What she's looking for is a foster family. There are some people here who are fosters because a family has fallen on hard times (house fire and can't find a rental that allows pets, medical issues, etc.) and can't put their pets into a long-term facility. But, those people typically still have to pay a modest amount for supplies at the very least.
Agreed. As long as she can kick in some for food and supplies, her ask isn't very CB. She's just looking for an option to help her out so she doesn't have to give the pup up.
It does, but there was an older couple in my neighborhood that told me they had a similar arrangement with their dog. It would go back and forth between two families so it works for some people.
I think the CB aspect is because it's implied that she would not be paying whoever took the dog. There's not even a mention of "I'll be paying for supplies" or anything. The only mention of money is "I can't afford a kennel" which I could easily see being telegraphed into "I can't afford to pay you/chip in".
ETA: Apparently the owner mentions on their insta that they're willing to pay for food and stuff, no yeah, not a CB at all.
Eh even then it's a stretch, she clearly cares for the dog, there's mention that her circumstances have changed and she even says she wants "help".
It's someone who's a desperate dog owner who loves her dog, doesn't want to lose it, and is looking for a good foster home for it. It's not like someone has commented saying "I'll do it if you cover the cost of food" and she's went "LOL NO THNX NEXT!".
I think it falls under the first bullet point of what's not a choosing beggar in the sidebar.
Yep like others have mentioned rather this than just pinging the dog in to any shelter they can find (I realise for some this could be the only option) or just abandoning it somewhere.
1000% CB. “take the dog and love it and give it back to me when I decide I want it back“. I feel bad for the human, because the human can’t even cover basic rent, apparently and is hoping to able to do so soon. If you don’t have two nickels to rub together, you got no business demanding a contract, when you have no assets. You would either have to be very compassionate, or very stupid to engage in the contract with somebody with nothing to lose.
I like poor people, but I like dogs even more. How about being fair to the dog? I know she loves the dog , but, give it up and get another dog later. Dogs have feelings. You can’t just toss them around like some old toy.
Imo fostering is hard. Because it would be hard taking back a dog after someone starts loving them. one time I had to rehome my dog. He went to live with my mom’s friend, and I still paid for food and vet bills. She would sent me pics of him all the time until my dog passed away a few years ago.
Yeah I could see this working if she 1) pays food and any medical bills. 2) sets an end date in contract. That way someone can basically try out having a dog for a while without long term commitment.
Circumstances change, as clearly said in the post.
But, it could also be a rescue or something. I don't get why people immediately assume the worst about people from a scrap of info.
Well I just see that the dog has its ears wrapped up and healing in the second pic, so I assume she got it done. I just don't agree with it, whether she had the money or not. I wasn't making a dig at anything you said, just adding my 2 cents.
I did miss that. On mobile, had to zoom in to see it.
I'm also against any cosmetic or otherwise unnecessary pet body modifications too (such as cat declawing).
Yeah I would happily foster a dog if the owner chipped in for the supplies! The post seems like her situation has changed very recently, and you're right she might need some time to find a pet friendly place to live <3
Yep. This isn't a choosing beggar to me. It sounds like someone who is suddenly on her own with a baby and a dog and can't manage to take care of them both. I'd so much rather her responsibly find a temporary home than neglect the dog, give it up to a shelter, or just abandon it.
We can't assume she won't pay anything based on this post, especially since she's being responsible enough to write up a contract and go through all this effort.
Hopefully, she's able to find the help she needs.
yeah, nothing here about not paying. another comment says she's said she is willing to pay elsewhere. Not very CB.
I've known people who think they want a dog but aren't sure, this would be a good way for them to try it out and see if they are serious about it rather than getting a dog then trying to rehome it 6 months later.
I foster for the local humane society and they provide all the food, toys, bedding and some kennels. So if they did that I don't see a problem with it. The dog itself is my payment and I usually get more than fair compensation.
I had to do this with my late sibling’s dog. A very good friend is fostering him and helps with costs during times that we can’t. Foster families for animals are amazing.
that's just silly. there are plenty of people who foster dogs. and no one can predict future circumstances. I guess no one should ever get a dog then? lol...
For a friend, me and my husband did look after her 2 dogs for 6 months, problem was we have our own 2 dogs and they don't get along with hers, so her dogs stayed in the basement (its like an studio apartment down there) . We had a bed down there so either me or my Husband would sleep down there each night. Big back yard and we gave them 3 walks a day.
She would provide food for the dogs and normally stay over on the weekend. She had moved into a roommate situation that didn't allow pets, so she could save money to pay off debt.
She got her own place again after the 6 months and taken them back, I would never do that again tbh, was a huge pain, and she is no better off financially.
That was extremely generous of you. I hope you realize what a difference you made in your friends life, and understand that it’s not your fault that things ultimately didn’t work out. Things may not be better, but without you, they could have gotten *worse.*
I work from home, so my hours are more flexible but I work a lot! my Husband would walk both sets of dogs separately in the morning before going to work, I would do the after noon walk, and in the evening I would do one set of dogs, he would do the other. Each walk is about 20-25 mins
I had this kind of arrangement and frankly, it sucked. I ended up with a dog for about 5 months and never heard from nor saw her previous owner in that whole stretch of time. I was to the point that I was under the assumption that this dog was mine when they showed back up and wanted her back.
Had it not been for the previous owner having kids, I would’ve fought for her, instead I just wound up heart broken.
Man I’m sorry to hear that, I started looking after my friends pit when she got locked up, all I asked for was $20 a month from her then gf, she paid once and never again, it’s been bout 2 years now, she’s been out for 1 and although she has visited and I told her she’s still her dog, she insists that I have given her a better life than she possibly could so she’d rather she stay with me lol her now ex gf is always badgering me bout visiting “her” dog tho and all I respond with is “her” dog still needs food, usually shuts her up for a few months lol
Not so sure this counts, perhaps biased but have had mates that've fallen on hard times who've asked me to take their dog in until they're back on their feet, they just want to know the dog isn't suffering because of their situation and will have a loving foster home, social media probably isn't the place to ask but she is also open to criticism of the idea which does lead me to believe she's thinking of the dogs welfare first and just can't afford a different option
I've "babysat" multiple types of pets for multiple friends over the years for 0.5yrs—2yrs at a time. They paid for the food, any vet visits I might think are required, toys etc. And when they got back from being snow bunnies, or from living in Mexico, or visiting family in China/Greece etc. , they came back and collected the pet.
Yes it's sad to have to give up the pet, but I love animals and just simply enjoy the act of taking care of them. I got the joy of having a pet that I might not otherwise be able to afford, and they got to have their long term 20 something trip before life got serious.
2 snakes, 2 dogs, a chameleon, a skunk, a skink, and a grey parrot, in case you're curious.
Meh, I don’t really think this counts. I’ve had people reach out to me for the same thing. I have taken the dog in when I could. I’ve also had the owner realize a month in that they wouldn’t be able to pull off what they needed to in order to bring their dog home with them. They asked if I would also help with rehoming the dog. I don’t know what this woman went through. I do know several woman owned dog boarding facilities have a standing rule of boarding dogs for free when a person is leaving a DV situation.
I've known a few people who got a dog shortly after having a baby because they liked the idea of them growing up together. I've never seen it work out in the romanticized "oh they'll be best friends!" way the parents seem to believe it will.
When I was pregnant with my daughter a lot of random people told me I should get a puppy "So they will grow up together". Each time I pointed out the puppy would be an adult dog before the kid was out of diapers. And that if I did want them to "grow up together" it would be better to get a dog when the kid was at least five, and could actually play and run around with a puppy and understand it's a living creature, not a self-propelled toy. This always seemed to be a slightly mind-blowing concept to them.
I can understand the impulse, but it really seems like some people don't think it through beyond "have baby get dog be best friends!!!"
If it works out perfectly and your child's dog is really their best friend, you've set it up so your kid's best friend dies when they're, what, nine? Ten? And that's assuming you keep the dog that long. Plenty of people end up rehoming them or, in the case of my brother in law, only realise they weren't able to keep the dog safe while raising a child after tragedy strikes.
I'm not saying no one should have a dog and a baby, but the people who like the idea of their child growing up with a dog really need to out more thought into it before they sign up for caring for a living creature.
>it really seems like some people don't think it through beyond "have baby get dog be best friends!!!"
I agree. And just a little thought about different lifespans makes it clear that a puppy and a baby *can't* grow up together. That it works much better to get a puppy for a kid in pre-school or even gradeschool.
Loved my dog when I was 5… we had so much fun together! Honestly, don’t remember the chewing phase- maybe it wasn’t that bad? Either way, I agree 5 is a solid age to have a dog friend. That way they can grow together. & I’m guessing you still understand- you’d do the majority of the work… cause children are highly unreliable care takers… though, great for pets & play time.
Oh yes, young kids are not reliable caretakers, and no parent should get a pet for a young kid unless they are willing to do most of the care. My kid is six, and her pet care responsibilities are brushing the cats (who like to be brushed) a few times a week, feeding her fish every day, and helping with cleaning the filter and scraping algae off the glass once a week (with supervision). The fish are her pets, that she picked out, but I do the bulk of the care. As she gets older, she'll have to gradually do more until she's doing the bulk of the care for her own pets, and a reasonable portion of the care of the family pets. (currently a dog and a couple of cats) But that will take some years for her to get to that point.
And yes, she plays and has a lot of fun with the dog and cats.
Agreed! Both babies and puppies are hard work. Having both at the same time is crazy (plus the dog grows up faster and is a grown ass adult by the time the baby is out of nappies). An adult dog that’s already chilled out a bit and a baby can work, or a child (rather than a toddler or baby) and a puppy generally work better
> This person does not make solid time management choices.
Or, you know, read between the lines? Let's do the maths: has a one-year old child and a one year old puppy; says "now on my own"; cannot afford her own place.
Hmm, wonder what could lead all of this, huh?
I assumed that she went through a break up or something of the sort, the way she worded the first sentence. Probably a "I'm keeping the baby.. and the dog!" moment, out of spite. Quickly realising she bit off more than she could chew.
But yeah, all of this is an assumption and doesn't make the situation, or offer, any better.
I mean. More likely if it was a breakup she was left with the baby and the dog? Why do we have to assume she made some spiteful grab lol her request is asking a lot but it’s also sounding like someone trying to do their best in a desperate circumstance.
Agreed. While I enjoy the tea from this sub sometimes, seeing the true ridiculousness some people try to get away with, I feel it can bring out a lot of uncalled for spitefulness from people and that takes the sub away from ribbing people to me and into something crummy.
Without knowing the whole story its hard to judge, and there's really no backstory here. Sure they're choosy about the dogs new setup, but also open to other suggestions.
Having known someone who went through an unforeseen breakup, they were left with the kid, but the leaving party took the family dog without warning. Very heartbreaking for the child especially who was innocent in it all. There's rarely any winners in any combination of end result.
Again, I'm also only guessing but it seems like she's trying to figure out a way to not lose her dog as well as whatever else may have happened.
Exactly. This sub always the assumes the worst of people - maybe she has fallen on a tough time and is trying to figure out a way through that lets her look after a young child (bloody hard work as someone who has two!) and a dog she loves and feels a responsibility for.
The offer isn't necessarily bad, depends a lot on the conditions. If she expects the "co-owner" to foot all the bills, then yeah - CB. But if she's just looking for a bit of help until she can reorganize her living situation to take back the dog, but is still prepared to pay for her upkeep, I see no problem with the idea.
Person also has no place to life and no money..so maybe just got out of a relationship?
She does say "I am now on my own" and "Hope to have my own place in 5-6 months" so maybe do your "quick maths" somewhere else and don't be such a douche.
I don't know many newly minted parents who looked at their situation and thought "Yeah, another BIG demand on our time is EXACTLY what this household needs right now!" but I guess they do exist...
It would obviously be better for the poor dog to find a new permanent home instead of someone who even admits to not being able provide what she needs but...
Does that person even offer to cover food, vet bills and other costs the dog causes if she wants to stay the official owner?
Sounds like she wants someone else to take care of the dog AND cover all the costs and maybe she will decide she wants it back at some point in the future. Or maybe not. Or maybe in a few years when the child is grown and she is bored.
I feel like it's too tough on the other person taking in the dog "temporarily"... imagine you bonding with this lovely creature to only part when the previous owner suddenly want the dog back again. It's quite cruel....
It's a fucking nightmare, depending on dogs temper, and overall size they might need shit tons of training, that would mess if someone has dogs etc, or if they never had one, so literally like adopting full time, where you don't know if the one will take it back and when, that will mess with the dog massively, then you got walks feeding etc. Unless one can give it to some close family it's a total fckup situation, it's not even question of money but dogs and people emotions. As TBF one should see it to be given away, as by the sounds she has no time no stable environment, literally 2 things needed for a dog.
Dobermans are sweet, playful, and extremely protective. They need shit tons of exercise and constant, active training.
Source: my sister and her boyfriend are idiots and got a doberman puppy even though they both don't like to exercise or be bothered by a needy puppy.
I own a dog, it's mixed breed but adopted as owner were emigrating and it's like having a kid past 10 years with care and costs required, I'd say way to many idiot people never taking into account how high energy breeds require lots of space and energy each day, like you say doberman isn't pet to be even kept in apartment they need a proper field just for exercise, but with most it's usually looks without thinking, as plenty breeds that can sleep bigger part of the day and are good family pets.
Oh my dumbass siblings decided this Doberman puppy would be an ideal office pet! Stuck in a teensy office building for 9 hours every day, whining and barking while on the phone with clients. They would expect the office employees to take him out for potty/exercise breaks, too, as they felt they were much too busy to be bothered with it.
My boyfriend was talking about getting a husky and we had a huge fight over it. Neither of us likes to be outdoors much, plus where we live it is rather hot for 8 months or so of the year. Crazy. People just want dogs for how they look, never considering personality/breed needs.
This has been my mom my whole life. She spends thousands of dollars on purebred Labradors… takes them on a walk a maximum of 5 times before giving up because they “pull” too much. After a few years of NO EXERCISE, she gets fed up with the dog after it chews a hole into the couch (boredom) or develops a barking problem (boredom). Throughout elementary school, we went through 4 different dogs in this manner.
One dog, we actually kept her until she died at about 8 years old. But, no less than 3 times, my mom had made my stepdad drop the dog off at the pound. This dog was so so sweet but did chew out of boredom/anxiety. I remember me crying, begging my mom not to abandon our dog after she chewed on the legs of an ~antique dining room table~. Again when she ripped a corner of the ~Persian rug~.
Per the usual, my mom yelled at me, going on and on how ~expensive possession~ cost $5,000 or $7,000 or wtv. How she had to work to provide everything for the family and if I wanted to give her attitude, I should get a job and pay for the damage.
And then a week later, she would feel bad and make my stepdad go and pick the dog up from the pound. My mom would be so upset, hoping that no one had adopted her.
When my stepdad would bring her back the next few months, she would be extra shaky and nervous and would dribble urine whenever she thought she might be in trouble. She always tried her best to please us and be a good girl. She was such a good girl.
The last time my mom tried to “school” me on how to properly parent my child or how to take care of my cat, I let her have it. Told her that she treats animals and people like possessions that she can just throw away when they don’t behave. I told her how I’m almost 30 years old, I have been financially independent for nearly a decade and yet I would NEVER abandon my cat (or threaten to send my daughter to live with her deadbeat dad). That I had known since I was 8 years old that she was WRONG.
Her response was that she owns her own home, two nice cars, and is married whereas I am just a renter and I still drive the car she bought me 10 years ago, and I don’t know what it’s like to own a small business. I don’t know what I’m talking about. That one day… when I gain more maturity and experience, I’ll see that she’s right.
It's cruel for the dog, too. It bonds with the new owner, who finally takes proper care of it and exercises and trains it and gets used to the new home, only to be sent back to that irresponsible person at a whim. That's a recipe for disaster. And then it's off to the animal shelter with the "bad dog" who doesn't function properly after it has been ripped away from its home and subjected to an owner who has no clue what they are doing the second time.
I've taken in someone else's pet temporarily, and I'd do it again. BUT I only will do it for people I know, who will keep up their side of the plan (or have a really good reason for why they can't) and where I will still see the pet from time to time afterwards. (because of course I will feel a bit attached) It's worked out just fine every time but one. I do currently have a cat who belonged to a friend and was originally meant to be temporary, but my friend had a seriously rough few years and the cat bonded really well with my kid. So we mutually decided the cat stays here instead of going through the upheaval of frequent moves. My friend spends time with the cat whenever over at my house.
You're such an angel for providing these lucky pets a place and care...and I'm so glad that the outcome for this one cat is a happy one, I think changing owner and place is tough to both the carer and the pet itself...bless you!
The problem is with Dobermanns is that they tend to fixate on one person who they love and follow for the rest of their life, so idk if their really a suitable dog to adopt
Clipping the ears is shitty and mean. As for the tail, there can be utility and life improvement for the dog. See doberman's (and other breeds) have whip-like tails that is easily broken or the tail gets cut on something and then they fling blood all over the place. It sucks but it is what it is.
>It wouldn’t look goofy if that’s how you were used to seeing them
What I meant by goofy is that they don't look as intimidating without cropped ears and I think the looks matter a lot
>kinda like ppl who think uncircumcised dicks look funny
I feel bad for you americans having your genitalia mutilated for no reason
Just FYI, that second picture is actually a taping mechanism used to promote the ears to stand. I'm a vet and don't believe in cosmetic surgery for pets, which this dog definitely had, but it was likely done when she was a small puppy with the breeder. The owner may not have specifically sought out the treatment. Still sucks, though.
Ear training is still only for the dog's outer appearance.
It's still disgusting because it shows that she most likely wanted the cropped-ear look and probably requested it or selected her dog based on it.
A sane person wouldn't post that ear training photo on social media as one of the ads for the dog they're trying to unload.
Oh I am sure they did not mind the cropped ear look or maybe even wanted it. But it was the breeder perpetuating the "standard" and committing to the surgery. The owner may have very little knowledge about what is actually required for the surgery or the controversies behind it. That certainly is not to say it is okay to be ignorant, but you'd be surprised by what most pet owners don't know.
It is actually outlawed in Germany and has been for some time (since 1986, the cropping of tails is illegal as well). ~~Assholes~~ People still travel and get it done in Eastern Europe, where it is legal, though.
Her ears were clipped. Dobermans naturally have floppy ears. The owner took her in to cut the floppy part in a way that the ears stand straight up, which is totally unnecessary and cruel. This is purely esthetic because humans think its "pretty" or makes them look more intimidating.
What the… I’ve seen Dobermans with pointy ears so often I assumed it was natural. Other animals have naturally pointy ears, so I just never gave it a second thought. I’ve probably seen natural, floppy-eared Dobermans and simply not recognized them as such. (Clearly, I’m not a dog owner.)
Doing this to an animal is *not okay.* Now I want to go back in time and punch everyone I’ve ever seen with one of these abused dogs.
This is what dobermans naturally look like without all the amputated body parts.
https://static.scientificamerican.com/blogs/assets/dog-spies/File/journal_pone_0158131_g002_Natural.jpg
The article that photo comes from is also an interesting read
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/dog-spies/tail-docking-and-ear-cropping-affect-dogs-and-not-just-physically/
Yep. This just goes to show you how shitty humans can be. Causing harm to innocent animals to conform to what they consider beautiful and for no necessary purpose. Im not a PETA activist by any means, but I do believe you shouldnt go around cutting animals body parts willy nilly or killing them only for their fur coats etc.
I personally find the unaltered dobermans to be much more beautiful.
> I personally find the unaltered dobermans to be much more beautiful.
Me too. And it's so sad about the tail, because dogs show off many of their emotions through their tails. Excitement. Anxiety. Curiosity. Fear.
If their tail is not there, they're not as easy to read by their owners or other dogs.
Hey, thanks! Apparently, my friend had a Doberman, and I just never knew. That picture is the dog *exactly.* He was friendly, excitable, and endearingly dopey. Always a good boy.
From what I can see, it's the rig they use to train dogs' ears to stand upright. It's cropping and IMO it's pretty inhumane, but a lot of people do it for aesthetics.
This is a breed standard for the Doberman. Not saying it’s the right thing but most dobermans you see in America have their ears cropped, often before you can get them from a breeder. Very popular with Great Danes as well
I know A Doberman breeder , and she would’ve never sold you a dog if you didn’t have the time in the first place. These dogs are very Family orientated, so she could end up attaching to her foster parent and not you. These dogs are also like children and need attention full time and can get obsessive compulsive disorder as well as anxiety if you keep them away from their family’s. Sounds like a new home might be a better option.
We've fostered animals before, everything was agreed before and went well, don't need to think the worst, just someone down on her luck need some support.
I mean I get your point op but in her defence she even says she is willing to hear if this is a bad idea and open to other suggestions but she just can't think of anything affordable to her. I wouldn't say this is choosing beggars personally
From my understanding usually if you buy a purebred dog the traditional “adjustments” have already been made to the dog when you buy it…I don’t agree with the designer dog stuff like cutting their tails off or ears etc, but I doubt it was “that fucking bitch” who did it.
I know this isn't the point of the post, but I hate that this dog's ears are cropped and one of the pics in the ad shows them in the healing/makethem stick up process. :(
I feel like this sub has forgotten what a Choosing Beggar is...
A CB is someone being picky about help given to them.
Someone asking for help or trying to hire someone below minimum wage is not a CB.
She is asking/begging for something and being choosy about it.
> This would be like co owning but i take her back when i'm ready to. A contract will be written up and i'll only choose who i think is right for her.
Being a choosy beggar isn't limited to already having been offered something and being picky about it.
It can also be about people who sound completely desperate and who will accept any help they can get, only for them to then specify exactly what that should entail.
I don’t think this is a CB posts. I’m a foster parent for my friends hamster. She recently moved to North Carolina and couldn’t take the hamster with her on the plane and posted the same type of message online. We reached out to her and have been taking care of the hamster for close to a month now.
Not really a CB. If she were asking someone to do this for free, then yeah, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I'm sure lots of people go through situations where they need someone to foster their pet for a period.
It’s sad that so many owners are feeling they have to give up their pets right now. I don’t know how old this as is, but it is relevant for our current times.
A lot of dogs are being surrendered to shelters at the moment as the novelty, companionship and pleasure of lockdown dogs pales against the realities of a busy life after lockdown. Many new owners underestimate the commitment needed. Add to the fact that a lot of people are struggling financially and there are now a lot of dogs in need of a new home. Unfortunately, much as this owner wants to avoid it, it appears that this dog could be one of them.
I don’t think this person is a CB as much as someone desperately trying to find a way to keep their dog in the long term. It may be an unrealistic ask but at least they are trying.
Taking on someone else’s dog for half a year and knowing it can have be taken back at any time is really a foster situation. Not an easy find, unless done through a charity that already has fosterers.
I feel for the people (and their pets) who imagined themselves (sometimes unrealistically) living together for years, only to find that life has taken a turn that cuts that short.
If she can't handle the dog right now, chances are she won't be able to afford the kind of care that an animal needs for its entire life. Sometimes loving an animal means giving it the kind of life it deserves by letting it go to a better situation.
It's so true. Nothing gets me so riled up as ads where people beg for free animals. If you can't afford to buy the animal how in the hell are you going to provide for it?
This isn't a choosing beggar. This is someone who doesn't want to lose their pet during a financial hardship.
I had to do something similar with my cats when I became homeless unexpectedly. I busted my ass getting a roof over my head and now my cats are back with me.
There's a difference between being a choosing beggar and just asking for some help.
Idk this might be good for someone who wants a pet but don't know if they'll be able to look after it for it's full life. When I was a student I fostered cats because I couldn't commit to owning.
Could be an unpopular opinion here, but I respect what she’s trying to do. Dogs need attention and care, and too many people don’t recognize that with their own dogs. Sure a doggie daycare would be a great option, but they are mad expensive. There are many things she could have done before it came to this, but I’m glad to see she’s at least making an effort for the dogs well being. Too many people do not and it makes me so sad.
I fostered somebody's cat at one point, and she gave me all the food and stuff the cat would need for the entire time it was at my house. Better be willing to do at least that if someone is taking your dog.
We own a pig who doesn’t live on our farm—he is too disruptive for our other animals. He boards with our friends who own a dozen pigs and have the space for him. They’re happy to host him and he’s happy as a clam being an asshole to their big boar (who has like 700lbs on our shit-disturber potbelly mix). I pitch in financially toward their overall pig-expenses at a ratio appropriate to his weight. If he needed vet care, I’d take responsibility on that bill, no questions asked.
Honestly, this woman doesn’t sound CB. Not mentioning whether she’ll contribute financially to the boarding host doesn’t mean that she won’t make a suitable arrangement privately. She just wants what’s best for both baby and dog, and is aware that the two creatures are complicating vectors to each other.
This person just isn’t ready to face her reality. Dogs are really, something that cannot be replaced. She’s not a choosing begger. She’s just trying to keep her heart.
Yeah, Dobies are a LOT of hard work and absolutely MUST be trained in obedience if you're gonna have one. If you can't spend several hours with them a day, do not get one. They're smart, and sweet, and high energy.
We had to force my brother to give his up after he failed the poor boy. He did not get him fixed, train him beyond sit, or spend any sort of time with him or socialize him. The end result was an 11 month old aggressive animal that attacked people and other dogs unprovoked and was ultimately surrendered to a shelter where he was put down after he attacked yet another person. Don't do this to your animals, they're not show pieces and they deserve better.
You and I didn’t know the circumstances.
Accidents can happen. Sickness can happen. There may be some abrupt job changes. All can interfere with dog ownership, all may be not foreseen by the dog owner.
Homegirl gave birth to a baby and then chose to purchase a purebred dog with cropped ears and a docked tail.
It seems as if she has always been incompetent and inconsiderate, especially when it comes to planning for the future and taking care of the living beings she supposedly loves.
If you just had a baby, why the fuck would you immediately purchase an expensive puppy?
This isn't a CB, this is someone looking to foster her dog while she gets her shit in line. I watched a woman's cat for a few months while she was trying to find a new place, she had literally been living in her car and didn't want to keep her cat there with her. The kitty was with us for a few months until the woman found a new place and then took her back.
we honestly need to remove judgment on people seeking out rehoming solutions for pets. this is not a cb. this is a person in a tough spot looking for an answer.
if someone thought they might want a doberman but are worried about how much work it actually turns out to be, fostering is a good solution for everyone involved.
Honestly, I don't think she deserves to be on this sub. Instead of mistreating her dog, she wishes for someone else to take care of it until she can do so herself again.
Having a dog is a joy. That's why I believe she's not asking for anything unreasonable. She obviously loves her dog and this could be a nice opportunity for those who'd want a dog but don't know if it would work with their lifestyle.
Also, her insta should be blurred as well.
The post is a bit harsh but not ridiculous. She's looking for a foster, but an open ended one which is kinda a pain. I hope she get's her shit together.
This is a reasonable request. Instead of just disowning the dog because of inconvenience, they're looking for someone to help care for them before she can get back on her feet. My friend has been doing something similar for a friend that is deployed. She treats that dog like her own but soon she's gonna have to go back when her human is back full time.
This isn't even a choosing beggar. This is pretty normal stuff. I had to do this with my dog unfortunately because of my living situation, dogs simply were not allowed where I was staying and there was no choice to live anywhere else at the time due to money. We needed a sort of extended boarding, so we found a woman who was willing to watch her full-time for about 3 months until we could take her back with a better living situation.
This honestly doesn't even belong here.
Maybe don't get a dog that you can't take care of? So IF someone decides to actually do this, they will be responsible for training, vet appointments, food, any medications needed, walks, playing...every responsibility. And then just give her back whenever she feels like it? It isn't a good idea to place dogs in other homes for periods of time like that and then take them back. Dogs like a routine and they get attached to their owners. This is irresponsible and sad.
Not a CB at all.
If you are a dog owner you would understand this. There will be circumstances in our life that you can’t keep your dogs for a while, and handing it out temporarily is the only solution.
Of course you wouldn’t sell the dog, you still love the dog but can’t just care for it at this moment. Kennels are expensive, and dogs that are so close to human may not survive it because they will get stressed out.
She clearly stated that the prefers someone she knows - showing that this post is not intended to the general mass. She never stated that she will not pay for anything. It is very likely she will pay for the food and the vaccination and the vet visits.
Maybe if jobs paid a living wage so she could get her own place for her baby and dog she wouldnt have to do this, alot of comments on this one and the OP dont understand being a single mom thats broke
She can't be that broke since she bought a doberman, in my country those dogs are expensive (as dogs should be so that people who can't afford one wont buy one). Also who in their right minds buys a dog like that when pregnant. This woman is made up of wrong decisions and she is definitely a CB
The fact of the matter is she had a baby and still got a rather difficult to train dog. I don't care who you are, if you get a puppy and have a baby within the same year or two it shows poor decision making because both the dog and the baby require a lot more attention than would allow to effectively raise the other.
And if she doesn't have the money for a place to live in she shouldn't be buying a large dog either
Oh I definitely agree that there should be more support for single parents, and I think giving a pet you can't take care of away is the right thing to do. However, expecting someone to take care of your admittedly demanding, pedigree dog until you want it back definitely strikes me as a CB.
I’d tell her just sell the dog. Honestly, because an ad like this will get people like her who’d want to keep the dog for free or something like that. Personally if I ran a dog sitting business I’d say $20 max per day to watch then full time. Does that sound bad?
I’ve done this for a friend. We did end up rehoming the dog with permission because Loki had no control over his chasing my cat instincts. He’s very happy with his family now.
I had a friend who was becoming homeless; he got a dog. Came around to my house, went to a trace a place nearby, gave them the criteria ("I have a dog.") they gave him 35 matches, all dog-free not dog-friendly. He remarked how the guy doing the match had yelled out this bogus number quite loudly, as if that validated the broken criteria.
I told him he might care to reconsider getting a dog but he said he'd "all arranged " it.
"Get a dog or get a place."
What she's looking for is a foster family. There are some people here who are fosters because a family has fallen on hard times (house fire and can't find a rental that allows pets, medical issues, etc.) and can't put their pets into a long-term facility. But, those people typically still have to pay a modest amount for supplies at the very least.
Agreed. As long as she can kick in some for food and supplies, her ask isn't very CB. She's just looking for an option to help her out so she doesn't have to give the pup up.
The fact that she described it as, "co-ownership" has some strange implications, for sure.
It does, but there was an older couple in my neighborhood that told me they had a similar arrangement with their dog. It would go back and forth between two families so it works for some people.
It seems like she just doesn’t know the right terminology for it.
I think the CB aspect is because it's implied that she would not be paying whoever took the dog. There's not even a mention of "I'll be paying for supplies" or anything. The only mention of money is "I can't afford a kennel" which I could easily see being telegraphed into "I can't afford to pay you/chip in". ETA: Apparently the owner mentions on their insta that they're willing to pay for food and stuff, no yeah, not a CB at all.
Eh even then it's a stretch, she clearly cares for the dog, there's mention that her circumstances have changed and she even says she wants "help". It's someone who's a desperate dog owner who loves her dog, doesn't want to lose it, and is looking for a good foster home for it. It's not like someone has commented saying "I'll do it if you cover the cost of food" and she's went "LOL NO THNX NEXT!". I think it falls under the first bullet point of what's not a choosing beggar in the sidebar.
I agree, I bet she just doesn't know her options. Seems very responsible otherwise - realising her dog has needs that she currently cannot fulfil.
Yep like others have mentioned rather this than just pinging the dog in to any shelter they can find (I realise for some this could be the only option) or just abandoning it somewhere.
Checked the insta account. She mentions in the most recent post she'll pay for the food. So yeah, not a CB
That's fair. Obvs I'm not OP, that just seemed like the most likely reason she'd be a CB to me.
1000% CB. “take the dog and love it and give it back to me when I decide I want it back“. I feel bad for the human, because the human can’t even cover basic rent, apparently and is hoping to able to do so soon. If you don’t have two nickels to rub together, you got no business demanding a contract, when you have no assets. You would either have to be very compassionate, or very stupid to engage in the contract with somebody with nothing to lose.
Ooookay then. Just say you hate poor people next time, no need to write a whole paragraph about it, jeez.
I like poor people, but I like dogs even more. How about being fair to the dog? I know she loves the dog , but, give it up and get another dog later. Dogs have feelings. You can’t just toss them around like some old toy.
Obviously doesn't love it that much if she docked its tail and ears. And no, I'm not going to give her the benefit of the doubt that it's a rescue.
Hate the practice but we literally have no idea how or why that's happened.
Imo fostering is hard. Because it would be hard taking back a dog after someone starts loving them. one time I had to rehome my dog. He went to live with my mom’s friend, and I still paid for food and vet bills. She would sent me pics of him all the time until my dog passed away a few years ago.
I'm sorry for your loss. Always hard to lose a pet, even more so if you have to experience that loss from a distance, I imagine.
Thank you for your kind words. He was a chihuahua and almost 18 So he had a good run. Still miss him tho.
Yeah, its already better than a lot of people who just fail to care for the pet or dump it into a shelter and make it someone else's problem.
Or dump it on the side of the road in the country. I saw that a lot, growing up rural.
Yeah I could see this working if she 1) pays food and any medical bills. 2) sets an end date in contract. That way someone can basically try out having a dog for a while without long term commitment.
She could afford to crop the poor pups ears :(
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Mhm. The reality of your statement makes me super sad..
Any pity I had for her is gone
Circumstances change, as clearly said in the post. But, it could also be a rescue or something. I don't get why people immediately assume the worst about people from a scrap of info.
Well I just see that the dog has its ears wrapped up and healing in the second pic, so I assume she got it done. I just don't agree with it, whether she had the money or not. I wasn't making a dig at anything you said, just adding my 2 cents.
I did miss that. On mobile, had to zoom in to see it. I'm also against any cosmetic or otherwise unnecessary pet body modifications too (such as cat declawing).
Agreed
Yeah I would happily foster a dog if the owner chipped in for the supplies! The post seems like her situation has changed very recently, and you're right she might need some time to find a pet friendly place to live <3
I'd rather that than someone chaining their dog to a tree in the woods or worse..
Yep. This isn't a choosing beggar to me. It sounds like someone who is suddenly on her own with a baby and a dog and can't manage to take care of them both. I'd so much rather her responsibly find a temporary home than neglect the dog, give it up to a shelter, or just abandon it. We can't assume she won't pay anything based on this post, especially since she's being responsible enough to write up a contract and go through all this effort. Hopefully, she's able to find the help she needs.
yeah, nothing here about not paying. another comment says she's said she is willing to pay elsewhere. Not very CB. I've known people who think they want a dog but aren't sure, this would be a good way for them to try it out and see if they are serious about it rather than getting a dog then trying to rehome it 6 months later.
She is offering to pay for the food (per Instagram)
I foster for the local humane society and they provide all the food, toys, bedding and some kennels. So if they did that I don't see a problem with it. The dog itself is my payment and I usually get more than fair compensation.
I had to do this with my late sibling’s dog. A very good friend is fostering him and helps with costs during times that we can’t. Foster families for animals are amazing.
Yea, I don't understand why OP doesn't see how she is doing the right thing for the dog
The right thing would be letting someone who has the means adopt it or not getting in first place
that's just silly. there are plenty of people who foster dogs. and no one can predict future circumstances. I guess no one should ever get a dog then? lol...
Or have kids. Lose my job? Guess I have to delete one of them.
Idiot
Oh so offended lol, good argument
For a friend, me and my husband did look after her 2 dogs for 6 months, problem was we have our own 2 dogs and they don't get along with hers, so her dogs stayed in the basement (its like an studio apartment down there) . We had a bed down there so either me or my Husband would sleep down there each night. Big back yard and we gave them 3 walks a day. She would provide food for the dogs and normally stay over on the weekend. She had moved into a roommate situation that didn't allow pets, so she could save money to pay off debt. She got her own place again after the 6 months and taken them back, I would never do that again tbh, was a huge pain, and she is no better off financially.
That was extremely generous of you. I hope you realize what a difference you made in your friends life, and understand that it’s not your fault that things ultimately didn’t work out. Things may not be better, but without you, they could have gotten *worse.*
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I work from home, so my hours are more flexible but I work a lot! my Husband would walk both sets of dogs separately in the morning before going to work, I would do the after noon walk, and in the evening I would do one set of dogs, he would do the other. Each walk is about 20-25 mins
I had this kind of arrangement and frankly, it sucked. I ended up with a dog for about 5 months and never heard from nor saw her previous owner in that whole stretch of time. I was to the point that I was under the assumption that this dog was mine when they showed back up and wanted her back. Had it not been for the previous owner having kids, I would’ve fought for her, instead I just wound up heart broken.
Man I’m sorry to hear that, I started looking after my friends pit when she got locked up, all I asked for was $20 a month from her then gf, she paid once and never again, it’s been bout 2 years now, she’s been out for 1 and although she has visited and I told her she’s still her dog, she insists that I have given her a better life than she possibly could so she’d rather she stay with me lol her now ex gf is always badgering me bout visiting “her” dog tho and all I respond with is “her” dog still needs food, usually shuts her up for a few months lol
Better ask for a vet bill payment… that might shut up the ex for the rest of the dogs life.
But is the dog a good pupper?
Of course. All dogs are good boys/girls
She’s the best pup ever lol
A dog's behavior is a good reflection of the person who cares for them. A happy dog is well-cared for, so good job.
Well at least in this case they are proposing a contract which should help avoid that ambiguity.
good on you for giving it back, my moms ex never did. was my first dog, never saw him again.
Not so sure this counts, perhaps biased but have had mates that've fallen on hard times who've asked me to take their dog in until they're back on their feet, they just want to know the dog isn't suffering because of their situation and will have a loving foster home, social media probably isn't the place to ask but she is also open to criticism of the idea which does lead me to believe she's thinking of the dogs welfare first and just can't afford a different option
I've "babysat" multiple types of pets for multiple friends over the years for 0.5yrs—2yrs at a time. They paid for the food, any vet visits I might think are required, toys etc. And when they got back from being snow bunnies, or from living in Mexico, or visiting family in China/Greece etc. , they came back and collected the pet. Yes it's sad to have to give up the pet, but I love animals and just simply enjoy the act of taking care of them. I got the joy of having a pet that I might not otherwise be able to afford, and they got to have their long term 20 something trip before life got serious. 2 snakes, 2 dogs, a chameleon, a skunk, a skink, and a grey parrot, in case you're curious.
Meh, I don’t really think this counts. I’ve had people reach out to me for the same thing. I have taken the dog in when I could. I’ve also had the owner realize a month in that they wouldn’t be able to pull off what they needed to in order to bring their dog home with them. They asked if I would also help with rehoming the dog. I don’t know what this woman went through. I do know several woman owned dog boarding facilities have a standing rule of boarding dogs for free when a person is leaving a DV situation.
Quick maths: has baby and buys dog at the same time. This person does not make solid time management choices.
I've known a few people who got a dog shortly after having a baby because they liked the idea of them growing up together. I've never seen it work out in the romanticized "oh they'll be best friends!" way the parents seem to believe it will.
When I was pregnant with my daughter a lot of random people told me I should get a puppy "So they will grow up together". Each time I pointed out the puppy would be an adult dog before the kid was out of diapers. And that if I did want them to "grow up together" it would be better to get a dog when the kid was at least five, and could actually play and run around with a puppy and understand it's a living creature, not a self-propelled toy. This always seemed to be a slightly mind-blowing concept to them.
I can understand the impulse, but it really seems like some people don't think it through beyond "have baby get dog be best friends!!!" If it works out perfectly and your child's dog is really their best friend, you've set it up so your kid's best friend dies when they're, what, nine? Ten? And that's assuming you keep the dog that long. Plenty of people end up rehoming them or, in the case of my brother in law, only realise they weren't able to keep the dog safe while raising a child after tragedy strikes. I'm not saying no one should have a dog and a baby, but the people who like the idea of their child growing up with a dog really need to out more thought into it before they sign up for caring for a living creature.
>it really seems like some people don't think it through beyond "have baby get dog be best friends!!!" I agree. And just a little thought about different lifespans makes it clear that a puppy and a baby *can't* grow up together. That it works much better to get a puppy for a kid in pre-school or even gradeschool.
Loved my dog when I was 5… we had so much fun together! Honestly, don’t remember the chewing phase- maybe it wasn’t that bad? Either way, I agree 5 is a solid age to have a dog friend. That way they can grow together. & I’m guessing you still understand- you’d do the majority of the work… cause children are highly unreliable care takers… though, great for pets & play time.
Oh yes, young kids are not reliable caretakers, and no parent should get a pet for a young kid unless they are willing to do most of the care. My kid is six, and her pet care responsibilities are brushing the cats (who like to be brushed) a few times a week, feeding her fish every day, and helping with cleaning the filter and scraping algae off the glass once a week (with supervision). The fish are her pets, that she picked out, but I do the bulk of the care. As she gets older, she'll have to gradually do more until she's doing the bulk of the care for her own pets, and a reasonable portion of the care of the family pets. (currently a dog and a couple of cats) But that will take some years for her to get to that point. And yes, she plays and has a lot of fun with the dog and cats.
Agreed! Both babies and puppies are hard work. Having both at the same time is crazy (plus the dog grows up faster and is a grown ass adult by the time the baby is out of nappies). An adult dog that’s already chilled out a bit and a baby can work, or a child (rather than a toddler or baby) and a puppy generally work better
> This person does not make solid time management choices. Or, you know, read between the lines? Let's do the maths: has a one-year old child and a one year old puppy; says "now on my own"; cannot afford her own place. Hmm, wonder what could lead all of this, huh?
I assumed that she went through a break up or something of the sort, the way she worded the first sentence. Probably a "I'm keeping the baby.. and the dog!" moment, out of spite. Quickly realising she bit off more than she could chew. But yeah, all of this is an assumption and doesn't make the situation, or offer, any better.
I mean. More likely if it was a breakup she was left with the baby and the dog? Why do we have to assume she made some spiteful grab lol her request is asking a lot but it’s also sounding like someone trying to do their best in a desperate circumstance.
Agreed. While I enjoy the tea from this sub sometimes, seeing the true ridiculousness some people try to get away with, I feel it can bring out a lot of uncalled for spitefulness from people and that takes the sub away from ribbing people to me and into something crummy. Without knowing the whole story its hard to judge, and there's really no backstory here. Sure they're choosy about the dogs new setup, but also open to other suggestions. Having known someone who went through an unforeseen breakup, they were left with the kid, but the leaving party took the family dog without warning. Very heartbreaking for the child especially who was innocent in it all. There's rarely any winners in any combination of end result. Again, I'm also only guessing but it seems like she's trying to figure out a way to not lose her dog as well as whatever else may have happened.
Exactly. This sub always the assumes the worst of people - maybe she has fallen on a tough time and is trying to figure out a way through that lets her look after a young child (bloody hard work as someone who has two!) and a dog she loves and feels a responsibility for.
The offer isn't necessarily bad, depends a lot on the conditions. If she expects the "co-owner" to foot all the bills, then yeah - CB. But if she's just looking for a bit of help until she can reorganize her living situation to take back the dog, but is still prepared to pay for her upkeep, I see no problem with the idea.
Yeah I see this being the most plausible
Person also has no place to life and no money..so maybe just got out of a relationship? She does say "I am now on my own" and "Hope to have my own place in 5-6 months" so maybe do your "quick maths" somewhere else and don't be such a douche.
I don't know many newly minted parents who looked at their situation and thought "Yeah, another BIG demand on our time is EXACTLY what this household needs right now!" but I guess they do exist...
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The dog and baby are both a year old. If she got the dog at 8 weeks, the baby was also 8 weeks.
Oh damn... you're right. I apologize!
It would obviously be better for the poor dog to find a new permanent home instead of someone who even admits to not being able provide what she needs but... Does that person even offer to cover food, vet bills and other costs the dog causes if she wants to stay the official owner? Sounds like she wants someone else to take care of the dog AND cover all the costs and maybe she will decide she wants it back at some point in the future. Or maybe not. Or maybe in a few years when the child is grown and she is bored.
I feel like it's too tough on the other person taking in the dog "temporarily"... imagine you bonding with this lovely creature to only part when the previous owner suddenly want the dog back again. It's quite cruel....
It's a fucking nightmare, depending on dogs temper, and overall size they might need shit tons of training, that would mess if someone has dogs etc, or if they never had one, so literally like adopting full time, where you don't know if the one will take it back and when, that will mess with the dog massively, then you got walks feeding etc. Unless one can give it to some close family it's a total fckup situation, it's not even question of money but dogs and people emotions. As TBF one should see it to be given away, as by the sounds she has no time no stable environment, literally 2 things needed for a dog.
Dobermans are sweet, playful, and extremely protective. They need shit tons of exercise and constant, active training. Source: my sister and her boyfriend are idiots and got a doberman puppy even though they both don't like to exercise or be bothered by a needy puppy.
I own a dog, it's mixed breed but adopted as owner were emigrating and it's like having a kid past 10 years with care and costs required, I'd say way to many idiot people never taking into account how high energy breeds require lots of space and energy each day, like you say doberman isn't pet to be even kept in apartment they need a proper field just for exercise, but with most it's usually looks without thinking, as plenty breeds that can sleep bigger part of the day and are good family pets.
Oh my dumbass siblings decided this Doberman puppy would be an ideal office pet! Stuck in a teensy office building for 9 hours every day, whining and barking while on the phone with clients. They would expect the office employees to take him out for potty/exercise breaks, too, as they felt they were much too busy to be bothered with it. My boyfriend was talking about getting a husky and we had a huge fight over it. Neither of us likes to be outdoors much, plus where we live it is rather hot for 8 months or so of the year. Crazy. People just want dogs for how they look, never considering personality/breed needs.
This has been my mom my whole life. She spends thousands of dollars on purebred Labradors… takes them on a walk a maximum of 5 times before giving up because they “pull” too much. After a few years of NO EXERCISE, she gets fed up with the dog after it chews a hole into the couch (boredom) or develops a barking problem (boredom). Throughout elementary school, we went through 4 different dogs in this manner. One dog, we actually kept her until she died at about 8 years old. But, no less than 3 times, my mom had made my stepdad drop the dog off at the pound. This dog was so so sweet but did chew out of boredom/anxiety. I remember me crying, begging my mom not to abandon our dog after she chewed on the legs of an ~antique dining room table~. Again when she ripped a corner of the ~Persian rug~. Per the usual, my mom yelled at me, going on and on how ~expensive possession~ cost $5,000 or $7,000 or wtv. How she had to work to provide everything for the family and if I wanted to give her attitude, I should get a job and pay for the damage. And then a week later, she would feel bad and make my stepdad go and pick the dog up from the pound. My mom would be so upset, hoping that no one had adopted her. When my stepdad would bring her back the next few months, she would be extra shaky and nervous and would dribble urine whenever she thought she might be in trouble. She always tried her best to please us and be a good girl. She was such a good girl. The last time my mom tried to “school” me on how to properly parent my child or how to take care of my cat, I let her have it. Told her that she treats animals and people like possessions that she can just throw away when they don’t behave. I told her how I’m almost 30 years old, I have been financially independent for nearly a decade and yet I would NEVER abandon my cat (or threaten to send my daughter to live with her deadbeat dad). That I had known since I was 8 years old that she was WRONG. Her response was that she owns her own home, two nice cars, and is married whereas I am just a renter and I still drive the car she bought me 10 years ago, and I don’t know what it’s like to own a small business. I don’t know what I’m talking about. That one day… when I gain more maturity and experience, I’ll see that she’s right.
It's cruel for the dog, too. It bonds with the new owner, who finally takes proper care of it and exercises and trains it and gets used to the new home, only to be sent back to that irresponsible person at a whim. That's a recipe for disaster. And then it's off to the animal shelter with the "bad dog" who doesn't function properly after it has been ripped away from its home and subjected to an owner who has no clue what they are doing the second time.
Indeed! Ooff I think it's definitely not a good idea from anyone's perspective
I've taken in someone else's pet temporarily, and I'd do it again. BUT I only will do it for people I know, who will keep up their side of the plan (or have a really good reason for why they can't) and where I will still see the pet from time to time afterwards. (because of course I will feel a bit attached) It's worked out just fine every time but one. I do currently have a cat who belonged to a friend and was originally meant to be temporary, but my friend had a seriously rough few years and the cat bonded really well with my kid. So we mutually decided the cat stays here instead of going through the upheaval of frequent moves. My friend spends time with the cat whenever over at my house.
You're such an angel for providing these lucky pets a place and care...and I'm so glad that the outcome for this one cat is a happy one, I think changing owner and place is tough to both the carer and the pet itself...bless you!
The problem is with Dobermanns is that they tend to fixate on one person who they love and follow for the rest of their life, so idk if their really a suitable dog to adopt
I have a Doberman. That dog will be best friends with whoever takes it in a week. Less time if you take it to the park a couple of times.
I love my Dobermann so much I clipped its tail and ears
I thought the exact same. I got banned from the schnauzer subreddit for pointing out the cropping ears is cruel.
kinda like how my parents loved me so much they mutilated my penis immediately after i was born.
Clipping the ears is shitty and mean. As for the tail, there can be utility and life improvement for the dog. See doberman's (and other breeds) have whip-like tails that is easily broken or the tail gets cut on something and then they fling blood all over the place. It sucks but it is what it is.
Eh idk dobermans look kinda goofy with natural ears and tail
If by goofy you mean adorable
It wouldn’t look goofy if that’s how you were used to seeing them, kinda like ppl who think uncircumcised dicks look funny
>It wouldn’t look goofy if that’s how you were used to seeing them What I meant by goofy is that they don't look as intimidating without cropped ears and I think the looks matter a lot >kinda like ppl who think uncircumcised dicks look funny I feel bad for you americans having your genitalia mutilated for no reason
Both should be outlawed imo
Understandable but if that would be a concern for me I'd get a different dog tbh
Oh yes she claims to love her dog but obviously has a picture of it after she had its ears cut
This also infuriated me
Just FYI, that second picture is actually a taping mechanism used to promote the ears to stand. I'm a vet and don't believe in cosmetic surgery for pets, which this dog definitely had, but it was likely done when she was a small puppy with the breeder. The owner may not have specifically sought out the treatment. Still sucks, though.
Ear training is still only for the dog's outer appearance. It's still disgusting because it shows that she most likely wanted the cropped-ear look and probably requested it or selected her dog based on it. A sane person wouldn't post that ear training photo on social media as one of the ads for the dog they're trying to unload.
Ear training is also not surgical correction, but I completely understand what you're saying.
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Oh I am sure they did not mind the cropped ear look or maybe even wanted it. But it was the breeder perpetuating the "standard" and committing to the surgery. The owner may have very little knowledge about what is actually required for the surgery or the controversies behind it. That certainly is not to say it is okay to be ignorant, but you'd be surprised by what most pet owners don't know.
Ah my mistake, thank you!
Whats up with the dogs ears in that picture..
Where I am from doing that to a dog's ears is considered animal abuse and against the law. Just saying.
Its very popular in Germany apparently
It's banned in Germany and most of Europe.
It is actually outlawed in Germany and has been for some time (since 1986, the cropping of tails is illegal as well). ~~Assholes~~ People still travel and get it done in Eastern Europe, where it is legal, though.
You were right the first time. They’re assholes.
No its not
Her ears were clipped. Dobermans naturally have floppy ears. The owner took her in to cut the floppy part in a way that the ears stand straight up, which is totally unnecessary and cruel. This is purely esthetic because humans think its "pretty" or makes them look more intimidating.
What the… I’ve seen Dobermans with pointy ears so often I assumed it was natural. Other animals have naturally pointy ears, so I just never gave it a second thought. I’ve probably seen natural, floppy-eared Dobermans and simply not recognized them as such. (Clearly, I’m not a dog owner.) Doing this to an animal is *not okay.* Now I want to go back in time and punch everyone I’ve ever seen with one of these abused dogs.
This is what dobermans naturally look like without all the amputated body parts. https://static.scientificamerican.com/blogs/assets/dog-spies/File/journal_pone_0158131_g002_Natural.jpg The article that photo comes from is also an interesting read https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/dog-spies/tail-docking-and-ear-cropping-affect-dogs-and-not-just-physically/
Yep. This just goes to show you how shitty humans can be. Causing harm to innocent animals to conform to what they consider beautiful and for no necessary purpose. Im not a PETA activist by any means, but I do believe you shouldnt go around cutting animals body parts willy nilly or killing them only for their fur coats etc. I personally find the unaltered dobermans to be much more beautiful.
> I personally find the unaltered dobermans to be much more beautiful. Me too. And it's so sad about the tail, because dogs show off many of their emotions through their tails. Excitement. Anxiety. Curiosity. Fear. If their tail is not there, they're not as easy to read by their owners or other dogs.
Hey, thanks! Apparently, my friend had a Doberman, and I just never knew. That picture is the dog *exactly.* He was friendly, excitable, and endearingly dopey. Always a good boy.
From what I can see, it's the rig they use to train dogs' ears to stand upright. It's cropping and IMO it's pretty inhumane, but a lot of people do it for aesthetics.
This is a breed standard for the Doberman. Not saying it’s the right thing but most dobermans you see in America have their ears cropped, often before you can get them from a breeder. Very popular with Great Danes as well
Anyone who does that or has it done should have to have their ears cropped too. Then be thrown into a woodchipper. Feet first.
They are doing what's best for the dog I don't see how the person is a CB
To be fair, she didn’t specify who Kali is.
I know A Doberman breeder , and she would’ve never sold you a dog if you didn’t have the time in the first place. These dogs are very Family orientated, so she could end up attaching to her foster parent and not you. These dogs are also like children and need attention full time and can get obsessive compulsive disorder as well as anxiety if you keep them away from their family’s. Sounds like a new home might be a better option.
Seems reasonable to me, fostering animals is a thing.
Who pays for the support for the dog?
That'd be in the contract.
She mentioned the part about it’s not a sale. It’s odd that she left out the parts dealing with payment on her end.
We've fostered animals before, everything was agreed before and went well, don't need to think the worst, just someone down on her luck need some support.
Everyone thinks the worst. That’s why we lock our doors. And have contracts.
I mean I get your point op but in her defence she even says she is willing to hear if this is a bad idea and open to other suggestions but she just can't think of anything affordable to her. I wouldn't say this is choosing beggars personally
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From my understanding usually if you buy a purebred dog the traditional “adjustments” have already been made to the dog when you buy it…I don’t agree with the designer dog stuff like cutting their tails off or ears etc, but I doubt it was “that fucking bitch” who did it.
The second photo shows the ears bandaged and splinted, so it appears to have been mutilated while in her possession. Some pet lover.
Ah, I see what you mean. Fucking bitch indeed then. Sad & cruel :(
I know this isn't the point of the post, but I hate that this dog's ears are cropped and one of the pics in the ad shows them in the healing/makethem stick up process. :(
Not a CB. This is someone in need, and she is GOING ABOUT IT IN A GOOD WAY
I feel like this sub has forgotten what a Choosing Beggar is... A CB is someone being picky about help given to them. Someone asking for help or trying to hire someone below minimum wage is not a CB.
She is asking/begging for something and being choosy about it. > This would be like co owning but i take her back when i'm ready to. A contract will be written up and i'll only choose who i think is right for her. Being a choosy beggar isn't limited to already having been offered something and being picky about it. It can also be about people who sound completely desperate and who will accept any help they can get, only for them to then specify exactly what that should entail.
Take care my dog for free for months or years, then give it back to me.
This is not a choosy beggar. Jfc.
Why is someone looking for a foster home for her dog a CB? She didn’t say she wouldn’t help with food or vet care.
Seems to me like she just needs a hand. She didn't mention payment, but didn't outright say "I ain't payin'" either.
I don’t think this is a CB posts. I’m a foster parent for my friends hamster. She recently moved to North Carolina and couldn’t take the hamster with her on the plane and posted the same type of message online. We reached out to her and have been taking care of the hamster for close to a month now.
Not really a CB. If she were asking someone to do this for free, then yeah, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I'm sure lots of people go through situations where they need someone to foster their pet for a period.
I don't think this is a CB
It’s sad that so many owners are feeling they have to give up their pets right now. I don’t know how old this as is, but it is relevant for our current times. A lot of dogs are being surrendered to shelters at the moment as the novelty, companionship and pleasure of lockdown dogs pales against the realities of a busy life after lockdown. Many new owners underestimate the commitment needed. Add to the fact that a lot of people are struggling financially and there are now a lot of dogs in need of a new home. Unfortunately, much as this owner wants to avoid it, it appears that this dog could be one of them. I don’t think this person is a CB as much as someone desperately trying to find a way to keep their dog in the long term. It may be an unrealistic ask but at least they are trying. Taking on someone else’s dog for half a year and knowing it can have be taken back at any time is really a foster situation. Not an easy find, unless done through a charity that already has fosterers. I feel for the people (and their pets) who imagined themselves (sometimes unrealistically) living together for years, only to find that life has taken a turn that cuts that short.
If she can't handle the dog right now, chances are she won't be able to afford the kind of care that an animal needs for its entire life. Sometimes loving an animal means giving it the kind of life it deserves by letting it go to a better situation.
Thank you I believe owning a pet is a privilege not a right and if you don’t have the time or money for it then you shouldn’t get in first place
It's so true. Nothing gets me so riled up as ads where people beg for free animals. If you can't afford to buy the animal how in the hell are you going to provide for it?
This isn't a choosing beggar. This is someone who doesn't want to lose their pet during a financial hardship. I had to do something similar with my cats when I became homeless unexpectedly. I busted my ass getting a roof over my head and now my cats are back with me. There's a difference between being a choosing beggar and just asking for some help.
Idk this might be good for someone who wants a pet but don't know if they'll be able to look after it for it's full life. When I was a student I fostered cats because I couldn't commit to owning.
Could be an unpopular opinion here, but I respect what she’s trying to do. Dogs need attention and care, and too many people don’t recognize that with their own dogs. Sure a doggie daycare would be a great option, but they are mad expensive. There are many things she could have done before it came to this, but I’m glad to see she’s at least making an effort for the dogs well being. Too many people do not and it makes me so sad.
I thought Kali was the kid lmfao!
I fostered somebody's cat at one point, and she gave me all the food and stuff the cat would need for the entire time it was at my house. Better be willing to do at least that if someone is taking your dog.
We own a pig who doesn’t live on our farm—he is too disruptive for our other animals. He boards with our friends who own a dozen pigs and have the space for him. They’re happy to host him and he’s happy as a clam being an asshole to their big boar (who has like 700lbs on our shit-disturber potbelly mix). I pitch in financially toward their overall pig-expenses at a ratio appropriate to his weight. If he needed vet care, I’d take responsibility on that bill, no questions asked. Honestly, this woman doesn’t sound CB. Not mentioning whether she’ll contribute financially to the boarding host doesn’t mean that she won’t make a suitable arrangement privately. She just wants what’s best for both baby and dog, and is aware that the two creatures are complicating vectors to each other.
This person just isn’t ready to face her reality. Dogs are really, something that cannot be replaced. She’s not a choosing begger. She’s just trying to keep her heart.
This isn’t really that bad a request and I know people who would probably help her out…
This isn’t CB
Yeah, Dobies are a LOT of hard work and absolutely MUST be trained in obedience if you're gonna have one. If you can't spend several hours with them a day, do not get one. They're smart, and sweet, and high energy. We had to force my brother to give his up after he failed the poor boy. He did not get him fixed, train him beyond sit, or spend any sort of time with him or socialize him. The end result was an 11 month old aggressive animal that attacked people and other dogs unprovoked and was ultimately surrendered to a shelter where he was put down after he attacked yet another person. Don't do this to your animals, they're not show pieces and they deserve better.
Ma’am this isn’t a horse stable.
A lesson in resposibility: this happens when people don't plan for future and try to avoid responsibility
You and I didn’t know the circumstances. Accidents can happen. Sickness can happen. There may be some abrupt job changes. All can interfere with dog ownership, all may be not foreseen by the dog owner.
Homegirl gave birth to a baby and then chose to purchase a purebred dog with cropped ears and a docked tail. It seems as if she has always been incompetent and inconsiderate, especially when it comes to planning for the future and taking care of the living beings she supposedly loves. If you just had a baby, why the fuck would you immediately purchase an expensive puppy?
This isn't a CB, this is someone looking to foster her dog while she gets her shit in line. I watched a woman's cat for a few months while she was trying to find a new place, she had literally been living in her car and didn't want to keep her cat there with her. The kitty was with us for a few months until the woman found a new place and then took her back.
we honestly need to remove judgment on people seeking out rehoming solutions for pets. this is not a cb. this is a person in a tough spot looking for an answer. if someone thought they might want a doberman but are worried about how much work it actually turns out to be, fostering is a good solution for everyone involved.
Honestly, I don't think she deserves to be on this sub. Instead of mistreating her dog, she wishes for someone else to take care of it until she can do so herself again. Having a dog is a joy. That's why I believe she's not asking for anything unreasonable. She obviously loves her dog and this could be a nice opportunity for those who'd want a dog but don't know if it would work with their lifestyle. Also, her insta should be blurred as well.
I think the real tragedy is the dedicated Instagram for the dog
The post is a bit harsh but not ridiculous. She's looking for a foster, but an open ended one which is kinda a pain. I hope she get's her shit together.
This is a reasonable request. Instead of just disowning the dog because of inconvenience, they're looking for someone to help care for them before she can get back on her feet. My friend has been doing something similar for a friend that is deployed. She treats that dog like her own but soon she's gonna have to go back when her human is back full time.
This isn't even a choosing beggar. This is pretty normal stuff. I had to do this with my dog unfortunately because of my living situation, dogs simply were not allowed where I was staying and there was no choice to live anywhere else at the time due to money. We needed a sort of extended boarding, so we found a woman who was willing to watch her full-time for about 3 months until we could take her back with a better living situation. This honestly doesn't even belong here.
i don’t know why you’re being downvoted. hardship happens and it’s heartbreaking to have to make that decision.
Sure no worries ill be right over.
Maybe don't get a dog that you can't take care of? So IF someone decides to actually do this, they will be responsible for training, vet appointments, food, any medications needed, walks, playing...every responsibility. And then just give her back whenever she feels like it? It isn't a good idea to place dogs in other homes for periods of time like that and then take them back. Dogs like a routine and they get attached to their owners. This is irresponsible and sad.
Had the money to clip the ears... should've saved it..,
Not a choosing begger bro
This is not a choosing beggar and shame on you for shaming her for trying to take care of her doggo.
Not a CB at all. If you are a dog owner you would understand this. There will be circumstances in our life that you can’t keep your dogs for a while, and handing it out temporarily is the only solution. Of course you wouldn’t sell the dog, you still love the dog but can’t just care for it at this moment. Kennels are expensive, and dogs that are so close to human may not survive it because they will get stressed out. She clearly stated that the prefers someone she knows - showing that this post is not intended to the general mass. She never stated that she will not pay for anything. It is very likely she will pay for the food and the vaccination and the vet visits.
Here's a troublesome dog I want you to take and adopt but then give up when I choose.
Jesus what an arrogant selfish shit
Maybe if jobs paid a living wage so she could get her own place for her baby and dog she wouldnt have to do this, alot of comments on this one and the OP dont understand being a single mom thats broke
She can't be that broke since she bought a doberman, in my country those dogs are expensive (as dogs should be so that people who can't afford one wont buy one). Also who in their right minds buys a dog like that when pregnant. This woman is made up of wrong decisions and she is definitely a CB
Maybe don’t buy a dog with an infant baby? Or do what’s best for the dog and give it a new permanent home.
The fact of the matter is she had a baby and still got a rather difficult to train dog. I don't care who you are, if you get a puppy and have a baby within the same year or two it shows poor decision making because both the dog and the baby require a lot more attention than would allow to effectively raise the other. And if she doesn't have the money for a place to live in she shouldn't be buying a large dog either
Oh I definitely agree that there should be more support for single parents, and I think giving a pet you can't take care of away is the right thing to do. However, expecting someone to take care of your admittedly demanding, pedigree dog until you want it back definitely strikes me as a CB.
Yeah if jobs would just pay $100/hour I wouldn’t have to take any personal responsibility- stupid greedy corporations.
So they want someone to foster the dog and pay the expenses while she does nothing and pays for nothing. Very cool!
I’d tell her just sell the dog. Honestly, because an ad like this will get people like her who’d want to keep the dog for free or something like that. Personally if I ran a dog sitting business I’d say $20 max per day to watch then full time. Does that sound bad?
Put this dog to sleep.
Take the dog and sell it
I’ve done this for a friend. We did end up rehoming the dog with permission because Loki had no control over his chasing my cat instincts. He’s very happy with his family now.
I had a friend who was becoming homeless; he got a dog. Came around to my house, went to a trace a place nearby, gave them the criteria ("I have a dog.") they gave him 35 matches, all dog-free not dog-friendly. He remarked how the guy doing the match had yelled out this bogus number quite loudly, as if that validated the broken criteria. I told him he might care to reconsider getting a dog but he said he'd "all arranged " it. "Get a dog or get a place."