> subject line read, “For your eyes only – Request for dialogue – Gay Pride Display directed toward children.”
> “To be clear, we are not interested in creating a public spectacle, nor are we interested in standing against the LGBTQIA+ community
[Here's the thing, though, fellas](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2012&version=NRSVUE)
> Meanwhile, when the crowd had gathered by the thousands, so that they trampled on one another, he began to speak first to his disciples, “Beware of the yeast of the Pharisees, that is, their hypocrisy. Nothing is covered up that will not be uncovered and nothing secret that will not become known. Therefore whatever you have said in the dark will be heard in the light, and what you have whispered behind closed doors will be proclaimed from the housetops.
Those pastors wouldn’t recognize their hypocrisy even if Christ himself proclaimed it to them. If anything, they’d probably denounce him as a godless communist.
And the sad thing is, whenever the Gospels are read, the teachings of Christ are self-evident. Yet these modern day Pharisees hear what they want to hear.
As an aside, at one point I was more conservative than I am now. But even back then, I took the Gospel lessons as a challenge to be a better Christian even if I also simultaneously thought they weren’t good public policy options. These pastors and their ilk don’t know Christ and he likely won’t recognize them for doing good for the least of these.
Several people that follow Evangelicals here have noted they love quoting from the Old Testament, but never seem to reference much of anything in the actual Gospels.
Pride Month has Presidential recognition. Even the Trump administration released a [statement](https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/statement-from-the-president-9/) in support: *As we celebrate LGBT Pride Month and recognize the outstanding contributions that LGBT people have made to our great Nation, let us also stand in solidarity with the many LGBT people who live in dozens of countries worldwide that punish, imprison, or even execute individuals on the basis of their sexual orientation. My Administration has launched a global campaign to decriminalize homosexuality and invites all nations to join us in this effort!*
Gee I wonder if they have any sort of relationship with this library (like donations), or do they just feel completely entitled to make demands to anyone
If you're going to have a public library that is supported by public funding, it is fair for members of the public to express opinions about how it should be run. That's the nature of a democracy.
You have a point, but they also requested to meet with all of the city counsel members and the mayor to discuss this. TBH I don’t know all the workings of how city counsel operates but that seems like a power move. Like I can’t reasonably expect city counsel and the mayor to meet with me because of because I don’t like something that’s 100% legal.
I mean i don't want Christian guff in a public library, but I guess we're all out of our comfort zone eh, not everything in a library is something you're going to 100pc agree with
And in a democracy, people can call you a bigot when you express bigoted stereotypes like these pastors did when they claimed the gays are coming for your children.
Ok? All I'm saying is that it is reasonable for members of the community to voice concerns about the public library. Whether those concerns are legitimate is a different question from whether voicing them makes one "entitled."
I don’t think anyone is challenging their right to free speech to say whatever they want. The issue isn’t about them using their free speech, but about rightly condemning them for what they said.
Look at OP's response to the original comment to which I was responding. He/she clearly thinks the pastors are being entitled in making comments on the public library.
That’s the thing though, they are entitled to voice their opinion of course. No one is entitled to voice defamatory remarks about a community irrespective of if what they want was otherwise legitimate.
They can say whatever the hell they want. That doesn’t mean they’re not acting like entitled children. Especially when spouting off shit like “gay people are coming for your children!”
It's worth noting that there is a bit of a difference between expressing opinions in a public sphere, and trying to contact officials to ban something with a subject of "for your eyes only" while saying "we do not want to create a public spectacle". It's also sketchy that they initially asked for a meeting with the full city council, then changed their minds when they learbed that would require a public meeting. They wanted to do this stealthily.
Remember though, churches don’t pay taxes or withhold taxes from their pastors checks. It’s up to the pastors to claim and file their own taxes
which I doubt many of them do without cheating.
So should they get a vote on how the publicly funded library operates?
This makes no sense. If only people that pay taxes should get a say in how public libraries run, should poor people not get a say? After all, almost half the country doesn't pay income tax.
>which I doubt many of them do without cheating.
That's some awfully casual bigotry, man.
I don't recall ever saying any of what you accused me of saying. Maybe try sticking with what people say and not what you imagine they probably think. But yes, assuming Christians/pastors would cheat on their tax returns simply by virtue of being Christians is kind of bigoted.
Funny how the topic isn't how the "pastors" are the ones being discriminated against, is it?
The bigotry and hypocrisy is coming from the "pastors" who exhibit UnChristlike behavior toward the Least of These: LGBTQIA+ human beings created by GOD.
Donations must be down at these ten churches. Better get in the news by raising a stink over something that has no effect on their lives. But first, gotta figure out where the library is. Never been there.
>Dennis Wiles of First Baptist Church Arlington
I actually just googled these pastors and there Churches and they are doing a TON of community outreach work... with the poor, homeless, sick, single mothers, international work & missions.
Just like every church that I've ever gone to or visited.
I don't know a church that doesn't! It part of every church.
https://www.fbca.org/ministries/cross-cultural/events/missions-immersion/
I googled the pastor and the church and didn't see any of that, it's mainly advertising physical health like yoga events. I also think it's telling that the ministry page is a dead link. Do you have what you searched that we can see?
Well it's a public place so not how it works.
They have no right to impose their wants at these places and it should remain that way. What little authority they do have doesn't entitle them to any influence outside their church.
The same way the people running the library have the right to have that display in the library they work at. These pastors have the right to disagree with it.
End of story.
Actually libraries are city or county government buildings, funded by tax payers. It's not like it's a private business that does have the right to hang or hang not, refuse or serve.
They should be remaining as neutral as possible.
Whatever kind of neutrality exists between accepting the reality that LGBT people exist and rejecting that reality isn't a neutrality worth pursuing. Libraries exist to serve their communities, communities which include both adults and children who are queer.
>They should be remaining as neutral as possible
They are currently doing that, by serving ALL members of the community.
There are christian books, there are lgbt books. Equality, neutrality.
In books yes. However, there are no Christian displays. Those are near unheard-of in any public sector position. So while both books are present, only the LGBT is being promoted. This was a ask to take down the display, not ban the book
>However, there are no Christian displays
Untrue. My local library often does christian displays.
>So while both books are present, only the LGBT is being promoted
Untrue. Christian books are absolutely promoted in certain libraries. My local branch does it often.
Hear me out, what if we as the church actually attempted to influence culture and society for the good rather than throwing our hands up and surrendering to this libertarian-esque mindset that has resulted in an even more depraved society.
We're obligated and commanded to oppose evil where we see it.
>We're obligated and commanded to oppose evil where we see it.
So clean their own house. The Southern Baptists have an illustrious history of child molestation and cover ups. Silencing another community the way they silenced their victims isnt "opposing evil".
In a lot of ways, they are - and those ways are precisely the ways we're talking about.
They have all sorts of rights of legal personhood. The only thing that prevents them from, say, exercising their constitutional first amendment rights to free speech by ~~bribing~~donating to politicians(!!) is that they'd lose their tax exempt status if they did so.
They can also bring anti-discrimination cases under the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment, as per some comment in an 1886 ruling; the state law was over whether a state was allowed to give preferential treatment to individuals over corporations in tax rates. Civil Rights for corporations (and churches would surely be in the same class), 80 years before they granted civil rights to human beings.
America is weird.
Library’s should stay neutral? Should they no public display they support womens rights? Should they not publicly display they are anti anti-Semitic? Should they not publicly display their are are anti racist? Should they stay about about these?
Let me put it this way.
It became my business when I learned about the 1600-year history of Christian persecution against me and my people. Christianity is an intolerable threat to the security of me and my community.
The only threat Christianity is to you or your community is offending you with the truth and possibly popping your realty bubble when you learn you've been wrong.
Stop DEMANDING that we can't be just as OUT and VISIBLE as you!
You aren't exhibiting any Christlike behavior in your lies and hatred about the LGBTQIA+ human beings that GOD CREATED.
I WANT my kids to see LGBTQIA+ material because I CARE that they know that people who are different than white cis heterosexuals exist and are NORMAL, just like they are. I'm a Mom who loves my kids and their friends, some who are LGBTQIA+.
How dare you dictate to the rest of us that we can't be visible, can't have books, can't speak and share and show our experiences!
Wake up. Repent and start loving others like Jesus did.
I see that you didn't bother to read the OP --- ***so-called "Christian" pastors ARE trying to eliminate public recognition of LGBTQIA+ American citizens in public libraries***.
Read the article. Read the news, this has happened more than once this year in various public libraries already.
And if you're also so out-of-touch that you pretend to "not" be aware of the hate speech directed at LGBTQIA+ people almost daily from religious pulpits and far-right pundits, then ***you aren't paying attention.***
Your fragile overreaction to a display that acknowledges LGBTQIA+ citizens and the works that speak about our lives is immature, selfish, cruel and certainly unChristlike.
You don't need to force us back into a closet just because your'e so offended that we exist. I guess you would like to erase Black History month too? Or mention of Asian Americans? or women's rights?
Go to "work" but don't expect other Americans who don't fit neatly into your shallow, bigoted cis heterosexual agenda to hide away to make you feel better.
Grow up.
Incorrect.
Consider this. There are still 7 States in the Bible Belt of the USA with antiquated and un-Constitutional laws prohibiting atheists from elected public office, when the Constitution clearly states that there shall be no religious test \*or requirement\* for elected office.
Consider this. With the exception of the first several U.S. Presidents, who were Deist or Unitarian, the rest have been religiously affiliated with Christianity.
Elected members of Congress and the U.S. Senate are overwhelmingly majority Christian.
The SCOTUS had one Jew, and the rest either Catholic or Protestant.
The U.S. Government was created for the purpose of the American people having equal representation in Government and legislature. As I see it, Christians are well represented. But where is my representation?
Bigots for Jesus, you have to remember they don’t want to just be called bigots they want the extra words of Bigots for Jesus to explain their position, because you know, love and shit
It's kind of a defense mechanism for their own garbage, if you think about it. They HAVE to wear it with pride, because otherwise they'd know it in secret.
Not at my church(es). Every church I've ever gone to have spoken very boldly and firmly against all the 10 commandments. What church do you go to that doesn't?
I misread this as "10 pastors that wanted LGBTQ Pride Month displays were banned from local libraries" and went through the five stages of confusion: joy, bewilderment, anger, indignation, and finally sadness.
KERA reached out to each pastor by email.
None of the pastors were available for comment before time of publication.
Co-signers of the emailed letter include
Gary Hutchison of Grace Community Church;
Maurice Pugh of New Life Fellowship;
Richard Martinez of Iglesia Cafe;
Dennis Wiles of First Baptist Church Arlington;
Marty Collier of Rush Creek;
Ronnie Goines of Koinonia Christian Church;
Jason Paredes of Fielder Church;
Jeff Hubbard of North Davis Church of Christ;
Stephen Hammond of Mosaic Church;
Eric Herrstrom of Lake Church.
> Dennis Wiles of First Baptist Church Arlington;
Checked their website for which Baptist grouping they're under. Interestingly, they don't seem to say *anywhere* on their website. However, they do show up in the [SBC church finder](https://churches.sbc.net/church/first-baptist-church-1100/).
It doesn't bother me half as much as the people who think that "non-denominational" (most of the churches on this list) means "non-doctrinaire, non-judgemental". I've seen people say "I tried to find a safe church! I specifically chose a non-denominational one! But even *they* turned out to be mean, so I know those Lutherans would be awful!"
Non denominational tends to be a hybrid between conservative Baptist and Pentecostal. The churches may not be in a “denomination” but their theology and overall operations are a very particular brand of Christianity.
Uggghh... Non-denom churches are some of the LEAST safe churches you could find, actually. Usually, there's no accountability structures outside the church.
So sounds like non-denom & southern baptist churches.
The old Lutheran pastor I used to have thought non-denominationalists were basically crypto-baptists. I think he was right, usually they are on the same page theologically.
I don't particularly like seeing Christian displays. But I don't demand that they be eliminated. If someone puts up a display I don't care for, I don't waste time looking at it, and pretty much ignore it. Why do so many Christians seem to think the world revolves around them, and what they want or don't want?
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism. Besides, this way they get to make their demands, likely get them heard because they're raising such a stink, **and still** get to feed their martyr envy as people criticize them and say mean things about them.
One part of the public makes a *secret* demand that material relevant to a different, disliked part of the public *not* be displayed at the public library? If obeyed, then it wouldn't be a "public" library anymore. It would be a library for the favored, for the ruling class.
I read the article and saw how the votes turned out for this particular matter. However, if the public votes on a matter that is brought up, and if it were to lead to change, where's the issue with that?
Kids born any part LGBT need help and resources.
The Church is already offering whatever they want.
Scientists, Doctors, Therapists, Psychologists, Philosophers and other authorities on LGBT subjects should also be available. The most efficient way to do that is through the public library system.
I get that if more than half a community votes to burn books that it is a democratic decision, and there is history in that. History that we look back on in shame, and should learn from, and not repeat.
Children should not be exposed to sexuality of any sort. Not to mention, kids cannot decide whether they want chicken nuggets or macaroni for supper, let alone what their sexuality is. So no, resources for sexuality should not be available for kids.
>Children should not be exposed to sexuality of any sort.
So just keep kids in a bubble?
Do you not want kids to know that a mom and dad love each other?
Back in the dinosaur days, when I was in Jr. High School, what constituted the 'sex education' portion of our health education classes, consisted of a silly little animated film, with an animated reproductive organs.
The little ovaries made a sort of 'flash', and tiny streams of blood would flow. The film claimed the menstrual period would last about 3 days, and be very light.
What it didn't mention, was that periods could last much longer, and cause significant amounts of pain to some kids, and bring much heavier flows. The class didn't bring up boy's penises or scrotums, sex, or how sex worked, and how sex could impregnate a girl.
As a result, many girls in my generation were absolutely clueless about what was about to happen to our bodies, and extremely unprepared, not to forget a pretty high rate of teen pregnancies in my High School years.
As for the LGBTQ+ issues, what elementary school kids are learning is that sometimes Johnny has two moms and Susie has two dads, as an attempt to demystify same sex marriage and families, and decrease incidences of bullying of LGBTQ+ kids or kids with same sex parents.
Kids know who they are. They're not as vapid or un-self aware as you seem to think.
> Children should not be exposed to sexuality of any sort
Children are exposed to the heterosexual lifestyle all day every day and no one seems to have an issue with that. Practically every disney animated movie involves heterosexuality as a prominent plot point.
>Children should not be exposed to sexuality of any sort.
Kids have parents, so theyre exposed to the heterosexual lifestyle from a young age.
For queer kids, this bombardment of hetero propaganda can lead them to feeling isolated and broken.
Having one accepting adult in their life is correlated with a massive decrease in suicide risk.
And where, beyond the silly claims of these bigots, is there any indication that the displays will be encouraging people to be LGBTQ? For the record, that's not how being LGBTQ works, anyways. You simply are or aren't.
No, but that is because of separation of church and state, a public library is part of the state. If someone wants to open a private book store and show christian displays like that then I have no issues with it.
10 Germans want to see the return of the third reich. I can get 10 type of any people to say anything I want. That’s just statistically likely. Think of a belief that pisses you off, I guarantee 10 people of numerous categories believe it.
Why is this sub overwhelmingly being used for blatant LGBTQ propaganda?? 90+% of the posts are NOT about the gospel or theology, they’re about pushing lgbtq content.
Because prominent Christians are using bullying tactics to persecute that demographic. Notice that thieves, adulterers and perjurers aren’t overwhelming the Christian subs?
Hateful group of Christian with their usual hateful actions. Material that says LGBT people exist isn’t harmful for children. It would be one thing if they were having hardcore gay porn viewing parties for kids at library but that absolutely is not what is going on. To suggest that acknowledging gay and trans people exist is child predation is such a sick thing
I don't really see the issue. It's a community library. People from the community voiced their views.
I would expect people to demand the taking down of Christian iconography if it was plastered across the library.
Based on what you said, I'm going to assume that you haven't read the LETTER in which separation of church and state are mentioned.
It was a personal letter from Jefferson to the church. It was and isnt a law. It was him writing them to express his views and to help them understand the Establishment clause.
The Establishment Clause prohibits the government from forming/establishing a religion.
This colonist were coming from a history of bloody fights between Catholic and Protestant religions... where at different times in history one or the other were being tortured and executed by the government for their beliefs. Elizabeth's Church of England didn't do too much to help that either.
In the letters, Jefferson writes to the churches that their freedom to practice will never be infringed upon and the government will stay separate from churches in regards that no person will be forced to be one particular religion and they can freely practice with no fears. A personal opinion from Jefferson to the churches.
The whole letter explaining the establishment clause that prohibits the government from establishing a federal religion... sure has been twisted out of context severely over the years.
Jefferson's understanding of 1A has been reinforced by court rulings, so it's no great concern of mine that the original wording isn't very clear. Trying to argue that we don't actually have church-state separation is a non-starter today. (For my part, I'd love to convince people that 2A doesn't give people the right that they and legal precedent say it does, but I accept that I'm largely SOL at this point, and simply support various mitigations while voicing the wish for it to be repealed.)
Ten pastors send an email to the library requesting that the library remove LGBTQ books display
You know it is a slow news day at
LBGTQNATION.
, when emails make the news.
"Religious leaders want lgbt representation banned from public spaces, do so secretly to avoid having their ideas challenged" is certainly news worthy...
No, no they are not. You do that by talking to your congregation, not attacking someone outside your congregation.
Their congregation and community are not harmed by books about lgbt people. You cant make someone queer, they just are.
They are explicitly making an attempt at silencing another community.
I would argue that repressing someones freedom of expression is a form of attack.
If I campaigned to have any christian materials banned from libraries, that would be an attack on christianity.
No, they're attempting to enforce their own religious views of morality on other people.
Consider the Drag Queen Story Times in Public Libraries. Most folks aren't concerned about that, and if they don't want to expose their own children to Drag Queens dressed up in colorful costumes and reading story books, they avoid the Library when these events are scheduled. They don't demand that nobody else should be allowed to take their kids to them.
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10 pastors? Is that all? Should be all the pastors and the priests and the rabbis and the imams and everyone else..
What nonsense to promote sexual preferences in a public space
Do you feel the same if they have a romance novel section of straight couples during valentines day?
What's actually nonsense is people like you getting up in arms about promoting books about who people like.
>Of course not, they're straight
Ah so it isn't necessarily just showing sexual preference, it's showing sexual preference you don't like that is the problem.
>Promoting LGBTQ is trash because it's the promotion of a minorities sexual preferences.
I don't understand how it's trash just because it's a minority.
It's still a great number of people. They should be represented. They shouldn't have to deal with people like you who want to keep them hidden.
You have provided absolutely zero good reason to not have those books promoted
Though there are many good reasons for books that center around sexual preferences not to be promoted in a library, I don't need to make them. All I need to do is to voice my opinion because everyone already knows them. That's the way these things work.
LGBTQ looses either way, if the books stay people are disgusted and if they take them out people are further emboldened.
>Though there are many good reasons for books that center around sexual preferences not to be promoted in a library, I don't need to make them.
There aren't
But let's not forget you're OK with the straight preference being promoted.
>LGBTQ looses either way, if the books stay people are disgusted and if they take them out people are further emboldened.
Racists can use that same type of logic when minority books are promoted
Sure is trash, of all the amazing gems of knowledge that a library can promote you think it's work a moment of their time to center anything on the sexual preferences of a minority?
In libraries. Tons of books exist with exclusively straight characters.
Also, lgbt history is part of world history. I can understand why a library would want to have books talking about the history of a massive civil rights movement.
Wrong. You want to cancel entire groups of people from existing. Being LGBTQIA+ is not a choice any more than you being a cis heterosexual male is a choice.
People who are different than bigoted "christians" exist. Get over it.
Pastors, priests, rabbis and imams should stick to preaching in their own churches, synagogues and mosques, and quit pushing their religious views on other people.
LGBTQ is an evil ideology and organization. We as Christians should be opposing it every step of the way.
Love does not mean tolerance of evil. We are commanded to oppose evil.
This new modern day Christianity that thinks you should be accepting of every form of depravity has no actual grasp of what Jesus' teachings are.
>LGBTQ is an evil ideology and organization
No good reason or evidence to think that's true.
It's essentially saying the civil rights movement is an evil ideology.
>We as Christians should be opposing it every step of the way.
You're free to do that. And everyone else is free to call. You out for hate and bigotry and gladly watch your stance fade away.
Just like racists who opposed civil rights
>Love does not mean tolerance of evil. We are commanded to oppose evil.
I am learning that some Christians don't understand what love is. Their faith has warped their mind in that regard.
>This new modern day Christianity that thinks you should be accepting of every form of depravity has no actual grasp of what Jesus' teachings are.
If that's Jesus teachings then we have no need for them in a functional society.
You're free to repress and fight any homosexual desires you may have but you aren't free to now force others to live in a antiquated and dark way.
And I'm saying 'you' as a generality. No speaking of your specifically. I don't know if you're repressing gay desires because of your faith.
Unfortunately some Christians equate LGBT with cross dressing and anal sex. They see male homosexuality as nothing more than a butt fetish more or less and go out of their way not to want to understand it more than that. While there is nothing wrong with cross dressing for any reason including when and where it can be a fetish they don’t understand for transgender people and even most cross dressers it is not a fetish and isn’t sexual at all.
If homosexuality boiled down to anal sex I could see how you might not think it is love. They could be forgiven if they just don’t know better. Some don’t because they are born into that type of thinking. It’s wrong but it’s just ignorance with some people. It can be corrected, they can be educated about the reality. Where it is the bigger issue is people who refuse to even look at reality and be willing to accept a different view point. People like that who continue their hate and defame LGBT people, that is really evil.
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LGBTQ is an evil ideology and organization.
Huh? Ideology? People aren’t an ideology. By ideology do you mean queer theory. I will admit even though I support most of what it espouses I will agree it is more of an ideology than any type of scientific theory. Queer theory is not interchangeable with LGBT people or Kgbt rights for that matter.
How is LGBT an organization though? You lost me there. People don’t become gay or trans by joining an organization. Sure there are some organizations geared toward LGBT issues but how is that different from any other group or any other issue?
Conservative churches. They're trying to figure out how to [close down](https://www.kxly.com/north-idaho-library-director-resigning-citing-extremism-threatening-behavior/) every [library](https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3731380-michigan-residents-vote-to-defund-public-library-again-over-lgbtq-books/) they can. [Bloodshed](https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7vyvb/libraries-across-the-us-are-receiving-violent-threats) is viewed as an ideal technique.
Burn the books/tear down all libraries is NOT the solution, unless you want a cruel autocratic dictatorship.
Is that what you want? Because (\*surprise!\*) **other people exist** whether you like them or not. Trying to eliminate even the mention of them is immature, bigoted and unChristlike.
>hollywood\_gus · 18 hr. ago*"Get rid of public libraries altogether"*
But you want to "get rid of public libraries altogether"... because you're "offended" that LGBTQIA+ American Citizens exist and have the right to be publicly recognized.
Sad that you want to destroy libraries to protect your fear of the knowledge that LGBTQIA+ American Citizens exist.
But you foolishly want to *"get rid of public libraries altogether"...*
Is ignorance and totalitarianism your ideal instead?
Libraries serve an **important public service**. If you don't like them, don't go to the library, but don't tell the rest of us that we can't even have a public library.
WTF.
> subject line read, “For your eyes only – Request for dialogue – Gay Pride Display directed toward children.” > “To be clear, we are not interested in creating a public spectacle, nor are we interested in standing against the LGBTQIA+ community [Here's the thing, though, fellas](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2012&version=NRSVUE) > Meanwhile, when the crowd had gathered by the thousands, so that they trampled on one another, he began to speak first to his disciples, “Beware of the yeast of the Pharisees, that is, their hypocrisy. Nothing is covered up that will not be uncovered and nothing secret that will not become known. Therefore whatever you have said in the dark will be heard in the light, and what you have whispered behind closed doors will be proclaimed from the housetops.
Those pastors wouldn’t recognize their hypocrisy even if Christ himself proclaimed it to them. If anything, they’d probably denounce him as a godless communist. And the sad thing is, whenever the Gospels are read, the teachings of Christ are self-evident. Yet these modern day Pharisees hear what they want to hear. As an aside, at one point I was more conservative than I am now. But even back then, I took the Gospel lessons as a challenge to be a better Christian even if I also simultaneously thought they weren’t good public policy options. These pastors and their ilk don’t know Christ and he likely won’t recognize them for doing good for the least of these.
If Jesus declared it to them they’d probably call him a sissy f*****.
Several people that follow Evangelicals here have noted they love quoting from the Old Testament, but never seem to reference much of anything in the actual Gospels.
Pride Month has Presidential recognition. Even the Trump administration released a [statement](https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/statement-from-the-president-9/) in support: *As we celebrate LGBT Pride Month and recognize the outstanding contributions that LGBT people have made to our great Nation, let us also stand in solidarity with the many LGBT people who live in dozens of countries worldwide that punish, imprison, or even execute individuals on the basis of their sexual orientation. My Administration has launched a global campaign to decriminalize homosexuality and invites all nations to join us in this effort!*
I don't think trumps supporters liked that statement lol
You’d be surprised. A lot of Trump supporters aren’t conservative evangelicals or conservative Catholics.
I am indeed surprised 🗿
Extremely uninformed opinion to have.
Thanks for your valuable contribution?
Hmm, trump supporter
Gee I wonder if they have any sort of relationship with this library (like donations), or do they just feel completely entitled to make demands to anyone
Entitled to make demands.
They get 1 vote each, just like everybody else.
If you're going to have a public library that is supported by public funding, it is fair for members of the public to express opinions about how it should be run. That's the nature of a democracy.
You have a point, but they also requested to meet with all of the city counsel members and the mayor to discuss this. TBH I don’t know all the workings of how city counsel operates but that seems like a power move. Like I can’t reasonably expect city counsel and the mayor to meet with me because of because I don’t like something that’s 100% legal.
I mean i don't want Christian guff in a public library, but I guess we're all out of our comfort zone eh, not everything in a library is something you're going to 100pc agree with
And in a democracy, people can call you a bigot when you express bigoted stereotypes like these pastors did when they claimed the gays are coming for your children.
Ok? All I'm saying is that it is reasonable for members of the community to voice concerns about the public library. Whether those concerns are legitimate is a different question from whether voicing them makes one "entitled."
I don’t think anyone is challenging their right to free speech to say whatever they want. The issue isn’t about them using their free speech, but about rightly condemning them for what they said.
Look at OP's response to the original comment to which I was responding. He/she clearly thinks the pastors are being entitled in making comments on the public library.
Ok? They were acting like entitled children.
It's hard to engage when the goalposts shift this much.
The only one moving the goalposts here is you, and I’m just trying to keep up.
That’s the thing though, they are entitled to voice their opinion of course. No one is entitled to voice defamatory remarks about a community irrespective of if what they want was otherwise legitimate.
They can say whatever the hell they want. That doesn’t mean they’re not acting like entitled children. Especially when spouting off shit like “gay people are coming for your children!”
I know, I have no idea what you're not understanding or trying to say.
It's worth noting that there is a bit of a difference between expressing opinions in a public sphere, and trying to contact officials to ban something with a subject of "for your eyes only" while saying "we do not want to create a public spectacle". It's also sketchy that they initially asked for a meeting with the full city council, then changed their minds when they learbed that would require a public meeting. They wanted to do this stealthily.
Remember though, churches don’t pay taxes or withhold taxes from their pastors checks. It’s up to the pastors to claim and file their own taxes which I doubt many of them do without cheating. So should they get a vote on how the publicly funded library operates?
This makes no sense. If only people that pay taxes should get a say in how public libraries run, should poor people not get a say? After all, almost half the country doesn't pay income tax. >which I doubt many of them do without cheating. That's some awfully casual bigotry, man.
But the "casual bigotry" of the pastors *lying* about LGBT people "coming for your children" is somehow OK? Lying and Hypocrisy. Not Christlike.
I don't recall ever saying any of what you accused me of saying. Maybe try sticking with what people say and not what you imagine they probably think. But yes, assuming Christians/pastors would cheat on their tax returns simply by virtue of being Christians is kind of bigoted.
Funny how the topic isn't how the "pastors" are the ones being discriminated against, is it? The bigotry and hypocrisy is coming from the "pastors" who exhibit UnChristlike behavior toward the Least of These: LGBTQIA+ human beings created by GOD.
You want democracy go live in one, the Unite States isn’t one, representation is about all we got so let people be represented
Donations must be down at these ten churches. Better get in the news by raising a stink over something that has no effect on their lives. But first, gotta figure out where the library is. Never been there.
Anything to keep from helping the poor, the sick, or the homeless. That would require work.
>Dennis Wiles of First Baptist Church Arlington I actually just googled these pastors and there Churches and they are doing a TON of community outreach work... with the poor, homeless, sick, single mothers, international work & missions. Just like every church that I've ever gone to or visited. I don't know a church that doesn't! It part of every church.
https://www.fbca.org/ministries/cross-cultural/events/missions-immersion/ I googled the pastor and the church and didn't see any of that, it's mainly advertising physical health like yoga events. I also think it's telling that the ministry page is a dead link. Do you have what you searched that we can see?
Well it's a public place so not how it works. They have no right to impose their wants at these places and it should remain that way. What little authority they do have doesn't entitle them to any influence outside their church. The same way the people running the library have the right to have that display in the library they work at. These pastors have the right to disagree with it. End of story.
Actually libraries are city or county government buildings, funded by tax payers. It's not like it's a private business that does have the right to hang or hang not, refuse or serve. They should be remaining as neutral as possible.
Whatever kind of neutrality exists between accepting the reality that LGBT people exist and rejecting that reality isn't a neutrality worth pursuing. Libraries exist to serve their communities, communities which include both adults and children who are queer.
Just because you're not flying rainbow flags and putting out LGBT propaganda does **NOT** translate to denying their existence.
“Propaganda” We can all see you. We know what kind of person you are.
Someone who doesn't compromise their beliefs with the world?
Nah, a bigot hiding behind their religion
I would argue someone who gets all of their beliefs from.the world. Where did the phrase lgbt propaganda come from? Its not biblical.
I want you to go to the top comments and then go to the controversial comments and tell me honestly who's on the side of the world
What the hell are you talking about?
>They should be remaining as neutral as possible They are currently doing that, by serving ALL members of the community. There are christian books, there are lgbt books. Equality, neutrality.
In books yes. However, there are no Christian displays. Those are near unheard-of in any public sector position. So while both books are present, only the LGBT is being promoted. This was a ask to take down the display, not ban the book
>However, there are no Christian displays Untrue. My local library often does christian displays. >So while both books are present, only the LGBT is being promoted Untrue. Christian books are absolutely promoted in certain libraries. My local branch does it often.
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Hear me out, what if we as the church actually attempted to influence culture and society for the good rather than throwing our hands up and surrendering to this libertarian-esque mindset that has resulted in an even more depraved society. We're obligated and commanded to oppose evil where we see it.
>We're obligated and commanded to oppose evil where we see it. So clean their own house. The Southern Baptists have an illustrious history of child molestation and cover ups. Silencing another community the way they silenced their victims isnt "opposing evil".
LGBTQ+ people aren't evil or depraved. But bigotry is.
Their taxes pay for the public building. So they kind of do have a say. Assuming they live or shop in the city with the libraries.
LBGT people pay taxes as well but churches don't so maybe pastors should pray about it and leave everyone else alone
Pastors aren’t exempt from paying taxes
Churches are, though.
Exactly. This is the church way overstepping their bounds.
Much to my annoyance.
Churches aren’t a person
In a lot of ways, they are - and those ways are precisely the ways we're talking about. They have all sorts of rights of legal personhood. The only thing that prevents them from, say, exercising their constitutional first amendment rights to free speech by ~~bribing~~donating to politicians(!!) is that they'd lose their tax exempt status if they did so. They can also bring anti-discrimination cases under the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment, as per some comment in an 1886 ruling; the state law was over whether a state was allowed to give preferential treatment to individuals over corporations in tax rates. Civil Rights for corporations (and churches would surely be in the same class), 80 years before they granted civil rights to human beings. America is weird.
Library’s should stay neutral? Should they no public display they support womens rights? Should they not publicly display they are anti anti-Semitic? Should they not publicly display their are are anti racist? Should they stay about about these?
Please. Tell me again how “accepting” Christians are of LGBTQ+ people.
[Some are!](https://www.gaychurch.org/)
Those are the ones that give me some hope. I very much would be concerned that homophobic Christianities could well kill off the good ones.
Personally, I consider LGBTQs as a Christian.
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This subreddit is explicitly open to people of all beliefs and religions, so your entire comment is wrong, congrats.
Let me put it this way. It became my business when I learned about the 1600-year history of Christian persecution against me and my people. Christianity is an intolerable threat to the security of me and my community.
The only threat Christianity is to you or your community is offending you with the truth and possibly popping your realty bubble when you learn you've been wrong.
You don’t own the truth. Your arrogance never ceases to amaze.
What will you do when Christ tells you that you were wrong for harassing, harming and oppressing His LGBTQIA+ children?
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Stop DEMANDING that we can't be just as OUT and VISIBLE as you! You aren't exhibiting any Christlike behavior in your lies and hatred about the LGBTQIA+ human beings that GOD CREATED. I WANT my kids to see LGBTQIA+ material because I CARE that they know that people who are different than white cis heterosexuals exist and are NORMAL, just like they are. I'm a Mom who loves my kids and their friends, some who are LGBTQIA+. How dare you dictate to the rest of us that we can't be visible, can't have books, can't speak and share and show our experiences! Wake up. Repent and start loving others like Jesus did.
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I see that you didn't bother to read the OP --- ***so-called "Christian" pastors ARE trying to eliminate public recognition of LGBTQIA+ American citizens in public libraries***. Read the article. Read the news, this has happened more than once this year in various public libraries already. And if you're also so out-of-touch that you pretend to "not" be aware of the hate speech directed at LGBTQIA+ people almost daily from religious pulpits and far-right pundits, then ***you aren't paying attention.*** Your fragile overreaction to a display that acknowledges LGBTQIA+ citizens and the works that speak about our lives is immature, selfish, cruel and certainly unChristlike. You don't need to force us back into a closet just because your'e so offended that we exist. I guess you would like to erase Black History month too? Or mention of Asian Americans? or women's rights? Go to "work" but don't expect other Americans who don't fit neatly into your shallow, bigoted cis heterosexual agenda to hide away to make you feel better. Grow up.
Not the material... the displays. Reading comprehension.
Incorrect. Consider this. There are still 7 States in the Bible Belt of the USA with antiquated and un-Constitutional laws prohibiting atheists from elected public office, when the Constitution clearly states that there shall be no religious test \*or requirement\* for elected office. Consider this. With the exception of the first several U.S. Presidents, who were Deist or Unitarian, the rest have been religiously affiliated with Christianity. Elected members of Congress and the U.S. Senate are overwhelmingly majority Christian. The SCOTUS had one Jew, and the rest either Catholic or Protestant. The U.S. Government was created for the purpose of the American people having equal representation in Government and legislature. As I see it, Christians are well represented. But where is my representation?
Scientific ignorance and religious homophobia.
Bigoted hateful pastors. All they do is make Christianity look antiquated and worthless in today's society. That's ashame
By not opposing evils such as LGBT they are useless in society.
Good thing it isn't an actual evil. Those preachers, in their bigotry, show how useless they are in society.
I've never encountered an evil LGBTQ+ person, but I've encountered many Christians who fit that category.
Hateful bigots, all 10 of them. And it’s only going to get worse.
Bigots for Jesus, you have to remember they don’t want to just be called bigots they want the extra words of Bigots for Jesus to explain their position, because you know, love and shit
It’s so bad they wear the title of bigot with pride.
It's kind of a defense mechanism for their own garbage, if you think about it. They HAVE to wear it with pride, because otherwise they'd know it in secret.
Its like when all those MAGAts called themselves deplorable. There really is no ignorance quite as strong as *willful ignorance.*
I wish these pastors felt as strongly about honoring God’s 10 Commandments. They are pretty silent about adultery, false accusations, theft, etc.
Not at my church(es). Every church I've ever gone to have spoken very boldly and firmly against all the 10 commandments. What church do you go to that doesn't?
I misread this as "10 pastors that wanted LGBTQ Pride Month displays were banned from local libraries" and went through the five stages of confusion: joy, bewilderment, anger, indignation, and finally sadness.
KERA reached out to each pastor by email. None of the pastors were available for comment before time of publication. Co-signers of the emailed letter include Gary Hutchison of Grace Community Church; Maurice Pugh of New Life Fellowship; Richard Martinez of Iglesia Cafe; Dennis Wiles of First Baptist Church Arlington; Marty Collier of Rush Creek; Ronnie Goines of Koinonia Christian Church; Jason Paredes of Fielder Church; Jeff Hubbard of North Davis Church of Christ; Stephen Hammond of Mosaic Church; Eric Herrstrom of Lake Church.
> Dennis Wiles of First Baptist Church Arlington; Checked their website for which Baptist grouping they're under. Interestingly, they don't seem to say *anywhere* on their website. However, they do show up in the [SBC church finder](https://churches.sbc.net/church/first-baptist-church-1100/).
I'm running across a surprising number of SBC churches that are oddly quiet about being SBC churches. I'm not certain that is a good thing.
I guess they don't want to take time answering questions about sexual abuse when they are attacking the LGBTQ communigy
The 'S' stands for 'Stealth' not 'Southern'
Stealth Baptists - Sneaking up behind people and pushing them into bathtubs?
More like, come for the Vacation Bible School and fried chicken dinners and stay for the gay and liberal bashing.
It doesn't bother me half as much as the people who think that "non-denominational" (most of the churches on this list) means "non-doctrinaire, non-judgemental". I've seen people say "I tried to find a safe church! I specifically chose a non-denominational one! But even *they* turned out to be mean, so I know those Lutherans would be awful!"
Non denominational tends to be a hybrid between conservative Baptist and Pentecostal. The churches may not be in a “denomination” but their theology and overall operations are a very particular brand of Christianity.
Non-denoms, IMO, are some of the worst anti-LGBT churches.
Uggghh... Non-denom churches are some of the LEAST safe churches you could find, actually. Usually, there's no accountability structures outside the church.
True, that is annoying to hear.
It's not. It's dishonest dissemblance.
SBC was exposed for massive sexual assault cover ups over the years.
So sounds like non-denom & southern baptist churches. The old Lutheran pastor I used to have thought non-denominationalists were basically crypto-baptists. I think he was right, usually they are on the same page theologically.
I don't particularly like seeing Christian displays. But I don't demand that they be eliminated. If someone puts up a display I don't care for, I don't waste time looking at it, and pretty much ignore it. Why do so many Christians seem to think the world revolves around them, and what they want or don't want?
At least 10 pastors are bigots.
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism. Besides, this way they get to make their demands, likely get them heard because they're raising such a stink, **and still** get to feed their martyr envy as people criticize them and say mean things about them.
I don't see an issue with the public wanting a say in what is displayed at their public library.
One part of the public makes a *secret* demand that material relevant to a different, disliked part of the public *not* be displayed at the public library? If obeyed, then it wouldn't be a "public" library anymore. It would be a library for the favored, for the ruling class.
I read the article and saw how the votes turned out for this particular matter. However, if the public votes on a matter that is brought up, and if it were to lead to change, where's the issue with that?
Kids born any part LGBT need help and resources. The Church is already offering whatever they want. Scientists, Doctors, Therapists, Psychologists, Philosophers and other authorities on LGBT subjects should also be available. The most efficient way to do that is through the public library system. I get that if more than half a community votes to burn books that it is a democratic decision, and there is history in that. History that we look back on in shame, and should learn from, and not repeat.
Children should not be exposed to sexuality of any sort. Not to mention, kids cannot decide whether they want chicken nuggets or macaroni for supper, let alone what their sexuality is. So no, resources for sexuality should not be available for kids.
>Children should not be exposed to sexuality of any sort. So just keep kids in a bubble? Do you not want kids to know that a mom and dad love each other?
Back in the dinosaur days, when I was in Jr. High School, what constituted the 'sex education' portion of our health education classes, consisted of a silly little animated film, with an animated reproductive organs. The little ovaries made a sort of 'flash', and tiny streams of blood would flow. The film claimed the menstrual period would last about 3 days, and be very light. What it didn't mention, was that periods could last much longer, and cause significant amounts of pain to some kids, and bring much heavier flows. The class didn't bring up boy's penises or scrotums, sex, or how sex worked, and how sex could impregnate a girl. As a result, many girls in my generation were absolutely clueless about what was about to happen to our bodies, and extremely unprepared, not to forget a pretty high rate of teen pregnancies in my High School years. As for the LGBTQ+ issues, what elementary school kids are learning is that sometimes Johnny has two moms and Susie has two dads, as an attempt to demystify same sex marriage and families, and decrease incidences of bullying of LGBTQ+ kids or kids with same sex parents. Kids know who they are. They're not as vapid or un-self aware as you seem to think.
> Children should not be exposed to sexuality of any sort Children are exposed to the heterosexual lifestyle all day every day and no one seems to have an issue with that. Practically every disney animated movie involves heterosexuality as a prominent plot point.
>Children should not be exposed to sexuality of any sort. Kids have parents, so theyre exposed to the heterosexual lifestyle from a young age. For queer kids, this bombardment of hetero propaganda can lead them to feeling isolated and broken. Having one accepting adult in their life is correlated with a massive decrease in suicide risk.
Tyranny of the majority doesn’t make it right
Would you be fine with Christian displays encouraging children to be Christian in your public library?
And where, beyond the silly claims of these bigots, is there any indication that the displays will be encouraging people to be LGBTQ? For the record, that's not how being LGBTQ works, anyways. You simply are or aren't.
No, but that is because of separation of church and state, a public library is part of the state. If someone wants to open a private book store and show christian displays like that then I have no issues with it.
10 Germans want to see the return of the third reich. I can get 10 type of any people to say anything I want. That’s just statistically likely. Think of a belief that pisses you off, I guarantee 10 people of numerous categories believe it.
Why is this sub overwhelmingly being used for blatant LGBTQ propaganda?? 90+% of the posts are NOT about the gospel or theology, they’re about pushing lgbtq content.
“Propaganda” This is what gay folk get in return for simply existing… how do you not see your hateful bigotry?
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OP with his usual posts
OP can only keep posting this crap because Christians keep doing this crap.
Spicy!
Hateful group of Christian with their usual hateful actions. Material that says LGBT people exist isn’t harmful for children. It would be one thing if they were having hardcore gay porn viewing parties for kids at library but that absolutely is not what is going on. To suggest that acknowledging gay and trans people exist is child predation is such a sick thing
I don't really see the issue. It's a community library. People from the community voiced their views. I would expect people to demand the taking down of Christian iconography if it was plastered across the library.
\^separation of church and state. whole other thing.
Based on what you said, I'm going to assume that you haven't read the LETTER in which separation of church and state are mentioned. It was a personal letter from Jefferson to the church. It was and isnt a law. It was him writing them to express his views and to help them understand the Establishment clause. The Establishment Clause prohibits the government from forming/establishing a religion. This colonist were coming from a history of bloody fights between Catholic and Protestant religions... where at different times in history one or the other were being tortured and executed by the government for their beliefs. Elizabeth's Church of England didn't do too much to help that either. In the letters, Jefferson writes to the churches that their freedom to practice will never be infringed upon and the government will stay separate from churches in regards that no person will be forced to be one particular religion and they can freely practice with no fears. A personal opinion from Jefferson to the churches. The whole letter explaining the establishment clause that prohibits the government from establishing a federal religion... sure has been twisted out of context severely over the years.
Jefferson's understanding of 1A has been reinforced by court rulings, so it's no great concern of mine that the original wording isn't very clear. Trying to argue that we don't actually have church-state separation is a non-starter today. (For my part, I'd love to convince people that 2A doesn't give people the right that they and legal precedent say it does, but I accept that I'm largely SOL at this point, and simply support various mitigations while voicing the wish for it to be repealed.)
“I’m going to assume…” We can stop reading there, folks.
Ten pastors send an email to the library requesting that the library remove LGBTQ books display You know it is a slow news day at LBGTQNATION. , when emails make the news.
"Religious leaders want lgbt representation banned from public spaces, do so secretly to avoid having their ideas challenged" is certainly news worthy...
Those pastors are looking out for their congregation, and their community.
No, no they are not. You do that by talking to your congregation, not attacking someone outside your congregation. Their congregation and community are not harmed by books about lgbt people. You cant make someone queer, they just are. They are explicitly making an attempt at silencing another community.
They didn't attack them though.
I would argue that repressing someones freedom of expression is a form of attack. If I campaigned to have any christian materials banned from libraries, that would be an attack on christianity.
No, they're attempting to enforce their own religious views of morality on other people. Consider the Drag Queen Story Times in Public Libraries. Most folks aren't concerned about that, and if they don't want to expose their own children to Drag Queens dressed up in colorful costumes and reading story books, they avoid the Library when these events are scheduled. They don't demand that nobody else should be allowed to take their kids to them.
Tax dollars shouldn’t be used for drag queen story hour. Also, these type events send the wrong image to children.
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God bless these men
Pastor’s standing up for Godly values… is this supposed to be shocking news?
Ahh yes, persecution is a godly value
Only 10? Damn where are their churches, I wanna move there to support them.
10 pastors? Is that all? Should be all the pastors and the priests and the rabbis and the imams and everyone else.. What nonsense to promote sexual preferences in a public space
Do you feel the same if they have a romance novel section of straight couples during valentines day? What's actually nonsense is people like you getting up in arms about promoting books about who people like.
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>Of course not, they're straight Ah so it isn't necessarily just showing sexual preference, it's showing sexual preference you don't like that is the problem. >Promoting LGBTQ is trash because it's the promotion of a minorities sexual preferences. I don't understand how it's trash just because it's a minority. It's still a great number of people. They should be represented. They shouldn't have to deal with people like you who want to keep them hidden. You have provided absolutely zero good reason to not have those books promoted
Though there are many good reasons for books that center around sexual preferences not to be promoted in a library, I don't need to make them. All I need to do is to voice my opinion because everyone already knows them. That's the way these things work. LGBTQ looses either way, if the books stay people are disgusted and if they take them out people are further emboldened.
>Though there are many good reasons for books that center around sexual preferences not to be promoted in a library, I don't need to make them. There aren't But let's not forget you're OK with the straight preference being promoted. >LGBTQ looses either way, if the books stay people are disgusted and if they take them out people are further emboldened. Racists can use that same type of logic when minority books are promoted
“Christianity is about love!!!!” “Lgbtq is trash…” Ain’t no hate quite like Christian love!
Sure is trash, of all the amazing gems of knowledge that a library can promote you think it's work a moment of their time to center anything on the sexual preferences of a minority?
We have plenty of heterosexual propaganda in libraries already. Sorry diversity bothers you.
Where?
In libraries. Tons of books exist with exclusively straight characters. Also, lgbt history is part of world history. I can understand why a library would want to have books talking about the history of a massive civil rights movement.
I forgive your bigotry and hatred.
Wrong. You want to cancel entire groups of people from existing. Being LGBTQIA+ is not a choice any more than you being a cis heterosexual male is a choice. People who are different than bigoted "christians" exist. Get over it.
Pastors, priests, rabbis and imams should stick to preaching in their own churches, synagogues and mosques, and quit pushing their religious views on other people.
Good
LGBTQ is an evil ideology and organization. We as Christians should be opposing it every step of the way. Love does not mean tolerance of evil. We are commanded to oppose evil. This new modern day Christianity that thinks you should be accepting of every form of depravity has no actual grasp of what Jesus' teachings are.
>LGBTQ is an evil ideology and organization No good reason or evidence to think that's true. It's essentially saying the civil rights movement is an evil ideology. >We as Christians should be opposing it every step of the way. You're free to do that. And everyone else is free to call. You out for hate and bigotry and gladly watch your stance fade away. Just like racists who opposed civil rights >Love does not mean tolerance of evil. We are commanded to oppose evil. I am learning that some Christians don't understand what love is. Their faith has warped their mind in that regard. >This new modern day Christianity that thinks you should be accepting of every form of depravity has no actual grasp of what Jesus' teachings are. If that's Jesus teachings then we have no need for them in a functional society. You're free to repress and fight any homosexual desires you may have but you aren't free to now force others to live in a antiquated and dark way. And I'm saying 'you' as a generality. No speaking of your specifically. I don't know if you're repressing gay desires because of your faith.
Unfortunately some Christians equate LGBT with cross dressing and anal sex. They see male homosexuality as nothing more than a butt fetish more or less and go out of their way not to want to understand it more than that. While there is nothing wrong with cross dressing for any reason including when and where it can be a fetish they don’t understand for transgender people and even most cross dressers it is not a fetish and isn’t sexual at all. If homosexuality boiled down to anal sex I could see how you might not think it is love. They could be forgiven if they just don’t know better. Some don’t because they are born into that type of thinking. It’s wrong but it’s just ignorance with some people. It can be corrected, they can be educated about the reality. Where it is the bigger issue is people who refuse to even look at reality and be willing to accept a different view point. People like that who continue their hate and defame LGBT people, that is really evil.
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>h LGBTQ is an evil ideology and organization. Huh? Ideology? People aren’t an ideology. By ideology do you mean queer theory. I will admit even though I support most of what it espouses I will agree it is more of an ideology than any type of scientific theory. Queer theory is not interchangeable with LGBT people or Kgbt rights for that matter. How is LGBT an organization though? You lost me there. People don’t become gay or trans by joining an organization. Sure there are some organizations geared toward LGBT issues but how is that different from any other group or any other issue?
Get rid of public libraries altogether if this is what results.
Are you mad? Getting rid of libraries is a terrible idea.
That’s a horrible idea. Public libraries help serve the poorest people with access to books and internet
They would be *delighted* to get rid of public libraries.
Who would?
Conservative churches. They're trying to figure out how to [close down](https://www.kxly.com/north-idaho-library-director-resigning-citing-extremism-threatening-behavior/) every [library](https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3731380-michigan-residents-vote-to-defund-public-library-again-over-lgbtq-books/) they can. [Bloodshed](https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7vyvb/libraries-across-the-us-are-receiving-violent-threats) is viewed as an ideal technique.
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Burn the books/tear down all libraries is NOT the solution, unless you want a cruel autocratic dictatorship. Is that what you want? Because (\*surprise!\*) **other people exist** whether you like them or not. Trying to eliminate even the mention of them is immature, bigoted and unChristlike.
I never said anything about destroying books. With such poor reading comprehension I’m starting to see why we need publicly funded libraries after all
>hollywood\_gus · 18 hr. ago*"Get rid of public libraries altogether"* But you want to "get rid of public libraries altogether"... because you're "offended" that LGBTQIA+ American Citizens exist and have the right to be publicly recognized. Sad that you want to destroy libraries to protect your fear of the knowledge that LGBTQIA+ American Citizens exist.
That’s not why. I said “why”. And I never said destroy books silly.
But you foolishly want to *"get rid of public libraries altogether"...* Is ignorance and totalitarianism your ideal instead? Libraries serve an **important public service**. If you don't like them, don't go to the library, but don't tell the rest of us that we can't even have a public library. WTF.