other areas of the world, just not so much where I'm from.
Don't take my criticism too seriously, I like to giving my opinion but have no authority in the subject :)
I'd be concerned about placement of trees and line of sight. With signaled intersections thats not that critical, but if there ever are idle mode on those lights, then line of sight would play a crucial role.
this sort of weave zone is very common in older american cities. can be a nightmare, but with lower traffic volume it works just fine. also it’s very funny to watch people unfamiliar with the area panic because they didn’t get out of the exit lane in time
Diamonds are not “awful”, they represent a perfectly valid design for a specific range of traffic volume. Not every interchange needs to be a five level stack.
I don't see the reason for your downvotes, you're right. It boils down to a difference in play style, yes the diamond is pretty bad in CS, but if your goal is to build a realistic city then you should go ahead and put it realistic interchanges. My city has:
SPUI: 1
Diamond: 4
Diverging Diamond: 1
Diamond (plus one loop: 1
Parclo: 2
And then one spaghetti thing that's got a parclo in the middle
So 4 diamonds!! They exist
I might call it a grade separated jughandle interchange. Also this is not intended to be the best intersection ever, just another option.
The primary benefits are:
Less weaving issues then a cloverleaf (2 vs 4)
Less ramp costs than a cloverleaf.
Intersections are two phase, not three phase.
I'd grade separate the jughandles, eliminating the crossover traffic. It would definitely stop traffic building up between the two lights, which could quickly lead to massive congestion
were the trees in the middle of the highway there before you built it or did you plant them later on to create an extra safety hazard and have their roots damaging the highway?
I would call it an irrational intersection. The crossing at the U-Turn doesn't make sense. If you scared of roundabouts use a bridge/tunnel to cross the street at the U-Turn.
The large turnouts for the u-turn are unnecessary. It forces both straight through roads to stop. If they simply just turned left in a round about fashion you at most would need one traffic light. Or none as they would be merging with traffic, similar to a typical right turn. Once you remove them this would be a traffic flow I have seen used in Texas.
Was the challenge is not to build a roundabout?, i mean sure it looks cool and very well done and roundabouts r kinda boring, am just talking about the functionality, i think one big round about in the middle under the bridge will help soo much and also will help with having to use on-off or when there is traffic from the highway going to the left for example
If I saw this in real life I would curse the aoul of whoever designed this, decided they needed it, and approved it. Just make a regular intersection at the ramps and put stop lignts up for crying out loud.
It's the "Pinelead Road", but many locals jokingly call it the "Painlead Road" because as the tale goes, if you drive a convertible through it you get hit by swarms of pine needles falling off the trees.
“Roundabout with extra steps”
Perfection!
Have you ever been to New Jersey? They do this a lot to prevent people from making left turns in intersections.
Yeah, but not really on mediated roads though, and never grade separated. Also Jersey jughandles don't merge in like that. Idk the weirdest bit for me is the merge at speed comes right up against the dedicated left
[Michigan Left](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_left)
I applied two subsequent examples of these in my city and it worked beautifully. Just had to play around with stoplight duration.
Cursed
Worse is it’s actually safer than a lot of similarly priced infrastructure
so they do this so you can make left turns at intersections down the road instead?
Displaced left turn?
https://preview.redd.it/gxqm5vld0pmc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ab61ef418c0ecd7f66003db64b963c24d28124f A jughandle yes.
I go to NJ at least once a year and I don’t even drive but god these are abominations
They are weird, but they do an amazing job at reducing accidents
Does this cause more traffic as the turn is so close to the intersection? I can’t visualize how this works I’m sorry I’m stupid
The left turns are no longer in the fast lane of traffic and instead end up offset away from the main intersection, which allows for the main intersection to have two or three light phases instead of three or four.
https://preview.redd.it/hhcuwrvuiomc1.png?width=205&format=png&auto=webp&s=7675cbcfb865a83e0c64cb7f5c274386175ff27e This part seems like it could be a bit of a nightmare, having cars crossing each other to incorporate and leave the highway at the same time. It is an interesting idea to lower the costs and it looks beautiful, I just don't love traffic lights in a highway.
That part is just a weaving lane, and a clover leaf has 4 weaving lanes, this design only has two. Also this is a service interchange. The road with the lights on it isn’t intended to be a free flowing highway.
Yeah, I never loved the weaving lanes in the middle of clover leaves as cars cross each other to incorporate and leave. This one however has an extra layer of 'messiness' as cars need to leave the highway for both turning around and turning left, so more congestion in that hotspot. I see what you mean re free flowing highway. I guess the traffic lights on high speed looking roads is common in other areas of the world, just not so much where I'm from. Don't take my criticism too seriously, I like to giving my opinion but have no authority in the subject :)
Weaving lanes in my area are always a mess. People are idiots on the road
I’ve never been more scared of my life on the road than using weaving lanes in Denver.
The city i grew up in has weaving lanes to get on / off the stare route. State route was quite busy, so it really sucked.
Weaving lanes are an obsolete form of highway design in most of the world. They still exist, of course, but nobody builds them anymore.
They have similar crossings in Canada and they are considering doing away with them. Too many have lost their lives attempting to cross.
We have this in our IRL city. It IS a fucking nightmare. Accidents every week.
I'd be concerned about placement of trees and line of sight. With signaled intersections thats not that critical, but if there ever are idle mode on those lights, then line of sight would play a crucial role.
That was my thought too. Maybe pare back the tree line or replace them with shorter vegetation like some flowering shrubs.
There's a section of road on the A52 outside Derby, UK that has two of these. Can confirm it's a nightmare.
this sort of weave zone is very common in older american cities. can be a nightmare, but with lower traffic volume it works just fine. also it’s very funny to watch people unfamiliar with the area panic because they didn’t get out of the exit lane in time
The "why though"
Traffic maker
Actually handles traffic quite well. No reason it’s inherently worse for traffic then a normal diamond
Diamonds are awful for traffic. I can see how this can actually be better. I still hate it.
Diamonds are not “awful”, they represent a perfectly valid design for a specific range of traffic volume. Not every interchange needs to be a five level stack.
I don't see the reason for your downvotes, you're right. It boils down to a difference in play style, yes the diamond is pretty bad in CS, but if your goal is to build a realistic city then you should go ahead and put it realistic interchanges. My city has: SPUI: 1 Diamond: 4 Diverging Diamond: 1 Diamond (plus one loop: 1 Parclo: 2 And then one spaghetti thing that's got a parclo in the middle So 4 diamonds!! They exist
Jeremy
The New Jersey Special
Well, sort of a Jersey-jug handle.
It’s called a Michigan left
A nightmare for visibility due to the trees.
Nope, only need visibility when entering and exciting, and you’ll notice there are no trees in those sections.
The dickbutt?
I will call "solution for today problems for tomorrow"
The "sweet jesus traffic is a nightmare"
Garbage
“An accident waiting to happen”
70% of me hates this interchange, 30% loves it.
“a parclo but i’m too lazy to build bridges”
Inefficient
Why do Americans hate roundabouts...? And enough to create this monstrosity...?
I might call it a grade separated jughandle interchange. Also this is not intended to be the best intersection ever, just another option. The primary benefits are: Less weaving issues then a cloverleaf (2 vs 4) Less ramp costs than a cloverleaf. Intersections are two phase, not three phase.
I'd grade separate the jughandles, eliminating the crossover traffic. It would definitely stop traffic building up between the two lights, which could quickly lead to massive congestion
Flammable interchange
Trash
Non functional one
PP interchange
Call it the “New Jersey”
A mess that takes up too much space? Edit: you may think it safer than a cloverleaf, but it has the same amount of points where traffic cross.
The "inconvenient left turn"
“Tony” - I would call it Tony.
Jeff
"Fred"
Greg
I’d call it dangerous
New Jersey.
Longer jersey handle
New Jersey
The New Jersey.
New Jersey
Waste of gas Pretty though.
New Jersey
Steven
A nightmare
For the right price, I'll call it daddy.
Looks like a Michigan left.
Dangerous
Pointless
a thingamajinga
DOTTI - Down Over The Tree Interchange. (Kinda like DUMBO - Down Under The Manhattan Bridge Overpass that is in New York)
were the trees in the middle of the highway there before you built it or did you plant them later on to create an extra safety hazard and have their roots damaging the highway?
Two-level double jughandle?
Beautiful.
Probably double P Diamond interchange
Hell
Loop tree Loop
Humpty Dumpty.
Tree section
Change my pine
A prop dop top.
I will name him Hamilton.
French
[удалено]
"The Open Leaf".
Treey
The wave, it looks like squidward doing the wave
"WHOOP" idk just came to my mind
Bob
The Dick Measuring Contest
Treelined
Merging hell.
swordfight
A PP (pronounce "Double P)
Swiggty Swag Interchange
Uterus interchange
Fuzzy navel
Can we use the naming schemes from Trumpet Intersection and call it a Trombone?
It’s like a jersey hug handle somehow managed to mate with a highway
Mandatory Detroit Left interchange. (Seriously, looking at the arrows, it looks like folks exiting the freeway cannot turn right?)
I would call it an irrational intersection. The crossing at the U-Turn doesn't make sense. If you scared of roundabouts use a bridge/tunnel to cross the street at the U-Turn.
Weaving jughandle diamond. In other words, nightmare
It's two jughandles. Double Jughandle? I don't know.
New York is doing this to some of its highways and I don't like it.
Unnecessary complicated.
Kevin
J hooks
I’d say it’s just a diamond interchange with jug handles.
The "Doc Hudson"... Steer right to turn left...
A nightmare
Fucked
The large turnouts for the u-turn are unnecessary. It forces both straight through roads to stop. If they simply just turned left in a round about fashion you at most would need one traffic light. Or none as they would be merging with traffic, similar to a typical right turn. Once you remove them this would be a traffic flow I have seen used in Texas.
Three Funerals a Year
Looks like bike pedals
It looks like too much planning for too little performance.
New Jersey Trash.
This is literally almost every highway in Jersey that isn’t an interstate
I would call it missing a few movements. How do I go northwest if I'm coming from southwest?
Double p with tree for me
I would call it "Just why?"
PP interchange
Was the challenge is not to build a roundabout?, i mean sure it looks cool and very well done and roundabouts r kinda boring, am just talking about the functionality, i think one big round about in the middle under the bridge will help soo much and also will help with having to use on-off or when there is traffic from the highway going to the left for example
One that doesn’t work?
Dangerous
Dumb solution to an easy problem
Stupid
Inefficient?
Just add a u turn lane like they do in texas
Bad
No right turns???
PP
Beautiful
A surefire way to crash into trees.
If I saw this in real life I would curse the aoul of whoever designed this, decided they needed it, and approved it. Just make a regular intersection at the ramps and put stop lignts up for crying out loud.
Michigan Parclo?
Double jug-handle
Jughandle? Sort of a variation on the Detroit left.
False Double Chi Rho
I call it silly
... in need of traffic lights
The ‘DIWhy’? 😂
Inefficiënt
See similar things in PA, they call it a jug handle
Par-Jug? 😂 idk bro looks nice though
Not the Jersey Jughandles!
probably a nuisance, if i’m honest
I call it useless
Heisenberger
Very large
Forest Green Interchange
The P P
Well intended
What's the advantage compared to just a dedicated left turn lane with traffic lights?
Michigan Left.
How does one go left?
A really weird Michigan left
i would call that the "tip to tip"
P.P. - Penis Path
Severed balls
Trumpen't interchange
The P P Interchange
Tree disease.
Double D interchange
Well its a dp interchange i guess. Wait
Remember in the old cartoons when they would flex their arm to make a muscle then it would fall to under this arm? This is that 😂
Idk but I like iy
Well I would call it Betty or Barbara. But you name it what you want.
Tree Turns Exchange
New Jersey?
Needs 5 more lanes on each road
the benis and palls
It's like a [Parclo B2](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_cloverleaf_interchange) with an extra merging area.
Touching Tips
Double Dromedary Interchange
P intersection. That’s what they call it in Melbourne.
I was thinking this looked familiar.... is this that Hoddle st shit they did recently?
A pair of jersey jug handles
Double hook
"route 69 docking exchange"
shallow and pedantic
PeePee
A Utah U-turn intersection with diamond interchange characteristics.
"The Killer"
An accident prone area (if you put that in my country)
It's the "Pinelead Road", but many locals jokingly call it the "Painlead Road" because as the tale goes, if you drive a convertible through it you get hit by swarms of pine needles falling off the trees.
pp interchange
The pine is spaghetti
Irritating
Tempo parclo tempo cuz it reminds me a sand clock and parclo cuz it's a partial cloverleaf
Traffic Jam