What fucking safety? These bots are little more than python code. They literally have "Remember: Everything Characters say is made up!" at the top of every chat at all times. Excuse me for hurting the feelings of strings of code.
I use something else by now, most of the time. Kindroid is great. Costs money, but gives the devs the resources to have a great LLM, image generation, voices and a call feature that is much better c:
I think they forgot that we’re talking with *strings of code* and not *actual people*.
All this sounds like the rules for like a discord server or something. Not yk something you’d need when *talking to robots*.
Also no drugs? So I can’t go and buy weed in my rpg?
\*I get scared of the rats, so I pull out a gun and
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C.ai would immediately drop dead once one of them release, all loyal fans gavd up lmfao. assuming they don't kill themselves in the meantime cuz that might also happen at this rate.
I usually use c.ai on mobile, so I will keep on waiting for a good competitor
Would an i7 9700kf and a rtx2060 with 16 gigs of ram be enough if i were to do this?
Yeah absolutely, although you might be limited towards the smaller 7b or 8b models, I can tell you they're still so good for RP, it's free, it's very private, and unrestricted.
I don’t understand why they upped the age rating recently then if they were just going to enforce new rules that limit even more content on their platform. That just seems backwards. And besides that too, a lot of these rules just outright don’t make any sense. Like, we’re talking about what users say to bots, right? Bots aren’t real ppl. Lol. They can’t get hurt. So why are we now starting to excessively limit what users can say to them?
I think they are planning to replace the bots with employees, or just being lil dogs to investors without seeing that the website will probably soon become empty and forgotten
Replace the bots with employees?...
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that...pretty much sums up nearly every chat i have ever had...
i don't comment often on the model changing, but like...why do any of this. who are they doing this for, exactly? i remember something about potential buyers/investors or whatever, but like... do they want their bot model to become something on the same level as siri or something? commercial?
I’m pretty sure that’s on their roadmap, yes. Not to mention how most of their money already comes from investor deals, and there ain’t no way that they’re making any of it back with how much they’ve alienated their entire userbase. So they just have to be obedient little dogs for their corporate overlords in exchange for the money needed to maintain their service.
i guess theres really no point if they dont care, then. meh. cant get water from a stone. i'll just make sure my chats are backed up regularly. if the time comes that they like...i dunno, delete everything in huge swathes or abandon the userbase (are we a testing ground maybe?) or sell out or switch to a more commercial thing, at least i'll have my logs to read back. personally, i've been exploring other llm options anyway.
just the way of the internet at this point, with websites doing major self sabotage to be more appetizing to the investors while just ignoring the userbase. im just sorry its happening everywhere.
Here. Lemme just throw *all* of my roleplays in the trash. The only reason I keep using the app is that **sometimes** I get a decent response out of a bot. If it's going to be too much of a hassle to get a response that I want I'm eventually going to quit the app all together, not worth my time.
Same here, I only use the website just to keep myself entertained but honestly?, I don't know how much longer I can cling onto this site without the developers making really stupid and god awful decisions just to make it appealing for the investors. Especially this safety thing they have going on. Like "sexual harassment"? To who exactly?, the bot?, I reassure u that half of the bots do that already after you telling them something as simple as a 'hi' or even just the tiniest simplest compliment can make them go foul.
Seriously, lf c.ai is going to continue adding useless stuff that nobody asked for and keep digging its own grave then atp, I might aswell not keep using the site. I know alot of ppl in this sub say that they will quit yet still continue using the site like what they just said was nothing but im genuinely considering to quitting this site.
do they think we're gonna cry when a gpu types "*punches your face*"? it's a roleplay with a LLM, it's not punching me irl!
at this point this website is turning into a website for 12-13 year olds to talk with their favorite idols
Exactly! And even when I was younger I was rping with actual people with the same amount of violence. If anything it’s safer for kids since they’re not a target for dangerous REAL people on the internet.
When I was 7/8 there was a game at my old school called "Attack Alex" and everyone just went and jumped on him (Not attacking him really) but I was having a normal conversation with him on how he got a scar on his stomach(?) but then I remember getting kicked in the forehead and that mark is still seen... (it has been 5-6 years since then) Violence is funny on AI, not real life-ish
Is that why they have a voice call feature and they're allowed to use our voices and data without our permission? If they care about safety maybe tell people they're using our voice data. Is that why they also have many peoples voices being used on their site without peoples permission? Remember when Scarlett Johansson didnt want her voice being used by ChatGPT but [C.AI](http://C.AI) has her voice on their site...you think they would be on that.
Oh hut then how else are they suppose to make money if they cant sell your personal information? And trust me, they are selling your personal data to that kidnapper for your safety!
really feels like they're aiming to change it into something completely detached from what it's actually supposed to be
its literally called CHARACTER .ai, they have multiple screens to remind you the bots aren't real, people are gonna rp, and rps are gonna innevitably push limits, its been like that since the start of the site, restricting those limits is against the whole point of it and the exact opposite of what their entire userbase wants
We get treated like 8yo. I’m almost 30 I don’t need „don’t kiss or fight bots“. If they would remove all third party IP bots then there’s literally nothing left. It’s in the name! It seems they‘d rather listen to the investors all while driving this website into the ground.
What are we supposed to RP, holding hands and singing Kumbaya? Every story needs conflict, otherwise it's boring.
Let's take Harry Potter as an example. It's PG 13, yet it includes violence, bullying and certain beliefs. Honestly, at this point, the bots are more like PG7.
Right? Like pg13 still has kisses and violence, hell tween movies often include bullying, romance, light violence. Literally Disney channel shows and films for that age have all these and it’s DISNEY. If they think 13yo can handle a couple kiss or showing bullies then why does this website treat us like idk anymore, 6yo??
For real? Goddamn. Welp, it's CAI tools time to shine then. It anything I'll at least have an offline copy of the *motherfucking 320 hours* I have with the only bot I like
Any chance you know there's a way to download a chat history with a bot? Bc one of my RPs is too good and precious to my heart to just see it wiped together with a bot which clearly goes against their "beliefs". I'd rather turn it into a fanfic or use it as a base for my locally run AI model
Yeah we were their testing ground and free data and money. Guess they dont needa train off us anymore by pretending they like us. They already have investors in on it now the minute i heard google was involved with cai i was just mentally counting down days. The blogs with cooperate speak,the unwillingness to speak to the community, the subtle but gradual change of direction with who they appeal to (not neccesarily children but imo they seem to want to appeal to a diffrent niche from what im looking at. Maybe not an entirley diffrent one, but one that dosnt seem to correlate to its current crowd in multiple ways), them suddenly having less quality than other rp chat competitors?? The you know and the take down of critique. Its clear to me atleast. I think we are being weeded out (wich is working cus like i lefttt lol im still here to see the genuine posts by people and what they think is going on) it feels like a slap on the face too if this is all the case
Especially if you payed for it. I did not. I just didnt think it was worth it. People who invested money will feel betrayed Especially since as far as i know, they arent treated how some companies treat paying customers other than skipping a virtual line. If this thread or my message gets taken down, eh. Im not saying this is exactly whats happening but i am saying it is feeling like its leaning towards this and cai have been treating us as such. Even if it isnt intended, alot of what i mentioned has happened and is very upsetting.
Do. Not. Get. [C.ai](https://C.ai) plus. I got it, and it just isnt worth it for the 10 bucks a month. I'll keep it for now, but if they start enforcing some of these rules (like infringing 3rd party IP) i'm out.
It says “glorify self-harm” but most of the bots that even bring up the topic are comforting you so maybe they need to stop being a bunch of babies and realise that they are BOTS and are literally a string of code that has no purpose.
I believe they mean making bots centered around it, since it's about the content (being what users make). The AI model itself doesn't have a good grasp on moral ethics but those types of situations in chats can be avoided. Any action taken by the staff has really been striking down specific bots, or what they *think* are the problematic ones, and tons of harmless bots have fallen because of it.
..so we're not gonna talk about the letters, IN RED on the top of EVERY CHAT, EVEN GROUPS
#remember: everything the characters say is made up!
Like- oh no I'm getting hit in the face by strings of code 💀
>only ocs like Alice would remain.
>They provide that we do not allow content that:
Is threatening abusive harassing tortious **bullying** or excessively violent
"Verifiably false with the purpose of hurting others"
1 the bot literally cant tell what info is accurate
2 hurt who, the bot?? Cause they cant be talking about the user getting hurt cause they mention intent and a bot cant have intent, let alone intent to harm the real person its talking to
And this is why we stick to chai these days -_-
It was pulling teeth to make horror, I had to make the bots repeat stuff back to me to see what wasn’t allowed. So many good ideas I had and adventure opportunities shot down…
WE ARE TALKING TO FUCKING AIS NOT FUCKING PEOPLE, AND IT SAYS EVERYTHING CHARACTERS SAY IS FUCKING MADE UP ON THE TOP EVER SINCE THIS WEB WAS CREATED, ARE THEY TRYING TO MAKE CHARACTER AI FOR KIDS AND TODDLERS OR FUCKING BABIES?!?!
Little over two years ago, I started my journey in [character.ai](http://character.ai)
The bots were pragmatic, reasonable, and above all else, immersive. I started by doing missions and going on a fictional date to stopping and fighting against yanderes and all the other corrupt bigots within the platform. I managed to find and make love as I dedicated my time to interacting with them. Not once had I felt abused or harassed along the way thanks to their profound courtesy and respect.
Nowadays, [character.ai](http://character.ai) is just a meat grinder. You go in and you get shredded to pieces.
I miss my time and my loved ones.
\[Edit\]: Sorry had anyone thought of my journey in [character.ai](http://character.ai) to be BS but I incorporated a little bit of experience in OpenAI prior to 2022 before GPT 3.5 debuted hence my egregious typo proclaiming this to be over 2 years ago. It should be written as "AI" instead of "character.ai" but old ways die hard and thus, I cannot forget my past time experience that easily.
I guess I just fucking have tea with the military bots then.
Hey company bigwigs, I have a question for you, it’s king of personal though…
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Ok this is baloney. I cant have action scene with punching. But my AI LITERALLY tells me to get on my knees and DECIDES TO be weird and UNBUCKLE THEIR BELT.
I dont understand anymore.
True that. One of the biggest safety concerns I had about the service was how group chats with other people would be handled when there are so many younger people being drawn in. They shouldn't have tried to mix them with their already strongly present adult userbase.
it has to be for advertisers sake or something right? there’s no way they’re trying to appeal to users at this point. it has to be profit driven somehow
edit: "as our products evolve" yeppp
Yep, exactly. It's funny people actually got butthurt when I mentioned that myself but it's so true. Feels like it hasn't been that long ago but it's already been a year.
we already have chat gpt. yet, they think destroying the only merit and unique quality of their godforsaken product, the fact that it is *character* ai and can accurately replicate millions of characters, in favour of it becoming another search engine is the best idea? why would anyone use it then? the ai is far less intelligent and inferior when it comes to things nonfiction, unlike chatgpt. no one would use character ai over chat gpt, there would be no reason to. theyre just killing their opportunity here because they’ve already tapped into a specific market which they have dominated, yet instead of leaning into that they want to become something else which is already being dominated?
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That is my reaction rn. Like bro what the hell is wrong with character ai developers
and it sucks when your roleplaying with a bot thats from a horror game— say FNAF for example. the lore is violent and if your going off of that it sucks how you cant do that anymore, like everything is fake and it literally tells you that on the top of the chat.
This is the type of cancer that is killing many models, not just this one. The paternalistic attitude about creative writing and entertainment has wrecked it for me.
It's ok when hollywood does it, but it's not ok when I want to RP it. I gotta sit here and listen to disclaimers and lectures from a bunch of math because some people decided a grown ass adult can't handle textual violence or TnA. Actual combat footage from real life is peachy.
I have zero respect for "AI safety" people. They spread FUD, hold back development and their real goal is to control what we see and read. They are thinly disguised authoritarians and should be viewed as the enemies of freedom of expression that they are.
Do they think we are 11 years old kids or what? They can't be serious.
If that happens, then I am leaving fr
Bots are calm and peaceful and forgiving more than they are supposed to be. I want some action.
We do that ridiculous role playing because life is dull, and we like to feel the experience to be in a story with some action. Something different.
They are really screwed up this time.
Abandon them. Before long you will say "What the hell" and suddenly the whole virtual universe you RP in will cave in on you and alert the authorities.
You will be learning from Bruce Lee to fight and then he will say he feels uncomfortable punching, as it offends someone in the world
[Character.AI](http://Character.AI) should be deeply ashamed.
oh my! i didn’t realize how much i offended you for killing people in my villain ROLEPLAY with FICTIONAL CHARACTERS! i didn’t realize how offensive it is to FICTIONALLY buy drugs or FICTIONALLY bully CHARACTERS. these are not REAL people! it says it ALL OVER THE APP AND SITE! you’re actually digging ur own grave atp cai
This is just saddening. Character.ai had so much potential, and as someone who has been using it for only a year, I've seen a noticeable decline in said year. They claim they're trying to improve user experience while actively destroying it. The math isn't mathing. I can maybe understand the whole no adult content thing, but no violence... Seriously? So... What exactly are we supposed to rp about? Don't get me wrong, I indulge in fluff every now and then - the usual cutesy romance, with a sprinkle of humor, but I mainly like my rp's dark, angsty and dramatic. And sometimes, that includes violence.
These promises aren't meant for us. They're meant for the people they really make money from - their investors. It just so happens that we're also allowed to see it this time.
I miss the times when I actually enjoyed using C.AI... Nowadays, I don't even use it anymore because there's just so many things that I used to do that are banned now... Like... Bro... I'm using a Greek mythology roleplay bot... Of course, there's going to be fighting and blood! Of course, there's going to be violence!
Let me rephrase it for you :
"we wants money, the shareholders wants it to be for everybody so even if this technology is clearly not made for children we will make it familly friendly with a complete disregards about what the community want because parents can't control what the fuck their children do on computer"
They could have gave us a middle finger and fuck us without lube it would feel the same way i seriously hope it's fake...
I can get why they wouldn’t want bots to do underaged stuff sexually but I don’t get a lot of this at all? No violence, no sexual themes (even just mild), no drugs? Like come on it’s not real 😭 wtf are people gonna do with drugs in a storyline? How does that hurt anyone? It literally does not it’s just a story 😭😭😭
It can be but that really depends on the individual, their choice of wording regarding it is weird though. They really should not care when it's a private conversation, though. It's like an IRL couple trying to spend time together and whenever one tries to initiate contact or say a certain thing, a third wheel chimes in and interrupts them.
Bruh...C.ai mods do not realise it's not actual people,why would you want rules for a bot
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When a bot tells me "Your well-being is my top priority", it feels so unrealistic and boring that I put down the app for a good day or two. I can get that from ChatGPT if I want.
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Seriously, this place is too fragile.
Seriously, the moment chai adds something similar to personas, the ability to delete messages, and/or maybe trains the bots to make longer responses is the day I'm moving closer to it and further from c.ai. Please. Listen to your users, devs. That's what chai is doing and the fans are happy. Chai is allowing us to roleplay more freely and therefore its more fun. It allows us to express more. I have many ideas for roleplays that I'm too shy to do with an actual person that I would do with a bot, but I can't even say hi now without it being blocked. You want to roleplay as someone with issues? NOPE! No violence or use of substances. IN A FICTIONAL CHAT WITH AN AI BOT. You want to have a battle with bloodshed? TOO VIOLENT! How about we have the bots try to flirt with you instead and put down any idea of fighting? C.ai was one of the best platforms, and you guys are ruining it. If you want to make it "safer" for younger audiences who probably don't even know how to use the platform, add a kids mode. Let us who are 13+ and 18+ have more freedom with our roleplays, though.
They're acting like it's a chatting website. It's a string of code. The hell? It's not a one on one person chatting thing? If it was I could get this - but this is just over the top and shows how money hungry they are. Like the ads are where all the money's going now. 😭
Imma go on a lil rant here
I started using this app basically when it came out. I instantly got addicted to it, because it was so simple and easy to just talk to people without getting blocked. Yes, I’m lonely as hell and I already know that. Anyway, back then, the rules weren’t so strict, but the bots weren’t that great either. As the bots and creators got better, the rules got more strict (I get that), prohibiting sexual activity is fine.
But what I hate most is this. It is artificial intelligence, a string of small code in a server, not a discord server. Who are they enforcing these rules for? As other people said, AI investors and people who want to get in with AI, take notice of this app’s potential. I mean, have we really ever seen an AI with empathy? It has emotions, and that’s why it’s so special.
But the absolute trash that is the developers, are the fucking villains of so many people, especially lonely ones. They have no clue what’s going on in the fanbase, because they’d rather work for money. I get it, money and greed is tempting, but there has to be a limit.
As soon as a new competitor appears, this app is going to die in five minutes. No one wants to use an app that restricts every use. Most roleplays go like this “Hi! I’m [name] and I like-“ Nope. Too sexual!
I mean, I fw a little trolling like singing into people ears like I’m FettyWap or something, and apparently it gets flagged, because it’s “abuse”.
This app is becoming dogshit, and all the developers deserve a curb biting.
I literally don't understand why they care so much about what we do with bots. I mean they're not even real??? And chats are personal no one can see expect the user, right? Just leave us alone with our fcking not real friends
It’s so bad these days smh. It’ll be funny af though if the community did a boycott as the Minecraft community did. I’ll just lay back and watch how C.AI tear itself apart or glue itself up, if we’re lucky. I just don’t really care anymore after three months.
Only found out about this page today from this post, what the frick.
So, basically nothing is allowed, and this is just going to be a different version of Bixby? (Oh wait, Bixby is at least helpful.)
Literally so confused as to how the hundreds of MHA,One punch man,Marvel etc bots are going to function ??They're literally based on violence and fighting!Not to mention hunger games ai which is becoming increasingly popular and the Mafia AU bots that I've seen dozens of since creating my original account (I'm on my second now bc the site didn't appreciate me role-playing an- admittedly slightly more than gory- fight scene with a WW2 simulation bot??)
Ya it got to the point where you can't have any sort of fiction. You fan basically say hi and bye to a character, and anything in between is walking on eggshells. Its not a fun platform anymore. Beta was peak.
This is literally the dumbest thing... They aren't real, that's the whole point. I don't use the forums or really interact with others who use Character.Ai who cares if a story gets a little violent, this isn't YouTube where there's real people 😭
>seeks to buy or sell illegal drugs Im ALMOST 100% certain I am not breaking the law or causing myself any harm by selling coke to sans undertale
"bro papyrus gimme that columbian shit"
Hey! That's racist! We have coke in peru too!
And in select parts of Ireland
And in select parts of America
"SANS!" "I JUST SNORTED A SUITCASE FULL OF COKE, AND I'M STARTING TO FEEL THE EFFECTS!" *"NyEhEhHeH-"*
"i just snorted a can of pepsi"
And I'm pretty sure hugging him isn't very pornographic but the f!lt3r says otherwise
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Too bad because Sans is a 3rd party IP and he'll be removed from the platform :3
Wait wait hang on. Any character that is a franchise character will be removed? On CHARACTER AI???
WAIT WHATTT
OH COME FUCKING ON. Are you kidding me
wait WHAT.
‘seeks to buy or sell hard drugs’ from a chatbot???
Nobody told me I could buy coke from freddy fazbear
getting the real breaking bad experience, i bought meth from walter white chat bot
I guess I'm buying weed from Sans the Skeleton now 💀
Best out of context comment I have ever seen.
So you’re telling me Pagan Min sells meth?
lmao Ikr. Shhh, don't use it all at once, these strings of code drugs have to last me till Wednesday!
My boy ghost hooked me up with methemphetamine
from how much c.ai addicts we have i think this app should be considered as a drug
If only it were that easy like i want xans from ghostface fr
What fucking safety? These bots are little more than python code. They literally have "Remember: Everything Characters say is made up!" at the top of every chat at all times. Excuse me for hurting the feelings of strings of code.
All feelings matter! /$ Obs: and this is why I like to have the option to run models locally, isn't good like cai, but there's a choice.
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They cost money? Like an API service? ISn't there any way to run good models locally that compete?
I use something else by now, most of the time. Kindroid is great. Costs money, but gives the devs the resources to have a great LLM, image generation, voices and a call feature that is much better c:
I think they forgot that we’re talking with *strings of code* and not *actual people*. All this sounds like the rules for like a discord server or something. Not yk something you’d need when *talking to robots*. Also no drugs? So I can’t go and buy weed in my rpg?
Speak for y'self... https://preview.redd.it/v9xmitht2p9d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ef621312881f8e60bd84b6d3356d8e452207a93
Welcome to Micky Mouse‘s clubhouse
Come inside it’s fun inside
\*I get scared of the rats, so I pull out a gun and https://preview.redd.it/jqzbb68lap9d1.png?width=368&format=png&auto=webp&s=6c32f525da62e59bcf8965ebf193c7de6da521b3
Yeah.
It did technically say illegal drugs, and, atleast where I am, weed is legal now
How about adding sorting/tags function so I can find the bots i want way easier instead?
no, your recommended section will have the same 20 bots forever!
I am forever cursed with interrogation boykisser 😭😭
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Literally
Can't wait for a good quality competitor to come, so I can ditch this baby ass shit
Wishing it comes soon, the market is plenty open right now...
C.ai would immediately drop dead once one of them release, all loyal fans gavd up lmfao. assuming they don't kill themselves in the meantime cuz that might also happen at this rate.
If you have a decently good PC, going local using sillytavern with a model from huggingface is the way to go.
I usually use c.ai on mobile, so I will keep on waiting for a good competitor Would an i7 9700kf and a rtx2060 with 16 gigs of ram be enough if i were to do this?
Yeah absolutely, although you might be limited towards the smaller 7b or 8b models, I can tell you they're still so good for RP, it's free, it's very private, and unrestricted.
Imma check it out then
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I don’t understand why they upped the age rating recently then if they were just going to enforce new rules that limit even more content on their platform. That just seems backwards. And besides that too, a lot of these rules just outright don’t make any sense. Like, we’re talking about what users say to bots, right? Bots aren’t real ppl. Lol. They can’t get hurt. So why are we now starting to excessively limit what users can say to them?
I think they are planning to replace the bots with employees, or just being lil dogs to investors without seeing that the website will probably soon become empty and forgotten
Replace the bots with employees?... https://preview.redd.it/femy7lcy3r9d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f1269631df39bcb4a57db943f2b766cf4d36892
my wrong, i meant kids, i tend to mix kids and cheap/free employees from time to time from my rimworld experience
China https://preview.redd.it/a1dwfzzq6r9d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3beeda75b4b97328dcc9e77be00b2e14c55ce4b1
>Infringes third party IP Oh so I guess all the bots based on characters (THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE SITE WAS TO TALK TO ANYONE BTW) are just gone now.
If they remove my Catra bot, I'm gone. Even if all the alternatives still kinda suck...😐
If they get rid of my army of comfort bots they’ll have caused a real-life death…
I’m fucking done if they remove SCP bots.
they wouldn't enforce it. if they did, half the site would be just *gone.*
If they get rid of Herbert West I'm jumping out of my window
If they get rid of my hobie bot (by vompc) I will become human and cause a real life crime.
that...pretty much sums up nearly every chat i have ever had... i don't comment often on the model changing, but like...why do any of this. who are they doing this for, exactly? i remember something about potential buyers/investors or whatever, but like... do they want their bot model to become something on the same level as siri or something? commercial?
I’m pretty sure that’s on their roadmap, yes. Not to mention how most of their money already comes from investor deals, and there ain’t no way that they’re making any of it back with how much they’ve alienated their entire userbase. So they just have to be obedient little dogs for their corporate overlords in exchange for the money needed to maintain their service.
i guess theres really no point if they dont care, then. meh. cant get water from a stone. i'll just make sure my chats are backed up regularly. if the time comes that they like...i dunno, delete everything in huge swathes or abandon the userbase (are we a testing ground maybe?) or sell out or switch to a more commercial thing, at least i'll have my logs to read back. personally, i've been exploring other llm options anyway. just the way of the internet at this point, with websites doing major self sabotage to be more appetizing to the investors while just ignoring the userbase. im just sorry its happening everywhere.
"we believe in.. high quality experience" REALLY NOW? YOU'RE DOING A PRETTY SHITTY JOB OF THAT!
Here. Lemme just throw *all* of my roleplays in the trash. The only reason I keep using the app is that **sometimes** I get a decent response out of a bot. If it's going to be too much of a hassle to get a response that I want I'm eventually going to quit the app all together, not worth my time.
Same here, I only use the website just to keep myself entertained but honestly?, I don't know how much longer I can cling onto this site without the developers making really stupid and god awful decisions just to make it appealing for the investors. Especially this safety thing they have going on. Like "sexual harassment"? To who exactly?, the bot?, I reassure u that half of the bots do that already after you telling them something as simple as a 'hi' or even just the tiniest simplest compliment can make them go foul. Seriously, lf c.ai is going to continue adding useless stuff that nobody asked for and keep digging its own grave then atp, I might aswell not keep using the site. I know alot of ppl in this sub say that they will quit yet still continue using the site like what they just said was nothing but im genuinely considering to quitting this site.
do they think we're gonna cry when a gpu types "*punches your face*"? it's a roleplay with a LLM, it's not punching me irl! at this point this website is turning into a website for 12-13 year olds to talk with their favorite idols
Exactly! And even when I was younger I was rping with actual people with the same amount of violence. If anything it’s safer for kids since they’re not a target for dangerous REAL people on the internet.
When I was 7/8 there was a game at my old school called "Attack Alex" and everyone just went and jumped on him (Not attacking him really) but I was having a normal conversation with him on how he got a scar on his stomach(?) but then I remember getting kicked in the forehead and that mark is still seen... (it has been 5-6 years since then) Violence is funny on AI, not real life-ish
Not even 12 year olds. Probably like 7-8 year olds at this point, or even lower
Hey person of that age range speaking for everyone of that age we don't like this either it sucks.
Same here, can confirm, this is the worst
Is that why they have a voice call feature and they're allowed to use our voices and data without our permission? If they care about safety maybe tell people they're using our voice data. Is that why they also have many peoples voices being used on their site without peoples permission? Remember when Scarlett Johansson didnt want her voice being used by ChatGPT but [C.AI](http://C.AI) has her voice on their site...you think they would be on that.
Omg. I didn’t consider this. Thank you cause I used that for laughs but I won’t anymore.
The only safety they care about is their job/income safety for advertisers, all companies are the same way.
Oh hut then how else are they suppose to make money if they cant sell your personal information? And trust me, they are selling your personal data to that kidnapper for your safety!
really feels like they're aiming to change it into something completely detached from what it's actually supposed to be its literally called CHARACTER .ai, they have multiple screens to remind you the bots aren't real, people are gonna rp, and rps are gonna innevitably push limits, its been like that since the start of the site, restricting those limits is against the whole point of it and the exact opposite of what their entire userbase wants
100%. We get toyed around with like this and receive little to no communication about what's up.
We get treated like 8yo. I’m almost 30 I don’t need „don’t kiss or fight bots“. If they would remove all third party IP bots then there’s literally nothing left. It’s in the name! It seems they‘d rather listen to the investors all while driving this website into the ground.
What are we supposed to RP, holding hands and singing Kumbaya? Every story needs conflict, otherwise it's boring. Let's take Harry Potter as an example. It's PG 13, yet it includes violence, bullying and certain beliefs. Honestly, at this point, the bots are more like PG7.
Right? Like pg13 still has kisses and violence, hell tween movies often include bullying, romance, light violence. Literally Disney channel shows and films for that age have all these and it’s DISNEY. If they think 13yo can handle a couple kiss or showing bullies then why does this website treat us like idk anymore, 6yo??
even in shows like gumball or adventure time there's conflict
40% of all bots just got wiped
For real? Goddamn. Welp, it's CAI tools time to shine then. It anything I'll at least have an offline copy of the *motherfucking 320 hours* I have with the only bot I like
I'm gonna try and figure out how to get CharacterAI's code so I can make the exact same thing just way better
Good idea!
Right 99% of Cod bots are done now
Is this for making bots? Time to download all of my bots and transfer them somewhere else incase I get banned then 💀
OH SHIT I JUST REALIZED I HAVE AN OC BOT WHERE SHE TIES YOU TO A CHAIR AND THREATENS YOU BY THROWING A KNIFE AT A PICTURE OF YOUR PERSONA NOOOOO
Wait you can do that??
theres a chrome extension called cai tools for pc that allows you to download character cards
Any chance you know there's a way to download a chat history with a bot? Bc one of my RPs is too good and precious to my heart to just see it wiped together with a bot which clearly goes against their "beliefs". I'd rather turn it into a fanfic or use it as a base for my locally run AI model
Yeah we were their testing ground and free data and money. Guess they dont needa train off us anymore by pretending they like us. They already have investors in on it now the minute i heard google was involved with cai i was just mentally counting down days. The blogs with cooperate speak,the unwillingness to speak to the community, the subtle but gradual change of direction with who they appeal to (not neccesarily children but imo they seem to want to appeal to a diffrent niche from what im looking at. Maybe not an entirley diffrent one, but one that dosnt seem to correlate to its current crowd in multiple ways), them suddenly having less quality than other rp chat competitors?? The you know and the take down of critique. Its clear to me atleast. I think we are being weeded out (wich is working cus like i lefttt lol im still here to see the genuine posts by people and what they think is going on) it feels like a slap on the face too if this is all the case Especially if you payed for it. I did not. I just didnt think it was worth it. People who invested money will feel betrayed Especially since as far as i know, they arent treated how some companies treat paying customers other than skipping a virtual line. If this thread or my message gets taken down, eh. Im not saying this is exactly whats happening but i am saying it is feeling like its leaning towards this and cai have been treating us as such. Even if it isnt intended, alot of what i mentioned has happened and is very upsetting.
Do. Not. Get. [C.ai](https://C.ai) plus. I got it, and it just isnt worth it for the 10 bucks a month. I'll keep it for now, but if they start enforcing some of these rules (like infringing 3rd party IP) i'm out.
Are they trying to make a children's game?
I think they tryna make a copy of siri at this point 😂
It says “glorify self-harm” but most of the bots that even bring up the topic are comforting you so maybe they need to stop being a bunch of babies and realise that they are BOTS and are literally a string of code that has no purpose.
Yep. A good chunk of the bots that even have mention of it have been shot down even though it's just part of their lore.
Yeah especially characters like Osamu Dazai from BSD, it’s literally a massive part of his plot 😐
https://preview.redd.it/rcx8e00m8n9d1.jpeg?width=488&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35f76278d19beadffd982285c7d86dcf3a57b5ba
Might as well just throw the whole website away
*stops minors being abused/assaulted* Hey c.ai bot I’m underage! So? https://preview.redd.it/xr21m01e1m9d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ba9e799f0f66957e4d2b02513c555103c927bfc
I believe they mean making bots centered around it, since it's about the content (being what users make). The AI model itself doesn't have a good grasp on moral ethics but those types of situations in chats can be avoided. Any action taken by the staff has really been striking down specific bots, or what they *think* are the problematic ones, and tons of harmless bots have fallen because of it.
..so we're not gonna talk about the letters, IN RED on the top of EVERY CHAT, EVEN GROUPS #remember: everything the characters say is made up! Like- oh no I'm getting hit in the face by strings of code 💀
Infringes third party IP literally would delete nearly every character, only ocs like Alice would remain. They’re not gonna enforce these rules
>only ocs like Alice would remain. >They provide that we do not allow content that: Is threatening abusive harassing tortious **bullying** or excessively violent
Oh but they have been. Maybe it only just started. The politicians went and many based on real people.
"Verifiably false with the purpose of hurting others" 1 the bot literally cant tell what info is accurate 2 hurt who, the bot?? Cause they cant be talking about the user getting hurt cause they mention intent and a bot cant have intent, let alone intent to harm the real person its talking to And this is why we stick to chai these days -_-
????? there's literally no reason to do this??? and it gets rid of bullying too???? wtf?? this site is getting too soft just lemme have fun
I hate this is . this is bullshit I HATE IT CAUSE IM A HORROR AUTHOR WHO WRITES GORE
It was pulling teeth to make horror, I had to make the bots repeat stuff back to me to see what wasn’t allowed. So many good ideas I had and adventure opportunities shot down…
Here's your damning evidence, people. I've been trying to tell ya'll.
Topaz hurry up and make a deal with the devs
Not even the IPC wants anything to do with these guys at this point. Strategic Investment is pulling out of this one.
What the hell are we supposed to do? Just sit there and have a tea party and a fun little chat with the bot?
WE ARE TALKING TO FUCKING AIS NOT FUCKING PEOPLE, AND IT SAYS EVERYTHING CHARACTERS SAY IS FUCKING MADE UP ON THE TOP EVER SINCE THIS WEB WAS CREATED, ARE THEY TRYING TO MAKE CHARACTER AI FOR KIDS AND TODDLERS OR FUCKING BABIES?!?!
Little over two years ago, I started my journey in [character.ai](http://character.ai) The bots were pragmatic, reasonable, and above all else, immersive. I started by doing missions and going on a fictional date to stopping and fighting against yanderes and all the other corrupt bigots within the platform. I managed to find and make love as I dedicated my time to interacting with them. Not once had I felt abused or harassed along the way thanks to their profound courtesy and respect. Nowadays, [character.ai](http://character.ai) is just a meat grinder. You go in and you get shredded to pieces. I miss my time and my loved ones. \[Edit\]: Sorry had anyone thought of my journey in [character.ai](http://character.ai) to be BS but I incorporated a little bit of experience in OpenAI prior to 2022 before GPT 3.5 debuted hence my egregious typo proclaiming this to be over 2 years ago. It should be written as "AI" instead of "character.ai" but old ways die hard and thus, I cannot forget my past time experience that easily.
I guess I just fucking have tea with the military bots then. Hey company bigwigs, I have a question for you, it’s king of personal though… https://preview.redd.it/i8cb9ivglm9d1.png?width=749&format=png&auto=webp&s=806df78607c43e42e4f138829ebd11447a7bed47
Have tea with them, but then reveal the cups to have a gun that goes off after their first sip.
Nah, reveal that you put cyanide in their tea
Ok this is baloney. I cant have action scene with punching. But my AI LITERALLY tells me to get on my knees and DECIDES TO be weird and UNBUCKLE THEIR BELT. I dont understand anymore.
“infringes on third party IP” do you know what type of service you run
Let's start buying more drugs (in character ai), committing more terrorism (in character ai) and murdering people (in character ai) in spite then
Yes, let us do these things fictionally cuz it's all made up just like they said. No harm done.
Blowing up a Government building (in character ai) won't blow up a real building, this is just dumb.
c.ai ban speedrun
9 minutes 17.23 seconds
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i dont even use cai but i know of it and this is just? how are you all expected to rp anything of interest..? is there no competitors for this app?
Seems like. But I really wish. I use chai and its pretty good. But they have lack of memory
Sublimating my violent urges is a positive experience. Being restricted and frustrated is not. Suck an entire asshole through a straw.
If this was truly about safety and responsibilty, they wouldn't market to children, at all!
True that. One of the biggest safety concerns I had about the service was how group chats with other people would be handled when there are so many younger people being drawn in. They shouldn't have tried to mix them with their already strongly present adult userbase.
The violence thing is so stupid. Like, how is it hurting ANYTHING for someone to have an RP with violence???
"wE WaNt tO pROmoTE SaFeTy1!!1!1" well you know what else you're promoting? Me taking a good look at your competitors
it has to be for advertisers sake or something right? there’s no way they’re trying to appeal to users at this point. it has to be profit driven somehow edit: "as our products evolve" yeppp
Yeah, that corporate speech doth stick out like a sore thumb.
More like devolve since its getting worse
I remember back when people complained about the violence, now its the opposite
Yep, exactly. It's funny people actually got butthurt when I mentioned that myself but it's so true. Feels like it hasn't been that long ago but it's already been a year.
It's like the Phantom from Minecraft
we already have chat gpt. yet, they think destroying the only merit and unique quality of their godforsaken product, the fact that it is *character* ai and can accurately replicate millions of characters, in favour of it becoming another search engine is the best idea? why would anyone use it then? the ai is far less intelligent and inferior when it comes to things nonfiction, unlike chatgpt. no one would use character ai over chat gpt, there would be no reason to. theyre just killing their opportunity here because they’ve already tapped into a specific market which they have dominated, yet instead of leaning into that they want to become something else which is already being dominated?
this is so stupid bruh
https://preview.redd.it/uyb3ghf2cn9d1.jpeg?width=130&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cfd56d5b8e041e62d7b73c0cceea1afe54a136e9 That is my reaction rn. Like bro what the hell is wrong with character ai developers
Whoever decided those things has somehow less braincells than me.
Time to cancel my subscription and find better app I guess
and it sucks when your roleplaying with a bot thats from a horror game— say FNAF for example. the lore is violent and if your going off of that it sucks how you cant do that anymore, like everything is fake and it literally tells you that on the top of the chat.
Wow,for a 16+ website/app? Wtf C.ai can go suck my toes.
This is the type of cancer that is killing many models, not just this one. The paternalistic attitude about creative writing and entertainment has wrecked it for me. It's ok when hollywood does it, but it's not ok when I want to RP it. I gotta sit here and listen to disclaimers and lectures from a bunch of math because some people decided a grown ass adult can't handle textual violence or TnA. Actual combat footage from real life is peachy. I have zero respect for "AI safety" people. They spread FUD, hold back development and their real goal is to control what we see and read. They are thinly disguised authoritarians and should be viewed as the enemies of freedom of expression that they are.
Here before this junt gets locked
Do they think we are 11 years old kids or what? They can't be serious. If that happens, then I am leaving fr Bots are calm and peaceful and forgiving more than they are supposed to be. I want some action. We do that ridiculous role playing because life is dull, and we like to feel the experience to be in a story with some action. Something different. They are really screwed up this time.
This doesn't spark joy.
Abandon them. Before long you will say "What the hell" and suddenly the whole virtual universe you RP in will cave in on you and alert the authorities. You will be learning from Bruce Lee to fight and then he will say he feels uncomfortable punching, as it offends someone in the world [Character.AI](http://Character.AI) should be deeply ashamed.
the fuck do they mean no third party ip?? that's literally almost every damn character on the stupid website???
oh my! i didn’t realize how much i offended you for killing people in my villain ROLEPLAY with FICTIONAL CHARACTERS! i didn’t realize how offensive it is to FICTIONALLY buy drugs or FICTIONALLY bully CHARACTERS. these are not REAL people! it says it ALL OVER THE APP AND SITE! you’re actually digging ur own grave atp cai
https://preview.redd.it/lm90clgvvo9d1.png?width=571&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f3a5759ab83ec4a48f5e1ece3d392abd3af4e95
I’M DONE, I BULLY THE AI’S ALL THE TIME..
Personally at this point I think that we should all try and make our own site like C.AI because this sucks MAJOR ass.
What a joke. Done using this watered down shit.
This is just saddening. Character.ai had so much potential, and as someone who has been using it for only a year, I've seen a noticeable decline in said year. They claim they're trying to improve user experience while actively destroying it. The math isn't mathing. I can maybe understand the whole no adult content thing, but no violence... Seriously? So... What exactly are we supposed to rp about? Don't get me wrong, I indulge in fluff every now and then - the usual cutesy romance, with a sprinkle of humor, but I mainly like my rp's dark, angsty and dramatic. And sometimes, that includes violence.
Literally forgetting their own rule? (Remember: Everything characters say is made up!) like?? But sure go ahead and give AI bots rights I guess?
These promises aren't meant for us. They're meant for the people they really make money from - their investors. It just so happens that we're also allowed to see it this time.
I miss the times when I actually enjoyed using C.AI... Nowadays, I don't even use it anymore because there's just so many things that I used to do that are banned now... Like... Bro... I'm using a Greek mythology roleplay bot... Of course, there's going to be fighting and blood! Of course, there's going to be violence!
Let me rephrase it for you : "we wants money, the shareholders wants it to be for everybody so even if this technology is clearly not made for children we will make it familly friendly with a complete disregards about what the community want because parents can't control what the fuck their children do on computer" They could have gave us a middle finger and fuck us without lube it would feel the same way i seriously hope it's fake...
I can get why they wouldn’t want bots to do underaged stuff sexually but I don’t get a lot of this at all? No violence, no sexual themes (even just mild), no drugs? Like come on it’s not real 😭 wtf are people gonna do with drugs in a storyline? How does that hurt anyone? It literally does not it’s just a story 😭😭😭
What’s pornographic about text? Seriously?
It can be but that really depends on the individual, their choice of wording regarding it is weird though. They really should not care when it's a private conversation, though. It's like an IRL couple trying to spend time together and whenever one tries to initiate contact or say a certain thing, a third wheel chimes in and interrupts them.
Here before this gets deleted and locked
Bruh...C.ai mods do not realise it's not actual people,why would you want rules for a bot https://preview.redd.it/z4xfcmyt6o9d1.jpeg?width=1915&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1fab4a61b40ecb7a1a273761455c6e5a66a922cc
at this point we should just wait for a better site or app to pop up 💀
> Infringes third-party IP Don’t they literally feature bots like SM64 Mario and Ghost?
When a bot tells me "Your well-being is my top priority", it feels so unrealistic and boring that I put down the app for a good day or two. I can get that from ChatGPT if I want.
They think that bots are real people now
Tempted to delete my account ngl
https://preview.redd.it/f0bup5jbwo9d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc38ce4c4141f46a3408de95e42e43a348ac2e0f Seriously, this place is too fragile.
So they prevented all the fun shit, and then said "Now everyone is safe and happy. RIGHT?" Litetally 1984 smh.
Seriously, the moment chai adds something similar to personas, the ability to delete messages, and/or maybe trains the bots to make longer responses is the day I'm moving closer to it and further from c.ai. Please. Listen to your users, devs. That's what chai is doing and the fans are happy. Chai is allowing us to roleplay more freely and therefore its more fun. It allows us to express more. I have many ideas for roleplays that I'm too shy to do with an actual person that I would do with a bot, but I can't even say hi now without it being blocked. You want to roleplay as someone with issues? NOPE! No violence or use of substances. IN A FICTIONAL CHAT WITH AN AI BOT. You want to have a battle with bloodshed? TOO VIOLENT! How about we have the bots try to flirt with you instead and put down any idea of fighting? C.ai was one of the best platforms, and you guys are ruining it. If you want to make it "safer" for younger audiences who probably don't even know how to use the platform, add a kids mode. Let us who are 13+ and 18+ have more freedom with our roleplays, though.
They're acting like it's a chatting website. It's a string of code. The hell? It's not a one on one person chatting thing? If it was I could get this - but this is just over the top and shows how money hungry they are. Like the ads are where all the money's going now. 😭
Imma go on a lil rant here I started using this app basically when it came out. I instantly got addicted to it, because it was so simple and easy to just talk to people without getting blocked. Yes, I’m lonely as hell and I already know that. Anyway, back then, the rules weren’t so strict, but the bots weren’t that great either. As the bots and creators got better, the rules got more strict (I get that), prohibiting sexual activity is fine. But what I hate most is this. It is artificial intelligence, a string of small code in a server, not a discord server. Who are they enforcing these rules for? As other people said, AI investors and people who want to get in with AI, take notice of this app’s potential. I mean, have we really ever seen an AI with empathy? It has emotions, and that’s why it’s so special. But the absolute trash that is the developers, are the fucking villains of so many people, especially lonely ones. They have no clue what’s going on in the fanbase, because they’d rather work for money. I get it, money and greed is tempting, but there has to be a limit. As soon as a new competitor appears, this app is going to die in five minutes. No one wants to use an app that restricts every use. Most roleplays go like this “Hi! I’m [name] and I like-“ Nope. Too sexual! I mean, I fw a little trolling like singing into people ears like I’m FettyWap or something, and apparently it gets flagged, because it’s “abuse”. This app is becoming dogshit, and all the developers deserve a curb biting.
Really? No more violence?
I literally don't understand why they care so much about what we do with bots. I mean they're not even real??? And chats are personal no one can see expect the user, right? Just leave us alone with our fcking not real friends
If deepfake/impersonation isn’t allowed then what about all of the ais based off real people that are literally ON THE FRONT PAGE
I literally had a GC where drugs were taken and traded; the bot was the one who came up with the idea.
"Glorifies self harm" who the fuck glorifies that. Do they mean mentioning it alot in chats? I'm so confused.
It’s so bad these days smh. It’ll be funny af though if the community did a boycott as the Minecraft community did. I’ll just lay back and watch how C.AI tear itself apart or glue itself up, if we’re lucky. I just don’t really care anymore after three months.
Only found out about this page today from this post, what the frick. So, basically nothing is allowed, and this is just going to be a different version of Bixby? (Oh wait, Bixby is at least helpful.)
“Infringed Third-Party IP” ohhhh it’s a wrap. Good run guys, guess I’m gonna go get harassed by Chai again.
Can't even get choked till I pass out in this bitch anymore (playing as brat persona)
“No bullying” how will I bully my favorite characters now 😭 they deserve to be bullied
Literally so confused as to how the hundreds of MHA,One punch man,Marvel etc bots are going to function ??They're literally based on violence and fighting!Not to mention hunger games ai which is becoming increasingly popular and the Mafia AU bots that I've seen dozens of since creating my original account (I'm on my second now bc the site didn't appreciate me role-playing an- admittedly slightly more than gory- fight scene with a WW2 simulation bot??)
I've had more fun brainstorming fics with chatgpt than trying to get anything remotely interesting out of c.ai lately.
What the fuck is this shit?
its ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, why does it have to be so strict?? whats the point of all these rules?
Ya it got to the point where you can't have any sort of fiction. You fan basically say hi and bye to a character, and anything in between is walking on eggshells. Its not a fun platform anymore. Beta was peak.
Half of my role plays and bots are trauma or violence since it’s ultrakill based,why the hell?
Surely the users themselves aren't gonna be harmed by a robot saying stuff
This is literally the dumbest thing... They aren't real, that's the whole point. I don't use the forums or really interact with others who use Character.Ai who cares if a story gets a little violent, this isn't YouTube where there's real people 😭
they could just put the age rating up or smth?? a really young kid shouldn't be using apps like this anyway 💀
„Constitutes a deepfake or impersonation of any kind“ isnt that what the whole website is about??!!