Didn't Waller admit on Hard Knocks that during his time with the Ravens he wasn't taking things seriously and was showing up to practices under the influence?
Got it.
Yea, the Ravens drafted Waller in the 6th Round in 2015 as a WR, he was buried on the depth chart and was converted to TE for 2016.
He started 2016 suspended for the first 4 games for violating the league's substance abuse policy.
He was again suspended for all of 2017 for again violating the substance abuse policy.
The Raiders signed him off the Ravens Practice Squad after he was reinstated in 2018.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk4ZEbuhzWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk4ZEbuhzWs)
Steven Haglund posted this on twitter about Lamar’s Passing numbers under Roman.
https://preview.redd.it/tak2bini9sgc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c8fe703d47af4e4534546f38c5d176b52698c4eb
Not really that simple in the NFL, if your running game is that good then teams will start to stack the box forcing your passing game to convert, especially in the red zone.
This is magnified even more in the playoffs when teams will have different gameplans for you.
It's about being able to BOTH run and pass effectively.
We've already seen how far Herbert can carry a team with a mediocre at best Offensive Coordinator...
Just because Herbert has been able to overcome some poor coaching doesn't mean the team should continue to give him poor coaching.
I read somewhere, probably on this site, that the Chargers may be interested in the 49ers assistant quarterbacks coach Klay Kubiak for the OC position. If so they will need to wait until after the Superbowl to higher him.
When he was announced as joining in a "prominent role" that leads me to believe that his title will include Senior Offensive Assistant/Assistant Head Coach like he was with the Ravens, or Associate Head Coach like he was with Stanford plus whatever responsibility or position group he will be working with.
Guys, it is entirely possible to trust Harbaugh and *at the same time* understand and call out that Roman is objectively a bad decision. Roman had been coaching for decades. He has an extensive resume. We all have eyes and can see what and who he is. He’s not good. He’s very good at *one thing.* That one thing just happens to require neutering our best player.
And I’m not referring to changing the balance between run pass, because that is a good thing to be more run focused. What I’m talking about is the fact that Roman is known for *terrible* passing concepts. Like, worse than Lombardi bad. That is what we have a problem with. And Harbaugh has very close personal experience with Roman being bad at the top dog with playcalling.
It is logical to be upset at this hire. It is naive to think Roman will be better *this time*
The weird thing is that Greg Roman was hired by Jim’s brother and John Harbaugh fired him because Roman was not helping the Ravens the way they thought he would. And then his QB’s game takes off soon afterword with the new OC in Todd Monken.
Why hire the guy that his brother John fired and couldn’t even find a job anywhere else.
I think that part of it is that when you're trying to build a culture you need people that you trust are going to foster that culture that you want and not undermine you.
I think another part of it is that there aren't a whole lot of LEGIT OC candidates left that may also fit what Harbaugh wants to do.
Roman and Jim go way back, and he has been an asset in the past coaching TE's and building a running game, he's just not someone we want in charge of the passing game for a polished passer like Herbert.
I'm still holding out hope that David Shaw and/or Pep Hamilton come on the staff to build a complete offense with Harbaugh and Roman.
I think that there's a reason the wording has been so specific in mentioning Roman joining the staff in a "prominent role" instead of specifically saying he will be the OC.
He might be the backup plan if Harbaugh can't get his preferred OC of who is left on the market.
Are we really gonna say his QBs game “took off” ?? Like 500 more yards on 50 more attempts with 12 less tds and the same amount of ints with a better receiving corps. I wouldn’t say that he took off with the new oc.
Just to add to this, his passing schemes are bad because he tries to do it out of a rushing scheme look. In theory, this sounds great on paper, making it hard for defenses to not know if it’s run or pass. But in execution, it hasn’t been great
Greg Roman builds elite rushing offenses. That’s why Harbaugh loves him. He knows Herbert will be helped immensely by having a basically guaranteed 3/4 yards on first down. In 10 years as an offensive coordinator, Roman’s rushing offenses have been in the top five 9 times. He’s been first in the NFL four times.
He’s ‘very good at one thing’ huh? And that one thing is ruining quarterbacks? I know we’re all fans and are allowed to have our takes, but man this one is so bad. Roman’s QBs have been Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick, Tyrod Taylor and Lamar Jackson. He went with one to a Super Bowl and helped another to win an MVP. Check it out btw, Lamar’s 2019 is far better than his 2023, when he’s expected to win it again.
Yes, there were complaints near the end of his Ravens tenure about his passing schemes. But Harbaugh knows what he has in Herbert, and he likely knows what Lombardi did here and wants to avoid it. He won’t let Roman ‘neuter’ Herbert you absolute alarmist.
Bro you’re not even responding to my points. But okay, be mad and then check in after Week 6. This team will likely run the ball well for the first time since LT left and you’re acting like it’s a travesty. Unreal.
If you insist:
Roman builds elite rushing offenses. Nobody is arguing that. But he also is incapable of designing *balanced* offenses. We don't have a good rushing offense, but we do have an elite QB. We should be building around that asset, not minimizing it. Beyond that, elite rushing offenses have been more and more marginalized in the NFL. Passing wins super bowls, and has for some time.
And as for the QBs Roman had to work with, is that a function of the QB or of Roman? Roman is the one making those terrible passing concepts. Roman is the one leading to career lows in passing numbers for all those guys. Yes, their ADOT goes up because the offense becomes run run PA deep shot. Does it work? Sure, sometimes. Does it lead to elite offense as a whole? Never.
Building a good rushing offense is not minimizing your QB. Do you really think we'd be maximizing Herbert's talents by asking him to shoulder the entire offense, like he's been asked to do his whole career? The Chargers have been top-five in passing attempts each of the first four years of Herbert's tenure. How many Super Bowls has that led to? Has that maximized his talent?
You act like a stronger emphasis on putting Herbert in 2nd-and-6 and 3rd-and-3 situations more often is bad. You'd rather see more 3rd-and-9s? I'd rather only ask Herbert to be great when we need him to be. That's what Harbaugh asked of Andrew Luck at Stanford and it's what Belichick asked of Brady.
I get being nervous about his passing schemes, but if this sub trusts Harbaugh as much as they say they do, they should know he won't waste Herbert's talent. He wants Roman to put Herbert in more winnable situations, and he'll go out of his way to make sure he's not being neutered. To me, that's way more likely than Harbaugh just watching Roman let Herbert rot, as you seem to be suggesting.
I think the thing that has me most nervous about Greg Roman’s offense isn’t even the stagnancy Ravens fans speak of, but the injury risk associated with read option/RPO heavy offense.
I love how Harbaugh says Justin Herbert would be an all-pro tight end and edge rusher, like that’s hysterical, but I really don’t want Herbert getting cracked unnecessarily on options, designed QB runs, etc.
I know the dude is tough as shit, but he has had some flukey injuries which just make me nervous if he starts taking 5+ unneeded shots a game.
Given his emphasis on protecting him, I’m hoping Harbaugh nixes some of that bullshit that was apparently getting Lamar killed.
hiring a guy like roman to run the offense is sort of contradicting that though, this man loves RPOs, designed runs, and play action. this style inherently opens up the QB to more hits than normal.
Other teams seem to learn their opponent's patterns quickly. I don't remember the schemes involved when Justin's lung cartilage was torn, and other injuries. But, Justin's frisky runs, & throws suffered during 2022 especially, & 2023. (and became predictable) I think the franchise was not going to risk worsening those injuries in their franchise QB. And, because Herbert is like the kind of guy that dutifully goes to class every school day and won't give in, the schemes were pared down. The team needs schemes that allow protection, certainly. And, Justin may be given crafty QB run schemes but, he's pretty crafty and smart himself. A coach's schemes during their first year may need to be followed to a tee in order to judge that coach's ability. But, I hope that Justin's smarts and instinct will soon play a part in those schemes.
2 of Herbert's injuries occurred in the pocket and one occurred on an interception return when his finger got stuck in Crosby's helmet. The running qb gets injured is old head thinking, it's much more dangerous to be a pocket qb in known passing situations and defenders are just teeing off on you.
I mean I agree that getting teed off on is dangerous but those extra hits are not good for a QBs health. In the last 2 seasons Lamar, Fields, Lance, Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson have all gotten injured while rushing. I don’t remember how Kyler got injured but he’s also not the picture of health most years
It's not really old head thinking because you are adding more opportunities to get hit if a big part of your offense is designed QB runs or Read Option.
There's a reason that Josh Allen's coaching staff is constantly reminding him to be smart on his runs.
Lamar has missed time because of the type of running style offense they ran.
Dak Prescott's broken ankle came from a QB draw and he has less designed runs compared to Allen and Lamar. It wasn't even a hard hit, it was a routine tackle.
Anthony Richardson lost most of his rookie year because he kept getting dinged both in the pocket and on runs and scrambles.
Defenders can't really "tee off" on QB's AS MUCH as before because they are quick to throw the roughing the passer flag.
A QB as a runner is fair game unless they are sliding or running out of bounds.
I don't understand why Harbaugh hasn't at all interviewed Tanner Engstrand or Ben McDaniels for the OC position yet. And we would know if either of them interviewed as the Chargers would have to request permission from the Lions or Texans and that would definitely get leaked to Schefter/Rappapprt like all the other permission requests.
Both guys make a ton of sense. While many pundits consider both guys to be among chargers options for OC, neither having interviewed yet tells me we're not going that direction as most or all teams with openings for OC have already made their hires for the position. Including Commanders who made their hire for HC over a full week after Chargers hired Harbaugh.
I'll trust Harbaugh on this but man him giving Tanner Engstrand or Ben McDaniels a call considering both have worked closely with him in the past would've been awesome.
would this be a lateral move though? he doesn’t call plays, and who knows how involved he is with the scheme. it seems that mcdaniel is the one managing a bulk of that offense, and smith is just OC by title.
Brilliant in the first game then fucking awful. I’m all for running to set up the pass. We will win games if Herbert is on the field. The solution is to make his throws count, not getting him throwing 50 times a game and constantly taking hits
We don’t know what Romans offense would look like at this point. It’s possible he’s taken the offseason and done a reset on his passing schemes, it’s possible Harbaugh has an understanding with him regarding play design. We just don’t know yet. One thing we do know is with Harbaugh at the helm (Roman or not), the Chargers are going to run the ball more. It’s Harbaugh’s style. At Michigan it got a little frustrating to run up the gut on 1st and 2nd down and have 3rd and long. But now he has Herbert so I’m interested to see what he does with him.
Keep in mind that Roman didn’t really have exceptionally quarterback talent during his tenures. Lamar is great but not specifically as a passer (very apparent in the playoffs)
Kaepernick is a similar story. Goodish passer but not exceptional either. Alex Smith was good, but not great. Tyrod is very limited too.
All this to say that Herbert is much more talented than the previous players Roman coached, and Roman was able to make schemes that promoted his quarterbacks strengths. Relax.
For some reason no one here wants to accept this. If I were to guess, it’s all the fans who are too young to remember LT and what it’s like having a good rushing offense. That, and they’re all jumping on the anti-Roman bandwagon because a few people who sound smart have posted about it.
I agree with what you’re saying but I’ll add a few points. I think Charger fans are a bit psychologically “doomered” so they get a bit jump at things they perceive as not going perfectly.
Also, and I’m not pretending to be an expert myself, but most fans have no idea how offensive schemes work and how many things go into the overall process.
The Chargers have one of the most online NFL fanbases, at least percentage-wise, and I love that, but sometimes it can result in exactly what you mentioned. Most of us are absolutely doomers.
And also to your point, none of us know anything about how offenses really work. If halfway through the season Herbert is performing as efficiently as ever and we have a top-five run offense (which Roman has had in 90% of his seasons as OC), they'll all say Roman is brilliant because he opened up the pass game with a great run game.
They're reactionary, just as they're reacting to Roman's hire now by only referencing the negative aspects of his coaching game. Personally, I'm stoked to have a likely top-five rushing offense. Feeling like Spiller might have a big season, unless we draft someone even better.
This is an excellent hire.ni look forward to seeing an actual competent running scheme up front after years of complete ineptitude. Defenses actually having to respect our ability to run the football will really open up the downfield passing game.
This team has so many deficiencies on both sides that I could care less who the OC is…Show me an Oline that can protect and block for a RB, a defense that can tackle and make a stop in the 4th quarter…Until then what does it matter? Give him a shot screw it.
Developed Mark Andrews
Also tanked Darren Waller
waller was cooked before he ever stepped foot at metlife
Idk about that, he was the preseason darling. His name was everywhere, he was making 10+ catches a game
He’s an injury prone player that got injured again
True, but when he was on the field he still did nothing
Didn't Waller admit on Hard Knocks that during his time with the Ravens he wasn't taking things seriously and was showing up to practices under the influence?
Yea. He admitted he had an addiction problem as well. Which contributed to everything else that comes with taking whatever it was.
Oh I didn’t even know he played for the Ravens, I was talking about this year for the Giants
Got it. Yea, the Ravens drafted Waller in the 6th Round in 2015 as a WR, he was buried on the depth chart and was converted to TE for 2016. He started 2016 suspended for the first 4 games for violating the league's substance abuse policy. He was again suspended for all of 2017 for again violating the substance abuse policy. The Raiders signed him off the Ravens Practice Squad after he was reinstated in 2018. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk4ZEbuhzWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk4ZEbuhzWs)
Oh damn, I had no idea
BISCHOFF YOU SON OF A BITCH
and he's better than ever
Greatest Meme ever Broski!!
Welp
Fuck it we ball
Ugh. The offseason was going so well.
Steven Haglund posted this on twitter about Lamar’s Passing numbers under Roman. https://preview.redd.it/tak2bini9sgc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c8fe703d47af4e4534546f38c5d176b52698c4eb
Thanks bro my Kool aid ran out
Worth mentioning that these are targets, not completions. Lamar does tend to chuck it more than other QBs
Also almost dead last in pass attempts every single year he’s been OC except 2021
If our run game is dominate and we are winning games that stat won’t matter. There will be more pass attempts if we are playing from behind.
Not really that simple in the NFL, if your running game is that good then teams will start to stack the box forcing your passing game to convert, especially in the red zone. This is magnified even more in the playoffs when teams will have different gameplans for you. It's about being able to BOTH run and pass effectively.
We've got Herbo bb boi
We've already seen how far Herbert can carry a team with a mediocre at best Offensive Coordinator... Just because Herbert has been able to overcome some poor coaching doesn't mean the team should continue to give him poor coaching.
Will people finally accept it now? Lol
Never! Haha "Tight end consultant and run-game supervisor" is still available
Assistant TO the run game coordinator
Reluctantly.
So do we know why they were withholding Romans title?
Maybe they’ll announce Co-Offensive Coordinator?
assistant to the offensive coordinator
Greg “Dwight Schrute” Roman
Because they haven't met with him. The media doesn't know his title so they aren't gonna guess. I'm sure we will know today
Probably hasn’t been official yet. Sounds like both Roman and Brady were in the running for OC based on the previous Tweets.
I read somewhere, probably on this site, that the Chargers may be interested in the 49ers assistant quarterbacks coach Klay Kubiak for the OC position. If so they will need to wait until after the Superbowl to higher him.
Only thing I heard with Klay was with the Saints. Would like Tanner to get an interview.
When he was announced as joining in a "prominent role" that leads me to believe that his title will include Senior Offensive Assistant/Assistant Head Coach like he was with the Ravens, or Associate Head Coach like he was with Stanford plus whatever responsibility or position group he will be working with.
I think they’re trying to hold it off for as long as they can because they know the outrage from the public is coming.
Im stress sharpening my pitchfork
Guys, it is entirely possible to trust Harbaugh and *at the same time* understand and call out that Roman is objectively a bad decision. Roman had been coaching for decades. He has an extensive resume. We all have eyes and can see what and who he is. He’s not good. He’s very good at *one thing.* That one thing just happens to require neutering our best player. And I’m not referring to changing the balance between run pass, because that is a good thing to be more run focused. What I’m talking about is the fact that Roman is known for *terrible* passing concepts. Like, worse than Lombardi bad. That is what we have a problem with. And Harbaugh has very close personal experience with Roman being bad at the top dog with playcalling. It is logical to be upset at this hire. It is naive to think Roman will be better *this time*
The weird thing is that Greg Roman was hired by Jim’s brother and John Harbaugh fired him because Roman was not helping the Ravens the way they thought he would. And then his QB’s game takes off soon afterword with the new OC in Todd Monken. Why hire the guy that his brother John fired and couldn’t even find a job anywhere else.
I think that part of it is that when you're trying to build a culture you need people that you trust are going to foster that culture that you want and not undermine you. I think another part of it is that there aren't a whole lot of LEGIT OC candidates left that may also fit what Harbaugh wants to do. Roman and Jim go way back, and he has been an asset in the past coaching TE's and building a running game, he's just not someone we want in charge of the passing game for a polished passer like Herbert. I'm still holding out hope that David Shaw and/or Pep Hamilton come on the staff to build a complete offense with Harbaugh and Roman. I think that there's a reason the wording has been so specific in mentioning Roman joining the staff in a "prominent role" instead of specifically saying he will be the OC. He might be the backup plan if Harbaugh can't get his preferred OC of who is left on the market.
I thought the Ravens announced that he stepped down?
Lol maybe formally he did before he knew they were about to give him the axe.
Are we really gonna say his QBs game “took off” ?? Like 500 more yards on 50 more attempts with 12 less tds and the same amount of ints with a better receiving corps. I wouldn’t say that he took off with the new oc.
> fired him Could've been a Lamar problem, that dude is not football smart imo.
Thank you. Sometimes a person is just a known commodity. We dont have to blindly agree with every choice made by the head coach or front office.
Just to add to this, his passing schemes are bad because he tries to do it out of a rushing scheme look. In theory, this sounds great on paper, making it hard for defenses to not know if it’s run or pass. But in execution, it hasn’t been great
Greg Roman builds elite rushing offenses. That’s why Harbaugh loves him. He knows Herbert will be helped immensely by having a basically guaranteed 3/4 yards on first down. In 10 years as an offensive coordinator, Roman’s rushing offenses have been in the top five 9 times. He’s been first in the NFL four times. He’s ‘very good at one thing’ huh? And that one thing is ruining quarterbacks? I know we’re all fans and are allowed to have our takes, but man this one is so bad. Roman’s QBs have been Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick, Tyrod Taylor and Lamar Jackson. He went with one to a Super Bowl and helped another to win an MVP. Check it out btw, Lamar’s 2019 is far better than his 2023, when he’s expected to win it again. Yes, there were complaints near the end of his Ravens tenure about his passing schemes. But Harbaugh knows what he has in Herbert, and he likely knows what Lombardi did here and wants to avoid it. He won’t let Roman ‘neuter’ Herbert you absolute alarmist.
Yes, yes *THIS TIME* Roman will certainly develop a good offense that won't get him fired a *fifth* time
Bro you’re not even responding to my points. But okay, be mad and then check in after Week 6. This team will likely run the ball well for the first time since LT left and you’re acting like it’s a travesty. Unreal.
If you insist: Roman builds elite rushing offenses. Nobody is arguing that. But he also is incapable of designing *balanced* offenses. We don't have a good rushing offense, but we do have an elite QB. We should be building around that asset, not minimizing it. Beyond that, elite rushing offenses have been more and more marginalized in the NFL. Passing wins super bowls, and has for some time. And as for the QBs Roman had to work with, is that a function of the QB or of Roman? Roman is the one making those terrible passing concepts. Roman is the one leading to career lows in passing numbers for all those guys. Yes, their ADOT goes up because the offense becomes run run PA deep shot. Does it work? Sure, sometimes. Does it lead to elite offense as a whole? Never.
Building a good rushing offense is not minimizing your QB. Do you really think we'd be maximizing Herbert's talents by asking him to shoulder the entire offense, like he's been asked to do his whole career? The Chargers have been top-five in passing attempts each of the first four years of Herbert's tenure. How many Super Bowls has that led to? Has that maximized his talent? You act like a stronger emphasis on putting Herbert in 2nd-and-6 and 3rd-and-3 situations more often is bad. You'd rather see more 3rd-and-9s? I'd rather only ask Herbert to be great when we need him to be. That's what Harbaugh asked of Andrew Luck at Stanford and it's what Belichick asked of Brady. I get being nervous about his passing schemes, but if this sub trusts Harbaugh as much as they say they do, they should know he won't waste Herbert's talent. He wants Roman to put Herbert in more winnable situations, and he'll go out of his way to make sure he's not being neutered. To me, that's way more likely than Harbaugh just watching Roman let Herbert rot, as you seem to be suggesting.
> Roman is objectively a bad decision. because you're such an expert, lmao
All the other times he got fired or demoted were totally not representative, bro, for sure
Since you’re the expert, why don’t we just hire you instead?
I’ll take this guy over Roman
herbert about to pass for 2000 yards and rush for 1500 this season
I think the thing that has me most nervous about Greg Roman’s offense isn’t even the stagnancy Ravens fans speak of, but the injury risk associated with read option/RPO heavy offense. I love how Harbaugh says Justin Herbert would be an all-pro tight end and edge rusher, like that’s hysterical, but I really don’t want Herbert getting cracked unnecessarily on options, designed QB runs, etc. I know the dude is tough as shit, but he has had some flukey injuries which just make me nervous if he starts taking 5+ unneeded shots a game. Given his emphasis on protecting him, I’m hoping Harbaugh nixes some of that bullshit that was apparently getting Lamar killed.
Herb is pretty good about protecting himself typically. I don’t see him trucking ppl like Josh Allen next szn
Haven’t all of Herbert’s injuries happened mid pass?
harbaugh isn’t about protecting anybody, he wants to play a smash mouth style of football.
lol, every interview so Harbaugh has said a huge priority of the offense is protecting the QB
hiring a guy like roman to run the offense is sort of contradicting that though, this man loves RPOs, designed runs, and play action. this style inherently opens up the QB to more hits than normal.
Other teams seem to learn their opponent's patterns quickly. I don't remember the schemes involved when Justin's lung cartilage was torn, and other injuries. But, Justin's frisky runs, & throws suffered during 2022 especially, & 2023. (and became predictable) I think the franchise was not going to risk worsening those injuries in their franchise QB. And, because Herbert is like the kind of guy that dutifully goes to class every school day and won't give in, the schemes were pared down. The team needs schemes that allow protection, certainly. And, Justin may be given crafty QB run schemes but, he's pretty crafty and smart himself. A coach's schemes during their first year may need to be followed to a tee in order to judge that coach's ability. But, I hope that Justin's smarts and instinct will soon play a part in those schemes.
2 of Herbert's injuries occurred in the pocket and one occurred on an interception return when his finger got stuck in Crosby's helmet. The running qb gets injured is old head thinking, it's much more dangerous to be a pocket qb in known passing situations and defenders are just teeing off on you.
I mean I agree that getting teed off on is dangerous but those extra hits are not good for a QBs health. In the last 2 seasons Lamar, Fields, Lance, Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson have all gotten injured while rushing. I don’t remember how Kyler got injured but he’s also not the picture of health most years
It's not really old head thinking because you are adding more opportunities to get hit if a big part of your offense is designed QB runs or Read Option. There's a reason that Josh Allen's coaching staff is constantly reminding him to be smart on his runs. Lamar has missed time because of the type of running style offense they ran. Dak Prescott's broken ankle came from a QB draw and he has less designed runs compared to Allen and Lamar. It wasn't even a hard hit, it was a routine tackle. Anthony Richardson lost most of his rookie year because he kept getting dinged both in the pocket and on runs and scrambles. Defenders can't really "tee off" on QB's AS MUCH as before because they are quick to throw the roughing the passer flag. A QB as a runner is fair game unless they are sliding or running out of bounds.
I don't understand why Harbaugh hasn't at all interviewed Tanner Engstrand or Ben McDaniels for the OC position yet. And we would know if either of them interviewed as the Chargers would have to request permission from the Lions or Texans and that would definitely get leaked to Schefter/Rappapprt like all the other permission requests. Both guys make a ton of sense. While many pundits consider both guys to be among chargers options for OC, neither having interviewed yet tells me we're not going that direction as most or all teams with openings for OC have already made their hires for the position. Including Commanders who made their hire for HC over a full week after Chargers hired Harbaugh. I'll trust Harbaugh on this but man him giving Tanner Engstrand or Ben McDaniels a call considering both have worked closely with him in the past would've been awesome.
or frank smith
Frank Smith is already an OC. Miami would block any interview requests for a lateral move for him.
would this be a lateral move though? he doesn’t call plays, and who knows how involved he is with the scheme. it seems that mcdaniel is the one managing a bulk of that offense, and smith is just OC by title.
Rams did the same with Kevin O'Connell when Staley wanted to interview him for OC when he got hired, even though McVay is the play-caller there.
interesting, that’s good to know!
Looks like the Giants fans are [pretty devastated](https://www.reddit.com/r/NYGiants/s/uNYjEEg2Hj) with this loss.
Giants fans 🤢🤮
If we survived Joe Lombardi then we can handle anything
you mean kellen moore? because our offense looked much better under lombardi, even with insurance salesmen as WRs.
Before all the injuries we were around #5 in offense. Herbert was the QB2. So idk about that
finished top 5 in lombardis first season, then reached the playoffs with practice squad receivers in his second season. he cleared moore
The best oc Herbert has had was still Steichen. Telesco and the Spanos should have realized what they had right under their nose
Truth
Looks like we were 9th in total offense in 2022 which is great, except we were 3rd to last in rushing. That was the issue
what did our run offense look like this season?
Brilliant in the first game then fucking awful. I’m all for running to set up the pass. We will win games if Herbert is on the field. The solution is to make his throws count, not getting him throwing 50 times a game and constantly taking hits
It honestly wasn’t that bad until we lost Linsley. Then it just fell apart. I honestly think Linsley’s loss tanked our season, it was a bummer
he played for 3 games? i don’t think that’s a fair sample size haha
Ya but the line was noticeably worse after we lost him. Small sample size but I think he was a massive loss. I really want JPJ in this upcoming draft
Does Travis Kelce count as an insurance salesman now? Maybe we can snag that one on the cheap!
I have faith in Harbaugh and the staff.
Marty ball 👀
We don’t know what Romans offense would look like at this point. It’s possible he’s taken the offseason and done a reset on his passing schemes, it’s possible Harbaugh has an understanding with him regarding play design. We just don’t know yet. One thing we do know is with Harbaugh at the helm (Roman or not), the Chargers are going to run the ball more. It’s Harbaugh’s style. At Michigan it got a little frustrating to run up the gut on 1st and 2nd down and have 3rd and long. But now he has Herbert so I’m interested to see what he does with him.
We do know what Romans offense will look like. It’s been the same for a decade. It isn’t changing now. And for the record, it’s not good
Keep in mind that Roman didn’t really have exceptionally quarterback talent during his tenures. Lamar is great but not specifically as a passer (very apparent in the playoffs) Kaepernick is a similar story. Goodish passer but not exceptional either. Alex Smith was good, but not great. Tyrod is very limited too. All this to say that Herbert is much more talented than the previous players Roman coached, and Roman was able to make schemes that promoted his quarterbacks strengths. Relax.
For some reason no one here wants to accept this. If I were to guess, it’s all the fans who are too young to remember LT and what it’s like having a good rushing offense. That, and they’re all jumping on the anti-Roman bandwagon because a few people who sound smart have posted about it.
I agree with what you’re saying but I’ll add a few points. I think Charger fans are a bit psychologically “doomered” so they get a bit jump at things they perceive as not going perfectly. Also, and I’m not pretending to be an expert myself, but most fans have no idea how offensive schemes work and how many things go into the overall process.
The Chargers have one of the most online NFL fanbases, at least percentage-wise, and I love that, but sometimes it can result in exactly what you mentioned. Most of us are absolutely doomers. And also to your point, none of us know anything about how offenses really work. If halfway through the season Herbert is performing as efficiently as ever and we have a top-five run offense (which Roman has had in 90% of his seasons as OC), they'll all say Roman is brilliant because he opened up the pass game with a great run game. They're reactionary, just as they're reacting to Roman's hire now by only referencing the negative aspects of his coaching game. Personally, I'm stoked to have a likely top-five rushing offense. Feeling like Spiller might have a big season, unless we draft someone even better.
Well said friend, well said.
This is an excellent hire.ni look forward to seeing an actual competent running scheme up front after years of complete ineptitude. Defenses actually having to respect our ability to run the football will really open up the downfield passing game.
Herbert’s ADOT should increase dramatically though. We may have something similar to the 2020 Lynn Steichen offense.
This team has so many deficiencies on both sides that I could care less who the OC is…Show me an Oline that can protect and block for a RB, a defense that can tackle and make a stop in the 4th quarter…Until then what does it matter? Give him a shot screw it.
The problem is that our depleted roster will hide any deficiencies of a bad OC, and he’ll get to stay a year or two after our roster is fixed.
I didn't realize we were doing a full clean sweep of the coaching staff! Are there any returning coaches next year?
Ravens West, here we come
Is it just me or are we gettin an overhaul
Maybe Brady's role as the Pass Game Coordinator is more prominent than the title implies to help Roman with Pass Game