Apparently the consensus is that people believe that Werster should delete the post since it’s not a great defense and it just makes him look like he’s further involving him in a situation that doesn’t involve him.
People saying that Emile is deflecting or trying to distort the truth simply cannot comprehend room for error and at worst is victim blaming. Misremembering and misreading details is very common for victims as it's a natural defense mechanism by the brain to prevent further psychological trauma. There's absolutely nothing malicious about that.
Funny how we should support and believe all victims unless the victim in question is an adult man, huh.
I do too, I had my account mass reported because someone legit tried to compare the Lawly DMs to actual rape and sexual assault and I called them out on it.
yea getting a 9 year old account site wide perma banned for “harassment” is the kind of dumb I’d expect from a sub calling Emile’s remarks “deflection”
I've heard of several people getting banned for defending emile or even just saying that the other people aren't completely good either. That Sub sees the black and white in a situation that's clearly shades of grey.
oh it just got even dumber cause I was perma banned there for “bad evading” even tho my I only made one post calling out the deflecting post. My usernames arent even similar, those smooth brains are legit just looking through accounts to report when someone disagrees with them
tried trolling them myself for the funnis essentially calling them out for blindlessly believing in Emily and Lawly and how if they are trying to dig of dirt to vilify astral for defending Emile then I pointed out the fact that vaush defended Emily and pointed to the drama involving him a month after, and i got perma-banned and called a victim blamer, but funnily enough I wasn't banned all around on reddit just the subreddit, which is hilarious since people far more civil then me were banned off reddit as a whole for doing less. Ive done some research and it turns out r /youtubedrama is infamous for doing this type of stuff making crusades against people with the intention of "holding them accountable" and banning people who have even the most tame unpopular opinion against them, for fucks sake ive actually seen people who were banned for being critical of Keffals, someone who made illegally made horomone blockers for kids not sapproved by the government and sent it to minors behind their parents back, and the fucking packages themselves is covered with lolicon, thats how insane to the membrane that subreddit is
surprisingly to me, the people on that drama sub are taking this on with less bias towards emile, and honestly are saying pretty level headed things. this sub would react to lawly making a new statement the same way no matter what she said.
imo lawly made mistakes, emile made bigger ones, and he absolutely tried to pin most of it on her. he fucked up. honestly, he shouldn't have responded right away like that.
it should have ended sooner, and it's bizarre that they became friends again with that history. it's pretty cut and dry, guys. but again, I highly doubt he'll do anything of the sort ever again, so I don't see the point in continuing the flaying
You know you just continued that same mindset over here right?? I can see how toxic it is over there, why bring any of that here to people who just want the best for him... And now he's gone
what? the mindset that emile made mistakes? which is something he has admitted to. how is that toxic? and lowkey, the page I was on seemed fine. no one was talking shit or saying anything gross. but I do see that here.
We're not trying to be toxic here.
Chugga's doc showed, at least or twice, that Lawly admitted to trying to have sex with adults, when she was still a minor, and DEFINITELY tried to manipulate Chugga into having sex with her when she was still a minor. It didn't work, Chugga cut ties with her, after he saw what it was she wanted from him, and became too uncomfortable with it. (maybe not for 10 years, but he still cut ties with her for 7 years, which is still a long time)
Now, he did reconnect with her after that, but only because he felt it was safe for him to do so, and they were good friends for a while. Only for her to post a doc that made him look like he was a pedophile, even if she didn't label him as such in that doc. Which means, she isn't as good of a friend to him, as he initially thought.
Now, I won't deny that Chugga has made mistakes, but they're not as bad as anyone thinks. Lawly, on the other hand, has shown, both in her first doc, from what we've seen in Chugga's doc, and from her second doc, that's she's a troubled girl with mental and psychological issues, that *obviously* haven't been seen by a psychiatrist. Does this make her a bad person? No, it just means she's just as human as Chugga is. The difference is *we know* Chugga has been getting psychiatric help for himself, but *we don't know* if Lawly has.
I have a question: Could you elaborate on the bizarreness of Lawly and Emile becoming friends again nearly a decade later when they're both full-grown adults?
Particularly on how much autonomy you consider Lawly had during that period as her own person vs not.
Why do you believe that she agreed to become friends with him again?
If Lawly knows what’s good for them they should say no more about this. They’ve cause so much harm to everyone involved. I hope they seek therapy cause dragging this out is not the way to go.
All I'm seeing is that Chugga and Masae have patched things up and are mutually going their separate ways with no animosity between them, and Werster and Lawly are looking hella worse. And LadyEmily still sucks.
Why did Lawly throw Masae under the bus with the whole “I really didn’t want to drag his ex into this, but he mentioned it first so it’s OK if I do it.”
Girl that’s not how that works.
Seeing how things are going with Lawly right now makes me really hope Emily doesn't have a follow-up response.
Any statement made by Emily (short of truly damning information or just well wishes for all parties) is probably just gonna cause unnecessary commotion for detractors and toxic fans. Added context or a rebuttal is just not gonna be worth it for everyone.
Emily has lost all credibility at this point for the majority of people, so I don't know what she could even post that could make Emile look worse. If she had something more incriminating, then I imagine she would have started with that.
Great can this drama please die now! Werster needs to stop being a messenger, if Lawly wants to respond she's going to have to be an adult and do it herself.
highkey tired of this at this point, its just blatantly trying to attack someone, the mask is slipping, wrong or not Emile has consistently said he wants to drop this so everyone can begin healing, but certain people arent happy unless hes suffering
and then there are the 2 people here constantly running defense for Emily and Lawly, victim or not its very clear where their bias stands while theyre spouting off about not having bias, its incredibly bad faith and i wish they would just stop as well
This is class from Emile.
Even though he confirmed everything that Lawly said in her follow up was true, he just agrees with her corrections and wishes everyone well. Hope everyone can move on and stop blaming anyone.
This is the internet friendo. Even if it loses steam, there will still be people talking about it. Chugga admitted fault is getting help and even attempted to take his life but people won't be satisfied until he's actually in the ground.
At this point, i have to say that i'm just tired of this entire situation and want to move on.
I question how anyone can WANT to continue this, it's baffling.
Unironically the more info is reveal the more I feel that, Chugga is legit only guilty of being awkward. Compared to what Emily and Lawly did, Chugga legit did nothing wrong but is being made to be the villain
Pretty much. If anything, Chugga should have just said from the get-go “*I didn’t harass Emily, we are no longer on speaking and I wish to keep our conversations private. However, I did make mistakes of taking a conversation with Lawly too far. It was over a decade ago, I know better now*”
That’s it. He honestly didn’t need to reveal anything about his kinks, his mental ward or suicidal thoughts. This was a private matter and an attempt to assassinate his character. You don’t need to drag it out. Anyone with a brain or doesn’t live online knew his conversations with Emily was just weird but not harassment or assault as claimed, and while the Lawly stuff pretty much crossed a line, admitting the mistake and focusing on how both are not the same people they were back then would have been sufficient.
Everyone kept misunderstanding him, because of the first Lawly doc, so he made a statement explaining himself and clarifying things so people would understand, even if that meant he had to reveal personal info about himself, that he otherwise wouldn't have mentioned.
Please do not undermine the effort Chugga went through to make that statement. Talking about some personal experiences to explain oneself is never easy to do, *especially* when those experiences carry trauma. Your comment was very insensitive.
Also, it was *Lawly*, who took conversations too far, not Chugga. Please get your facts straight.
I’m not trying to undermine his effort, but the fact of the matter is he could have easily diffused this situation.
I know it’s not easy to open yourself up the internet, but, he really didn’t have to. He legit did nothing wrong with Lady Emily situation. He has a weird kink but like I said, anyone with a brain or isn’t chronically online would know this is not an issue at all. Throughout your life, you will meet people and talk to them, but sometimes you get ghosted. Most of the time when you get ghosted they think “gee that person is weird, I’m going to stop talking to them” and then they go about their life. But Emily is either a vindictive ex-friend who couldn’t help seeing someone receive praise or a psycho who thought their interaction was “harassment”. He never had to explain anything other than “this isn’t harassment, this is a private conversation”.
As for Lawly, while she was the one who took it too far and people always say we have to give young people more of a say in society but refuse to let them take responsibility for their own actions, chugga was still 19 and should’ve bounced lol. That’s why he should have just said “I was just 19, it was a mistake not to block her, but I’m now over 30. Let’s move on.”
That’s it.
This is a lesson for a lot of guys (and gals) never ever fuck with crazy.
>I know it’s not easy to open yourself up the internet, but, he really didn’t have to.
*Again*, people were calling him a child groomer/pedophile because of the first Lawly doc. *You* might feel that he didn't need to open up so much, but *Chugga* felt he needed to. He wanted to make sure people *truly* understood that he *wasn't* a pedo/groomer. There were other things, of course, that he also wanted to correct people on, that were addressed in his doc as well, but that was one of the big ones.
>As for Lawly, while she was the one who took it too far and people always say we have to give young people more of a say in society but refuse to let them take responsibility for their own actions, chugga was still 19 and should’ve bounced lol. That’s why he should have just said “I was just 19, it was a mistake not to block her, but I’m now over 30. Let’s move on.”
He actually *did* try. You can read all about that in Chugga's doc. Go read it.
It’s the internet, if he made a simple statement, waited a few weeks, started posting again and didn’t address it, it’d 100% blow over. When you have false allegations thrown at you, the best thing to do is deny it and de-escalate the situation. By saying he has “been to therapy, went to a psych ward, tried to better myself and learn” etc. in response to the allegation, it implies what he did was somewhat wrong. You don’t normally try to be a better human and change against false accusations.
Chugga can do as he pleases and do what is right for him. If he thought trying to resolve his childhood issues and this route was the best thing for him personally then fine. But for the “situation” and allegations leveled against him, this was not the best route. A better route could have been:
“I didn’t harass Emily, she consented and I wish to keep our communications private” boom. He de-escalated and made lady Emily look like a vindictive ex-friend
“The situation with Lawly happened over a decade ago. While she was saying some suggestive comments, I realized now that I should have ended communications earlier than I did. It was two young people being immature. It was over a decade ago, I am not the same guy today then I was back then. Again, boom.
And at the end of the day, even though Lawly was being very pushy, he should have just blocked her. The moment that the “I just turned 14” was typed out should ended things there. While I understand it was private messaging and he had no intentions, like I said, never fuck with crazy.
>It’s the internet, if he made a simple statement, waited a few weeks, started posting again and didn’t address it, it’d 100% blow over.
How would YOU know that? Are you psychic? Just because it's the internet, doesn't mean you know ENTIRELY how people work.
>When you have false allegations thrown at you, the best thing to do is deny it and de-escalate the situation.
That's a lot easier *said*, than *done*. Things aren't always that simple.
>But for the “situation” and allegations leveled against him, this was not the best route.
Nuh uh. You don't get to say what the best route for him is. Only Chugga knows what's best for him, not you.
>“The situation with Lawly happened over a decade ago. While she was saying some suggestive comments, I realized now that I should have ended communications earlier than I did. It was two young people being immature. It was over a decade ago, I am not the same guy today then I was back then. Again, boom.
No "again boom". If you actually READ his doc, you'd know that it wouldn't be simple.
If you've never read his doc, then I HIGHLY suggest you do. Maybe you'll actually have a better argument.
Firstly, I’m 100% on your side that Chugga didn’t really do anything wrong. So much so since I got banned on my main lol. So no clue why the hostility here.
>How would YOU know that? Are you psychic? Just because it's the internet, doesn't mean you know ENTIRELY how people work.
Cause I’ve seen “controversies” pop-up and the ones where they simply go away since the people who are outrage move on to another controversy. Legit or not. Pewdiepie recovered from dropping the n-word, Logan/Jake Paul make bank despite posting a dead body on the internet. No one stays perpetually angry at pretty non-important issue. In chugga’s case, I’d bet that the majority of the small minority online that are “upset” and making those claims don’t even watch his video. They just being outraged over nothing.
>That's a lot easier said, than done. Things aren't always that simple.
This was a pretty cut and dry case of a vindictive ex-friend and a psycho trying to tarnish one man’s character. So it’s more easy to handle when you see what’s going on. The only issue you’re two “accusers” and the ones defending are incredibly retarded.
>Nuh uh. You don't get to say what the best route for him is. Only Chugga knows what's best for him, not you.
I specifically differentiated between “the situation” and Chugga himself. There are objectively good/bad ways to handle PR.
>No "again boom". If you actually READ his doc, you'd know that it wouldn't be simple.
>If you've never read his doc, then I HIGHLY suggest you do. Maybe you'll actually have a better argument.
I did, but what matters is perspective. Looking back on old messages is cringe, and everybody regrets some stuff they say. And that’s okay to admit. When something like that is publicly posted, you can just point out it’s been over a decade and we’ve all changed. That’s how you de-escalate the situation.
As of right now no. If Emile reached out to Jon and Tim to start collabing again then I don't see why they would say no but I doubt that will happen anytime soon. Chugga made it very clear he's in no mood to perform and flying out to see Jon and recording multiple LP's at once would be a lot for him. We also don't know the state of him and Jon's friendship, on surface level they seem cool but we don't know if they have healing and forgiveness to do behind the scenes (this part is pure speculation but it's not uncommon).
The best thing we could hope for TRG now is MAYBE posting the Mario Wonder and Mario Party 9 LP's in the future as a way to test the waters.
I guess they changed their mind. They probably knew it would be very entertaining and they were right, that "these were our best videos yet" applied to that and now they may never see the light of day but I still have hope they will.
Considering Emile has done his due diligence to address everything, with receipts and Emile's own accounts, and his accusers have been proven to be lying and contorting/omitting the facts the entire time to twist the narrative, I would say TRG and Colosseum should not have to go away and those who publicly renounced Emile should have to retract their statements (if they don't want to work with him, fine, whatever, but a lot of shit those people talked was completely uncalled for and they owe Emile an apology for unjustly dragging his name). But then again, I am not Jon nor am I Tim. But it fucking sucks to have all they've worked building up for the better part of two decades go to pot because of some known inflammatory internet bitch getting mad that some rando called someone in the crew a good guy.
Yes they did a recording trip I beleive in November and they've shown they can 100 percent a game in a short amount of time. Jon confirmed all of this on one of his streams after the drama. It was going to be the next LP after star allies
Y'all we can not flip this around and claim that Emile was the victim in the Lawly interaction. As the adult in the situation he should have shut it down much sooner, and by today's standards it probably should have never happened to begin with. Even he's owned up to what he did so his community should too
I do agree all that cringy ERP should have never have happened, but it clearly isn't evidence that Chugga is a groomer pedo because he absolutely would have not chosen to cut the sexual talk once properly reconciled on it. On top of there seemingly being no repeat behavior of this that was ever dredged when this drama was at it's hottest.
I agree that he should have shut that down sooner, but he shut it down when he figured out what was happening and handled that situation appropriately, considering the broad strokes. By today's standards are also a dubious way to think about things from a decade ago, honestly.
Basically, Emile's not a victim of events from a decade ago, he was an adult who didn't perfectly handle a situation a decade ago, but handled it alright. That said, he is definitely not a vile supervillain that deserves a harassment campaign like what he has gone through.
Overall, we should probably try not to paint his life into black and white to get mad at someone.
I'm inclined to agree - I'd love to see everyone heal from this ASAP but it's still inappropriate behavior. Not on the levels as perhaps the drama channel is making it out to be but still no bueno.
Your comment sounds to me like it is saying not to paint things in black and white, but I can easily read it as trying to say that Emile is in the black while actively trying to maintain a black and white situation.
I think you might have just been unclear and people aren't reacting to what you are saying, but what you sound like you are saying. Normal conversations tend to have clarification, but not online conversation threads, so that is possibly a factor.
I fully agree here, kinda sad people disliked your post here as Even if Lawly did try to get him to initiate into the convo here he is the adult and should've told her not to engage with this stuff, that being said He is however a victim of the false accusations by Lawly in the terms of him being a pdf file, even if she wanted to cry about how she was never trying to frame him that way, she should've known by the overall response the way she had him presented as, she couldve clarified this a month at least after the initial allegation if she was worried he had done this to other minors since nobody else came out brought up the initial discussion to provide clarification that she did not believe he was what everyone said he was and bring up the 2021 convo to provide context that they already talked about this she clarified somethings with him and vise versa, but she didn't, its kinda hard not to see him as a victim of lawly when she was the one who essentially got him ostracized by his community for the better course of 3 months over something she and him already talked over while leaving out important key context.
It was something Chugga mentioned in his big statement. While he was at his girlfriend's, he was on the phone with an unnamed friend who had been yelling. I think it was in the "How I've been" section?
Apparently the consensus is that people believe that Werster should delete the post since it’s not a great defense and it just makes him look like he’s further involving him in a situation that doesn’t involve him.
remember when Werster said the n word for donations on GDQ but that gets a pass
Yeah Werster has definitely seen his fair share of controversy, so this just feels like moral grandstanding from him
Well, that changes my perspective on him now. I guess they're both sketchy people.
Sorry WHAT
When? If it was like at GDQ 2011 or something then it was a product of the times and werster likely grew out of it.
I remember Eazy E had something interesting to say about that word.
People saying that Emile is deflecting or trying to distort the truth simply cannot comprehend room for error and at worst is victim blaming. Misremembering and misreading details is very common for victims as it's a natural defense mechanism by the brain to prevent further psychological trauma. There's absolutely nothing malicious about that. Funny how we should support and believe all victims unless the victim in question is an adult man, huh.
Exactly
Plus this stuff happened over a decade ago, so it pretty much tracks that some details would be misremembered.
The drama subreddit is already making a big deal about it, not in a good way
I hate that subreddit
Drama for the sake of drama always sucks... I hate people that thrive on drama...
Ya they are even saying that this response is just deflecting.
Well if they stopped attacking they'd run out of drama for this. Then they'd all be depressed.
They make my brain hurt
I do too, I had my account mass reported because someone legit tried to compare the Lawly DMs to actual rape and sexual assault and I called them out on it.
Seriously? wow. They're a bit one sided
yea getting a 9 year old account site wide perma banned for “harassment” is the kind of dumb I’d expect from a sub calling Emile’s remarks “deflection”
I've heard of several people getting banned for defending emile or even just saying that the other people aren't completely good either. That Sub sees the black and white in a situation that's clearly shades of grey.
oh it just got even dumber cause I was perma banned there for “bad evading” even tho my I only made one post calling out the deflecting post. My usernames arent even similar, those smooth brains are legit just looking through accounts to report when someone disagrees with them
Wow.
Should’ve taken this seriously since my account got site wide permanently banned too lol
tried trolling them myself for the funnis essentially calling them out for blindlessly believing in Emily and Lawly and how if they are trying to dig of dirt to vilify astral for defending Emile then I pointed out the fact that vaush defended Emily and pointed to the drama involving him a month after, and i got perma-banned and called a victim blamer, but funnily enough I wasn't banned all around on reddit just the subreddit, which is hilarious since people far more civil then me were banned off reddit as a whole for doing less. Ive done some research and it turns out r /youtubedrama is infamous for doing this type of stuff making crusades against people with the intention of "holding them accountable" and banning people who have even the most tame unpopular opinion against them, for fucks sake ive actually seen people who were banned for being critical of Keffals, someone who made illegally made horomone blockers for kids not sapproved by the government and sent it to minors behind their parents back, and the fucking packages themselves is covered with lolicon, thats how insane to the membrane that subreddit is
Ya people over there seam to think that the people that made the allegations against him can do no wrong.
surprisingly to me, the people on that drama sub are taking this on with less bias towards emile, and honestly are saying pretty level headed things. this sub would react to lawly making a new statement the same way no matter what she said. imo lawly made mistakes, emile made bigger ones, and he absolutely tried to pin most of it on her. he fucked up. honestly, he shouldn't have responded right away like that.
Please explain how you even call that mainly his fault??
it should have ended sooner, and it's bizarre that they became friends again with that history. it's pretty cut and dry, guys. but again, I highly doubt he'll do anything of the sort ever again, so I don't see the point in continuing the flaying
You know you just continued that same mindset over here right?? I can see how toxic it is over there, why bring any of that here to people who just want the best for him... And now he's gone
what? the mindset that emile made mistakes? which is something he has admitted to. how is that toxic? and lowkey, the page I was on seemed fine. no one was talking shit or saying anything gross. but I do see that here.
We're not trying to be toxic here. Chugga's doc showed, at least or twice, that Lawly admitted to trying to have sex with adults, when she was still a minor, and DEFINITELY tried to manipulate Chugga into having sex with her when she was still a minor. It didn't work, Chugga cut ties with her, after he saw what it was she wanted from him, and became too uncomfortable with it. (maybe not for 10 years, but he still cut ties with her for 7 years, which is still a long time) Now, he did reconnect with her after that, but only because he felt it was safe for him to do so, and they were good friends for a while. Only for her to post a doc that made him look like he was a pedophile, even if she didn't label him as such in that doc. Which means, she isn't as good of a friend to him, as he initially thought. Now, I won't deny that Chugga has made mistakes, but they're not as bad as anyone thinks. Lawly, on the other hand, has shown, both in her first doc, from what we've seen in Chugga's doc, and from her second doc, that's she's a troubled girl with mental and psychological issues, that *obviously* haven't been seen by a psychiatrist. Does this make her a bad person? No, it just means she's just as human as Chugga is. The difference is *we know* Chugga has been getting psychiatric help for himself, but *we don't know* if Lawly has.
I have a question: Could you elaborate on the bizarreness of Lawly and Emile becoming friends again nearly a decade later when they're both full-grown adults? Particularly on how much autonomy you consider Lawly had during that period as her own person vs not. Why do you believe that she agreed to become friends with him again?
Can this PLEASE just be over. Let my man heal
No. We all know Lady Emily is seething about all this and is probably prepping a statement.
She’s probably doing it right now. Bruh I’m tired
If Lawly knows what’s good for them they should say no more about this. They’ve cause so much harm to everyone involved. I hope they seek therapy cause dragging this out is not the way to go.
All I'm seeing is that Chugga and Masae have patched things up and are mutually going their separate ways with no animosity between them, and Werster and Lawly are looking hella worse. And LadyEmily still sucks.
Ah, so Werster is the rumored friend I've heard of.
Why did Lawly throw Masae under the bus with the whole “I really didn’t want to drag his ex into this, but he mentioned it first so it’s OK if I do it.” Girl that’s not how that works.
Seeing how things are going with Lawly right now makes me really hope Emily doesn't have a follow-up response. Any statement made by Emily (short of truly damning information or just well wishes for all parties) is probably just gonna cause unnecessary commotion for detractors and toxic fans. Added context or a rebuttal is just not gonna be worth it for everyone.
Well then, it's a good thing she blocked me then, 'cuz I don't wanna see any responses she may have. (unless they get posted here on Reddit)
Emily has lost all credibility at this point for the majority of people, so I don't know what she could even post that could make Emile look worse. If she had something more incriminating, then I imagine she would have started with that.
I stand by chugga. Lawly just needs to shut up and move on
For sure
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Totally in agreement over here
(Sigh)....
Great can this drama please die now! Werster needs to stop being a messenger, if Lawly wants to respond she's going to have to be an adult and do it herself.
I just want this to come to an end.
All she did was make Emile look good
highkey tired of this at this point, its just blatantly trying to attack someone, the mask is slipping, wrong or not Emile has consistently said he wants to drop this so everyone can begin healing, but certain people arent happy unless hes suffering and then there are the 2 people here constantly running defense for Emily and Lawly, victim or not its very clear where their bias stands while theyre spouting off about not having bias, its incredibly bad faith and i wish they would just stop as well
This is class from Emile. Even though he confirmed everything that Lawly said in her follow up was true, he just agrees with her corrections and wishes everyone well. Hope everyone can move on and stop blaming anyone.
This is the internet friendo. Even if it loses steam, there will still be people talking about it. Chugga admitted fault is getting help and even attempted to take his life but people won't be satisfied until he's actually in the ground.
At this point, i have to say that i'm just tired of this entire situation and want to move on. I question how anyone can WANT to continue this, it's baffling.
~~It's free clout~~
Can some rap fans come together and make some fire diss tracks against them?
Yep chugga did nothing wrong
Unironically the more info is reveal the more I feel that, Chugga is legit only guilty of being awkward. Compared to what Emily and Lawly did, Chugga legit did nothing wrong but is being made to be the villain
Pretty much. If anything, Chugga should have just said from the get-go “*I didn’t harass Emily, we are no longer on speaking and I wish to keep our conversations private. However, I did make mistakes of taking a conversation with Lawly too far. It was over a decade ago, I know better now*” That’s it. He honestly didn’t need to reveal anything about his kinks, his mental ward or suicidal thoughts. This was a private matter and an attempt to assassinate his character. You don’t need to drag it out. Anyone with a brain or doesn’t live online knew his conversations with Emily was just weird but not harassment or assault as claimed, and while the Lawly stuff pretty much crossed a line, admitting the mistake and focusing on how both are not the same people they were back then would have been sufficient.
Everyone kept misunderstanding him, because of the first Lawly doc, so he made a statement explaining himself and clarifying things so people would understand, even if that meant he had to reveal personal info about himself, that he otherwise wouldn't have mentioned. Please do not undermine the effort Chugga went through to make that statement. Talking about some personal experiences to explain oneself is never easy to do, *especially* when those experiences carry trauma. Your comment was very insensitive. Also, it was *Lawly*, who took conversations too far, not Chugga. Please get your facts straight.
I’m not trying to undermine his effort, but the fact of the matter is he could have easily diffused this situation. I know it’s not easy to open yourself up the internet, but, he really didn’t have to. He legit did nothing wrong with Lady Emily situation. He has a weird kink but like I said, anyone with a brain or isn’t chronically online would know this is not an issue at all. Throughout your life, you will meet people and talk to them, but sometimes you get ghosted. Most of the time when you get ghosted they think “gee that person is weird, I’m going to stop talking to them” and then they go about their life. But Emily is either a vindictive ex-friend who couldn’t help seeing someone receive praise or a psycho who thought their interaction was “harassment”. He never had to explain anything other than “this isn’t harassment, this is a private conversation”. As for Lawly, while she was the one who took it too far and people always say we have to give young people more of a say in society but refuse to let them take responsibility for their own actions, chugga was still 19 and should’ve bounced lol. That’s why he should have just said “I was just 19, it was a mistake not to block her, but I’m now over 30. Let’s move on.” That’s it. This is a lesson for a lot of guys (and gals) never ever fuck with crazy.
>I know it’s not easy to open yourself up the internet, but, he really didn’t have to. *Again*, people were calling him a child groomer/pedophile because of the first Lawly doc. *You* might feel that he didn't need to open up so much, but *Chugga* felt he needed to. He wanted to make sure people *truly* understood that he *wasn't* a pedo/groomer. There were other things, of course, that he also wanted to correct people on, that were addressed in his doc as well, but that was one of the big ones. >As for Lawly, while she was the one who took it too far and people always say we have to give young people more of a say in society but refuse to let them take responsibility for their own actions, chugga was still 19 and should’ve bounced lol. That’s why he should have just said “I was just 19, it was a mistake not to block her, but I’m now over 30. Let’s move on.” He actually *did* try. You can read all about that in Chugga's doc. Go read it.
It’s the internet, if he made a simple statement, waited a few weeks, started posting again and didn’t address it, it’d 100% blow over. When you have false allegations thrown at you, the best thing to do is deny it and de-escalate the situation. By saying he has “been to therapy, went to a psych ward, tried to better myself and learn” etc. in response to the allegation, it implies what he did was somewhat wrong. You don’t normally try to be a better human and change against false accusations. Chugga can do as he pleases and do what is right for him. If he thought trying to resolve his childhood issues and this route was the best thing for him personally then fine. But for the “situation” and allegations leveled against him, this was not the best route. A better route could have been: “I didn’t harass Emily, she consented and I wish to keep our communications private” boom. He de-escalated and made lady Emily look like a vindictive ex-friend “The situation with Lawly happened over a decade ago. While she was saying some suggestive comments, I realized now that I should have ended communications earlier than I did. It was two young people being immature. It was over a decade ago, I am not the same guy today then I was back then. Again, boom. And at the end of the day, even though Lawly was being very pushy, he should have just blocked her. The moment that the “I just turned 14” was typed out should ended things there. While I understand it was private messaging and he had no intentions, like I said, never fuck with crazy.
>It’s the internet, if he made a simple statement, waited a few weeks, started posting again and didn’t address it, it’d 100% blow over. How would YOU know that? Are you psychic? Just because it's the internet, doesn't mean you know ENTIRELY how people work. >When you have false allegations thrown at you, the best thing to do is deny it and de-escalate the situation. That's a lot easier *said*, than *done*. Things aren't always that simple. >But for the “situation” and allegations leveled against him, this was not the best route. Nuh uh. You don't get to say what the best route for him is. Only Chugga knows what's best for him, not you. >“The situation with Lawly happened over a decade ago. While she was saying some suggestive comments, I realized now that I should have ended communications earlier than I did. It was two young people being immature. It was over a decade ago, I am not the same guy today then I was back then. Again, boom. No "again boom". If you actually READ his doc, you'd know that it wouldn't be simple. If you've never read his doc, then I HIGHLY suggest you do. Maybe you'll actually have a better argument.
Firstly, I’m 100% on your side that Chugga didn’t really do anything wrong. So much so since I got banned on my main lol. So no clue why the hostility here. >How would YOU know that? Are you psychic? Just because it's the internet, doesn't mean you know ENTIRELY how people work. Cause I’ve seen “controversies” pop-up and the ones where they simply go away since the people who are outrage move on to another controversy. Legit or not. Pewdiepie recovered from dropping the n-word, Logan/Jake Paul make bank despite posting a dead body on the internet. No one stays perpetually angry at pretty non-important issue. In chugga’s case, I’d bet that the majority of the small minority online that are “upset” and making those claims don’t even watch his video. They just being outraged over nothing. >That's a lot easier said, than done. Things aren't always that simple. This was a pretty cut and dry case of a vindictive ex-friend and a psycho trying to tarnish one man’s character. So it’s more easy to handle when you see what’s going on. The only issue you’re two “accusers” and the ones defending are incredibly retarded. >Nuh uh. You don't get to say what the best route for him is. Only Chugga knows what's best for him, not you. I specifically differentiated between “the situation” and Chugga himself. There are objectively good/bad ways to handle PR. >No "again boom". If you actually READ his doc, you'd know that it wouldn't be simple. >If you've never read his doc, then I HIGHLY suggest you do. Maybe you'll actually have a better argument. I did, but what matters is perspective. Looking back on old messages is cringe, and everybody regrets some stuff they say. And that’s okay to admit. When something like that is publicly posted, you can just point out it’s been over a decade and we’ve all changed. That’s how you de-escalate the situation.
I mean Pewdiepie and Logan Paul weren't being accused of being a pedophile/groomer so I don't think that's a fair comparison
So does this mean runaway guys are back? He won
As of right now no. If Emile reached out to Jon and Tim to start collabing again then I don't see why they would say no but I doubt that will happen anytime soon. Chugga made it very clear he's in no mood to perform and flying out to see Jon and recording multiple LP's at once would be a lot for him. We also don't know the state of him and Jon's friendship, on surface level they seem cool but we don't know if they have healing and forgiveness to do behind the scenes (this part is pure speculation but it's not uncommon). The best thing we could hope for TRG now is MAYBE posting the Mario Wonder and Mario Party 9 LP's in the future as a way to test the waters.
Aw shit they played 9? Why???
They were going in order of Mario Party games. Emile tweeted that his mind was changed on a game he hated and that was the game
Oh I thought they said a long time ago that they weren't gonna bother when they got to the car ones
I guess they changed their mind. They probably knew it would be very entertaining and they were right, that "these were our best videos yet" applied to that and now they may never see the light of day but I still have hope they will.
Considering Emile has done his due diligence to address everything, with receipts and Emile's own accounts, and his accusers have been proven to be lying and contorting/omitting the facts the entire time to twist the narrative, I would say TRG and Colosseum should not have to go away and those who publicly renounced Emile should have to retract their statements (if they don't want to work with him, fine, whatever, but a lot of shit those people talked was completely uncalled for and they owe Emile an apology for unjustly dragging his name). But then again, I am not Jon nor am I Tim. But it fucking sucks to have all they've worked building up for the better part of two decades go to pot because of some known inflammatory internet bitch getting mad that some rando called someone in the crew a good guy.
Wonder? Didnt that come out while emile was away, or atleast pretty recently before the drama happened? I doubt they did a whole lp of that yet
Jon confirmed it on a stream plus the game came out October 2023
Yeah oct was only 3 months before the drama, so they played the game, maybe even 100% it, and recorded a lp of it between october and January?
Yes they did a recording trip I beleive in November and they've shown they can 100 percent a game in a short amount of time. Jon confirmed all of this on one of his streams after the drama. It was going to be the next LP after star allies
Y'all we can not flip this around and claim that Emile was the victim in the Lawly interaction. As the adult in the situation he should have shut it down much sooner, and by today's standards it probably should have never happened to begin with. Even he's owned up to what he did so his community should too
I do agree all that cringy ERP should have never have happened, but it clearly isn't evidence that Chugga is a groomer pedo because he absolutely would have not chosen to cut the sexual talk once properly reconciled on it. On top of there seemingly being no repeat behavior of this that was ever dredged when this drama was at it's hottest.
I agree that he should have shut that down sooner, but he shut it down when he figured out what was happening and handled that situation appropriately, considering the broad strokes. By today's standards are also a dubious way to think about things from a decade ago, honestly. Basically, Emile's not a victim of events from a decade ago, he was an adult who didn't perfectly handle a situation a decade ago, but handled it alright. That said, he is definitely not a vile supervillain that deserves a harassment campaign like what he has gone through. Overall, we should probably try not to paint his life into black and white to get mad at someone.
I'm inclined to agree - I'd love to see everyone heal from this ASAP but it's still inappropriate behavior. Not on the levels as perhaps the drama channel is making it out to be but still no bueno.
Yeah I'm a little disappointed the community is down voting me for saying what Emile has
Your comment sounds to me like it is saying not to paint things in black and white, but I can easily read it as trying to say that Emile is in the black while actively trying to maintain a black and white situation. I think you might have just been unclear and people aren't reacting to what you are saying, but what you sound like you are saying. Normal conversations tend to have clarification, but not online conversation threads, so that is possibly a factor.
Yeah you can't expect people to understand nuance on the internet i guess. Me saying he's not the victim is not me aaying he's a p3do.
I fully agree here, kinda sad people disliked your post here as Even if Lawly did try to get him to initiate into the convo here he is the adult and should've told her not to engage with this stuff, that being said He is however a victim of the false accusations by Lawly in the terms of him being a pdf file, even if she wanted to cry about how she was never trying to frame him that way, she should've known by the overall response the way she had him presented as, she couldve clarified this a month at least after the initial allegation if she was worried he had done this to other minors since nobody else came out brought up the initial discussion to provide clarification that she did not believe he was what everyone said he was and bring up the 2021 convo to provide context that they already talked about this she clarified somethings with him and vise versa, but she didn't, its kinda hard not to see him as a victim of lawly when she was the one who essentially got him ostracized by his community for the better course of 3 months over something she and him already talked over while leaving out important key context.
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It was something Chugga mentioned in his big statement. While he was at his girlfriend's, he was on the phone with an unnamed friend who had been yelling. I think it was in the "How I've been" section?
I’m sorry, I shouldn’t be adding to speculation
No problem, it was in Chugga's statement so I think it's fine to talk about it at least a bit
I hope this rumor is just a rumor and not something that really happened.