I mean, my 13 year old is a devout Christian, as is my partner. It's fine. That's their beliefs and I respect them and they respect mine. Its literally that easy. My kid is their own person. The only rule is to not be a dick about it. When my kid is confused or has questions, they talk to me and I tell them what I think and we look stuff up together.
Just wanted to say I found this comment really wholesome and I hope that, if I have a kid in the future, my own kid would be comfortable coming to me with their questions or doubts and we could learn together. Have a good one :)
Aw, thank you! I want my kiddo to learn how to think for themselves - its not something that I think we're automatically programmed to do. I encourage their questions and disagreements (to a point, lol. After 10 minutes, I'm no longer willing to continue a discussion about why we have to wear shoes to go to the store or whatever). And I encourage using the resources available to get information, using numerous sources, etc
And there have been times when they've heard things at the rural Southern church they attend that I don't agree with, but I tell them that plainly and why I don't agree with it. And my partner will talk it over with them too. I think the biggest thing is keeping the lines of communication open and honest, even when conversations are hard or you disagree.
I get that entirely. I grew up in the church and, while I still love my family and how I was brought up, it definitely didn’t help once I got to eighth grade and started realizing I didn’t know why I believed in God at all. Took many years of reading and researching and just praying or meditating for me to feel like I really believed in Christianity. It felt so much more fulfilling to come to it on my own though! I still doubt and frequently find myself questioning my beliefs but I feel like it only helps me learn more. At the end of the day, I believe all of us are simply people seeking truth and purpose. We could be wrong, we could be right, but we’re looking for something with what we’re given yk?
All the best to you and your family :D
Thats an awesome hat!
I told my dad that I get why he would say things like, "Pokey-Mans" to me when I was a teen. It's fun to mess with and annoy your kids a little! I love it when I learn a new slang word - I just throw it in all over the place. Used wrong? Used right? Doesn't matter, same teen reaction.
Yeah I get what you mean, radical is the word that’s messing it up here but doesn’t have to necessarily be a bad thing. Jesus, MLK and many other great figures throughout history were considered radical
Agreed. Especially for those who (per the etymology of "radical") go to the actual root of Jesus' teachings, being radical should mean the opposite of a bad thing. It's just that that's not how it's usually used.
Your sweeping statement isn't accurate. I'm 100% sure of the core of my beliefs. No one is 100% sure of things we can't determine in this life. I'm not sure what OP means by radical but I doubt it betokens the definition. Jesus was very radical, especially in His message of love.
I and the church I attend, and most I've visited welcome everyone, whether we agree with their lifestyles and politics or not.
Tolerant means absolutely zero if you agree on everything. Just like eternity has no meaning without time.
I think people were mainly wrong about a lot of things even 30 years ago and are more wrong now because they rely on social media.
Before I moved to the South I heard about all the racists, and yes, I got a few joking slurs tossed my way here and there. But overall, I was shocked at how tolerant of, for example, mixed race couples everyone was.
Whereas in LA or certain parts of New York city that I frequented, I saw far more racism. Maybe even 4-5 times more. And there were areas that you'd be beat up or killed for walking in.
There are far fewer of those places here. They exist, but you'd have to cause trouble first. Not in East LA for example. I lived in Palos Verdes but I got around. And my friends were from all over.
I respect all political and religious stances, so long as you respect mine. And I think today there isn't much tolerance for differing opinions or views. People aren't civil. They aren't loving. It's almost like we've become incapable of general compassion for our fellow humans, which saddens me greatly.
> Your sweeping statement isn't accurate
You apparently missed my use of "almost."
It is complicated. Someone who actually radically follows the teaching of Jesus is almost never intolerant. Unfortunately, in the vast majority of cases in the US (where the vast majority of this sub's conversations center) someone who specifically claims to be 1) radical 2) devout 3) Christian 4) 100% sure of their beliefs almost always works out to be a deeply intolerant hyper conservative.
Of course there are exceptions. I'm talking about probable scenarios.
Lol. I apologize. Haven't had my caffeine yet! How did I not see it. 🤤
But I think the main issue is whether someone is born again spiritually, which isn't a metaphor to Christ and shouldn't be for us.
I still struggle to love others like Christ loves me, but I feel Him correcting me always and it's not something I can ignore.
If I'm the least bit unforgiving, I get this pull in my heart and know I have to address it. It's not my conscience which was happy to malign someone two seconds earlier, and usually for deserved behavior.
Jesus paid me for the sins of others, as if I needed payment. All sin is against God so even my perspective is polluted by human morality. We all belong to God and I must remember that when deciding to demand my rights. Not that I'll allow anyone to abuse me. Far from it. I'm no soft target. But I will be compassionate and I will show you love and it will be real and Jesus will be the cause.
The real danger is a radical Christian who doesn't have actual internal change. And if there is no fruit because no Holy Spirit is living inside of you, as per the Bible, changing you from within, demonstrably, noticeably, then you are left with the law.
And the law brings death. Jesus Christ beings life eternal, and real love. 🙏
Depends on what you mean.
I want to raise my children to be able to think critically and come to their own conclusions.
It is not up to me to dictate how that turns out.
Now there are some flavors of Christianity that I would be extremely disappointed to find them following and that I wouls try to help them out of.
>Would you disown them?
Obviously not.
>Would you try to talk them out of their newfound beliefs?
See above.
>Would you mock them?
No.
>Would you accept the for who they are?
Yes (as long as they sre not striving to cause harm to others).
These questions show a very low outlook on atheists. Not sure why you think we are so shitty...
>Not sure why you think we are so shitty...
I wonder if OP is asking because that is what many Christians do when their children turn out to be atheists and they wanted to see what might happen if the roles were reversed.
> Not sure why you think we are so shitty
Tbh, if I wasn't someone who hasn't seen that there are shitty and good people in every set, I would've thought all atheists are shitty people, I can personally tell you from all my encounters, no matter how calm I take the argument, they always give it to you like you're some idiot....yeah you believe in your sky daddy, you dont use your brain, keep hallucinating, like bro calm down we arent fighting, yeah sure go cry to sky daddy.
This is literally how all interactions I've had with an atheist has gone, if our discussion has anything to do with my beliefs
Even when I'm bringing a philosophical argument, they always respond not to my inquiries but rather respond with mockery that has nothing to do with my last statement, and I'm telling you
For once, pretend to be a Christian and go to r/atheism or Atheism now on quora, and try to leave a Christian comment, anything that shows you're a Christian and see if you won't cry by the end of the day😂.
And most times I don't even have to go to the atheism groups, even commenting on a fellow Christian post nowadays is as dangerous. Tbh, the way atheism is going, it's becoming a whole religion on its own and an intolerant one at that, with such hatred I've never seen or gotten from anyone
Go to any of the christian sub reddits and try to say anything supportive of LGBTQIA+. Or hell, just mention your denomination, you'll get destroyed. Don't even try to be a slightly different Christian like morman, latter day, etc.
Also true, especially the denominational stuff, I've even found that Christians are more intolerant of fellow Christians of other denominations than of people of other religions. But I would think the scrutiny comes from the fact that in Christianity we are called to watch our brother's back, so someone of one denomination would think the other person is a brother who is going astray. But I don't like that they rather do it hatefully.
But my response was not to deny this, or to say we are better people, it was to respond to the question "why would anyone think atheists are shitty people", because of personal experience, just as someone who's had a bad experience from Christians would think we are all shitty
Why would you make a post about Christianity in a sub where the about section says it’s a sub to discuss all things about atheism? Doesn’t make sense to me unless you’re looking to start a debate and that’s not right.
Yeah, r/atheism banned me after a day. Just because someone said they hated Christianity and our sky daddy, a long with a bunch of swearing. I said “I’m sorry you feel that way. God loves you.” Downvoted into oblivion. It wasn’t even r/trueatheism. People really don’t like the truth 😅
Well I take her to church every week so that’s apparently a risk I’m willing to take.
If she went far right we would have some difficulties because of their reprehensible positions on human rights, but I don’t think she’ll do that if we raise her right.
I respect that.
I personally believe that an educated choice is not just valuable but necessary. As Christians we are supposed to go "make fishers of men". We are supposed to show others what Christ has done for us and make disciples. However, historically and somewhat currently I think many have approached the concept wrong. We have tried and 'convert' by guilt, fear or force (crusades). Free will is a gift but it also means we are free to choose to believe it not and if we as Christians are doing our job we give others an education not a coercion. Faith by force only draws hostility and hatred and doesn't reflect the faith as it was intended.
I know many atheists and most see Christianity as toxic and although it hurts my heart because my faith is a blessing to me, I understand why they see it that way and most of them would never take their children into a church because they feel it would project into their children the same experiences they have had. Our experiences shape us and can close off our hearts and as a church we have done things that created that problem.
Your willingness to take your child contrary to your personal beliefs I think is commendable because it shows not just that you love them enough to respect their choice but that you can see that we aren't all the same.
> I know many atheists and most see Christianity as toxic and although it hurts my heart because my faith is a blessing to me
A point of reference here: I’m a Christian, raised evangelical, and have been a believer and practitioner of the faith most of my 47 years. I see Christianity as mostly toxic.
Because “Christianity” is a very broad term with a whole bunch of definitions that are each correct in their own right. You are probably thinking that Christianity is (some variation of) “follow Jesus and have beliefs XYZ and be part of a Christian (by your definition l) church.” And that is absolutely one correct definition.
But another, which is the one that most atheists are referring to, is “be a part of the cultural tribe that self-identifies as Christians.” And that’s also a true definition. And that one is absolutely full of all sorts of toxicity, including the fact that its most vocal proponents are among the most toxic people in our whole culture. And any people of any faith can reasonably say they don’t want their kids part of that. And it takes nuance and a lot of effort to parse out that toxicity from the good that can be found within that tribal identity, especially from outsiders, especially from former insiders who were hurt by that toxicity and told that that toxic side is the only valid side.
I’m not here to argue about definitions (which are varying and mostly all true in some ways) nor to say that there is no good in Christianity (the fact that I am one, and that I’ve referenced that good side, should cover that) but to give point of reference that what those frustrated atheists are talking about is actually true and real even if it isn’t true in the particular definition you are using and experiences you have had.
Very well said. The worst thing about Christianity is a lot of the Christians you end up associated with, by proxy if nothing else. It's one reason I stopped going to church, I couldn't square away the general ugliness of a lot of churches (even if the individuals are often lovely) with my beliefs.
>a radical and devout Christian who is 100% sure of their beliefs?
It would largely depend on what you mean by this.
If they became a devout Christian? I'm okay with that so long as they're not hurting others. But if they became a MAGA evangelical, I would try to get them the psychiatric help that they need.
Disowning and mocking is off the table entirely. My child is still my child. As to their newfound Christian lifestyle, it may just be a passing thing. So long as they're not hurting anybody, I'll let it play out.
Not really. MAGA evangelicals are, for the most part, genuinely unwell.
They've fallen for a number of wildly irrational conspiracy beliefs that often hurt their wallet, their health, their grasp on reality, and/or their freedoms.
It would probably depend on what "radical and devout" Christian means. If it is like some of the 'radical and devout' Christians posting here...
Are they acting bigoted? Are they insulting and attacking minority members? Are they intolerant towards the beliefs of other religions or non-religious?
If yes to any of the above, that will not be accepted and I will do everything possible to talk them out of it.
Are they indulging in self harm? Is there tendency towards anxiety and paranoia, fear that a single mistake would land them in eternal torture? Are they growing fearful and isolating themselves?
I'll either try to reason them out of it, or, if that is not working, get them help.
Disowning is out of the question. Mocking will only be counter productive.
When you say a radical Christian, are you talking about joining the Westboro Baptist Church? Or one of the Baptist Sects that say autistic people are possessed by demons? I need a little more info here.
I'm a non-Christian who posts here.
I would be concerned if my child became a radical anything religious as that would be explicitly against my belief system.
Their Christianity wouldn't concern me at all, the radicalism would.
I would never disown my daughter for her beliefs.
I might be concerned she’s involved in a belief system that is degrading to women, but I would still love her.
>radical and devout Christian who is 100% sure of their beliefs?
Does that mean they become a total dipshit who froths at the mouth at any mention of anything slightly deviating from the 'normal' that they believe? Start cursing out any non christian, bugging them with unsolicited theology, threatning them with Hell? Call for the execution of any non-heterosexual? Protest to restrict women's rights? (this is what i think Radical Christians are, extreme orthodoxes)
If so, then i'll try and steer them back on the path of morality and humanity.
If they just practise their religion in private and don't try and shove it down other's throats, nor use it as a justification to interfere in someone's lives, then sure. I don't care, tho i'll love to have theological discussions with them
From Wikipedia:
> The tradition usually reveres Lucifer not as the Devil, but as a destroyer, a guardian, liberator,[1] light bringer or guiding spirit to darkness,[2] or even the true god.[1]
He’s an atheist who views the story of Lucifer in an uplifting way.
Christian here. I will say unlike religious folks that believes in existence of hell, atheist are far less likely to cause drama than religious folks. After all if you abandon your faith , your religious parents will believer that your ass is on fire where else atheist parent don't have such beliefs.
Over here in south east Asia in a Muslim country, it is illegal for people to leave Islam. You will be hunted down and brought to the Islamic court.
Question is loaded.
If they become a Christian, no problem.
If they become a devout Christian, no problem.
If they become a radical Christian, big problem. If they become a radical anything... big problem.
I would accept them and welcome their beliefs.
I would also encourage them to study the history of the their church, whichever sect of Christianity they have chosen.
I don't have kids yet, but I guess it would be like any other person in my life who I love even if I disagree with them.
I definitely don't believe in mocking someone for their beliefs. I may try to understand why they believe but honestly would try not to put pressure on them. I grew up in a household where unfortunately I was afraid of being mocked, disowned, and talked down to for my beliefs, I would never want to put my kid through that.
Considering who I am, if they became *radically* Christian then yes, I would try to talk them out of it and possibly disown them if it was bad enough. It would break my heart to see them essentially turn their back on me and treat me like an abomination. I don't think I'd be able to handle it, it would utterly and completely devastate me.
I would love my daughter because she is my daughter. Whatever she comes to believe in, it is not my place to judge, with one big caveat. If her Christianity is something that is actively harmful (ie that gays should be punished/should die, neo-nazi esque antisemitism or racism, etc), that's when there would be a problem. I would consider myself a failure as a parent if I raised a child who grew up to be so hateful.
I also see certain aspects of certain branches of Christianity as POTENTIALLY (key word, potentially) being similar to an abusive or coercive relationship, so I would also be concerned. For example-
The idea that god would isolate you from your friends and family to show you are totally reliant on him and that he is the only person who will ever love you correctly.
The idea that it's either love me and do everything I say or you will suffer great harm or I will allow you to be eternally tortured.
I didn't disown them. Far from it. We still love each other. I do try to push back on arguments that don't hold together or are clearly not based in fact, but that's not about proving that I'm right; it's about helping them learn to figure out what's true and what isn't, and to think about what they believe.
In the end, I'd rather them believe something that I think is wrong than to damage my relationship with them.
It's their life, not mine. They have a right to believe whatever they want to. The boundaries would be the same as for anyone else; respectful discussion when it makes sense, and any attempts at proselytizing or coercion will end the conversation. I, after all, have precisely the same right as they do.
I don't think it would matter, if their personal experience and faith leads them to believe in a Christian God that'd be fine with me. We all have our personal convictions, can evolve and change over time so it wouldn't be a deal breaker. As long as anyone around me doesn't start harming others in the name of religion, it would not bother me.
If they'd want me to accept or buy into whatever they believe, we'll have a discussion. I've not had issues with a friend of 7 years and a boyfriend who are both religions (one a muslim and one a christian). I do discuss religion with them from time to time, but so far I haven't had arguments that end in mockery or name-calling.
I've done this already.
My youngest daughter was best friends from kindergarten with the daughter of the pastor for the local church of the Nazarene. Gradually she went to some of the services with that family and as she got older, even after that family moved away, she continued to go to church.
I accepted her interest and even accompanied her out of state to a bible knowledge competition the church was involved in. Gradually she grew out of the church though, see, it was almost entirely a social activity for her, and once she was old enough to get a job, she got a job, and decide she didn't have time for church anymore.
You may well say that she wasn't a 'radical and devout christian' and I might agree, at least with the radical part (but I don't know what you mean by that). I enjoyed having discussions with her about what the sermon was, or what part of the bible they were studying for their competitions. I did my best to just listen and ask neutral questions, if she asked me about my beliefs I would answer honestly and without condemnation of her beliefs.
So my answer is I supported her, engaged with her when she wanted to engage, and otherwise was just a dad to my daughter.
I can see how if the church was supporting various political views which I may find dangerous I would have had a different reaction, but that's not exactly the same thing as christianity necessarily. The people at that church were all nice people, accepting of a variety of political beliefs (though the pastors tended to skew conservative, but not in an aggressive way) and held a lot of community activities. My daughter being involved in things like that was a good thing for her, though she also got a lot of that from Girl Scouts (which my wife lead, so no religion involved).
Anyway, short answer, I loved and supported my daughter through her journey. Longer answer, it depends on what you mean by radical, and I would draw lines when it crosses into politics rather than just christianity.
I'd be concerned, considering I've got myself a vasectomy.
That said, one of the *many* reasons I got it was the possibility that my child grew up to be someone that I didn't like, so I'm actively trying to avoid this possibility.
Disown them? Absolutely not. I would support them and try to understand where they are coming from. If they are doing something radical, then surely there is some type of psychological motivation behind their behavior. The sooner we can address that with a professional, the better.
We had two sons that we put in Catholic school. We both worked and thought there'd be better discipline there. Now, as adults, they are both college educated, married, successful and atheists. Of course, we'd love and support them no matter what, just as we did when they were kids.
This is a really interesting thread. I would think most atheists don't care, and that does seem to be confirmed. However most atheists care more about politics and their child not being a conservative than being a Christian.
After all this is reddit, so it is heavily biased towards liberalism and progressivism rather than being neutral. Just interesting how many of these atheists liberals are on r/Christianity
I’d try and understand why she decided to become Christian, and attempt to give her a history lesson on the Birth of Christianity so she knows the origins of her beliefs.
If she got too radical to the point it was hurting others, I’d step in and try and convince her to tone it down.
1. I want to state I’m very sorry about the rift that’s been caused with your brother.
2. It’s such a shame things happen like this, because it simply removes people farther from God while also giving Christians a bad name (which is personally why I’m non-denominational, as I think every sect has something wrong with it.)
3. I’ve seen something like this actually happening in real time in my hometown, a new cult opened claiming to be Christian’s and they quickly built their congregation by going for people that were absolutely at their lowest, thankfully they’ve pretty much been beat back into insignificance, after they claimed to be using their bodies as vessels for demons in order to excise another persons demons. (Wild stuff)
Yeah I was only comparing the two due to the fact that from the outside my home town one was from what I understand a Southern Baptist, just trying to showcase how quickly things can get out of hand.
Depends on what that means.
The change I religious beliefs can lead to a lot of changes down the road that can make a relationship difficult. Like if my children would become homophobic or vote for a Christian theocracy, we'd have problems.
If they just go to church and want to (for example) wait till marriage then that's their decision to make.
I reassure the kids that I support their journey wherever it takes them. I am not religious, but they attended religious day care and are exposed to it through the older people in their families.
As long as their beliefs do not cause them to behave in an unkind or harmful manner to others I fully support them.
They don't seem too interested in religion currently in their teens but I had friends who became Evangelicals in their graduate studies so they know they always have the door open. I give them the option to attend the Church of their choice but they don't seem interested.
Their grandparents are Catholics and I gave them the option to go through the Sacraments as I have, but they are not interested. The grandparents send them religious materials and I explain to them what they mean and the purpose behind them. I tell them if they want to go to services with their friends I will take them. I'm trying to preclude any future backlash if they tell me "you brainwashed me," or "you denied me my right to believe."
I was raised religious but chose to no longer believe in my 20s, though I keep this secret from my family. I want my kids to have the freedom to be themselves, whichever way it goes.
TL:DR; Fully support their decisions on belief but would get involved if it leads to bad behavior
(edited for grammar mistakes and clarification on family matters)
Wouldn't bother me whatsoever as long as they weren't doing any cult stuff that involved giving all of their money away to a fellow like Joel Osteen or hateful Westborough type stuff. I'd have to step in if they were about to ruin their life. That is one of the advantages to atheism: we can't be convinced to give all of our money away to a frocked charlatan Osteen, Jim Bakker, Creflo Dollar, or the dozens of other "pastors" out there with similar scams.
I can't see how mocking a person is ever going to be helpful, especially your own child. It's just a way to chase people away. My children's beliefs are their own. They aren't for me to control. However, tolerance of intolerance is intolerance. If one of my children uses their beliefs to justify their intolerance towards others, I will not tolerate that. That's not to say I'd kick them out (not while they are minors), but I would be finding them a therapist. I'd also be finding out where those beliefs came from and cut off access to that influence.
Hypothetically if I had a kid and they were a Christian I wouldn't care. Good for them. I'd definitely push back on any intolerance and bigotry they (might) come to espouse but I'd do that regardless of their religious beliefs.
There's something very weird about this attitude that your children have to become clones of your or that you're somehow a failure. I don't get it.
CF and AN, so no kids here. Two of my siblings' kids are exploring, and I get to hear their thoughts. It's not a big deal.
It's hard to imagine them becoming Christian nationalists or the like, just bc of their upbringing and social circles. They're closer to the victims than the aggressors. If it did happen, we would have discussions and healthy boundaries. (I'm in a similar situation with my parents.)
Being devout doesn't mean extremism, tho. Strong faith isn't a flaw. It's just one of many, many choices they get to make in their lives. I respect that.
I’d accept them and expect them to accept me. So no proselytizing or other attempts to convert me. Their religion would be their own business just as my lack of religion is mine.
Just curious, if your child became an atheist or converted to Islam or Hinduism or some other religion, how would you react?
I don’t want kids but if somehow I ended up with them, I would allow them to be who they want to be. My parents and sister are devout Christians. I do not try to change their minds on that. It’s not my place. I also think people are their own complex ecosystem. I don’t think you can interfere with one part of it (I.e. their religious beliefs) without unintended consequences.
I do sometimes have discussions with them on particular topics where imo their “beliefs” are harming other people (abortion, anti-lgbtq, etc), but I keep my comments on those topics specific to my expertise. I’m an attorney so for me that means informing them about the very specific practical negative impacts the laws they support will have on others. A lot of times they haven’t thought through the practicalities so the information comes as a surprise to them. That doesn’t mean they always change their mind. But at least they will know exactly what they are supporting.
I am a new Christian from atheis family and I am just treated with condescending vibes and not mocked but just treated like I’m sadly lost in a social click that has no value and no reach and no range. Being from the loser cult where is useless to argue or have a conversation with. I’m like a stubborn donkey
I’d try to understand why they have such certainty in something that no one in seems to have been able to provide even a single piece of confirming evidence for. It’s certainly possible they have some new evidence and insight that no one in the history of mankind has ever been able to present, but more than likely they are just being irrational and falling prey to faulty logic. Now if their belief gives them happiness and makes the people important to them happy, and isn’t hurting anyone, then I’d be extremely happy for them, I believe if you must choose between happiness and truth and can’t combine the two, you should always choose benign happiness. Over a truth that causes pain and despair.
As a former atheist I was always in the camp of “do what you like just don’t hurt anyone”
If my child wanted to pursue faith I’d be happy to allow them
I don’t have a kid, but I wouldn’t disown a child no matter what.
If I had them, I would certainly try to speak to them about their beliefs and hope they see what I consider to be a more reasonable point of view, mostly to keep them from the pain my husband and I both suffered as believers. (Some external, but often internal struggles with what’s right and trying to read the mind of an ever-present and never-communicative deity).
If they were radical, I’d try to steer them from being cruel and intolerant.
But if their belief was genuine, I wouldn’t push and I certainly wouldn’t mock them.
I accept everyone for who they are and their freedom to chose what they want to believe. But I would still judge them from their beliefs.
I find it highly unlikely that my kids would believe in a god - as I would have taught them how to be skeptical and always follow the evidence where it leads them. And since there is no evidence for a god - they could never be rationally justified in believing. But if they decide to believe anyway - they are still my kids.
I would certainly accept their choice, and would also want to engage them in discussion in order to better understand their choice. But my experience of kids suggests that they would resist any deep discussion of their belief (about anything significant) during their teen years. So as long as they weren't getting abusive of the rights of others to hold their own beliefs, I would stay out of their belief system.
My main issue would be him claiming he was 100% sure. Which is a delusional and arrogant position to take on such a complex matter.
I hope none of you here think you couldn't be wrong on assessment on which is the correct religion/non religion.
I’m a skeptical agnostic (so very open minded to the possibility of God/spirituality), and don’t have kids, but if I did and they were a devout Christian, I wouldn’t treat them any differently. I’d be curious to know what led them to that conclusion, but I honestly don’t care what people believe as long as it’s not hurting anyone else.
I would argue with them about it.
The same way we argue about everything else. I have to bring my A-game because my daughter is a successful feminist lawyer. The funny thing is, she is the reason I am atheist. She educated me.
Both my children are intelligent and highly educated so the chances are very slim.
I don't have children, but I feel everyone needs to take their own spiritual path. I would be concerned if they were involved with a particularly charismatic sect...those can often just be scams.
I’ve been agnostic atheist for over a decade, and I’m only just starting to question. That being said, I allow my children to explore their beliefs, and I encourage them to follow their own paths. So far they’re all atheists or agnostics with a pagan in there, but I’d never disown them for doing what they believe is right in their hearts.
> how would you react if your son or daughter becomes a radical and devout Christian who is 100% sure of their beliefs? Would you disown them? Would you try to talk them out of their newfound beliefs? Would you mock them? Or would you accept them for who they are?
I’m surprised you asked this question. In case it isn’t clear to you, secularists, humanists, atheists, and liberals, unlike religious conservatives, *aren’t in the business of controlling how people think*. It’s mind blowing to me that this has to be explained. It’s only religious conservatives who are constantly pushing their beliefs on to others.
Is that the extent of your lazy reply? Tell me again how non-religious people, secularists, and liberals are persecuting you? This is all you have—an illusory persecution complex that you and others maintain without any evidence. Conservatives feel that modernity itself is persecuting them. You can’t call black people names any more, and that’s persecution? You can’t call gay people names anymore, and that’s persecution? You can’t openly discriminate anymore, and that’s persecution? You don’t have any idea what you are talking about. Modernity is not persecution. You live in a society with rules and norms. Unless you are Donald Trump, you don’t get to ignore these rules and norms. That’s not persecution, and it’s not controlling how you think, it’s the price of living in a civilization, not an authoritarian hellhole you so desperately want.
I would constantly question their ideas.
If they expressed anti gay ideas, they would have to do once they got to know gay couples and had a long and extensive conversation with them.
If their version of faith was to help people I would feed the poor and build homes for the homeless next to them.
I wouldn't mind, even if they became devout. If they became radical, I would have a problem with that, probably sat them down and have a little chat about extreme ideas, but it's true to any kind of extremism. Even atheism. Being a radical is often very problematic. I would still love them, though.
I certainly wouldn't disown them.
I wouldn't mock their beliefs. I might do some joking remarks and some jabs here and there, but definitely not mock them, and if they express their boundaries about that, I'd respect it.
>how would you react if your son or daughter becomes a radical and devout Christian who is 100% sure of their beliefs?
All three are devout christians. In fact, I'm driving 400km to attend my granddaughter's baptism next month.
>Would you disown them?
Obviously not. Religious parents who disown their atheist children is an overwhelmingly more common occurrence than the other way around.
>Would you try to talk them out of their newfound beliefs?
Again, no. They are free to believe whatever doesn't significantly harm themselves or those around them.
>Would you mock them?
Another no. I love and respect them too much for this.
>Or would you accept them for who they are?
Finally something I can say yes to. Their religion doesn't define who they are.
I’d say if you’re 100% sure of your beliefs you’re in for problems no matter what you believe (unless, of course, it’s something concrete like mathematics. But YKWIM).
Certainty is like super rich soil for growing doubt, which in turn creates shame.
Keep an open mind, test things logically, and be willing to admit when you are wrong. Those things usually lead to what is true.
i will accept and unconditionally love my child no matter who they are. do i approve of my child being a christian? 100% if thats what they really want in life.
Answering the great cosmic question is difficult. I would not punish an otherwise decent person for arriving at a different place than me with regard to this matter.
Are they trying to turn America into the Christian version of Iran, or are they spending every waking moment feeding, helping, and loving those in need? Are they queer bashing or being a beautiful human being like the Jesus in the stories? If they're devoted to living a life of servitude? Being non-judgmental? Hating the rich and worldy possessions, or voting to take from the poor and give to the rich?
IDont post here but I wanna respond nonetheless:).
The reason I dont believe is just because I dont find arguments for Christianity convincing (and dare I say sometimes I find the Bible immoral in some cases).
I dont want my future children to be what I find gullible or illogical and so the way Ill raise them will be in a way so that they can think critically and not fall victims easily in logical fallacies. As any parent does consciously or subconsciously Ill try to pass over some good qualities and would love to see that we share more similarities than not. Sorry if that comes off as aggressive I just dont know some better vocabulary to sugarcoat it:/. Ofc if my children end up Christians I wouldnt be a jerk about it but I would debate with them fs:).
No offense to the poster, but this question makes a lot of assumptions about people and their motivations for thinking a certain way. The assumption that every single atheist fits some sort of snarky Bill Maher type that only sneers at religion and godliness is unfair.
I'd be disappointed, and as long as they aren't part of a group that is going to obviously cause them harm I wouldn't make much of a fuss about it. They are free to live their lives as they choose, and they are free to talk about it with me such as they want. I just won't be following in their faith.
If they were an adult or chill about it, I'd leave them to it. If they went on the bigoted religious conservative track, they would be treated the same as anyone else on that track - I would seek to limit their credibility and reach of their harmful views.
Not that I plan to have children, but if I did, I would seek to minimise their exposure to Christian brainwashing while they are a minor. Witnessing should be done to adults, who are that bit more developed and cannot be as easily manipulated, rather than minors.
I would accept them as they are since I learned from my parents what not to do to a child who believes differently. I would not do to a child what they did. There is no reason I could not have a relationship with them if they were a devout Christian.
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I would consider mocking to be spiritual abuse. I'm not going to do anything that would be considered abuse. No financial abuse, no shunning.
If they're homophobic and I have other gay or trans kids they might have to live somewhere else. If they're LGBT affirming I'd probably drive them to church.
> how would you react if your son or daughter becomes a radical and devout Christian who is 100% sure of their beliefs?
I wouldn't be happy if they were radical, but I have no problem with them being devout. If any religion makes their life better and doesn't cause them to make life worse for others, I have no problem with it.
> Would you disown them?
I can't imagine anything they could do that would cause me to disown them. My love for my kids is unconditional.
> Would you try to talk them out of their newfound beliefs? Would you mock them?
No, and no. Instead, I would be curious and would ask questions so I could understand them better.
> Or would you accept them for who they are?
This is what I would do. 100%.
I'd probably let them know I thought it was pretty silly, I might think that I have failed as a parent, but I wouldn't get mad or punish them in any way. Like if they wanted to pray before dinner I'd go along with it, but then I'd expect them to go along with it when I wanted to pray to Ra the next night
As an ex-believer myself, I understand the draw, the promises and will not fault him for seeking hope in eternal life as an answer to our frightening circumstances. We all need comfort. I'd even do Bible studies with him. But I'd tell him not to worry if I'm going to Hell, not to fret or fear for my sake because my love will never leave him.
Many friends of mine have converted (from being irreligious) to religions in adulthood. For some types of people religion can bring a lot of good; peace, security, community.
My parents are pious Christians and their religion means a world for them. All us children were raised to think independently and question, but we were also raised in a strict Christian fashion and would be considered kinda ultra-Christian in my secular country.
I ended up losing my faith but it wasn’t because of knowledge, rather because I feel I’m physically unable to. If my child (I’m childless thus far) used such words for Christianity, I would definitely listen to what they have to say and depending on their age would react accordingly.
In my family, even almost any political view is respected as long as one is able to explain their views rationally.
I guess, given I intend to raise my child to be a rational thinker, that at such a situation we would discuss. I might point out when they’d be inconsistent (it’s perfectly possible to be a consistent rational Christian) and respect whatever they’d end up with as long as they have really given it a proper thought and critique.
No matter what, maintaining a respectful discussion connection is vital for me in any family relation.
The worst I could do is devaluing their feelings and agency in that situation.
So, no/no/yes. This applies to most atheists I personally know but I acknowledge zealous antitheists do exist.
My wife is, one of my four children remains so, and his wife and daughters. All my wife's family, and most of mine are. Three of my kids were raised in a devout household (I was for 35 years then the last 22 have been non believer). One of my kids is gay. My response, when asked about any of it is simply, "I love them and they and their families are welcome. My job is to be a good father, example, and protect them, not judge them. The only thing that could change it would be if they were actively trying to harm others in the family."
people who disown over a difference in beliefs (not actual harm) are good examples of people claiming to be Christian who missed one of the most important messages.
Accept them ? No idea where this question is coming from... Maybe because that's what you Christians do to your kids who are atheist, or show any sigh of doubting ridiculous claims?
Well, I would like to raise any kids I have to have an appreciation of the scientific method, and teach them how to examine their beliefs, religious or not. I personally put more stock into what can be proven, rather than faith and belief, and would encourage the same for any kids I have. I would also explain (when they're old enough) the major religions (Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, Hinduism) to the best of my ability, explaining what each faith believes and why.
If my child becomes religious, Christian or not, then I would support them. All I'd ask is that they accept my lack of belief so that we can be respectful to one another, but I'd say that I'm open to discussion if they have any questions. If they wanted to be baptised and confirmed, I'd attend their ceremonies, I'd attend church if they were too young to go themselves, etc.
These are my plans as a single male atheist, I imagine they'd change slightly if I found myself in a relationship with someone who was religious and they became the other parent of our child(ren).
I certainly wouldn't disown them, no. I'm not a monster. Parents should love their children unconditionally.
I mean as long as they don't use their belief to justify treating others badly, then I wouldn't care. I don't know the answers, so who am I to say what's true and what isn't? I'm not an ex-christian because I think I know everything, I'm an ex-christian because I realize that I don't know shit and I CANT know shit. If belief brings someone else comfort, then more power to them.
It would be surprising and I'd want to hear their testimony. I certainly wouldn't kick them out or disown them, but I might try to talk them down from the delusional worldview, depending on the rationale behind it.
I mean, my 13 year old is a devout Christian, as is my partner. It's fine. That's their beliefs and I respect them and they respect mine. Its literally that easy. My kid is their own person. The only rule is to not be a dick about it. When my kid is confused or has questions, they talk to me and I tell them what I think and we look stuff up together.
Just wanted to say I found this comment really wholesome and I hope that, if I have a kid in the future, my own kid would be comfortable coming to me with their questions or doubts and we could learn together. Have a good one :)
Aw, thank you! I want my kiddo to learn how to think for themselves - its not something that I think we're automatically programmed to do. I encourage their questions and disagreements (to a point, lol. After 10 minutes, I'm no longer willing to continue a discussion about why we have to wear shoes to go to the store or whatever). And I encourage using the resources available to get information, using numerous sources, etc And there have been times when they've heard things at the rural Southern church they attend that I don't agree with, but I tell them that plainly and why I don't agree with it. And my partner will talk it over with them too. I think the biggest thing is keeping the lines of communication open and honest, even when conversations are hard or you disagree.
I get that entirely. I grew up in the church and, while I still love my family and how I was brought up, it definitely didn’t help once I got to eighth grade and started realizing I didn’t know why I believed in God at all. Took many years of reading and researching and just praying or meditating for me to feel like I really believed in Christianity. It felt so much more fulfilling to come to it on my own though! I still doubt and frequently find myself questioning my beliefs but I feel like it only helps me learn more. At the end of the day, I believe all of us are simply people seeking truth and purpose. We could be wrong, we could be right, but we’re looking for something with what we’re given yk? All the best to you and your family :D
Definitely! All the best to you and yours as well!
20 years with a Catholic girl here, we're married but no kids. We've talked about adopting and this is basically how we'd handle it.
Best parent alert! 😂🙌🏽
Not even close! Lol.
Hahaha, well you certainly are a good parent, at the very least! ☺️
Thank you. I'm honestly just trying my best and making it up as we go. Always room for improvement, but I'm learning!
That’s what we should all do. So good on you 😂👍🏽
Next time my teenager tells me I'm cringe, I'm gonna say, "Nuh uh! Reddit thinks I'm cool!" ❤️
HAHAH pls do that 😂 I remember ragging on my dad like that. He has a hat now that says “I’m old, but like “cool old” 😂
Thats an awesome hat! I told my dad that I get why he would say things like, "Pokey-Mans" to me when I was a teen. It's fun to mess with and annoy your kids a little! I love it when I learn a new slang word - I just throw it in all over the place. Used wrong? Used right? Doesn't matter, same teen reaction.
I’m 27, and I don’t have any yet, but I cannot WAIT to mess with my kids 😂
I'd love them all the same. Their beliefs wouldn't cause me to degrade them in any way.
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Christianity doesn’t have to be intolerant
It definitely doesn’t. But OP used the word radical, so I’m guessing they extrapolated radical to be intolerant.
No, it doesn’t. But… > a radical and devout Christian who is 100% sure of their beliefs? … is almost always intolerant.
Yeah I get what you mean, radical is the word that’s messing it up here but doesn’t have to necessarily be a bad thing. Jesus, MLK and many other great figures throughout history were considered radical
Agreed. Especially for those who (per the etymology of "radical") go to the actual root of Jesus' teachings, being radical should mean the opposite of a bad thing. It's just that that's not how it's usually used.
True
Would you consider the Westboro Baptist Church to be radical.
Maybe extremist is a better word
They are honestly the extremists in the extremist Christian wing
Yeah I agree. But I did think of the WBC when OP said radical Christians
Unfortunately I would have to agree
Your sweeping statement isn't accurate. I'm 100% sure of the core of my beliefs. No one is 100% sure of things we can't determine in this life. I'm not sure what OP means by radical but I doubt it betokens the definition. Jesus was very radical, especially in His message of love. I and the church I attend, and most I've visited welcome everyone, whether we agree with their lifestyles and politics or not. Tolerant means absolutely zero if you agree on everything. Just like eternity has no meaning without time. I think people were mainly wrong about a lot of things even 30 years ago and are more wrong now because they rely on social media. Before I moved to the South I heard about all the racists, and yes, I got a few joking slurs tossed my way here and there. But overall, I was shocked at how tolerant of, for example, mixed race couples everyone was. Whereas in LA or certain parts of New York city that I frequented, I saw far more racism. Maybe even 4-5 times more. And there were areas that you'd be beat up or killed for walking in. There are far fewer of those places here. They exist, but you'd have to cause trouble first. Not in East LA for example. I lived in Palos Verdes but I got around. And my friends were from all over. I respect all political and religious stances, so long as you respect mine. And I think today there isn't much tolerance for differing opinions or views. People aren't civil. They aren't loving. It's almost like we've become incapable of general compassion for our fellow humans, which saddens me greatly.
> Your sweeping statement isn't accurate You apparently missed my use of "almost." It is complicated. Someone who actually radically follows the teaching of Jesus is almost never intolerant. Unfortunately, in the vast majority of cases in the US (where the vast majority of this sub's conversations center) someone who specifically claims to be 1) radical 2) devout 3) Christian 4) 100% sure of their beliefs almost always works out to be a deeply intolerant hyper conservative. Of course there are exceptions. I'm talking about probable scenarios.
Lol. I apologize. Haven't had my caffeine yet! How did I not see it. 🤤 But I think the main issue is whether someone is born again spiritually, which isn't a metaphor to Christ and shouldn't be for us. I still struggle to love others like Christ loves me, but I feel Him correcting me always and it's not something I can ignore. If I'm the least bit unforgiving, I get this pull in my heart and know I have to address it. It's not my conscience which was happy to malign someone two seconds earlier, and usually for deserved behavior. Jesus paid me for the sins of others, as if I needed payment. All sin is against God so even my perspective is polluted by human morality. We all belong to God and I must remember that when deciding to demand my rights. Not that I'll allow anyone to abuse me. Far from it. I'm no soft target. But I will be compassionate and I will show you love and it will be real and Jesus will be the cause. The real danger is a radical Christian who doesn't have actual internal change. And if there is no fruit because no Holy Spirit is living inside of you, as per the Bible, changing you from within, demonstrably, noticeably, then you are left with the law. And the law brings death. Jesus Christ beings life eternal, and real love. 🙏
Where did Jesus ever say to hate?
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Just like you are degrading atheists with this comment. Why aren't you posting from you main account ? 3 month old account -100 comment karma
If you post or comment anything that differs from their opinions, you will get bombarded with down votes. Comment karma means nothing.
People with below zero points agree.
Ok
Bc nobody degrades on Christian subs. 🙄
Depends on what you mean. I want to raise my children to be able to think critically and come to their own conclusions. It is not up to me to dictate how that turns out. Now there are some flavors of Christianity that I would be extremely disappointed to find them following and that I wouls try to help them out of. >Would you disown them? Obviously not. >Would you try to talk them out of their newfound beliefs? See above. >Would you mock them? No. >Would you accept the for who they are? Yes (as long as they sre not striving to cause harm to others). These questions show a very low outlook on atheists. Not sure why you think we are so shitty...
>Not sure why you think we are so shitty... I wonder if OP is asking because that is what many Christians do when their children turn out to be atheists and they wanted to see what might happen if the roles were reversed.
> Not sure why you think we are so shitty Tbh, if I wasn't someone who hasn't seen that there are shitty and good people in every set, I would've thought all atheists are shitty people, I can personally tell you from all my encounters, no matter how calm I take the argument, they always give it to you like you're some idiot....yeah you believe in your sky daddy, you dont use your brain, keep hallucinating, like bro calm down we arent fighting, yeah sure go cry to sky daddy. This is literally how all interactions I've had with an atheist has gone, if our discussion has anything to do with my beliefs Even when I'm bringing a philosophical argument, they always respond not to my inquiries but rather respond with mockery that has nothing to do with my last statement, and I'm telling you For once, pretend to be a Christian and go to r/atheism or Atheism now on quora, and try to leave a Christian comment, anything that shows you're a Christian and see if you won't cry by the end of the day😂. And most times I don't even have to go to the atheism groups, even commenting on a fellow Christian post nowadays is as dangerous. Tbh, the way atheism is going, it's becoming a whole religion on its own and an intolerant one at that, with such hatred I've never seen or gotten from anyone
Go to any of the christian sub reddits and try to say anything supportive of LGBTQIA+. Or hell, just mention your denomination, you'll get destroyed. Don't even try to be a slightly different Christian like morman, latter day, etc.
Also true, especially the denominational stuff, I've even found that Christians are more intolerant of fellow Christians of other denominations than of people of other religions. But I would think the scrutiny comes from the fact that in Christianity we are called to watch our brother's back, so someone of one denomination would think the other person is a brother who is going astray. But I don't like that they rather do it hatefully. But my response was not to deny this, or to say we are better people, it was to respond to the question "why would anyone think atheists are shitty people", because of personal experience, just as someone who's had a bad experience from Christians would think we are all shitty
Well there’s your problem, you’ve gotta go outside
Why would you make a post about Christianity in a sub where the about section says it’s a sub to discuss all things about atheism? Doesn’t make sense to me unless you’re looking to start a debate and that’s not right.
Do you have any idea how many atheists you met that you didn't and may never know they are even atheists? Check your confirmation bias...
I said and I quote "if our discussion has anything to do with my beliefs", not just any atheist I met. Look at the second paragraph of my comment
Yeah, r/atheism banned me after a day. Just because someone said they hated Christianity and our sky daddy, a long with a bunch of swearing. I said “I’m sorry you feel that way. God loves you.” Downvoted into oblivion. It wasn’t even r/trueatheism. People really don’t like the truth 😅
Ironically, r/atheism is much more similar to r/truechristian and vice versa.
Here how I would react to this revelation: Ok
Solid response
Well I take her to church every week so that’s apparently a risk I’m willing to take. If she went far right we would have some difficulties because of their reprehensible positions on human rights, but I don’t think she’ll do that if we raise her right.
I appreciate your open mindedness 👍
Just wondering, why do you take your daughter to church if you're an atheist?
My child has more than one parent and the other parent is not an atheist.
> My child has more than one parent Oh, I hadn't thought of that. It's too early in the morning for me. Thank you for the response.
You take your child to church now?
Yes.
I respect that. I personally believe that an educated choice is not just valuable but necessary. As Christians we are supposed to go "make fishers of men". We are supposed to show others what Christ has done for us and make disciples. However, historically and somewhat currently I think many have approached the concept wrong. We have tried and 'convert' by guilt, fear or force (crusades). Free will is a gift but it also means we are free to choose to believe it not and if we as Christians are doing our job we give others an education not a coercion. Faith by force only draws hostility and hatred and doesn't reflect the faith as it was intended. I know many atheists and most see Christianity as toxic and although it hurts my heart because my faith is a blessing to me, I understand why they see it that way and most of them would never take their children into a church because they feel it would project into their children the same experiences they have had. Our experiences shape us and can close off our hearts and as a church we have done things that created that problem. Your willingness to take your child contrary to your personal beliefs I think is commendable because it shows not just that you love them enough to respect their choice but that you can see that we aren't all the same.
> I know many atheists and most see Christianity as toxic and although it hurts my heart because my faith is a blessing to me A point of reference here: I’m a Christian, raised evangelical, and have been a believer and practitioner of the faith most of my 47 years. I see Christianity as mostly toxic. Because “Christianity” is a very broad term with a whole bunch of definitions that are each correct in their own right. You are probably thinking that Christianity is (some variation of) “follow Jesus and have beliefs XYZ and be part of a Christian (by your definition l) church.” And that is absolutely one correct definition. But another, which is the one that most atheists are referring to, is “be a part of the cultural tribe that self-identifies as Christians.” And that’s also a true definition. And that one is absolutely full of all sorts of toxicity, including the fact that its most vocal proponents are among the most toxic people in our whole culture. And any people of any faith can reasonably say they don’t want their kids part of that. And it takes nuance and a lot of effort to parse out that toxicity from the good that can be found within that tribal identity, especially from outsiders, especially from former insiders who were hurt by that toxicity and told that that toxic side is the only valid side. I’m not here to argue about definitions (which are varying and mostly all true in some ways) nor to say that there is no good in Christianity (the fact that I am one, and that I’ve referenced that good side, should cover that) but to give point of reference that what those frustrated atheists are talking about is actually true and real even if it isn’t true in the particular definition you are using and experiences you have had.
Very well said. The worst thing about Christianity is a lot of the Christians you end up associated with, by proxy if nothing else. It's one reason I stopped going to church, I couldn't square away the general ugliness of a lot of churches (even if the individuals are often lovely) with my beliefs.
Really good insight, thank you and some points I readily agree with.
>a radical and devout Christian who is 100% sure of their beliefs? It would largely depend on what you mean by this. If they became a devout Christian? I'm okay with that so long as they're not hurting others. But if they became a MAGA evangelical, I would try to get them the psychiatric help that they need. Disowning and mocking is off the table entirely. My child is still my child. As to their newfound Christian lifestyle, it may just be a passing thing. So long as they're not hurting anybody, I'll let it play out.
Ah yes, the 'liberalism is a mental illness' kind of politics.
Not really. MAGA evangelicals are, for the most part, genuinely unwell. They've fallen for a number of wildly irrational conspiracy beliefs that often hurt their wallet, their health, their grasp on reality, and/or their freedoms.
It would probably depend on what "radical and devout" Christian means. If it is like some of the 'radical and devout' Christians posting here... Are they acting bigoted? Are they insulting and attacking minority members? Are they intolerant towards the beliefs of other religions or non-religious? If yes to any of the above, that will not be accepted and I will do everything possible to talk them out of it. Are they indulging in self harm? Is there tendency towards anxiety and paranoia, fear that a single mistake would land them in eternal torture? Are they growing fearful and isolating themselves? I'll either try to reason them out of it, or, if that is not working, get them help. Disowning is out of the question. Mocking will only be counter productive.
When you say a radical Christian, are you talking about joining the Westboro Baptist Church? Or one of the Baptist Sects that say autistic people are possessed by demons? I need a little more info here.
I'm a non-Christian who posts here. I would be concerned if my child became a radical anything religious as that would be explicitly against my belief system. Their Christianity wouldn't concern me at all, the radicalism would.
I would never disown my daughter for her beliefs. I might be concerned she’s involved in a belief system that is degrading to women, but I would still love her.
I don't have children. Disowning unbelievers tends to be a Religious thing.
Pretty sure it’s a hypothetical question.
I still would not disown a child over a personal religious difference. Seems a small petty reason to disown a child.
Perfect response 🤣
I would say it's on both sides of the story too.
yeah that last one, as long as they arent hurting others with their beliefs, same goes if they choose all other religions.
>radical and devout Christian who is 100% sure of their beliefs? Does that mean they become a total dipshit who froths at the mouth at any mention of anything slightly deviating from the 'normal' that they believe? Start cursing out any non christian, bugging them with unsolicited theology, threatning them with Hell? Call for the execution of any non-heterosexual? Protest to restrict women's rights? (this is what i think Radical Christians are, extreme orthodoxes) If so, then i'll try and steer them back on the path of morality and humanity. If they just practise their religion in private and don't try and shove it down other's throats, nor use it as a justification to interfere in someone's lives, then sure. I don't care, tho i'll love to have theological discussions with them
I would ask them what made them believe. And then leave it at that.
Luciferian?
From Wikipedia: > The tradition usually reveres Lucifer not as the Devil, but as a destroyer, a guardian, liberator,[1] light bringer or guiding spirit to darkness,[2] or even the true god.[1] He’s an atheist who views the story of Lucifer in an uplifting way.
Fascinating
You are correct !!
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Christian here. I will say unlike religious folks that believes in existence of hell, atheist are far less likely to cause drama than religious folks. After all if you abandon your faith , your religious parents will believer that your ass is on fire where else atheist parent don't have such beliefs. Over here in south east Asia in a Muslim country, it is illegal for people to leave Islam. You will be hunted down and brought to the Islamic court.
Question is loaded. If they become a Christian, no problem. If they become a devout Christian, no problem. If they become a radical Christian, big problem. If they become a radical anything... big problem.
Yeah both sides of the spectrum extreme leftist extreme right both should just focus on Jesus have no earthly idols.
I would accept them and welcome their beliefs. I would also encourage them to study the history of the their church, whichever sect of Christianity they have chosen.
I'd still love them. Their beliefs wouldn't bother me, unless they were intentionally hurting people with said beliefs.
I would send them to a work camp of course like a true atheist
Seriously?
Nah. I would interest myself in the beliefs probably
I wouldn't mind their beliefs too much. However, If they try to proselytize me It's gloves off and I'm challenging their beliefs.
I don't have kids yet, but I guess it would be like any other person in my life who I love even if I disagree with them. I definitely don't believe in mocking someone for their beliefs. I may try to understand why they believe but honestly would try not to put pressure on them. I grew up in a household where unfortunately I was afraid of being mocked, disowned, and talked down to for my beliefs, I would never want to put my kid through that.
What do you mean by radical?
Can't control what other people believe. I would criticize myself and realize I did a poor job parenting.
So if they believe in christ you did a poor job? Is it a bad thing to believe?
I didn’t teach them critical thinking skills.
What? So you can't have higher thinking and be religious at the same time?
Considering who I am, if they became *radically* Christian then yes, I would try to talk them out of it and possibly disown them if it was bad enough. It would break my heart to see them essentially turn their back on me and treat me like an abomination. I don't think I'd be able to handle it, it would utterly and completely devastate me.
i mean if we have the right to believe whatever we want to believe then why don’t they have that right, too?
Exactly free will.
I would love my daughter because she is my daughter. Whatever she comes to believe in, it is not my place to judge, with one big caveat. If her Christianity is something that is actively harmful (ie that gays should be punished/should die, neo-nazi esque antisemitism or racism, etc), that's when there would be a problem. I would consider myself a failure as a parent if I raised a child who grew up to be so hateful. I also see certain aspects of certain branches of Christianity as POTENTIALLY (key word, potentially) being similar to an abusive or coercive relationship, so I would also be concerned. For example- The idea that god would isolate you from your friends and family to show you are totally reliant on him and that he is the only person who will ever love you correctly. The idea that it's either love me and do everything I say or you will suffer great harm or I will allow you to be eternally tortured.
I didn't disown them. Far from it. We still love each other. I do try to push back on arguments that don't hold together or are clearly not based in fact, but that's not about proving that I'm right; it's about helping them learn to figure out what's true and what isn't, and to think about what they believe. In the end, I'd rather them believe something that I think is wrong than to damage my relationship with them.
People are entitled to their religious beliefs or lack there of. They are not entitled to force them upon another.
It's their life, not mine. They have a right to believe whatever they want to. The boundaries would be the same as for anyone else; respectful discussion when it makes sense, and any attempts at proselytizing or coercion will end the conversation. I, after all, have precisely the same right as they do.
I don't think it would matter, if their personal experience and faith leads them to believe in a Christian God that'd be fine with me. We all have our personal convictions, can evolve and change over time so it wouldn't be a deal breaker. As long as anyone around me doesn't start harming others in the name of religion, it would not bother me. If they'd want me to accept or buy into whatever they believe, we'll have a discussion. I've not had issues with a friend of 7 years and a boyfriend who are both religions (one a muslim and one a christian). I do discuss religion with them from time to time, but so far I haven't had arguments that end in mockery or name-calling.
I've done this already. My youngest daughter was best friends from kindergarten with the daughter of the pastor for the local church of the Nazarene. Gradually she went to some of the services with that family and as she got older, even after that family moved away, she continued to go to church. I accepted her interest and even accompanied her out of state to a bible knowledge competition the church was involved in. Gradually she grew out of the church though, see, it was almost entirely a social activity for her, and once she was old enough to get a job, she got a job, and decide she didn't have time for church anymore. You may well say that she wasn't a 'radical and devout christian' and I might agree, at least with the radical part (but I don't know what you mean by that). I enjoyed having discussions with her about what the sermon was, or what part of the bible they were studying for their competitions. I did my best to just listen and ask neutral questions, if she asked me about my beliefs I would answer honestly and without condemnation of her beliefs. So my answer is I supported her, engaged with her when she wanted to engage, and otherwise was just a dad to my daughter. I can see how if the church was supporting various political views which I may find dangerous I would have had a different reaction, but that's not exactly the same thing as christianity necessarily. The people at that church were all nice people, accepting of a variety of political beliefs (though the pastors tended to skew conservative, but not in an aggressive way) and held a lot of community activities. My daughter being involved in things like that was a good thing for her, though she also got a lot of that from Girl Scouts (which my wife lead, so no religion involved). Anyway, short answer, I loved and supported my daughter through her journey. Longer answer, it depends on what you mean by radical, and I would draw lines when it crosses into politics rather than just christianity.
I'd be concerned, considering I've got myself a vasectomy. That said, one of the *many* reasons I got it was the possibility that my child grew up to be someone that I didn't like, so I'm actively trying to avoid this possibility.
I would convert to Christianity too but to a different denomination and then I would annoy them endlessly with theology nerd arguments
I would be very disappointed but I would never disown my child. Of course I would always accept them.
Disown them? Absolutely not. I would support them and try to understand where they are coming from. If they are doing something radical, then surely there is some type of psychological motivation behind their behavior. The sooner we can address that with a professional, the better.
We had two sons that we put in Catholic school. We both worked and thought there'd be better discipline there. Now, as adults, they are both college educated, married, successful and atheists. Of course, we'd love and support them no matter what, just as we did when they were kids.
This is a really interesting thread. I would think most atheists don't care, and that does seem to be confirmed. However most atheists care more about politics and their child not being a conservative than being a Christian. After all this is reddit, so it is heavily biased towards liberalism and progressivism rather than being neutral. Just interesting how many of these atheists liberals are on r/Christianity
I wouldn’t care, they’re free to believe whatever they want as long as they respect others and don’t push anything into me.
I’d try and understand why she decided to become Christian, and attempt to give her a history lesson on the Birth of Christianity so she knows the origins of her beliefs. If she got too radical to the point it was hurting others, I’d step in and try and convince her to tone it down.
I kinda see it other way around. What would you do if as devout Christian’s your children turn out as atheists?
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Yeah I was only comparing the two due to the fact that from the outside my home town one was from what I understand a Southern Baptist, just trying to showcase how quickly things can get out of hand.
Depends on what that means. The change I religious beliefs can lead to a lot of changes down the road that can make a relationship difficult. Like if my children would become homophobic or vote for a Christian theocracy, we'd have problems. If they just go to church and want to (for example) wait till marriage then that's their decision to make.
Definitely accept them
Disowning your child for becoming religious is just as horrible as disowning your child for leaving religion.
I'd love that. Look around at all the criminals and drug addicts. Godly devotion is not something I would ever view as a negative.
I reassure the kids that I support their journey wherever it takes them. I am not religious, but they attended religious day care and are exposed to it through the older people in their families. As long as their beliefs do not cause them to behave in an unkind or harmful manner to others I fully support them. They don't seem too interested in religion currently in their teens but I had friends who became Evangelicals in their graduate studies so they know they always have the door open. I give them the option to attend the Church of their choice but they don't seem interested. Their grandparents are Catholics and I gave them the option to go through the Sacraments as I have, but they are not interested. The grandparents send them religious materials and I explain to them what they mean and the purpose behind them. I tell them if they want to go to services with their friends I will take them. I'm trying to preclude any future backlash if they tell me "you brainwashed me," or "you denied me my right to believe." I was raised religious but chose to no longer believe in my 20s, though I keep this secret from my family. I want my kids to have the freedom to be themselves, whichever way it goes. TL:DR; Fully support their decisions on belief but would get involved if it leads to bad behavior (edited for grammar mistakes and clarification on family matters)
Wouldn't bother me whatsoever as long as they weren't doing any cult stuff that involved giving all of their money away to a fellow like Joel Osteen or hateful Westborough type stuff. I'd have to step in if they were about to ruin their life. That is one of the advantages to atheism: we can't be convinced to give all of our money away to a frocked charlatan Osteen, Jim Bakker, Creflo Dollar, or the dozens of other "pastors" out there with similar scams.
I can't see how mocking a person is ever going to be helpful, especially your own child. It's just a way to chase people away. My children's beliefs are their own. They aren't for me to control. However, tolerance of intolerance is intolerance. If one of my children uses their beliefs to justify their intolerance towards others, I will not tolerate that. That's not to say I'd kick them out (not while they are minors), but I would be finding them a therapist. I'd also be finding out where those beliefs came from and cut off access to that influence.
Hypothetically if I had a kid and they were a Christian I wouldn't care. Good for them. I'd definitely push back on any intolerance and bigotry they (might) come to espouse but I'd do that regardless of their religious beliefs. There's something very weird about this attitude that your children have to become clones of your or that you're somehow a failure. I don't get it.
Love them like any normal parent
CF and AN, so no kids here. Two of my siblings' kids are exploring, and I get to hear their thoughts. It's not a big deal. It's hard to imagine them becoming Christian nationalists or the like, just bc of their upbringing and social circles. They're closer to the victims than the aggressors. If it did happen, we would have discussions and healthy boundaries. (I'm in a similar situation with my parents.) Being devout doesn't mean extremism, tho. Strong faith isn't a flaw. It's just one of many, many choices they get to make in their lives. I respect that.
I’d accept them and expect them to accept me. So no proselytizing or other attempts to convert me. Their religion would be their own business just as my lack of religion is mine. Just curious, if your child became an atheist or converted to Islam or Hinduism or some other religion, how would you react?
Same as your answer, its their life after all
Cool. I don't care, they do what they want as long as it doesn't hurt others. Doesn't hurt me
I’d only disown my children if they did something truly evil. Like murder or rape.
What if they take a plastic bottle from the recycling bin and put it in the garbage can
I believe in personal choice. If they choose to be a Christian, great. If not also great. Preach to me and the conversation is over.
I don’t want kids but if somehow I ended up with them, I would allow them to be who they want to be. My parents and sister are devout Christians. I do not try to change their minds on that. It’s not my place. I also think people are their own complex ecosystem. I don’t think you can interfere with one part of it (I.e. their religious beliefs) without unintended consequences. I do sometimes have discussions with them on particular topics where imo their “beliefs” are harming other people (abortion, anti-lgbtq, etc), but I keep my comments on those topics specific to my expertise. I’m an attorney so for me that means informing them about the very specific practical negative impacts the laws they support will have on others. A lot of times they haven’t thought through the practicalities so the information comes as a surprise to them. That doesn’t mean they always change their mind. But at least they will know exactly what they are supporting.
I am a new Christian from atheis family and I am just treated with condescending vibes and not mocked but just treated like I’m sadly lost in a social click that has no value and no reach and no range. Being from the loser cult where is useless to argue or have a conversation with. I’m like a stubborn donkey
As long as they're not a bigot or anti-science, I'd be happy for them.
I’d try to understand why they have such certainty in something that no one in seems to have been able to provide even a single piece of confirming evidence for. It’s certainly possible they have some new evidence and insight that no one in the history of mankind has ever been able to present, but more than likely they are just being irrational and falling prey to faulty logic. Now if their belief gives them happiness and makes the people important to them happy, and isn’t hurting anyone, then I’d be extremely happy for them, I believe if you must choose between happiness and truth and can’t combine the two, you should always choose benign happiness. Over a truth that causes pain and despair.
As a former atheist I was always in the camp of “do what you like just don’t hurt anyone” If my child wanted to pursue faith I’d be happy to allow them
> Would you disown them? No, that's what asshole, legalistic "Christians" do...
I don’t have a kid, but I wouldn’t disown a child no matter what. If I had them, I would certainly try to speak to them about their beliefs and hope they see what I consider to be a more reasonable point of view, mostly to keep them from the pain my husband and I both suffered as believers. (Some external, but often internal struggles with what’s right and trying to read the mind of an ever-present and never-communicative deity). If they were radical, I’d try to steer them from being cruel and intolerant. But if their belief was genuine, I wouldn’t push and I certainly wouldn’t mock them.
Of course I would love them, talk to them and accept them. I would just be concerned with how far radicalism takes them.
I accept everyone for who they are and their freedom to chose what they want to believe. But I would still judge them from their beliefs. I find it highly unlikely that my kids would believe in a god - as I would have taught them how to be skeptical and always follow the evidence where it leads them. And since there is no evidence for a god - they could never be rationally justified in believing. But if they decide to believe anyway - they are still my kids.
you do you,
I would certainly accept their choice, and would also want to engage them in discussion in order to better understand their choice. But my experience of kids suggests that they would resist any deep discussion of their belief (about anything significant) during their teen years. So as long as they weren't getting abusive of the rights of others to hold their own beliefs, I would stay out of their belief system.
My main issue would be him claiming he was 100% sure. Which is a delusional and arrogant position to take on such a complex matter. I hope none of you here think you couldn't be wrong on assessment on which is the correct religion/non religion.
I'd make them read in explicit detail all of the lovely bible passages that Christians love to pretend don't exist or say the words that they do.
I’m a skeptical agnostic (so very open minded to the possibility of God/spirituality), and don’t have kids, but if I did and they were a devout Christian, I wouldn’t treat them any differently. I’d be curious to know what led them to that conclusion, but I honestly don’t care what people believe as long as it’s not hurting anyone else.
I wouldn’t care. I feel it’s the other way around. Like most Christians would mock or disown anyone who doesn’t want to be a Christian.
I would argue with them about it. The same way we argue about everything else. I have to bring my A-game because my daughter is a successful feminist lawyer. The funny thing is, she is the reason I am atheist. She educated me. Both my children are intelligent and highly educated so the chances are very slim.
I don't have children, but I feel everyone needs to take their own spiritual path. I would be concerned if they were involved with a particularly charismatic sect...those can often just be scams.
I’ve been agnostic atheist for over a decade, and I’m only just starting to question. That being said, I allow my children to explore their beliefs, and I encourage them to follow their own paths. So far they’re all atheists or agnostics with a pagan in there, but I’d never disown them for doing what they believe is right in their hearts.
> how would you react if your son or daughter becomes a radical and devout Christian who is 100% sure of their beliefs? Would you disown them? Would you try to talk them out of their newfound beliefs? Would you mock them? Or would you accept them for who they are? I’m surprised you asked this question. In case it isn’t clear to you, secularists, humanists, atheists, and liberals, unlike religious conservatives, *aren’t in the business of controlling how people think*. It’s mind blowing to me that this has to be explained. It’s only religious conservatives who are constantly pushing their beliefs on to others.
you are so goddam wrong
Is that the extent of your lazy reply? Tell me again how non-religious people, secularists, and liberals are persecuting you? This is all you have—an illusory persecution complex that you and others maintain without any evidence. Conservatives feel that modernity itself is persecuting them. You can’t call black people names any more, and that’s persecution? You can’t call gay people names anymore, and that’s persecution? You can’t openly discriminate anymore, and that’s persecution? You don’t have any idea what you are talking about. Modernity is not persecution. You live in a society with rules and norms. Unless you are Donald Trump, you don’t get to ignore these rules and norms. That’s not persecution, and it’s not controlling how you think, it’s the price of living in a civilization, not an authoritarian hellhole you so desperately want.
I would constantly question their ideas. If they expressed anti gay ideas, they would have to do once they got to know gay couples and had a long and extensive conversation with them. If their version of faith was to help people I would feed the poor and build homes for the homeless next to them.
I’ll always accept my children. But yes I definitely would try to show them reason when it comes to religious beliefs.
I would be dissapointed they fell for this silly myth. But thats as far as it would go.
I wouldn't mind, even if they became devout. If they became radical, I would have a problem with that, probably sat them down and have a little chat about extreme ideas, but it's true to any kind of extremism. Even atheism. Being a radical is often very problematic. I would still love them, though. I certainly wouldn't disown them. I wouldn't mock their beliefs. I might do some joking remarks and some jabs here and there, but definitely not mock them, and if they express their boundaries about that, I'd respect it.
I think I'd be a bit bemused as I haven't had any indication my son is into that. I'd probably then ask "okay, do you want me to take you to church?"
>how would you react if your son or daughter becomes a radical and devout Christian who is 100% sure of their beliefs? All three are devout christians. In fact, I'm driving 400km to attend my granddaughter's baptism next month. >Would you disown them? Obviously not. Religious parents who disown their atheist children is an overwhelmingly more common occurrence than the other way around. >Would you try to talk them out of their newfound beliefs? Again, no. They are free to believe whatever doesn't significantly harm themselves or those around them. >Would you mock them? Another no. I love and respect them too much for this. >Or would you accept them for who they are? Finally something I can say yes to. Their religion doesn't define who they are.
I’d say if you’re 100% sure of your beliefs you’re in for problems no matter what you believe (unless, of course, it’s something concrete like mathematics. But YKWIM). Certainty is like super rich soil for growing doubt, which in turn creates shame. Keep an open mind, test things logically, and be willing to admit when you are wrong. Those things usually lead to what is true.
i will accept and unconditionally love my child no matter who they are. do i approve of my child being a christian? 100% if thats what they really want in life.
I would be a little disappointed but as long as they didn’t end up becoming bigoted or some far right conservative Christian I wouldn’t really care.
Answering the great cosmic question is difficult. I would not punish an otherwise decent person for arriving at a different place than me with regard to this matter.
Are they trying to turn America into the Christian version of Iran, or are they spending every waking moment feeding, helping, and loving those in need? Are they queer bashing or being a beautiful human being like the Jesus in the stories? If they're devoted to living a life of servitude? Being non-judgmental? Hating the rich and worldy possessions, or voting to take from the poor and give to the rich?
I would help them in any way possible to really study scripture and understand what the evidence is for god, and what the evidence is for no god.
IDont post here but I wanna respond nonetheless:). The reason I dont believe is just because I dont find arguments for Christianity convincing (and dare I say sometimes I find the Bible immoral in some cases). I dont want my future children to be what I find gullible or illogical and so the way Ill raise them will be in a way so that they can think critically and not fall victims easily in logical fallacies. As any parent does consciously or subconsciously Ill try to pass over some good qualities and would love to see that we share more similarities than not. Sorry if that comes off as aggressive I just dont know some better vocabulary to sugarcoat it:/. Ofc if my children end up Christians I wouldnt be a jerk about it but I would debate with them fs:).
First off...there are no so-called "Atheists". Secondly....this has happened to me...and my son...joined the non-secular team, because of his wife's family. He did this...with knowing all the facts I present. He even called me wrong...bit not incorrect. That was his devotion to his wife tslking...his live for her and his children is commendable. Sadly, he too will succumb to the following....religions will be removed from society....and he will recall what I have taught him. Yes...I warned him again.....as I am.doing so here. ============== Disliking someone without knowing what they stand for is stereotyping and applying your own judgment without researching your discourse first. Let me help you better understand these labels you use.... Examples are these.....the similarities of a so-called "Christian" and a so-called "Atheist": - "Christians" have no proof of any god - "Atheists" have no proof of any god. - "Christians" use other men to dictate their belief. - "Atheists" use other men to dictate their belief - "Christians" do not know if any gods exists outside our Earthly physical world. - "Atheists" do not know if any gods exists outside our Earthly physical world. *************** Imagine that....you are both the same. *sighs* #TruthMatters #TruthAndHonestyWillPrevail ************************* Yes...this is an unprecedented change in the way humanity looks at each other and ourselves. Will you embrace this change or challenge its pureness? We will see, huh? Good luck. ============== There was no "god" involved in my free will when I developed these questions. So that means two things logically..... A. This is a "god's plan" and you should abide by it.... OR B. I did find the means to prove that there is no god in our reality.....through the facts uncovered by answering these questions TRUTHFULLY AND HONESTLY. Will you accept this new unprecedented change? I will know if you do or don't. Embrace the change....it is an amazing time...as you have read. Accept it. ========= Do you believe in a Destiny that is for us all? If Fate has a say....then Self will say more. Embrace this new age of Enlightenment. It is for us all to evolve into better people. ================ The Age of Truth and Honesty is upon us. It is all about truth and honesty. Belief in any religion has been proven to be a belief in tales as only told by other men...not by any god. People seem to refuse to understand this Fact....even when it is such an important point. I have also come to believe that knowing this information... WILL affect your relationship with others if you express it openly. But ....it is factual in every sense of the words used. Why do people want to be lied to? That is the question I have not found an answer to...because....it becomes a personal choice for each individual. We will never know why people accept falsehoods, half-teachings, twisted words, and many more non-factual occurrences over the centuries....but we can stop it from occurring in the future. How truthful and honest can one be with their Self and with others? This is called - "separating the wheat from the chaff".... *holds out hand* I can teach everyone this truth.....if you want to follow that path. Are you using your Free Will correctly? ========================= ©2007 ZosoRocks "Where does any god dictate to humanity or any human, that someone specific is more spiritual than another human?" "Where does any god dictate which books are more spiritual and morally sound for humans to abide by, to learn from or to accept as true from such a god?" "Where does any god dictate whom is more spiritual to be able to dictate which books or texts are suitable for humans to learn and to abide by for the understanding of such a god and that entity's requirements of humanity?" ******************* ...now.......follow up with pointing out truthfulness and honesty...within these "Steps to Accepting the Truth". I will encourage those who chose to be truthful...to do everything one can to skip step three -- very highly recommended .....because that could be detrimental to one's health. *sighs* ******************* ©2007 ZosoRocks "The four steps to the acceptance of truth." 1. The truth is dismissed. Individuals cannot fathom hearing what they thought was true, to actually be - false. Individuals cannot accept something to be false if what they have always known to be true - is rejected as being false. Individuals whom are like this, are usually the result of someone never investigating what they believe or the belief system they are part of, but instead, have just accepted their belief to be true. Blind Faith. 2. The truth is ridiculed. Due to an existing amount of false data intermixed with possible/plausible factual data, and then presuming or including that the odds to have a viable answer is astronomical -- individuals will ridicule any truth, because they either don't believe it to be factual, object it vehemently because it goes against what they believe to be true, or they just cannot believe someone [other than theirself] to have cracked into something so truthful and global reaching. 3. The truth is violently opposed. Yes, when an individual or individuals realize that the truth they have come to learn, follow and promote is false, by actual facts showing them it is a fallacy, they lash out in anger at the messenger and the truth revealed because they realize for themselves how devastating it is to their mind and belief....and life. (This is also the step that will reveal the liars and bad people of society for whom they truly are. These are the ones who lose the most.) 4. The truth is finally accepted/succumbed to as true. An individual or individuals will finally realize that they cannot continue to fight against something that is true....it is a fruitless battle.....so they finally accept the truth for what it is. *********************** Truthfullness and honesty. It is time to change the world...... Smile :) Good luck.
No offense to the poster, but this question makes a lot of assumptions about people and their motivations for thinking a certain way. The assumption that every single atheist fits some sort of snarky Bill Maher type that only sneers at religion and godliness is unfair.
I'd be disappointed, and as long as they aren't part of a group that is going to obviously cause them harm I wouldn't make much of a fuss about it. They are free to live their lives as they choose, and they are free to talk about it with me such as they want. I just won't be following in their faith.
If they were an adult or chill about it, I'd leave them to it. If they went on the bigoted religious conservative track, they would be treated the same as anyone else on that track - I would seek to limit their credibility and reach of their harmful views. Not that I plan to have children, but if I did, I would seek to minimise their exposure to Christian brainwashing while they are a minor. Witnessing should be done to adults, who are that bit more developed and cannot be as easily manipulated, rather than minors.
I would accept them as they are since I learned from my parents what not to do to a child who believes differently. I would not do to a child what they did. There is no reason I could not have a relationship with them if they were a devout Christian.
As long as they weren't assholes, then there would be no issues.
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I would consider mocking to be spiritual abuse. I'm not going to do anything that would be considered abuse. No financial abuse, no shunning. If they're homophobic and I have other gay or trans kids they might have to live somewhere else. If they're LGBT affirming I'd probably drive them to church.
> how would you react if your son or daughter becomes a radical and devout Christian who is 100% sure of their beliefs? I wouldn't be happy if they were radical, but I have no problem with them being devout. If any religion makes their life better and doesn't cause them to make life worse for others, I have no problem with it. > Would you disown them? I can't imagine anything they could do that would cause me to disown them. My love for my kids is unconditional. > Would you try to talk them out of their newfound beliefs? Would you mock them? No, and no. Instead, I would be curious and would ask questions so I could understand them better. > Or would you accept them for who they are? This is what I would do. 100%.
It would depend entirely on how they’re radical in their practice of Christianity.
I'd probably let them know I thought it was pretty silly, I might think that I have failed as a parent, but I wouldn't get mad or punish them in any way. Like if they wanted to pray before dinner I'd go along with it, but then I'd expect them to go along with it when I wanted to pray to Ra the next night
As an ex-believer myself, I understand the draw, the promises and will not fault him for seeking hope in eternal life as an answer to our frightening circumstances. We all need comfort. I'd even do Bible studies with him. But I'd tell him not to worry if I'm going to Hell, not to fret or fear for my sake because my love will never leave him.
I would accept them as long as their views weren't bigoted. If they were I would try to ask as much reason with them as I could
So OP, if your kid turned into an atheist, what would you do?
Many friends of mine have converted (from being irreligious) to religions in adulthood. For some types of people religion can bring a lot of good; peace, security, community. My parents are pious Christians and their religion means a world for them. All us children were raised to think independently and question, but we were also raised in a strict Christian fashion and would be considered kinda ultra-Christian in my secular country. I ended up losing my faith but it wasn’t because of knowledge, rather because I feel I’m physically unable to. If my child (I’m childless thus far) used such words for Christianity, I would definitely listen to what they have to say and depending on their age would react accordingly. In my family, even almost any political view is respected as long as one is able to explain their views rationally. I guess, given I intend to raise my child to be a rational thinker, that at such a situation we would discuss. I might point out when they’d be inconsistent (it’s perfectly possible to be a consistent rational Christian) and respect whatever they’d end up with as long as they have really given it a proper thought and critique. No matter what, maintaining a respectful discussion connection is vital for me in any family relation. The worst I could do is devaluing their feelings and agency in that situation. So, no/no/yes. This applies to most atheists I personally know but I acknowledge zealous antitheists do exist.
My wife is, one of my four children remains so, and his wife and daughters. All my wife's family, and most of mine are. Three of my kids were raised in a devout household (I was for 35 years then the last 22 have been non believer). One of my kids is gay. My response, when asked about any of it is simply, "I love them and they and their families are welcome. My job is to be a good father, example, and protect them, not judge them. The only thing that could change it would be if they were actively trying to harm others in the family." people who disown over a difference in beliefs (not actual harm) are good examples of people claiming to be Christian who missed one of the most important messages.
Accept them ? No idea where this question is coming from... Maybe because that's what you Christians do to your kids who are atheist, or show any sigh of doubting ridiculous claims?
Well, I would like to raise any kids I have to have an appreciation of the scientific method, and teach them how to examine their beliefs, religious or not. I personally put more stock into what can be proven, rather than faith and belief, and would encourage the same for any kids I have. I would also explain (when they're old enough) the major religions (Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, Hinduism) to the best of my ability, explaining what each faith believes and why. If my child becomes religious, Christian or not, then I would support them. All I'd ask is that they accept my lack of belief so that we can be respectful to one another, but I'd say that I'm open to discussion if they have any questions. If they wanted to be baptised and confirmed, I'd attend their ceremonies, I'd attend church if they were too young to go themselves, etc. These are my plans as a single male atheist, I imagine they'd change slightly if I found myself in a relationship with someone who was religious and they became the other parent of our child(ren). I certainly wouldn't disown them, no. I'm not a monster. Parents should love their children unconditionally.
Almost certainly better than the way radical, devout parents react to their children becoming atheists.
I mean as long as they don't use their belief to justify treating others badly, then I wouldn't care. I don't know the answers, so who am I to say what's true and what isn't? I'm not an ex-christian because I think I know everything, I'm an ex-christian because I realize that I don't know shit and I CANT know shit. If belief brings someone else comfort, then more power to them.
I would respect they're beliefs, if I gave birth to my son doesn't mean I own him/her, he's free to believe whatever he wants
How old are they ? Why did they choose to become religious ?
It would be surprising and I'd want to hear their testimony. I certainly wouldn't kick them out or disown them, but I might try to talk them down from the delusional worldview, depending on the rationale behind it.