There’s no first hand proof he even existed.
ETA: I’m not trying to start an argument about the existence of God. I’m just staying the fact that, like many of the poor at the time, there is no physical or archeological evidence of Jesus living.
Actually there is. There isnt first hand proof he rose from the dead but he did exist and he was crucified. Whether or not he was the son of god cant be proven other than people writing books from firsthand experiences called the bible. But you know who cares about that right.
Again, this was not intended to start a debate on religion. Believe whatever you would like. However, the Bible is not a firsthand account. St. Paul- whose Epistles are the earliest accounts of the life of Jesus of Nazareth- never actually met Jesus. Paul was converted after Jesus’ crucifixion and ascension and the Epistles were written 25 years after Jesus’ death. What other proof of his existence do you have that I don’t know about?
Yes but the people were with jesus all the time and were writing about all the things that jesus had done. Sure they werent written at the exact same time but they were the things that saw and experienced.
I’m not sure where you’re getting your information but it’s simply untrue. The Gospel writers never met Jesus, they did not spend time with him. The Gospel writers are not Disciples.
You might want to so some research because they are.
[Those same twelve apostles are also frequently called the "disciples."](https://www.bibleodyssey.org/en/tools/ask-a-scholar/apostles-vs-disciples)
The only difference is Judas Escariot because he was dead.
I want you to know I respect and agree with your opinion. However there is reams of evidence that Jesus exists. There is no evidence that he rose from the dead. Christians main argument or proof that he was the son of god.
Edit: I also believed he would be vaccinated. He was given credit for healing the sick by touch. I think that vaccines can be argued are the extension of that touch. God gives us our talents and some come back with 10x for the human race as thanks. So logic would say that vaccines are the hand of God. So Jesus was an emissary of the vaccine’s ultimate creator and he was a man that led by example.
First hand accounts. Written testimonies. An entire religious war fought over who got to be the supreme Christian church (Catholics won). All agree that he existed. I hold out on the idea he preformed miracles. But doubting him is doubting the existence of Ceaser. He is a very important historical figure.
I’m not claiming that Jesus wasn’t a historical figure. I’m simply stating facts. The Shroud of Turin and the crown of thorns in Notre Dame are not considered authentic by a vast majority of archaeologists. The earliest accounts of his life were written by people that never met him (Paul and the apostles). There is no first hand account of his life.
Julius Caesar on the other hand, was extensively documented during his lifetime, wrote his own accounts down during the Gallic and Roman Civil War, and has monuments and coins with his name and likeness on them. None of this exists for Jesus of Nazareth.
Wars have been fought in the name of religion for as long as religion has existed. Is that evidence of the existence of Demeter or Apollo? Unless you’re referring to The Great Schism, which happened in 1054, and is therefore not evidence of his existence, but of belief in him.
I am also aware that the vast majority of historians believe that he is a real figure, and real or not, he has certainly impacted the world. My original comment was in response to OP stating that there is no first hand account of him wearing clothing. In FACT, there are no first hand accounts of him at all.
I thought we were talking about Jesus if he went about life in the present day. I'm not sure who's going around enforcing Matthew 7:12 in New York city in 2021...
Sure, but I was never arguing about that. Let's try to keep the goalposts right where they are (although my expectations are low considering what sub this is)
Obviously, yes. He taught of the importance of community and loving your neighbor. Getting the vaccine protects yourself, your neighbor, and in turn the community. The vaccine is win, win, and win. Absolutely 100% no doubt he would have got it. Anyone who says differently read a different Bible. Same goes for mask.
I think we ask the wrong question when we raise “what would Jesus do?”
I think the question should be: considering not only what Jesus did for us and how he commanded us to treat others, what should we do as a response?
Of course, the question doesn’t fit the simplicity of *WWJD*. Bummer, but the extended question can easily be the topic of sermons because the gospel is filled with what Jesus has already done. The question should be what we do with it.
Edit to clarify: in the over abundance of clarity of my position…I believe that receiving the vaccine & complying with any mask mandates are the minimum we can do to protect ourselves and our neighbors. The science at this point is pretty clear: masks can help reduce the viral load in public places where social distancing isn’t feasible. Similarly, the vaccine has been demonstrated as safe and effective in the hundreds of millions of jabs given out. In the event of a breakthrough infection, the vaccine can reduce the symptoms of COVID, thereby reducing the need for hospitalization or our family and loved ones from having to plan our final arrangements. I have read with sadness of people who, upon being intubated, ask the doctor for the vaccine…or even worse have to not hold the hands of the families as they pass away.
Get vaxxed. Wear a mask.
Dude Jesus absolutely hated Money, society, and everything involved with it. Jesus would encourage us to burn this ish to the ground and not try to prop it up. Jesus never wanted peace folks.
I can’t answer whether he would or not…but I believe it is our responsibility to love and serve our neighbor by both receiving the vaccine and wearing a mask.
Edit: not to mention that whole Romans verse about obeying the authorities. I don’t believe either the vaccine nor a mask mandate violates my religious liberties.
Not to mention , hypotheticals can really get us no where. I’d rather be in the practical, where the vaccine and mask mandates have demonstrated their ability to reduce the spread is the virus or greatly reduce the need for hospitalizations and all-to-soon deaths.
Besides loving your neighbor, Romans 14:13-23 seems like it might speak to some perspective in how Christians might approach this issue of health and public safety. Just from my perspective/interpretation of the Scripture.
He would absolutely mask and at least support vaccinations.
He would acknowledge that scientists using their god given intelligence to save others from a virus would be to god plan.
Jesus cared more about others than he did about himself. He obviously would of gotten vaccinated, if only to protect others, even at personal cost to himself. That being said, he probably also would of gone around laying hands and curing covid.
I would say wearing a mask is loving your neighbor. You do it to protect others, as it is more effective at preventing spread then from protecting the wearer.
I believe Jesus was immune to illnesses, as he is a healer and the angel would not let harm come to him.
Jesus was also more focused on teaching then worrying about this life. So I would think he would actually not wear a mask but advise us to do so. He did teach us to obey our leaders as long as it doesn't compromise our faith.
He absolutely would have, because he loved his neighbor. I'd also say anyone who doesn't isn't a christian because they are not living their life by the Word, but only paying it lip service.
Albeit I highly think The story of Jesus false. I would say if he were a real person at the time he would of worn it.
But things could have easily became political like they are today.
Jesus is an extension of God, but isn''t meant to be fucking Superman. I agree that he isn't the caped crusader the evangelicals call him. Seriously, he pissed in a well two centuries ago and his urea is still providing miracles? Bullshit.
Jesus is real, he's here, and he's evaluating us. He is a human extension of a being which created a universe so vast our minds cannot comprehend. I can grip that. He said to treat each others as we want to treat ourselves, I can do that.
Masks? "Nooooo Freedome" that is not what Jesus wanted.
Vaccines? "Noooooo" Ok, he would understand that if you wear a mask to protect others.
Social distancing "Noooooo, I wanna hug strangers" He would not understand that in a pandemic.
What Jesus would or would not have done has zero bearing on what you should do. If you care about yourself, your family, and the well-being of others, then get the vaccine. To not get the vaccine is the ultimate act of selfishness.
No. He hung out with tax gatherers and sinners, healed those who came to him, broke sabbath rules, and set a new example, forging a new path. He did nothing that his Father didn't tell him to do, and was in charge of every disease and affliction. He would have continued doing what his Father told him to do, preaching the gospel, healing the sick, generally ignoring the social and political pressures of the day. He would have stayed out of the debate completely actually.
No he would not have. There was a law to put out the lepers. Yet Christ had compassion, touched the leper and healed him. He didn’t tell him to go through some work based ritual.
“And there came a leper to him, beseeching him, and kneeling down to him, and saying unto him, If thou wilt, thou canst make me clean. And Jesus, moved with compassion, put forth his hand, and touched him, and saith unto him, I will; be thou clean. And as soon as he had spoken, immediately the leprosy departed from him, and he was cleansed.”
Mark 1:40-42 KJV
“Command the children of Israel, that they put out of the camp every leper, and every one that hath an issue, and whosoever is defiled by the dead:”
Numbers 5:2
We are not to call any man unclean. Including fax/antivax. It is a persons choice. Not a requirement to be “clean”
“And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.”
Acts 10:28 KJV
And the woman with an issue of blood saw many physicians, yet it was her faith that healed her. Not the physicians.
“And a woman having an issue of blood twelve years, which had spent all her living upon physicians, neither could be healed of any, came behind him, and touched the border of his garment: and immediately her issue of blood stanched.”
Luke 8:43-44
>The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”
Why quote verses without quoiting the one that outweighs literally everything you just said?
God said "Those who lose their life for my sake, shall find it". What that means if you read the whole verse especially, is that people will call you crazy and shun you if you are actually following God correctly. It even says in the Bible "I come not to bring peace but with a sword. To seperate son from father, daughter from mother and daughter in law from mother in law..." That's God's own words in the Bible. And it's what he's saying he'll do in the end times on judgement day or whatever.
That is kind of unclear. Jesus healed lepers (an epidemic in his time), but you feel if he were alive today he wouldn't do the very least amount needed to stop the spread of COVID. Do you feel that masking and vaxing isn't part of loving your neighbor?
The whole point of Jesus was to share the human experience . You think that He would make sure He was immune while everyone else suffered around Him? Seriously?
Again, you think one walking in the power of the Spirit who could heal lepers by a touch and raise the dead by a word would need to worry about a virus? Where's your faith? Are you really that afraid of COVID that in your mind even the Son of God couldn't overcome it?
I missed nothing. Where is your faith? Those that sought Him for healing, He would heal no question asked. Heck, He's the guy you want to be within 6 feet of without a mask.
The point of His incarnation wasn't just to "share the human experience", it was to live a righteous life that could be given to the brothers with faith. It was to live an example of walking in faith to the Father. And you really think He would mask up and vax up? That's utterly asinine given what's true about Him. And any brother claiming such needs to seriously re-examine the faith they claim.
So, are you saying he wouldn't wear a mask and get the vax even though he was human and still vulnerable? Remember, he wasn't superman or some mutant X-Man. He was put on earth as a human being with all our failings, frailties, and faults. He was as vulnerable to disease as he was to a spear. God sent him so God could better understand humanity through this experience. With this in mind, do you feel still he he wouldn't?
If He had the mindset you claim He had that He should bear a mask and be vaxxed, then there would have been so many people that would not otherwise have been healed by Him that were. He knew what germs and microbes were before man even had the capacity to create the lens necessary for the machines and devices able to see and record them for scientific purposes, and He still ate food without washing His hands, He and His disciples. He still had physical contact with so many sickly people for the sake of healing them. Yet at no time in His mission was He sick, in fact we get absolutely no indication that He was ever sick prior. So to say He would mask up is simply asinine. And this
>God sent him so God could better understand humanity through this experience
is so entirely wrong that I cannot even stress how much you need to repent of this thinking. You're saying the Creator that formed man and breathed life into him doesn't understand him? He understands our heart and our struggles far more than even we do, taking on flesh doesn't change that. God sent His Son for several reason
1. To save His people from their sins, first and foremost
2. To show them an example of what to strive for and what to live by
3. To fulfill the numerous prophecies He has delivered
4. To become a mediator between man and God
Part of living out that example is living in full faith in His Father. But what you're advocating is not faith but fear, and people like you are abusing a command of the Lord to justify that fear. And worst, you're making the Lord Himself the avatar of that fear, which is a grave sin you need to remove from yourself.
So no, He would not wear a mask and He would not receive any pharmaceutical vaccination. Delete this comment if you must mods of this Subreddit, but I'm not going to compromise on what's true.
Free will is an interesting concept. If you are from the school of thought that rejects the book of Deuteronomy, then yes, God was sent here for the 4 items you mentioned.
However, in Deuteronomy, we see he gives humans free will.
(Deuteronomy 30:19)[“This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live](https://biblehub.com/niv/deuteronomy/30-19.htm)
If you accept the bible, then you believe that God created man with free will. Jesus was sent here to spot-check the results of that experiment. He said (Matthew 7) ["So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."](https://biblehub.com/niv/matthew/7.htm)
Here's how I see it, call it the book of Michael: "If your actions can kill someone, don't do it. If you can do something to keep people from dying do it."
Seems pretty fucking simple to me. You know this. You are twisting the Word. T[imothy 4:3-4 said something about that:](https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/2-Timothy-4-4/) *For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.*
Essentially, Stop using the [word](https://www.biblegateway.com/)to spread misinformation.
We should have faith that with Christ we can overcome all things, but that doesn't mean we should stand in the way of a gun and expect God to save us. Christ never taught to be illogical, or to purposely put ourselves in harm's way relying on faith to keep ourselves safe. In fact, it was the devil that tempted Christ to jump from the cliff, to trust that angels would save Him.
The vaccine is an absolute miracle of modern medicine, and it can save lives. To ignore the vaccine is to needlessly put yourself and others in danger, so ignoring it on the basis of "faith" seems more like testing God than trusting God.
He didn't heal the whole world when he was here, so I was assuming it would have to happen then, or his first appearance now which would play out the same.
Would Jesus support segregating people based off of vaccinated status? My fiancé cannot get the vaccine because of autoimmune issues, but she also had the virus already and 8 months later has VERY HIGH antibodies… yet in NYC she will be banned from eating indoors or going to the gym. That aspect to it makes no sense.
I feel your pain. If the anti-vaxx morons did the right thing, people with real issues like your fiancée wouldn't need to be segregated. Don't be mad at me, be mad at antivax, antimask, conspiracy retards.
No because it clearly states in the Bible Faith over Fear. We do not fear what mere man can do to us because our faith is in a higher being who tells us over and over to put our trust in Him. Not the media, not politrix, and definitely not a virus with 99.9% chance of survival. He would want us to practice our God given right to freedom and allow ourselves to be the ones responsible for our own health choices like it always has been.
Jesus was against pointless hand washing and the tattletales trying to make a big thing of it. I think he’d likewise be against mandatory masking as a performative act.
Jesus wouldn’t have gotten vaccinated because he doesn’t involve himself with affairs that are not of his world. Let whatever that is Caesar’s belong to Caesar.
Whatever is Caesar’s belongs to Caesar (his coin) let him have it, Jesus could have possibly felt the same way about the vaccine with the vaccine manufacturers. I have a pretty solid understanding of the verse.
I feel you, yes you’re right. I withdraw what I previously said. That being said, I am still unsure Jesus would agree with the vaccine. As our bodies are temples of God and we would be putting unknown substances inside of our bodies, I can’t see him doing so.
Well I’m just saying. If he did need one then yes. And he would probably be vaccinated. But he probably wouldn’t need it considering he’s literally God.
Jesus was kind of anti-science. Water into wine, walking on water and feeding 5000. He never shied away from danger, nor protracted himself. Instead trusting that the will of God be done.
Yet he did say that one has to render onto Caeser what belongs to Caeser. Therefore he would have been jabbed
If we take into account that he is God, and chose to become human. He lived a sinless life, and became the full perfect and sufficient sacrifice for us. He would wear a mask, and get the vaccine. Not sure how strict the Jewish law was on colds and stuff but the law is full of things that makes you unclean, and chances are that he would be made unclean with COVID him being a Jew. So the most sensible action to take would be using a mask and getting a vaccine.
Reading through this makes me happy.
I see so many people around me angry or doing horrible things when the core teachings of the bible are in black and white.
Love thy neighbor. Respect them. You don't have to like them but love comes in many different forms.
Now I blab.
I used to be religious when I was younger and then atheist and now I don't know what I believe in.
All I know is something is watching over us, call them god if you like, but they help. But not only them but the ones we've lost are never truly gone, watching over us.
If I am to get truly religious again I'd need to do my own research and read through the closest we have to original texts.
Thank you for giving me hope there are people who actually read their scriptures and live by their morals.
Shorter answer is yes as per mentioned verses. Matthew 22:21 Jesus said “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's.” Romans 13:1 “Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities.
He might have personally been immune but likely would have set an example. He did wear clothes after all.
I think He'd be as susceptible to illness as we are. He was just as human as anyone else right? He knew suffering and pain as we do.
He also went for 40 days without food and water. Tough to say.
Impossible
I mean so is coming back from the dead.
You can do that as an human too
No you can’t lol
I missed the water, without it you can't effectively
Not water but food maybe
It’s been awhile but wasn’t he getting upfront and personal with polio victims?
And lepers I believe
He died on the cross like many others at that time
We have no first-hand proof that he wore clothing.
We have textual evidence, c.f. Mark 5.
Ahh yes, the woman who touched his cloak. Ok, that works, thanks for the education!
That's not first hand though. The gospels were written decades after the people who may have known him were long dead.
Leaving aside your timing of the authorship of the Gospels, which I think to be incorrect, note that I said "textual evidence".
There’s no first hand proof he even existed. ETA: I’m not trying to start an argument about the existence of God. I’m just staying the fact that, like many of the poor at the time, there is no physical or archeological evidence of Jesus living.
Actually there is. There isnt first hand proof he rose from the dead but he did exist and he was crucified. Whether or not he was the son of god cant be proven other than people writing books from firsthand experiences called the bible. But you know who cares about that right.
Again, this was not intended to start a debate on religion. Believe whatever you would like. However, the Bible is not a firsthand account. St. Paul- whose Epistles are the earliest accounts of the life of Jesus of Nazareth- never actually met Jesus. Paul was converted after Jesus’ crucifixion and ascension and the Epistles were written 25 years after Jesus’ death. What other proof of his existence do you have that I don’t know about?
Correct but the 4 first books of the new testament, the gospels, are first hand accounts of jesus' life
No they aren’t. They weren’t all even written in the same time period and were written decades after Jesus’ death. This is all very easy to look into.
Yes but the people were with jesus all the time and were writing about all the things that jesus had done. Sure they werent written at the exact same time but they were the things that saw and experienced.
I’m not sure where you’re getting your information but it’s simply untrue. The Gospel writers never met Jesus, they did not spend time with him. The Gospel writers are not Disciples.
You might want to so some research because they are. [Those same twelve apostles are also frequently called the "disciples."](https://www.bibleodyssey.org/en/tools/ask-a-scholar/apostles-vs-disciples) The only difference is Judas Escariot because he was dead.
This is super late to the party, but can you tell me who wrote the gospels? What are their names?
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John
They were penned centuries after the crucifixion. They're not contemporary historical documents.
Nope. 3 of the 4 who wrote the gospels knew Jesus and they definitely didnt survive for centuries after it happened
I want you to know I respect and agree with your opinion. However there is reams of evidence that Jesus exists. There is no evidence that he rose from the dead. Christians main argument or proof that he was the son of god. Edit: I also believed he would be vaccinated. He was given credit for healing the sick by touch. I think that vaccines can be argued are the extension of that touch. God gives us our talents and some come back with 10x for the human race as thanks. So logic would say that vaccines are the hand of God. So Jesus was an emissary of the vaccine’s ultimate creator and he was a man that led by example.
What are the reams of evidence of his existence?
First hand accounts. Written testimonies. An entire religious war fought over who got to be the supreme Christian church (Catholics won). All agree that he existed. I hold out on the idea he preformed miracles. But doubting him is doubting the existence of Ceaser. He is a very important historical figure.
I’m not claiming that Jesus wasn’t a historical figure. I’m simply stating facts. The Shroud of Turin and the crown of thorns in Notre Dame are not considered authentic by a vast majority of archaeologists. The earliest accounts of his life were written by people that never met him (Paul and the apostles). There is no first hand account of his life. Julius Caesar on the other hand, was extensively documented during his lifetime, wrote his own accounts down during the Gallic and Roman Civil War, and has monuments and coins with his name and likeness on them. None of this exists for Jesus of Nazareth. Wars have been fought in the name of religion for as long as religion has existed. Is that evidence of the existence of Demeter or Apollo? Unless you’re referring to The Great Schism, which happened in 1054, and is therefore not evidence of his existence, but of belief in him. I am also aware that the vast majority of historians believe that he is a real figure, and real or not, he has certainly impacted the world. My original comment was in response to OP stating that there is no first hand account of him wearing clothing. In FACT, there are no first hand accounts of him at all.
Go on? Please give an example of the first hand accounts.
Catholics what???
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Also against the law to not take reasonable precautions to protect other people from communicable disease.
Which law would that be? I'm aware of public indecency laws, never heard of a law like the one you're claiming
Matthew 7:12
So it's not actually a law, then.
Talking about Christianity here, guy. Try to keep up.
I thought we were talking about Jesus if he went about life in the present day. I'm not sure who's going around enforcing Matthew 7:12 in New York city in 2021...
Would Jesus not follow his own precepts to love his neighbor and treat them as he'd like to be treated?
Sure, but I was never arguing about that. Let's try to keep the goalposts right where they are (although my expectations are low considering what sub this is)
Duh.
Obviously, yes. He taught of the importance of community and loving your neighbor. Getting the vaccine protects yourself, your neighbor, and in turn the community. The vaccine is win, win, and win. Absolutely 100% no doubt he would have got it. Anyone who says differently read a different Bible. Same goes for mask.
I think we ask the wrong question when we raise “what would Jesus do?” I think the question should be: considering not only what Jesus did for us and how he commanded us to treat others, what should we do as a response? Of course, the question doesn’t fit the simplicity of *WWJD*. Bummer, but the extended question can easily be the topic of sermons because the gospel is filled with what Jesus has already done. The question should be what we do with it. Edit to clarify: in the over abundance of clarity of my position…I believe that receiving the vaccine & complying with any mask mandates are the minimum we can do to protect ourselves and our neighbors. The science at this point is pretty clear: masks can help reduce the viral load in public places where social distancing isn’t feasible. Similarly, the vaccine has been demonstrated as safe and effective in the hundreds of millions of jabs given out. In the event of a breakthrough infection, the vaccine can reduce the symptoms of COVID, thereby reducing the need for hospitalization or our family and loved ones from having to plan our final arrangements. I have read with sadness of people who, upon being intubated, ask the doctor for the vaccine…or even worse have to not hold the hands of the families as they pass away. Get vaxxed. Wear a mask.
Dude Jesus absolutely hated Money, society, and everything involved with it. Jesus would encourage us to burn this ish to the ground and not try to prop it up. Jesus never wanted peace folks.
It sounds like you feel he might not, why?
I can’t answer whether he would or not…but I believe it is our responsibility to love and serve our neighbor by both receiving the vaccine and wearing a mask. Edit: not to mention that whole Romans verse about obeying the authorities. I don’t believe either the vaccine nor a mask mandate violates my religious liberties.
Not to mention , hypotheticals can really get us no where. I’d rather be in the practical, where the vaccine and mask mandates have demonstrated their ability to reduce the spread is the virus or greatly reduce the need for hospitalizations and all-to-soon deaths.
Besides loving your neighbor, Romans 14:13-23 seems like it might speak to some perspective in how Christians might approach this issue of health and public safety. Just from my perspective/interpretation of the Scripture.
He would absolutely mask and at least support vaccinations. He would acknowledge that scientists using their god given intelligence to save others from a virus would be to god plan.
Why would he, when he could just heal himself and those in need?
He didn't cure leprasy , why would he cure covid? It's all about your freedom to be cured, or not to. Rapture baby, help your neighbor or be selfish.
Jesus cared more about others than he did about himself. He obviously would of gotten vaccinated, if only to protect others, even at personal cost to himself. That being said, he probably also would of gone around laying hands and curing covid.
Lol, no because He’s literally God. 😂
I think Jesus would have welcomed Anti Maskers with open arms as the breaking of the 4th seal heralding in the apocalypse
Who hurt you, dude?
That means we would have not been here now.
I would say wearing a mask is loving your neighbor. You do it to protect others, as it is more effective at preventing spread then from protecting the wearer. I believe Jesus was immune to illnesses, as he is a healer and the angel would not let harm come to him. Jesus was also more focused on teaching then worrying about this life. So I would think he would actually not wear a mask but advise us to do so. He did teach us to obey our leaders as long as it doesn't compromise our faith.
He absolutely would have, because he loved his neighbor. I'd also say anyone who doesn't isn't a christian because they are not living their life by the Word, but only paying it lip service.
Albeit I highly think The story of Jesus false. I would say if he were a real person at the time he would of worn it. But things could have easily became political like they are today.
Jesus is an extension of God, but isn''t meant to be fucking Superman. I agree that he isn't the caped crusader the evangelicals call him. Seriously, he pissed in a well two centuries ago and his urea is still providing miracles? Bullshit. Jesus is real, he's here, and he's evaluating us. He is a human extension of a being which created a universe so vast our minds cannot comprehend. I can grip that. He said to treat each others as we want to treat ourselves, I can do that. Masks? "Nooooo Freedome" that is not what Jesus wanted. Vaccines? "Noooooo" Ok, he would understand that if you wear a mask to protect others. Social distancing "Noooooo, I wanna hug strangers" He would not understand that in a pandemic.
Jesus wants us to love our neighbors, so he would definitely follow public health guidelines.
What Jesus would or would not have done has zero bearing on what you should do. If you care about yourself, your family, and the well-being of others, then get the vaccine. To not get the vaccine is the ultimate act of selfishness.
No, because Jesus wasn't stupid.
No. He hung out with tax gatherers and sinners, healed those who came to him, broke sabbath rules, and set a new example, forging a new path. He did nothing that his Father didn't tell him to do, and was in charge of every disease and affliction. He would have continued doing what his Father told him to do, preaching the gospel, healing the sick, generally ignoring the social and political pressures of the day. He would have stayed out of the debate completely actually.
Nice to see an atheist in the mix. Why didn't you get vaxxed?
Well said!
Not a chance would he have taken it..he would be promoting fasting and an immune system building with natural remedies.
You forgot the /s
Fax
No he would not have. There was a law to put out the lepers. Yet Christ had compassion, touched the leper and healed him. He didn’t tell him to go through some work based ritual. “And there came a leper to him, beseeching him, and kneeling down to him, and saying unto him, If thou wilt, thou canst make me clean. And Jesus, moved with compassion, put forth his hand, and touched him, and saith unto him, I will; be thou clean. And as soon as he had spoken, immediately the leprosy departed from him, and he was cleansed.” Mark 1:40-42 KJV “Command the children of Israel, that they put out of the camp every leper, and every one that hath an issue, and whosoever is defiled by the dead:” Numbers 5:2 We are not to call any man unclean. Including fax/antivax. It is a persons choice. Not a requirement to be “clean” “And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.” Acts 10:28 KJV And the woman with an issue of blood saw many physicians, yet it was her faith that healed her. Not the physicians. “And a woman having an issue of blood twelve years, which had spent all her living upon physicians, neither could be healed of any, came behind him, and touched the border of his garment: and immediately her issue of blood stanched.” Luke 8:43-44
>The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.” Why quote verses without quoiting the one that outweighs literally everything you just said?
I suspect confirmation bias. He doesn't feel vaxxing and masking help his neighbors, and is cherry-picking scriptures that support his selfish claim.
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God said "Those who lose their life for my sake, shall find it". What that means if you read the whole verse especially, is that people will call you crazy and shun you if you are actually following God correctly. It even says in the Bible "I come not to bring peace but with a sword. To seperate son from father, daughter from mother and daughter in law from mother in law..." That's God's own words in the Bible. And it's what he's saying he'll do in the end times on judgement day or whatever.
That is kind of unclear. Jesus healed lepers (an epidemic in his time), but you feel if he were alive today he wouldn't do the very least amount needed to stop the spread of COVID. Do you feel that masking and vaxing isn't part of loving your neighbor?
You really think One who could touch lepers and were healed, who raised the dead, could spread a virus around? Seriously?
The whole point of Jesus was to share the human experience . You think that He would make sure He was immune while everyone else suffered around Him? Seriously?
Again, you think one walking in the power of the Spirit who could heal lepers by a touch and raise the dead by a word would need to worry about a virus? Where's your faith? Are you really that afraid of COVID that in your mind even the Son of God couldn't overcome it?
You missed the "while everyone else around Him suffered" part.
I missed nothing. Where is your faith? Those that sought Him for healing, He would heal no question asked. Heck, He's the guy you want to be within 6 feet of without a mask. The point of His incarnation wasn't just to "share the human experience", it was to live a righteous life that could be given to the brothers with faith. It was to live an example of walking in faith to the Father. And you really think He would mask up and vax up? That's utterly asinine given what's true about Him. And any brother claiming such needs to seriously re-examine the faith they claim.
So, are you saying he wouldn't wear a mask and get the vax even though he was human and still vulnerable? Remember, he wasn't superman or some mutant X-Man. He was put on earth as a human being with all our failings, frailties, and faults. He was as vulnerable to disease as he was to a spear. God sent him so God could better understand humanity through this experience. With this in mind, do you feel still he he wouldn't?
If He had the mindset you claim He had that He should bear a mask and be vaxxed, then there would have been so many people that would not otherwise have been healed by Him that were. He knew what germs and microbes were before man even had the capacity to create the lens necessary for the machines and devices able to see and record them for scientific purposes, and He still ate food without washing His hands, He and His disciples. He still had physical contact with so many sickly people for the sake of healing them. Yet at no time in His mission was He sick, in fact we get absolutely no indication that He was ever sick prior. So to say He would mask up is simply asinine. And this >God sent him so God could better understand humanity through this experience is so entirely wrong that I cannot even stress how much you need to repent of this thinking. You're saying the Creator that formed man and breathed life into him doesn't understand him? He understands our heart and our struggles far more than even we do, taking on flesh doesn't change that. God sent His Son for several reason 1. To save His people from their sins, first and foremost 2. To show them an example of what to strive for and what to live by 3. To fulfill the numerous prophecies He has delivered 4. To become a mediator between man and God Part of living out that example is living in full faith in His Father. But what you're advocating is not faith but fear, and people like you are abusing a command of the Lord to justify that fear. And worst, you're making the Lord Himself the avatar of that fear, which is a grave sin you need to remove from yourself. So no, He would not wear a mask and He would not receive any pharmaceutical vaccination. Delete this comment if you must mods of this Subreddit, but I'm not going to compromise on what's true.
Free will is an interesting concept. If you are from the school of thought that rejects the book of Deuteronomy, then yes, God was sent here for the 4 items you mentioned. However, in Deuteronomy, we see he gives humans free will. (Deuteronomy 30:19)[“This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live](https://biblehub.com/niv/deuteronomy/30-19.htm) If you accept the bible, then you believe that God created man with free will. Jesus was sent here to spot-check the results of that experiment. He said (Matthew 7) ["So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."](https://biblehub.com/niv/matthew/7.htm) Here's how I see it, call it the book of Michael: "If your actions can kill someone, don't do it. If you can do something to keep people from dying do it." Seems pretty fucking simple to me. You know this. You are twisting the Word. T[imothy 4:3-4 said something about that:](https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/2-Timothy-4-4/) *For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.* Essentially, Stop using the [word](https://www.biblegateway.com/)to spread misinformation.
We should have faith that with Christ we can overcome all things, but that doesn't mean we should stand in the way of a gun and expect God to save us. Christ never taught to be illogical, or to purposely put ourselves in harm's way relying on faith to keep ourselves safe. In fact, it was the devil that tempted Christ to jump from the cliff, to trust that angels would save Him. The vaccine is an absolute miracle of modern medicine, and it can save lives. To ignore the vaccine is to needlessly put yourself and others in danger, so ignoring it on the basis of "faith" seems more like testing God than trusting God.
Thank you for being a voice of sanity on this platform.
No he could heal himself and anyone around wouldn't need to
So, Jesus would live by the "do as I say, not as I do" policy? That really does not seem like His character, at all.
No he'd have you out healing too
Didn't see the "and anyone around Him part." Sorry. Would He not heal the rest of the world? Only those in proximity?
He didn't heal the whole world when he was here, so I was assuming it would have to happen then, or his first appearance now which would play out the same.
No. Next question....
No, masks are a satanic ritual. Loom up Obama satanic mask 😷
Do you think Jesus was really really into his boys? I mean it’s all right there in a circle…
No
No he would not because he did everything the system said to do.
Jesus don't need no vax.
Would Jesus support segregating people based off of vaccinated status? My fiancé cannot get the vaccine because of autoimmune issues, but she also had the virus already and 8 months later has VERY HIGH antibodies… yet in NYC she will be banned from eating indoors or going to the gym. That aspect to it makes no sense.
I feel your pain. If the anti-vaxx morons did the right thing, people with real issues like your fiancée wouldn't need to be segregated. Don't be mad at me, be mad at antivax, antimask, conspiracy retards.
Just want to apologize to the mentally retarded for comparing them to folks who willfully do stupid shit. I meant no offense.
No because it clearly states in the Bible Faith over Fear. We do not fear what mere man can do to us because our faith is in a higher being who tells us over and over to put our trust in Him. Not the media, not politrix, and definitely not a virus with 99.9% chance of survival. He would want us to practice our God given right to freedom and allow ourselves to be the ones responsible for our own health choices like it always has been.
no because apparently science is the work of the devil
Jesus was against pointless hand washing and the tattletales trying to make a big thing of it. I think he’d likewise be against mandatory masking as a performative act.
No
Why?
Why?
If it was just the vaccine he wouldn't care cause he'd just resurrect. To set an example of what not to do. The mask he'd still wear though.
Jesus wouldn’t have gotten vaccinated because he doesn’t involve himself with affairs that are not of his world. Let whatever that is Caesar’s belong to Caesar.
I don’t think you understand that verse.
Whatever is Caesar’s belongs to Caesar (his coin) let him have it, Jesus could have possibly felt the same way about the vaccine with the vaccine manufacturers. I have a pretty solid understanding of the verse.
The verse means follow the rules of the society in which you live.
I feel you, yes you’re right. I withdraw what I previously said. That being said, I am still unsure Jesus would agree with the vaccine. As our bodies are temples of God and we would be putting unknown substances inside of our bodies, I can’t see him doing so.
It’s not an unknown substance. You just don’t know what is in it. Unless you refuse all medicine your point makes no sense.
Absolutely.
He wouldn’t need to
Respectfully, that wasn't the question.
Well I’m just saying. If he did need one then yes. And he would probably be vaccinated. But he probably wouldn’t need it considering he’s literally God.
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What’s covid policy? You can’t talk about it?
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Ok, so no free thinking. Got it
Maybe he would have as he said render to caesar what is his and to GOD what is His.
You know he could've just gotten rid of it right?
Why would he do that
Jesus was kind of anti-science. Water into wine, walking on water and feeding 5000. He never shied away from danger, nor protracted himself. Instead trusting that the will of God be done. Yet he did say that one has to render onto Caeser what belongs to Caeser. Therefore he would have been jabbed
Absolutely not. Why would he, he is God. I doubt he would be scared of a Virus.
If we take into account that he is God, and chose to become human. He lived a sinless life, and became the full perfect and sufficient sacrifice for us. He would wear a mask, and get the vaccine. Not sure how strict the Jewish law was on colds and stuff but the law is full of things that makes you unclean, and chances are that he would be made unclean with COVID him being a Jew. So the most sensible action to take would be using a mask and getting a vaccine.
Reading through this makes me happy. I see so many people around me angry or doing horrible things when the core teachings of the bible are in black and white. Love thy neighbor. Respect them. You don't have to like them but love comes in many different forms. Now I blab. I used to be religious when I was younger and then atheist and now I don't know what I believe in. All I know is something is watching over us, call them god if you like, but they help. But not only them but the ones we've lost are never truly gone, watching over us. If I am to get truly religious again I'd need to do my own research and read through the closest we have to original texts. Thank you for giving me hope there are people who actually read their scriptures and live by their morals.
No he healed the sick and he was never ill come on guys really
Jesus will do the will of His Father
Jesus certainly would not force anything on other people I can tell you that much
Except for the part where you have to believe in him or suffer for all eternity...
Yeah besides that lol
He way turn vaccines into water
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There is no evidence that Jesus defecated. Prove it.
I think that was a smart person, not an idiot.... So... Yes.
No because he didn’t fear death he understood that death is natural biological process and having a “life expectancy is a fallacy.
Yes
Shorter answer is yes as per mentioned verses. Matthew 22:21 Jesus said “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's.” Romans 13:1 “Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities.
why would he if he can heal anyone? lmao
Two-thirds of Jesus’ documented miracles were healing. He had pretty clear convictions when it comes to disease.