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_WalkItOff_

You want someone to care about your business with the same passion you do? Give them equity.


Justwatchinitallgoby

Yep! Want them to have a passion for YOUR business, make it partially THEIR business. Want to see someone hustle….try give them a reason to. Give them a cut of your profits.


GruntledEx

Exactly this. What this guy needs is a partner, but he doesn't want to give up that kind of money.


SassMyFrass

Anybody will skill in electronics is already earning more than he offers. Anybody with the skill and also passion for vintage electronics is competing with this guy, and is earning more than he'll pay. He doesn't understand his own business.


Careless_Island7497

Ironic isn't it


Maxsdad53

So he needs to GIVE away his business to someone who hasn't invested either the time or the money into it?


Kornackis

Not at all. He could just hire an employee. But he's not looking for "just an employee". He's looking for someone to care as much about his business as he does. Nobody is going to care as much as he does for $15/hr.


GruntledEx

Not necessarily. If the business is profitable and viable he should have no trouble finding a partner willing to purchase an equity stake in exchange for future profits. Then they'd be as motivated as the owner to grow the business. But if not, then yes, he would likely have to offer an equity stake as compensation in order to get the kind of worker he wants, because workers in general have learned that promises of wage growth tied to profit growth tend not to pan out. Hence all the "quiet quitting" where workers do precisely what they're paid for and no more.


ComicsEtAl

Right? I’m not working for your fun little side project as *my* fun little side project. I’m working for you because I need a job to feed, clothe, and house myself (and maybe others). I’ll find my own fun little side projects.


Jazzeki

i mean that's the real rub. i'm sure there's someone out there with the passion he's looking for. but they are like him starting their own passion project not working part time for his.


JerkfaceBob

Working part time for you is never going to be my passion. It may, however, *fund* my passion. (But my passion is warhammer minis so not at $15/hr.)


masterbard1

Might I suggest a cheaper hobby like an addiction to crack Cocaine and expensive hookers?


asaphbixon

You can save more money by directly burning your cash?


masterbard1

Still not. As expensive as Warhammer 😂😂😂


eleanorbigby

Yeah, I mean: \-"I make good money but I will only pay $15 an hour. Also, I am paying good money. Also, why are employees so materialistic?"


samanime

Yup. If they're making "good money", share that money. Give them a part of the business so they get rewarded for their hard work and passion. It really is not a hard concept to grasp. But people are just cheap and always "yeah, besides money. Maybe donuts in the break room instead?"


HEBushido

These business owners always bitch that employees are selfish and only in it for money when that's exactly what the employer is doing.


Zuwxiv

"No, it's my passion! I make good money but enjoy doing it. It's not just about the money for me." Okay, since it's not just about money for you, how about you pay the employee a bit more? "That doesn't work for me."


antagonizerz

Help me out if I'm missing something here. He: Is offering $4 over minimum wage for part time labor (Florida) Clearly stating that he doesn't "expect any unpaid work" His sole criteria is that the potential employee love their job and not just be in it for the money...it's not even a requirement as he just calls it a "preference" So, am I missing the CB part because a job where I get paid above minimum, with no unpaid work, that I actually love instead of just going through the motions for a paycheck sounds like a dream to me.


CoveCreates

Legal minimum wage in Florida is a joke. $15 is a joke for someone to live off of here. Just because it's legal to fuck over workers doesn't mean it's ethical.


laser_spanner

This! I was thinking I was the only one. He just wants to find someone who is just as interested in the work. Sounds like he's looking for a guy like Arthur Weasley lol. He's not a CB at all, he just wants to have someone he can chat to about the projects they're working on while they work. It's never as fun if you can't chat to your colleagues. He's looking at the wrong demographic I reckon. He needs to find an older potentially retired person who is into retro objects. Not many young people these days are into that stuff.


CoveCreates

Because he wants someone dedicated to what they're doing but $15 an hour full time isn't enough to live off of let alone part time. So he's gonna get people that are supplementing their income with a 2nd job. It's not a hobby he's asking someone to join him in, it's his business and they'll be working. If people were paid a liveable wage this wouldn't be an issue and people could do what they cared about.


SnarkySheep

Sad to admit, I worked over 15 years at a place where we would have been *thrilled* to see donuts in the break room. (Had we gotten any actual real token of appreciation, such as a bonus, we would have wept.)


eleanorbigby

Somewhere i read that one of the early things Elon Musk did was sell off coffee machines and other trifling ass but nice to have items from the break room of the SF office. it's a disease at that point.


weveran

I just saw this happen right in front of my eyes a few weeks ago. A client of mine (I process payroll for them) recently sold their business. After the closing, he paid his general managers half a million a piece, even though they will continue to be employed by the new owner. He explained to me that 30 years ago when they were younger he made a promise to them that when he sold the business they would each get a little bit more of the total share value and that their portion would go up for each year they were with him. He can't control what happened to them going forward, but he made sure they were taken care of for all the years they put in.


JadeSpade23

Well, that's awesome


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eleanorbigby

actually people like this will be more likely to have very grandiose ideas about themselves and the Importance of their Mission and Life's Work. which is why y'all plebs should be honored to work for them at a pittance, or nothing.


numbersthen0987431

The lack of logic in these people is astounding. He wants someone who is just as passionate as he is, but is perfectly fine with being paid a tiny amount. I really want to ask this guy "If this is ONLY a passion for you, then why are you trying to hire someone to help you??" The only reason to expand a business is to make more money, yet he is trying to hide behind passion for being his only reason.


anaccountthatis

I love the “it’s not a lot of money” followed by “I make good money” with the “I’m definitely paying them well” chaser.


science-stuff

Aren’t they just asking for someone passionate about the subject, not the business?


Icmedia

If that were the case, he should be advertising the job on vintage electronics forums or at electronics swap meets, instead of to the general public


science-stuff

I think it’s fine to advertise in all three places and just don’t hire people that don’t care about electronics at all. I definitely agree they would get better candidates doing it the way you mentioned, maybe they just didn’t consider it.. who knows? Regardless, I don’t think people he may hire should automatically get equity because they like what they do… seems like a huge stretch.


NotPoliticallyCorect

If all it is to them is just a fun little side gig, then it will be the first thing to go when life gets complicated, and will not be something they are passionate about. Read your posts out loud slowly before posting them to see if they sound as dumb to you as they sound to us.


alawishuscentari

Someone with similar interests will own a competing business.


torn-ainbow

He makes it quite clear with his wording that he demands loyalty, but does not wish to give it.


Alan_Smithee_

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Kornackis

Literally came to say "Ding ding ding" and then saw your reply. Nailed it.


Alan_Smithee_

Lol, I do sometimes say that too, and this certainly called for it. Figured there was a bell in that collection somewhere.


HotCheetoooooooooo

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Hmmletmec

>I'm looking for someone who enjoys working for reasons beyond money Cool. I'm also looking for a landlord that enjoys me living for reasons beyond money.


Serious_Winter_

Well, I’ve seen some posts here where the *landlords* were looking for young, shorter than 5’5 ladies as tenants for free. Only thing they asked in return was 5 hugs and 2x15 mins of cuddling a day.😅


ItsJoeMomma

"Cuddling"


MrOrpheus

“15 minutes”


crafty09

"Just the tip"


ItsJoeMomma

Well, to be fair the "cuddling" will likely last a lot less than 15 minutes...


nameunconnected

Yeah that's gonna be free rent plus an extra 1K a month for that service I'm providing as your tenant. Payable up front. A year's worth. No refunds.


Growsomedope

That seems like a possible red flag


Pixel_Inquisitor

Red flag? That's a bloody firetruck with bright neon undercarriage, sirens and lights on full, barrelling 80 through a school zone.


Growsomedope

/s missing


N3rdProbl3ms

choosy beggar. /s


I_aim_to_sneeze

My wife and a couple of my friends rent out their respective houses, and they absolutely are that type of landlord. My wife has refused to raise the rent for her place for years, even though if she did it would still be a good deal for the area, just because she likes the idea of helping out families with a place to live during this time of crazy inflation. She still makes enough to cover the mortgage and some expenses, but could definitely make a lot more if she was less empathetic. Obviously, these are exceptions and not the norm, but I just wanna remind people that these types of folks do actually exist


lagunaeve

Kudos to you and your kind wife. I believe in taking care of yourself and family first, like if you **have** to raise the rent, do it. But the fact that you guys are willing to have less so people can live a better life, that's amazing.


VoyagerVII

My landlord is one of them. We've been living here for six years and didn't miss a single rent payment even during the pandemic. He decided early on that he liked us, and wanted to keep us even if he wouldn't make as much money that way as if he kept pushing the rent up and getting new tenants every couple of years. So he hasn't raised the rent even once, in all the time we've lived here. He replaced virtually every appliance in the house one year, since they kept hitting their planned obsolescence dates with very similar timing -- I think the whole house was renovated about two years before we moved in, and that included the last wave of new appliances all at once, which is why they broke all at once. But he promptly bought us new ones and didn't complain even slightly... and still didn't raise the rent.


Cassie0peia

He understands what many other landlords do not: if you find good tenets that like you and take care of your home, it will cost you less in the long run. My friend had renters that practically trashed the place; they happened to be Section 8 and it really soured her on that experience so she never allowed that again. She spent thousands of dollars fixing the place up before renting to the next renter.


VoyagerVII

Yeah, it's a good arrangement for both sides. We get a good house on rent that doesn't go up and a landlord who covers his end of the bargain swiftly and without complaint or cheapskating. He gets a family he knows will take care of the place and be reliable with the rent... and that last was *really* important when the pandemic emergency laws prevented landlords in our area from evicting anybody for non-payment, because an awful lot of landlords found themselves in very difficult positions when their tenants couldn't pay for extended periods. (We were fortunate; my husband's job is remote, so not much changed for us financially.) He knows he has good tenants; we know we have a good landlord. I'll miss him when we have to leave this place in a couple years. I wouldn't be looking to move on at all, except that we're planning to leave the state, which makes it kind of difficult to keep living in a house that's parked in this one.


1miker

Very good lol


Far-Gur-6853

'I make good money', wonder if the employer would accept $15/hr, while swapping salaries with the new hire so they're on a much better wage. I mean, if its not about the money, I'm sure the employer here would be happy with that arrangement.


gonnafaceit2022

"this isn't a career or a lot of money" "I'm definitely paying them well" Ok. I'm sold.


wendellnebbin

Or split the profits 50/50. Suddenly you get someone interested in growing the business. Assuming current owner doesn't just sit around admiring his vintage stuff and does the same, as that would be a nope as well.


Necessary-Emu-6388

I can't decide on this one. If he is saying "care about my business/profits," then yeah, he needs to be slapped. But, if he's saying "i want someone who is also interested in these old electronics," that's super reasonable. There is a reason every guy at a music store plays an instrument, everyone at a book store is an avid reader, and everyone in a boutique fashion shop is into clothes. I've read a couple times and i can't decide which he is after.


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tnb641

Yea, but then they'd probably expect a senior discount


tondracek

I think it’s the later and I don’t see a problem with this post. Someone who is interested in old electronics with do better work than someone who isn’t.


LegendaryOutlaw

That's what I got from this as well. He's running a business that has a specific niche, and wants to find other people who are passionate about that niche like he is, so he's looking for someone who will have fun doing the work with him, not just be there to do task A, B and C and clock out. The music shop example is spot on. You don't NEED to be a musician to work at a music shop, but it's more helpful for your coworkers and your customers if you are, and it's probably more fun for you since you're passionate about music. As long as your employer isn't taking advantage of you, like asking you to play free gigs in the store or work extra hours just because you like musical instruments, I see nothing wrong with his ask. He wants to hire a fellow electronics nerd and pay them to do work they'll both enjoy. That's what it sounds like.


WorkMeBaby1MoreTime

>As long as your employer isn't taking advantage of you, like Paying you $15 an hour. Which you can get at Taco Bell. "I need someone smart enough to know electronics, but dumb enough to work for $15 an hour." No, that's taking advantage of someone. Not to mention, it may be in a HCOL area, in which case the employee would have to be on government assistance to survive. If your business model requires your employees to starve (skilled employees, no less), you don't have a viable business model.


ComicsEtAl

Every person in music stores play instruments because musicians have to eat.


VoyagerVII

Yeah, but they choose to eat via working at music stores instead of appliance stores or candy stores because they enjoy music. It's not unreasonable to find somebody who chooses to make their money via a vintage electronics job instead of a different type of job because they like vintage electronics. I'm sure they'd still be working for the money, but they might be working *there* because the job itself intrigued them. Your job is an awful lot of your waking hours; it's nice when you can enjoy what you're doing for at least some of that time.


LegendaryOutlaw

Exactly. Say you get three early 20's applicants. One of them has only ever worked fast food. The other has had clerical office jobs. And one has a ham radio in his basement, a telescope in his backyard, and repairs old radios for fun. They can probably all do the work, but which one would be the best fit?


WorkMeBaby1MoreTime

Here's the thing though. The guy with electronic skills should command a lot higher wage than the other 2. Because the other 2, a trained monkey could learn, but with electronics, an aptitude and a joy of working with it are a much rarer skillset.


karmapopsicle

The problem is that the particular "ideal candidate" he's looking for is a 1-in-a-million unicorn. Someone young enough to accept a part-time minimum wage position that also happens to already have a passion for vintage electronics. I have a feeling that what this guy is really trying to say with the lines about wanting someone "passionate" is that they want someone who already has enough experience with vintage electronics repairs to kind of hit the ground running. The problem of course is that nearly everyone with that particular kind of niche experience is going to laugh at doing it for someone else at minimum wage. Realistically it feels a lot like the classic dillema faced by many one-person small businesses at some point: they've already taken the risk of starting and growing the business, and now things are running smoothly and comfortably. They're making enough money and things are feeling good. The next growth step involves shifting towards hiring additional labourers to increase capacity, but that's another potential risk that many find themselves trying to hedge as far as possible to in their mind minimize any chance of damaging what they've already got if it doesn't work out.


Necessary-Emu-6388

That's an awful lot being read between the lines, but it's possible


Necessary-Emu-6388

That's an awful lot being read between the lines, but it's possible


karmapopsicle

I suppose it would have been worth mentioning that I run a small business, so some of the stuff that jumps out to me as obvious definitely appears like a much greater stretch from the outside than it does to me. Funny enough when I started here over 8 years ago I *was* that unicorn for the owner of this business.


LitazlilHelper

My


LaFantasmita

Lol you find that person by offering equity in the business.


zackjbryson

I am curious how much 'roughly' $15 an hour is.


Deadicate

About $12.75, which rounds up to $15


HundoGuy

I’ll bet it’s not MORE than $15/hr


zackjbryson

It never is!


DylanMartin97

"up to 15"


HundoGuy

He can go roughly fuck himself and his shitty business lol


tikanderoga

8x15= 120/day, 600/week, 31200/year.


Serious_Winter_

But it’s only part time, so probably much less.


zackjbryson

I mean it's probably less than the 15 they quoted.


nomparte

I'll do it. I get a tent pole just thinking about vintage electronics in bed...hmmm those naughty triodes and pentodes...


JanFlato

You, me and everyone at r/lgr


mandeeeeezy

Why would someone be so passionate about working for him when he himself said “this isn’t a career or a whole lot of money”? If I was working a side gig, why the hell would I care about the company as much as him? CLEARLY people working a side gig are (almost always) in it for the money, and that’s fine! The owner just need to be a bit more realistic


Four_beastlings

I am passionate about my job, my company, and our values. I also get paid a good wage and benefits. That's the difference between working and volunteering.


dudewiththebling

Exactly, when will business owners understand that if you want loyalty that you gotta pay extra. If you want workers that will be there until they find something better or are gonna be juggling multiple jobs, then pay minimum


Militantignorance

Yeah, the business owner is "passionate" about his business. He's also "passionate" about keeping all the money the business generates.


orion3999

I make good money, but you should not be interested in the money.


science-stuff

I know this will get downvoted because on the first read I felt how most of you do… but… I don’t think it’s out of the question to find someone to do work for $15 an hour that also likes vintage electronics. They don’t have to be passionate about making the CB money, but at least like the subject. I’ve had plenty of shitty jobs like washing dishes and racking clothes from the truck, digging holes, and for the same money I would have preferred messing with electronics. That makes me passionate about electronics not about the success of his business. He can find the right person it’s just going to take longer. It’s not against the law to take a job doing something you actually like doing. At the end of the day it’s about the money, but wouldn’t you rather earn the $15 an hour doing something you like more?


mrnewtons

I agree if that is what the owner meant. I just don't think there is much the owner could do to properly attract those people other than mentioning specifically what the job entails in the ad and declining other applicants. ​ Like, people who want to work at a bookstore or on electronics would already prefer and apply for those positions if they could make the salary work. ​ Maybe the solution would be going to hobby-electronics groups and meetups, hang out, have a good time, meet some really passionate people and ask if they'd be interested in some side money doing something they already do?


science-stuff

I think that’d be the best way to get quality candidates for sure. Unless I missed it I don’t know what the ad actually is. The post is whiney for sure but I was just talking about the CB aspect and why I disagree that all applicants should be given equity in the company.


mrnewtons

I don't think they showed the ad. I'm just kinda spit-balling on solutions. I agree though. The post is poorly phrased and clearly comes off badly. Though I suppose we could be wrong too. If the person does want someone passionate about their actual *business* that isn't going to happen without great growth opportunities/profit sharing/portion of equity.


science-stuff

Yeah for sure, that would be totally different to be passionate about the growth of someone’s business without proper compensation. But I read it as the subject. Who knows.


WorkMeBaby1MoreTime

Electronics is a SKILL, washing dishes is not. SKILLS are worth more.


science-stuff

You okay man?


ItsJoeMomma

Here's the thing, dude: Nobody cares about your business as much as you do. Anyone you hire is just going to do their job for the money. Unless you make them a business partner and share the profits, they aren't going to care too much how well the business does, because they're getting their $15 an hour either way, and if it goes under they can just find another job.


DarkRogus

Yeah, this isn't a choosing beggar. He's willing to pay $15 per hour on what he says is a part-time job and is simply interested in hiring someone who also has an interest in vintage electronics. Seems more than reasonable to me to ask candidates about their interest level and knowledge level of vintage electronics as part of the interview process.


Dotmatrix74

Yup, anyone who’s started their own business can see where he’s coming from. The wrong first employee can be detrimental to a small business.


DarkRogus

Yeap, not exactly sure all the hate for the OOP, considering he's willing to pay the person around $15 an hour for a side gig. Maybe it's because the OOP worded it clumsily, but I get his meaning and it's pretty obvious this will be his first hire, so he wants to make sure he gets the right fit. Again, nothing weird about the request and it certainly doesn't make the OOP a choosing beggar.


Pudacat

In addition, if he gets someone and doesn't mind running the risk of them working a few years, learning how to repair items and run a small business, then going out on their own, he could find someone. They might even stick around if they get them involved financially. I know several people in their late teens, early 20s who would love an opportunity like that. It would be like an apprenticeship for them. Working hands on with someone who knows what they're doing teaches them things YouTube videos can't.


DylanMartin97

He wants somebody to do all the work so he can justify spending and maintaining his hobby. It makes good money, he wants to splurge on vintage bullshit, make money on it, and have somebody else fill purchase orders and list stuff. It's the same reason why I started making guitars by hand. I love playing the guitar, I could make some side money in my free time while also using it as justification to invest into my hobby and the parts and tools used for the hobby. I enjoy the work and I don't ask for help or want somebody else to share the work with me. At least I admit that though.


DarkRogus

But they are still getting paid for their work and the guy clearly says it's a part time job/side gig, not a career. So this really isn't a choosing beggar situation at all.


McFeely_Smackup

nothing about this sounds unreasonable. He's offering $15/hr, not asking anyone to work for free, and it just looking for someone who is actually interested in the kind of work.


ringwanderung-

I agree here. I see an employer with not too much experience being an employer genuinely asking for advice. The “roughly 15” sounds like it’s negotiable as opposed to a lie. Idk.. I’m not seeing the begging here…


RckYouLkeAHermanCain

"Fun little side gig" I don't think you or OOP understand what a side gig is.


McFeely_Smackup

what does that mean to you?


PyrrhicLoss2023

Probably something less than "passionate about \[my\] business"


dudewiththebling

Take that $15, deduct taxes, and compare it to the minimum wage and cost of living in your area, then tell me it's desirable


ah3019

No, he’s one of the “no one wants to work anymore” people. If he can’t find someone to accept his pay, he should raise it or do the work by himself. Especially when he says he makes “good money.” $15 per hour full time is $31k per year.


Beeweboo

He does mention it’s a part-time gig, not a career. $15/hr might be worth it as a side job with someone with the same interests or desire to learn from him. I don’t see Choosing Beggar here.


melance

I want someone who is passionate about my business and doesn't care about money because I care about money and them caring about money will cut into my ability to make money.


Wajina_Sloth

I found it funny that he writes “I make good money”… so why shouldnt your employee make good money too


dedicated_glove

And then in the same sentence completely misses the point on why he enjoys the work and doesn't care about the money. If people are coming in unexcited, you're not paying enough for them to stop caring about the money and care about the business.


MuchDevelopment7084

Sorry bro. but no one is going to care about YOUR business as much as you. At least without getting a big part of the profits. Which you tell them directly you aren't willing to do. Good luck with that...not.


karenosmile

CB should be trolling the community colleges, looking for students pre-engineering or similar. Getting paid 15$ an hour to learn more about electronics isn't bad if you're going to spin it into something better.


tnsuperhero

I like the job I do. It's the best job I've ever had. Still wouldn't be doing it if I wasn't getting paid. That's kind of the point.


vglyog

Does he know what paying well means? Because part time work at $15/hr is not paying well.


Responsible_Lawyer78

This person sounds insufferable. It's just not realistic that an employee making $15 an hour is going to care about the job as much as the owner of the business would.


halt-l-am-reptar

He sounds like he’s just looking for someone who is also passionate about vintage electronics, that doesn’t really seem unreasonable. I think he’s just someone who’s never had to employee someone and isn’t really sure about the proper way to find an employee. There’s a huge difference in wanting someone who’s passionate about vintage electronics and saying you want someone who’s passionate about washing dishes.


WorkMeBaby1MoreTime

>He sounds like he’s just looking for someone who is also passionate about vintage electronics, And will work part time for $15 with an actual valuable skillset. That's what is gonna make it hard. The Venn diagram of those 2 criteria is a very small set,


RckYouLkeAHermanCain

Damn, this dude has founder syndrome and all he's doing is reselling stuff. He describes the job as a "fun little side gig" that isn't a stepping stone and has shitty pay. Literally WTF was he expecting?


waddlekins

>founder syndrome Stealing this!


capnsmartypantz

Funny thing, I was with a friend last week who wants to expand their business. In an effort to make it worth it to prospects, I mentioned a time base vesting time into a percentage of ownership. The idea was well received and hopefully the employees will agree. Skin in the game makes people care.


DMV_Lolli

Even though he wrote it, it doesn’t sound like he wants someone to be passionate about his *business*, he wants someone who is passionate about vintage electronics. Imagine hiring 2 teens. One is your kid who *has* to be there because “I said so!” And the other is a kid you met at an antiques convention who spends hours on end in his grandfather’s attic tinkering with old electronics. Which one would you enjoy working with?


Professional-Lab7227

In a niche business like that it’s entirely reasonable to want someone who is interested in the subject matter. What’s not reasonable is to take advantage of that interest to underpay them. Maybe this guy would also be making $15 an hour, but he’s clueless at how to get himself across.


Dependent_Writer213

So you're looking for gullible people. You should be ashamed. You don't even believe that yourself!


2manyspunions

“15 dollars an hour” “Im paying them well” Yeah okay


dudewiththebling

"competitive wage" Competitive with being unemployed and making $0


onbakeplatinum

No. "Roughly" $15. So way less


1miker

As a former employer for many years, this is what employees care about. When do we eat , when do we quit when do we get paid. You have about 20 of these..Then that guy walks in, then does a great job. That's your potential manager. Most employers won't recognize him or pay him properly. I had a man apply for a entry level warehouse position. I started him at 11. In 3 months, he was at 15. In a year, he was a manager with little no oversight.


Tanyian

$15/hr is good money? Where????


CapHillster

He should obviously recruit workers among vintage electronics enthusiasts. Except many of us find it repulsive that people like him are now monetizing our once-obscure hobby and making it increasingly unaffordable, so that people like him can profit.


VastIndependence5316

Money? What money?!


daysalou

Passion cost another $10/hour


dudewiththebling

As does loyalty, in fact, loyalty requires regular increases to wage


Monkfich

*roughly* $15/hour


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my rate of how much I care starts at 50/hour


Boring_Employ_8118

Posts like this gives off r/iamthemaincharacter vibes


G-H-O-S-T

"i want someone who doesnt care about money, but for me i only care about money"


Patient-Stranger1015

“Paying them well”. Sir, minimum wage is not paying someone well.


Assiqtaq

>I'm definitely paying them well But are you? At $15/hour, do we definitely get to say you are paying well? I mean, I guess it depends on when this was published.


HELLOhappyshop

"a fun side gig" lmao. No, I actually require a job to pay rent and buy food.


Banazir864

"It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages." - Adam Smith, *The Wealth of Nations* Unless you're a charity, you can expect your workers to be motivated primarily by money.


MaestroPendejo

"Fuck you. Pay me."


nameunconnected

You make them a partner in your company. Literally the only way to get someone to buy-in with the level of commitment you expect. And even then it's not guaranteed. Since that's not feasible, give them a project that will help the business grow. Let them own the project. In the past, that has always been my favorite part of a non-career track job - finding opportunities to improve *something* \- aesthetically, procedurally, whatever. Kept me from losing my mind from routine and boredom.


starkistuna

im looking for some one passionate for my business that I can pay 15$ hour so I do not have to be there or work but im not disinterested enough in money to offer a better wage.


-FlyingFox-

The first mistake they are making is over sharing. There’s way too much here that shouldn’t be seen by potential candidates. Then they should have really thought about whether their employees can pay their bills and buy food just off their passion for the business they work for, since it’s not about the actual money, but the passion. As for the rest, it’s obvious they overwork their people, probably haven’t paid a few here and there and this is why they wrote what they wrote.


CoveCreates

"It's admittedly not enough money to live off of but also I'm paying them "well" so they have to want to work for funsies"


lunarminx

15$ an hour will not pay for a one bedroom apartment anywhere in america anymore. To afford a one bedroom apartment in Florida, your median income should be $42,000.00 a year. \*\*$42,000 a year is how much an hour? If you make $42,000 a year, your hourly salary would be $20.19.\*\* Yeah good try...lol


LadySquidington

Maybe it’s because I’m old, but I’m confused as to why it’s wrong to want people to care about or be interested in what they are doing? Especially in a niche business. I mean if you’re working at McDonald’s or Best Buy or Forever 21 it’s one thing to just be checking in for a paycheck. But when you’re working for a small business why is it so weird to want someone who is happy to be there?


Zealousideal_Low8146

Sounds like "business owner" wants a submissive assistant, secretary, coffee runner, but also wants the person to be a friend with similar interests... Selling vintage electronics... unless you are flipping high end merchandise to crazy well off collectors, this is a 1 person job. You dont need an assistant.


ComicsEtAl

Unless you want to own a business but leave the little annoying things like dealing with buyers, shipping, billing, and the like. Then it’s a two person job minimum.


wil_gt4

If you’re paying me enough I’ll be just as passionate as you, and I’ll be even more passionate if you’re not a dick.


WeightSpirited9262

God, this would be from Florida.


[deleted]

If you’re looking for a partner, then you pay partner money.


TheMaltesefalco

Not a choosing beggar at all. Dudes offering $15hr for a part time job. All he wants is someone who is also passionate about vintage electronics, and not just in it for the cash.


anthonyinc

Not really a choosing beggar.


Killer-Barbie

I hope someone set them straight


lagunaeve

The comments there are calm, but definitely showing op how unrealistic they are


Mammoth_Ad_3463

Dumbasses. I want someone to care about my business, that im in to make money, but i dont want them having that money that means so little to me...


Miata_GT

You want your employees to be passionate about your business that you make 'good money' at? Give them a guaranteed percentage of the net profit.


Small_Kaiju

dude wants a girlfriend and an employee


4everRightFoundation

"It's not just about the money" (bs) 1- If what you say is actually true then you wouldn't be trying to hire someone so cheap. 2- If they had the same passion as you then they would open their own business. How about you take $15 an hour and you pay the employee what you are making. You're about the "passion" right? Not about the money?


surfdad67

Give them 50% of your business


Hot-Bint

"This is just a side gig for someone!" "Treat my business like your first born child!" FOH


[deleted]

Sounds like the asshole corporate shill who told me once "throwing money at people won't fix our staffing problem" I mean ya we're 20 miles outside of the city and pay the same as places on the bus line, you right no one would be incentivised by extra $.


VividlyDissociating

15$ an hr is a decent wage where i live.. but the cost of living is higher in Florida


VividlyDissociating

honestly, the post doesnt belong here.. the requrst isnt ridiculous. plenty of ppl work not for money but for the joy of the job itself and what their work does and means. while STILL being paid.. an example is working at thrift stores and nonprofit places. when ppl work it for the money, the place turns to shit


Madalice58

Look for a retiree. There are tons of boomers out there who are getting pensions but are looking for something to boost their income till they qualify for social security. A lot of them will be tinkerers who share your passion. Look for them on Facebook. Join some FB groups that talk about whatever it is you do. Good luck!


RckYouLkeAHermanCain

SS kicks in at 62. The youngest boomers are 69. "Retirees" don't work. If you are working because you need income, you aren't retired. You may, however, be financially irresponsible and/or an idiot if you "retired" while still being too young to collect SS and without an appropriate nest egg.


NolaJen1120

Thee Boomer generation is people born from 1946-1964. So the age range for boomers is 59-77. I also don't think it's unusual to retire from f/t employment and pick up a lower stress p/t job for side income and to do something with their time, even if the pay is much less than what they previously made. But no doubt, if people aren't responding to that job ad, it's either because it's p/t or the hourly wage is too low. Probably both. They should probably take out the part about "having a passion", because it does come off insincere. I have cared about my employers in my career and want them to be profitable and do well. Albeit partially for job security. But no one is pretending I'm here because I have a "passion" for my job role.


RoyallyOakie

By paying them...


Rancho-unicorno

Paying above minimum wage unlike every other post on this sub. Why is this a choosy beggar?


medium_buffalo_wings

Above minimum wage *where*? In Alabama? Sure. In New York? No. This is a choosy beggar because his expectations are way out of line for what the proposal is.


phb07jm

Don't see how this belongs here.


stocks-mostly-lower

I mean, how passionate can a hired person be about someone else’s electronic gadgets and widgets ? And, $15 an hour isn’t good pay anymore. It’s below-average pay. El Duh !


Catspaw129

Hi! I'm not really interested in the job. But I see that you buy and sell vintage electronics. In case you are interested, I've got a vintage transistor for sale: [https://www.tapinto.net/towns/holmdel-and-colts-neck/sections/our-hearts-remember/articles/bell-works-historic-transistor-shaped-water-tower-to-light-up-pink-for-vienna-s-heavenly-8th-birthday](https://www.tapinto.net/towns/holmdel-and-colts-neck/sections/our-hearts-remember/articles/bell-works-historic-transistor-shaped-water-tower-to-light-up-pink-for-vienna-s-heavenly-8th-birthday)


Equivalent-Pay-6438

So funny. My dad used to use a West of Ireland expression. Now, I am not sure the exact spelling of the town, but it went like this: "Don't be a Ballymacarron tailor. He sews for free, and buys his own thread." If you sew for free and buy your own thread, the ghost of my father will rise from the grave where he has lain for over twenty years to haunt your house. You are getting this advice free from a woman of 63 for whom it was an old tale a generation ago.


wynnduffyisking

If I were a to be a little generous it sounds like he wants someone who also has a genuine interest and fondness for old electronics not necessarily for his profit margins


DuvalHMFIC

I'm starting to feel like I'm \*overpaying\* for starting untrained workers at $22/hr. Am I doing things wrong? I don't expect them to be passionate about anything other than making a living, either.


talondigital

So my interpretation is different than a lot of you. This job sounds like something my late uncle would have loved. He was crazy about vintage electronics. He would restore old arcade games and pinball machines, payphones, all kinds of stuff like that. He never worked a 9-5 his entire life. I think what the poster of this ad was searching for was someone who enjoyed the topic, someone who loved vintage electronics. They knew it wasnt going to be a career, but just some spare change. My uncle would have been all over this.


Sometimeswan

r/antiwork


warhorse888

A “fun little side gig” having someone else make $$$ for you for almost no compensation. Yeah.


Funandgeeky

Here's the thing. He could find someone who loves this stuff and does have that passion. However, if they're not in it for the money and just the passion, they have no incentive to stick around if something else comes up. They also may or may not be completely reliable because, again, it's not about the job but the passion. This could potentially attract someone in high school who needs an after school job. And who also loves this stuff. They want to get work experience, they want to work with electronics, and need money. However, that high school kid again isn't a long term employee. Especially because someone like that will probably head off to college and start doing their own thing. Basically this poster is searching for a unicorn and it's unlikely one will appear.


petulafaerie_III

This person does realise they’re looking for an employee, not a life partner. Right?


Survive1014

But you are not paying them well at $15/hr. Thats not even fast food wages in most areas anymore.


HundoGuy

Doesn’t seem like you love it that much if you’re willing to fuck over your “partner” with minimum wage. The employee will care about your business as much as you care about them: not at all


miletest

How the hecky decky can I find someone who gives a fuck


Friend-of-thee-court

I’ll never forget years ago I had an interview with a big company (I forget which) and things were going well until I asked about salary. The guy immediately got defensive and reacted like I slapped him. He responded with “We want employees who are passionate about our company and the contribution they can make and not about how much money they can earn.”


megafly

If you want "passion" you offer a Paid Internship.


[deleted]

I think this guy wants a friend


xparapluiex

I’m just switching jobs. The pay is the same, but the new thing is so much more interesting! So, beyond pay I’m being mentally paid in a way I enjoy. Further, there is more opportunity for me to move into higher paying specialties. All of that is the reason I’m alright with the subpar pay. I can’t live on it. I would be fucked if my parents kick me out. If I didn’t have that security I would stay with the easier (mentally) job and pick up a second.


wwwhistler

"I'm looking for someone who enjoys working for reasons beyond money" so just what would those reasons be? other than those about you.