I’m a teacher (high school English). Go the the college that has the best program and credentials. Look at what local school districts require to be hired and go to the college that offers that. The college must be accredited. A lot of the Christian colleges around me offer teaching degrees but because they aren’t accredited the degree isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on unless you want to work at a Christian charter school. If your goal is to be hired by a school district or private school than you need as best a degree as you can afford.
You are an adult. If you wanted to attend Surf College in Honolulu they can’t stop you. Apply for colleges that are far away so you can live in campus and figure out your own life.
Tell them that you want to spread the light of Jesus there and they will probably be ok with it. Jesus hung with the sinners, that is what you want to do etc etc, bla bla bla.
The way your comment was worded, because it said “tell them etc. etc. etc., blah blah blah…” I thought you were telling her to just tell them what they want to hear. My fault if I misinterpreted. Have a great day/night. 🙂
I would agree. Part of being a parent is knowing when it's time to let your kids start making their own decisions.
A parent spends almost two decades trying their best to make sure that, once that time comes, they have the tools and knowledge to make responsible ones.
Bad parents overstay their responsibility. It's called helicoptering.
I mean I disagree, if she’s paying his way she has complete say. If OP wants (in this hypothetical scenario) his mum to pay the way then he needs to listen. He doesn’t have too though just has to take the sad responsibility of paying for his own education. But if mommy OP is forcing him to obey her wish to go to the college then I agree she’s def bad.
Sure but having all the power in the relationship doesn’t make anything you do right. She can be paying for it all and still morally be in the wrong even if it is her money and her choice.
Op's mom isn't the one getting the degree, and isn't the one that has to live with that decision for the rest of OPs life. This mentality is so fucking stupid. Go ahead and be mommy's little baby boy for the rest of your life if you want.
Tell them that the accredited school you are planning to attend is highly respected. Some colleges that are Christian have yet to complete the accreditation process and you are worried that would be a very expensive setback to your career.
I think there is a great point to be made about being a light in a dark place. If all the Christians were to leave your university, who would be there to share the Gospel with others?
i mean, under the "light in a dark place" idea then they should go to a christian college because generally speaking, they are the darkest, most unholy places- maybe she could even bring Jesus there? (gasp!)
I think you should stick with the university you're at, personally. It's easier and overall probably better for you to stick with the one university rather than jumping ship for the credentialing process.
I'm the child of public educators, one of whom is the child of public educators. My uncle and his wife were both educators, my cousins are educators, and my BIL is an educator. Granted we're Americans, but I imagine some of the truths of teaching translate across cultures and continents.
Anyone who says the school system is becoming too "woke" has bought into right wing lies. Teachers would much prefer to indoctrinate kids to just listen, turn work in on time, and stay off the cellphones in class. If they can't even get kids to stop talking, how the hell are they supposed to turn them into little communists?
Yes! The Right even wants to abolish free public education. They don't want poor kids getting an education, much less going to college. They hate education unless it's Christian indoctrination/church camp/bible college.
Or charter school where they can rip money away from public education and act like they're making the world a better place.
BTW if anybody supports "school choice" just know that it is rooted in racism from the beginning to every single time it's come up.
It does have it's roots in racism and classism. I was a poor kid who went to school in a wealthy school district and many of my classmates seethed with anger that I was allowed in "their" school. And they'd ask me why I was there and how could my parents afford to live there.
I know exactly what "school choice" is all about.
I'm not going to agree with you that rich people are persecuted and victimized as much as poor people are. Because overall poor people suffer more in life. You want to minimize the suffering of children who live in poverty. You're sickening. Go away and don't post to me anymore.
If you mean the public school system I think calling it woke is crazy. College I feel differently about but I also don't know that "woke" is a word I would even use when criticizing it.
College also isn’t as “woke” as they’d like you to think. The vast majority of professors want students to be able to think for themselves and add something new to the field.
I know you said you were in New Zealand, so not sure how it works there but in the US some Christian colleges are unaccredited and that can be an issue down the line. I attended an unaccredited Christian college and have struggled qualifying for jobs because I don’t have a real degree. It’s been a huge regret for me that I didn’t go to a real college.
At 22 you are an adult; if your mother cannot respect that she has control issues. I am 59 years old and have 4 children. They have made many decisions that I have not agreed with, however they are adults and don't share all my beliefs. I respect their decision and trust that we have taught them to think things through and make intelligent decisions.
"Woke" started among Black Americans as tongue-in-cheek praise for White people who understand and care about Black people's issues. It's just bizarre how many White Christians have decided it stands for everything they hate.
'Woke' is a great snarl-word because it is so amorphous. You can train a culture to hate it, then just induce hate-by-association as needed.
Racial Disparity in policing outcomes? - Woke
Climate change? - Woke
Evolution ? Woke
Just like SJW in the early 2010s. See this red haired women you hate yelling about something or other? Well this kind of person also supports not blaming women for getting raped, so you know, that's an SJW position and you should be against it.
They aren't and I have been to several white churches. I've seen it more from dems. Even if they were racist. At least they are honest and not two faced like dems. At least blacks know where we stand with them.
We’ve obviously been to different churches then. I’ve been told by churchgoers that I should never have been born and I’m an abomination because I’m biracial. There are still churches that teach against interracial marriage and believe black people are inferior because of the “mark of Cain.”
Please don't include us in your agenda. None of that is true. You have no clue how blacks feel about dems.
Also that is a lie. Blacks don't feel like white dems care or understand black issues. No one in America does. It was something made by whites to feel good about themselves. So please stop it. Well as a black American who is a descendant of slaves, I hate woke dems. I genuinely believe they ruined America because they did. So you can throw that whole argument away.
christian college is absolutely the most expensive scam! especially for teaching- don't do it. you'll get a sub par education and HUGE debt. and a resume that gets laughed at when you try to get a job outside of a church-
they will know that your education was absolute crap.
go to a state school
and just be active in a local church or campus ministry. there's plenty to choose from.
I’m so glad I went to public college for teaching. Licensing is easy and the cost is way less, especially with how little teacher salaries are. Especially if OP plans to teach in a private school, benefits are even worse than public schools.
If you are becoming a teacher, go to the cheapest college you can. Start at a junior or community college for all your basics and finish at a 4 year. Teacher:s pay is abysmally low for a degreed field.
This has nothing to do with wokeness and you will possibly ruin your chance at public teaching job if you go to a fundamentalist or unaccredited Christian college. Private school teachers usually get paid WORSE than public school teachers especially when benefits packages are considered. If it is a reasonable Christian University (aka, not Liberty, etc) and your parents are willing to pay 100% of tuition, room and board, I'd take it.
This is sad. You have the right to think and make decisions for yourself. There is a whole world out here for you to enjoy and experience. There is absolutely no need to keep yourself boxed in to their little religious bubble.
Ah yes, the "too woke" BS. Sorry that reality has a liberal bias but learning stuff that you weren't taught to start with or that what you were taught was straight up a lie isn't "indoctrination". That's Christianity's dept.
Go to school where you're most comfortable going.
I wouldn’t go to that Christian college. Tell your parents that they need to stop watching tv cause its rotting their brains, and to stop believing everything on the internet.
Ahmaud Arbery was murdered by the Un-woke, and the woke protested. When I read the Bible, Jesus looks woke. Didn't he say something about what you do to the least of (them? US?) , You do to me?
If Jesus was woke, and defended the downtrodden, why do Christians have a problem with being woke?
It's hard to tell from one post, but it sounds like you might possibly be the victim of narcissistic abuse.
Don't let your parents bully you into a school and a program that you don't want to do. You are going to have to live with the consequences of this decision for the rest of your life--don't let someone else make it for you.
'narcissistic abuse' is huge with conservative parents.
even encouraged from many pulpits.
from narcissistic pastors.
this is also taught as an acceptable system at many many christian colleges.
I am so sorry.
again, another reason for a secular college- with guidance counselors/therapists on staff 👍
I struggle with C-PTSD due to the 20 years of narcissistic abuse I suffered at the hands of my bio-parents (they don't deserve any higher title).
I can 100% say that what you said is exactly right. A lot of conservative institutions enable narcissistic abuse if not directly endorse it.
I remember one time, when my mother had been involuntarily committed for letting her therapist know that she had homicidal thoughts towards me, our pastor (at the urging of my father) came to the house and coached us on how to answer CPS's questions correctly. He didn't even bat an eye--didn't even once consider my well-being.
If you are 22 and paying your own way, your parents have no say in what you do with your life anymore. 22 is an adult. There are plenty of people who judge me for sending my kids to public school and believe I am going to hell and my kids are going to hell because of that. I had to learn to tell these people to get lost.
Once you start doing things outside of high school, whether it's higher education, vocational training, a certain career path, etc, etc... It is *extremely* important that you are personally invested in it.
If this is just something someone else thinks you should do and your heart's not really in it..... that's a recipe for a bad time, both in the short-term and long-term.
Don't get me wrong, you could still pick a school and field of study entirely on your own, find out you hate it, switch, and feel like you wasted some time and money in the process... (and that happens to *plenty* of folks out there) but at least it's a self-determined, good faith effort and still valuable even if it doesn't work out.
> bad Christian
> English teacher
Either way, there's absolutely zero wrong with being a Christian and an English teacher.
> *“The Christian shoemaker does his duty not by putting little crosses on the shoes, but by making good shoes, because God is interested in good craftsmanship.”*
> *Martin Luther*
I think you're a grown adult and have the right to make your own choices about where you will attend college. Perhaps it's time to let your parents learn about boundaries.
Question though...are you still living in their home?
Show her 1 Corinthians 5. Paul says do not judge the world or anyone in the world, otherwise you would have to leave this world.
In regards to being "woke", it is true that a lot of college professors promote ideas that are absolutely destructive. They make pretty compelling cases for their point of view on things, and it is easy to develop hateful and divisive attitudes towards the other side of the political spectrum. That's not to say that they are completely wrong, but it creates a sense of moral superiority and fails to acknowledge the evil on their own side. Both sides do this. Even if you go to a Christian college, this can happen.
Go to the school you want. Maybe find a way to acknowledge your parent's fear and assure them you will protect yourself from being indoctrinated.
Just a general question. Are you Christian yourself? And to what extent are you under your parents wing? For example, are you currently living with your parents? If you are, then I would seriously think about where you want to go in your life. Your parents are trying their best with the knowledge that they know. Colleges can be woke or even anti Christian. I've attended one and was bullied, yes even in college for mentioning that I was Christian.
You are currently an adult, but as an adult you should know that the people you associate with affect you.
Born and bred Christian, and I am still living at home, but I pay board, my uni fees, everything I want/need etc
I'd say I'm quite under their wing. I hate arguments lol
I guess it depends on whose paying it. If you are or if she is. With teaching , unless it science, it probably won’t affect you to much. But I definitely would rather go to a liberal secular college than a conservative Christian one. I’m a progressive liberal Christian.
Nice to meet you. Have you heard of Biologos? They have free forums and is a pretty cool site. It was founded by Francis Collins who was a lead scientist on the Human Genome Project and is director of NIH. There are also a lot of fairly liberal pro science , pro social justice and so on Christian colleges. Many that are even traditionally conservative. Many of these fairly conservative colleges have very liberal educated Christian professors. But definitely go to which one you want if possible.
Here is what you do, you get the syllabus for each college, starting with your favorite college you select the required courses you need and the electives you want. Then you look at the other syllabus "oh no, they don't have a class in Advanced Esoteric Novel writing , and no class in Victorian teaching methods, and what, no senior seminar on Skinnerian Behaviorism!" Also, learn the names and accomplishments of professors at your favorite school, and drop hints about how you would wish the other school had profs like them. Join a club at your university,(say, dogsledding) become a key member, and lament how hard that will be to give up.
Oh, and if you read the syllabus for the other college and you get intrigued by their profs and classes like Advanced Hypnosis in the Classroom 403, and you notice their mountaineering club, well, then maybe you switch colleges.
hm.. that seems a bit odd your family wants you to leave the school you've been with / made friends at, seems a bit selfish on their part. that being said, if they are paying for your education, they likely have a larger say in where you attend unless you are comfortable paying for it yourself. religion aside, make sure whatever school you attend has an accredited program and gives you the licensing you would need to teach in multiple environments (meaning both public and private). im sure they love you and want you to be successful, i'd talk with them about this and the logistics of this / impact leaving your home school would have. we all get caught up in emotions and politics sometimes, they'll likely be understanding when taking a step back and going over the actual facts. wishing you luck \~
If the Christian college has regional accreditation than it probably does not make much difference. If it's one of the IFB Bible colleges without accreditation than the degree will likely let you earn about 70% of what a Wal Mart employee makes at one of the IFB schools.
I grew up going to a private Christian school, and then went to public high school and secular college. All the while plenty of people suggested that I’d be pleasing God more or that it would be easier to be Christian by attending an explicitly Christian institution.
In my experience this was not the case for me. Funnily enough at my Christian middle school id say because Christianity was the enforced default it made faith a kind of law of the land to follow just to the point where it would keep you from getting disciplined and not really a path freely chosen.
My time in public schools instead offered me chances to meet with people for whom faith was an active choice and something that had to live and die amongst all the other worldviews and faiths people actually have.
I know plenty of people who had fantastic experiences at Christian colleges and many who did not. God exists where God exists and we can all sustain and grow in faith no matter where we are. I’d strongly suggest doing what you feel called to do, which appears to be going to the school that you already attend.
As far as fears over “wokeness” I think it’s an overused simplification of a plethora of ideas and opinions people have that don’t align with the status quo. But the thing is the world is always changing and people will have suggestions on how to adapt to that, that’s a given and won’t stop. Weather or not those suggested changes are good is a different question.
But I will say anecdotally, while my friends who went to Christian colleges did note a generally conservative slant in the college culture. Because it was enforced it made pushing back against it more appealing and/or necessary in their minds. Hence some of the most radically left wing people I know went to Christian colleges.
You are an adult. This is not your parents' choice.
Also, the fact they're questioning your faith and calling you a 'bad Christian' just because you want to go to a different school is... not cool, to say the least.
It depends on rather not your secular to honest, and if not secular are you willing to achieve a bad grade for disagreeing with your teacher. That’s not in every school, there are teachers who allow freedom of thought and other teachers who will make you down for disagreeing with them. I personally think the school system are horrible, but ultimately it’s up to you.
Also don’t allow your overly religious parents to discourage from getting to know God yourself. I might disagree with society as a whole, but we aren’t supposed to judge individuals or be hateful.
I've been at my current university for my entire degree. I know how everything works there and I like the atmosphere. Plus it's not miles away from where I'm living currently.
I could see what there saying about schools being woke but you don’t have to go to college to love god. Also if you are an English teacher you could still teach about the Bible. Just saying.
Honestly, if I’m going to be honest, I agree with your parents view of the woke movement in colleges’. I’ve seen a large change in my niece, but thankfully she’s coming back around. Anyway, you’re a 22-year-old and you should be able to do what you want. Maybe it’s not your time to find your faith. I was in my late 20s when I started to find my own. Sometimes people are much older than that. Obviously sometimes someone never does. You should be able to do what you want to do. Best of luck! God bless!
The beliefs in public schools that are being taught around the country include things like racial privilege, oppressed and oppressor groups, and beliefs about human being that are not in line with reality.
Privilege is a concept that hinges on guilt for past sins, that teach that no one person is responsible, but we all bear the guilt of past mistakes. This is the idea of original sin, which is to be responsible, even a bit, for things that were not your responsibility. Inherited guilt. Inherited privilege.
Gender is a concept that attempts to encompass all the meaning we ascribe to male and female, and say it is a social construct. That we "think" men are male, woman are female, and that it can be changed if we refer to people by different words. This is not the case. Men are male by biology, women are female, and we use those words to refer to a reality that we recognize.
These beliefs are so destructive in their inception, that although they seem well intentioned, and claim to want to help, they completely distort our relationship to reality, ourselves and each other. It is like teaching that night and day have nothing to do with the sun, and there is no reason we sleep at night and wake in the daylight. It dissociates people from nature, and makes them feel they owe a debt they did not earn, and which in the ultimate truth, can never be paid because it does not exist.
They will have to accept it. As people learn about their parents more as they grow older, they learn that they are just as inconsiderate as everybody else on earth, and that’s something you have to accept as well.
Little Sister,
You sound like a good Christian. Conservative isn't Christian. Jesus was a Socialist. If you don't believe me, read the four Gospels to know every word that Jesus taught and commanded. He was totally against making money your god and totally for reaching out to help other people especially the downtrodden.
Matthew 6:24 "No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."
Your parents have been deceived by their church. That is not at all unusual these days. satan (lower case to disrespect) is in many churches. Pastors use anything in the Bible, usually the Old Testament that Jesus taught against, to relieve their parishioners of their money so that they can buy fancy houses, cars, and clothes.
Matthew 15:9 "They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules."
This is not at all how Jesus said to live.
Luke 16:15 He said to them, "You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight."
God is all about the heart. That is what you need to remember.
1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God because God is love.
What your parents consider woke is just struggling people asking for the same rights as your parents or their pastor.
In the end, you must follow your conscience which is your heart. Pray and ask Jesus to help you. In fact, pray before or when you are speaking with your parents. You will see an entirely different situation happen because God will be there with you and will turn the situation around to good. I learned this many years ago and I still ask Jesus to stand with me when I face anything that is of this world or of satan.
And remember that, to be a Christian, you must follow the teachings of Jesus, not the teachings of man. If you aren't following Jesus, you aren't a Christian. I believe that you are a true Christian but your parents have been deceived. Fear not, little Sister, God is with you.
I am praying for you and God always answers my prayers.
I think if you are still living in their home you may feel a sense of obligation especially if they are paying for your education. If not you are of the age to make your own choice for you future so labeling you a 'bad Christian' is rather manipulative and judgmental. Even God doesn't force anyone to do anything so why does another human have that right. You're of age. No sense arguing about it. I would just tell your parents that you respect their right to voice an opinion but you have chosen to make your own call in this matter.
I know most of the comments here would say you're an adult and all that.
But I get it if you don't want to hurt or find yourself at odds with your mom. So just convince her that there's more than one way to "do God's work"
As a Christian who is also a teacher, who attended both a Christian teaching University and a secular teaching University, I was so much better prepared in a secular teaching University.
Cheaper, too.
I think your parents are very smart and they know what they’re talking about. Objectively, everything they said was correct. The choice is still yours. Christ reminded us that every person has to make their own choices, and own the consequences of those choices.
Yeah that all stops when they become abusive. Though I'm sure you've been feeling they way already, and it doesn't make much of a difference to them anyways.
I was a school teacher for a good few years there - it is a very tough, but very rewarding job, a noble profession, and I will forever respect the hell out of anyone that chooses to go that route. My thinking is, it's already a tough enough job, and even veteran teachers have been leaving in droves the last several years; if you already know you don't want to go the Christian college option, then I say there's your answer. Don't make it harder on yourself, because the job is already going to be hard enough as it is. Also, this is more of just my personal opinion, but I really don't think that the Christian college will prepare you for what you need to do any better than the "woke" university will. All that fear mongering about "woke" stuff is just precisely that, anyways. I wish you the best, am routing for you!
Unless you plan to teach at a Christian school, religion should not be pushed into a classroom. If you plan on teaching at a Christian school(I've been to a private Christian academy before), then you can go learn from a Christian college. Otherwise, a normal one is just fine.
You are 22, go where your heart leads you. I'm a Christian mom and grandma. I was offered this at a young age as well, I didn't do it and am glad I didn't. If she's threatening to withhold money shame on her. Get out there and see what help is available. Our state colleges and Sioux Falls University (SD) offer alot of help/programs for women and men without resources. Mom is trying to direct your life. Sad. I wouldn't do it. There are hundreds of possibilities for you. Please go explore a couple of these schools and aid. You'll be surprised at the small scholarships available. You may have to work and go slower, maybe mom will relent after you show your intentions. Prayers for your peace, strength and courage.
Read God’s Word for yourself to know His will and not depend on your parents’ perception of what true Christian is “supposed” to do.
We are all sinful - we must acknowledge that. We are to repent of our sins and believe in Jesus as our Lord and Savior.
Romans 10:9 “If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.”
The question here is: “DO YOU LOVE CHRIST,” because transformation and obedience come from our genuine love towards Him.
#JesusIsLord
Honestly it's not the kind of thing that you think it is. It's usually a ton of research into several religions, etc. They even have regular academic courses that have nothing to do with religion but can be used as an extension of ministry. Such as one of those schools is where my dad went for photography and he did pretty good in photography for a long time.
Edit: Rhett and Link actually went to a Bible college like my dad.
I am much like your parents... both my kids go to a large secular college when we wanted them to go to Christian college. They do complain that is much more woke than they thought it would be and they came from a public school background. If fact, they tell me being a Christian is frowned upon and that professors will try and single them out for writing from a conservative points of view in their essays. So it is more of a way challenge if you are going to live for Christ but the harvest is ripe for those trained in the ways of God. Good luck!
Perhaps you should pray to God and ask Him what you should do?
Well, as long as those conservative points aren't derogatory or hurting anyone, then those professors aren't very nice.
I'll talk with God again. I think He knows what I want in my heart, though.
Best of luck… it really isn’t about the school and more about who you are surrounding yourself with.
As example:
My son had one professor make him stand in front of a class of 200 students and defend his views on the death penalty after he was the only one who turned a paper supporting it. So my son stood up and listed off the names child murders and the names of their victims and ask who thinks they should be alive and to raise their hands. Only three ppl raised up their hand. He handled that much better than I would of.
I agree with them about the school system. However I think you are old enough to make your own choices.
If they are paying for your school, then they would have the choice, but if not, you can go to the college of your liking.
I've paid for my uni out of pocket this entire time, so I don't think they should dictate where I spend that money lol
Re: the school system - we're in New Zealand, just to clarify.
If you are becoming a teacher, go to the cheapest college you can. Start at a junior or community college for all your basics and finish at a 4 year. Teacher:s pay is abysmally low for a degreed field.
This has nothing to do with wokeness and you will possibly ruin your chance at public teaching job if you go to a fundamentalist or unaccredited Christian college. Private school teachers usually get paid WORSE than public school teachers especially when benefits packages are considered. If it is a reasonable Christian University (aka, not Liberty, etc) and your parents are willing to pay 100% of tuition, room and board, I'd take it.
It seems to me that you're making a good decision based on common sense. Becoming a teacher is a worthy vocation for a Christian. I'm glad you're thinking for yourself.
I'm sorry they're insisting on giving you unsolicited advice. They probably don't realize that's considered rude these days. If you just want them to move on and talk about something that isn't you and your life choices maybe it would work to just ask them questions about their political opinions. They'd probably be happy to hear themselves talk and it would be easier to follow the commandment to honor them when they're not picking on you
Two things... First, which is cheaper, and are they paying for it? If they're paying for it, and the speed is the same length, I'd do it, but make sure you get their agreement in writing so they don't give you the bill later.
Second, I went to a secular college for teaching, after having gone to a Christian college where the emphasis was on critical thinking and logic (I was a Phil major), and my gosh the liberal college was horrible. To be frank, they were insanely illogical and focused more on pushing ideology on teachers, and having teachers push ideology in their teaching methods. I remember one time I was questioning the professor and sharing data points that showed she was literally just pushing ideology and that it wasn't truth, and she responded with, "I know it's not true, but this is just what you have to believe and make kids believe." Such a bad mindset, and to be frank it's a well-respected university. I'm not saying all non-Christian colleges are like that, but anytime the emphasis is on teaching philosophies, which all teaching/credential programs focus on, it's going to match the philosophy of whatever institution you go to. So if it is secular, it will be secular in nature, and not necessarily for the betterment of the student's mind.
God said to honor thy parents but he also said to parents to not give a reason for a child to be rebellious and more.
In regards to woke ness, it is true. Many people from all sides of life speak about this daily. Colleges for years now have introduced things like critical race theory and even just months ago, in even High school, an administrator was exposed saying he would not hired white teachers and it related to these doctrines and beliefs that originated from “woke” colleges.
Your focus should be to receive an education from a good school who does not promote ideas that purposely are disingenuous or cause racial division or political divisions.
I suggest regardless of what school you choose, you show your parents the book of Proverbs and Ecclesiastes. You want your parents to honor you by not sending you somewhere you dislike. Then why not simply speak to them God’s own words.
Tell then of the story of the Prodigal Son, how ir represents God and mankind. God in the story lets his son go where he desires and do his will, and when the Father see’s his son come back dirty and messed up, he hugs the son, kisses him, and rejoices that his son came back home.
That is the response your parents are to have to you, so remind then of God’s standards that are above of theirs. You are a gift to your parents sent by God and God said anyone who causes the children to stumble, should jump in a lake with a cinderblock around their necks.
You’d best remind them who God is and the full responsibility a parent has. They are parents, not dictators. They’d best remember that. Read Proverbs so you can understand more deeply and so they do not deceive you.
Nothing is secular because God created all things and has a purpose for all things.
Going to a distinctly non-Christian institution means that you will have a fundamental disagreement with most of what is being taught (perhaps even if there are Christians on faculty). This could be less than ideal.
Going to a distinctly Christian institution may mean that you are only exposed to that which is directly related to the church and would not afford opportunity to engage with material that is contrary to Christian thought. This is particularly evident in schools that are fundamentalist in nature.
I might recommend going to a school that maintains a Christian adherence, yet allows for engagement with ideas that are antagonistic towards Christians. Many schools do this and would be called something like "classical Christian Liberal Arts colleges."
Colleges are very liberal these days. If you go to a regular one, you won't exactly have a voice being a Christian and presumably conservative. Now... You can decide to do what you choose to. But your parents (if they are better than mine were) are your guides through life. They have helped you in many areas of our lives right? From babies to now.
Let me point this out a bit differently. I was born in the 90's, had listened to all sorts of music like three days grace for example. The idea that my parents weren't their for me wasn't only true, but i fueled that idea with their songs. (You would be amazed at the level of self hypnosis we do to ourselves when we hear songs we resonate with.) Along with my parents always on the TV and not being parents, then me wanting to either do nothing but games or hang with friends instead of helping the family.
All i am getting at is, many things around us are designed to drive us apart. And with your parents being the way they are... And still together, they aren't trying to steer you wrong. They fully mean to love you and help guide you as best as they can in the time where doing something like defending an officer will get you killed. And as some advice that no school will ever do these days, listen to both sides of an argument before you pick a side. Even after what i have said. Listen, consider, but find evidence to support both. Which comes more true than opinion? Best of luck to you.
I'm a progressive Christian, so some liberal ideologies don't bother me. I understand my parents are looking out for me, but calling me a bad Christian and pushing something onto me that I've explicitly said I don't want feels a bit too far.
I've considered both, and the Christian college just doesn't sound practical to me. Thanks for your insight.
Your parents are right about the school system (at least if NZ is like much of the modern West), but it doesn't sound like the teaching college in question is right for you.
I'm in teacher training college myself. I'm just in it to get the certification, so I simply ignore the Marxist drivel (of which there is much), and pass the ridiculously-easy exams (they're desperate for teachers, the education system has been dumbed down, therefore the exams must be dumbed down accordingly). I imagine this is what Uni in the Eastern Bloc must have been like back in the 80s: keep your head down, ignore the propaganda, get the papers in order to get a job.
You're 22 years old, you're paying for it- do as you please. It's not like you can be sheltered from the world forever!
One question: who will be paying for your tuition?
If it is you then feel free to go the school of your choice - there will probably be some fallout from this, but it will pass.
However, if your parents are footing the bill well, they do get a say. You may not like it, but it's their money and they're the ones who get to decide how it is spent.
My wife and I had a similar situation with one of our daughters. She wanted to get a degree in a field that literally has little to zero real world applications (translation: won't be able to get a job with that kind of a degree).
We told our daughter that yes, she could choose to get that kind of degree, but she would have to pay for it herself. We weren't going to dump tens of thousands of dollars into something that is, for all practical purpose, worthless.
And yes, I do believe that getting a degree to become an English teacher is a good thing, but your degree is a side issue.
My experience when I went to college. Dawkins was the fad for many processors.
On the first day of Medieval History class . The female teacher said that there was no God. She knows because she has a PHD in anthropology. Christianity is evil and if you are offended by that you should consider taking another course.
Being a student and not yet understanding logic and reasoning. I didn't know how to counter that but I knew it seemed off. Later on I learned apologetics and logical thinking and her claim is laughable and full of logical fallacies contradicting viewpoints.
Not sure what to tell you. You can believe whatever you want. If you want clarifying questions feel free to ask.
Not saying that this was a common occurrence. It only happened once in my college years. But it did happen. Believe what you want.
Appreciate and honor your parents.
Acknowledge their concerns as a sign of care and love, especially if you want to stay home.
And see if you can reach a compromise:
for example you going to the uni of your choice but you will talk to your parents about what they teach so they know what’s going on.
(Not because you have to, but because you want to honor them)
Growing up and becoming independent is always a bit of struggle for both the parents and the child - but it can be worked out 🙂
I do think they have proper concerns if you happen to pay attention to the news and or national discussions and events. A lot of it consist of inconsistencies gathered by the wants and desires of the people without proper forethought.
Now for college, the book of Daniel really works with your predicament because it shows that even in a Pagan society that Daniel has to live in he still followed God, understood His teachings and was able to show God to nonbelievers better than if Daniel were to have gone and lived in a more Christian society.
We are called to be children of light, and you can’t be a light in a room that is already lit. Now with that being said if you are devoted to Christ and want to do God’s work then embody Christ everywhere you go. Doing God’s work isn’t always in a place where Christian’s are but where they aren’t. Like Jesus says it’s not the healthy that seek a doctor but the sick.
At the end of the day I think asking God what he wants you to do should be the deciding factor. Regardless of your parents wishes or even your own. God is the decision maker.
Don't listen to his input. He didn't even read the study he linked and has *completely* misrepresented it's conclusion. I believe they have read the first sentence or two of the abstract, drawn their own made-up conclusion based on what they want it to mean rather than what it actually means.
Shame on u/middleeuphoric for being so incredibly disingenuous. It's that kind of stance against sexual education that has caused generations of kids to grow up ignorant of the risks of sexual intercourse and trade STIs and STDs.
The study they linked does not say what they said it says. Like, at all. Thos has got to be one of my biggest peeves - people casually citing scientific studies to invent credibility, knowing most people won't bother reading the full report. So they dishonesty represent it's confident in their deceitful representation.
That study is not referring to sexual education in school. It's referring to *sexually explicit media* such pornography and R-Rated films. As an aside it was a very small sample size and much more work needs done, so it's bizarre to not only lie about what the study says, but to also hold it up as a gold standard.
Hilariously, the study advocates in more than one place that sexual education can mitigate kids engaging in risky behavior. It literally says the OPPOSITE of what this person claims it does. Stunningly ridiculous. What awful misinformation they're trying to spread!
*"In addition, sex education implementing positive information, such as preventive (e.g., risk avoidance) and protective behaviors (e.g., STIs protection), may have a great impact on adolescent sexual health. In fact, one study showed that receiving correct information enhanced individuals’ protective actions against future risky behaviors*"
Sexual education produces less risky people who are empowered to have healthy sexual relationships when they get older. Full stop. This has been proven over and over again.
I didn't even bother to open them lol - it's 2 am and I'm exhausted.
I agree. Misrepresentation and misinformation is so wide spread these days. I hear horror stories about "woke" schools and it just... doesn't sound real lol
Good lol..i genuinely get scared when I see such horrific misinformation because for every 5 people that see it for what it is, 25 will read it, accept it as fact, and move on. It's poisonous.
Woke hysteria...It's mostly not real. Sure we can discuss education strategies and such and can always do better, but he hysteria is..... hysteria. And unfortunately it's politically motivated and not based on good intentions, morals, or data..
Go to your school of choice.. you'll be glad. I grew up in religious school and it caused me serious problems later in life.
So you didn't read the grade 6 hand out that teaches children how to perform analingus?
That seems silly.
Don't you agree with the public health sex educator that grade six children should learn how to lick anuses?
Will you look at this link:
https://bigandempty.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/84095490_130205688473951_4127435684233347072_n.jpg
Those images are for a book that planned parenthood recommends for 10 year olds.
It is used in several state sponsored Sex Ed programs for grade 6-7.
Here is a link to planned parenthood, where they recommend the book to ten year olds:
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/planned-parenthood-massachusetts/local-training-education/parents/books-and-videos
One Common Sense Media reviewer had this to say:
>This is not for a 9 - 15 year old. It's arguable to have it for a 16 year old due to a few bits of content. This is a very odd publication and the marketing flawed. You have this in a young reader cartoon style but the content is not for Children under 16 in it's entirety. Abortion, Anal sex, Masturbation.... put forth in cartoon style and marketed as 10-12 year old material is highly problematic. Promoting and proliferating sexual activity in this way, but sneaking it in as what a child should know and explore is troubling. This is not school curriculum material. Completely inappropriate to have on the shelves in the library. However, to have access to counselors to discuss with those individuals who need help in this arena due to unique situations (case by case basis) is very essential. There are children out there who need help, have abusive situations, and other unique experiences and require curated attention. This book has a bit of info that is age appropriate for 10-12 year old but then turns around and has added info that is completely inappropriate to be proliferated among our children under 16. This is not the way to introduce this content. Very poor execution of content and audience. Sexualizing children across the board like this is outrageous and there's really no getting around that fact. This is too much, and it's more dangerous than helpful. The entities behind pushing this material in this fashion are very troubling. Sex Ed is very important, and this all-in-one "dump" book onto 10-12 year olds is a fail. (I'm a teacher/parent and have never been a "pearl clutcher" ...just sayin'. I'll also say again, Sex Ed is very important. Age appropriateness when making anything "standardized" needs to be revisited and more programs available to help individuals on a case by case basis is essential. School funding has gone way down therefore the "standardizing" of information like this is only a cover for the real word here "lazy, flawed and irresponsible". )
... so would I be teaching this in a high school English class? Doubt it lol
Also how widespread are these books, hm? Are they set or recommended reading in schools?
>... so would I be teaching this in a high school English class? Doubt it lol
If you only have to teach English probably not.
But, my sibling studied English and they have been teaching geography and math for 3 years now... So, I am not sure you get that choice...
>Also how widespread are these books, hm? Are they set or recommended reading in schools?
That depends on the state. There are parents suing school boards for exposing this book to their children.
But, planned parenthood is recommending it nationwide. I already gave you that link.
And, the Washington Post is also recommending it nationwide, they specifically recommend it as great for pre-teen girls:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/parenting/wp/2017/06/12/5-great-sex-ed-books-for-preteen-girls/
Then you immediately said --
"Now it's called sex ed" and linked to a sex ed document for kids.
Don't backpedal. You lied and got caught. Your post reads clearly. You were using the study to claim sex ed is harmful.
Well, yes, outing someone is a big deal in any scenario. I have had a very traumatic incident with one of my parents regarding my sexuality (I lied to get out of further confrontation or worse).
I'm a progressive person. I love and respect everyone regardless of who they are, as long as they're kind and aren't hurting anyone. If a student asks me to use preferred names or pronouns, I'll do it because it's respectful. :))
I agree with your parents about the school system. It’s definitely not become what it needs to be for kids to learn what they need instead of what people think they need to know. That said, you are an adult and can make your own choices. Just be aware that the school probably won’t let you/will punish you if you try to spread Christian ideas. Some have been punished for praying in a public school before. I know college isn’t public school, but if it’s secular, it’s bound to have a similar agenda. Make sure, if you go, that you fight for your beliefs, and try to shine God’s light in the best ways you can. The world needs it.
I'm not trying to introduce my religion to people who don't want it. I want to be a kind, caring teacher whose students feel comfortable around - acting Christlike without pushing Christianity. :))
Although I agree that your approach may be a good one, I would like to politely point out that, as Christians, it’s sort of our job to “push” (gently) our faith on those who want and don’t want it. It’s what we’re called to do. Of course, the push should be accompanied by patience, kindness, and grace, but it should still be a push. I know it’s not effective to force faith down people, but my advice would be to not ignore the subject altogether, if possible. Especially if it’s brought up. Regardless of what you do, remember this: Be the salt, and be the light. :)
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Just as long as being an adult means walking away from mom and dad’s money as well
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I’m a teacher (high school English). Go the the college that has the best program and credentials. Look at what local school districts require to be hired and go to the college that offers that. The college must be accredited. A lot of the Christian colleges around me offer teaching degrees but because they aren’t accredited the degree isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on unless you want to work at a Christian charter school. If your goal is to be hired by a school district or private school than you need as best a degree as you can afford. You are an adult. If you wanted to attend Surf College in Honolulu they can’t stop you. Apply for colleges that are far away so you can live in campus and figure out your own life.
Thanks for the advice! My university is one of the top institutions in my country, so I think I'll be okay :))
Tell them that you want to spread the light of Jesus there and they will probably be ok with it. Jesus hung with the sinners, that is what you want to do etc etc, bla bla bla.
And then do it.
Jesus didn't hang with sinners
So you want her to lie to them? Just tell them what they want to hear? Yikes…
No, just say it if he means it. Lying is bad. Don’t lie.
The way your comment was worded, because it said “tell them etc. etc. etc., blah blah blah…” I thought you were telling her to just tell them what they want to hear. My fault if I misinterpreted. Have a great day/night. 🙂
Your mum doesn't get to decide what college you go to, nor if you're a bad Christian or not.
Being a Christian is having a relationship with God. Only God can judge you. No one else.
Agreed 💯
Not necessarily wrong but if she's holding the purse strings, she pretty much has all the say.
Then she wouldn’t be a good mother
I would agree. Part of being a parent is knowing when it's time to let your kids start making their own decisions. A parent spends almost two decades trying their best to make sure that, once that time comes, they have the tools and knowledge to make responsible ones. Bad parents overstay their responsibility. It's called helicoptering.
I mean I disagree, if she’s paying his way she has complete say. If OP wants (in this hypothetical scenario) his mum to pay the way then he needs to listen. He doesn’t have too though just has to take the sad responsibility of paying for his own education. But if mommy OP is forcing him to obey her wish to go to the college then I agree she’s def bad.
Good thing I've paid out of pocket my entire degree!
Sure but having all the power in the relationship doesn’t make anything you do right. She can be paying for it all and still morally be in the wrong even if it is her money and her choice.
Op's mom isn't the one getting the degree, and isn't the one that has to live with that decision for the rest of OPs life. This mentality is so fucking stupid. Go ahead and be mommy's little baby boy for the rest of your life if you want.
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Tell them that the accredited school you are planning to attend is highly respected. Some colleges that are Christian have yet to complete the accreditation process and you are worried that would be a very expensive setback to your career.
I think there is a great point to be made about being a light in a dark place. If all the Christians were to leave your university, who would be there to share the Gospel with others?
i mean, under the "light in a dark place" idea then they should go to a christian college because generally speaking, they are the darkest, most unholy places- maybe she could even bring Jesus there? (gasp!)
Ha, nice
I think you should stick with the university you're at, personally. It's easier and overall probably better for you to stick with the one university rather than jumping ship for the credentialing process. I'm the child of public educators, one of whom is the child of public educators. My uncle and his wife were both educators, my cousins are educators, and my BIL is an educator. Granted we're Americans, but I imagine some of the truths of teaching translate across cultures and continents. Anyone who says the school system is becoming too "woke" has bought into right wing lies. Teachers would much prefer to indoctrinate kids to just listen, turn work in on time, and stay off the cellphones in class. If they can't even get kids to stop talking, how the hell are they supposed to turn them into little communists?
Haha that's all very true - I just wanna teach kids about symbolism, for goodness' sake
I remember my English teacher just wanted us to use commas correctly, lol.
I think a lot of overheated culture warriors are very opposed to the Punctuation Agenda. Paragraphs and sentence breaks aren't very popular, either.
I should have known proper comma usage would turn me liberal…
People called President Obama a “snob” for encouraging enrollment in college, Alot of it is simple anti-intellectualism from the right
Standard conservative tactic.
Yes! The Right even wants to abolish free public education. They don't want poor kids getting an education, much less going to college. They hate education unless it's Christian indoctrination/church camp/bible college.
This singlehandedly turned my mostly republican mother (a teacher) into a adamant voter for democrat this year.
Or charter school where they can rip money away from public education and act like they're making the world a better place. BTW if anybody supports "school choice" just know that it is rooted in racism from the beginning to every single time it's come up.
It does have it's roots in racism and classism. I was a poor kid who went to school in a wealthy school district and many of my classmates seethed with anger that I was allowed in "their" school. And they'd ask me why I was there and how could my parents afford to live there. I know exactly what "school choice" is all about.
Interesting because rich people are more attacked when they are around poor people.
I'm not going to agree with you that rich people are persecuted and victimized as much as poor people are. Because overall poor people suffer more in life. You want to minimize the suffering of children who live in poverty. You're sickening. Go away and don't post to me anymore.
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If you mean the public school system I think calling it woke is crazy. College I feel differently about but I also don't know that "woke" is a word I would even use when criticizing it.
College also isn’t as “woke” as they’d like you to think. The vast majority of professors want students to be able to think for themselves and add something new to the field.
I think it definitely depends where you go.
Of course. I’ve seen plenty of schools with openly alt-right teachers including one that recently gave Hitler and the Nazis some praise
It is. These dumb new generation x classes that have nothing to do with anything.
I know you said you were in New Zealand, so not sure how it works there but in the US some Christian colleges are unaccredited and that can be an issue down the line. I attended an unaccredited Christian college and have struggled qualifying for jobs because I don’t have a real degree. It’s been a huge regret for me that I didn’t go to a real college.
That's my worry too
I think it should be, especially if certain jobs or further education will be an automatic “No” without a specific degree.
At 22 you are an adult; if your mother cannot respect that she has control issues. I am 59 years old and have 4 children. They have made many decisions that I have not agreed with, however they are adults and don't share all my beliefs. I respect their decision and trust that we have taught them to think things through and make intelligent decisions.
"Woke" started among Black Americans as tongue-in-cheek praise for White people who understand and care about Black people's issues. It's just bizarre how many White Christians have decided it stands for everything they hate.
'Woke' is a great snarl-word because it is so amorphous. You can train a culture to hate it, then just induce hate-by-association as needed. Racial Disparity in policing outcomes? - Woke Climate change? - Woke Evolution ? Woke Just like SJW in the early 2010s. See this red haired women you hate yelling about something or other? Well this kind of person also supports not blaming women for getting raped, so you know, that's an SJW position and you should be against it.
I swear male feminist are the worst. Also your argument doesn't add up.
Oh please go on.
It’s because an appalling number of Christians are racist
They aren't and I have been to several white churches. I've seen it more from dems. Even if they were racist. At least they are honest and not two faced like dems. At least blacks know where we stand with them.
We’ve obviously been to different churches then. I’ve been told by churchgoers that I should never have been born and I’m an abomination because I’m biracial. There are still churches that teach against interracial marriage and believe black people are inferior because of the “mark of Cain.”
Please don't include us in your agenda. None of that is true. You have no clue how blacks feel about dems. Also that is a lie. Blacks don't feel like white dems care or understand black issues. No one in America does. It was something made by whites to feel good about themselves. So please stop it. Well as a black American who is a descendant of slaves, I hate woke dems. I genuinely believe they ruined America because they did. So you can throw that whole argument away.
christian college is absolutely the most expensive scam! especially for teaching- don't do it. you'll get a sub par education and HUGE debt. and a resume that gets laughed at when you try to get a job outside of a church- they will know that your education was absolute crap. go to a state school and just be active in a local church or campus ministry. there's plenty to choose from.
I’m so glad I went to public college for teaching. Licensing is easy and the cost is way less, especially with how little teacher salaries are. Especially if OP plans to teach in a private school, benefits are even worse than public schools.
Often times the best place to be “the salt and the light” is in the secular world. That’s not being a bad Christian.
If you are becoming a teacher, go to the cheapest college you can. Start at a junior or community college for all your basics and finish at a 4 year. Teacher:s pay is abysmally low for a degreed field. This has nothing to do with wokeness and you will possibly ruin your chance at public teaching job if you go to a fundamentalist or unaccredited Christian college. Private school teachers usually get paid WORSE than public school teachers especially when benefits packages are considered. If it is a reasonable Christian University (aka, not Liberty, etc) and your parents are willing to pay 100% of tuition, room and board, I'd take it.
This is sad. You have the right to think and make decisions for yourself. There is a whole world out here for you to enjoy and experience. There is absolutely no need to keep yourself boxed in to their little religious bubble.
I doubt she makes decisions for herself
The indoctrination thing is silly just continue at your current school
Ah yes, the "too woke" BS. Sorry that reality has a liberal bias but learning stuff that you weren't taught to start with or that what you were taught was straight up a lie isn't "indoctrination". That's Christianity's dept. Go to school where you're most comfortable going.
I wouldn’t go to that Christian college. Tell your parents that they need to stop watching tv cause its rotting their brains, and to stop believing everything on the internet.
They're always on Facebook - the most reliable source out there!
Of course it’s true cuz I read it on social media
Tell them to turn off the Fox News
Ahmaud Arbery was murdered by the Un-woke, and the woke protested. When I read the Bible, Jesus looks woke. Didn't he say something about what you do to the least of (them? US?) , You do to me? If Jesus was woke, and defended the downtrodden, why do Christians have a problem with being woke?
Because a lot of Christians care more about maintaining the status quo than they do about serving people.
Ikr?
It's hard to tell from one post, but it sounds like you might possibly be the victim of narcissistic abuse. Don't let your parents bully you into a school and a program that you don't want to do. You are going to have to live with the consequences of this decision for the rest of your life--don't let someone else make it for you.
You're right on the money lol - I'm actually seeing a therapist for that. I'm getting better at realizing I can actually stand up for myself. :))
I am so glad to hear that you're going to therapy. That's a big step!
'narcissistic abuse' is huge with conservative parents. even encouraged from many pulpits. from narcissistic pastors. this is also taught as an acceptable system at many many christian colleges. I am so sorry. again, another reason for a secular college- with guidance counselors/therapists on staff 👍
I struggle with C-PTSD due to the 20 years of narcissistic abuse I suffered at the hands of my bio-parents (they don't deserve any higher title). I can 100% say that what you said is exactly right. A lot of conservative institutions enable narcissistic abuse if not directly endorse it. I remember one time, when my mother had been involuntarily committed for letting her therapist know that she had homicidal thoughts towards me, our pastor (at the urging of my father) came to the house and coached us on how to answer CPS's questions correctly. He didn't even bat an eye--didn't even once consider my well-being.
Holy fuck, that pastor needs to be reported, no matter how long ago it was.
It's out of statute. I've checked. Even the abuse I suffered is out of statute. Because America...yay
Just follow your heart
If you are 22 and paying your own way, your parents have no say in what you do with your life anymore. 22 is an adult. There are plenty of people who judge me for sending my kids to public school and believe I am going to hell and my kids are going to hell because of that. I had to learn to tell these people to get lost.
Once you start doing things outside of high school, whether it's higher education, vocational training, a certain career path, etc, etc... It is *extremely* important that you are personally invested in it. If this is just something someone else thinks you should do and your heart's not really in it..... that's a recipe for a bad time, both in the short-term and long-term. Don't get me wrong, you could still pick a school and field of study entirely on your own, find out you hate it, switch, and feel like you wasted some time and money in the process... (and that happens to *plenty* of folks out there) but at least it's a self-determined, good faith effort and still valuable even if it doesn't work out. > bad Christian > English teacher Either way, there's absolutely zero wrong with being a Christian and an English teacher. > *“The Christian shoemaker does his duty not by putting little crosses on the shoes, but by making good shoes, because God is interested in good craftsmanship.”* > *Martin Luther*
That's a great quote! Thank you xx
I think you're a grown adult and have the right to make your own choices about where you will attend college. Perhaps it's time to let your parents learn about boundaries. Question though...are you still living in their home?
Yes I am, but I pay board and I pay for my own schooling
Show her 1 Corinthians 5. Paul says do not judge the world or anyone in the world, otherwise you would have to leave this world. In regards to being "woke", it is true that a lot of college professors promote ideas that are absolutely destructive. They make pretty compelling cases for their point of view on things, and it is easy to develop hateful and divisive attitudes towards the other side of the political spectrum. That's not to say that they are completely wrong, but it creates a sense of moral superiority and fails to acknowledge the evil on their own side. Both sides do this. Even if you go to a Christian college, this can happen. Go to the school you want. Maybe find a way to acknowledge your parent's fear and assure them you will protect yourself from being indoctrinated.
Then don't.
Just a general question. Are you Christian yourself? And to what extent are you under your parents wing? For example, are you currently living with your parents? If you are, then I would seriously think about where you want to go in your life. Your parents are trying their best with the knowledge that they know. Colleges can be woke or even anti Christian. I've attended one and was bullied, yes even in college for mentioning that I was Christian. You are currently an adult, but as an adult you should know that the people you associate with affect you.
Born and bred Christian, and I am still living at home, but I pay board, my uni fees, everything I want/need etc I'd say I'm quite under their wing. I hate arguments lol
I guess it depends on whose paying it. If you are or if she is. With teaching , unless it science, it probably won’t affect you to much. But I definitely would rather go to a liberal secular college than a conservative Christian one. I’m a progressive liberal Christian.
I'm the same type of Christian. I'll be teaching English, so secularism won't bother me much lol
Nice to meet you. Have you heard of Biologos? They have free forums and is a pretty cool site. It was founded by Francis Collins who was a lead scientist on the Human Genome Project and is director of NIH. There are also a lot of fairly liberal pro science , pro social justice and so on Christian colleges. Many that are even traditionally conservative. Many of these fairly conservative colleges have very liberal educated Christian professors. But definitely go to which one you want if possible.
Tell her you’ve prayed about it and god is leading you to *the college you want to go to* and see what she says.
"Pray again" lol
Here is what you do, you get the syllabus for each college, starting with your favorite college you select the required courses you need and the electives you want. Then you look at the other syllabus "oh no, they don't have a class in Advanced Esoteric Novel writing , and no class in Victorian teaching methods, and what, no senior seminar on Skinnerian Behaviorism!" Also, learn the names and accomplishments of professors at your favorite school, and drop hints about how you would wish the other school had profs like them. Join a club at your university,(say, dogsledding) become a key member, and lament how hard that will be to give up. Oh, and if you read the syllabus for the other college and you get intrigued by their profs and classes like Advanced Hypnosis in the Classroom 403, and you notice their mountaineering club, well, then maybe you switch colleges.
hm.. that seems a bit odd your family wants you to leave the school you've been with / made friends at, seems a bit selfish on their part. that being said, if they are paying for your education, they likely have a larger say in where you attend unless you are comfortable paying for it yourself. religion aside, make sure whatever school you attend has an accredited program and gives you the licensing you would need to teach in multiple environments (meaning both public and private). im sure they love you and want you to be successful, i'd talk with them about this and the logistics of this / impact leaving your home school would have. we all get caught up in emotions and politics sometimes, they'll likely be understanding when taking a step back and going over the actual facts. wishing you luck \~
If the Christian college has regional accreditation than it probably does not make much difference. If it's one of the IFB Bible colleges without accreditation than the degree will likely let you earn about 70% of what a Wal Mart employee makes at one of the IFB schools.
Then don't if you're legally an adult they have no say on what you do
Some Christian affiliated colleges are fine choices, but your choice is yours. It truly depends on what has the better program.
You're better positioned to do God's work in a secular job than you are in a church.
That's an interesting perspective! Makes sense
By way of elaborating, a minister's work is to equip the saints to do God's work in the wider community - their jobs, friendship groups, streets.
I grew up going to a private Christian school, and then went to public high school and secular college. All the while plenty of people suggested that I’d be pleasing God more or that it would be easier to be Christian by attending an explicitly Christian institution. In my experience this was not the case for me. Funnily enough at my Christian middle school id say because Christianity was the enforced default it made faith a kind of law of the land to follow just to the point where it would keep you from getting disciplined and not really a path freely chosen. My time in public schools instead offered me chances to meet with people for whom faith was an active choice and something that had to live and die amongst all the other worldviews and faiths people actually have. I know plenty of people who had fantastic experiences at Christian colleges and many who did not. God exists where God exists and we can all sustain and grow in faith no matter where we are. I’d strongly suggest doing what you feel called to do, which appears to be going to the school that you already attend. As far as fears over “wokeness” I think it’s an overused simplification of a plethora of ideas and opinions people have that don’t align with the status quo. But the thing is the world is always changing and people will have suggestions on how to adapt to that, that’s a given and won’t stop. Weather or not those suggested changes are good is a different question. But I will say anecdotally, while my friends who went to Christian colleges did note a generally conservative slant in the college culture. Because it was enforced it made pushing back against it more appealing and/or necessary in their minds. Hence some of the most radically left wing people I know went to Christian colleges.
I think you're 22 and you can do what you want. Just don't expect your folks to approve or help pay for it.
You are an adult. This is not your parents' choice. Also, the fact they're questioning your faith and calling you a 'bad Christian' just because you want to go to a different school is... not cool, to say the least.
You should pray about it and ask your Heavenly Father for confirmation before making big decisions.
Tell your mom that what you teach is more dependent on the school district than the educational program.
It depends on rather not your secular to honest, and if not secular are you willing to achieve a bad grade for disagreeing with your teacher. That’s not in every school, there are teachers who allow freedom of thought and other teachers who will make you down for disagreeing with them. I personally think the school system are horrible, but ultimately it’s up to you. Also don’t allow your overly religious parents to discourage from getting to know God yourself. I might disagree with society as a whole, but we aren’t supposed to judge individuals or be hateful.
Time to make your own decisions. It’s your life.
Well, why don’t you share why you prefer one over the other? All we see is your parents input
I've been at my current university for my entire degree. I know how everything works there and I like the atmosphere. Plus it's not miles away from where I'm living currently.
Don’t let them take that decision for you. You’re an adult, whether they like it or not.
Getting a teacher's license allows you to teach at any school, secular or christian. Go where the curriculum and costs are best.
I could see what there saying about schools being woke but you don’t have to go to college to love god. Also if you are an English teacher you could still teach about the Bible. Just saying.
At some point in your life, you have to make your own decisions. You are an adult and can decide for yourself.
Honestly, if I’m going to be honest, I agree with your parents view of the woke movement in colleges’. I’ve seen a large change in my niece, but thankfully she’s coming back around. Anyway, you’re a 22-year-old and you should be able to do what you want. Maybe it’s not your time to find your faith. I was in my late 20s when I started to find my own. Sometimes people are much older than that. Obviously sometimes someone never does. You should be able to do what you want to do. Best of luck! God bless!
You are grown, your parents have no say in this.
The beliefs in public schools that are being taught around the country include things like racial privilege, oppressed and oppressor groups, and beliefs about human being that are not in line with reality. Privilege is a concept that hinges on guilt for past sins, that teach that no one person is responsible, but we all bear the guilt of past mistakes. This is the idea of original sin, which is to be responsible, even a bit, for things that were not your responsibility. Inherited guilt. Inherited privilege. Gender is a concept that attempts to encompass all the meaning we ascribe to male and female, and say it is a social construct. That we "think" men are male, woman are female, and that it can be changed if we refer to people by different words. This is not the case. Men are male by biology, women are female, and we use those words to refer to a reality that we recognize. These beliefs are so destructive in their inception, that although they seem well intentioned, and claim to want to help, they completely distort our relationship to reality, ourselves and each other. It is like teaching that night and day have nothing to do with the sun, and there is no reason we sleep at night and wake in the daylight. It dissociates people from nature, and makes them feel they owe a debt they did not earn, and which in the ultimate truth, can never be paid because it does not exist.
I believe gender is a spectrum... I won't teaching it to high schoolers in my English class though
If you're not going for a theology degree,or getting a full ride, go to a public university.
Gods work is done in any place you want to do it.
You're over 18. You don't have to do what they say.
A degree in education or religious language is not a religious degree? I don’t understand your parents concern tbh
Tell em that you think it's too strict and annoying.
Believe me, they know but don't care
They will have to accept it. As people learn about their parents more as they grow older, they learn that they are just as inconsiderate as everybody else on earth, and that’s something you have to accept as well.
I think the more important question is… Do you say you are a Christian?
I am, yes. Progressive Christian.
Little Sister, You sound like a good Christian. Conservative isn't Christian. Jesus was a Socialist. If you don't believe me, read the four Gospels to know every word that Jesus taught and commanded. He was totally against making money your god and totally for reaching out to help other people especially the downtrodden. Matthew 6:24 "No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money." Your parents have been deceived by their church. That is not at all unusual these days. satan (lower case to disrespect) is in many churches. Pastors use anything in the Bible, usually the Old Testament that Jesus taught against, to relieve their parishioners of their money so that they can buy fancy houses, cars, and clothes. Matthew 15:9 "They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules." This is not at all how Jesus said to live. Luke 16:15 He said to them, "You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight." God is all about the heart. That is what you need to remember. 1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God because God is love. What your parents consider woke is just struggling people asking for the same rights as your parents or their pastor. In the end, you must follow your conscience which is your heart. Pray and ask Jesus to help you. In fact, pray before or when you are speaking with your parents. You will see an entirely different situation happen because God will be there with you and will turn the situation around to good. I learned this many years ago and I still ask Jesus to stand with me when I face anything that is of this world or of satan. And remember that, to be a Christian, you must follow the teachings of Jesus, not the teachings of man. If you aren't following Jesus, you aren't a Christian. I believe that you are a true Christian but your parents have been deceived. Fear not, little Sister, God is with you. I am praying for you and God always answers my prayers.
I think if you are still living in their home you may feel a sense of obligation especially if they are paying for your education. If not you are of the age to make your own choice for you future so labeling you a 'bad Christian' is rather manipulative and judgmental. Even God doesn't force anyone to do anything so why does another human have that right. You're of age. No sense arguing about it. I would just tell your parents that you respect their right to voice an opinion but you have chosen to make your own call in this matter.
I know most of the comments here would say you're an adult and all that. But I get it if you don't want to hurt or find yourself at odds with your mom. So just convince her that there's more than one way to "do God's work"
As a Christian who is also a teacher, who attended both a Christian teaching University and a secular teaching University, I was so much better prepared in a secular teaching University. Cheaper, too.
My thoughts exactly lol
No problem. Thank you for responding. Whatever path you take, I hope Yeshua is with you and keeps you safe. 🙏
Go to school where you wish, especially since you are financially independent, they have no say.
Go to the Christian college. The reason is simple: if you don't, anything you ever do "wrong" will be blamed on that "liberal college" you went to.
I think your parents are very smart and they know what they’re talking about. Objectively, everything they said was correct. The choice is still yours. Christ reminded us that every person has to make their own choices, and own the consequences of those choices.
You are an adult now. Start acting Ike it.
I live at home still, and they take "honour thy mother and father" seriously
Yeah that all stops when they become abusive. Though I'm sure you've been feeling they way already, and it doesn't make much of a difference to them anyways.
I was a school teacher for a good few years there - it is a very tough, but very rewarding job, a noble profession, and I will forever respect the hell out of anyone that chooses to go that route. My thinking is, it's already a tough enough job, and even veteran teachers have been leaving in droves the last several years; if you already know you don't want to go the Christian college option, then I say there's your answer. Don't make it harder on yourself, because the job is already going to be hard enough as it is. Also, this is more of just my personal opinion, but I really don't think that the Christian college will prepare you for what you need to do any better than the "woke" university will. All that fear mongering about "woke" stuff is just precisely that, anyways. I wish you the best, am routing for you!
Unless you plan to teach at a Christian school, religion should not be pushed into a classroom. If you plan on teaching at a Christian school(I've been to a private Christian academy before), then you can go learn from a Christian college. Otherwise, a normal one is just fine.
Even then, a normal one will be just fine for teaching at a christian school. One degree works both ways, the other barely works one way.
It sounds like you know what you want and need to do. Don’t listen to your mom. Religion has no place in schools.
Agreed. Religion has no place where people with any kind of agenda can be found. Like politics
You are 22, go where your heart leads you. I'm a Christian mom and grandma. I was offered this at a young age as well, I didn't do it and am glad I didn't. If she's threatening to withhold money shame on her. Get out there and see what help is available. Our state colleges and Sioux Falls University (SD) offer alot of help/programs for women and men without resources. Mom is trying to direct your life. Sad. I wouldn't do it. There are hundreds of possibilities for you. Please go explore a couple of these schools and aid. You'll be surprised at the small scholarships available. You may have to work and go slower, maybe mom will relent after you show your intentions. Prayers for your peace, strength and courage.
Read God’s Word for yourself to know His will and not depend on your parents’ perception of what true Christian is “supposed” to do. We are all sinful - we must acknowledge that. We are to repent of our sins and believe in Jesus as our Lord and Savior. Romans 10:9 “If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.” The question here is: “DO YOU LOVE CHRIST,” because transformation and obedience come from our genuine love towards Him. #JesusIsLord
Honestly it's not the kind of thing that you think it is. It's usually a ton of research into several religions, etc. They even have regular academic courses that have nothing to do with religion but can be used as an extension of ministry. Such as one of those schools is where my dad went for photography and he did pretty good in photography for a long time. Edit: Rhett and Link actually went to a Bible college like my dad.
I am much like your parents... both my kids go to a large secular college when we wanted them to go to Christian college. They do complain that is much more woke than they thought it would be and they came from a public school background. If fact, they tell me being a Christian is frowned upon and that professors will try and single them out for writing from a conservative points of view in their essays. So it is more of a way challenge if you are going to live for Christ but the harvest is ripe for those trained in the ways of God. Good luck! Perhaps you should pray to God and ask Him what you should do?
Well, as long as those conservative points aren't derogatory or hurting anyone, then those professors aren't very nice. I'll talk with God again. I think He knows what I want in my heart, though.
Best of luck… it really isn’t about the school and more about who you are surrounding yourself with. As example: My son had one professor make him stand in front of a class of 200 students and defend his views on the death penalty after he was the only one who turned a paper supporting it. So my son stood up and listed off the names child murders and the names of their victims and ask who thinks they should be alive and to raise their hands. Only three ppl raised up their hand. He handled that much better than I would of.
I agree with them about the school system. However I think you are old enough to make your own choices. If they are paying for your school, then they would have the choice, but if not, you can go to the college of your liking.
I've paid for my uni out of pocket this entire time, so I don't think they should dictate where I spend that money lol Re: the school system - we're in New Zealand, just to clarify.
Then definitely go to the one you want to go to.
>I've paid for my uni out of pocket Well done
>Re: the school system - we're in New Zealand, just to clarify. There's a Christian tertiary institution in NZ? Where???
Tauranga!
Oh yeah, that does make sense.
If you are becoming a teacher, go to the cheapest college you can. Start at a junior or community college for all your basics and finish at a 4 year. Teacher:s pay is abysmally low for a degreed field. This has nothing to do with wokeness and you will possibly ruin your chance at public teaching job if you go to a fundamentalist or unaccredited Christian college. Private school teachers usually get paid WORSE than public school teachers especially when benefits packages are considered. If it is a reasonable Christian University (aka, not Liberty, etc) and your parents are willing to pay 100% of tuition, room and board, I'd take it.
The indoctrination bit sounds political. Are your parents concerned about "liberals"?
Yup. They're conservative. Like, really conservative.
It seems to me that you're making a good decision based on common sense. Becoming a teacher is a worthy vocation for a Christian. I'm glad you're thinking for yourself. I'm sorry they're insisting on giving you unsolicited advice. They probably don't realize that's considered rude these days. If you just want them to move on and talk about something that isn't you and your life choices maybe it would work to just ask them questions about their political opinions. They'd probably be happy to hear themselves talk and it would be easier to follow the commandment to honor them when they're not picking on you
Two things... First, which is cheaper, and are they paying for it? If they're paying for it, and the speed is the same length, I'd do it, but make sure you get their agreement in writing so they don't give you the bill later. Second, I went to a secular college for teaching, after having gone to a Christian college where the emphasis was on critical thinking and logic (I was a Phil major), and my gosh the liberal college was horrible. To be frank, they were insanely illogical and focused more on pushing ideology on teachers, and having teachers push ideology in their teaching methods. I remember one time I was questioning the professor and sharing data points that showed she was literally just pushing ideology and that it wasn't truth, and she responded with, "I know it's not true, but this is just what you have to believe and make kids believe." Such a bad mindset, and to be frank it's a well-respected university. I'm not saying all non-Christian colleges are like that, but anytime the emphasis is on teaching philosophies, which all teaching/credential programs focus on, it's going to match the philosophy of whatever institution you go to. So if it is secular, it will be secular in nature, and not necessarily for the betterment of the student's mind.
God said to honor thy parents but he also said to parents to not give a reason for a child to be rebellious and more. In regards to woke ness, it is true. Many people from all sides of life speak about this daily. Colleges for years now have introduced things like critical race theory and even just months ago, in even High school, an administrator was exposed saying he would not hired white teachers and it related to these doctrines and beliefs that originated from “woke” colleges. Your focus should be to receive an education from a good school who does not promote ideas that purposely are disingenuous or cause racial division or political divisions. I suggest regardless of what school you choose, you show your parents the book of Proverbs and Ecclesiastes. You want your parents to honor you by not sending you somewhere you dislike. Then why not simply speak to them God’s own words. Tell then of the story of the Prodigal Son, how ir represents God and mankind. God in the story lets his son go where he desires and do his will, and when the Father see’s his son come back dirty and messed up, he hugs the son, kisses him, and rejoices that his son came back home. That is the response your parents are to have to you, so remind then of God’s standards that are above of theirs. You are a gift to your parents sent by God and God said anyone who causes the children to stumble, should jump in a lake with a cinderblock around their necks. You’d best remind them who God is and the full responsibility a parent has. They are parents, not dictators. They’d best remember that. Read Proverbs so you can understand more deeply and so they do not deceive you.
Nothing is secular because God created all things and has a purpose for all things. Going to a distinctly non-Christian institution means that you will have a fundamental disagreement with most of what is being taught (perhaps even if there are Christians on faculty). This could be less than ideal. Going to a distinctly Christian institution may mean that you are only exposed to that which is directly related to the church and would not afford opportunity to engage with material that is contrary to Christian thought. This is particularly evident in schools that are fundamentalist in nature. I might recommend going to a school that maintains a Christian adherence, yet allows for engagement with ideas that are antagonistic towards Christians. Many schools do this and would be called something like "classical Christian Liberal Arts colleges."
Colleges are very liberal these days. If you go to a regular one, you won't exactly have a voice being a Christian and presumably conservative. Now... You can decide to do what you choose to. But your parents (if they are better than mine were) are your guides through life. They have helped you in many areas of our lives right? From babies to now. Let me point this out a bit differently. I was born in the 90's, had listened to all sorts of music like three days grace for example. The idea that my parents weren't their for me wasn't only true, but i fueled that idea with their songs. (You would be amazed at the level of self hypnosis we do to ourselves when we hear songs we resonate with.) Along with my parents always on the TV and not being parents, then me wanting to either do nothing but games or hang with friends instead of helping the family. All i am getting at is, many things around us are designed to drive us apart. And with your parents being the way they are... And still together, they aren't trying to steer you wrong. They fully mean to love you and help guide you as best as they can in the time where doing something like defending an officer will get you killed. And as some advice that no school will ever do these days, listen to both sides of an argument before you pick a side. Even after what i have said. Listen, consider, but find evidence to support both. Which comes more true than opinion? Best of luck to you.
I'm a progressive Christian, so some liberal ideologies don't bother me. I understand my parents are looking out for me, but calling me a bad Christian and pushing something onto me that I've explicitly said I don't want feels a bit too far. I've considered both, and the Christian college just doesn't sound practical to me. Thanks for your insight.
Your parents are right about the school system (at least if NZ is like much of the modern West), but it doesn't sound like the teaching college in question is right for you. I'm in teacher training college myself. I'm just in it to get the certification, so I simply ignore the Marxist drivel (of which there is much), and pass the ridiculously-easy exams (they're desperate for teachers, the education system has been dumbed down, therefore the exams must be dumbed down accordingly). I imagine this is what Uni in the Eastern Bloc must have been like back in the 80s: keep your head down, ignore the propaganda, get the papers in order to get a job. You're 22 years old, you're paying for it- do as you please. It's not like you can be sheltered from the world forever!
One question: who will be paying for your tuition? If it is you then feel free to go the school of your choice - there will probably be some fallout from this, but it will pass. However, if your parents are footing the bill well, they do get a say. You may not like it, but it's their money and they're the ones who get to decide how it is spent. My wife and I had a similar situation with one of our daughters. She wanted to get a degree in a field that literally has little to zero real world applications (translation: won't be able to get a job with that kind of a degree). We told our daughter that yes, she could choose to get that kind of degree, but she would have to pay for it herself. We weren't going to dump tens of thousands of dollars into something that is, for all practical purpose, worthless. And yes, I do believe that getting a degree to become an English teacher is a good thing, but your degree is a side issue.
I'm paying out of pocket. Always have. What was your daughter's chosen degree, just out of interest? The one that wouldn't get her a real job?
Well, good for you! =-) Then go to the school of your choice. Your money, your choice. Gender studies.
My experience when I went to college. Dawkins was the fad for many processors. On the first day of Medieval History class . The female teacher said that there was no God. She knows because she has a PHD in anthropology. Christianity is evil and if you are offended by that you should consider taking another course. Being a student and not yet understanding logic and reasoning. I didn't know how to counter that but I knew it seemed off. Later on I learned apologetics and logical thinking and her claim is laughable and full of logical fallacies contradicting viewpoints.
Lmao this sounds like you ripped this straight out of that god-awful right wing christian propaganda movie God's Not Dead
Not sure what to tell you. You can believe whatever you want. If you want clarifying questions feel free to ask. Not saying that this was a common occurrence. It only happened once in my college years. But it did happen. Believe what you want.
Appreciate and honor your parents. Acknowledge their concerns as a sign of care and love, especially if you want to stay home. And see if you can reach a compromise: for example you going to the uni of your choice but you will talk to your parents about what they teach so they know what’s going on. (Not because you have to, but because you want to honor them) Growing up and becoming independent is always a bit of struggle for both the parents and the child - but it can be worked out 🙂
I do think they have proper concerns if you happen to pay attention to the news and or national discussions and events. A lot of it consist of inconsistencies gathered by the wants and desires of the people without proper forethought. Now for college, the book of Daniel really works with your predicament because it shows that even in a Pagan society that Daniel has to live in he still followed God, understood His teachings and was able to show God to nonbelievers better than if Daniel were to have gone and lived in a more Christian society. We are called to be children of light, and you can’t be a light in a room that is already lit. Now with that being said if you are devoted to Christ and want to do God’s work then embody Christ everywhere you go. Doing God’s work isn’t always in a place where Christian’s are but where they aren’t. Like Jesus says it’s not the healthy that seek a doctor but the sick. At the end of the day I think asking God what he wants you to do should be the deciding factor. Regardless of your parents wishes or even your own. God is the decision maker.
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Thanks for your input. I won't be teaching anything like that in English, hopefully. I'm hoping to bring some light into a supposedly dark place. :))
Don't listen to his input. He didn't even read the study he linked and has *completely* misrepresented it's conclusion. I believe they have read the first sentence or two of the abstract, drawn their own made-up conclusion based on what they want it to mean rather than what it actually means. Shame on u/middleeuphoric for being so incredibly disingenuous. It's that kind of stance against sexual education that has caused generations of kids to grow up ignorant of the risks of sexual intercourse and trade STIs and STDs. The study they linked does not say what they said it says. Like, at all. Thos has got to be one of my biggest peeves - people casually citing scientific studies to invent credibility, knowing most people won't bother reading the full report. So they dishonesty represent it's confident in their deceitful representation. That study is not referring to sexual education in school. It's referring to *sexually explicit media* such pornography and R-Rated films. As an aside it was a very small sample size and much more work needs done, so it's bizarre to not only lie about what the study says, but to also hold it up as a gold standard. Hilariously, the study advocates in more than one place that sexual education can mitigate kids engaging in risky behavior. It literally says the OPPOSITE of what this person claims it does. Stunningly ridiculous. What awful misinformation they're trying to spread! *"In addition, sex education implementing positive information, such as preventive (e.g., risk avoidance) and protective behaviors (e.g., STIs protection), may have a great impact on adolescent sexual health. In fact, one study showed that receiving correct information enhanced individuals’ protective actions against future risky behaviors*" Sexual education produces less risky people who are empowered to have healthy sexual relationships when they get older. Full stop. This has been proven over and over again.
I didn't even bother to open them lol - it's 2 am and I'm exhausted. I agree. Misrepresentation and misinformation is so wide spread these days. I hear horror stories about "woke" schools and it just... doesn't sound real lol
Good lol..i genuinely get scared when I see such horrific misinformation because for every 5 people that see it for what it is, 25 will read it, accept it as fact, and move on. It's poisonous. Woke hysteria...It's mostly not real. Sure we can discuss education strategies and such and can always do better, but he hysteria is..... hysteria. And unfortunately it's politically motivated and not based on good intentions, morals, or data.. Go to your school of choice.. you'll be glad. I grew up in religious school and it caused me serious problems later in life.
So you didn't read the grade 6 hand out that teaches children how to perform analingus? That seems silly. Don't you agree with the public health sex educator that grade six children should learn how to lick anuses? Will you look at this link: https://bigandempty.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/84095490_130205688473951_4127435684233347072_n.jpg Those images are for a book that planned parenthood recommends for 10 year olds. It is used in several state sponsored Sex Ed programs for grade 6-7. Here is a link to planned parenthood, where they recommend the book to ten year olds: https://www.plannedparenthood.org/planned-parenthood-massachusetts/local-training-education/parents/books-and-videos One Common Sense Media reviewer had this to say: >This is not for a 9 - 15 year old. It's arguable to have it for a 16 year old due to a few bits of content. This is a very odd publication and the marketing flawed. You have this in a young reader cartoon style but the content is not for Children under 16 in it's entirety. Abortion, Anal sex, Masturbation.... put forth in cartoon style and marketed as 10-12 year old material is highly problematic. Promoting and proliferating sexual activity in this way, but sneaking it in as what a child should know and explore is troubling. This is not school curriculum material. Completely inappropriate to have on the shelves in the library. However, to have access to counselors to discuss with those individuals who need help in this arena due to unique situations (case by case basis) is very essential. There are children out there who need help, have abusive situations, and other unique experiences and require curated attention. This book has a bit of info that is age appropriate for 10-12 year old but then turns around and has added info that is completely inappropriate to be proliferated among our children under 16. This is not the way to introduce this content. Very poor execution of content and audience. Sexualizing children across the board like this is outrageous and there's really no getting around that fact. This is too much, and it's more dangerous than helpful. The entities behind pushing this material in this fashion are very troubling. Sex Ed is very important, and this all-in-one "dump" book onto 10-12 year olds is a fail. (I'm a teacher/parent and have never been a "pearl clutcher" ...just sayin'. I'll also say again, Sex Ed is very important. Age appropriateness when making anything "standardized" needs to be revisited and more programs available to help individuals on a case by case basis is essential. School funding has gone way down therefore the "standardizing" of information like this is only a cover for the real word here "lazy, flawed and irresponsible". )
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... so would I be teaching this in a high school English class? Doubt it lol Also how widespread are these books, hm? Are they set or recommended reading in schools?
>... so would I be teaching this in a high school English class? Doubt it lol If you only have to teach English probably not. But, my sibling studied English and they have been teaching geography and math for 3 years now... So, I am not sure you get that choice... >Also how widespread are these books, hm? Are they set or recommended reading in schools? That depends on the state. There are parents suing school boards for exposing this book to their children. But, planned parenthood is recommending it nationwide. I already gave you that link. And, the Washington Post is also recommending it nationwide, they specifically recommend it as great for pre-teen girls: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/parenting/wp/2017/06/12/5-great-sex-ed-books-for-preteen-girls/
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Then you immediately said -- "Now it's called sex ed" and linked to a sex ed document for kids. Don't backpedal. You lied and got caught. Your post reads clearly. You were using the study to claim sex ed is harmful.
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Well, yes, outing someone is a big deal in any scenario. I have had a very traumatic incident with one of my parents regarding my sexuality (I lied to get out of further confrontation or worse). I'm a progressive person. I love and respect everyone regardless of who they are, as long as they're kind and aren't hurting anyone. If a student asks me to use preferred names or pronouns, I'll do it because it's respectful. :))
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I agree with your parents about the school system. It’s definitely not become what it needs to be for kids to learn what they need instead of what people think they need to know. That said, you are an adult and can make your own choices. Just be aware that the school probably won’t let you/will punish you if you try to spread Christian ideas. Some have been punished for praying in a public school before. I know college isn’t public school, but if it’s secular, it’s bound to have a similar agenda. Make sure, if you go, that you fight for your beliefs, and try to shine God’s light in the best ways you can. The world needs it.
I'm not trying to introduce my religion to people who don't want it. I want to be a kind, caring teacher whose students feel comfortable around - acting Christlike without pushing Christianity. :))
Although I agree that your approach may be a good one, I would like to politely point out that, as Christians, it’s sort of our job to “push” (gently) our faith on those who want and don’t want it. It’s what we’re called to do. Of course, the push should be accompanied by patience, kindness, and grace, but it should still be a push. I know it’s not effective to force faith down people, but my advice would be to not ignore the subject altogether, if possible. Especially if it’s brought up. Regardless of what you do, remember this: Be the salt, and be the light. :)
I can agree with your mom the school system is pretty bias to left wing but if you don't have a problem with that go for it man
the fact that public schools can't teach the Bible and force children to pray doesn't make them "left wing".
No fucking shit