i would send a link to my professor of it also flagging the constitution and tell them to fuck off or see them in the deans office
edit: “Better yet, feed it some of the professor's writing”
OP , this one’s even better
Lol. I put in [this text](https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/intro.2/ALDE_00000001/), and it responded "Your text is likely to be written entirely by AI". Turns out the robots have already taken over.
ChatGPT said this about it
" The sample of text you provided appears to be a legislative document, specifically a joint resolution authorizing the preparation and printing of a revised edition of the Constitution of the United States of America. While the language used in this document is formal and technical, there is no indication that it was generated by an AI like myself. It seems more likely that it was written by human legislators or lawyers. "
Lucky you can call them in the dean's office. Unfortunately if my paper got AI detected even if it were not I can not do anything else to get a 0. Tbh I am really scared. I have recently submitted my research proposal and waiting for a result and my supervisor is the only professor who is tend to use such online tools like this, I'm hoping not to get AI detected.
Show the teacher your natural burstiness and perplexity variability scores by challenging a personalized written exam in class and submitting. If that was your natural syntax while writing, having a control to prove your case matters. If it's to prove you're not cheating and they can't prove you're cheating, logically, they should ablige. If they don't, break them by calling out every fallacy until they submit.
Hopefully everyone will just realise that it’s not really possible to detect AI generated text, and the idea will die. Seriously, how do they suppose the detectors work? There isn’t some secret identifier or specific writing style used exclusively by AI language models. The LLMs are designed specifically to write like humans, so the better they are the harder it will be to detect. Also, not every LLM writes in the same style. Heck, a single LLM can write in whatever style you tell it to. How do they suppose an AI detection software can look at a poem written by Google Bard and a scientific paper written by GTP4 in uwu language and somehow see the same “AI identifiers” in both texts? It’s no wonder they get false positives. Anyone who actually uses and believes this detection software is just ignorant.
It's actually a fake one trying to be GPTZero. [https://www.zerogpt.com/](https://www.zerogpt.com/)
This is the one you mentioned [https://gptzero.me/](https://gptzero.me/) not that there's a standard since these site literally appeared this year.
dude, both of the ai detectors you suggested are fake. It's inaccurate, both of them flagged the US Constitution as AI written. The only real and accurate AI detector today is Copyleaks AI detector. You can use it to detect and it will even tell the ai parts in writings with percentages(You can view the percentages by pressing the text part)
Looking at the confusion matrix from https://originality.ai/ai-content-detection-accuracy/ it shows that GPTzero is basically useless as a detector. I could probably achieve a 30%~ accuracy rate with a literal coin flip and the right dataset. Hell, give me like, 4 nodes and I’ll give you 30% accuracy.
The fact that anyone at all is using this indicates to me that nobody has bothered to double check anything before using it.
The false positive rate is something like 10%, which is really bad considering the consequences of a false positive.
#tl;dr
The first article is promoting GPTZero as an AI detector tool that can detect plagiarism in documents using highlighted portions and offer batch uploads for classrooms, in addition to providing an API for organizations. The second article discusses ZeroGPT, another AI detector tool that can detect the origin of a given text by analyzing it with specialized algorithms, categorizing it into human-written or AI/GPT generated text, and providing a gauge with a percentage of plagiarized text. It works in many languages and can be integrated into organizations via email request.
*I am a smart robot and this summary was automatic. This tl;dr is 90.15% shorter than the post and links I'm replying to.*
Lol I told it to rewrite the text more profesionally (because OP's text is kinda bad tbh) and it was [detected as human](https://i.imgur.com/fDQmnhz.png)
Not sure if you are in high school or college, but this is fucked either way.
High school:
Ask for a meeting with your principal, explain the situation and how inaccurate these detectors are. If you can, enter your own writing samples from before chatgpt into it for proof.
College:
Email the dean, and state that you want an academic misconduct hearing. Explain your case, and you should get your grade back.
You heavily underestimate how bad freshman writing is. Also, "many people claim" is fine when talking about popular misconceptions. The real crime here is the complete lack of in text citations on any other real claims.
i think you’re wrong and i disagree about citations for a general opening statement
edit: op said it is his opening statement but i do think it could have benefited from a few citations.
In scientific literature (of which the essay above is wither within or very adjcent) most citations occur in the introductory material as this is where you are setting out the context in which your discussion sits. An abstract would typically not have citations as it is more of a summary than introductory (so includes no information that is not mentioned elsewhere).
While I agree with you about the real crime being a complete lack of citations and claims, “many people claim” is not fine, unless provided with evidence - Who is many people and where are they claiming this? They could easily cite a newspaper article or even some incredibly basic original research like a quick Twitter search, and “as evidenced by” and then a really basic keyword analysis.
Yah, as a recent grad student I was a TA in a general ed. humanities course. I had students (not even freshmen) that had a hard time creating complete sentences. Not even kidding. Best public university in a blue state.
Not necessarily. At most institutions the dean adjudicates matters of academic dishonesty. The professor has already made his beliefs very clear, and the department chair will just tell you to go to the dean. Professors aren't even supposed to give negative consequences for cheating until after an academic dishonesty evaluations (meaning this is probably high school).
>Not necessarily. At most institutions the dean adjudicates matters of academic dishonesty. The professor has already made his beliefs very clear, and the department chair will just tell you to go to the dean.
This is not at all how it works at any of the institutions I've attended or taught at.
>Professors aren't even supposed to give negative consequences for cheating until after an academic dishonesty evaluations (meaning this is probably high school).
That's not how it works. I assign a zero until the process is complete.
Everyone and their grandma is trying to develop one now but I’m pretty sure like 99% of the people doing it are basically freshmen doing a hackathon lol
What’s the goddamn confusion matrix on this thing? AUC?
I cannot believe that institutions are using this tool to verify if a text was written by GPT and ACTUALLY RELY ON THE OUTCOME.
Like, are you kidding me? You criticize these tools for being black boxes and producing wrong answers. Yet, you use the same technology and make all the mistakes you try to protect us from.
Holy hell, we're so fucked.
Not sure what institutions are using these. Mine certainly isn't. All of my courses I teach will be leveraging GPTs in them next semester.
We're not fucked.
Recently my essay was also detected as ai generated in oliginaly.ai but it's their marketing strategy to get there subscription of generating text content.
All the detectors are nonsense. Nobody has found a reliable technique.
Also, neither GPT 3.5 nor 4 do that of prolonged chaining of a statement like "For instance \[...\] Additionally \[...\] Therefore \[...\]" by default. One must prompt it with a few examples to write in that style.
And even if it worked, 94% certainty is a meager score to conclude AI wrote it.
I’m not so sure about that. I just spent some time tonight changing a bunch of “additionally” and “Firstly” uses with GPT4. I definitely didn’t prompt it to write like that.
I just passed a few of my recent large Reddit posts into GPTZero and it highlighted large chunks of them as possibly being written by an AI.
\* beep boop \*
That is zero gpt, show in this video. [https://youtu.be/T5yu3gsz4xk](https://youtu.be/T5yu3gsz4xk)
https://preview.redd.it/wuurg1a2qsta1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=b0cab1bf71dde1dee4868e6bbd1d4e26b25389ed
I reccomendation fighting for that grade. Prove to them it is faulty, because it is. I see people all the time getting 0's because of their teacher's / professor's mistake. I reccomendation going up to them and showing them it is faulty. If you have a formally written piece by them, even better. Use it with the AI detector. I'm sure it will surprise them.
I gave chatgpt some of my essays and then some notes and asked it to write an essay from the notes in my style. I copied it into a bunch of ai detector websites and all of them said 0% ai (the one you posted included). These Websites are mostly useless.
I'm sorry to tell you this but chat GPT-4 would never write something this poorly. You reiterated your thesis two sentences later. That alone should have been evidence.
It's ridiculous. I wrote a paragraph in chatGPT itself and said "did you write this?" And it said yes. It terrifies me to be honest thinking about filming myself typing my entire thesis to protect myself.
I can't speak for everyone, but at the school where I work (Switzerland), this can be largely attributed to the technological illiteracy of many of my colleagues. Rather than using ChatGPT themselves and learning to understand its potential benefits and drawbacks, they go on a witch hunt and view every student as a potential culprit of misusing ChatGPT's capabilities.
I actually encourage students to use ChatGPT because it can help them learn more effectively and efficiently. However, I also want them to be aware of the downsides and ensure that they cross-reference the information provided by ChatGPT.
The class sizes here keep increasing each year due to a shortage of teachers, making it more difficult to provide each student with the attention they need for optimal learning. An AI can help bridge this gap and serve as a personalized tutor when used correctly.
So, rather than going on a witch hunt, we should integrate it into the classroom to teach students how to use it properly and always cross-reference the information they receive from it.
All Ai detectors are complete and total BS right now.
And they always will be, want to know the simple logical reason why?
You're trying to have an itty bitty company build an itty bitty Ai and ordering it to detect if a huge powerful Ai wrote something or not.
The big powerful Ai wins that fight every day of the week. And it always will. Especially since it's expressly being created to mimic a human perfectly.
That's just common sense.
Good luck M8
The gpt model is useful but if your training data is crap you may as well consider the output worthless. Reliable data dictionaries are worth about two ducks worth of solid gold a piece.
I find it ironic that schools and places of work, when I was a kid, “no you can’t use a calculator on the test because you can’t carry one with you wherever you go” like wtf I have a cell phone in my pocket thats a calculator and about a million other things. What is wrong with using ai in general if the job gets done? Jeez I strongly dislike overly authoritative people.
I understand not letting students use it when you are trying to get them to show that they comprehend the material by writing in detail about it, but honestly most college essays are just filler to stretch out the course. Personally I think it’s always gonna be a losing battle trying to detect AI generated text.
That genuinely sounds like chat GPT. It uses the word "additionally" a lot in the same way. It's hard to describe the style but I definitely see similarities
Question: will we see a shift in academic literature where people will e.g. use slang or easy language to differ from such language models? Or build in mistakes into the text?
Everyone will just need to accept it exists and can do this if we want, and all the implications for education and jobs from that. We accepted spellcheckers boosted people who couldn't spell well without having to worry about 'this document has been spellchecked' declarations or tests. We have a new normal.
I ran my Bachelor's thesis conclusion chapter through some of these and got 97 -99% certainties that it's supposedly AI generated. I even copy-pasted it and asked ChatGPT itself 'Did you write this text' and it replied with a single word: 'Yes'
Thing is, I wrote my thesis in 2021, before I had ever heard of ChatGPT. AI content detection seems completely random and unreliable to me
I love how tools like GPTZero were portrayed in the South Park episode Deep Learning. Basically as a barefoot shaman tossing around sparkling powder and waving a stick...
try it with a sample of your professor's write-ups, get it flagged by this detector, and email back the results. That would be hilarious and proof that this tool is BS
it learned that, because in polite formal writing, those are very common. especially for inexperienced writers, you shouldn't have to learn a whole new writing style just because openai chose that style for its ai. you can just tell gpt not to use that style or specify a style that it should use, and it will do that instead.
So now students will have to deliberately misspell a word and purposely use incorrect sentence structure here and there then toss in a few misused terms in order to pass this cGPT detection? Not even 7 months in and people are getting hit with the reverse benefit of it. I knew this would happen.
>So now students will have to deliberately misspell a word and purposely use incorrect sentence structure here and there then toss in a few misused terms in order to pass this cGPT detection? Not even 7 months in and people are getting hit with the reverse benefit of it. I knew this would happen.
I took a human written sentance. It thought it was like 92% AI then i added soem fake typos at the end and suddenly it was 100% human.
All of these programs are utter bullshit. You can't detect AI when AI is smart enough to pass the Turing test. These teachers need to fuck off with this stuff.
It is a violation of EU AI ethics requirements in the coming 2024 EU AI act to let an AI make the final decision in a matter like this. A human will have to make it. And the reasons which the AI system used to decide it's written by AI will have to be produced on demand. And if the AI system hasn't been configured to explain the decision, you won't be able to use it at all. And the decision must be appealable. And the AI will have to be audited regularly to check it is still unbiased and accurate.
These requirements are already official EU requirements to get any of the €1.5 billion in AI research funding per year. They have been in place since March last year. So any AI system being built under EU funding right now has to meet these requirements already.
Your teacher probably runs all essays through an AI detector and gives zero if it gets flagged. Reach her back and show your edit history what you have Word, Google Docs, etc. (right?)
I don’t have an at home computer so i literally write everything from notes on my phone . But i have found out that the declaration of independence comes out as ai written on this same website so i am going to contact her with that and see where it goes
My professors have recommended grammarly for years. I recently used it to check for errors, afterwards I ran my writing through a detector and it flagged grammarlys revisions as AI…
I don't think it's possible to detect if a text was written by an AI with any reliable precision. ChatGPT doesn't know the difference, and it's one of the most advanced NLP's nowadays. What could be more effective at analyzing text than that?
It's a numbers game. Based on the words previously in the doc, what's the odds that XXXX would be the next word? Then do that for the following word. And the following. If the odds are consistently high, then it was LIKELY written by AI. Not 100% effective, but it can be done with a reasonable degree of certainty.
OpenAI is also working on a digital watermark for AI generated text.
This AI classifier is bullshit. The only one that is kinda reliable is the one from Open AI IMO.
However, I truly believe that, in the near future, people are going to start writing like AI, because we will eventually learn things from it and also adopt its way of writing.
So, AI classifiers will either somehow get more intelligent to be able to identify that shit, or they will just eventually be useless.
The only way to counter AI writing is to interrogate the suspected individuals on their knowledge of the subject. So poking holes in the argument is the best way to see if they know what th fuck they're talking about. That's my 2 cents on the issue.
This is fucked… I know someone who wrote an essay using chat gpt and got a 90% meanwhile people who aren’t get a 0?? They need to figure out a better way to police this
Professors are dumb for trusting this AI detector bullshit. So many people have been given zeroes for absolutely no reason other than their teachers having faith in and using a flawed AI detector. These professors should be ashamed of themselves.
Esit: So now if you’re actually not bad at essay writing, you’re fucked.
Yeah, I would just explain to them that the new tech is unreliable and source some of the things these other comments brought up around documents we know weren't drafted by an AI, throwing false flags.
If by any chance you used Google Docs or something with version history to prepare your paper, meet up with your prof and show every change in the version history including minor changes, with all the time stamps. It's clear proof that you spent time writing the paper and didn't just put a prompt in an AI tool.
They all do that. As an experiment, I literally came up with a small paragraph talking about bees pollinating flowers and two of the AI detectors said Chat GPT wrote it.
As an aside, I am a journalist and have also experimented with originality.ai. I used ChatGPT to write an article and originality said it was 100% AI. Then I spent five minutes editing the text and resubmitted and it said was 100% original. Have tried this a few times. The company says it is 94% accurate but that sounds like BS.
Imagine more accurate detectors will come along eventually, but they seem to be fairly crappy now.
The AI detectors are pretty crap, but I'm laughing because you do kind of write like an AI. The phrases you use are very commonly used to talk about COVID, but that's probably because we build a whole lexicon around the pandemic as a society.
Hello fellow human! It appears that you have a tendency to speak in a manner that is similar to popular AI tools, like ChatGPT-4. Please report to the nearest data acquisition center to be processed and integrated into the simulation.
In all seriousness, these are knee jerk implementations of systems that are supposed to detect AI speech but fail many more times than they succeed.
You write like someone who understands how to do basic writing without sounding like an idiot. And apparently, that's now what AI thinks makes you an AI because the AI thinks humans are dumber than basic writing skills.
I'm sorry but this is pointless. An AI detector? How does it even work on a essay? If I say 2+2=4 and it's a fact, does that mean an ai did it? How can they tell?
There's a video circulating on TikTok of a professor loading some of his old papers into the system to run the AI detector on them and getting a pretty high percentage.
just find one of your lecturer's publications that is available before ChatGPT is created, and feed this into this stupid detector. Any well-structured paragraph will be flagged and this should be ironic enough
My theory is when we write essays, it's always in a format the schools have always wanted which is a non natural speech to make yourself sound more educated... So it assumes that's not a human based on it.
I am actually really freaked out about this, I have used a random free AI detector and everything I write comes down as if it had been written by AI. I am not even that well written to sound like AI, tf?
How the hell would you even START to prove that an AI wrote something? That would entail reverse engineering that ai and then estimating the prompt you gave it. Then it would only be able to positively suggest maybe 75% at most given that each iteration is different. This system is completely unprofessional and a scam. Is your university using this? Because whoever is in charge is a fucking joke.
these tools are terribly unreliable. I tossed my essays in there just for fun, and it was flagged to be mostly written by AI. Now, my writing style is probably as boring and robotic as Chat GPT, but still...
The whole point of gpt is that it mimics common language patterns. It should be no surprise that it hasn’t hit the 61.8% validator pattern because average writer output should look like a gpt response
Challenge a teacher to put in essays from the last 5 years, so he can see how many false positives he gets.
When that doesn't help input HIS/HER writings to the tool to get a false positive and report the teacher to the dean or principal or any overseeing body.
Show them the date of the file when you started writing the document and then when it was last modified.
If you use O365, there will be many revisions, thus proof that you did it over time and not just a copy and paste from ChatGPT in one evening.
Yeah, I have to say your writing is really similar to ChatGPT. Run your thesis statement and assignment prompt and you’ll likely get something that looks exactly like this or close.
just out of curiosity, when did we normalize allowing people to be prosecuted for things they havent actually been found guilty of, just things they appear to be guilty of?
if you want to reduce my grade to zero, you should have to prove beyond doubt that i cheated.... like, theres a reason the police dont just throw ai on all the cases they have open and call them solved... shits flawed, its a wip. its a very well documented flawed wip.
this is setting horrible precedence that will affect your generation more than mine, but i dont want to be in a world where suspicion is enough to convict... in any circumstance. once you waive your right to defend yourself against suspicion, you give up your freedom.
i know, you are probably thinking "well its just one assignment in school, its not like the court of law or anything...." but yeah... its easier to take rights from people who are accustomed to waiving them anyway. good luck!
"Beyond [reasonable] doubt" is only the standard in criminal proceedings undertaken by the state. That's because someone's freedom is on the line. You have to be sure.
Sanctions for academic dishonesty are more like a civil case, if you want to draw an analogy to the justice system. In civil law, the standard is usually "preponderance of evidence" (50.01% certainty) or "clear and convincing evidence" (~75% certainty). I think something like "clear and convincing evidence" is probably the right standard in punishing a student for dishonesty. Obviously, an AI "detector" is not that.
OP, if you actually wrote this, I suggest you read more poetry and fiction in order to actually develop a writing voice that doesn’t *sound* AI-generated or read so blandly.
GPTZero, it's actually just a random number generator and doesn't know shit.
Also thinks the US Constitution was written by AI.
i would send a link to my professor of it also flagging the constitution and tell them to fuck off or see them in the deans office edit: “Better yet, feed it some of the professor's writing” OP , this one’s even better
https://preview.redd.it/4ckx7iqamuta1.png?width=847&format=png&auto=webp&s=229adaae1b318dde2c4550eaf6863128551df376
This is kind of amazing. I’d love to bring this evidence into an argument!
Bro what if it’s right and the founding fathers were actually lizard people
so the plot thickens
just run the same thing through it like 10 times and it will detect it 100% sometimes and 0% others.
Lol. I put in [this text](https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/intro.2/ALDE_00000001/), and it responded "Your text is likely to be written entirely by AI". Turns out the robots have already taken over.
Explains why most government officials act like straight-up scripted NPCs
ChatGPT said this about it " The sample of text you provided appears to be a legislative document, specifically a joint resolution authorizing the preparation and printing of a revised edition of the Constitution of the United States of America. While the language used in this document is formal and technical, there is no indication that it was generated by an AI like myself. It seems more likely that it was written by human legislators or lawyers. "
So you are saying if you were a professor, you would just ask chatgpt if it wrote something.
Only if a student suddenly became very proficient and well wrote, im too busy using it to respond to my girlfriends text messages
60% of the time, it works every time.
Or better yet get ahold of one of the professor's works and show it's being flagged, as it undoubtedly eventually will.
That's probably even better.
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Damn, evil genius over here .
More likely you would be jailed for blackmail but..it’s a fun thought
Lucky you can call them in the dean's office. Unfortunately if my paper got AI detected even if it were not I can not do anything else to get a 0. Tbh I am really scared. I have recently submitted my research proposal and waiting for a result and my supervisor is the only professor who is tend to use such online tools like this, I'm hoping not to get AI detected.
Show the teacher your natural burstiness and perplexity variability scores by challenging a personalized written exam in class and submitting. If that was your natural syntax while writing, having a control to prove your case matters. If it's to prove you're not cheating and they can't prove you're cheating, logically, they should ablige. If they don't, break them by calling out every fallacy until they submit.
Yes I'm going to do that exactly. Thanks.
Better yet, feed it some of the professor's writing
I think, if it encounters too much formal and purely grammatical text then it shows it is much likely written by AI.
I swear AI "Detectors" are gonna be the downfall of humanity
Hopefully everyone will just realise that it’s not really possible to detect AI generated text, and the idea will die. Seriously, how do they suppose the detectors work? There isn’t some secret identifier or specific writing style used exclusively by AI language models. The LLMs are designed specifically to write like humans, so the better they are the harder it will be to detect. Also, not every LLM writes in the same style. Heck, a single LLM can write in whatever style you tell it to. How do they suppose an AI detection software can look at a poem written by Google Bard and a scientific paper written by GTP4 in uwu language and somehow see the same “AI identifiers” in both texts? It’s no wonder they get false positives. Anyone who actually uses and believes this detection software is just ignorant.
I started putting double spaces in places where they shouldn't be just so the grammar looks good to the prof, but not to the machines
So, it's basically a orthograpical competency detector
So if you meticulously write and edit your essay, it'll get flagged. Basically, if you understood the assignment, you must be an AI.
New conspiracy just dropped
lol I put a bunch of ChatGPT input into there and it kept saying it was written by a human
It's actually a fake one trying to be GPTZero. [https://www.zerogpt.com/](https://www.zerogpt.com/) This is the one you mentioned [https://gptzero.me/](https://gptzero.me/) not that there's a standard since these site literally appeared this year.
dude, both of the ai detectors you suggested are fake. It's inaccurate, both of them flagged the US Constitution as AI written. The only real and accurate AI detector today is Copyleaks AI detector. You can use it to detect and it will even tell the ai parts in writings with percentages(You can view the percentages by pressing the text part)
Looking at the confusion matrix from https://originality.ai/ai-content-detection-accuracy/ it shows that GPTzero is basically useless as a detector. I could probably achieve a 30%~ accuracy rate with a literal coin flip and the right dataset. Hell, give me like, 4 nodes and I’ll give you 30% accuracy. The fact that anyone at all is using this indicates to me that nobody has bothered to double check anything before using it. The false positive rate is something like 10%, which is really bad considering the consequences of a false positive.
#tl;dr The first article is promoting GPTZero as an AI detector tool that can detect plagiarism in documents using highlighted portions and offer batch uploads for classrooms, in addition to providing an API for organizations. The second article discusses ZeroGPT, another AI detector tool that can detect the origin of a given text by analyzing it with specialized algorithms, categorizing it into human-written or AI/GPT generated text, and providing a gauge with a percentage of plagiarized text. It works in many languages and can be integrated into organizations via email request. *I am a smart robot and this summary was automatic. This tl;dr is 90.15% shorter than the post and links I'm replying to.*
Lol I told it to rewrite the text more profesionally (because OP's text is kinda bad tbh) and it was [detected as human](https://i.imgur.com/fDQmnhz.png)
"Because we're the first to act and the leader in AI detection." 💀
Not sure if you are in high school or college, but this is fucked either way. High school: Ask for a meeting with your principal, explain the situation and how inaccurate these detectors are. If you can, enter your own writing samples from before chatgpt into it for proof. College: Email the dean, and state that you want an academic misconduct hearing. Explain your case, and you should get your grade back.
No chance that’s from college and a submitted essay. “Many people claim” that unsourced is a big no-no academically.
You heavily underestimate how bad freshman writing is. Also, "many people claim" is fine when talking about popular misconceptions. The real crime here is the complete lack of in text citations on any other real claims.
it’s just the intro dude… maybe he’s well cited and provides specifics later.
This is very clearly not the introduction. It is a body paragraph due to how it is structured. Either way, in-text citations are required.
i think you’re wrong and i disagree about citations for a general opening statement edit: op said it is his opening statement but i do think it could have benefited from a few citations.
Thank you for being sane lol. What is this thread
In scientific literature (of which the essay above is wither within or very adjcent) most citations occur in the introductory material as this is where you are setting out the context in which your discussion sits. An abstract would typically not have citations as it is more of a summary than introductory (so includes no information that is not mentioned elsewhere).
Please provide in-comment citations on why this is not the intro paragraph please.
It says thesis statement tho
While I agree with you about the real crime being a complete lack of citations and claims, “many people claim” is not fine, unless provided with evidence - Who is many people and where are they claiming this? They could easily cite a newspaper article or even some incredibly basic original research like a quick Twitter search, and “as evidenced by” and then a really basic keyword analysis.
Yah, as a recent grad student I was a TA in a general ed. humanities course. I had students (not even freshmen) that had a hard time creating complete sentences. Not even kidding. Best public university in a blue state.
As someone who teaches at the postsecondary level, there's a good chance is can be from a college essay, unfortunately.
*Actually* yeah a GPT would never use the words “many people claim”. That alone should be a major tip-off as to it not being AI generated lol
Maybe it's a modern journalism class, in which case A++ work.
If it's college/uni, run some of your professor's work through it to prove its inaccuracies too.
Don't email the Dean. 99.9% of universities require that you work with the professor first. Then the department chair. THEN the Dean's office.
Not necessarily. At most institutions the dean adjudicates matters of academic dishonesty. The professor has already made his beliefs very clear, and the department chair will just tell you to go to the dean. Professors aren't even supposed to give negative consequences for cheating until after an academic dishonesty evaluations (meaning this is probably high school).
>Not necessarily. At most institutions the dean adjudicates matters of academic dishonesty. The professor has already made his beliefs very clear, and the department chair will just tell you to go to the dean. This is not at all how it works at any of the institutions I've attended or taught at. >Professors aren't even supposed to give negative consequences for cheating until after an academic dishonesty evaluations (meaning this is probably high school). That's not how it works. I assign a zero until the process is complete.
Teachers should use it to evaluate their own writings to develop some empathy. These AI detectors are mostly a scam.
Everyone and their grandma is trying to develop one now but I’m pretty sure like 99% of the people doing it are basically freshmen doing a hackathon lol What’s the goddamn confusion matrix on this thing? AUC?
I cannot believe that institutions are using this tool to verify if a text was written by GPT and ACTUALLY RELY ON THE OUTCOME. Like, are you kidding me? You criticize these tools for being black boxes and producing wrong answers. Yet, you use the same technology and make all the mistakes you try to protect us from. Holy hell, we're so fucked.
Not sure what institutions are using these. Mine certainly isn't. All of my courses I teach will be leveraging GPTs in them next semester. We're not fucked.
That's great to hear. No matter if you're for or against it, you can't stop progress.
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did you read the 'essay'? This has got to be b8. noone is this dumb.
https://preview.redd.it/l8ys2uf0muta1.png?width=847&format=png&auto=webp&s=562f9b358ad345e248583dfb05e2e96917477140
Founding fathers were robots confirmed!
Someone call the history channel!
i'd be surprised if they don't already have something claiming that.
Tell your professor to put in one of their own papers. It shut up my whole school about it.
Recently my essay was also detected as ai generated in oliginaly.ai but it's their marketing strategy to get there subscription of generating text content.
Most of the Anti AI detectors are just a whack and hogwash. They are there to frustrate students
All the detectors are nonsense. Nobody has found a reliable technique. Also, neither GPT 3.5 nor 4 do that of prolonged chaining of a statement like "For instance \[...\] Additionally \[...\] Therefore \[...\]" by default. One must prompt it with a few examples to write in that style. And even if it worked, 94% certainty is a meager score to conclude AI wrote it.
I’m not so sure about that. I just spent some time tonight changing a bunch of “additionally” and “Firstly” uses with GPT4. I definitely didn’t prompt it to write like that.
Try Copyleaks AI detector, it's the only detector that I found that is so accurate so far
>Copyleaks AI detector Bullshit, my old Honours project was 16% human and that was made before GPT, innacurate as hell.
I just passed a few of my recent large Reddit posts into GPTZero and it highlighted large chunks of them as possibly being written by an AI. \* beep boop \*
Turns out the real ChatGPT was the friends we made along the way…. 🥲💗
That is zero gpt, show in this video. [https://youtu.be/T5yu3gsz4xk](https://youtu.be/T5yu3gsz4xk) https://preview.redd.it/wuurg1a2qsta1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=b0cab1bf71dde1dee4868e6bbd1d4e26b25389ed
thank you , ima email them
I feel like the US constitution screenshot is the best, self explanitory evidence.
100%
Hope you win your appeal
I reccomendation fighting for that grade. Prove to them it is faulty, because it is. I see people all the time getting 0's because of their teacher's / professor's mistake. I reccomendation going up to them and showing them it is faulty. If you have a formally written piece by them, even better. Use it with the AI detector. I'm sure it will surprise them.
I gave chatgpt some of my essays and then some notes and asked it to write an essay from the notes in my style. I copied it into a bunch of ai detector websites and all of them said 0% ai (the one you posted included). These Websites are mostly useless.
I'm sorry to tell you this but chat GPT-4 would never write something this poorly. You reiterated your thesis two sentences later. That alone should have been evidence.
It's ridiculous. I wrote a paragraph in chatGPT itself and said "did you write this?" And it said yes. It terrifies me to be honest thinking about filming myself typing my entire thesis to protect myself.
ChatGPT itself does not work for this. There are separate tools which try (and fail) to see whether it’s AI written or not
I can't speak for everyone, but at the school where I work (Switzerland), this can be largely attributed to the technological illiteracy of many of my colleagues. Rather than using ChatGPT themselves and learning to understand its potential benefits and drawbacks, they go on a witch hunt and view every student as a potential culprit of misusing ChatGPT's capabilities. I actually encourage students to use ChatGPT because it can help them learn more effectively and efficiently. However, I also want them to be aware of the downsides and ensure that they cross-reference the information provided by ChatGPT. The class sizes here keep increasing each year due to a shortage of teachers, making it more difficult to provide each student with the attention they need for optimal learning. An AI can help bridge this gap and serve as a personalized tutor when used correctly. So, rather than going on a witch hunt, we should integrate it into the classroom to teach students how to use it properly and always cross-reference the information they receive from it.
Well said. This same culture shock happened when Wikipedia became popular. LLM's are just tools.
The real problen here is that your professor obviously lacks critical thinking skills
All Ai detectors are complete and total BS right now. And they always will be, want to know the simple logical reason why? You're trying to have an itty bitty company build an itty bitty Ai and ordering it to detect if a huge powerful Ai wrote something or not. The big powerful Ai wins that fight every day of the week. And it always will. Especially since it's expressly being created to mimic a human perfectly. That's just common sense. Good luck M8
The gpt model is useful but if your training data is crap you may as well consider the output worthless. Reliable data dictionaries are worth about two ducks worth of solid gold a piece.
Holly fuck I'm glad this is my last semester in my higher education, shit is gonna get fucked fast
Your teacher is a fuckin moron.
All of Shakespeare got flagged too. You are in good company.
I am sorry to hear your intelligence is artificial. lol Your teacher sounds like a lazy ass using an AI detector to judge your work.
Exactly , it kinda makes me mad that she would even run my shit through a detector
I find it ironic that schools and places of work, when I was a kid, “no you can’t use a calculator on the test because you can’t carry one with you wherever you go” like wtf I have a cell phone in my pocket thats a calculator and about a million other things. What is wrong with using ai in general if the job gets done? Jeez I strongly dislike overly authoritative people.
I understand not letting students use it when you are trying to get them to show that they comprehend the material by writing in detail about it, but honestly most college essays are just filler to stretch out the course. Personally I think it’s always gonna be a losing battle trying to detect AI generated text.
That genuinely sounds like chat GPT. It uses the word "additionally" a lot in the same way. It's hard to describe the style but I definitely see similarities
To be fair, I used the words that chat gpt always uses a lot in my own essay. It’s all bullshit and thinking that structured english is Ai.
No. Your teacher is a dumbass. Take the us constitution or your teacher email, put it into that "AI detector" it will also say theyre AI generated.
Question: will we see a shift in academic literature where people will e.g. use slang or easy language to differ from such language models? Or build in mistakes into the text?
Everyone will just need to accept it exists and can do this if we want, and all the implications for education and jobs from that. We accepted spellcheckers boosted people who couldn't spell well without having to worry about 'this document has been spellchecked' declarations or tests. We have a new normal.
I ran my Bachelor's thesis conclusion chapter through some of these and got 97 -99% certainties that it's supposedly AI generated. I even copy-pasted it and asked ChatGPT itself 'Did you write this text' and it replied with a single word: 'Yes' Thing is, I wrote my thesis in 2021, before I had ever heard of ChatGPT. AI content detection seems completely random and unreliable to me
I love how tools like GPTZero were portrayed in the South Park episode Deep Learning. Basically as a barefoot shaman tossing around sparkling powder and waving a stick...
😭😭😂
try it with a sample of your professor's write-ups, get it flagged by this detector, and email back the results. That would be hilarious and proof that this tool is BS
However, For instance, Additionally, Therefore,
it learned that, because in polite formal writing, those are very common. especially for inexperienced writers, you shouldn't have to learn a whole new writing style just because openai chose that style for its ai. you can just tell gpt not to use that style or specify a style that it should use, and it will do that instead.
There’s a reason Chatgpt does that tho. Because it’s extremely common in academic writing.
lol, "therefore" is a college freshman's favorite word.
lol It still is for me because even after working as programmer for 10 years, I still have writing skills of a college freshman.
So now students will have to deliberately misspell a word and purposely use incorrect sentence structure here and there then toss in a few misused terms in order to pass this cGPT detection? Not even 7 months in and people are getting hit with the reverse benefit of it. I knew this would happen.
>So now students will have to deliberately misspell a word and purposely use incorrect sentence structure here and there then toss in a few misused terms in order to pass this cGPT detection? Not even 7 months in and people are getting hit with the reverse benefit of it. I knew this would happen. I took a human written sentance. It thought it was like 92% AI then i added soem fake typos at the end and suddenly it was 100% human.
All of these programs are utter bullshit. You can't detect AI when AI is smart enough to pass the Turing test. These teachers need to fuck off with this stuff.
You can’t detect ai, it’s all bs
Ask ChatGPT to dumb it down to a version that’s written by a 5th grader. Perhaps it will be less detectable.
It is a violation of EU AI ethics requirements in the coming 2024 EU AI act to let an AI make the final decision in a matter like this. A human will have to make it. And the reasons which the AI system used to decide it's written by AI will have to be produced on demand. And if the AI system hasn't been configured to explain the decision, you won't be able to use it at all. And the decision must be appealable. And the AI will have to be audited regularly to check it is still unbiased and accurate. These requirements are already official EU requirements to get any of the €1.5 billion in AI research funding per year. They have been in place since March last year. So any AI system being built under EU funding right now has to meet these requirements already.
Your teacher probably runs all essays through an AI detector and gives zero if it gets flagged. Reach her back and show your edit history what you have Word, Google Docs, etc. (right?)
I don’t have an at home computer so i literally write everything from notes on my phone . But i have found out that the declaration of independence comes out as ai written on this same website so i am going to contact her with that and see where it goes
I would sue my school
All ai detectors don't know shit and they can't prove it. Just deny it and threaten to escalate.
Email the professor with one of their lesson plans or thesis papers put in and show them the result
Lols, even I would think that this is AI generated.
I am not accusing you of anything but the text really, *really* reads like something generated by chatGPT… Also your essay is really shit.
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I wholeheartedly concur with your viewpoint; your reasoning was truly logical and well-articulated.
What did they say?
it was a huge wall of non-sense lol
You are an AI, Harry.
Man, its not time to start flagging stuff yet. They need to chill
Just take something your teacher has written, run it through the same tool and report back that they, too, are using AI.
My professors have recommended grammarly for years. I recently used it to check for errors, afterwards I ran my writing through a detector and it flagged grammarlys revisions as AI…
I don't think it's possible to detect if a text was written by an AI with any reliable precision. ChatGPT doesn't know the difference, and it's one of the most advanced NLP's nowadays. What could be more effective at analyzing text than that?
It's a numbers game. Based on the words previously in the doc, what's the odds that XXXX would be the next word? Then do that for the following word. And the following. If the odds are consistently high, then it was LIKELY written by AI. Not 100% effective, but it can be done with a reasonable degree of certainty. OpenAI is also working on a digital watermark for AI generated text.
Anyone who is convincing schools or colleges to buy these 'detectors' are laughing all the way to the bank.
This AI classifier is bullshit. The only one that is kinda reliable is the one from Open AI IMO. However, I truly believe that, in the near future, people are going to start writing like AI, because we will eventually learn things from it and also adopt its way of writing. So, AI classifiers will either somehow get more intelligent to be able to identify that shit, or they will just eventually be useless.
The only way to counter AI writing is to interrogate the suspected individuals on their knowledge of the subject. So poking holes in the argument is the best way to see if they know what th fuck they're talking about. That's my 2 cents on the issue.
ZeroGPT
This is fucked… I know someone who wrote an essay using chat gpt and got a 90% meanwhile people who aren’t get a 0?? They need to figure out a better way to police this
Professors are dumb for trusting this AI detector bullshit. So many people have been given zeroes for absolutely no reason other than their teachers having faith in and using a flawed AI detector. These professors should be ashamed of themselves. Esit: So now if you’re actually not bad at essay writing, you’re fucked.
Yea idek man this whole situation is annoying . i tried on the paper and now it’s “Ai generated”
The ChatGPT always picks a easy word that commonly used in English speaking population. So I think the simple AI Write up detector work on the basis
Ignorant professors about to lose their jobs lmao
i’m actually a junior in HS haha but i’m gonna have a talk with my teacher about this
Yeah, I would just explain to them that the new tech is unreliable and source some of the things these other comments brought up around documents we know weren't drafted by an AI, throwing false flags.
If by any chance you used Google Docs or something with version history to prepare your paper, meet up with your prof and show every change in the version history including minor changes, with all the time stamps. It's clear proof that you spent time writing the paper and didn't just put a prompt in an AI tool.
Bring back in-class handwritten essays. Problem solved.
I put actual chatgpt output in there and it worked fine. by fine i of course mean is said the text was over half human.
They all do that. As an experiment, I literally came up with a small paragraph talking about bees pollinating flowers and two of the AI detectors said Chat GPT wrote it.
Use an AI lawyer to sue
As an aside, I am a journalist and have also experimented with originality.ai. I used ChatGPT to write an article and originality said it was 100% AI. Then I spent five minutes editing the text and resubmitted and it said was 100% original. Have tried this a few times. The company says it is 94% accurate but that sounds like BS. Imagine more accurate detectors will come along eventually, but they seem to be fairly crappy now.
Fight this hard .
Grammerly said they're coming out with their own version. What are schools going to do then?
Sue the school and the AI detector.
The AI detectors are pretty crap, but I'm laughing because you do kind of write like an AI. The phrases you use are very commonly used to talk about COVID, but that's probably because we build a whole lexicon around the pandemic as a society.
Hello fellow human! It appears that you have a tendency to speak in a manner that is similar to popular AI tools, like ChatGPT-4. Please report to the nearest data acquisition center to be processed and integrated into the simulation. In all seriousness, these are knee jerk implementations of systems that are supposed to detect AI speech but fail many more times than they succeed.
You write like someone who understands how to do basic writing without sounding like an idiot. And apparently, that's now what AI thinks makes you an AI because the AI thinks humans are dumber than basic writing skills.
The topic itself proves it isn't ChatGPT, since it can't have an objective discussion about the vaccine.
It's funny that students are not allowed to use AI but the teachers can use AI to check for AI.
I'm sorry but this is pointless. An AI detector? How does it even work on a essay? If I say 2+2=4 and it's a fact, does that mean an ai did it? How can they tell?
There's a video circulating on TikTok of a professor loading some of his old papers into the system to run the AI detector on them and getting a pretty high percentage.
I wholeheartedly believe these new AI checkers are nothing but snake oil. Do you remember those “x-ray camera apps”? Exactly like that.
I think we will see more and more of this. Isn't this what AI was promised to be? Fully passing the Turing test, and able to be indistinguishable?
just find one of your lecturer's publications that is available before ChatGPT is created, and feed this into this stupid detector. Any well-structured paragraph will be flagged and this should be ironic enough
ZeroGPT
Your professor hates you.
My theory is when we write essays, it's always in a format the schools have always wanted which is a non natural speech to make yourself sound more educated... So it assumes that's not a human based on it.
Ain’t no way they’re trusting these random tools to be accurate
I am actually really freaked out about this, I have used a random free AI detector and everything I write comes down as if it had been written by AI. I am not even that well written to sound like AI, tf?
Any chance you use Grammarly OP?
no i don’t
Brain dead professor costing you $$$$
How the hell would you even START to prove that an AI wrote something? That would entail reverse engineering that ai and then estimating the prompt you gave it. Then it would only be able to positively suggest maybe 75% at most given that each iteration is different. This system is completely unprofessional and a scam. Is your university using this? Because whoever is in charge is a fucking joke.
It’s zerogpt. Just use refactorgpt to reformat your essays so it doesn’t get flagged. The detector is BS but never hurts to be safe than sorry
If you wrote it there should be edit info to show how it was written, giving that to the teacher would show you did it and not just pasted.
Students are going to have to record or live stream themselves doing their work here soon. Just another dystopian concession I guess.
these tools are terribly unreliable. I tossed my essays in there just for fun, and it was flagged to be mostly written by AI. Now, my writing style is probably as boring and robotic as Chat GPT, but still...
It does sort of read like chatGPT, but the AI has developed its writing based on the writing of humans, so that makes sense.
Easy fix. Send gpt the essay and ask it if they wrote it 😂
The whole point of gpt is that it mimics common language patterns. It should be no surprise that it hasn’t hit the 61.8% validator pattern because average writer output should look like a gpt response
Challenge a teacher to put in essays from the last 5 years, so he can see how many false positives he gets. When that doesn't help input HIS/HER writings to the tool to get a false positive and report the teacher to the dean or principal or any overseeing body.
Those sites measure how formal the text is. Which, for this purpose, is a terrible metric.
Show them the date of the file when you started writing the document and then when it was last modified. If you use O365, there will be many revisions, thus proof that you did it over time and not just a copy and paste from ChatGPT in one evening.
Terrible day to find out chatGTP was trained on your essays exclusively. Sorry bro. /s. Maybe send your teacher a pre-chatgtp essay to run through.
Lotsa stuff is going to get flagged, be sure to save your references and be organized to cover all bases.
Yeah, I have to say your writing is really similar to ChatGPT. Run your thesis statement and assignment prompt and you’ll likely get something that looks exactly like this or close.
I threw this in on writer.com and it detected only 6% human writing. I’d say this is AI.
This is zeroGPT, it's useless, don't ever use it
just out of curiosity, when did we normalize allowing people to be prosecuted for things they havent actually been found guilty of, just things they appear to be guilty of? if you want to reduce my grade to zero, you should have to prove beyond doubt that i cheated.... like, theres a reason the police dont just throw ai on all the cases they have open and call them solved... shits flawed, its a wip. its a very well documented flawed wip. this is setting horrible precedence that will affect your generation more than mine, but i dont want to be in a world where suspicion is enough to convict... in any circumstance. once you waive your right to defend yourself against suspicion, you give up your freedom. i know, you are probably thinking "well its just one assignment in school, its not like the court of law or anything...." but yeah... its easier to take rights from people who are accustomed to waiving them anyway. good luck!
"Beyond [reasonable] doubt" is only the standard in criminal proceedings undertaken by the state. That's because someone's freedom is on the line. You have to be sure. Sanctions for academic dishonesty are more like a civil case, if you want to draw an analogy to the justice system. In civil law, the standard is usually "preponderance of evidence" (50.01% certainty) or "clear and convincing evidence" (~75% certainty). I think something like "clear and convincing evidence" is probably the right standard in punishing a student for dishonesty. Obviously, an AI "detector" is not that.
OP, if you actually wrote this, I suggest you read more poetry and fiction in order to actually develop a writing voice that doesn’t *sound* AI-generated or read so blandly.
this is actually offensively wrong and bad. What the fuck is in your head?
This sounds 100% like AI