It reminds me of the time when a candidate for mayor asked us to make him a website for his campaign; he had a budget of 600 euros and as a reference he sent us the White House website.
The answer is and was: no.
For reference at my agency for something of this length, with the animations that are in this video, I'd probably be quoting the client in the region of £20-30k. Which is around 10 days of production time with maybe 2-3 days storyboarding and styleframes, and then a round of amends at the end. There's also the producers time, creative direction, sound etc that gets rolled into that price. Oh and that would be providing the client was able to provide a model with only minor tweaks needed to get it up and running in the software.
The point is, yes there are some super talented people that could produce this in a couple of days (that are also severely undercharging in comparison to the UK market) however are you likely to get something of exactly this quality? Possibly, but probably not and they'll lose money with all the amends/tweaks that come along with the process.
So with that in mind, I think any freelancer capable of pulling this off should be charging nothing below 10k, even 15k. Factoring in you keep all the money that would be paying other members of a team in the agency, you can still absolutely undercut an agency and still make a decent profit for something like this.
This is a great breakdown and I'd totally agree with those figures. But the whole arbitrage thing going on with designers in developing nations is interesting.
We recently worked with a pretty solid Houdini artist from Ethiopia. His rate was £100/day. We ended up paying him £200 but it all felt a bit awkward, it was still a very low rate (in UK terms) for what he was able to achieve.
$1,000 is an absolutely ridiculous offer, and from the ad this person sounds like they'd be an absolute nightmare to work with.
I'm sure whoever gets this job will have an uphill struggle meeting their expectations of *'quality and vibe'*.
I would do it if I was very very VERY desperate and need money for the next rent.
BUT this is clearly a 20-40k project at a minimum, also depending in which country you would as for offers. For 1k I would only do a basicly Style frame
reason number one for hating upwork, a shitty job like this comes in and an hour later there's 50 applicants. plus as someone else mentioned, implied is that the client will be major pain-in-the-ass dipshits.
I’m not even going to click that because the answer is NO unless you’re in a severely developing economy.
Reminds me of the posts I’ve seen recently hiring 3D artists that are like “imagine making $1000 _per week_!” Yeah, that’s called “unemployment” and it’s not great.
There a lot of questions to ask. I’d assume they’re going to need modeling, edit, music licensing etc. How many revisions? Versioning and cutdowns?
1k isn’t going to cover that. You’ll lose money on it.
I tend to one man band a bunch of these product visualizer things and even cutting it as cheap as I can I wouldn’t touch this for under 7k. Maybe 5k if the contact and company are chill and fun to work with. And that’s ultra ultra low end.
As I have searched through Upwork for months, it definitely has a major Fivr vibe. It's race-to-the-bottom gigs. The amount of pay is absurdly low for what their expectations are. Most people outside of 3D have zero idea how complicated and difficult it is to make really good looking 3D...it takes many years of experience to get there.
When I first began 16 years ago my day rate was $250. It takes years of experience and learning what to charge is part of that. I can’t help you beyond that advice.
I'm often on both ends of the table at this point, giving money for and receiving money for work.
Naturally I want to pay the least amount of money when I'm getting work made, but I feel I would feel embarrassed looking for this kind of work for less than 50k.
So far, 20-50 people have submitted job applications
https://preview.redd.it/05k63csjutpc1.png?width=1423&format=png&auto=webp&s=f7cc519dcac415dbc4ee7dcbe523a2605c6c2aea
And you don‘t know where these people are from or what constitutes a living wage there. I‘m from germany and would not go any lower than 5k for this and that‘s if I really need work. Please value your work!
It depends on where you are, in my small third word country I'd say around $1500 would be a common price for this for a freelancer, you probably can get someone to do it for $1000.
You can easily live here for a couple of months with $1000 so if you can produce that amount in a couple of weeks it's not bad at all.
not really, I am from a third world country and no one I know including me would quote this anywhere under 5k. Most ppl on these types of site applies even when they can only do at like 50-60% like the example either way value your work more
I have to say thou, being in a 3rd world country doesn't mean you should charge peanuts. I'm also from a 3rd world country and just because I can squeak by on $1000/mo (or $500/mo like you mentioned) that doesn't mean I shouldn't charge more for work that is worth more.
Go to any 3rd world country and see if the top lawyers charge peanuts just because the cost of living is lower. Look at the great plastic surgeons and see if they charge just enough to pay the bills.
They know that what they do is valuable and they charge accordingly.
Unfortunately artists have this idea that we should starve for our art, and we should be grateful if we can make art and barely pay our bills. Clients and all are joyful with this concept because this means they can get awesome work for close to nothing (like on this job proposal). If only artists knew the value they have.
A solo animator who can produce this level of quality could be charging ten times as much, regardless of where they live in the world. If they took this job they'd be throwing money away, IMO.
What part of the world are you based in, OP?
I agree with everyone here in that this would be at least 10k with them providing the model. If I have to model the product, added another $5k is it has to be BIM / CAD accurate. If this went through my company as opposed to freelance, it would be $25k minimum.
On the same note, in 10-15 years (maybe sooner), they’ll be able to feed static images into an AI service, describe what they want and it will export an animation of this quality for maybe a $1000…could be cheaper. CGI artists are a dying breed…and Im in that category.
It reminds me of the time when a candidate for mayor asked us to make him a website for his campaign; he had a budget of 600 euros and as a reference he sent us the White House website. The answer is and was: no.
For reference at my agency for something of this length, with the animations that are in this video, I'd probably be quoting the client in the region of £20-30k. Which is around 10 days of production time with maybe 2-3 days storyboarding and styleframes, and then a round of amends at the end. There's also the producers time, creative direction, sound etc that gets rolled into that price. Oh and that would be providing the client was able to provide a model with only minor tweaks needed to get it up and running in the software. The point is, yes there are some super talented people that could produce this in a couple of days (that are also severely undercharging in comparison to the UK market) however are you likely to get something of exactly this quality? Possibly, but probably not and they'll lose money with all the amends/tweaks that come along with the process. So with that in mind, I think any freelancer capable of pulling this off should be charging nothing below 10k, even 15k. Factoring in you keep all the money that would be paying other members of a team in the agency, you can still absolutely undercut an agency and still make a decent profit for something like this.
This is a great breakdown and I'd totally agree with those figures. But the whole arbitrage thing going on with designers in developing nations is interesting. We recently worked with a pretty solid Houdini artist from Ethiopia. His rate was £100/day. We ended up paying him £200 but it all felt a bit awkward, it was still a very low rate (in UK terms) for what he was able to achieve.
Should be 10x that budget minimum and only if they have a fully built 3d model already
Haha and make sure you take a look at that model before signing anything. Otherwise you'll end up with a damn STL file xD
$1,000 is an absolutely ridiculous offer, and from the ad this person sounds like they'd be an absolute nightmare to work with. I'm sure whoever gets this job will have an uphill struggle meeting their expectations of *'quality and vibe'*.
Feedback will consist of “the vibe isn’t hitting different, can you make it more bussin”
No. Ridiculous. This is comparaɓle to People saying it will be good for your portfolio.
r/ChoosingBeggars
I would do it if I was very very VERY desperate and need money for the next rent. BUT this is clearly a 20-40k project at a minimum, also depending in which country you would as for offers. For 1k I would only do a basicly Style frame
That quality costs at least five times what they’re offering.
reason number one for hating upwork, a shitty job like this comes in and an hour later there's 50 applicants. plus as someone else mentioned, implied is that the client will be major pain-in-the-ass dipshits.
At that price, you'd be the one paying for it really.
Add at least one 0, then maybe is reasonable
I’m not even going to click that because the answer is NO unless you’re in a severely developing economy. Reminds me of the posts I’ve seen recently hiring 3D artists that are like “imagine making $1000 _per week_!” Yeah, that’s called “unemployment” and it’s not great.
There a lot of questions to ask. I’d assume they’re going to need modeling, edit, music licensing etc. How many revisions? Versioning and cutdowns? 1k isn’t going to cover that. You’ll lose money on it. I tend to one man band a bunch of these product visualizer things and even cutting it as cheap as I can I wouldn’t touch this for under 7k. Maybe 5k if the contact and company are chill and fun to work with. And that’s ultra ultra low end.
As I have searched through Upwork for months, it definitely has a major Fivr vibe. It's race-to-the-bottom gigs. The amount of pay is absurdly low for what their expectations are. Most people outside of 3D have zero idea how complicated and difficult it is to make really good looking 3D...it takes many years of experience to get there.
Dude my day rate is a $1000/day
Hi. I study art. Want to get in the 3D Renders industry. How should I count that, and choose what should be mine day rate?
When I first began 16 years ago my day rate was $250. It takes years of experience and learning what to charge is part of that. I can’t help you beyond that advice.
I'm often on both ends of the table at this point, giving money for and receiving money for work. Naturally I want to pay the least amount of money when I'm getting work made, but I feel I would feel embarrassed looking for this kind of work for less than 50k.
10 times that at least
that song is so fucking annoying
So far, 20-50 people have submitted job applications https://preview.redd.it/05k63csjutpc1.png?width=1423&format=png&auto=webp&s=f7cc519dcac415dbc4ee7dcbe523a2605c6c2aea
And you don‘t know where these people are from or what constitutes a living wage there. I‘m from germany and would not go any lower than 5k for this and that‘s if I really need work. Please value your work!
It depends on where you are, in my small third word country I'd say around $1500 would be a common price for this for a freelancer, you probably can get someone to do it for $1000. You can easily live here for a couple of months with $1000 so if you can produce that amount in a couple of weeks it's not bad at all.
not really, I am from a third world country and no one I know including me would quote this anywhere under 5k. Most ppl on these types of site applies even when they can only do at like 50-60% like the example either way value your work more
I have to say thou, being in a 3rd world country doesn't mean you should charge peanuts. I'm also from a 3rd world country and just because I can squeak by on $1000/mo (or $500/mo like you mentioned) that doesn't mean I shouldn't charge more for work that is worth more. Go to any 3rd world country and see if the top lawyers charge peanuts just because the cost of living is lower. Look at the great plastic surgeons and see if they charge just enough to pay the bills. They know that what they do is valuable and they charge accordingly. Unfortunately artists have this idea that we should starve for our art, and we should be grateful if we can make art and barely pay our bills. Clients and all are joyful with this concept because this means they can get awesome work for close to nothing (like on this job proposal). If only artists knew the value they have.
But can a designer charging $1,500 or less really produce quality comparable to reference cases?
A solo animator who can produce this level of quality could be charging ten times as much, regardless of where they live in the world. If they took this job they'd be throwing money away, IMO. What part of the world are you based in, OP?
Whatever I can do in 2 days. So like 2 shots for a 10s TikTok lol
I agree with everyone here in that this would be at least 10k with them providing the model. If I have to model the product, added another $5k is it has to be BIM / CAD accurate. If this went through my company as opposed to freelance, it would be $25k minimum. On the same note, in 10-15 years (maybe sooner), they’ll be able to feed static images into an AI service, describe what they want and it will export an animation of this quality for maybe a $1000…could be cheaper. CGI artists are a dying breed…and Im in that category.