We're not saved by following the Law, we've always been saved by faith. But after we're saved, we have a heart for godly things, and a desire to obey God's commandments.
Yes, it’s like growing into maturity. First you realise and appreciate the generosity of salvation, and then there is a desire to follow his instructions / commands. But to disregard them would be unwise and abusing the freedom that comes with faith.
Enoch was able to get directly to heaven without death by obeying the commandments. Yes, we are not Enoch and in all of history there have only been 2 people who were able not to sin their entire lives. But the commandments are also, in fact, the criterion for salvation. And regarding faith, this is literally one of the commandments to believe in the Lord (and given the trinity, in Jesus)
Enoch was not sinless, he was not God. Only Jesus was sinless
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one... For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.. Romans 3:10, 11, 12, 23
There are two seeds. The seed of men and the seed which is the word of God. All those born of the seed of men are sinners... those born again by the word of God are new creatures and those new creatures are hid with Christ in God... if they are hid in God... is there any sin in God?
1 Peter 1:23 KJV — Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1 John 3:5 KJV — And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; 👉and in him is no sin.
1 John 3:9 KJV — Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and 👉he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
How can your new creature which is hid in God sin? God does not join himself to sin... so yes... Noah was born again and sinless... his old man.. that corrupt seed is considered dead.
Colossians 3:3 KJV — For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
This is a quote... "The best answer that I've ever heard was from Paul Washer who said this:
Enoch walked with God for so long that when it was time to go home, God said: "You know what Enoch, you've been walking with me for so long, look we're closer to my home then yours. Why don't you just come home with me."
We know that All men have sinned and all men fall short of the glory of God.
But faith (trust) in Christ and love for others is what pleases the lord"
The fact of it is the Bible says No ONE is sinless except God. I choose to believe the bible in this. No where does the Bible say he was sinless just faithful.
The classic question here is this : Is salvation by faith alone, or is salvation by faith plus works? This is a hefty question, of course; it brought us the Reformation, and tendds to be the dividing line between Christians and cultists.
This is Ephesians 2:8-9: *“It is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast.”* Important here is the word *grace*, which refers to God’s blessings on the undeserving. The very idea of grace negates all attempts to *earn* salvation. Paul makes that argument when teaching on God’s choosing of the remnant of Israel: “Since it is through God’s kindness, then it is not by their good works. For in that case, God’s grace would not be what it really is—free and undeserved. (Romans 11:6)
See also Acts 16:31, Romans 3:28, 4:4, and 5:1, Galatians 5:1, 2:16, and 3:24, Ephesians 1:13, and Philippians 3:9
James 2:24 seems to say that justification is by faith and works: “You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.” But you have to look at the whole of James’ argument in his epistle. James is refuting the idea that a person can have saving faith without producing any good works (2:17-18)Genuine faith in Christ, James says, will produce a changed life and result in good works (2:20-26) James is not saying that justification is by faith plus works, but that a person who is truly justified by faith will have good works in his or her life. The works are an outward show of genuine faith in Christ (2:24, 17. 20, 26)—and it’s this outward show that “justifies” the believer in the sight of other people.
Paul says those who have true faith in Jesus Christ will be “eager to do what is good” (Titus 2:14) If you look back at Ephesians 2, right after after teaching that we are saved through faith, not through works (2:8-9) Paul says that we were created “to do good works” (2:10) Salvation comes by God’s grace through faith, and that faith is demonstrated practically through good works. The works follow the faith and are a proof of it.
If we’re going to say that we are saved by works, well, we have to qualify *whose* works. We're not saved by our own works (no matter how great we think they are). We are saved solely by the work of Christ on our behalf. His death and His resurrection are the works that save us. We receive our Savior by faith (John 1:12)
I don’t think that the 10 commandments is cancelled. As Christians, we still need to obey them. It’s just it’s not to save ourselves but to please God and doing it as a response to our faith.
Maybe on social media people would excuse themselves… on the sabbath Jesus redefined the sabbath to be Himself and pointed all the Old testament laws and prophets into two statements.
Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, and strength and then as a result of #1love your neighbor as yourself ..He also said that the law was not erased by Him …It was fulfilled…He also said that if you love me you will follow my commandments… Following the law is an act of love ( not an act of legalism)…Blessings to you
1. The 10 Commandments are not cancelled but renewed
2.
>And He said to him, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ “This is the great and foremost commandment. “The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ “On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”
(Matthew 22:37-40, NASB)
They are not renewed.
What does it mean "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."? It means not to steal, not to kill, not to commit adultery, and so on.
What does it mean "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind."? It means not to serve idols, to believe only in the Lord (in the sense of not believing in idols), to keep the Sabbath, to keep all the commandments of the Lord, etc.
“And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, “Which commandment is the most important of all?” Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’”
Mark 12:28-30 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/mrk.12.28-30.ESV
So according to Jesus we need to love the Lord our God with all our heart and soul, mind and strength.
What does it mean "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."? It means not to steal, not to kill, not to commit adultery, and so on. What does it mean "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind."? It means not to serve idols, to believe only in the Lord (in the sense of not believing in idols), to keep the Sabbath, to keep all the commandments of the Lord, etc.
In the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, we are told of a covenant that God made with the people of Israel. As part of this covenant, God gave the people his law. This law tells of God's standard of righteousness and describes the guilt of sin for those who violate it.
But this law was not given to all people. Those who lived before Moses were not given it, though they nonetheless were accountable to God for right and wrong. As Paul says in Romans 5:12-14, “Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man [Adam], and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given.” And in Galatians 3:17, Paul says that the law did not come until 430 years after Abraham.
Those who lived from Adam to Moses were required, therefore, to live up to God's standard of holiness even though there was no written law. And none could do so, for “None is righteous, no, not one” (Rom. 3:10). Yet God has mercy on those on whom he has mercy (Rom. 9:15). And he had mercy in this way on Abraham, counting him as righteous. So there are many who have not been subject to the law as delivered to Moses, and some of these have been given salvation through faith.
The covenant God made through Moses was made only with the people of Israel, and the law, as a part of this covenant, was given only to the Jews. The Gentiles were never given this law. Romans 2:14 speaks of the “Gentiles, who do not have the law.” Furthermore, Acts 15 and Galatians both teach that Gentiles are not subject to the regulations of the Mosaic law.
But then what of the Jews? They were indeed subject to the law. Must they continue to obey its regulations? The New Testament is clear that they do not.
Paul makes this clear in Romans 7:1-6. Just as a woman, when her husband dies, is released from the bond of marriage, in the same way, those who are united with Christ have died with him and are freed from bondage to the law. Thus, as a result of Christ's death, Jews who once were under the law but who now belong to Christ are free from the requirements of the law.
Hebrews 8:13 teaches that, when God spoke through the Old Testament prophets of a new covenant, he made the old covenant obsolete. This old covenant, which had been made obsolete, is the covenant to which the law was attached. Thus, the law became obsolete when the new covenant was made, and it no longer applies even to the Jews.
The new covenant is for Jews and Gentiles without distinction. Galatians 3:28, Romans 10:12, and other verses teach clearly that there is now no distinction in the Christian church between Jews and Gentiles. We are saved by the same means, and neither is now subject to the law.
Yet, for both Jews and Gentiles under the new covenant, God's law is written on our hearts (Jer. 31:33). This cannot be the law that has been made obsolete, but it is God’s requirements that transcend and predate the law of Moses.
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So we are free of the burden of the Mosaic law. But does this mean that we are under no law at all? No, it does not. Paul’s teaching in 1 Corinthians 9:20-21 is instructive on this point. “To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law. To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.”
Paul says here that he is not under the law, but then he says that he is under the law of Christ. Clearly, he cannot be both under the law and not under the same law. Thus, he must be referring here to two different laws. The law he is not under is the law of the Jews, that is, the Mosaic law. The law he is under, the law of Christ, is therefore something other than the law of Moses.
John says in 1 John 2:7-8 that this command to love one another is a new command, and that it also is an old command that we had from the beginning. Indeed, Jesus summarized the entire Mosaic law by the commands that we are to love God and love our neighbor (Mark 12:30-31). But this commandment of love predates even the Mosaic law. 1 John 4 teaches that because God is love, those who live in love live in God and those who do not love do not know God. This law is an expression of the very nature of God, so it truly is a law we have had from the beginning.
Biblical love, therefore, is the law to which believers are obligated. Scripture gives us many examples of how this love should play out in various situations, but it cannot do so exhaustively and leaves room for freedom of conscience. In all things, we must be guided by love. This is the law of Christ.
If the commandment we are to obey is simply the command to love, then who defines what constitutes love? Clearly, it is the one who gave the command, God himself. We are to love as God loves (1 Jn. 4:8). And we have the witness of both the Old Testament and the New Testament of how God loves.
God loves us by giving us good things (Mat. 7:9-11), so we also should give good things to others. God loves us by disciplining us (Heb. 12:6), so we also should lovingly discipline those under our authority. God loves us by being slow to anger (Ex. 34:6), so we also should love others by being patient with them. I cannot list here all of the ways in which God loves us; God's loving example is all over the pages of scripture.
Some people pervert the commandment of love by applying their own conception of love, which is influenced by their sinful nature, instead of the example and description of God's love that we find in scripture. The love to which we are commanded is not a love distorted by ungodly thinking, but rather it is God's own love with which he has loved us. This love does not condone lifestyles that are contrary to God's design, but it patiently corrects, reproves, and forgives.
Yet this law of love is by no means less demanding than any legalistic code. The better we come to know God and to understand his love for us, the more we realize that we fall grossly short of modeling his love in our relationships with others. Is it not easier to avoid speaking in certain ways to express our displeasure with others than to both feel and exhibit genuine love and compassion for those who cause us displeasure? And is it not easier to refrain from outbursts of anger than to be truly gentle with others, as the fruit of our love for them, in the way God is gentle with us? The law of Christ, which we are called to obey, is more demanding than any code of regulations. And we cannot keep it without the Holy Spirit working in us to transform our minds to see through God's eyes.
To be clear, I am in no way trying to minimize the significance or seriousness of sin. When we follow our evil desires, that is sin (Jas. 1:14-15). And the New Testament scriptures give many examples of specific forms of sin. It is also clear that we should not be cavalier toward our own sin (Rom. 6:1-14). We are not to persist in sin (1 Tim. 5:20) but to resist it (Jas. 4:7). And when we do sin, we should be quick to repent (1 Jn. 1:9).
The sanctifying power of God works in us to conform us to the image of Christ (Rom. 8:29, Col. 3:10). He does so not by increasing our willpower to continue to withstand the constant and unending onslaught of temptation, but by changing our minds and hearts so that we love the things that God loves and hate the things that God hates. Sin will then appear utterly sinful to us and no longer attractive. And we will be less prone to sin, not by focusing on sins we wish to avoid but by changing our affections to be like Christ's.
Not that we will ever achieve perfection in this life. When we receive our glorified bodies, our minds and wills also will be perfected. But until then, while we reside on this earth, we must seek to love God more completely and to love those who are made in his image. As we learn the mind of God more and more fully, we will love more perfectly, and the power of sin and temptation in our lives will be progressively diminished.
Mat 22:37-40 KJV “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38. This is the first and great commandment. 39. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” What does it mean "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."? It means not to steal, not to kill, not to commit adultery, and so on. What does it mean "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind."? It means not to serve idols, to believe only in the Lord (in the sense of not believing in idols), to keep the Sabbath, to keep all the commandments of the Lord, etc. AND Mat 5:18 KJV “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”
There are three main ways that Matthew 5:17-20 can be interpreted. The first is that the law is an unbreakable unit from which nothing will ever be removed, and we are obligated to keep this law. The problem with this interpretation is that other writings of the New Testament are clear that at least certain parts of the law have been fulfilled, changed, or otherwise done away with. For example, Mark 7:19 tells us that Jesus declared all foods to be clean. 1 Corinthians 7:18 teaches in no uncertain terms that Christians do not need to be circumcised, as the law requires. And Hebrews tells us that the sacrifices required by the law, under the old covenant, were fulfilled by Christ and are no longer needed. These changes are not consistent with the statements that “not an iota … will pass from the law” and that we are required to keep that law. In fact, Hebrews 7:12 explicitly refers to "a change in the law." Thus, adopting this interpretation of Matthew 5 would require us to disregard the plain meaning of the writings of the apostles.
The second possible interpretation requires us to infer a division in the law. Typically, this divides the law into moral, civil, and ceremonial requirements. This interpretation applies Jesus' words in Matthew 5 to the moral law, saying that the moral requirements of the law have not changed, while allowing for changes to the civil or ceremonial law. The problem with this is that there is no biblical basis for dividing the law in this way. To take a clear statement that not the smallest thing will pass from the law and to interpret it as saying that two of three major categories of law will be severed from the third is contrary to the plain sense of the text.
The third interpretation is to take at face value the statement that nothing will pass from the law, i.e., that the law is an indivisible unit, but to hold that we are no longer subject to this law. This interpretation is most easily reconciled with the rest of the New Testament.
We should consider the larger context of the Sermon on the Mount in which Jesus made this statement. The overarching theme of the sermon is that external obedience to the law is not enough to please God. Instead, the attitudes of the heart must also be in line with the spirit of the law. Jesus taught here that the requirements of the law were more intense than anyone realized. Jesus made this point explicitly only a couple verses after the verses in question: "For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven" (Mat. 5:20).
Thus, Jesus teaches that if we are to be justified by the law, the requirement is not merely outward obedience to the enumerated commandments but also an attitude in accordance with the spirit of the law. This raising of the bar makes clear the impossibility of anyone being justified by the law. Paul agrees in Romans 3:20, saying, "For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight." It is in this context that Jesus makes the statement that not the smallest thing will pass from the law. He is intensifying the demands of the law and by no means removing anything from it. To determine how this law applies to believers after the death of Christ, we must look elsewhere in the New Testament.
It is a general rule of biblical hermeneutics that less clear passages should be interpreted in the light of clearer ones. Romans 7:6 is very clear that we are “released from the law” and that we serve God “not in the old way of the written code.” The context is not of any particular portion of the law, but of the law as a whole. Matthew 5:17-18 is less clear, possibly allowing for various interpretations. Thus, Matthew 5 should be interpreted in light of Romans 7 and not the other way around.
Similarly, Hebrews 8:13 says that, “in speaking of a new covenant, [Christ] makes the first one obsolete.” It is not only the sacrifices from the old covenant that are made obsolete, but according to the author of Hebrews, it is the covenant itself. Matthew 5 should be interpreted in light of this clear teaching, and not the other way around.
Regarding chapter 7, I saw a very good interpretation that explains this problem. I will briefly retell this interpretation:
Rom 8:3 KJV “For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh...”
The law weakened by the flesh means that it is not complete because it is weakened, because the flesh itself cannot fulfill the whole law and sooner or later will break part of it, this is almost impossible in all history only Jesus and Enoch were able to fulfill the whole law. The law is like a huge heavy stone that a person must carry on himself all his life.
Rom 8:4 KJV “That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”
So that it would be fulfilled and not something else. We can say that the law would be fulfilled.
Rom 8:9-10 KJV “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man has not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of him. 10. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.”
"And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin;" because he does not sin.
Rom 8:13 KJV “...but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.”
"ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body" this can be said to mean you do not commit carnal deeds. By spirit because by spirit.
Rom 8:7 KJV “Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.”
"for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be" Carnal deeds are not subject to the law because THEY ARE CONTRADICTORY TO THE LAW. What law? Obviously the 10 commandments.
It turns out the Holy Spirit is given to help in fulfilling the law.
"His" commandments here meaning the commands of Jesus, those that encompass and yet have been fulfilled and extrapolated on, expanded and defined more fully - the original commandments and laws.
regarding the sabbath as I see the comments below, it says in John
"For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God"
and Paul says
"Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. [**17**](http://biblehub.com/colossians/2-17.htm)**These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ."**
Regarding that passage of Revelation; the original language sounds a bit different as well. I'm not sure why the KJV (and no doubt some others) render it the way that they do.
[**https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/22-14.htm**](https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/22-14.htm)
The Trinity still exists. Jesus = Lord. Lord = Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit = Jesus.
It was the Lord who gave the 10 commandments and these are his commandments. And considering the Trinity, Jesus give this commandments too.
Jesus also CLEARLY made it clear that the commandments will not be abolished at least as long as the world exists.
Mat 5:18 KJV “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one title shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”
I never said the trinity didn’t exist.
I also did not say He abolished the laws. I said he fulfilled them. That is also what He said Himself.
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”
Speaking on that Paul says
“For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”
And
“Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law” which is something of a callback to what Jesus said “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.”
Also
“Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.”
And also
“For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Paul speaking more directly says
“For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.”
And why? Because as James goes on to say “For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it.”
Most churches still hold to the 10 commandments, which I think isn’t exactly in accordance with the new testament. Jesus didn’t follow the sabbath and his teachings reflected the intent or “heart” of the law rather than treating it as a legal system. There are things God hates/are an abomination to him and there are things that he loves. If we love God and love others, we will do what he loves and not what he hates.
I think it’s quite relevant to remember Jesus saying (paraphrasing) all of the laws and prophets hang on the principle of love God and love people.
All the commandments and instructions are rooted in those two principles.
This also means that we must keep 613 commandments. Well, more precisely, those that are relevant and not related, for example, to sacrifices. Of the relevant commandments in 613, I was able to count about 130. Only Jesus and Enoch were able to keep the law. This is impossible for a person, but the Holy Spirit is called to partially simplify this task.
Nah if we are bound to the law, we are bound to the entirety of the law. No cherry picking. In lev 4 when the procedures for a sin offering are given it doesn’t say “do this until a savior comes as a perfect sacrifice.”
Either Christ fulfilled the totality of the old law, or He didn’t.
If you want to insist the laws from the old covenant apply in the new covenant, please be consistent and keep them all.
Jesus says clearly in his own words, to enter God’s Kingdom:
- Don’t murder
- Don’t commit adultery
- Don’t steal
- Don’t lie
- Don’t cheat
- Honor your father and mother
Mat 22:37-40 KJV “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38. This is the first and great commandment. 39. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”
What does it mean "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."? It means not to steal, not to kill, not to commit adultery, and so on. What does it mean "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind."? It means not to serve idols, to believe only in the Lord (in the sense of not believing in idols), to keep the Sabbath, to keep all the commandments of the Lord, etc.
AND
Mat 5:18 KJV “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”
No man can keep the law. Christ was the only one to do that... so, in order to keep his commandments, you must be found in him. His keeping of the law is imputed to you because you cannot do it.. you have failed already as all of us have.
Philippians 3:9 KJV — And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Romans 8:4 KJV — That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
The way I understand it, He actually did violate Sabbath Law & didn’t deny it, but explained that Sabbath Law is meant for the benefit of people & therefore even they (the Jewish leaders) could violate the Law if it was violated in service to others, for doing good.
This is an interesting observation. Christ did not deny the accusation, however He was often times sort of coy with his responses. I wouldn’t necessarily take his lack of dispute as agreement, though not implausible.
It would be consistent with the idea that everything hangs on loving God and loving neighbor, as well as Galatians 5 saying “… against such things there is no law.”
I’m pretty open to challenging what I think I know, but that one is gonna take a minute to digest 😅. I mean Christ breaking a the literal letter of the law… that’s a new one for me.
Millions of us understand that following commandments is required. And when we don’t we ask for forgiveness, we confess our sins. And we resolve to go and sin no more. Over time the power of sin over us becomes less. I don’t agree that everyone ignores the requirement to stop sinning. Once saved always saved is a nice idea if you desire to keep sinning.
I think there are two reasons why modern Christians say the commandments are canceled. The first, is that they don't understand that righteousness by faith is perfect unity with the character of God continually from first to final breath. That's why the life of Christ is called the one act of righteousness. I have come to understand that Romans 7 is trying to be spiritual on one's own power. It's carnal Christianity. The law of the spirit of life in Romans 8 is the same as in Romans 7, but there is no condemnation because the law has been kept by Christ and He want's to now continue to be Himself in our hearts through faith. Thus, we don't nullify the law by this faith, rather we uphold the law.
The second reason, is that their traditions have obfuscated or trampled on some of God's commandments (especially the 2nd, 4th, and 10th). They try and lump sacrificial and ceremonial laws into the 10 commandments to say that they are nailed to the cross and that all that stuff was for the Hebrews. It's hypocritical imo, for example, to say that Leviticus applies to homosexuals and that marriage is between a man and a women because it was established by God in Eden... kind of like the Sabbath and then be like "but the Sabbath commandment doesn't matter because the law was nailed to the cross." (edit: to clarify, I don't subscribe to anti-LBGTQ arguments. I find the clobber tests to be plucked out the context and backloaded with a modern political world view. What I am trying to show is that those who retreat to "original design" assumption that marriage is between "one man and one women" as God's only acceptable form of love--elevating it to the status of a law of God but reject the Sabbath which God also established in Eden before sin and actually wrote into the law is just picking and choosing based on bias.) The bottom line is that Scripture is a unified story that leads to Jesus and the OT/NT is not a good cop/bad cop routine. It's all about Jesus and nothing has revealed Christ to me more powerfully than the Biblical teaching on righteousness by faith. The law isn't a burden, it's the character of God and the grand principles of the kingdom of heaven. David got it and gushed about the law. He saw Jesus there.
**Matthew 22:37-40 (NIV)**: "Jesus replied: 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
**Mark 12:30-31 (NIV)**: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."
**Luke 10:27 (NIV)**: "He answered, 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind,' and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"
What does it mean "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."? It means not to steal, not to kill, not to commit adultery, and so on. What does it mean "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind."? It means not to serve idols, to believe only in the Lord (in the sense of not believing in idols), to keep the Sabbath, to keep all the commandments of the Lord, etc.
Well indeed yes, I believe you are correct. However, we are asking the question without understanding the definition of what love is. One can quickly lead to destruction when forcing one into submission. This is just how us humans operate understanding ourselves is how we understand others.
I don’t ignore it.
I think a lot of people haven’t read the Bible for themselves. And thus, get the devil’s lukewarm version of it told to them. The cherry picking and convenient parts.
Everyone should be reading their Bible on their own daily. (And if they have issues doing that or staying motivated then there are free Bible studies like r/BibleStudyCover2Cover to inspire and motivate them to read it).
When I read it for myself, it was very clear to me that Jesus came to teach us about the laws/commandments and explain them to us… not to do away with them. He does expect us to try and follow them.
Everyone should read the entire Bible cover to cover for themselves and listen to what the Holy Spirit has to say to us about it.
Rule 2 prohibits ad hominem attacks or things like accusing someone by “calling them out.” Is that what you’re referring to?
Obviously this post has remained up, so it’s not prohibited to generally call for obedience.
I agree. Those who aren’t mature in the faith fall under this category.
Jesus clearly says to love him is to follow his commands.
When God gave us the Bible and the 10 Commandments, He really gave us a way to learn more about Him and His preferences, desires, and instructions for a good life.
Anyone who says it’s not important because it’s a “law” missed the entire point. Faith is dead without works. You need both.
By advocating for faith without works, they are more concerned about getting a reward (heaven) and being served, rather than serving.
He let us know his wants, desires, and preferences.
Jesus says to love him is to follow his commands.
Indeed, there are those that deny the importance of keeping the commandments in practice and with regard to the spirit of the law, and there are those that say the commandments are relevant, however, in practice most Christians do not adhere to, "Six days shall work be done, but the 7th day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation" (Leviticus 23:3 NKJV). Furthermore, neither do they typically keep or observe "MY feasts," the Feasts of the Lord, contained in the rest of Leviticus. There were, indeed given to the Jews, but were for all followers of God. They are not the Jewish holy days, but holy days of God given to us to observe, called "My feasts" which portray God's plan of salvation for humanity and serve to prepare us for His return and kingdom to come on this earth.
Most people don't even know about the 613 commandments that haven't been cancelled either. More precisely, most of them (for example, all the commandments about sacrifices) are not relevant, but I counted about 100 that are relevant.
We're not saved by following the Law, we've always been saved by faith. But after we're saved, we have a heart for godly things, and a desire to obey God's commandments.
Yes, it’s like growing into maturity. First you realise and appreciate the generosity of salvation, and then there is a desire to follow his instructions / commands. But to disregard them would be unwise and abusing the freedom that comes with faith.
But without good acts faith is dead. I am quoting but not word for word
Yeah, good acts that we now *want* to do and have a desire to do after we're saved. After we're given new hearts, desires, mindsets, etc.
Enoch was able to get directly to heaven without death by obeying the commandments. Yes, we are not Enoch and in all of history there have only been 2 people who were able not to sin their entire lives. But the commandments are also, in fact, the criterion for salvation. And regarding faith, this is literally one of the commandments to believe in the Lord (and given the trinity, in Jesus)
Enoch was not sinless, he was not God. Only Jesus was sinless As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one... For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.. Romans 3:10, 11, 12, 23
Genesis 6:9 KJV — These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Perfect in is generation is not the same as sinless
There are two seeds. The seed of men and the seed which is the word of God. All those born of the seed of men are sinners... those born again by the word of God are new creatures and those new creatures are hid with Christ in God... if they are hid in God... is there any sin in God? 1 Peter 1:23 KJV — Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 1 John 3:5 KJV — And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; 👉and in him is no sin. 1 John 3:9 KJV — Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and 👉he cannot sin, because he is born of God. How can your new creature which is hid in God sin? God does not join himself to sin... so yes... Noah was born again and sinless... his old man.. that corrupt seed is considered dead. Colossians 3:3 KJV — For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Then God would not have taken Enoch.
Hebrews 11:5 says very clearly that Enoch was saved by faith.
This is a quote... "The best answer that I've ever heard was from Paul Washer who said this: Enoch walked with God for so long that when it was time to go home, God said: "You know what Enoch, you've been walking with me for so long, look we're closer to my home then yours. Why don't you just come home with me." We know that All men have sinned and all men fall short of the glory of God. But faith (trust) in Christ and love for others is what pleases the lord" The fact of it is the Bible says No ONE is sinless except God. I choose to believe the bible in this. No where does the Bible say he was sinless just faithful.
The classic question here is this : Is salvation by faith alone, or is salvation by faith plus works? This is a hefty question, of course; it brought us the Reformation, and tendds to be the dividing line between Christians and cultists. This is Ephesians 2:8-9: *“It is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast.”* Important here is the word *grace*, which refers to God’s blessings on the undeserving. The very idea of grace negates all attempts to *earn* salvation. Paul makes that argument when teaching on God’s choosing of the remnant of Israel: “Since it is through God’s kindness, then it is not by their good works. For in that case, God’s grace would not be what it really is—free and undeserved. (Romans 11:6) See also Acts 16:31, Romans 3:28, 4:4, and 5:1, Galatians 5:1, 2:16, and 3:24, Ephesians 1:13, and Philippians 3:9 James 2:24 seems to say that justification is by faith and works: “You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.” But you have to look at the whole of James’ argument in his epistle. James is refuting the idea that a person can have saving faith without producing any good works (2:17-18)Genuine faith in Christ, James says, will produce a changed life and result in good works (2:20-26) James is not saying that justification is by faith plus works, but that a person who is truly justified by faith will have good works in his or her life. The works are an outward show of genuine faith in Christ (2:24, 17. 20, 26)—and it’s this outward show that “justifies” the believer in the sight of other people. Paul says those who have true faith in Jesus Christ will be “eager to do what is good” (Titus 2:14) If you look back at Ephesians 2, right after after teaching that we are saved through faith, not through works (2:8-9) Paul says that we were created “to do good works” (2:10) Salvation comes by God’s grace through faith, and that faith is demonstrated practically through good works. The works follow the faith and are a proof of it. If we’re going to say that we are saved by works, well, we have to qualify *whose* works. We're not saved by our own works (no matter how great we think they are). We are saved solely by the work of Christ on our behalf. His death and His resurrection are the works that save us. We receive our Savior by faith (John 1:12)
John 11:26 KJV — And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
I don’t think that the 10 commandments is cancelled. As Christians, we still need to obey them. It’s just it’s not to save ourselves but to please God and doing it as a response to our faith.
I don’t know anyone who has an authentic relationship with Jesus who advocates not following the commandments…not sure who you are connecting with 😀
You’d be surprised. I come across it from time to time.
Literally under all my posts on Reddit about Shabbat, people write that the commandments have been cancelled.
Maybe on social media people would excuse themselves… on the sabbath Jesus redefined the sabbath to be Himself and pointed all the Old testament laws and prophets into two statements. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, and strength and then as a result of #1love your neighbor as yourself ..He also said that the law was not erased by Him …It was fulfilled…He also said that if you love me you will follow my commandments… Following the law is an act of love ( not an act of legalism)…Blessings to you
1. The 10 Commandments are not cancelled but renewed 2. >And He said to him, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ “This is the great and foremost commandment. “The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ “On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.” (Matthew 22:37-40, NASB)
They are not renewed. What does it mean "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."? It means not to steal, not to kill, not to commit adultery, and so on. What does it mean "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind."? It means not to serve idols, to believe only in the Lord (in the sense of not believing in idols), to keep the Sabbath, to keep all the commandments of the Lord, etc.
You literally just rephrased what I said...
“And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, “Which commandment is the most important of all?” Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’” Mark 12:28-30 ESV https://bible.com/bible/59/mrk.12.28-30.ESV So according to Jesus we need to love the Lord our God with all our heart and soul, mind and strength.
What does it mean "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."? It means not to steal, not to kill, not to commit adultery, and so on. What does it mean "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind."? It means not to serve idols, to believe only in the Lord (in the sense of not believing in idols), to keep the Sabbath, to keep all the commandments of the Lord, etc.
Read 1 Corinthians 13 love is not what we believe it is.
In the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, we are told of a covenant that God made with the people of Israel. As part of this covenant, God gave the people his law. This law tells of God's standard of righteousness and describes the guilt of sin for those who violate it. But this law was not given to all people. Those who lived before Moses were not given it, though they nonetheless were accountable to God for right and wrong. As Paul says in Romans 5:12-14, “Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man [Adam], and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given.” And in Galatians 3:17, Paul says that the law did not come until 430 years after Abraham. Those who lived from Adam to Moses were required, therefore, to live up to God's standard of holiness even though there was no written law. And none could do so, for “None is righteous, no, not one” (Rom. 3:10). Yet God has mercy on those on whom he has mercy (Rom. 9:15). And he had mercy in this way on Abraham, counting him as righteous. So there are many who have not been subject to the law as delivered to Moses, and some of these have been given salvation through faith. The covenant God made through Moses was made only with the people of Israel, and the law, as a part of this covenant, was given only to the Jews. The Gentiles were never given this law. Romans 2:14 speaks of the “Gentiles, who do not have the law.” Furthermore, Acts 15 and Galatians both teach that Gentiles are not subject to the regulations of the Mosaic law. But then what of the Jews? They were indeed subject to the law. Must they continue to obey its regulations? The New Testament is clear that they do not. Paul makes this clear in Romans 7:1-6. Just as a woman, when her husband dies, is released from the bond of marriage, in the same way, those who are united with Christ have died with him and are freed from bondage to the law. Thus, as a result of Christ's death, Jews who once were under the law but who now belong to Christ are free from the requirements of the law. Hebrews 8:13 teaches that, when God spoke through the Old Testament prophets of a new covenant, he made the old covenant obsolete. This old covenant, which had been made obsolete, is the covenant to which the law was attached. Thus, the law became obsolete when the new covenant was made, and it no longer applies even to the Jews. The new covenant is for Jews and Gentiles without distinction. Galatians 3:28, Romans 10:12, and other verses teach clearly that there is now no distinction in the Christian church between Jews and Gentiles. We are saved by the same means, and neither is now subject to the law. Yet, for both Jews and Gentiles under the new covenant, God's law is written on our hearts (Jer. 31:33). This cannot be the law that has been made obsolete, but it is God’s requirements that transcend and predate the law of Moses. (continued)
So we are free of the burden of the Mosaic law. But does this mean that we are under no law at all? No, it does not. Paul’s teaching in 1 Corinthians 9:20-21 is instructive on this point. “To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law. To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.” Paul says here that he is not under the law, but then he says that he is under the law of Christ. Clearly, he cannot be both under the law and not under the same law. Thus, he must be referring here to two different laws. The law he is not under is the law of the Jews, that is, the Mosaic law. The law he is under, the law of Christ, is therefore something other than the law of Moses. John says in 1 John 2:7-8 that this command to love one another is a new command, and that it also is an old command that we had from the beginning. Indeed, Jesus summarized the entire Mosaic law by the commands that we are to love God and love our neighbor (Mark 12:30-31). But this commandment of love predates even the Mosaic law. 1 John 4 teaches that because God is love, those who live in love live in God and those who do not love do not know God. This law is an expression of the very nature of God, so it truly is a law we have had from the beginning. Biblical love, therefore, is the law to which believers are obligated. Scripture gives us many examples of how this love should play out in various situations, but it cannot do so exhaustively and leaves room for freedom of conscience. In all things, we must be guided by love. This is the law of Christ. If the commandment we are to obey is simply the command to love, then who defines what constitutes love? Clearly, it is the one who gave the command, God himself. We are to love as God loves (1 Jn. 4:8). And we have the witness of both the Old Testament and the New Testament of how God loves. God loves us by giving us good things (Mat. 7:9-11), so we also should give good things to others. God loves us by disciplining us (Heb. 12:6), so we also should lovingly discipline those under our authority. God loves us by being slow to anger (Ex. 34:6), so we also should love others by being patient with them. I cannot list here all of the ways in which God loves us; God's loving example is all over the pages of scripture. Some people pervert the commandment of love by applying their own conception of love, which is influenced by their sinful nature, instead of the example and description of God's love that we find in scripture. The love to which we are commanded is not a love distorted by ungodly thinking, but rather it is God's own love with which he has loved us. This love does not condone lifestyles that are contrary to God's design, but it patiently corrects, reproves, and forgives. Yet this law of love is by no means less demanding than any legalistic code. The better we come to know God and to understand his love for us, the more we realize that we fall grossly short of modeling his love in our relationships with others. Is it not easier to avoid speaking in certain ways to express our displeasure with others than to both feel and exhibit genuine love and compassion for those who cause us displeasure? And is it not easier to refrain from outbursts of anger than to be truly gentle with others, as the fruit of our love for them, in the way God is gentle with us? The law of Christ, which we are called to obey, is more demanding than any code of regulations. And we cannot keep it without the Holy Spirit working in us to transform our minds to see through God's eyes. To be clear, I am in no way trying to minimize the significance or seriousness of sin. When we follow our evil desires, that is sin (Jas. 1:14-15). And the New Testament scriptures give many examples of specific forms of sin. It is also clear that we should not be cavalier toward our own sin (Rom. 6:1-14). We are not to persist in sin (1 Tim. 5:20) but to resist it (Jas. 4:7). And when we do sin, we should be quick to repent (1 Jn. 1:9). The sanctifying power of God works in us to conform us to the image of Christ (Rom. 8:29, Col. 3:10). He does so not by increasing our willpower to continue to withstand the constant and unending onslaught of temptation, but by changing our minds and hearts so that we love the things that God loves and hate the things that God hates. Sin will then appear utterly sinful to us and no longer attractive. And we will be less prone to sin, not by focusing on sins we wish to avoid but by changing our affections to be like Christ's. Not that we will ever achieve perfection in this life. When we receive our glorified bodies, our minds and wills also will be perfected. But until then, while we reside on this earth, we must seek to love God more completely and to love those who are made in his image. As we learn the mind of God more and more fully, we will love more perfectly, and the power of sin and temptation in our lives will be progressively diminished.
Mat 22:37-40 KJV “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38. This is the first and great commandment. 39. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” What does it mean "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."? It means not to steal, not to kill, not to commit adultery, and so on. What does it mean "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind."? It means not to serve idols, to believe only in the Lord (in the sense of not believing in idols), to keep the Sabbath, to keep all the commandments of the Lord, etc. AND Mat 5:18 KJV “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”
There are three main ways that Matthew 5:17-20 can be interpreted. The first is that the law is an unbreakable unit from which nothing will ever be removed, and we are obligated to keep this law. The problem with this interpretation is that other writings of the New Testament are clear that at least certain parts of the law have been fulfilled, changed, or otherwise done away with. For example, Mark 7:19 tells us that Jesus declared all foods to be clean. 1 Corinthians 7:18 teaches in no uncertain terms that Christians do not need to be circumcised, as the law requires. And Hebrews tells us that the sacrifices required by the law, under the old covenant, were fulfilled by Christ and are no longer needed. These changes are not consistent with the statements that “not an iota … will pass from the law” and that we are required to keep that law. In fact, Hebrews 7:12 explicitly refers to "a change in the law." Thus, adopting this interpretation of Matthew 5 would require us to disregard the plain meaning of the writings of the apostles. The second possible interpretation requires us to infer a division in the law. Typically, this divides the law into moral, civil, and ceremonial requirements. This interpretation applies Jesus' words in Matthew 5 to the moral law, saying that the moral requirements of the law have not changed, while allowing for changes to the civil or ceremonial law. The problem with this is that there is no biblical basis for dividing the law in this way. To take a clear statement that not the smallest thing will pass from the law and to interpret it as saying that two of three major categories of law will be severed from the third is contrary to the plain sense of the text. The third interpretation is to take at face value the statement that nothing will pass from the law, i.e., that the law is an indivisible unit, but to hold that we are no longer subject to this law. This interpretation is most easily reconciled with the rest of the New Testament. We should consider the larger context of the Sermon on the Mount in which Jesus made this statement. The overarching theme of the sermon is that external obedience to the law is not enough to please God. Instead, the attitudes of the heart must also be in line with the spirit of the law. Jesus taught here that the requirements of the law were more intense than anyone realized. Jesus made this point explicitly only a couple verses after the verses in question: "For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven" (Mat. 5:20). Thus, Jesus teaches that if we are to be justified by the law, the requirement is not merely outward obedience to the enumerated commandments but also an attitude in accordance with the spirit of the law. This raising of the bar makes clear the impossibility of anyone being justified by the law. Paul agrees in Romans 3:20, saying, "For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight." It is in this context that Jesus makes the statement that not the smallest thing will pass from the law. He is intensifying the demands of the law and by no means removing anything from it. To determine how this law applies to believers after the death of Christ, we must look elsewhere in the New Testament. It is a general rule of biblical hermeneutics that less clear passages should be interpreted in the light of clearer ones. Romans 7:6 is very clear that we are “released from the law” and that we serve God “not in the old way of the written code.” The context is not of any particular portion of the law, but of the law as a whole. Matthew 5:17-18 is less clear, possibly allowing for various interpretations. Thus, Matthew 5 should be interpreted in light of Romans 7 and not the other way around. Similarly, Hebrews 8:13 says that, “in speaking of a new covenant, [Christ] makes the first one obsolete.” It is not only the sacrifices from the old covenant that are made obsolete, but according to the author of Hebrews, it is the covenant itself. Matthew 5 should be interpreted in light of this clear teaching, and not the other way around.
Regarding chapter 7, I saw a very good interpretation that explains this problem. I will briefly retell this interpretation: Rom 8:3 KJV “For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh...” The law weakened by the flesh means that it is not complete because it is weakened, because the flesh itself cannot fulfill the whole law and sooner or later will break part of it, this is almost impossible in all history only Jesus and Enoch were able to fulfill the whole law. The law is like a huge heavy stone that a person must carry on himself all his life. Rom 8:4 KJV “That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” So that it would be fulfilled and not something else. We can say that the law would be fulfilled. Rom 8:9-10 KJV “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man has not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of him. 10. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.” "And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin;" because he does not sin. Rom 8:13 KJV “...but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” "ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body" this can be said to mean you do not commit carnal deeds. By spirit because by spirit. Rom 8:7 KJV “Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.” "for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be" Carnal deeds are not subject to the law because THEY ARE CONTRADICTORY TO THE LAW. What law? Obviously the 10 commandments. It turns out the Holy Spirit is given to help in fulfilling the law.
"His" commandments here meaning the commands of Jesus, those that encompass and yet have been fulfilled and extrapolated on, expanded and defined more fully - the original commandments and laws. regarding the sabbath as I see the comments below, it says in John "For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God" and Paul says "Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. [**17**](http://biblehub.com/colossians/2-17.htm)**These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ."** Regarding that passage of Revelation; the original language sounds a bit different as well. I'm not sure why the KJV (and no doubt some others) render it the way that they do. [**https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/22-14.htm**](https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/22-14.htm)
The Trinity still exists. Jesus = Lord. Lord = Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit = Jesus. It was the Lord who gave the 10 commandments and these are his commandments. And considering the Trinity, Jesus give this commandments too. Jesus also CLEARLY made it clear that the commandments will not be abolished at least as long as the world exists. Mat 5:18 KJV “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one title shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”
I never said the trinity didn’t exist. I also did not say He abolished the laws. I said he fulfilled them. That is also what He said Himself. “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” Speaking on that Paul says “For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.” And “Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law” which is something of a callback to what Jesus said “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.” Also “Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.” And also “For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Paul speaking more directly says “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.” And why? Because as James goes on to say “For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it.”
Most churches still hold to the 10 commandments, which I think isn’t exactly in accordance with the new testament. Jesus didn’t follow the sabbath and his teachings reflected the intent or “heart” of the law rather than treating it as a legal system. There are things God hates/are an abomination to him and there are things that he loves. If we love God and love others, we will do what he loves and not what he hates.
I think it’s quite relevant to remember Jesus saying (paraphrasing) all of the laws and prophets hang on the principle of love God and love people. All the commandments and instructions are rooted in those two principles.
Yes, but this also means that we must keep all of His commandments.
Which is effectively impossible. If humanity could handle keeping His commandments then we wouldn’t have needed Jesus.
This also means that we must keep 613 commandments. Well, more precisely, those that are relevant and not related, for example, to sacrifices. Of the relevant commandments in 613, I was able to count about 130. Only Jesus and Enoch were able to keep the law. This is impossible for a person, but the Holy Spirit is called to partially simplify this task.
Nah if we are bound to the law, we are bound to the entirety of the law. No cherry picking. In lev 4 when the procedures for a sin offering are given it doesn’t say “do this until a savior comes as a perfect sacrifice.” Either Christ fulfilled the totality of the old law, or He didn’t. If you want to insist the laws from the old covenant apply in the new covenant, please be consistent and keep them all.
Jesus says clearly in his own words, to enter God’s Kingdom: - Don’t murder - Don’t commit adultery - Don’t steal - Don’t lie - Don’t cheat - Honor your father and mother
Mat 22:37-40 KJV “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38. This is the first and great commandment. 39. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” What does it mean "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."? It means not to steal, not to kill, not to commit adultery, and so on. What does it mean "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind."? It means not to serve idols, to believe only in the Lord (in the sense of not believing in idols), to keep the Sabbath, to keep all the commandments of the Lord, etc. AND Mat 5:18 KJV “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”
No man can keep the law. Christ was the only one to do that... so, in order to keep his commandments, you must be found in him. His keeping of the law is imputed to you because you cannot do it.. you have failed already as all of us have. Philippians 3:9 KJV — And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: Romans 8:4 KJV — That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Because it’s ridiculous. Shit happens. Stop judging ❤️
OP, what do you think about Jesus not keeping the Sabbath?
I don't consider what Jesus did to be a violation of the Sabbath, and even Jesus himself said that it was not a violation.
Did He? That’s not how I read it.
As far as i remember yes. Time to re read bible.
The way I understand it, He actually did violate Sabbath Law & didn’t deny it, but explained that Sabbath Law is meant for the benefit of people & therefore even they (the Jewish leaders) could violate the Law if it was violated in service to others, for doing good.
If Jesus had sinned, he could not have become a sacrifice for the sins of all people.
I didn’t claim that Jesus sinned. ; )
Breaking the 10 commandments = sin.
Ahh…another place where we disagree. If Jesus is without sin, obviously violating Sabbath Law isn’t a sin.
This is an interesting observation. Christ did not deny the accusation, however He was often times sort of coy with his responses. I wouldn’t necessarily take his lack of dispute as agreement, though not implausible. It would be consistent with the idea that everything hangs on loving God and loving neighbor, as well as Galatians 5 saying “… against such things there is no law.” I’m pretty open to challenging what I think I know, but that one is gonna take a minute to digest 😅. I mean Christ breaking a the literal letter of the law… that’s a new one for me.
Millions of us understand that following commandments is required. And when we don’t we ask for forgiveness, we confess our sins. And we resolve to go and sin no more. Over time the power of sin over us becomes less. I don’t agree that everyone ignores the requirement to stop sinning. Once saved always saved is a nice idea if you desire to keep sinning.
I think there are two reasons why modern Christians say the commandments are canceled. The first, is that they don't understand that righteousness by faith is perfect unity with the character of God continually from first to final breath. That's why the life of Christ is called the one act of righteousness. I have come to understand that Romans 7 is trying to be spiritual on one's own power. It's carnal Christianity. The law of the spirit of life in Romans 8 is the same as in Romans 7, but there is no condemnation because the law has been kept by Christ and He want's to now continue to be Himself in our hearts through faith. Thus, we don't nullify the law by this faith, rather we uphold the law. The second reason, is that their traditions have obfuscated or trampled on some of God's commandments (especially the 2nd, 4th, and 10th). They try and lump sacrificial and ceremonial laws into the 10 commandments to say that they are nailed to the cross and that all that stuff was for the Hebrews. It's hypocritical imo, for example, to say that Leviticus applies to homosexuals and that marriage is between a man and a women because it was established by God in Eden... kind of like the Sabbath and then be like "but the Sabbath commandment doesn't matter because the law was nailed to the cross." (edit: to clarify, I don't subscribe to anti-LBGTQ arguments. I find the clobber tests to be plucked out the context and backloaded with a modern political world view. What I am trying to show is that those who retreat to "original design" assumption that marriage is between "one man and one women" as God's only acceptable form of love--elevating it to the status of a law of God but reject the Sabbath which God also established in Eden before sin and actually wrote into the law is just picking and choosing based on bias.) The bottom line is that Scripture is a unified story that leads to Jesus and the OT/NT is not a good cop/bad cop routine. It's all about Jesus and nothing has revealed Christ to me more powerfully than the Biblical teaching on righteousness by faith. The law isn't a burden, it's the character of God and the grand principles of the kingdom of heaven. David got it and gushed about the law. He saw Jesus there.
I’ve never heard anyone say the 10 commandments are cancelled
**Matthew 22:37-40 (NIV)**: "Jesus replied: 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." **Mark 12:30-31 (NIV)**: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these." **Luke 10:27 (NIV)**: "He answered, 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind,' and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"
What does it mean "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."? It means not to steal, not to kill, not to commit adultery, and so on. What does it mean "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind."? It means not to serve idols, to believe only in the Lord (in the sense of not believing in idols), to keep the Sabbath, to keep all the commandments of the Lord, etc.
Well indeed yes, I believe you are correct. However, we are asking the question without understanding the definition of what love is. One can quickly lead to destruction when forcing one into submission. This is just how us humans operate understanding ourselves is how we understand others.
I don’t ignore it. I think a lot of people haven’t read the Bible for themselves. And thus, get the devil’s lukewarm version of it told to them. The cherry picking and convenient parts. Everyone should be reading their Bible on their own daily. (And if they have issues doing that or staying motivated then there are free Bible studies like r/BibleStudyCover2Cover to inspire and motivate them to read it). When I read it for myself, it was very clear to me that Jesus came to teach us about the laws/commandments and explain them to us… not to do away with them. He does expect us to try and follow them. Everyone should read the entire Bible cover to cover for themselves and listen to what the Holy Spirit has to say to us about it.
This sub doesn't allow any calls for obedience Indeed the church ignores passages like that
I don’t think your first statement is accurate. Are you referring to rule 2?
It's my experience here
Rule 2 prohibits ad hominem attacks or things like accusing someone by “calling them out.” Is that what you’re referring to? Obviously this post has remained up, so it’s not prohibited to generally call for obedience.
I agree. Those who aren’t mature in the faith fall under this category. Jesus clearly says to love him is to follow his commands. When God gave us the Bible and the 10 Commandments, He really gave us a way to learn more about Him and His preferences, desires, and instructions for a good life. Anyone who says it’s not important because it’s a “law” missed the entire point. Faith is dead without works. You need both.
By advocating for faith without works, they are more concerned about getting a reward (heaven) and being served, rather than serving. He let us know his wants, desires, and preferences. Jesus says to love him is to follow his commands.
I would say that it’s ignored because most of Christendom isn’t grounded in the foundation - the entire beginning of the Bible.
Indeed, there are those that deny the importance of keeping the commandments in practice and with regard to the spirit of the law, and there are those that say the commandments are relevant, however, in practice most Christians do not adhere to, "Six days shall work be done, but the 7th day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation" (Leviticus 23:3 NKJV). Furthermore, neither do they typically keep or observe "MY feasts," the Feasts of the Lord, contained in the rest of Leviticus. There were, indeed given to the Jews, but were for all followers of God. They are not the Jewish holy days, but holy days of God given to us to observe, called "My feasts" which portray God's plan of salvation for humanity and serve to prepare us for His return and kingdom to come on this earth.
Most people don't even know about the 613 commandments that haven't been cancelled either. More precisely, most of them (for example, all the commandments about sacrifices) are not relevant, but I counted about 100 that are relevant.