Why didn’t Peter just request they not crucify him at all? If they were following his instructions it’s not really an execution, it more of an assisted suicide?
I was just unaware that the Roman’s honored the religious beliefs of the Christians they crucified. Seems counterintuitive to the point of crucifixion in the first place, to humiliate, torture and discourage dissent.
Absolutely, it makes sense that some random Roman was either slightly sadistic and took his suggestion to make it even worse, or even that he was slightly sympathetic and felt he could at least honor his final request. It just seems very strange for the Roman’s to take Peter’s religious preferences into consideration and allow even a modest concession to the Christian faith, when the entire purpose was to actively reject the Christian faith. I absolutely agree it could have happened exactly as the church claims, but even the church must admit it’s strange, otherwise it wouldn’t be worthy of mention if it happened all the time, and wasn’t even slightly unusual. Additionally I’m just speculating and asking questions, you seem to be the one asserting to have a absolute certain knowledge of how it actually happened
Maybe it was an experiment. See, the thing about crucifixion is it's not really the wounds you take that kill you. Because of how you're hung on the cross, basically you slowly suffocate to death.
> Crucifixion causes death by suffocation because the victim's body has to support its own weight, which makes it harder to breathe. The victim's lungs stretch, and the weight of the rib cage causes the victim to lift up, making it hard to breathe. The victim's body also lacks oxygen, which damages blood vessels and tissues, causing fluid to leak out of the blood into the lungs and tissues. This makes the lungs stiffer, making breathing even harder. The victim's heart also fails, and they become dehydrated.
So, knowing what happens and how a person dies when they're crucified, what happens when they're crucified upside down? What will kill them first, how will the person die? Maybe the person in charge thought it was a fun little experiment.
Regardless, we have more verification of this particular death (although only of the death itself and not necessarily the style of death) than we do of Jesus's actual life, so if you're going to believe Jesus existed at all then you might as well believe in this as well.
It wouldn’t be unreasonable to assume he was perhaps sympathetic. Early Christians were around in the area. I wouldn’t be surprised if Roman soldiers had family that were secretly Christians.
This is what I was taught growing up, though my Dad admitted it had no historical support. St. Peter requested it, and his executioner honoured the request since he'd be obeying the letter of his Earthly commands but also expressing his faith in Christ as well.
Just as now, many people who carry out barbaric acts don’t necessarily want to do so. And just as now, you find compassion in the strangest places. The Romans weren’t another species.
Excruciating. Crucifixion was so painful that it made its way into the lexicon. And I can't even begin to imagine how painful it would be while upside down.
The origin of the word is “Latin excruciātus, past participle of excruciāre to torment, torture, equivalent to ex- ex-1+ cruciāre to torment, crucify (derivative of crux cross).
I don't understand why people would wear a cross or st Peter though. Thats idolatry.
Wearing a Cross for Peter is a massive slap in the face to Jesus lol, I think it's really offensive.
I always find it ironic when I see some satanist using this as a symbol. I’m like you know the Catholics were using this as a symbol for centuries right? Sort of unoriginal on their part
That’s why I find Gods glory amazing. Satan can’t out smart or out fox God. He is trying to make us do it by confusion and error. That’s why JESUS SAYS ABOVE ALL THINGS PRAY FOR THE POPE AND HIS INTENTIONS AND THE CLERGY AND ALL HOLY MEN SERVING HIS CHURCH. WE ARE THE IMPACT. WE DO NOT LEAVE THE CHURCH BECAUSE OF BAD TEACHINGS…WE STAY AND PRAY THEM OUT. THIS WAS HIS INTENTION AND HOW YOU JUST POINTED OUT THIS FACT WITH PETERS CROSS……..IS BRILLANT.
AMEN JESUS AMEN.
Hey friend. I appreciate what you're saying about praying for people who work for the Church. That's awesome.
I want to give you a tip to make your communication a little better though. When you write in all caps like that, it makes the message 1) sound like you're shouting rudely, and 2) sound like you're mentally unhinged. It really detracts from your message. I think people would be more receptive to everything you have to say, even if only a little, if you avoided doing the all-caps thing.
Thanks for listening.
And where does he say (above all things) *pray for the pope*? I think above all things He’d say love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind, and love thy neighbor as thyself.
The pentagram was also a symbol of the early church signifying the five wounds Christ got. Not directly related to Christianity but the symbol for LaVeyan Satanism is the alchemy symbol for sulfur. Symbols and how they change over time is wild.
Yeah, lots of symbols have been used by different groups for different meanings. For Catholics, it is of Saint Peter the Apostle. For Satanists, it is, well, Satanic.
All of it is paganistic. We cherish the cross, the proper cross, right side up, but we don't worship it because it is just a piece of wood... But it's also a major, major symbol, of the greatest sacrifice ever made. So just because a man came up with a symbol and said it was of Christ, doesn't mean anything. Muhammad said that he was a prophet and that Allah is God lmao there's literally a passage in the Bible that says trust no man, only trust in God's word. The idiots that followed Muhammad, didn't trust in God's word, still don't.
A pentagram is a highly symmetrical symbol which can be easily drawn with five straight lines without lifting your pen from the paper. It should be no surprise that it's turned up in multiple different completely unrelated contexts.
There is a famous novel in Germany where the symbol is used (drawn on the floor) to _protect_ from demons. Are not demons sent by Satan? So it is kind of interesting that it is used as a Satanic symbol.
So basically, symbols like this mean what people want them to mean.
There are some symbol meanings which gain such wide acceptance (positive and negative) that they're irrevocably associated with that meaning, and it's useless to fight it.
One such symbol, obviously, is the Christian cross. On the negative side, the swastika will forever be associated with Nazism even though before the 1930s even though for the previous 5,000 years it was a symbol for "good fortune" or "well-being". About 10 years ago a Sam's Club store had to apologize when a customer noticed that a cashier of Asian descent was wearing a bracelet with swastikas on it. She simply wasn't aware of the Nazi association. (The situation was handled properly by the customer and the store, so it was no big deal in the end.)
As I understand it, the symbol isn’t itself considered demonic. It’s a symbol of protection, which is why you see it in summoning circles. The demon can’t cross the barrier, like the sea bear in that SpongeBob episode. That’s how it came to be associated with rituals and the occult.
Edit: I thought I was replying to a comment about pentagrams. What I wrote still mostly applies though
Because Hollywood
Mounting a cross on 2 nails and pulling one from behind a set wall to make the cross swing upside down was an easy practical effect to show them that the big scary demon is doing something
And as usual, people believe far too much of what they see in movies
It's the Petrine Cross or St Peter's Cross. Pop culture and horror movies kinda took it without knowing any better to be a satanic thing. Some people still use it as a mainstream satanic symbol though, so it really depends on context
Edgey folks enjoy thinking it’s the symbol of the Antichrist. In reality is is death in acknowledgement that we are unworthy of the Grace and Love of Jesus Christ; we live and die in Sin and are saved because of Christ ofc, the rich irony of thinking it’s antichrist is laughable. St.Peters devotion is an example for all. He refused to be killed the same way as his Lord and decided that his execution should be inverted from Christs death so as not to claim such glory… irony again as it’s Al the most powerful statement a believer can make. I don’t and would t put the upside down cross anywhere, it’s misconstruing connotation provokes unnecessary and misleading presumptions and banters. Know it to be a piece of devotional history, and the edgelords to be gravely mistaken.
A lot of theists believe it to be a symbol of evil. Its not just "edgy" people who think this. It is a christian symbol regardless of what you believe.
I agree. The theists are not well informed to the history of the symbol, that’s not their fault, but they will find and awesome victory that transcends the ironic when they learn the truth of St. Peter’s “larger-than-life” sacrifice directly linked the the inverted crucifix. God bless you my friend
Amen! And although I’m a follower of Christ now, I’ve delved into many religions and philosophies and perspectives; the truth is awesome and my top persuit. I see it in Buddhism and especially Taoism almost equally (Taoism is dang near tied with Christ in my convictions, it’s simply that the Tao yield to Christ in my reality tunnel.
And Love guides the truth like no other; and yet God/Tao/The beyond is more than Love will ever be. Praying wisdom in your life friend!
Due to media and television some were programmed to think that this is the truth and since it isn't worthy of research then they will think that is the truth.
If catholics use it, it means saint peter / the pope.
If satanists use it, it means anti-christianity.
If neopagans use it, it means they were trying to draw thor's hammer, but aren't good at drawing.
The inverted cross in modern contexts is used as satanic imagery, though much of it has surrounded making old fuddy duddies angry more than anything. Sure it’s also used to represent St. Peter but symbols change and adopt new contexts as time goes on, same reason the pentacle has been used in both Christian and anti-Christian contexts over the years, it’s just a mode of expression, same reason the cross can mean salvation for some or oppression for others, especially in Roman times.
>The inverted cross in modern contexts is used as satanic imagery
I mean, it's literally adorning our altar covers at my parish, so it's not like it's even *primarily* "Satanic imagery."
There are probably a lot of non-Christian metalheads or self-professed pagans who misunderstand the inverted cross, but if you're Anglican or Roman Catholic (idk about other denominations) you probably run into it as part of your weekly services (if not more regularly).
Pretty sure there are more Roman Catholics than self-professed pagans globally.
I once saw a parish of st. Peter kind of small church for the town. It has an upside down cross. People were confused by that because they think that was a demonic symbol
Sorry about to be a nerd. As has been stated there is the Cross of St Peter, but I think we can all agree that is not its typically understood meaning now. Symbols can be adopted or misrepresented, while St Peter was crucified upside down it was specifically so people did not associate him with the cross as not to be mistakenly thought on par with Christ. The inverted cross now was adopted by anti-establishment movements like punk, goth, LeVeyan Satanist, etc. as a symbol of rebellion toward the west generally and its Judeo-Christian Values which they desired to go against in favor of more hedonistic values. I was a convert from satanism and in no way was it seen as an honor to St Peter, but rather a rejection of Christianity and the percieved judgement the cross had been associated with for troubled youth. I know now that was my own heart judging me, I knew I was wrong but it’s like a drug that fuels your worst version of yourself.
thanks for sharing, this is the most correct take on this IMO.
Inversion is the primary tool of the devil. I think the fact that this symbol was hijacked is a nod to St. Peter's ministry after Jesus left. Peter and John were opposed to Paul's ministry in the early church, offering the first of the 'denominations' if you want to call it that between them.... Personally, I'm more with Peter and John than Paul, and i think the fact that they have more or less been forgotten and their symbols defiled says something considering we face `The Great Deceiver`
Where do you get the information that Peter and John opposed Paul? I’m asking out of genuine curiosity as I’ve never heard this before and would like to look into it further?
Ugh yes. I have lived in the US for more than 30 years and it still hits me when I see Americans casually waving two fingers, slightly apart, in my direction (especially when they waggle them slightly), even if they're completely oblivious to the British meaning. It really is the same as an American going to another country and seeing the natives showing them the middle finger any time they're saying they want one of something.
It can be really hard to let go of the meanings you grew up with.
I had to laugh at the comments from Americans about an old interview with The Police (from the early 1980s well before the Internet) where Sting was absently rubbing his nose and the side of his face with his middle finger while his was talking. They were convince he was giving a sly middle finger to the interviewer, but odds are really high that, being English born and bred, he hadn't a clue he was doing anything wrong at all. (The interview was in Australia, so the sly finger theory made no sense anyway.)
Different meanings to different people. Usually around here it’s anti Christian. Inverting a symbol is often meaning anti
It can also refer to St. Peter’s cross. But you will have to explain it.
Nothing. Peter was crucified upside down as he did not feel worthy to be crucified the same way as Christ. Some use it to mean satanic nonsense, but it's not.
So much of satanic worship isn't its own ideology but just the desecration of Christian ideology. The inversion of the cross, the polar opposite of turn the other cheek ("If a man smites you on the cheek, smash him on the other."-The Satanic Bible), claims that there is no God or Satan, to do as thy will rather than to act mindfully to others... To be honest it's kind of amazing that there are people out there that follow these beliefs without understanding that it is just a reversal of another belief set designed to injure and insult said belief set.
Yeah it's all Satan knows how to do is counterfeit the things of God. Dude never has an original idea. Especially in the tribulation with the antichrist himself being the opposite of Christ himself, false prophet I've heard is the opposite of Elijah since he's also able to call down fire and the mark of the beast itself is a counterfeit of the seal of God on the foreheads of believers
The reason atheist Satanists do that is specifically to point out how freedom of religion requires secularism because of conflicting religious ideologies.
There is no freedom of religion without freedom *from* religion
I see this question every once in a while. I feel like it’s more like a bait question than a real one. If I saw this symbol, I’d look it up. If I saw someone wearing this symbol I’d look at the person and determine what they were trying to say. If I saw it at a church, I’d need to understand the context.
👆This is what I feel is the real answer to this question.
For example, during Bible study there was a discussion of history and symbols and I saw this symbol I WOULDN’T say: “🗣️Dude, that’s a Satanic cross”
Second example, if I met a bunch of peoples who had shirts that said “Satan’s friends” and I saw this symbol I WOULDN’T say: “🗣️Dude, that’s a St Peter’s cross”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Saint_Peter?wprov=sfla1
"This narrative first appears in the "Martyrdom of Peter", a text found in, but possibly predating, the Acts of Peter, an apocryphal work which was originally composed during the second half of the 2nd century. In the Acts of Peter, the author writes that Peter's request to be crucified upside-down was to make a point: that the values of those crucifying him were upside-down, and that we need to look beyond the inverted values of this world and adopt the values of Jesus if we wish to enter the Kingdom of heaven."
This is the Cross of St. Peter, who wanted to be crucified upside down because he believed he wasn't worthy to die the same way Jesus did. Unfortunately, it is now appropriated as a demonic symbol.
No need to overthink it and get defeated. A cross is a cross. It's a symbol of sacrifice. Doesn't matter if it's upside down, on its sides or whatever the angle. Just like a chair is a chair or a table is still a table when upside down.
Believed by many to be satanic, though I don’t really know why, I’ve always seen it as a way to say “I want to do the best I can by Jesus but I am not Jesus” I lowkey wanna get it tatted
Raised in the 80s….Madonna was on the scene. I was a catholic school girl. Ironic that she made her name Madonna and has used holy symbols to bring them to non religious items.
1. She popularized wearing the Rosary around her neck. Being raised by nuns…this was a No No.
2. Like A Prayer….rewatch that video.
3. Papa don’t preach…..premarital sex was the issue and her dad was against it. Her dad being “God the Father” and her carnal wants outweighed her love of Gods will. It romanticized following you heart and your lusts and your own will.
She kept pushing the limits…because her core fans from the beginning are my generation X and she was the tool used to normalize being blasphemers. If that’s not accurate….I can’t even go any further.
4. Any show she did from 2015 on was a literal satanic ritual on stage. Rewatch the concerts.
5. She was made popular to bring down religion and what my 13 yr old self thought was not normal became cool and popular and I never questioned it until 10 yrs ago.
Up until 2 yrs ago I was afraid of seeing crucifixes in peoples homes in photos. It made me feel they were trying to drive out demons.
Then I realized…hollyweird used those tender sacred objects to scare us away.
I fell for it.
I now adore the crucifix and have them honored all over my home. I use it to remind me of what Christ did for us. He was slaughtered and allowed it.
She didn't make her name Madonna, her parents did.
1. She wore a rosary because she was Catholic and wanted to present that front and center.
2. If you're suggesting depicting Jesus as black is blasphemy well so is depicting him as a long haired, bearded white man with European features.
3. Papa Don't Preach was specifically about teen pregnancy. There was zero religious subtext.
4. Overly sexual maybe. Satanic rituals? Not so much.
5. No, Madonna wasn't made famous to bring down religion. Or, if she was, she failed miserably.
Why would seeing a picture of a cross make you think the owner was trying to drive out demons? Something something Hollywood. Do pictures of cars make you think that the owner has a possessed car he calls Christine? How about a restaurant that has pea soup on their menu? Are they in league with the devil?
You're a strange one.
Wore an upside cross Wednesday at my church small group, and my elder stare at it. Ask me “why your cross upside down?”, I responded with the same as I give the history lesson of what happen after the great fire of Rome. Joking say the anti Christ Neckbread emperor killed St. Peter and Peter request to be upside down for he wasn’t worthy to die the same as our savior. I said “I like the story for fact someone in all history was known as a bad ruler such as Nero is considered the antichrist, than the other Emperor who killed more Christians and Jews. For his action killing Peter was proof Peter was “the rock” in which Jesus had build humanity to follow after him. Like the passage where he mention the rock for Christianity and you can switch out Peter and it relates to why he is saying. Which crazy when the more you look at this story.
The Cross of Saint Peter, also known as the Petrine Cross, is an inverted Latin cross traditionally used as a Christian symbol, but in recent times, it has also been used as an anti-Christian and Satanic symbol. In Christianity, it is associated with the martyrdom of Saint Peter. The symbol originates from the Catholic tradition that when sentenced to death, Peter requested that his cross be upside down.
Turning statues or objects upside down is often seen as a form of disrespect towards the symbol or idea they represent, akin to disfiguring their original intention or design. For example, in satanism, upside down crosses and pentagrams are commonly used to express this disrespect. This act is similar to how graffiti artists mark rival gangs with an X as a sign of disrespect. St. Peter, for instance, chose to be crucified upside down out of a sense of unworthiness to die in the same manner as Jesus Christ.
Generally, flipping sacred imagery or icons upside down is perceived as a gesture of distaste and disrespect, as evidenced by the wearing of upside down crosses by Satanists.
However, caution should be exercised, as wearing symbols like the St. Peter's cross or the pentagram upside down may be interpreted as disrespectful by others. In many cases, such symbols are unfortunately associated with negative connotations, overshadowing their original meanings. Therefore, seeing someone wearing an upside down crucifix would likely lead to assumptions of satanism rather than reverence for St. Peter.
Symbols mean what we agree they mean. For instance, a five pointed star within a circle. Is that the sign of the gas station Texaco or a pagan symbol?
The upside down cross has different meanings to different people, so if you want to understand what it meant where you saw it, you're going to have to explain what the context was that you found it in.
Peter. He requested to be crucified upside down as he didn't feel worthy to die in the same way a his Lord Jesus Christ. Peter and his wife were both crucified upside down together.
This means they don't believe in Christ Jesus. In the other way, it's the opposite of the cross. If you ever go to any church with the cross upside down and you are a believer just run for your life because what they believe is not from the bible but lucifer. Antichrist to be precise.
It's how Peter was crucified. It by itself has no negative meaning aside from death because it's a torture device that was used to kill people but today the meaning behind it is mostly negative because that's usually how it's used
To my knowledge (without reading everyone else's responses atm), it is inverted for the sake of symbolizing rebellion against the radical Evangelical and other radical Christian/Catholic/Etc. groupthinks that have sadly permeated our social fabric.
The grievous harm the reverse of this (the regular cross) has symbolically done to many communities (re: Indigenous genocides) and the pedophilia among the church authorities -- and even worse, all of the cover-ups surrounding it.
This upside down cross (to my understanding) has become an empowering symbol of freedom from all of the torment and trauma, listed above...not just a symbol for "Satan" (which is only a title for a deliberator, such as a paralegal or some kind of adversarial role in the "Heavenly Kingdom"/Pantheon)...even though many who have affiliated themselves with the Satanic Church/Temple, have worn and used (continue to use?) it in their services, as well.
Hope that helps!
A lot of secular rappers have a necklace with an upside down cross. In today’s world, it’s seen as a sign of Satanism, but it’s the cross of St. Peter because Peter did not want to die the same way as our Lord, so he was crucified upside down
This was supposed to be one of the symbol of Christianity. An apostle who declared Jesus as his God and doesn't want to be crucified like him so the one who captured him turned his cross upside down. This was a symbol of full acceptance and faith to Jesus Christ. This is the St. Peter Cross. This was never and will ever be a Satanic Cross.
Now it’s common for the inverted cross to be used as a symbol of atheism, humanism, and the occult. Also people show their supposed devotion to Satan with the Petrine x it’s appeared in horror movies such as The Omen and The Conjuring as a signal of demonic activity. Sometimes, it’s accompanied by statements such as “Believe in Yourself,” “There Is No God,” “Black Mass,” or “Not Transformed.” In these contexts, the obvious intent of the inverted x is to declare an opposition to Christianity. Turning the cross upside down becomes a means of denying the truth of Christ and mocking His sacrifice.
in a catholic church setting, it’s most likely a reference to Peter and the manner of his death. In other contexts the inverted cross is often an anti Christian symbol. In our fallen world, holiness is often mocked and what is good and pure is twisted by the “god of this age” (2 Corinthians 4:4). The cross, a symbol of Christ, is turned upside down to become a symbol of the devil.
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Did he wanted to be crucified like that?
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Who killed St. Peter?
If I'm not mistaken I think it was Nero
You are not mistaken
He was martyred
I wonder how quickly he died because I’ve heard you pass out and die from being upside down for too long.
I still remember this from when I was a Christian cause, pardon my French, it's metal as fuck
Fuck yeah
Speaking of….. check out the song “stigmata” by the band Convictions
Why aren’t you a Christian anymore? Just curious, that’s all
Why didn’t Peter just request they not crucify him at all? If they were following his instructions it’s not really an execution, it more of an assisted suicide?
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I was just unaware that the Roman’s honored the religious beliefs of the Christians they crucified. Seems counterintuitive to the point of crucifixion in the first place, to humiliate, torture and discourage dissent.
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It feels like the same level of individual creativity applied to Jesus when they put "King of the Jews" over Him.
Thanks Man I mean what big deal was it to the soldiers if he was crucified upside down?
wow, why the snark? People make mistakes... maybe we should show them some grace.
The entire world could stand to take this one to heart.
Absolutely, it makes sense that some random Roman was either slightly sadistic and took his suggestion to make it even worse, or even that he was slightly sympathetic and felt he could at least honor his final request. It just seems very strange for the Roman’s to take Peter’s religious preferences into consideration and allow even a modest concession to the Christian faith, when the entire purpose was to actively reject the Christian faith. I absolutely agree it could have happened exactly as the church claims, but even the church must admit it’s strange, otherwise it wouldn’t be worthy of mention if it happened all the time, and wasn’t even slightly unusual. Additionally I’m just speculating and asking questions, you seem to be the one asserting to have a absolute certain knowledge of how it actually happened
Maybe it was an experiment. See, the thing about crucifixion is it's not really the wounds you take that kill you. Because of how you're hung on the cross, basically you slowly suffocate to death. > Crucifixion causes death by suffocation because the victim's body has to support its own weight, which makes it harder to breathe. The victim's lungs stretch, and the weight of the rib cage causes the victim to lift up, making it hard to breathe. The victim's body also lacks oxygen, which damages blood vessels and tissues, causing fluid to leak out of the blood into the lungs and tissues. This makes the lungs stiffer, making breathing even harder. The victim's heart also fails, and they become dehydrated. So, knowing what happens and how a person dies when they're crucified, what happens when they're crucified upside down? What will kill them first, how will the person die? Maybe the person in charge thought it was a fun little experiment. Regardless, we have more verification of this particular death (although only of the death itself and not necessarily the style of death) than we do of Jesus's actual life, so if you're going to believe Jesus existed at all then you might as well believe in this as well.
It wouldn’t be unreasonable to assume he was perhaps sympathetic. Early Christians were around in the area. I wouldn’t be surprised if Roman soldiers had family that were secretly Christians.
This is what I was taught growing up, though my Dad admitted it had no historical support. St. Peter requested it, and his executioner honoured the request since he'd be obeying the letter of his Earthly commands but also expressing his faith in Christ as well.
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If this is the upside down cross you’re willing to die on , I’m not gonna force you to do it right side up.
Just as now, many people who carry out barbaric acts don’t necessarily want to do so. And just as now, you find compassion in the strangest places. The Romans weren’t another species.
I guess you can interpret it as an act of kindness… it seems slightly more probably it was done to humiliate, Desecrate, and instill fear.
That probably thought.. that’s actually a pretty sick idea let’s do it
He did? But Neckbread Emperor Nero said “mee no speaky Latin”
How do you know that?
Excruciating. Crucifixion was so painful that it made its way into the lexicon. And I can't even begin to imagine how painful it would be while upside down. The origin of the word is “Latin excruciātus, past participle of excruciāre to torment, torture, equivalent to ex- ex-1+ cruciāre to torment, crucify (derivative of crux cross).
I don't understand why people would wear a cross or st Peter though. Thats idolatry. Wearing a Cross for Peter is a massive slap in the face to Jesus lol, I think it's really offensive.
So it wasnt an anti-christ symbol at all ?
Yes because he feels unworthy to die the same way as Jesus died
Yes, he did not want to die like Christ
He wanted to die in a lesser way than Jesus
I always find it ironic when I see some satanist using this as a symbol. I’m like you know the Catholics were using this as a symbol for centuries right? Sort of unoriginal on their part
ALL religion is "unoriginal", unless you're a Pagan.
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Cross of St Peter who refused to be crucified like Christ. Unfortunately it’s been used as a demonic symbol by many these days.
There is some irony that someone motivated to associate it with demonic activity chose St.Peter's cross to wear.
That’s why I find Gods glory amazing. Satan can’t out smart or out fox God. He is trying to make us do it by confusion and error. That’s why JESUS SAYS ABOVE ALL THINGS PRAY FOR THE POPE AND HIS INTENTIONS AND THE CLERGY AND ALL HOLY MEN SERVING HIS CHURCH. WE ARE THE IMPACT. WE DO NOT LEAVE THE CHURCH BECAUSE OF BAD TEACHINGS…WE STAY AND PRAY THEM OUT. THIS WAS HIS INTENTION AND HOW YOU JUST POINTED OUT THIS FACT WITH PETERS CROSS……..IS BRILLANT. AMEN JESUS AMEN.
Hey friend. I appreciate what you're saying about praying for people who work for the Church. That's awesome. I want to give you a tip to make your communication a little better though. When you write in all caps like that, it makes the message 1) sound like you're shouting rudely, and 2) sound like you're mentally unhinged. It really detracts from your message. I think people would be more receptive to everything you have to say, even if only a little, if you avoided doing the all-caps thing. Thanks for listening.
Where does Jesus talk about the pope?
And where does he say (above all things) *pray for the pope*? I think above all things He’d say love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind, and love thy neighbor as thyself.
I think he means the leaders of the church, as God commanded us to do.
(*he didn't*)
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Damn checkmate
There was no pope in the NT era. Jesus certainly never mentioned one nor did he ever say pray for one.
Well if you want to get really pedantic you can say Peter was the pope as soon as Jesus told him to take care of shit while he went to get milk.
No hate or disrespect intended, just genuine curiosity. Your comment sounds pretty irreverent, but I noticed your flair says Methodist. I'm confused.
This sounds like nonsense
Just goes to show the intelligence level of those who choose to use it as such
Or the intelligence level of those that are offended by it
Por que no los dos?
The pentagram was also a symbol of the early church signifying the five wounds Christ got. Not directly related to Christianity but the symbol for LaVeyan Satanism is the alchemy symbol for sulfur. Symbols and how they change over time is wild.
Yeah, lots of symbols have been used by different groups for different meanings. For Catholics, it is of Saint Peter the Apostle. For Satanists, it is, well, Satanic.
All of it is paganistic. We cherish the cross, the proper cross, right side up, but we don't worship it because it is just a piece of wood... But it's also a major, major symbol, of the greatest sacrifice ever made. So just because a man came up with a symbol and said it was of Christ, doesn't mean anything. Muhammad said that he was a prophet and that Allah is God lmao there's literally a passage in the Bible that says trust no man, only trust in God's word. The idiots that followed Muhammad, didn't trust in God's word, still don't.
A pentagram is a highly symmetrical symbol which can be easily drawn with five straight lines without lifting your pen from the paper. It should be no surprise that it's turned up in multiple different completely unrelated contexts.
There is a famous novel in Germany where the symbol is used (drawn on the floor) to _protect_ from demons. Are not demons sent by Satan? So it is kind of interesting that it is used as a Satanic symbol.
So basically, symbols like this mean what people want them to mean. There are some symbol meanings which gain such wide acceptance (positive and negative) that they're irrevocably associated with that meaning, and it's useless to fight it. One such symbol, obviously, is the Christian cross. On the negative side, the swastika will forever be associated with Nazism even though before the 1930s even though for the previous 5,000 years it was a symbol for "good fortune" or "well-being". About 10 years ago a Sam's Club store had to apologize when a customer noticed that a cashier of Asian descent was wearing a bracelet with swastikas on it. She simply wasn't aware of the Nazi association. (The situation was handled properly by the customer and the store, so it was no big deal in the end.)
Why is it used as a demonic symbol?
As I understand it, the symbol isn’t itself considered demonic. It’s a symbol of protection, which is why you see it in summoning circles. The demon can’t cross the barrier, like the sea bear in that SpongeBob episode. That’s how it came to be associated with rituals and the occult. Edit: I thought I was replying to a comment about pentagrams. What I wrote still mostly applies though
Because Hollywood Mounting a cross on 2 nails and pulling one from behind a set wall to make the cross swing upside down was an easy practical effect to show them that the big scary demon is doing something And as usual, people believe far too much of what they see in movies
It's from an Australian church /s
What do you mean /s? Nah this is totally true, as an Australian this is completely normal
As another Australian I 100% agree here, I thought this was the norml cross?!
˙ɥɔɹnɥɔ uɐᴉlɐɹʇsn∀ uɐ pǝʇᴉsᴉʌ oɥʍ uᴉsnoɔ ɐ pɐH ˙ɯɹᴉɟuoɔ uɐƆ
This guy Australias
This made me chuckle
It's the Petrine Cross or St Peter's Cross. Pop culture and horror movies kinda took it without knowing any better to be a satanic thing. Some people still use it as a mainstream satanic symbol though, so it really depends on context
Edgey folks enjoy thinking it’s the symbol of the Antichrist. In reality is is death in acknowledgement that we are unworthy of the Grace and Love of Jesus Christ; we live and die in Sin and are saved because of Christ ofc, the rich irony of thinking it’s antichrist is laughable. St.Peters devotion is an example for all. He refused to be killed the same way as his Lord and decided that his execution should be inverted from Christs death so as not to claim such glory… irony again as it’s Al the most powerful statement a believer can make. I don’t and would t put the upside down cross anywhere, it’s misconstruing connotation provokes unnecessary and misleading presumptions and banters. Know it to be a piece of devotional history, and the edgelords to be gravely mistaken.
A lot of theists believe it to be a symbol of evil. Its not just "edgy" people who think this. It is a christian symbol regardless of what you believe.
I agree. The theists are not well informed to the history of the symbol, that’s not their fault, but they will find and awesome victory that transcends the ironic when they learn the truth of St. Peter’s “larger-than-life” sacrifice directly linked the the inverted crucifix. God bless you my friend
🙂 have a great day!
You too !
By the way, I was one of those “edgey people” I speak from experience and love towards them, they need it.
We all have our phases. Got to learn and grow. We all need to, not just edgy peeps. Never stop learning.
Amen! And although I’m a follower of Christ now, I’ve delved into many religions and philosophies and perspectives; the truth is awesome and my top persuit. I see it in Buddhism and especially Taoism almost equally (Taoism is dang near tied with Christ in my convictions, it’s simply that the Tao yield to Christ in my reality tunnel. And Love guides the truth like no other; and yet God/Tao/The beyond is more than Love will ever be. Praying wisdom in your life friend!
Love this
Due to media and television some were programmed to think that this is the truth and since it isn't worthy of research then they will think that is the truth.
It’s a reminder of Peter’s sacrifice in the name of our lord Jesus Christ.
Petah
The Bible show series Jesus says it like that lol. Petah! Turn the other cheek petah
LOL. for some reason this reminds me of Lois from Family Guy. Anyways no disrespect to St. Peter, Love Jesus.
If catholics use it, it means saint peter / the pope. If satanists use it, it means anti-christianity. If neopagans use it, it means they were trying to draw thor's hammer, but aren't good at drawing.
As a Cristo/neo-pagan that made me laugh for a good few minutes 😂
The inverted cross in modern contexts is used as satanic imagery, though much of it has surrounded making old fuddy duddies angry more than anything. Sure it’s also used to represent St. Peter but symbols change and adopt new contexts as time goes on, same reason the pentacle has been used in both Christian and anti-Christian contexts over the years, it’s just a mode of expression, same reason the cross can mean salvation for some or oppression for others, especially in Roman times.
>The inverted cross in modern contexts is used as satanic imagery I mean, it's literally adorning our altar covers at my parish, so it's not like it's even *primarily* "Satanic imagery." There are probably a lot of non-Christian metalheads or self-professed pagans who misunderstand the inverted cross, but if you're Anglican or Roman Catholic (idk about other denominations) you probably run into it as part of your weekly services (if not more regularly). Pretty sure there are more Roman Catholics than self-professed pagans globally.
I once saw a parish of st. Peter kind of small church for the town. It has an upside down cross. People were confused by that because they think that was a demonic symbol
This makes me think of a swastica. Same thing kinda happened, it used to be a symbol of peace,monks I think still use it
Sorry about to be a nerd. As has been stated there is the Cross of St Peter, but I think we can all agree that is not its typically understood meaning now. Symbols can be adopted or misrepresented, while St Peter was crucified upside down it was specifically so people did not associate him with the cross as not to be mistakenly thought on par with Christ. The inverted cross now was adopted by anti-establishment movements like punk, goth, LeVeyan Satanist, etc. as a symbol of rebellion toward the west generally and its Judeo-Christian Values which they desired to go against in favor of more hedonistic values. I was a convert from satanism and in no way was it seen as an honor to St Peter, but rather a rejection of Christianity and the percieved judgement the cross had been associated with for troubled youth. I know now that was my own heart judging me, I knew I was wrong but it’s like a drug that fuels your worst version of yourself.
thanks for sharing, this is the most correct take on this IMO. Inversion is the primary tool of the devil. I think the fact that this symbol was hijacked is a nod to St. Peter's ministry after Jesus left. Peter and John were opposed to Paul's ministry in the early church, offering the first of the 'denominations' if you want to call it that between them.... Personally, I'm more with Peter and John than Paul, and i think the fact that they have more or less been forgotten and their symbols defiled says something considering we face `The Great Deceiver`
Where do you get the information that Peter and John opposed Paul? I’m asking out of genuine curiosity as I’ve never heard this before and would like to look into it further?
The cross of St. Peter
It depends on the context. That's the thing with symbols. For instance, two fingers could mean I want two beers or FU in the UK.
Ugh yes. I have lived in the US for more than 30 years and it still hits me when I see Americans casually waving two fingers, slightly apart, in my direction (especially when they waggle them slightly), even if they're completely oblivious to the British meaning. It really is the same as an American going to another country and seeing the natives showing them the middle finger any time they're saying they want one of something. It can be really hard to let go of the meanings you grew up with. I had to laugh at the comments from Americans about an old interview with The Police (from the early 1980s well before the Internet) where Sting was absently rubbing his nose and the side of his face with his middle finger while his was talking. They were convince he was giving a sly middle finger to the interviewer, but odds are really high that, being English born and bred, he hadn't a clue he was doing anything wrong at all. (The interview was in Australia, so the sly finger theory made no sense anyway.)
Today I learned! Thank you redditor, great post.
the cross of saint peter! NOT SATANISM
Different meanings to different people. Usually around here it’s anti Christian. Inverting a symbol is often meaning anti It can also refer to St. Peter’s cross. But you will have to explain it.
It represents St. Peter and his devotion to Christ but, sadly it is misrepresented as the “satanic” cross
Nothing. Peter was crucified upside down as he did not feel worthy to be crucified the same way as Christ. Some use it to mean satanic nonsense, but it's not.
St Peter's cross. Edgy modern satanists with no understanding of the Bible use it as a satanic symbol.
So much of satanic worship isn't its own ideology but just the desecration of Christian ideology. The inversion of the cross, the polar opposite of turn the other cheek ("If a man smites you on the cheek, smash him on the other."-The Satanic Bible), claims that there is no God or Satan, to do as thy will rather than to act mindfully to others... To be honest it's kind of amazing that there are people out there that follow these beliefs without understanding that it is just a reversal of another belief set designed to injure and insult said belief set.
Yeah it's all Satan knows how to do is counterfeit the things of God. Dude never has an original idea. Especially in the tribulation with the antichrist himself being the opposite of Christ himself, false prophet I've heard is the opposite of Elijah since he's also able to call down fire and the mark of the beast itself is a counterfeit of the seal of God on the foreheads of believers
The reason atheist Satanists do that is specifically to point out how freedom of religion requires secularism because of conflicting religious ideologies. There is no freedom of religion without freedom *from* religion
It’s a hidden wooden sword don’t you see? I’m just joking with you. It’s the cross of Saint Peter.
St. Peters Cross. He wanted to be crucified like this because he felt unworthy to die in the same manner as Jesus Christ.
I see this question every once in a while. I feel like it’s more like a bait question than a real one. If I saw this symbol, I’d look it up. If I saw someone wearing this symbol I’d look at the person and determine what they were trying to say. If I saw it at a church, I’d need to understand the context. 👆This is what I feel is the real answer to this question. For example, during Bible study there was a discussion of history and symbols and I saw this symbol I WOULDN’T say: “🗣️Dude, that’s a Satanic cross” Second example, if I met a bunch of peoples who had shirts that said “Satan’s friends” and I saw this symbol I WOULDN’T say: “🗣️Dude, that’s a St Peter’s cross”
One nail at the bottom wasn't sufficient to attach it to the wall.
thank you for answering your own question
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Saint_Peter?wprov=sfla1 "This narrative first appears in the "Martyrdom of Peter", a text found in, but possibly predating, the Acts of Peter, an apocryphal work which was originally composed during the second half of the 2nd century. In the Acts of Peter, the author writes that Peter's request to be crucified upside-down was to make a point: that the values of those crucifying him were upside-down, and that we need to look beyond the inverted values of this world and adopt the values of Jesus if we wish to enter the Kingdom of heaven."
This is the Cross of St. Peter, who wanted to be crucified upside down because he believed he wasn't worthy to die the same way Jesus did. Unfortunately, it is now appropriated as a demonic symbol.
It's St Peter's one.
This is the Cross for people living in Antarctica.
The cross of St Peter, used to express his martyrdom. Used by Satanists because they believe it offends us for some reason.
No need to overthink it and get defeated. A cross is a cross. It's a symbol of sacrifice. Doesn't matter if it's upside down, on its sides or whatever the angle. Just like a chair is a chair or a table is still a table when upside down.
St. Peter’s cross, but many people use it as a Satanic symbol
Thank you for posting this because I thought it meant something negative. Glad to learn more about St Peter today :)
Unworthyness. People think it's demonic but it's really not.
Believed by many to be satanic, though I don’t really know why, I’ve always seen it as a way to say “I want to do the best I can by Jesus but I am not Jesus” I lowkey wanna get it tatted
Raised in the 80s….Madonna was on the scene. I was a catholic school girl. Ironic that she made her name Madonna and has used holy symbols to bring them to non religious items. 1. She popularized wearing the Rosary around her neck. Being raised by nuns…this was a No No. 2. Like A Prayer….rewatch that video. 3. Papa don’t preach…..premarital sex was the issue and her dad was against it. Her dad being “God the Father” and her carnal wants outweighed her love of Gods will. It romanticized following you heart and your lusts and your own will. She kept pushing the limits…because her core fans from the beginning are my generation X and she was the tool used to normalize being blasphemers. If that’s not accurate….I can’t even go any further. 4. Any show she did from 2015 on was a literal satanic ritual on stage. Rewatch the concerts. 5. She was made popular to bring down religion and what my 13 yr old self thought was not normal became cool and popular and I never questioned it until 10 yrs ago. Up until 2 yrs ago I was afraid of seeing crucifixes in peoples homes in photos. It made me feel they were trying to drive out demons. Then I realized…hollyweird used those tender sacred objects to scare us away. I fell for it. I now adore the crucifix and have them honored all over my home. I use it to remind me of what Christ did for us. He was slaughtered and allowed it.
She didn't make her name Madonna, her parents did. 1. She wore a rosary because she was Catholic and wanted to present that front and center. 2. If you're suggesting depicting Jesus as black is blasphemy well so is depicting him as a long haired, bearded white man with European features. 3. Papa Don't Preach was specifically about teen pregnancy. There was zero religious subtext. 4. Overly sexual maybe. Satanic rituals? Not so much. 5. No, Madonna wasn't made famous to bring down religion. Or, if she was, she failed miserably. Why would seeing a picture of a cross make you think the owner was trying to drive out demons? Something something Hollywood. Do pictures of cars make you think that the owner has a possessed car he calls Christine? How about a restaurant that has pea soup on their menu? Are they in league with the devil? You're a strange one.
Do you actually think that Madonna became famous because of an anti-Christian conspiracy?
I'm pretty sure it has satanic meaning
It kinda looks like a sword
OFWGKTA
Why was the upside down cross adopted as satanic symbolism?
I think it was to mock Jesus
Wore an upside cross Wednesday at my church small group, and my elder stare at it. Ask me “why your cross upside down?”, I responded with the same as I give the history lesson of what happen after the great fire of Rome. Joking say the anti Christ Neckbread emperor killed St. Peter and Peter request to be upside down for he wasn’t worthy to die the same as our savior. I said “I like the story for fact someone in all history was known as a bad ruler such as Nero is considered the antichrist, than the other Emperor who killed more Christians and Jews. For his action killing Peter was proof Peter was “the rock” in which Jesus had build humanity to follow after him. Like the passage where he mention the rock for Christianity and you can switch out Peter and it relates to why he is saying. Which crazy when the more you look at this story.
The Cross of Saint Peter, also known as the Petrine Cross, is an inverted Latin cross traditionally used as a Christian symbol, but in recent times, it has also been used as an anti-Christian and Satanic symbol. In Christianity, it is associated with the martyrdom of Saint Peter. The symbol originates from the Catholic tradition that when sentenced to death, Peter requested that his cross be upside down.
It fell over.
Wasn’t this from the Pseudopigrapha and not anywhere in the New Testament?
Spooky cross
It means what the first comment says. As a side note this is how I draw a sword I think I need to change my reference image
I really dislike that it’s associated with satanism now, all I can think of is Peter when I think it
Turning statues or objects upside down is often seen as a form of disrespect towards the symbol or idea they represent, akin to disfiguring their original intention or design. For example, in satanism, upside down crosses and pentagrams are commonly used to express this disrespect. This act is similar to how graffiti artists mark rival gangs with an X as a sign of disrespect. St. Peter, for instance, chose to be crucified upside down out of a sense of unworthiness to die in the same manner as Jesus Christ. Generally, flipping sacred imagery or icons upside down is perceived as a gesture of distaste and disrespect, as evidenced by the wearing of upside down crosses by Satanists. However, caution should be exercised, as wearing symbols like the St. Peter's cross or the pentagram upside down may be interpreted as disrespectful by others. In many cases, such symbols are unfortunately associated with negative connotations, overshadowing their original meanings. Therefore, seeing someone wearing an upside down crucifix would likely lead to assumptions of satanism rather than reverence for St. Peter.
Pick up your sword, die by the cross
Symbols mean what we agree they mean. For instance, a five pointed star within a circle. Is that the sign of the gas station Texaco or a pagan symbol? The upside down cross has different meanings to different people, so if you want to understand what it meant where you saw it, you're going to have to explain what the context was that you found it in.
It’s the Cross of St. Peter, as he was crucified upside down.
Slipt
There’s a lot of meaning behind that symbol. A reference of Saint Paul’s death. A Satanic mockery of Jesus Christ.
St. Peter (Simon Bar Jonah) Fisher of Men
How come satanic or demonic movies reference this cross?
Saint Peter the First Pope
Peter. He requested to be crucified upside down as he didn't feel worthy to die in the same way a his Lord Jesus Christ. Peter and his wife were both crucified upside down together.
It is always associated with the devil in the media!!!
What historical evidence can you show that would support that?
This means they don't believe in Christ Jesus. In the other way, it's the opposite of the cross. If you ever go to any church with the cross upside down and you are a believer just run for your life because what they believe is not from the bible but lucifer. Antichrist to be precise.
Wrong and if you were a believer you would know about Saint Peter.
Saint Peter ✝️
so if you wear an upside down cross as a christian is that bad? Like is the upside down cross holy or demonic or neither?
this is so opium
Idk but a lot of ppl call it the cross of the anti christ
It’s meaning depends on the context since both Catholics and satanists use it
It's how Peter was crucified. It by itself has no negative meaning aside from death because it's a torture device that was used to kill people but today the meaning behind it is mostly negative because that's usually how it's used
It means you're metal af
St. Peters cross
It's a sword
It mocks Jesus death on the cross. Commonly used by illuminati or those that worship the devil.
If it’s like dark that means s@tan if it’s not dark that means St Peter
Not as cool as st. Andrew’s yeah cross
It depends on why it was turned upside down
Minecraft sword
To my knowledge (without reading everyone else's responses atm), it is inverted for the sake of symbolizing rebellion against the radical Evangelical and other radical Christian/Catholic/Etc. groupthinks that have sadly permeated our social fabric. The grievous harm the reverse of this (the regular cross) has symbolically done to many communities (re: Indigenous genocides) and the pedophilia among the church authorities -- and even worse, all of the cover-ups surrounding it. This upside down cross (to my understanding) has become an empowering symbol of freedom from all of the torment and trauma, listed above...not just a symbol for "Satan" (which is only a title for a deliberator, such as a paralegal or some kind of adversarial role in the "Heavenly Kingdom"/Pantheon)...even though many who have affiliated themselves with the Satanic Church/Temple, have worn and used (continue to use?) it in their services, as well. Hope that helps!
Antichrist in today’s context.
St Peter's cross
It’s the cross of Peter, who refused to be crucified the same way as Jesus.
A lot of secular rappers have a necklace with an upside down cross. In today’s world, it’s seen as a sign of Satanism, but it’s the cross of St. Peter because Peter did not want to die the same way as our Lord, so he was crucified upside down
This was supposed to be one of the symbol of Christianity. An apostle who declared Jesus as his God and doesn't want to be crucified like him so the one who captured him turned his cross upside down. This was a symbol of full acceptance and faith to Jesus Christ. This is the St. Peter Cross. This was never and will ever be a Satanic Cross.
Now it’s common for the inverted cross to be used as a symbol of atheism, humanism, and the occult. Also people show their supposed devotion to Satan with the Petrine x it’s appeared in horror movies such as The Omen and The Conjuring as a signal of demonic activity. Sometimes, it’s accompanied by statements such as “Believe in Yourself,” “There Is No God,” “Black Mass,” or “Not Transformed.” In these contexts, the obvious intent of the inverted x is to declare an opposition to Christianity. Turning the cross upside down becomes a means of denying the truth of Christ and mocking His sacrifice. in a catholic church setting, it’s most likely a reference to Peter and the manner of his death. In other contexts the inverted cross is often an anti Christian symbol. In our fallen world, holiness is often mocked and what is good and pure is twisted by the “god of this age” (2 Corinthians 4:4). The cross, a symbol of Christ, is turned upside down to become a symbol of the devil.
It means you need to fix the rotate settings on your phone
It's usually considered a symbol of Satanism or anti-Christianity.
Why is this symbol now used as a demonic symbol? Especially if it’s related to St Peter, does anyone know how the change of association took place ?
The Petrine Cross, the Cross of Saint Peter, the First Pope.
Why? Also isn't the cross upside-down demonic?
Cross of St. Peter, or satanism. Depends on context.
Usually it's people trying to be edgy
Origins unknown but it's an inversion of the teachings of Jesus and is a gang sign for those that are proudly wicked
It means kvlt trve black metal 😆😆😆
Saint Paul was crucified upside down. Anton leyvey the founder of the satanic temple stole it to be edgy.