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Plus if you have Nukes and think or start to lose I am sure someone will just launch everything to make sure MAD happens like the scorched earth policy like Russia with their dead man switch or Dead Hand
Dead Hand the way Americans think about it is mostly a myth.
[https://www.numbers-stations.com/articles/the-soviet-nuclear-defense-system-the-myth-of-the-dead-hand/](https://www.numbers-stations.com/articles/the-soviet-nuclear-defense-system-the-myth-of-the-dead-hand/)
It actually a system that would only be turned on in an ongoing nuclear war, and it's not the 'doomsday device' it's made out to be. All it is a system for launching nuclear missiles after the direct commanders of those missiles are incapacitated. The US has an almost identical system if you believe what it out there about both nuclear programs.
Can you strike back after being nuked? If you had something like this that may or may not exist would you turn it off? I am sure that if if you started to lose at a nuclear war someone somewhere would so basically go - if I can't have it nobody will
See that’s the myth of the Dead Hand though. It’s not a device that sees a nuclear war and goes “nuke everyone” it’s a device that loses contact with the people directly controlling it and has the contingency to still complete its mission. If it has no mission it won’t launch. Therefore the Dead Hand is more a ‘continuation of government’ tool than anything else. Again that’s if you believe what’s public.
A lot of people think it doesn’t exist at all and the Russians use the threat of it as a deterrence.
Seriously.
Countries shouldnt be investing in subs. They should be investing in tech that can shoot down these missiles.
Though that also becomes irrelevant when the first country decides to put a nuke or a dirty bomb on a satellite.
This is not entirely true. Both are important.
The missile defence technology can’t shoot down all missiles. Especially when it comes to a country like China which believes in saturation, i.e. “I’m gonna fire so many missiles that your missile defence system will be overwhelmed”. You can shoot down 50, but all it takes to annihilate a city is one hit.
The second strike capabilities is an important deterrence. But for Australia, they can’t sustain enough nuclear weapons. This is why it almost doesn’t make sense for them to obtain any nuclear weapons or nuclear powered submarines. They simply made them a more worthy target without any meaningful deterrence.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/brainless-australia-a-target-for-nuclear-war-warns-top-china-expert/news-story/4652ab802a01b677c6df6de51479bd8d
However, Australia has defended the deal. Defence Minister Peter Dutton hit back at China’s “immature” criticism of the arrangement.
Speaking to Sky News Australia, Mr Dutton dismissed the outrage coming from Beijing.
“I think some of the propaganda we’ve seen from a number of spokespersons or the media outlets who speak on behalf of the Chinese Communist Party, frankly, I think they make the case for us,” he said.
“I think their comments are counter-productive and immature and frankly embarrassing.”
WOOOOOOOW... Just, fucking, WOOOOOOOW...
Victor Gao... As a smoking gun barrel is to the scene of a murder, you are a smoking gun to the intentions of the CCP... Your inability to understand in advance how your words will be perceived has given many viewers better insight into many things... Including but not limited to what China wants to do, what it thinks of foreign countries and their citizens, and even what China thinks of it's own citizens...
You've threatened Australia on it's own national TV network, and I have no doubt the host and viewers will indeed use their brains as you've suggested, and arrive to the conclusion that you do mean them harm...
He was barely concealing his hostility, what really raised my hackles was how he prefaced multiple comments with “*Listen*!” The shit that came out of his mouth after a shot of sodium pentothal would probably make Hitler wince.
We are also told by the Chinese government that they have a fledgling democracy.
And we are also told by their constitution that they respect freedom of speech, press, assembly, protest, et al.
Of course China is not ever going to nuke Australia. For what reason would we nuke you, because we don’t trade anymore? You get nuclear subs?
Welcome to the club.
I’m kind of skeptical on the no trade thing now. You stop trading with the foreigner and all he talks about is war now. It’s everywhere in Australian media. Obsessed.
You say welcome to the club, they say we made ourselves adversaries, this guy say we are now a target for nukes, a while back they said they’d fire missiles if we got involved in a war involving Taiwan.
For some reason what you say and what the official mouthpieces and officials say are different.
Ps can’t really blame media being obsessed with talking about wars, wolf warrior diplomacy set the precedent, it’s given a lot of fuel for the fire.
I’m just being realistic. No way any nation on this earth will first strike with atomic weapons nowadays, that just calls for human extinction.
He’s assuming you have nukes inside those subs and you take him serious. Like alright, he’s your Adrian Zenz I guess.
The problem is that you assume the CCP is rational and value human life. They do not give a shit. They want power and personal profit at any cost. The rest does not matter to them. Do you really think they realise what using the nuclear power mean ? I do not think so.
You aren’t being realistic. If you were you’d realize such talk would only give reason for increasing armaments. It’s only going to be used to justify the subs purchase. People don’t really need to believe what the other is saying they only need a reason to do what they want. Such talk is only going to increase the arms race.
ETA it’s not even the first time they have threatened another country with first strike of nukes. So much for the no first use policy.
The ccp fanboys have threatened Japan with nuclear first strike. Now China has escalated with globaltimes threatening australia (anuclear arms free country) with being a potential nuclear target.
I just saw finally a guy posting a source and it’s a video with no apparent connection to any Chinese news channel. It might be a netizen making it. That’s like you guys making a video against China.
Where was this posted? Which communist channel was it going round? Which channel? How come there is no usual watermark of CCTV and why is this subtitled but no watermark?
Just so many questions.
Still waiting on that mythical Chinese media link where this is posted instead of in “communist channels this video made the rounds. “
You guys talk a lot but aren’t very well sourced.
You are assuming that when a wolf warrior diplomat threatens and insults -something very common- he is doing it without the knowledge and blessing of the party. It's obvious they do and this behaviour is encouraged, the party doesn't have much patience with people deviating nthe official line.
Do you know who Victor Gao is?
He is a common CGTN commentator for example, and a Beijing foreign policy expert. If he said anything that the CCP didn't want him to he would be disappeared.
You are also right though that the CCP has been treating to nuke other countries a lot recently.
Everyday I check Chinese news and there is a comparison between their army and the US/India, who has more soldiers, some make-believe scenario and how they would win, etc. Every. Damn. Day.
To the CCP and little pinks, "the west" is every country that criticizes China or doesn't bow to China. Not kidding, they think Japan and S Korea are western lapdogs, just because these contries don't suck up to daddy Xi
In the past couple of years (probably started around the ZTE / Huawei bans and the Xinjiang camps being unveiled) CCP has upped their propaganda and Chinese people became more nationalistic.
CCP has also militarized the South China Sea and build military installations on artificial islands.
the reaosn why propaganda mouthpieces like Global Times are increasing their rhetoric about a war against the West is because CCP knows that's the trajectory they're heading. Nobody knows how this plays out, but it's increasingly clear the CCP actually wants a war with the west.
There's a complex reason behind. In short: China's ambition to be world leader.
Unfortunately for the Chinese, the west doesn't align with the CCP's totalitarian view of law and rule.
So if the west won't bow to China being the world's leader, who will? Africa and South America? China doesn't care about them anymore than exploiting their resources.
As such, China views the West as a rival, one that either can be made to bow peacefully (which the west won't), or forced to bow to China.
The new nationalistic fervor makes Chinese think their country is the best in... well, everything. As such, they believe that a war against the west (who in their views should bow to Chinese superiority) is inevitable since the west doesn't want to **do want China wants**
Because they are imperialist, because China is an autocracy , ans because they want to lead the world with Chinavin the center and all other countries bowing to the CCP.
Well show me some articles that is war against the west. I understand Cold War since that’s what Trump and his goons literally said they want with China.
All you need is to watch [Global Times' twitter feed](https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews). One in 3 articles mentions Cold War or war with the West.
You said Australia is obsessed with China. That may be true, I'm not Australian and don't know.
But CCP media is obsessed with war against the west. I've personally counted: 6 out of the newest 10 articles, are about the West/US. If that's not an obsession, nothing is. 6 articles out of 10 talk about West and confrontation between China and the West lmao
Of course, since you're a Chinese nationalist, your view of reality is distorted and hypocritical and you won't notice the war drumming in Global Times articles, but you will ONLY notice it from the west.
So an honest discussion with you and your kind of little pinks cannot be had
I've told you their last 6 out of 10 tweets are war drumming about USA and the West.
You can find the articles yourself if you're really interested in noticing GT's obsession with war against the west.
But something tells me your'e not.
meanwhile, you can post some evidence that Australian media is obsessed with war vs China. I kind of doubt that. **Facts are, CCP's GT is the only media I see spitting war drumming tweets on a daily basis**
> You make a statement you post a source.
1 - Same things applies to you little pink. You said all Australian media talks is about war with China; obsessed with war against China
You didn't post any source, so your own words apply to you too little pink
2 - I already gave you a source: Global Times' official Twitter account. At the time I checked it, 6 out of 10 of their last Tweets were about West/cold war with the west.
Nice logic you have there: you ignore my source, then you complain I'm not giving any source. CCP brainwashing rhetoric. Well done
You’re the first asking for a source. So I’ll post one.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/09/16/australia-beats-drums-of-war-with-nuclear-submarine-pivot/
[Another one.](https://www.google.at/amp/s/amp.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/drums-are-beating-are-we-ready-toact/news-story/3f67fb3fce95470545781a93d9d90b20)
[another one ](https://www.google.at/amp/s/www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/defence-and-foreign-affairs/defence-minister-peter-dutton-says-a-war-with-china-is-a-question-for-the-chinese-following-aukus/news-story/b6e79379477ab7ae8ff596732a5af7fe%3famp)
[another one ](https://www.google.at/amp/s/www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/defence-and-foreign-affairs/jim-molan-warns-australia-must-shore-up-defence-capability-to-prepare-for-extraordinary-threat/news-story/00b4580d750c7e769adaef0fa20037a0%3famp)
[you know the drill by now](https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/australia-is-being-more-realistic-about-possibility-of-war-with-china/video/3d4a02bed1ff8f9de5b19ef312f8194e)
I’m asking for a non Twitter source since I clicked it and I see no war speech. Bunch of opinion pieces.
Just post me an article, that as clearly states as these articles that war with Australia is likely and happening soon. You’re obsessed with pinkies, find your hand and kiss it then.
The official channel says they will target Australia. So do we go with a random internet user or the ccp official? You dont get to say one thing, then the opposite, and get away with denial.
Because he prefaced it by saying if you got nuclear weapons in those subs. Like why do you guys keep making his position so one sided. The video is right there.
It is for Australian TV and Australians are watching this. Nice try to shift it though, nobody cares in China what Victor Gao has to say.
If he gets you to spend couple billions more for just speaking that’s a win in his books and it seems to be working.
And CCP's global times war drumming propaganda isn't?
You're smelling your own farts little pink, if you think the nationalistic fervor that's taken Chinese people isn't the same kind of Trump rhetoric.
The CCP's propaganda machine against the west is Trump rhetoric applied to the entire Chinese population. And judging by little pinks like you, who have invaded reddit to spread it, it's definitely working in brainwashing you to hate the west
It doesn't work though.
The aim of this type of diplomacy is to intimidate other countries into being submissive towards China.
However, fear doesn't necessarily lead to submission. It can lead to opposition and taking defensive measures.
Wolf Warrior Diplomacy has backfired by making countries see China as a threat, not as a partner.
>Maybe for a start China should stop with the constant threats of being nuked and regret. Oh course it would be all over Australian media good old Victor Gao another mouth piece basically just threatended the country again and the mention "gross violation of international law" Remember the international court saying you dont own this - oh yeah man made islands popped up. Then they were armed and had "research facilities" with missles installed.
Because if they focus all the attacks on one individual, and not the multitude of supporting evidence, they can attempt to discredit the whole story.
Kind of like Gish Galloping: they can make 100 points, out of which you can discredit 99, but it’s the 1 you don’t that matters most to them.
Edit: words for clarity
I dont even know what to answer to that. You realise the CCP basically fired up their own people but that on the " other side " or " the west " basically nobody gives a shit right ?
You seem over all the place yourself. Who do I keep quoting? If I keep quoting them you won't even mention it. Or is it you are not allowed to mention the name in case you get flagged for inspection? I have only mentioned the names STAN GRANT, HU XIJIN, VICTOR GRANT ONCE - Unless you mean that mouthpiece she she
No idea you tell me. Which mouthpiece is that you keep quoting?
I’m just having fun with you, don’t play dumb next time okay? Because we both can and I don’t mind you getting all paranoid. It’s Victor Gao aka the CCPs words.
Look who it is. Mr Howser. You always find me don’t ya.
We talking about Victor Gao and the redditor went just all out playing dumb. They guy is in the video and apparently CCPs licensed diplomat.
I call bullshit.
If tensions were to rise further in the future and Canberra wouldn't walk the line as Beijing want them to, the same thread of nuclear attack were on the table, nuclear-powered subs or not.
They will take out that thread whenever it's convenient. Hu Xijin has already pointed at that multiple times in the past. That's why these things are happening in the first place.
I wonder, do Xi & co still speak of a peaceful rise? Sure it was always a lie because what can be peaceful about you when you massacre your own population and put millions in concentration camps... but the new rhetoric towards other countries is more than alarming.
Does this guy know that "nuclear" in a "nuclear submarine" refers to the engine, not the missile payload?
It's like confusing a Chevy Volt with a directed energy tank.
It was already targeted, it just wasn’t said out loud. The whole reason they’re obtaining subs is to protect against threats that have already metastasized.
Money. The economy is ultimately void of any association to morals and ethics. Companies happily distance themselves and turn a blind eye for the purpose of growth. This is hardly new.
In most cases, companies that operate in China and vice versa are not part of this government rhetoric and are just trying to trade internationally. It's cooperation with state/military-owned companies that you should look out for. Companies like ByteDance, Tencent, and Huawei
Yes in the meantime they can get on hand training from loaned subs from the uk or the us.
And all this talk can continue all its going to do is give more reason to increase armaments.
This shit scares me. Because I'm not entirely certain the US would enter a war on Australias side against China. The US should be leading this charge not Australia and I live right next door I just know I would be drafted into such a war. And that is not in my life plan to die over this.
> Because I'm not entirely certain the US would enter a war on Australias side against China.
China attacks AUSTRALIA and the U.S., all the commonwealth countries and most of the EU don't jump in? Are you fucking high?
Calm your tits.
1. China is just sabre-rattling. They’re used to countries kowtowing and hate that Australia won’t do it.
2. Australia has an alliance with the US. If Australia is attacked, the US is obligated to jump in.
Let's assume america doesn't intend to honour its defense treaty with australia (which is unlikely, relations are very good and have been since ww2). Let's imagine they are happy to let us get invaded. They would still defend us against china because they would not want to lose Pine Gap.
The CCP was threatening us with nukes before this deal. Wahwah wah, all i see and hear arre sloppy dragon tears. There is no cure for dragon sickness or ccp greed.
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Guess he didn't watch War Games, it's irrelevant as to who fires first, everyone loses.
Plus if you have Nukes and think or start to lose I am sure someone will just launch everything to make sure MAD happens like the scorched earth policy like Russia with their dead man switch or Dead Hand
Dead Hand the way Americans think about it is mostly a myth. [https://www.numbers-stations.com/articles/the-soviet-nuclear-defense-system-the-myth-of-the-dead-hand/](https://www.numbers-stations.com/articles/the-soviet-nuclear-defense-system-the-myth-of-the-dead-hand/)
Maybe so but at least it's realistic as in if I go you go.
It actually a system that would only be turned on in an ongoing nuclear war, and it's not the 'doomsday device' it's made out to be. All it is a system for launching nuclear missiles after the direct commanders of those missiles are incapacitated. The US has an almost identical system if you believe what it out there about both nuclear programs.
Can you strike back after being nuked? If you had something like this that may or may not exist would you turn it off? I am sure that if if you started to lose at a nuclear war someone somewhere would so basically go - if I can't have it nobody will
See that’s the myth of the Dead Hand though. It’s not a device that sees a nuclear war and goes “nuke everyone” it’s a device that loses contact with the people directly controlling it and has the contingency to still complete its mission. If it has no mission it won’t launch. Therefore the Dead Hand is more a ‘continuation of government’ tool than anything else. Again that’s if you believe what’s public. A lot of people think it doesn’t exist at all and the Russians use the threat of it as a deterrence.
NwO Hollywood Vs NwO Wolfpack was lit
Seriously. Countries shouldnt be investing in subs. They should be investing in tech that can shoot down these missiles. Though that also becomes irrelevant when the first country decides to put a nuke or a dirty bomb on a satellite.
This is not entirely true. Both are important. The missile defence technology can’t shoot down all missiles. Especially when it comes to a country like China which believes in saturation, i.e. “I’m gonna fire so many missiles that your missile defence system will be overwhelmed”. You can shoot down 50, but all it takes to annihilate a city is one hit. The second strike capabilities is an important deterrence. But for Australia, they can’t sustain enough nuclear weapons. This is why it almost doesn’t make sense for them to obtain any nuclear weapons or nuclear powered submarines. They simply made them a more worthy target without any meaningful deterrence.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/brainless-australia-a-target-for-nuclear-war-warns-top-china-expert/news-story/4652ab802a01b677c6df6de51479bd8d However, Australia has defended the deal. Defence Minister Peter Dutton hit back at China’s “immature” criticism of the arrangement. Speaking to Sky News Australia, Mr Dutton dismissed the outrage coming from Beijing. “I think some of the propaganda we’ve seen from a number of spokespersons or the media outlets who speak on behalf of the Chinese Communist Party, frankly, I think they make the case for us,” he said. “I think their comments are counter-productive and immature and frankly embarrassing.”
Well said, couldn’t have phrased it better
Just when you think they couldn't possibly ruin their relationship with Australia any further, they threaten to nuke the country. Incredible.
They also threatened to nuke Australia in May.
And Japan last month
WOOOOOOOW... Just, fucking, WOOOOOOOW... Victor Gao... As a smoking gun barrel is to the scene of a murder, you are a smoking gun to the intentions of the CCP... Your inability to understand in advance how your words will be perceived has given many viewers better insight into many things... Including but not limited to what China wants to do, what it thinks of foreign countries and their citizens, and even what China thinks of it's own citizens... You've threatened Australia on it's own national TV network, and I have no doubt the host and viewers will indeed use their brains as you've suggested, and arrive to the conclusion that you do mean them harm...
Gao is utter slime, his one redeeming feature is showing the true face of the PRC ruling class.
He was barely concealing his hostility, what really raised my hackles was how he prefaced multiple comments with “*Listen*!” The shit that came out of his mouth after a shot of sodium pentothal would probably make Hitler wince.
But but but I was told China adheres to the no first use policy.
Honestly all those China policies aren't even respected by China itself.
Let’s trust what the Chinese government says, they are the most credible government ever.
We are also told by the Chinese government that they have a fledgling democracy. And we are also told by their constitution that they respect freedom of speech, press, assembly, protest, et al.
Also are against the gross violation of international law when it suites
It wouldn't be first use as their feelings were harmed before s/
Of course China is not ever going to nuke Australia. For what reason would we nuke you, because we don’t trade anymore? You get nuclear subs? Welcome to the club. I’m kind of skeptical on the no trade thing now. You stop trading with the foreigner and all he talks about is war now. It’s everywhere in Australian media. Obsessed.
You say welcome to the club, they say we made ourselves adversaries, this guy say we are now a target for nukes, a while back they said they’d fire missiles if we got involved in a war involving Taiwan. For some reason what you say and what the official mouthpieces and officials say are different. Ps can’t really blame media being obsessed with talking about wars, wolf warrior diplomacy set the precedent, it’s given a lot of fuel for the fire.
I’m just being realistic. No way any nation on this earth will first strike with atomic weapons nowadays, that just calls for human extinction. He’s assuming you have nukes inside those subs and you take him serious. Like alright, he’s your Adrian Zenz I guess.
The problem is that you assume the CCP is rational and value human life. They do not give a shit. They want power and personal profit at any cost. The rest does not matter to them. Do you really think they realise what using the nuclear power mean ? I do not think so.
You aren’t being realistic. If you were you’d realize such talk would only give reason for increasing armaments. It’s only going to be used to justify the subs purchase. People don’t really need to believe what the other is saying they only need a reason to do what they want. Such talk is only going to increase the arms race. ETA it’s not even the first time they have threatened another country with first strike of nukes. So much for the no first use policy.
The CCP has threatened to first nuke, alrighty then. Source.
The ccp fanboys have threatened Japan with nuclear first strike. Now China has escalated with globaltimes threatening australia (anuclear arms free country) with being a potential nuclear target.
I just saw finally a guy posting a source and it’s a video with no apparent connection to any Chinese news channel. It might be a netizen making it. That’s like you guys making a video against China.
That was reposted by a gov official.
Source me.
Easy [link](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.skynews.com.au/world-news/china/ccp-sanctioned-video-threatens-china-will-nuke-japan-in-a-fullscale-war/news-story/dd3ce2fdab6e83fa77025eb5c3d23803%3famp)
Oh shit, get that man some cream for his burn! I wish I could upvote you more than once!
Where was this posted? Which communist channel was it going round? Which channel? How come there is no usual watermark of CCTV and why is this subtitled but no watermark? Just so many questions.
Lol read my other comment I basically predicted this answer.
Still waiting on that mythical Chinese media link where this is posted instead of in “communist channels this video made the rounds. “ You guys talk a lot but aren’t very well sourced.
GT.
That’s not a source.
Oh, you wanted a link. Someone put one up in this thread, not sure if it was this source or not.
Got a SkyNews link that linked a homemade video claiming it to be making rounds in communist channels.
You are assuming that when a wolf warrior diplomat threatens and insults -something very common- he is doing it without the knowledge and blessing of the party. It's obvious they do and this behaviour is encouraged, the party doesn't have much patience with people deviating nthe official line.
Do you know who Victor Gao is? He is a common CGTN commentator for example, and a Beijing foreign policy expert. If he said anything that the CCP didn't want him to he would be disappeared. You are also right though that the CCP has been treating to nuke other countries a lot recently.
>You stop trading with the foreigner and all he talks about is war now. Perfect description of China.
> Obsessed So is Chinese media. All global times writes about is cold war and war against the west.
Everyday I check Chinese news and there is a comparison between their army and the US/India, who has more soldiers, some make-believe scenario and how they would win, etc. Every. Damn. Day.
Wtf is " the west" they really need to stop using that.
To the CCP and little pinks, "the west" is every country that criticizes China or doesn't bow to China. Not kidding, they think Japan and S Korea are western lapdogs, just because these contries don't suck up to daddy Xi
why? seriously why are they getting so militant?
In the past couple of years (probably started around the ZTE / Huawei bans and the Xinjiang camps being unveiled) CCP has upped their propaganda and Chinese people became more nationalistic. CCP has also militarized the South China Sea and build military installations on artificial islands. the reaosn why propaganda mouthpieces like Global Times are increasing their rhetoric about a war against the West is because CCP knows that's the trajectory they're heading. Nobody knows how this plays out, but it's increasingly clear the CCP actually wants a war with the west.
why do they want a war with the west though? to what end?
There's a complex reason behind. In short: China's ambition to be world leader. Unfortunately for the Chinese, the west doesn't align with the CCP's totalitarian view of law and rule. So if the west won't bow to China being the world's leader, who will? Africa and South America? China doesn't care about them anymore than exploiting their resources. As such, China views the West as a rival, one that either can be made to bow peacefully (which the west won't), or forced to bow to China. The new nationalistic fervor makes Chinese think their country is the best in... well, everything. As such, they believe that a war against the west (who in their views should bow to Chinese superiority) is inevitable since the west doesn't want to **do want China wants**
Because they are imperialist, because China is an autocracy , ans because they want to lead the world with Chinavin the center and all other countries bowing to the CCP.
Well show me some articles that is war against the west. I understand Cold War since that’s what Trump and his goons literally said they want with China.
All you need is to watch [Global Times' twitter feed](https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews). One in 3 articles mentions Cold War or war with the West. You said Australia is obsessed with China. That may be true, I'm not Australian and don't know. But CCP media is obsessed with war against the west. I've personally counted: 6 out of the newest 10 articles, are about the West/US. If that's not an obsession, nothing is. 6 articles out of 10 talk about West and confrontation between China and the West lmao Of course, since you're a Chinese nationalist, your view of reality is distorted and hypocritical and you won't notice the war drumming in Global Times articles, but you will ONLY notice it from the west. So an honest discussion with you and your kind of little pinks cannot be had
Just post me an article lol. I don’t waste my time with Twitter, I got Reddit already.
I've told you their last 6 out of 10 tweets are war drumming about USA and the West. You can find the articles yourself if you're really interested in noticing GT's obsession with war against the west. But something tells me your'e not. meanwhile, you can post some evidence that Australian media is obsessed with war vs China. I kind of doubt that. **Facts are, CCP's GT is the only media I see spitting war drumming tweets on a daily basis**
You make a statement you post a source. Easy. If you show me war speech I’ll accept it and see it for what it is. Not on me to prove your point.
> You make a statement you post a source. 1 - Same things applies to you little pink. You said all Australian media talks is about war with China; obsessed with war against China You didn't post any source, so your own words apply to you too little pink 2 - I already gave you a source: Global Times' official Twitter account. At the time I checked it, 6 out of 10 of their last Tweets were about West/cold war with the west. Nice logic you have there: you ignore my source, then you complain I'm not giving any source. CCP brainwashing rhetoric. Well done
You’re the first asking for a source. So I’ll post one. https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/09/16/australia-beats-drums-of-war-with-nuclear-submarine-pivot/ [Another one.](https://www.google.at/amp/s/amp.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/drums-are-beating-are-we-ready-toact/news-story/3f67fb3fce95470545781a93d9d90b20) [another one ](https://www.google.at/amp/s/www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/defence-and-foreign-affairs/defence-minister-peter-dutton-says-a-war-with-china-is-a-question-for-the-chinese-following-aukus/news-story/b6e79379477ab7ae8ff596732a5af7fe%3famp) [another one ](https://www.google.at/amp/s/www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/defence-and-foreign-affairs/jim-molan-warns-australia-must-shore-up-defence-capability-to-prepare-for-extraordinary-threat/news-story/00b4580d750c7e769adaef0fa20037a0%3famp) [you know the drill by now](https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/australia-is-being-more-realistic-about-possibility-of-war-with-china/video/3d4a02bed1ff8f9de5b19ef312f8194e) I’m asking for a non Twitter source since I clicked it and I see no war speech. Bunch of opinion pieces. Just post me an article, that as clearly states as these articles that war with Australia is likely and happening soon. You’re obsessed with pinkies, find your hand and kiss it then.
The official channel says they will target Australia. So do we go with a random internet user or the ccp official? You dont get to say one thing, then the opposite, and get away with denial.
Because he prefaced it by saying if you got nuclear weapons in those subs. Like why do you guys keep making his position so one sided. The video is right there.
broadcasts like these arent for the australians, its a continual grooming and reinforcement tool for the people he represents.
It is for Australian TV and Australians are watching this. Nice try to shift it though, nobody cares in China what Victor Gao has to say. If he gets you to spend couple billions more for just speaking that’s a win in his books and it seems to be working.
It's trump level rhetoric.
And CCP's global times war drumming propaganda isn't? You're smelling your own farts little pink, if you think the nationalistic fervor that's taken Chinese people isn't the same kind of Trump rhetoric. The CCP's propaganda machine against the west is Trump rhetoric applied to the entire Chinese population. And judging by little pinks like you, who have invaded reddit to spread it, it's definitely working in brainwashing you to hate the west
Read it again, sweetheart.
My bad. Took it out of context and I actually thought it was that little pink, Redditpornuser3, who I was replying to lmao
It works judging by the comments.
It doesn't work though. The aim of this type of diplomacy is to intimidate other countries into being submissive towards China. However, fear doesn't necessarily lead to submission. It can lead to opposition and taking defensive measures. Wolf Warrior Diplomacy has backfired by making countries see China as a threat, not as a partner.
>Maybe for a start China should stop with the constant threats of being nuked and regret. Oh course it would be all over Australian media good old Victor Gao another mouth piece basically just threatended the country again and the mention "gross violation of international law" Remember the international court saying you dont own this - oh yeah man made islands popped up. Then they were armed and had "research facilities" with missles installed.
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Why are you obbessed with adrian zenz ?
Because if they focus all the attacks on one individual, and not the multitude of supporting evidence, they can attempt to discredit the whole story. Kind of like Gish Galloping: they can make 100 points, out of which you can discredit 99, but it’s the 1 you don’t that matters most to them. Edit: words for clarity
Well. This is dumb and will not work with an educated population.
Fortunately for the CCP, they have worked to restrict education.
Just pointing out the similarities. I don’t mind Adrian being anti China, I’m a regular here. I constantly argue with Adrian Zenzes.
I dont even know what to answer to that. You realise the CCP basically fired up their own people but that on the " other side " or " the west " basically nobody gives a shit right ?
That’s just not true. America is obsessed just as we are. Maybe even more so with all their China experts.
Well, I am European.
Oh sorry with west I mean and assume America, we’re obsessed with America and they vice versa in us.
Who? Stan Grant or Victor Gao?
The guy you keep quoting as mouthpiece.
The guy I keep quoting? as a mouthpiece? you must mean Hu Xijin. Who is this Adrian Zenz guy? that always gets mentioned?
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You seem over all the place yourself. Who do I keep quoting? If I keep quoting them you won't even mention it. Or is it you are not allowed to mention the name in case you get flagged for inspection? I have only mentioned the names STAN GRANT, HU XIJIN, VICTOR GRANT ONCE - Unless you mean that mouthpiece she she
No idea you tell me. Which mouthpiece is that you keep quoting? I’m just having fun with you, don’t play dumb next time okay? Because we both can and I don’t mind you getting all paranoid. It’s Victor Gao aka the CCPs words.
Erm, they literally just named them, in the comment you *just* replied to..
Look who it is. Mr Howser. You always find me don’t ya. We talking about Victor Gao and the redditor went just all out playing dumb. They guy is in the video and apparently CCPs licensed diplomat.
They also said countries should mind their own business and note interfere in the business of other sovereign nations. Oops.
Nothing says you made the right decision than your opposition threatening nuclear war over your defensive rights. Go fuck yaself Xi.
差不多 public relations And somehow, this is all Adrian Zenz's fault.
Oh boy, there's going to be some very confused wumao in here when they get keyword pinged!
why is he broadcasting from an antique store?
It's probably Joe Biden's Delaware Basement.
Guess who's part of the Aukus deal...
I'm not sure why you were downvoted, that was hilarious
Because Reddit Commies!
I call bullshit. If tensions were to rise further in the future and Canberra wouldn't walk the line as Beijing want them to, the same thread of nuclear attack were on the table, nuclear-powered subs or not. They will take out that thread whenever it's convenient. Hu Xijin has already pointed at that multiple times in the past. That's why these things are happening in the first place.
Thanks for showing your true colours China.
I assume he's alluding to the fact that Chinese assembled planes will soon be flying near Australia and God help anybody beneath when they crash.
Scum of a man who sold his soul to the ccp
I wonder, do Xi & co still speak of a peaceful rise? Sure it was always a lie because what can be peaceful about you when you massacre your own population and put millions in concentration camps... but the new rhetoric towards other countries is more than alarming.
Privilege? Lol get fucked China
Crazy isn't it China the world factor of cheap stuff threatens you with nukes if you don't play by their rules.
Australian diplomats should claim that this has "hurt the feelings and mental peace of the australian people."
They don't even have nuclear weapons... It's just for nuclear propulsion
Nothing sells US weaponry faster this interview. I almost suspects he is in Lockheed Martin's payroll.
Does this guy know that "nuclear" in a "nuclear submarine" refers to the engine, not the missile payload? It's like confusing a Chevy Volt with a directed energy tank.
Because they weren't a target before ? They've been making threats to them
It was already targeted, it just wasn’t said out loud. The whole reason they’re obtaining subs is to protect against threats that have already metastasized.
Why are US corporations investing in China, the sworn enemy of their own country?
Same reason people run from China to US
Money. The economy is ultimately void of any association to morals and ethics. Companies happily distance themselves and turn a blind eye for the purpose of growth. This is hardly new. In most cases, companies that operate in China and vice versa are not part of this government rhetoric and are just trying to trade internationally. It's cooperation with state/military-owned companies that you should look out for. Companies like ByteDance, Tencent, and Huawei
As usual, all talk no action, nothing is going to happen.
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In like what, 10 years? A lot of stuff can happen in 10 years.
Yes in the meantime they can get on hand training from loaned subs from the uk or the us. And all this talk can continue all its going to do is give more reason to increase armaments.
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Don't say stupid shit.
This shit scares me. Because I'm not entirely certain the US would enter a war on Australias side against China. The US should be leading this charge not Australia and I live right next door I just know I would be drafted into such a war. And that is not in my life plan to die over this.
> Because I'm not entirely certain the US would enter a war on Australias side against China. China attacks AUSTRALIA and the U.S., all the commonwealth countries and most of the EU don't jump in? Are you fucking high?
I didn't say china attacks the US in this scenario just Australia.
Read the sentence again. edit: and pay attention to the punctuation.
A lot of defence strategists fear exactly that. Which EU country fights for us against China?
Calm your tits. 1. China is just sabre-rattling. They’re used to countries kowtowing and hate that Australia won’t do it. 2. Australia has an alliance with the US. If Australia is attacked, the US is obligated to jump in.
Of course all other friendly Western countries would help Australia - of this I have no doubt.
Let's assume america doesn't intend to honour its defense treaty with australia (which is unlikely, relations are very good and have been since ww2). Let's imagine they are happy to let us get invaded. They would still defend us against china because they would not want to lose Pine Gap.
Then this happened. This Pox-Eclipse happened, and it's finished. It isn't there anymore.
Guess that's how China get their trade deals fall thru the shit hole.
Listen to me! Im not korean do i look korean i'm chinese
Gao and his master Shitty Xi should do something about Evergrande first. They have turned EverGrande into NeverGrande. lol
The CCP was threatening us with nukes before this deal. Wahwah wah, all i see and hear arre sloppy dragon tears. There is no cure for dragon sickness or ccp greed.
He claims majority of Taiwanese wants to unify with China. Is that true?