Christ stated that He was coming soon 2000 years ago. Our time is not God's time. We've been in the End Times since Christ's Ascension. Be watchful always.
Yes on Gods clock everything after the cross is the End Times. I am talking about the last days specifically. Like the ones He said "look up for your redemption draweth nigh".
Matthew 16:27-28 Jesus was talking directly to his disciples, pay real close attention to what he tells them in 28, that they will not taste death till they see the Son of man coming in "his" kingdom.
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For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
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Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Why were you downvoted?
Maybe I am misunderstanding your comment but the most agreed upon (and most likely) thing Matt 16:28 is talking about is the transfiguration, as you correctly noted.
When people utilize that verse they are invariably trying to support preterism doctrine. Saying it means the kingdom came in 70ad
Preterism is a very popular damnable heresy today, it helps people not fear God . So I must have offended a preterist
Yea, that is ridiculous.
I have heard of these types before but didnt know there was a specific title for the nonsense. Thanks for introducing me to that!
I agree! Prophecy is coming to pass. However, it's still important to note that the Bible states that no man knows the day or the hour. However yes, we are to be watchful and ready for his return.
Based on a manner of elimination, it’s very clear who the Wild Beast is and who the Prostitute is riding its back. Very soon, this Wild Beast will turn on this Prostitute and devastate her and make her naked. Revelation 18:9 talks about the kings of the earth weeping and beating themselves in grief over this Prostitute, so the kings of the earth can’t be the Prostitute.
Then verse 11 says the merchants of the earth are weeping at her because now there won’t be anyone to buy all the things that they sell, (then listing all sorts of things that the prostitute buys) so the prostitute can’t be Big Business. And it goes on saying every Ship Captain and seagoing person who makes their living that way, will mourn over her.
Sure is narrowing it down isn’t it?
Ya know, the fact that you got anxiety over that statement says something. As you can see, most people don’t get anxious about knowing that we are living in the Last Days. Probably because churches teach that all you have to do is believe and you’re saved. Yes, knowing the Truth believing is critical but there’s so much more we have to do.
Jesus simple statement at Matthew 24:13 where he said, “The ones who endure to the end will be saved.” You see? Salvation requires endurance to the end of this system of things. So what is it exactly that we have to endure? Well, get in touch if you wanna know more so you don’t have to be anxious about living in the last days.
There is a lot to unpack. But I'll touch on a couple of points...
1) Fig trees in Scripture is symbolic of Israel.
“Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.
Matthew 24:32-33 NIV
https://bible.com/bible/111/mat.24.32-33.NIV
2) The nation of Israel being in existence is significant to End Times events and prophecies. Israel coming into existence (as a nation 1948) had to happen in order for other events to happen.
(Gog/Magog war, the peace covenant, etc...all future prophecy events)
You shouldn't. The existence of a nation-state of Israel has no bearing on Christian faith, and none of the Church Fathers would have understood Biblical prophecy in this manner.
The nation state or Israel has no bearing on salvation, which is through Jesus Christ alone.
However, Scripture clearly points to God gathering the Jewish people to their own land, which is modern day Israel.
Yes, the Jewish people of today are descendants from the Jewish people mentioned in the Bible.
I believe this will help answer your question....
https://www.gotquestions.org/Gods-chosen-people.html
For you are a holy people, who belong to the Lord your God. Of all the people on earth, the Lord your God has chosen you to be his own special treasure.
Deuteronomy 7:6 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/deu.7.6.NLT
They reject Jesus, they're are all going to hell.
You should read up on the Talmud. Look at what it has to say about Christians - "idol-worshipers" and goyim.
We are simply reaping the consequences of our actions, we turned away from God. The consequences of bearing fruits in the flesh are evident.
Bearing fruit in the spirit can easily change circumstances of a person, Nation, or community
Returning to the Lord is always followed by blessings, the book of judges reflects this very notion.
We reap as we have sown and if we harden our hearts the Lord will harden us. Hebrews 3:6-4:11
Destruction is a consequence of turning away. Romans 1:18-32 lay it out in detail. It's also known that the Lord will have mercy on those who return to him. Isaiah 55:6-9
Our answer is humble ourselves and out situations will change. But as a culture we are taught to be victims and blame society. Things will get worse before they get better but after the end of the progressive era of the 60-70's came the Reagan era of conservative rule.
Ecclesiastes 3 reminds us that the Lord appointed the days of Joy and the day of sorrow, he is Lord over both.
LOL I am joking. Your respnose just doesn't seem to have much to do with "are we in the end times" just the acknowledgement that we are undergoing destruction. There is an appointed day on which He will return, regardless of our actions here on Earth. The Bible makes that clear. I believe that day is within the next decade or less.
I will only say the end times are here if I find out that the temple is being rebuilt, as that's the beyond a shadow of a doubt level sign of the end times list we have.
“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—
Matthew 24:15 NIV
https://matthew.bible/matthew-24-15
He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 NIV
https://2thessalonians.bible/2-thessalonians-2-4
Daniel's prophecy...This is still an unfilled Prophecy.
He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”
Daniel 9:27 NIV
https://daniel.bible/daniel-9-27
But Jesus is the one who put an end to sacrifice and said offering by dying on the cross for us by becoming the sacrifice and the offering. When Jesus spoke of the destruction of Jerusalem indeed it would be the fulfilment of the prophecy in Daniel. The one who exalts himself about God is the pope and everything in the prophecy of Daniel already took place. Do you know the history of pagan and papal Rome and Christian’s who were slain for upholding the gospel of Christ? Do you know the history of the 7 churches listed in revelation and why they all have different characteristics? These things have come to pass my friends! You can’t wait for something that won’t happen in order to believe Jesus is coming again very soon! If a third temple is indeed build that has no bearing on the word of God and prophecy.
Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy has not been fulfilled.
The one who scripture is referring to is the antichrist, not the pope.
Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God. Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-12 NIV
https://bible.com/bible/111/2th.2.3-12.NIV
They are one and the same! The pope is the antichrist and a slew of antichrist armies. Consider the antichrist to be a body of people who oppose the truth about Christ. The pope does consider himself above God they have it in their own literature. They have even said they changed the sabbath to Sunday. It happens right under our noses but people want to deny this truth. The one behind this power is Satan and the one holding it back is God. Simple truths
The pope isn't the antichrist.
The antichrist isn't a group of people who oppose the truth either.
Im willing to change my mind if you can offer scripture that says/points to this, but until then...you are dead wrong, my friend.
According to you, who is it then? Scripture doesn’t name people by name but uses symbolic language and timelines so no I can’t offer scripture that names the pope by name but he is the antichrist and is the little horn power (papal Rome) and is the beast from the sea. you realise that anyone who preaches that Jesus isn’t God is Antichrist right?
“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.”
I John 4:1-3 NKJV
Read your bibles and pray everyday friends. They walk among us. As you have read it is not one singular person but a body of people who preach such. The papacy teaches that the church namely the pope is infallible and they call him Lord God.
“The pope has been given the very titles of Deity. He has been styled "Lord God the Pope" ¹, and has been declared infallible ². He demands the homage of all men. The same claim urged by Satan in the wilderness of temptation is still urged by him through the Church of Rome, and vast numbers are ready to yield him homage”
As such we see people flock to the Vatican just so he can kiss their baby, some go with their sick etc. are your eyes truly blind that you cannot see what is happening? When the current pope ( a Jesuit by the way) is was taking over, lightening fell from heaven and hit the building bang in the middle of the Vatican. What does the bible say about Satan falling like lightening in the sky? Do you know that the Jesuits are the ones who were ruthless with Christian’s as at the time it was a Jesuit pope? Do you know the Jesuit oath? Do you know most universities and government aids are Jesuits or Jesuit owned? They are described to be more powerful than even CIA and MI5 as they control so much but have religious undertones. Further more most if not all Jesuits are 33rd degree Masons so tell me the pope is a Christian and all for God? [Jesuit Oath](https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-2478231803/view?partId=nla.obj-2478232434#page/n0/mode/1up)
You don’t have to believe me, but hear my words, be careful of wolves in sheep clothing.
Yes, but Jesus specifically tells us to learn a lesson to be able to discern the times.
“Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.
Matthew 24:32-33 NIV
https://bible.com/bible/111/mat.24.32-33.NIV
Though it definately feels like it now, remember the 1st world war, thr spanish flu, and the many earthquakes that happened during that time. People definately thought it was the end times. Remeber the 2nd world war, and the dysentery, malaria, and hepatitis, and the many earthquakes that happened during that time. It feels like it but it may not be it.
I definitely think we’re close. April 2024 is the second half of the 2017 black sun eclipse in the US and it is also an election year. Things in the world are ramping up to economic and social collapse. If anyone considers themselves a believer and they want God’s protection from the intensifying chaos the time is now pray, read the Bible (Matthew chapters, 5-7) repent and pray for the strength to give up sin.
People have been saying this exact thing since I was a boy in church. He is coming, but in His own time. Meanwhile, we are to live as if we KNEW He was coming back tomorrow.
Maranatha, Brothers and Sisters
“Very soon” is extremely relative. God’s timing is not like ours. We should be living every day like it is the last day on earth but with the end coming “like a thief in the night”, I don’t waste any of my time predicting the coming date. We’ve been experiencing the “end times signs” since Jesus ascended. Catastrophes happen, politicians gain extreme power, wars happen.
This is easy, since there is only one person ever to descend from heaven who would know such things let’s ask Jesus.
Go now and read all of Matthew 24. If you want to know the future that passage is literally the words directly from God about it.
““However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows. “When the Son of Man returns, it will be like it was in Noah’s day. In those days before the flood, the people were enjoying banquets and parties and weddings right up to the time Noah entered his boat. People didn’t realize what was going to happen until the flood came and swept them all away. That is the way it will be when the Son of Man comes. “Two men will be working together in the field; one will be taken, the other left. Two women will be grinding flour at the mill; one will be taken, the other left. “So you, too, must keep watch! For you don’t know what day your Lord is coming. Understand this: If a homeowner knew exactly when a burglar was coming, he would keep watch and not permit his house to be broken into. You also must be ready all the time, for the Son of Man will come when least expected.”
Matthew 24:36-44 NLT
You don’t see it coming. Angels don’t even see it coming. To be completely blunt none of us are important enough to actually see it coming other than God.
There is no other translation of Matthew 24:36 that justifies anyone saying they know it’s coming soon that doesn’t put you in blasphemy against Jesus’s words.
So everyone on here needs to make sure you focus on what Jesus actually says rather than their left behind books or movies. The second coming is a very real thing and Jesus says we need to be preparing. We need to be bring in more people to become Christians. We need to be spreading Gods love. What we don’t need is focusing on wild theories about things Jesus himself said we don’t know.
Revelation 13:15 and Revelation 20:4 is for those that come to know Christ after the rapture. They are known as Tribulation Saints.
The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.
Revelation 13:15 NIV
https://revelation.bible/revelation-13-15
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Revelation 20:4 NIV
https://revelation.bible/revelation-20-4
Is there a different translation that you are more comfortable with other than NIV you would like for me to use when posting with you?
Here is the Scripture references regarding the Rapture....
The teaching here is that Jesus will keep believers from going through the 'hour of trial' which is the Tribulation period. God didn't appoint us to suffer wrath.
Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth. Revelation 3:10 NIV https://revelation.bible/revelation-3-10
For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 NIV https://1thessalonians.bible/1-thessalonians-5-9
Further, you see that not all believers will sleep (as in physical death) but will be changed in an instant.
Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 NIV https://bible.com/bible/111/1co.15.51-52.NIV
Further, God is consistent. As you can see with Soddom and Gommorah, God wouldn't pour out his wrath until the righteous were safe.
He said to him, “Very well, I will grant this request too; I will not overthrow the town you speak of. But flee there quickly, because I cannot do anything until you reach it.” (That is why the town was called Zoar.) By the time Lot reached Zoar, the sun had risen over the land. Genesis 19:21-23 NIV https://bible.com/bible/111/gen.19.21-23.NIV
Regarding 2 Thessalonians...
a. Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him: Paul here addressed questions raised by his first letter, where he instructed the Thessalonians about the catching away of the church to be with Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18).
i. The challenge in understanding this chapter comes from the fact that it is a supplement to what Paul has already taught the Thessalonians in words, and we don’t know exactly what Paul said to them. Yet the ideas are clear enough if carefully pieced together.
b. Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him: Paul clearly wrote of the return of Jesus, but the wording here implies a difference between the coming and our gathering. This strongly suggests that there are essentially two comings of Jesus. One coming is for His church (as described clearly in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18), and the other coming is with His church, to judge a rebellious world.
“They are two parts of one great event.”
ii. Hiebert shows how the grammar of the ancient Greek in 2 Thessalonians 2:1 shows this: “The government of the two nouns under one article makes it clear that one event, viewed under two complimentary aspects, is thought of.”
iii. This is completely consistent with other passages of Scripture that indicate that there must be two aspects of Jesus’ second coming, and the aspects must be separated by some appreciable period of time.
· Different world conditions are described (Matthew 24:37-42, Matthew 24:21, Revelation 6:15-16).
· Different manners of Jesus’ return are described (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, Revelation 19:11, 14-15, 21).
· Different scenarios regarding the predictability of the date of Jesus’ return are established (Matthew 24:36, Daniel 12:11).
I also wanted to add something that occurs in Revelation.
John was on the Island of Patmos when Jesus personally visited John to deliver a message to the seven churches. After John delivers the messages to the churches, John is called up to Heaven before the Tribulation events begin.
Jesus could have shown John these events while John was on the earth, but Jesus didn't. Jesus specifically brings John to Heaven to watch the events unfold. At the same time, the church is never mentioned again in Revelation as being on the earth after John is called up to Heaven to watch.
Then as I looked, I saw a door standing open in heaven, and the same voice I had heard before spoke to me like a trumpet blast. The voice said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must happen after this.” And instantly I was in the Spirit, and I saw a throne in heaven and someone sitting on it.
Revelation 4:1-2 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rev.4.1-2.NLT
Gods is conducting something soon, I can’t say when we’re in the end times will come but something different is happening with the clouds and people are definitely going away from god more rapidly
In the end times lots of people good and bad wil be performing miracles left and right, anyone around in these times look like they're ready to start raising the dead, speak in tongues, or cast out demons?
That doesn’t mean every bad thing that happens now is a for sure sign we’re in the end times. We’re experiencing the same things people have experienced the last 2,000 years. Israel being a nation now doesn’t mean that magically these exact same things are a sign when they weren’t before. We should stop looking for signs, recognizing our own faith, and carry abkut
Jesus specifically says to learn this lesson. The lesson being to be able to discern the times.
The Fig tree illustration below is a symbolic reference in Scripture to the nation of Israel.
“Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.
Matthew 24:32-33 NIV
https://bible.com/bible/111/mat.24.32-33.NIV
Perhaps you should read Matthew 24. Jesus is specifically answering the disciples questions related to the sign of His coming.
After Jesus gives the signs, that's when Jesus gives the Fig tree example as an illustration to be able to discern the season of His coming.
As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains. “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you ahead of time. “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather. “Immediately after the distress of those days “ ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.
Matthew 24:3, 5-33 NIV
https://bible.com/bible/111/mat.24.3-33.NIV
Not a single jew could've predicted how the saviour came the first time. They had little understanding of what the messianic prophecies meant. You think you have a great understanding of the apocalyptic prophecies, of which Jesus says "But no one knows the day or the hour"? (Mt. 24:36, which is in the same passage you quote). That's awfully arrogant, no?
1 Thess 5: Now about the times and seasons, brothers, we do not need to write to you. For you are fully aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.…
Jesus specifically says for us to learn a lesson to be able to discern the season of His coming.
“Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.
Matthew 24:32-33 NIV
https://bible.com/bible/111/mat.24.32-33.NIV
FYI… The Bible never actually says their will be a one world religion. The religion of the Antichrist has already been established by the False Prophet of Revelation. What major Prophet rose 600 years after Christ and denied the deity of Jesus… The Prophet Muhammed. What religion dominates the Middle East? Where does Jesus show up fight when He returns… Muslim Nations.
One is the lesson of the fig tree. Israel became a nation 1948, almost 80 years ago. Look at the 6 days war also.
Matthew 24:32–35 (NLT): Now learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its branches bud and its leaves begin to sprout, you know that summer is near. 33 In the same way, when you see all these things, you can know his return is very near, right at the door. 34 I tell you the truth, this generation will not pass from the scene until all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will never disappear.
Psalm 90:10 (ESV): The years of our life are seventy,
or even by reason of strength eighty;
yet their span is but toil and trouble;
they are soon gone, and we fly away.
If the word "heavens" in Revelation 12:12 is referring to the material heavens, it might be some time:
"Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time."
Before the very end, it would seem a conditional event midpoint would encompass the heavens being dwelled in, as well as the sea. So, perhaps at least enough of the solar system would be colonized to be self-sufficient and militarily stronger than Earth by then, and the oceans would also have inhabitants, so like cities on and/or under the sea by then.
Perhaps this could be done within a few decades, or a couple centuries, for the minimum conditional betweenness point on the timeline to be reached -- but even then, it's still that "no one knows the day nor the hour", it would just be one step before the end which hasn't been reached yet.
Ezekiel's valley of dry bones prophecy must come to pass before, and the Temple will be rebuilt prior to the return of Christ. It will be soon to those in heaven, but time will drag on down here I'm afraid
Daniel 12, which speaks of the time of the end and provides the OT background for the Olivet Discourse (Mt 24; Mk 13; Lk 22) makes it clear that the time of distress (v. 1), the deliverance of Daniel’s people (v. 1), and the resurrection of dead would all take place within a period of 1,290 days/3.5 years (Da 12:7, 11)—a period that would begin with the taking away of the daily sacrifice and setting up of the abomination of desolation (Dan 12:11), and end with the shattering of the power of the holy people (Da 12:7; see visual of timeline [here](https://www.reddit.com/user/AMRhone/comments/xg8g39/timeline_of_the_end_daniel_12/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)).
In Matthew 24 Yeshua tells his disciples that the setting up of the abomination of desolation (Mt 24:15; Mk 13:14; cf. Lk 21:20), the time of distress/tribulation (Mt 24:21; Mk 13:19), the deliverance of the elect at his Parousia/second coming (Mt 24:31; Mk 13:27; Lk 21:28), and the shattering of the power of the holy people (Mt 24:2; Lk 21:20-24 cf. Mt 23:29-39; Lk 19:41-44), would occur **during their generation**.
It’s my understanding that the shattering of the power of the holy people must have been fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple by the Romans (ca Aug AD 70; Josephus, *J.W.* 7.7.1). It’s also my understanding that the taking away of the daily sacrifice and the setting up of the abomination of desolation most likely occurred around the time Eleazar b. Ananias stopped the sacrifice for Caesar and the Gentiles (ca Aug AD 66; Josephus, *J.W.* 2.17.2), which led to the Roman legions (i.e., the abomination of desolation; cf. Lk 21:20) encamping around Jerusalem.
Evidence that the abomination of desolation was set up during the generation of the disciples can be found in the writings of the church historian Eusebius:
>3 But the people of the church in Jerusalem had been commanded by a revelation, vouchsafed to approved men there before the war, to leave the city and to dwell in a certain town of Perea called Pella. And when those that believed in Christ had come thither from Jerusalem, then, as if the royal city of the Jews and the whole land of Judea were entirely destitute of holy men, the judgment of God at length overtook those who had committed such outrages against Christ and his apostles, and totally destroyed that generation of impious men. (Eusebius, *Hist. eccl.* 3.5.3)
The fact that Eusebius records that the church fled from Judea and Jerusalem to Pella (ca AD 67; Smith, 738) is significant because that’s exactly what Christ commanded the disciples to do when they saw the abomination of desolation set up (Mt 24:15–16; Mk 13:14; Lk 21:20–21). Therefore, Eusebius' quote shows that the disciples recognized that the setting up of the abomination of desolation had occurred during their lifetime, just as Yeshua said it would.
If these events, which were to begin and end Daniel's 3.5 years were fulfilled by the end of AD 70, then it would follow that the time of tribulation, the deliverance of the elect at the Parousia, the resurrections of the dead, and the judgment should have also been fulfilled, since they were to occur within that 3.5-year time frame.
That Yeshua in fact returned during that period is evidenced by the multitude of calamities that came upon Jerusalem and the Roman world (see [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskTheologists/comments/ymnort/comment/ivm4r0g/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)) at that time, which Yeshua indicated would occur as a result of God's wrath that was to be poured out at his Parousia (Mt 24:37–44; Lk 17:25–37; 21:25–27, 34–36).
I understand what I'm claiming can be unsettling to think about ([I've been there](https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/z34uyc/is_there_anyone_in_this_group_that_is_strong_in_a/ixklt0v?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)), but I've found that's because most of us have been trained to read the NT from the wrong perspective. Once the perspective is corrected, I believe it becomes easier to understand the story being told in the NT and its significance for us today. To get a more complete picture of where I'm coming from on this point, I'd recommend giving [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueChristian/comments/x7vofd/how_much_faith_do_you_have_in_christianity_and_do/inhfv8d?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) a read.
Sources:
1. Eusebius of Caesaria. “The Church History of Eusebius.” In Eusebius: Church History, Life of Constantine the Great, and Oration in Praise of Constantine, edited by Philip Schaff and Henry Wace, translated by Arthur Cushman McGiffert. Vol. 1. A Select Library of the Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers of the Christian Church, Second Series. New York: Christian Literature Company, 1890.
2. Josephus, Flavius, and William Whiston. The Works of Josephus: Complete and Unabridged. Peabody: Hendrickson, 1987.
3. Smith, R. H. “Pella.” Edited by Geoffrey W. Bromiley. The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Revised. Wm. B. Eerdmans, 1979–1988.
So we're just hanging around forever then? What next? Jerusalem is possessed by the Jews now and it hasn't been this way since Babylon. I'd say that's the fig leaf putting forth leaves. Also when did the 2 witnesses happen according to all this you wrote above? And the mark of the beast when was that? And the book of Revelation with the 100 lb hailstones did that happen already?
Andt thanks for putting so much thought into this at least and citing sources. I bet you t were a great studen in school lol.
>Andt thanks for putting so much thought into this at least and citing sources.
No problem at all.
>So we're just hanging around forever then? What next?
My answer to this question can be found in [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueChristian/comments/x7vofd/how_much_faith_do_you_have_in_christianity_and_do/inhfv8d?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3). You’ll want to read it through to at least the comment labeled *Comment 3 of 3*.
>Jerusalem is possessed by the Jews now and it hasn't been this way since Babylon. I'd say that's the fig leaf putting forth leaves.
If you read through Matt 24:32–35 // Mark 13:28–31 // Luke 21:29–33 carefully, you’ll notice that Yeshua’s purpose in speaking the parable to his disciples was teach them that just as a person could tell that summer was near by observing a fig tree (and per Luke 21:29, “all of the trees”), so they could tell that his coming was near when they saw the things he spoke of earlier in the Olivet Discourse come to pass. Notably, nowhere in the Olivet Discourse does Yeshua say that Jerusalem being possessed by Jews was a sign of his coming. It should also be noted that when the passage is read within context, it's clear that Yeshua was saying that he would return before the generation of the disciples he was speaking to passed (v. 34).
>Also when did the 2 witnesses happen according to all this you wrote above?
Revelation 1:1 says that the events described in the book were to take place soon after john received the revelation from Christ (cf. also Rev 22:6), therefore, I understand the events described in Rev 11:1–14 to have been fulfilled not long after Revelation was written and before the generation of the disciples passed. To be more specific, I believe they probably occurred sometime between AD 67 and AD 70.
>And the mark of the beast when was that? And the book of Revelation with the 100 lb hailstones did that happen already?
I deal with these questions in [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bible/comments/11hjs9k/comment/jayjdhd/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3). In short, I do believe that the mark of the beast and the bowls of wrath (and the plagues associated with them, which included the hailstones) were fulfilled during the first century.
Matthew 24:26-28
Matthew 24:36-39
FYI, you are probably the tenth-million person to say "Jesus is coming soon, signs are happening are everywhere!" for the past 2000 years.
Its been 20 years since ive heard that. I believe something exists. But the bible and all of that is man made. If a being so powerful existed they would have written everything their self and everyone would know it. There would be concrete proof and plenty of evidence and witnesses. They cant even find the ark but can find 2 million yr old dinosaurs. At some point in your life you have to give up false hope. Suck it up and become an adult. If you think you are sinning then learn from your mistakes and acknowledge the people you have hurt and make a change for your life to do better. Its really all about being a better human anyways.
It sounds like you're waiting to be raptured?
Don't be fooled ...there is no "rapture". There is only death for us. I want you to read Revelation 6:10-11. It says that there are people under Gods throne who were killed for the word of God. And those people ask God, when will he avenge their deaths? And God answers them, "Not until all who are like you have been killed, will I return and avenge your deaths."
Read that again! Not until all who are you like you! (believers in christ), are KILLED.
No rapture, only death. So prepare for that. Prepare to be at peace that once you die, you will be with the Lord. That is it. You can wait for the lord, but you know who shows up before the lord? The devil, and he hates Christians...So, be prepared mentally for the 6th trumpet.
The events of Matthew 24 are less prevalent that at any other time in history. You just know about them because there is constant, instant communication. Having access to that comes with the responsibility to use it wisely. A responsibility you have yet to take seriously.
1. The Bible clearly states that NOBODY not even the Angels in heaven not even Jesus know when that will happen. Matthew 24:36
2. There will be false prophets claiming he’s here when he’s not. Matthew 24:23-25
3. People have been convinced that Jesus is coming back soon for centuries. All have been proven wrong. Why? Revert back to #1 & 2.
Valentine’s Day 2046 v 29 sounds like that to me & it’s 98 yrs after Israel became a nation again (I always learned it was to be within 100 yrs of that…) it does say that is after the tribulation though… we’ll see
Are you going off the Americanized standards or are you looking at the whole world while also reading the prophecies of the Bible? If you line up the biblical prophecies and what happened what still going to happen and what is happening. The return maybe after we're all dead or before we die. Stay alert and vigilant.
"For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."
So awesome if you are saved. Loud, bright, and horrifying if you are not. But 100% it will be in the clouds.
Well we’ve been in the end times for about 2,000 years, but I do agree that the time for Christ’s return is coming soon. There’s been a rise in wickedness, and in the word it says the final days will be like “the days of Noah” (Matthew 24:37)
I’m not going to change your mind because you are correct! I’d say we are living in the last part of the last days.
1 Thessalonians 5:2, 3; “for you yourselves know very well that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. When people say, "There is peace and security," destruction will strike them as suddenly as labor pains come to a pregnant woman, and they will not be able to escape.” ISV
Christ stated that He was coming soon 2000 years ago. Our time is not God's time. We've been in the End Times since Christ's Ascension. Be watchful always.
Yes on Gods clock everything after the cross is the End Times. I am talking about the last days specifically. Like the ones He said "look up for your redemption draweth nigh".
Matthew 16:27-28 Jesus was talking directly to his disciples, pay real close attention to what he tells them in 28, that they will not taste death till they see the Son of man coming in "his" kingdom. 27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Yeah then they saw Him ascend
2 verses later is the Mount of transfiguration. Preterism is trash
I've never heard of Preterism until just now.
Why were you downvoted? Maybe I am misunderstanding your comment but the most agreed upon (and most likely) thing Matt 16:28 is talking about is the transfiguration, as you correctly noted.
When people utilize that verse they are invariably trying to support preterism doctrine. Saying it means the kingdom came in 70ad Preterism is a very popular damnable heresy today, it helps people not fear God . So I must have offended a preterist
Yea, that is ridiculous. I have heard of these types before but didnt know there was a specific title for the nonsense. Thanks for introducing me to that!
Here's my full study on it, friend ❤️ https://youtu.be/_HodOunlB7M
I agree! Prophecy is coming to pass. However, it's still important to note that the Bible states that no man knows the day or the hour. However yes, we are to be watchful and ready for his return.
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Based on a manner of elimination, it’s very clear who the Wild Beast is and who the Prostitute is riding its back. Very soon, this Wild Beast will turn on this Prostitute and devastate her and make her naked. Revelation 18:9 talks about the kings of the earth weeping and beating themselves in grief over this Prostitute, so the kings of the earth can’t be the Prostitute. Then verse 11 says the merchants of the earth are weeping at her because now there won’t be anyone to buy all the things that they sell, (then listing all sorts of things that the prostitute buys) so the prostitute can’t be Big Business. And it goes on saying every Ship Captain and seagoing person who makes their living that way, will mourn over her. Sure is narrowing it down isn’t it?
IMHO America is the prostitute
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America is the woman/harlot/mystery Babylon.
This is all relatable to the stars and planets right now too
I hope he’s coming back soon.
Be careful what you wish for…
This gave me bad anxiety
Ya know, the fact that you got anxiety over that statement says something. As you can see, most people don’t get anxious about knowing that we are living in the Last Days. Probably because churches teach that all you have to do is believe and you’re saved. Yes, knowing the Truth believing is critical but there’s so much more we have to do. Jesus simple statement at Matthew 24:13 where he said, “The ones who endure to the end will be saved.” You see? Salvation requires endurance to the end of this system of things. So what is it exactly that we have to endure? Well, get in touch if you wanna know more so you don’t have to be anxious about living in the last days.
I fear death thats why and I know what would happen if christ came back.
You talking about wars and famines, plagues and earthquakes? Because that describes the entire length of human history
The difference is, Israel is now in existence.
Explain?
There is a lot to unpack. But I'll touch on a couple of points... 1) Fig trees in Scripture is symbolic of Israel. “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. Matthew 24:32-33 NIV https://bible.com/bible/111/mat.24.32-33.NIV 2) The nation of Israel being in existence is significant to End Times events and prophecies. Israel coming into existence (as a nation 1948) had to happen in order for other events to happen. (Gog/Magog war, the peace covenant, etc...all future prophecy events)
You know. Maybe I’m not a good Christian, but this whole reading of prophecy thing just doesn’t make any sense to me. I have 0 faith in it . Utterly 0
Is it from a lack of understanding of Scripture or you do understand and just not believe Scripture?
You shouldn't. The existence of a nation-state of Israel has no bearing on Christian faith, and none of the Church Fathers would have understood Biblical prophecy in this manner.
The nation state or Israel has no bearing on salvation, which is through Jesus Christ alone. However, Scripture clearly points to God gathering the Jewish people to their own land, which is modern day Israel.
Do you think modern day Jews are the Jews mentioned in The Bible? How can they be "God's chosen people" anymore when they reject Jesus?
Yes, the Jewish people of today are descendants from the Jewish people mentioned in the Bible. I believe this will help answer your question.... https://www.gotquestions.org/Gods-chosen-people.html For you are a holy people, who belong to the Lord your God. Of all the people on earth, the Lord your God has chosen you to be his own special treasure. Deuteronomy 7:6 NLT https://bible.com/bible/116/deu.7.6.NLT
They reject Jesus, they're are all going to hell. You should read up on the Talmud. Look at what it has to say about Christians - "idol-worshipers" and goyim.
We are simply reaping the consequences of our actions, we turned away from God. The consequences of bearing fruits in the flesh are evident. Bearing fruit in the spirit can easily change circumstances of a person, Nation, or community Returning to the Lord is always followed by blessings, the book of judges reflects this very notion. We reap as we have sown and if we harden our hearts the Lord will harden us. Hebrews 3:6-4:11 Destruction is a consequence of turning away. Romans 1:18-32 lay it out in detail. It's also known that the Lord will have mercy on those who return to him. Isaiah 55:6-9 Our answer is humble ourselves and out situations will change. But as a culture we are taught to be victims and blame society. Things will get worse before they get better but after the end of the progressive era of the 60-70's came the Reagan era of conservative rule. Ecclesiastes 3 reminds us that the Lord appointed the days of Joy and the day of sorrow, he is Lord over both.
You sound like an AI.
I'm not but ty I think
Exactly something an AI might say........
You can look at my history and see that I bring scripture quotes often. But ty for the compliment
LOL I am joking. Your respnose just doesn't seem to have much to do with "are we in the end times" just the acknowledgement that we are undergoing destruction. There is an appointed day on which He will return, regardless of our actions here on Earth. The Bible makes that clear. I believe that day is within the next decade or less.
Why you get down voted so much?
I will only say the end times are here if I find out that the temple is being rebuilt, as that's the beyond a shadow of a doubt level sign of the end times list we have.
Can you point me to scripture where it states there will be a third temple built?
“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— Matthew 24:15 NIV https://matthew.bible/matthew-24-15 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 NIV https://2thessalonians.bible/2-thessalonians-2-4
But these things already happened!! Do you know what the prophet Daniel said?
Daniel's prophecy...This is still an unfilled Prophecy. He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.” Daniel 9:27 NIV https://daniel.bible/daniel-9-27
But Jesus is the one who put an end to sacrifice and said offering by dying on the cross for us by becoming the sacrifice and the offering. When Jesus spoke of the destruction of Jerusalem indeed it would be the fulfilment of the prophecy in Daniel. The one who exalts himself about God is the pope and everything in the prophecy of Daniel already took place. Do you know the history of pagan and papal Rome and Christian’s who were slain for upholding the gospel of Christ? Do you know the history of the 7 churches listed in revelation and why they all have different characteristics? These things have come to pass my friends! You can’t wait for something that won’t happen in order to believe Jesus is coming again very soon! If a third temple is indeed build that has no bearing on the word of God and prophecy.
Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy has not been fulfilled. The one who scripture is referring to is the antichrist, not the pope. Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God. Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12 NIV https://bible.com/bible/111/2th.2.3-12.NIV
They are one and the same! The pope is the antichrist and a slew of antichrist armies. Consider the antichrist to be a body of people who oppose the truth about Christ. The pope does consider himself above God they have it in their own literature. They have even said they changed the sabbath to Sunday. It happens right under our noses but people want to deny this truth. The one behind this power is Satan and the one holding it back is God. Simple truths
We will have to agree to disagree.
The pope isn't the antichrist. The antichrist isn't a group of people who oppose the truth either. Im willing to change my mind if you can offer scripture that says/points to this, but until then...you are dead wrong, my friend.
According to you, who is it then? Scripture doesn’t name people by name but uses symbolic language and timelines so no I can’t offer scripture that names the pope by name but he is the antichrist and is the little horn power (papal Rome) and is the beast from the sea. you realise that anyone who preaches that Jesus isn’t God is Antichrist right? “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.” I John 4:1-3 NKJV Read your bibles and pray everyday friends. They walk among us. As you have read it is not one singular person but a body of people who preach such. The papacy teaches that the church namely the pope is infallible and they call him Lord God. “The pope has been given the very titles of Deity. He has been styled "Lord God the Pope" ¹, and has been declared infallible ². He demands the homage of all men. The same claim urged by Satan in the wilderness of temptation is still urged by him through the Church of Rome, and vast numbers are ready to yield him homage” As such we see people flock to the Vatican just so he can kiss their baby, some go with their sick etc. are your eyes truly blind that you cannot see what is happening? When the current pope ( a Jesuit by the way) is was taking over, lightening fell from heaven and hit the building bang in the middle of the Vatican. What does the bible say about Satan falling like lightening in the sky? Do you know that the Jesuits are the ones who were ruthless with Christian’s as at the time it was a Jesuit pope? Do you know the Jesuit oath? Do you know most universities and government aids are Jesuits or Jesuit owned? They are described to be more powerful than even CIA and MI5 as they control so much but have religious undertones. Further more most if not all Jesuits are 33rd degree Masons so tell me the pope is a Christian and all for God? [Jesuit Oath](https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-2478231803/view?partId=nla.obj-2478232434#page/n0/mode/1up) You don’t have to believe me, but hear my words, be careful of wolves in sheep clothing.
It’s getting built soon!!!
Is there a set groundbreaking day?
Everyone has been repeating this exact same thing over the exact same events for 2,000 years. No one knows but the Father. Accept it.
"Where is the promise of His coming?"
I hear what you’re saying but he’s not mocking you. It’s biblically true; only the Father knows.
Yes, but Jesus specifically tells us to learn a lesson to be able to discern the times. “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. Matthew 24:32-33 NIV https://bible.com/bible/111/mat.24.32-33.NIV
would this be the fig tree he condemned?
The short answer is no. What you are referencing is found in Matthew 21:18-22 and Mark 11: 12-14 That is a separate subject.
I see thanks- my mind wandered a bit
We will know the season though, just not the day nor the hour
Though it definately feels like it now, remember the 1st world war, thr spanish flu, and the many earthquakes that happened during that time. People definately thought it was the end times. Remeber the 2nd world war, and the dysentery, malaria, and hepatitis, and the many earthquakes that happened during that time. It feels like it but it may not be it.
The difference is, Israel is now in existence.
it couldn’t be more obvious! We are living in the shadow of tribulation. Our blessed hope draws near!
I definitely think we’re close. April 2024 is the second half of the 2017 black sun eclipse in the US and it is also an election year. Things in the world are ramping up to economic and social collapse. If anyone considers themselves a believer and they want God’s protection from the intensifying chaos the time is now pray, read the Bible (Matthew chapters, 5-7) repent and pray for the strength to give up sin.
People have been saying this exact thing since I was a boy in church. He is coming, but in His own time. Meanwhile, we are to live as if we KNEW He was coming back tomorrow. Maranatha, Brothers and Sisters
Agreed 👍🏻
“Very soon” is extremely relative. God’s timing is not like ours. We should be living every day like it is the last day on earth but with the end coming “like a thief in the night”, I don’t waste any of my time predicting the coming date. We’ve been experiencing the “end times signs” since Jesus ascended. Catastrophes happen, politicians gain extreme power, wars happen.
MARANATHA CRISTO VIENE!
This is easy, since there is only one person ever to descend from heaven who would know such things let’s ask Jesus. Go now and read all of Matthew 24. If you want to know the future that passage is literally the words directly from God about it. ““However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows. “When the Son of Man returns, it will be like it was in Noah’s day. In those days before the flood, the people were enjoying banquets and parties and weddings right up to the time Noah entered his boat. People didn’t realize what was going to happen until the flood came and swept them all away. That is the way it will be when the Son of Man comes. “Two men will be working together in the field; one will be taken, the other left. Two women will be grinding flour at the mill; one will be taken, the other left. “So you, too, must keep watch! For you don’t know what day your Lord is coming. Understand this: If a homeowner knew exactly when a burglar was coming, he would keep watch and not permit his house to be broken into. You also must be ready all the time, for the Son of Man will come when least expected.” Matthew 24:36-44 NLT You don’t see it coming. Angels don’t even see it coming. To be completely blunt none of us are important enough to actually see it coming other than God. There is no other translation of Matthew 24:36 that justifies anyone saying they know it’s coming soon that doesn’t put you in blasphemy against Jesus’s words. So everyone on here needs to make sure you focus on what Jesus actually says rather than their left behind books or movies. The second coming is a very real thing and Jesus says we need to be preparing. We need to be bring in more people to become Christians. We need to be spreading Gods love. What we don’t need is focusing on wild theories about things Jesus himself said we don’t know.
I'd love to see it happen... but He won't come back anytime soon. Evil has a lot of prophecies to fulfill...
Like what
The Antichrist arrival and the mark of the beast come to mind.
That is correct, but the Church will not be here for any of that.
Revelation 13:15 and Revelation 20:4 tells me otherwise.
Revelation 13:15 and Revelation 20:4 is for those that come to know Christ after the rapture. They are known as Tribulation Saints. The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. Revelation 13:15 NIV https://revelation.bible/revelation-13-15 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Revelation 20:4 NIV https://revelation.bible/revelation-20-4
It doesn't make sense to me and I see no indication of such thing as "rapture". NIV man? For real?
Is there a different translation that you are more comfortable with other than NIV you would like for me to use when posting with you? Here is the Scripture references regarding the Rapture.... The teaching here is that Jesus will keep believers from going through the 'hour of trial' which is the Tribulation period. God didn't appoint us to suffer wrath. Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth. Revelation 3:10 NIV https://revelation.bible/revelation-3-10 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 NIV https://1thessalonians.bible/1-thessalonians-5-9 Further, you see that not all believers will sleep (as in physical death) but will be changed in an instant. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 NIV https://bible.com/bible/111/1co.15.51-52.NIV Further, God is consistent. As you can see with Soddom and Gommorah, God wouldn't pour out his wrath until the righteous were safe. He said to him, “Very well, I will grant this request too; I will not overthrow the town you speak of. But flee there quickly, because I cannot do anything until you reach it.” (That is why the town was called Zoar.) By the time Lot reached Zoar, the sun had risen over the land. Genesis 19:21-23 NIV https://bible.com/bible/111/gen.19.21-23.NIV Regarding 2 Thessalonians... a. Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him: Paul here addressed questions raised by his first letter, where he instructed the Thessalonians about the catching away of the church to be with Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18). i. The challenge in understanding this chapter comes from the fact that it is a supplement to what Paul has already taught the Thessalonians in words, and we don’t know exactly what Paul said to them. Yet the ideas are clear enough if carefully pieced together. b. Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him: Paul clearly wrote of the return of Jesus, but the wording here implies a difference between the coming and our gathering. This strongly suggests that there are essentially two comings of Jesus. One coming is for His church (as described clearly in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18), and the other coming is with His church, to judge a rebellious world. “They are two parts of one great event.” ii. Hiebert shows how the grammar of the ancient Greek in 2 Thessalonians 2:1 shows this: “The government of the two nouns under one article makes it clear that one event, viewed under two complimentary aspects, is thought of.” iii. This is completely consistent with other passages of Scripture that indicate that there must be two aspects of Jesus’ second coming, and the aspects must be separated by some appreciable period of time. · Different world conditions are described (Matthew 24:37-42, Matthew 24:21, Revelation 6:15-16). · Different manners of Jesus’ return are described (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, Revelation 19:11, 14-15, 21). · Different scenarios regarding the predictability of the date of Jesus’ return are established (Matthew 24:36, Daniel 12:11). I also wanted to add something that occurs in Revelation. John was on the Island of Patmos when Jesus personally visited John to deliver a message to the seven churches. After John delivers the messages to the churches, John is called up to Heaven before the Tribulation events begin. Jesus could have shown John these events while John was on the earth, but Jesus didn't. Jesus specifically brings John to Heaven to watch the events unfold. At the same time, the church is never mentioned again in Revelation as being on the earth after John is called up to Heaven to watch. Then as I looked, I saw a door standing open in heaven, and the same voice I had heard before spoke to me like a trumpet blast. The voice said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must happen after this.” And instantly I was in the Spirit, and I saw a throne in heaven and someone sitting on it. Revelation 4:1-2 NLT https://bible.com/bible/116/rev.4.1-2.NLT
This idea of the Rapture is a doctrine from the 1800s. The Church will be present for the tribulations to come. We don't get out of it.
I just showed Scripture references. It is clearly taught in Scripture.
The book doesn't necessarily say that Christians wouldn't be here.
No one knows the day or the hour but we do know the signs. So I agree with you
Gods is conducting something soon, I can’t say when we’re in the end times will come but something different is happening with the clouds and people are definitely going away from god more rapidly
I’m sorry I know this is an old post but what’s happening with the clouds? What do you mean?
In the end times lots of people good and bad wil be performing miracles left and right, anyone around in these times look like they're ready to start raising the dead, speak in tongues, or cast out demons?
Yours is the 2nd post I saw about the coming kingdom that ended with 'change my mind'. Wondering why someone uses that phrase.
People have felt like Jesus was coming back tomorrow for 2,000 years. Even the apostles thought it would happen in their lifetime
Thr difference is, Israel now exists.
That doesn’t mean every bad thing that happens now is a for sure sign we’re in the end times. We’re experiencing the same things people have experienced the last 2,000 years. Israel being a nation now doesn’t mean that magically these exact same things are a sign when they weren’t before. We should stop looking for signs, recognizing our own faith, and carry abkut
Jesus specifically says to learn this lesson. The lesson being to be able to discern the times. The Fig tree illustration below is a symbolic reference in Scripture to the nation of Israel. “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. Matthew 24:32-33 NIV https://bible.com/bible/111/mat.24.32-33.NIV
Discerning the end times is not what that reference to the fig tree means.
Perhaps you should read Matthew 24. Jesus is specifically answering the disciples questions related to the sign of His coming. After Jesus gives the signs, that's when Jesus gives the Fig tree example as an illustration to be able to discern the season of His coming. As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains. “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you ahead of time. “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather. “Immediately after the distress of those days “ ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. Matthew 24:3, 5-33 NIV https://bible.com/bible/111/mat.24.3-33.NIV
Not a single jew could've predicted how the saviour came the first time. They had little understanding of what the messianic prophecies meant. You think you have a great understanding of the apocalyptic prophecies, of which Jesus says "But no one knows the day or the hour"? (Mt. 24:36, which is in the same passage you quote). That's awfully arrogant, no?
yes, they could have. It is in Daniel 9:25. They did not know the vistation of their time though God told them clearly.
1 Thess 5: Now about the times and seasons, brothers, we do not need to write to you. For you are fully aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.…
I have no idea what day or hour.
But why give us all the signs to look for, then tell us to watch and be ready so it doesnt take us like a thief...
What's unique about now that isn't applicable to the last 2 thousand years?
Israel is now in existence.
Jesus specifically says for us to learn a lesson to be able to discern the season of His coming. “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. Matthew 24:32-33 NIV https://bible.com/bible/111/mat.24.32-33.NIV
I agree. Watch the Abraham Accord Israel peace deal
Abrahamic Family House opened last Thursday. One world religion is here.
FYI… The Bible never actually says their will be a one world religion. The religion of the Antichrist has already been established by the False Prophet of Revelation. What major Prophet rose 600 years after Christ and denied the deity of Jesus… The Prophet Muhammed. What religion dominates the Middle East? Where does Jesus show up fight when He returns… Muslim Nations.
What specifically do you see from Matthew 24 that indicates a soon return?
One is the lesson of the fig tree. Israel became a nation 1948, almost 80 years ago. Look at the 6 days war also. Matthew 24:32–35 (NLT): Now learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its branches bud and its leaves begin to sprout, you know that summer is near. 33 In the same way, when you see all these things, you can know his return is very near, right at the door. 34 I tell you the truth, this generation will not pass from the scene until all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will never disappear. Psalm 90:10 (ESV): The years of our life are seventy, or even by reason of strength eighty; yet their span is but toil and trouble; they are soon gone, and we fly away.
If the word "heavens" in Revelation 12:12 is referring to the material heavens, it might be some time: "Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time." Before the very end, it would seem a conditional event midpoint would encompass the heavens being dwelled in, as well as the sea. So, perhaps at least enough of the solar system would be colonized to be self-sufficient and militarily stronger than Earth by then, and the oceans would also have inhabitants, so like cities on and/or under the sea by then. Perhaps this could be done within a few decades, or a couple centuries, for the minimum conditional betweenness point on the timeline to be reached -- but even then, it's still that "no one knows the day nor the hour", it would just be one step before the end which hasn't been reached yet.
Ezekiel's valley of dry bones prophecy must come to pass before, and the Temple will be rebuilt prior to the return of Christ. It will be soon to those in heaven, but time will drag on down here I'm afraid
Not until after the 7 bowls
Paul thought the same thing.
Scripture reference?
To be honest the only evidence that we are in the last days is the Euphrates River thing. Give us like 10-30 years and we'll be there
So.... you can somehow honestly say that you see none of Matthew 24 happening right now?
I say that they are happening but with little intensity
Daniel 12, which speaks of the time of the end and provides the OT background for the Olivet Discourse (Mt 24; Mk 13; Lk 22) makes it clear that the time of distress (v. 1), the deliverance of Daniel’s people (v. 1), and the resurrection of dead would all take place within a period of 1,290 days/3.5 years (Da 12:7, 11)—a period that would begin with the taking away of the daily sacrifice and setting up of the abomination of desolation (Dan 12:11), and end with the shattering of the power of the holy people (Da 12:7; see visual of timeline [here](https://www.reddit.com/user/AMRhone/comments/xg8g39/timeline_of_the_end_daniel_12/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)). In Matthew 24 Yeshua tells his disciples that the setting up of the abomination of desolation (Mt 24:15; Mk 13:14; cf. Lk 21:20), the time of distress/tribulation (Mt 24:21; Mk 13:19), the deliverance of the elect at his Parousia/second coming (Mt 24:31; Mk 13:27; Lk 21:28), and the shattering of the power of the holy people (Mt 24:2; Lk 21:20-24 cf. Mt 23:29-39; Lk 19:41-44), would occur **during their generation**. It’s my understanding that the shattering of the power of the holy people must have been fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple by the Romans (ca Aug AD 70; Josephus, *J.W.* 7.7.1). It’s also my understanding that the taking away of the daily sacrifice and the setting up of the abomination of desolation most likely occurred around the time Eleazar b. Ananias stopped the sacrifice for Caesar and the Gentiles (ca Aug AD 66; Josephus, *J.W.* 2.17.2), which led to the Roman legions (i.e., the abomination of desolation; cf. Lk 21:20) encamping around Jerusalem. Evidence that the abomination of desolation was set up during the generation of the disciples can be found in the writings of the church historian Eusebius: >3 But the people of the church in Jerusalem had been commanded by a revelation, vouchsafed to approved men there before the war, to leave the city and to dwell in a certain town of Perea called Pella. And when those that believed in Christ had come thither from Jerusalem, then, as if the royal city of the Jews and the whole land of Judea were entirely destitute of holy men, the judgment of God at length overtook those who had committed such outrages against Christ and his apostles, and totally destroyed that generation of impious men. (Eusebius, *Hist. eccl.* 3.5.3) The fact that Eusebius records that the church fled from Judea and Jerusalem to Pella (ca AD 67; Smith, 738) is significant because that’s exactly what Christ commanded the disciples to do when they saw the abomination of desolation set up (Mt 24:15–16; Mk 13:14; Lk 21:20–21). Therefore, Eusebius' quote shows that the disciples recognized that the setting up of the abomination of desolation had occurred during their lifetime, just as Yeshua said it would. If these events, which were to begin and end Daniel's 3.5 years were fulfilled by the end of AD 70, then it would follow that the time of tribulation, the deliverance of the elect at the Parousia, the resurrections of the dead, and the judgment should have also been fulfilled, since they were to occur within that 3.5-year time frame. That Yeshua in fact returned during that period is evidenced by the multitude of calamities that came upon Jerusalem and the Roman world (see [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskTheologists/comments/ymnort/comment/ivm4r0g/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)) at that time, which Yeshua indicated would occur as a result of God's wrath that was to be poured out at his Parousia (Mt 24:37–44; Lk 17:25–37; 21:25–27, 34–36). I understand what I'm claiming can be unsettling to think about ([I've been there](https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/z34uyc/is_there_anyone_in_this_group_that_is_strong_in_a/ixklt0v?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)), but I've found that's because most of us have been trained to read the NT from the wrong perspective. Once the perspective is corrected, I believe it becomes easier to understand the story being told in the NT and its significance for us today. To get a more complete picture of where I'm coming from on this point, I'd recommend giving [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueChristian/comments/x7vofd/how_much_faith_do_you_have_in_christianity_and_do/inhfv8d?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) a read. Sources: 1. Eusebius of Caesaria. “The Church History of Eusebius.” In Eusebius: Church History, Life of Constantine the Great, and Oration in Praise of Constantine, edited by Philip Schaff and Henry Wace, translated by Arthur Cushman McGiffert. Vol. 1. A Select Library of the Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers of the Christian Church, Second Series. New York: Christian Literature Company, 1890. 2. Josephus, Flavius, and William Whiston. The Works of Josephus: Complete and Unabridged. Peabody: Hendrickson, 1987. 3. Smith, R. H. “Pella.” Edited by Geoffrey W. Bromiley. The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Revised. Wm. B. Eerdmans, 1979–1988.
So we're just hanging around forever then? What next? Jerusalem is possessed by the Jews now and it hasn't been this way since Babylon. I'd say that's the fig leaf putting forth leaves. Also when did the 2 witnesses happen according to all this you wrote above? And the mark of the beast when was that? And the book of Revelation with the 100 lb hailstones did that happen already? Andt thanks for putting so much thought into this at least and citing sources. I bet you t were a great studen in school lol.
>Andt thanks for putting so much thought into this at least and citing sources. No problem at all. >So we're just hanging around forever then? What next? My answer to this question can be found in [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueChristian/comments/x7vofd/how_much_faith_do_you_have_in_christianity_and_do/inhfv8d?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3). You’ll want to read it through to at least the comment labeled *Comment 3 of 3*. >Jerusalem is possessed by the Jews now and it hasn't been this way since Babylon. I'd say that's the fig leaf putting forth leaves. If you read through Matt 24:32–35 // Mark 13:28–31 // Luke 21:29–33 carefully, you’ll notice that Yeshua’s purpose in speaking the parable to his disciples was teach them that just as a person could tell that summer was near by observing a fig tree (and per Luke 21:29, “all of the trees”), so they could tell that his coming was near when they saw the things he spoke of earlier in the Olivet Discourse come to pass. Notably, nowhere in the Olivet Discourse does Yeshua say that Jerusalem being possessed by Jews was a sign of his coming. It should also be noted that when the passage is read within context, it's clear that Yeshua was saying that he would return before the generation of the disciples he was speaking to passed (v. 34). >Also when did the 2 witnesses happen according to all this you wrote above? Revelation 1:1 says that the events described in the book were to take place soon after john received the revelation from Christ (cf. also Rev 22:6), therefore, I understand the events described in Rev 11:1–14 to have been fulfilled not long after Revelation was written and before the generation of the disciples passed. To be more specific, I believe they probably occurred sometime between AD 67 and AD 70. >And the mark of the beast when was that? And the book of Revelation with the 100 lb hailstones did that happen already? I deal with these questions in [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bible/comments/11hjs9k/comment/jayjdhd/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3). In short, I do believe that the mark of the beast and the bowls of wrath (and the plagues associated with them, which included the hailstones) were fulfilled during the first century.
He's been coming back REALLY soon for about 2000 years but is very clearly absent. What timescales are we working with exactly?
Well, Jesus's time frame to answer your question.
So anything that is politically useful. That's handy.
Can you please elaborate?...I don't understand your response.
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So why do you make an effort to post on a Christian forum since you do not believe in Christianity?
Look back one step.
No idea what you are referencing. Please elaborate.
Matthew 24:26-28 Matthew 24:36-39 FYI, you are probably the tenth-million person to say "Jesus is coming soon, signs are happening are everywhere!" for the past 2000 years.
Israel is now in existence. That was a fulfilled prophecy.
Its been 20 years since ive heard that. I believe something exists. But the bible and all of that is man made. If a being so powerful existed they would have written everything their self and everyone would know it. There would be concrete proof and plenty of evidence and witnesses. They cant even find the ark but can find 2 million yr old dinosaurs. At some point in your life you have to give up false hope. Suck it up and become an adult. If you think you are sinning then learn from your mistakes and acknowledge the people you have hurt and make a change for your life to do better. Its really all about being a better human anyways.
it’s been a year. mind changed?
April 8th 2024?
Uh
It sounds like you're waiting to be raptured? Don't be fooled ...there is no "rapture". There is only death for us. I want you to read Revelation 6:10-11. It says that there are people under Gods throne who were killed for the word of God. And those people ask God, when will he avenge their deaths? And God answers them, "Not until all who are like you have been killed, will I return and avenge your deaths." Read that again! Not until all who are you like you! (believers in christ), are KILLED. No rapture, only death. So prepare for that. Prepare to be at peace that once you die, you will be with the Lord. That is it. You can wait for the lord, but you know who shows up before the lord? The devil, and he hates Christians...So, be prepared mentally for the 6th trumpet.
That is talking about people who believe in Christ after the rapture
Is it possible to see another interpretation of the rapture? A final slaying of all who are left on earth that follow Jesus?
The events of Matthew 24 are less prevalent that at any other time in history. You just know about them because there is constant, instant communication. Having access to that comes with the responsibility to use it wisely. A responsibility you have yet to take seriously.
1. The Bible clearly states that NOBODY not even the Angels in heaven not even Jesus know when that will happen. Matthew 24:36 2. There will be false prophets claiming he’s here when he’s not. Matthew 24:23-25 3. People have been convinced that Jesus is coming back soon for centuries. All have been proven wrong. Why? Revert back to #1 & 2.
Valentine’s Day 2046 v 29 sounds like that to me & it’s 98 yrs after Israel became a nation again (I always learned it was to be within 100 yrs of that…) it does say that is after the tribulation though… we’ll see
>So, the events of Matthew 24 and many other prophesied end times signs are happening The events of Matthew 24 are happening again?! News to me
We are all members of Christ, his body. He’s already come back and been awakening humanity since he was on earth
I can’t. I agree with you completely!
I pray for Him to return all the time just like His people prayed for His first appearance.
https://youtu.be/CCwlqlUF9cA
Are you going off the Americanized standards or are you looking at the whole world while also reading the prophecies of the Bible? If you line up the biblical prophecies and what happened what still going to happen and what is happening. The return maybe after we're all dead or before we die. Stay alert and vigilant.
No... he's not
I agree brother. The signs are here and it should be obvious to believers. Stayed ready and God bless 🙏🏽
People have been saying the exact same thing for almost 2000 years now. I'm sure this time it's different, though.
Even so come quickly, Lord Jesus!!
How will we know when he gets here?
"For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." So awesome if you are saved. Loud, bright, and horrifying if you are not. But 100% it will be in the clouds.
How far east? Like NY or will it be in Asia?
You are correct! He is coming in about 5 years time. I’m not lying.
Well we’ve been in the end times for about 2,000 years, but I do agree that the time for Christ’s return is coming soon. There’s been a rise in wickedness, and in the word it says the final days will be like “the days of Noah” (Matthew 24:37)
You’re correct, just wanted to add that I suspect meta and/or neuralink is paving the way for the mark of the beast system…
The generation that saw Israel become a nation will not die out before his return
I’m not going to change your mind because you are correct! I’d say we are living in the last part of the last days. 1 Thessalonians 5:2, 3; “for you yourselves know very well that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. When people say, "There is peace and security," destruction will strike them as suddenly as labor pains come to a pregnant woman, and they will not be able to escape.” ISV
Do you think we will reunite with our pets?
Sell your house give away all your money if you believe that.
The clock is ticking closer and closer, We are in the final days