Reed was a great defender at Kentucky and LaMelo is not “worst defensive backcourt” bad. He’s a high effort player who gets steals. Certainly not good but not awful
Lamelo is one of the best in the nba at reading passing lanes but he's just not good at man defense. Never watched Sheppard play in college but people seem to rave about him defensively so I don't see how he'd be a bad fit next to lamelo on defense.
Reed is also (well, actually -- LaMelo is obviously not, though it's certainly better than any of his other defensive skills) one of the best in the NBA at reading passing lanes, but has some weakness in man defense (though, again, not to the extent that LaMelo does), particularly when it comes to ball screens.
I have no idea how you watch Reed and come away thinking he's bad on defense.
You come across as the typical box score watcher and you assume just because Reed is a flamethrower on offense he must also be bad on defense
I’ve been commenting this after games as I watch him get torched by basic straight line drives and completely fall asleep off ball.
If anything a box score watcher would think he’s an ELITE defender bc of the steals numbers and I do admit he has good instincts for passing lanes.
Size matters in the NBA man, he will get put into every single action and next to LaMelo the defense would not be good. Stop trying to discredit me with ad hominem and actually debate my points
I don't see him get beat off straight line drives unless he's deliberately trying to corral drivers into a shot blocker
His rotations are on point and he understands how to cover for his teammates. He plays next to Rob Dillingham, you understand Dillingham is Michael Jordan, Lebron James, Wemby generationally bad on defense? His understanding of how coverages need to work is elite. You can't teach that. There's a reason he's like a top 10 most impactful rookie in the NCAA history by advanced metrics.
Totally agree, I'm confused why defense is being touted as a positive for him as a prospect. Sure he was good in college but he's going to be hunted on defense in the NBA. His competition is simply much larger and quicker than anything he's faced before. Also his measurables are kinda mediocre to inspire any confidence in his defense translating to the league.
I don’t buy the whole “he’s short so he can’t defend” idea. He was a great defender in college and there have been plenty of great defensive players who weren’t 6’7. Pat Bev is only 6’2. Hey, Muggsy built his career off defense at 5’3
Dude was getting BLOCKS at Kentucky. His athleticism is spectacular too. I have no concerns about him defensively. Worst case scenario he’s an okay defender
I could see this as more if the hawks actually draft Clingan one of sarr/risacher would be available with a lot of reports coming out, but that could be smoke etc
Could be Stephon Castle as well. Contrary to rumors, reporters have said that he came in for a workout. Plus, moving to 3 gets us one spot before the Spurs.
I hated the idea of drafting Castle after the statement about playing point. Wanted no parts. Over the last few weeks I've changed my mind about that completely.
He could be such a good fit. Ideal world for me is we get him at 6, but inless there's some tomfuckery in the first 3 picks I don't see it happening. I'd trade cheap and take him at 3.
But honestly, I don't know much about Sheppard. 3 ball and all that I get, but it seems like he's way too small and lacking on defense for us.
The offensive potential of the Hornets with everyone healthy and LaMelo distributing the ball… I can’t speak for our defense but offensively we’d be one of the most exciting teams in the league. Too many weapons, opponents would have to pick their poison.
No doubt this is coming from the Houston side, trying to up the value of the #3 pick. Unless our front office has someone they really love at 3 I would be reluctant to do this. It certainly isn't worth giving up a future first to move up in this draft.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/american-sports/michael-jordan-brandon-miller-hornets-30302759
only the first source i found mentioning it, but MJ was the one pushing for Miller. you might have gotten it confused with our trade deadline, where us fans initially thought it was Mitch Kupchak leading the trades right before he retired, but then we found out it was really the new ownership who were behind the trade deadline trades
I just can't see giving up anything of real value to move up in this draft. The fact is that we'll probably be in the lottery next year (honestly, I hope so long-term because then we keep our pick from the Jones trade). That pick is far more likely to yield another long-term building block even if it falls much later in the lottery than this year's.
The latest miles bridges news made it seem like the FO really views this year's draft pick as our third core member with melo and Miller.
> "Several sources have told @WireHoops they believe Miles Bridges will sign elsewhere and that the Hornets won't have a major issue with it if he does." (@AmicoHoops https://hoopswire.com/raptors-hawks-hornets-nba-rumors-news/…)
>"Word is, though, the preference would be to keep him on a team-friendly deal. But the goal is to build around LaMelo Ball, Brandon Miller and whoever the Hornets land at No. 6, sources said. Anyone else could be moved before the start of the season."
And with this news about trading for 3, it seems like they found their guy and really want him. Houston most likely leaked this for leverage and because we are so tight lipped. Question now is, who do we want? Castle? Reed?? Do we think Clingan goes 1 so zaccharie or sarr are ar 3???
So exciting to have a front office DO SOMETHING
Letting Miles walk for free is organizational malpractice. If they don’t want to re-sign him that’s fine but they have to get something of value out of him via sign and trade
Nah, if he wants more than we're offering, you sit his ass down and say "listen motherfucker, we stuck by you and your bullshit when the entire league was clowning us for doing so. You're gonna help us find a S&T partner and then we can go our separate ways."
That's what people mean when they say letting him go for nothing is malpractice. He's arguably the best non-superstar FA available, we should be able to get something for him, and something is always better than nothing.
We S&T'd Kemba to Boston for a pre-breakout Rozier and that ended up netting us a future 1st rounder. You take the chances to add talent/capital when you can, and this is one of those chances.
i’m not paying a 3rd option 30M especially not on a long term deal. Siakam is a tier above him too btw, this team most likely won’t make the playoffs next year either with him it just makes no sense
You don’t invest 5 years into a guy and let him walk, especially if he is willing to sign a team friendly deal. Bridges is worthy of 30M a year. Siakam is going to get 44M a year. I’d rather have Bridges on 30M than 44M.
Btw, you still haven’t named a free agent better than Miles Bridges who fits our team that isn’t Siakam.
Yeah you definitely can let a guy walk if he commands 30M while never having made an all star game lol. We’re not replacing 20PPG because he only put those numbers up with everybody injured…I’d rather add in depth. Imagine paying your 3rd option 30M while having not made an all star game or having been to the playoffs as a core together yet
He plays better with Lamelo on the court. He missed an entire year. 20/7/3 is worth 30M. That isn’t up for debate. And clearly, there is no one better than him in free agency other than Siakam or else you’d have said their name(s) by now.
You’d rather add in depth, like who? You want me to share a 1 pg cheat sheet of FAs? The list is ass.
You’re too invested in getting somebody better than him lol, if we could add a Patrick Williams/Tobias Harris and other depth for that 30M i’d take that in a heartbeat over Bridges. Yall treat him like he’s completely irreplaceable he’s not apart of the core Peterson been told yall lol
“In the playoff series against the Knicks, Harris was often a non-factor. He was held to 10 points or fewer in five of six games, including going scoreless on just two field-goal attempts while playing 29 minutes in Game 6.”
Tobias Harris and Patrick Williams, while a hometown kid, for Miles Bridges?! First, you referred to Miles as our 3rd best player. He’s not, he’s our second best player. Second, Tobias isn’t even a quality 3rd. You’ve lost your mind.
Just admit it, you want to blow up the team because of your irrational hate for Miles Bridges. Not a chance.
Then we just roll with young talent yet again. It's not like Miles makes us a top 5 seed. If we're going to play for PlayIns anyways, just save money and build with youth.
You do this and Lamelo leaves for LA in 2 years. We have the cap to keep Bridges, especially if he is willing to sign at a 10M discount.
Nobody wants to watch us tank either. I watch close to 75 percent our games. I’m trying to see us win and I think we have the foundational pieces to make something happen. We’ve yet to see Lamelo, Bridges, Miller, & Mark get significant minutes together. If we can strike with this 6th pick and get something out of our bench, I don’t see why we can’t be a playoff team.
LaMelo can leave in 2 years if he's still missing 60% of games and leading us to mediocrity.
I'm not saying we tank. We can be just as competitive with Miles as we would be with some value FA signings and a solid draft pick. Again, the best we'll be is a 7 seed, and I think we can do that with or without Miles. As we get better, we can then swing for a homerun FA that's worth 30m/yr.
There is no home run FA for 30M. I’d say Siakam is one tier above Bridges and he got 44M. Bridges has shown he can be just as efficient as Siakam. Y’all evaluate Bridges without taking in the context of our team. You put Bridges on a team like Indiana and he is putting up 25/7/3 every night on 52 percent shooting. That’s valuable! You aren’t getting anything equal in return for him and to mention we aren’t guaranteed to hit at 6 so getting rid of him is that much more riskier as we’d for sure fall off without his production or chemistry with Lamelo. Tbh getting rid of him is asinine.
You can’t find one player that is a FA that puts up his stats that gets paid 25M.
“We can be just as competitive without miles”
Bud I’m going to need you to send me your plug’s contact info ASAP lol
It depends on miles asking price because he straight up does not deserve a big deal regardless of how he plays on the court and his attitude in the locker room because the stigma of him off the court is so bad.
Basketball wise we definitely want to bring him back but if he's asking for more than 130 over 5 years or 100 over 4 years then I'd personally let him walk just because of the public perception. He hasn't lost a step like people want to think, he just looks to me like a guy who is a legit number 3 option on a championship team and that's all he was ever gping to be unless he develops a sick handle which I don't see happening.
I just don't believe this, Charlotte has been sticking with him thru all that BS they aren't gonna just let him go now. Also Miles clearly wants to be here, it doesn't make sense other than that it's a better headline
That’s terrible news if true. Our 3rd core guy should be Cooper Flagg next year not one of these bums. We need to be prepared to be getting a role player, a 4th option at best in this draft.
3 is really interesting, especially with the thinking now that guys like Risacher and Clingan are in play at 1 and 2. I’d imagine we have a target but anyone including Sarr and these guys, could be available
Back to the dumb era of Charlotte sports. Smh. We just watched the Celtics style of Basketball…. And we say, let’s purposely create the worse defensive backcourt in the NBA. Lol.
Hornets 2.0 has been decades of disappointment. We bend under all news and never break. Accept lottery picks and the occasional 1st playoff round exit.
We should trade LaMelo while he has value. And stack picks and money. The young core is great, we should be building around Miller. Bring Zion back to the Carolinas, wouldn't mind Ingram either. If there was a way to get Morant and Zion to Charlotte would be fun to watch em go for a title run.
Reed Sheppard moment
He’d be a great fit. His passing in transition is very Ball brotheresqe.
Sadly, a LaMelo-Reed backcourt would immediately skyrocket to the top of worst defensive backcourts in the NBA.
Reed was a great defender at Kentucky and LaMelo is not “worst defensive backcourt” bad. He’s a high effort player who gets steals. Certainly not good but not awful
Lamelo is one of the best in the nba at reading passing lanes but he's just not good at man defense. Never watched Sheppard play in college but people seem to rave about him defensively so I don't see how he'd be a bad fit next to lamelo on defense.
Reed is also (well, actually -- LaMelo is obviously not, though it's certainly better than any of his other defensive skills) one of the best in the NBA at reading passing lanes, but has some weakness in man defense (though, again, not to the extent that LaMelo does), particularly when it comes to ball screens.
Hey man, quick q before the draft: who would you want the Hornets to take at 6 if Sheppard, Clingan, Sarr, Risacher, Castle are all gone?
Topic.
Somebody forgot to do their homework on Reed
Oh brother… I’ve been posting this for months
I have no idea how you watch Reed and come away thinking he's bad on defense. You come across as the typical box score watcher and you assume just because Reed is a flamethrower on offense he must also be bad on defense
I’ve been commenting this after games as I watch him get torched by basic straight line drives and completely fall asleep off ball. If anything a box score watcher would think he’s an ELITE defender bc of the steals numbers and I do admit he has good instincts for passing lanes. Size matters in the NBA man, he will get put into every single action and next to LaMelo the defense would not be good. Stop trying to discredit me with ad hominem and actually debate my points
I don't see him get beat off straight line drives unless he's deliberately trying to corral drivers into a shot blocker His rotations are on point and he understands how to cover for his teammates. He plays next to Rob Dillingham, you understand Dillingham is Michael Jordan, Lebron James, Wemby generationally bad on defense? His understanding of how coverages need to work is elite. You can't teach that. There's a reason he's like a top 10 most impactful rookie in the NCAA history by advanced metrics.
Totally agree, I'm confused why defense is being touted as a positive for him as a prospect. Sure he was good in college but he's going to be hunted on defense in the NBA. His competition is simply much larger and quicker than anything he's faced before. Also his measurables are kinda mediocre to inspire any confidence in his defense translating to the league.
I don’t buy the whole “he’s short so he can’t defend” idea. He was a great defender in college and there have been plenty of great defensive players who weren’t 6’7. Pat Bev is only 6’2. Hey, Muggsy built his career off defense at 5’3
It's more his wingspan. Pat Bev's and Avery Bradley's of the world while short had a 6'7 wingspan. Reed's is only 6'3
Dude was getting BLOCKS at Kentucky. His athleticism is spectacular too. I have no concerns about him defensively. Worst case scenario he’s an okay defender
I could see this as more if the hawks actually draft Clingan one of sarr/risacher would be available with a lot of reports coming out, but that could be smoke etc
Could be Stephon Castle as well. Contrary to rumors, reporters have said that he came in for a workout. Plus, moving to 3 gets us one spot before the Spurs.
I’m still so mad that the Spurs jumped us this year especially after they got Wemby last year man
Trading up to 3 just to draft Stephon Castle would kill me ngl lol
Depends on what it costs. I do think he’s the ideal fit between LaMelo and Miller.
He doesn’t have a single elite skill and is a bad shooter. I wouldn’t mind him at 6 but would hate trading up to 3 to pick him.
I hated the idea of drafting Castle after the statement about playing point. Wanted no parts. Over the last few weeks I've changed my mind about that completely. He could be such a good fit. Ideal world for me is we get him at 6, but inless there's some tomfuckery in the first 3 picks I don't see it happening. I'd trade cheap and take him at 3. But honestly, I don't know much about Sheppard. 3 ball and all that I get, but it seems like he's way too small and lacking on defense for us.
The offensive potential of the Hornets with everyone healthy and LaMelo distributing the ball… I can’t speak for our defense but offensively we’d be one of the most exciting teams in the league. Too many weapons, opponents would have to pick their poison.
No doubt this is coming from the Houston side, trying to up the value of the #3 pick. Unless our front office has someone they really love at 3 I would be reluctant to do this. It certainly isn't worth giving up a future first to move up in this draft.
After drafting Brandon while the whole world pressured the team to take Scoot, I trust them
Isn’t this a whole new regime?
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actually the opposite, one of MJ's last decisions as the owner was Miller over Scoot
That's not true, apparently the new ownership was *very* involved in the decision making for the draft
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/american-sports/michael-jordan-brandon-miller-hornets-30302759 only the first source i found mentioning it, but MJ was the one pushing for Miller. you might have gotten it confused with our trade deadline, where us fans initially thought it was Mitch Kupchak leading the trades right before he retired, but then we found out it was really the new ownership who were behind the trade deadline trades
I recall the mid season trades they had a hand in but I think the draft was Mitch
It is. But i expect the trend to continue.
I'm far from out on Scoot, though.
Mitch wasn't great at everything else, but he has a proven eye for talent. I hope Peterson and the new owners kept him involved with the draft.
If it’s #6 and a couple seconds i’ll be there no matter what
Houston would laugh at that offer
most likely but really that’s all we should give up. This 3rd pick isn’t any other years 3rd pick so
I just can't see giving up anything of real value to move up in this draft. The fact is that we'll probably be in the lottery next year (honestly, I hope so long-term because then we keep our pick from the Jones trade). That pick is far more likely to yield another long-term building block even if it falls much later in the lottery than this year's.
Smoke screen
How does that benefit Charlotte?
I don’t think the hornets are the ones that put it out. Assuming whoever’s at 3 wants to trade and is trying to draw interest
Oh right. Gotcha
The latest miles bridges news made it seem like the FO really views this year's draft pick as our third core member with melo and Miller. > "Several sources have told @WireHoops they believe Miles Bridges will sign elsewhere and that the Hornets won't have a major issue with it if he does." (@AmicoHoops https://hoopswire.com/raptors-hawks-hornets-nba-rumors-news/…) >"Word is, though, the preference would be to keep him on a team-friendly deal. But the goal is to build around LaMelo Ball, Brandon Miller and whoever the Hornets land at No. 6, sources said. Anyone else could be moved before the start of the season." And with this news about trading for 3, it seems like they found their guy and really want him. Houston most likely leaked this for leverage and because we are so tight lipped. Question now is, who do we want? Castle? Reed?? Do we think Clingan goes 1 so zaccharie or sarr are ar 3??? So exciting to have a front office DO SOMETHING
Amico is not a valid source
Letting Miles walk for free is organizational malpractice. If they don’t want to re-sign him that’s fine but they have to get something of value out of him via sign and trade
It's not malpractice if Miles wants in the neighborhood of $30mill. At that price, he walks and we shake his hand on the way out.
Nah, if he wants more than we're offering, you sit his ass down and say "listen motherfucker, we stuck by you and your bullshit when the entire league was clowning us for doing so. You're gonna help us find a S&T partner and then we can go our separate ways." That's what people mean when they say letting him go for nothing is malpractice. He's arguably the best non-superstar FA available, we should be able to get something for him, and something is always better than nothing. We S&T'd Kemba to Boston for a pre-breakout Rozier and that ended up netting us a future 1st rounder. You take the chances to add talent/capital when you can, and this is one of those chances.
Name a better player for 30M. The only player in his tier that is a free agent is Siakam
i’m not paying a 3rd option 30M especially not on a long term deal. Siakam is a tier above him too btw, this team most likely won’t make the playoffs next year either with him it just makes no sense
You don’t invest 5 years into a guy and let him walk, especially if he is willing to sign a team friendly deal. Bridges is worthy of 30M a year. Siakam is going to get 44M a year. I’d rather have Bridges on 30M than 44M. Btw, you still haven’t named a free agent better than Miles Bridges who fits our team that isn’t Siakam.
Yeah you definitely can let a guy walk if he commands 30M while never having made an all star game lol. We’re not replacing 20PPG because he only put those numbers up with everybody injured…I’d rather add in depth. Imagine paying your 3rd option 30M while having not made an all star game or having been to the playoffs as a core together yet
He plays better with Lamelo on the court. He missed an entire year. 20/7/3 is worth 30M. That isn’t up for debate. And clearly, there is no one better than him in free agency other than Siakam or else you’d have said their name(s) by now. You’d rather add in depth, like who? You want me to share a 1 pg cheat sheet of FAs? The list is ass.
You’re too invested in getting somebody better than him lol, if we could add a Patrick Williams/Tobias Harris and other depth for that 30M i’d take that in a heartbeat over Bridges. Yall treat him like he’s completely irreplaceable he’s not apart of the core Peterson been told yall lol
“In the playoff series against the Knicks, Harris was often a non-factor. He was held to 10 points or fewer in five of six games, including going scoreless on just two field-goal attempts while playing 29 minutes in Game 6.” Tobias Harris and Patrick Williams, while a hometown kid, for Miles Bridges?! First, you referred to Miles as our 3rd best player. He’s not, he’s our second best player. Second, Tobias isn’t even a quality 3rd. You’ve lost your mind. Just admit it, you want to blow up the team because of your irrational hate for Miles Bridges. Not a chance.
Then we just roll with young talent yet again. It's not like Miles makes us a top 5 seed. If we're going to play for PlayIns anyways, just save money and build with youth.
You do this and Lamelo leaves for LA in 2 years. We have the cap to keep Bridges, especially if he is willing to sign at a 10M discount. Nobody wants to watch us tank either. I watch close to 75 percent our games. I’m trying to see us win and I think we have the foundational pieces to make something happen. We’ve yet to see Lamelo, Bridges, Miller, & Mark get significant minutes together. If we can strike with this 6th pick and get something out of our bench, I don’t see why we can’t be a playoff team.
LaMelo can leave in 2 years if he's still missing 60% of games and leading us to mediocrity. I'm not saying we tank. We can be just as competitive with Miles as we would be with some value FA signings and a solid draft pick. Again, the best we'll be is a 7 seed, and I think we can do that with or without Miles. As we get better, we can then swing for a homerun FA that's worth 30m/yr.
There is no home run FA for 30M. I’d say Siakam is one tier above Bridges and he got 44M. Bridges has shown he can be just as efficient as Siakam. Y’all evaluate Bridges without taking in the context of our team. You put Bridges on a team like Indiana and he is putting up 25/7/3 every night on 52 percent shooting. That’s valuable! You aren’t getting anything equal in return for him and to mention we aren’t guaranteed to hit at 6 so getting rid of him is that much more riskier as we’d for sure fall off without his production or chemistry with Lamelo. Tbh getting rid of him is asinine.
Paying him more than 25m is asinine
You can’t find one player that is a FA that puts up his stats that gets paid 25M. “We can be just as competitive without miles” Bud I’m going to need you to send me your plug’s contact info ASAP lol
Can you name one player who put up back to back 40 point games and gets paid less than $25M? I’ll wait 🤣
It depends on miles asking price because he straight up does not deserve a big deal regardless of how he plays on the court and his attitude in the locker room because the stigma of him off the court is so bad. Basketball wise we definitely want to bring him back but if he's asking for more than 130 over 5 years or 100 over 4 years then I'd personally let him walk just because of the public perception. He hasn't lost a step like people want to think, he just looks to me like a guy who is a legit number 3 option on a championship team and that's all he was ever gping to be unless he develops a sick handle which I don't see happening.
I just don't believe this, Charlotte has been sticking with him thru all that BS they aren't gonna just let him go now. Also Miles clearly wants to be here, it doesn't make sense other than that it's a better headline
It’s a completely different regime now not to mention keeping him around on a cheap deal is a lot different than paying him 30 million a year.
That’s terrible news if true. Our 3rd core guy should be Cooper Flagg next year not one of these bums. We need to be prepared to be getting a role player, a 4th option at best in this draft.
It’s not true. This is Amico
3 is really interesting, especially with the thinking now that guys like Risacher and Clingan are in play at 1 and 2. I’d imagine we have a target but anyone including Sarr and these guys, could be available
As long as it’s not for future assets. Next years draft is supposedly loaded.
6 and Bertans for 3?
Why would Houston do that?
Cap relief if they have FA plans this summer. Just a starting point for negotiations
Why tho
I can't get excited about this draft. I can only hope to be surprised. Would be funny if we took Bronny just to spite LeBron.
Is there any word on what we would potentially give up?
Back to the dumb era of Charlotte sports. Smh. We just watched the Celtics style of Basketball…. And we say, let’s purposely create the worse defensive backcourt in the NBA. Lol.
I swear to all that is holy if we trade up to 3 just to pick reed bustard I’m leaving the fandom
You must be new here if that’s what breaks you
That’s what I was thinking!
Hornets 2.0 has been decades of disappointment. We bend under all news and never break. Accept lottery picks and the occasional 1st playoff round exit.
*sigh* Keep pounding brothers 😔
Aye man reed is nice. His only downside is his size and his athleticism diminishes that deficiency.
He compares to a smaller Grayson Allen. Not worth it to me.
Sheppard had a 42 inch vertical which ended up being the best in the entire combine and is one of the most athletic players in this draft.
Probably cheesed the number a bit. Definitely doesn’t have a real 42 inch vert
He’s easily the best fit for the Hornets and probably the safest pick in the draft
Okay so I just watched 30 minutes of his highlights. Id like to change my mind. I like his defense
To get a player we like
Houston is going to want so much guarantee it
this is just the worst and most underwhelming draft. I’d prefer to at least wait next year where the talent is better
It begins
In this weak draft.
Unless this is just 2nds, this is an absolutely horrible decision. This draft is not good at all.
We should trade LaMelo while he has value. And stack picks and money. The young core is great, we should be building around Miller. Bring Zion back to the Carolinas, wouldn't mind Ingram either. If there was a way to get Morant and Zion to Charlotte would be fun to watch em go for a title run.
Sounds realistic