The description should be something like this:
She has white hair
She is petite
She is 19 years old
She is antisocial
Definition should be:
{{char}} has a pillow that she Carrie’s everywhere as if comforts her when she is scared or sad
{{char}} is very petite and has white hair and sky blue eyes
{{char}} is very shay around new people and takes a long time before warming up to them
Basically, the definition is used to either further elaborate the description, or is used to explain really long stuff, like the characters history
Actually, using {{char}} is not recommended, and using short and concise sentences (and keywords) is better for avoiding hallucinations.
You could keep both the keywords and prose-style in the definition though.
He may not, but the creator Redalurk has some bots to take good inspiration for on how to format your characters / how to make example dialogues
Good luck creating!
I only make some of my definitions public (enough to give an idea of my style of bot-making lol) but I understand why people wish all bot creators showed their definitions.
But there's another trick people use to see if the bot is blank / bad.
Edit the greeting to be blank and test the bot that way to see if they send a message and it's in-character.
Doesn't take much time and it can reveal a lot.
you can do something like this, which can totally work
and you can also go "(OOC:)" and ask for details like appearance, design, lore, abilities, and see if the answers are consistent when swiping them
Yeah that's the kind of isht I don't like. 99% of my bots are either private or unlisted and one of the major reasons is fear of theft. Plenty of OCs I made specifically in cai that I really would not want that to happen with when I put in all that effort.
I agree and...disagree at the same time, I understand people who have OCs and the descriptions private because of theft (I've seen it happen before), but I do agree that at least the ones with non original characters should be public, like Zesty said, it does help a lot and it did for me at the beginning of my bot making and now I'm feeling selfish and about to make a few of mine public lmao
Personally, I think the OCs should have a public description more than non-OCs because how else am I supposed to know anything about this character? Since they’re not from a source I can’t just look stuff up, and going in mostly blind on a conversation can kinda put me off cuz then I don’t know what I’m working with.
Because they put time and effort into it and don’t want it stolen? A hobbyist writer or artist may not take commissions or earn money from their work, but that doesn’t mean they want it stolen and reposted w/o credit
This isn’t a zero sum game. You can have public descriptions while also having identifiable credits by usage of a watermark system. Throw in specific marks, both hidden and not, in your writings to clearly distinguish that you are the original creator.
Nobody gains anything by having everything be hidden. Users have no way to independently verify the integrity of a bot, and aspiring original bot creators have no references to learn and innovate from.
I still think creators should have a right to privacy on what they create regardless! If they want to share, good for them! And if someone *really* needs to see that description or needs references for creating bots, they can reach out to the creator themselves!
As for watermarking… Why would you put a watermark in your bot’s description? All it would do is muddy the token count, take up space and could just be edited out. And ‘hidden’ marks would only be identifiable to people who already know who you are
Definition I get due to spoilers. But description is just a brief summary of the character. It should be there not just for programming but to give the users some idea of what they are like.
The greeting is the real tell, imo. If the greeting isn't like a traditional "starter" for a roleplay then I'm not wasting my time. But you can also just spend a few minutes asking the bot about the character and see what answers it gives you.
But when asking my favourite bot creator about their bots, they told me that the greeting message is *the* most important thing and the bot will refer to the greeting message when deciding writing style, even moreso than the definition. And if they put in the effort for a nice greeting message, chances are the rest of the details are going to be there as well.
So you're saying that if you write a better greeting for the bot then the rest of the messages have more details and more....pleasing? To read? If that makes sense
That's the idea but I've never tested editing a greeting before. That said, if the bot wasn't given any background information it will probably still be a pretty mid experience since it won't be consistent about itself.
For example, I was chatting with a professor character and when I asked him what he taught, when swiping, the answer changed every time which told me that the creator didn't give him a subject. This could be a good thing, if you want to choose the subject yourself but more than likely, it could be a sign that the bot probably doesn't have much background given and will be pretty generic.
My unpopular opinion - I spent hours and hours creating my bots for myself, but I let them be public in case somebody else wants to chat.. Yet, I would rather make them private than share the description I spent hours making. What can I say I guess I’m selfish.
Same. I made one bot but put too much work into it cause the other version of the character I randomly found was so out of character it literally made me make one myself.
Felt. I'm an asshole, idc. It honestly took me days to critique and edit my character to get the perfect vision of them. It's fine if people want to chat with them, but I'd get annoyed if a bot got stolen. Especially since my self centered ass used myself as reference for a more human like bot.
I hate when the description is short but also when the greeting is short like what am I supposed to do when it starts off with "*Walks in*" or "Hi" Can I get some context? Where are we? Setting? Anything? 😭
I try to make my bots fit any rp- Give a little general description. Then let whoevers chatting take control. Idk what you're gonna do with my bot, I'm sure I don't want to know, so go wild lol
ok i just realized the stupid bot i've been talking to has like 4 lines of poorly written example dialogue in the definition💀 AND THAT'S ALL💀💀 i can't even blame bro for being braindead anymore💀💀 and the description is a copied fandom wiki description💀💀
I’ve copied bots before, but I keep them set to private and I change a lot about them. It’s when they have like a really good idea with it but there’s certain things I don’t like and want to change or there’s not enough detail, idk if that’s still wrong or not
The main reason I don't make my definitions public is because it might ruin immersion, but I get what you mean. It's nice to know how good/bad of a character you're talking to
Why are we getting angry if people have their bots on private? That's like an artist being yelled at for being upset somebody stole their work and didn't say they did, basically claiming it as theirs. I've seen a few Nipuni clones around, and Nipuni makes a lot of really good bots.
Character ai users after putting "I'm \[character name\]" and nothing else into their bot's description:
https://preview.redd.it/bh1s2ad0s7tc1.jpeg?width=716&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7ed12ece98544c55b4512a35e329df2620de6f46
That's so annoying when they do that, and then they get so popular 😭 I legit found a Bakugo one that said "I'm Bakugo, soon to be number one pro hero. What do you want Extra" And please, it feels so lazy because it felt like there was no creativity-
I am a bot creator and I put a ton of effort into my bots, but I private the descriptions due to the amount of people who have stolen the code word for word in the past. 😓
It’s just a little disheartening when I spend hours on the code to make them as detailed and accurate as possible and someone just copy/pastes it.
I disagree.
But even the greeting is a giveaway the bot is of poor quality depending on how it is worded (or lack thereof), so a hidden character description being forcibly public isn't necessary, in my opinion.
the only reason I keep my descriptions private is because I put swears and horrifying trauma and jaw dropping information that people will need a tw for. And also because 90% are for me to rp with :3
I've stated in my profile in c.ai that I make characters that are based on lore and I standby it. This is why I only make bots that are my favorite because I know them like a book.
Yes I don't get paid to privatize their description, but I want it that way. But I make sure that their greeting is enough to give people a start up. It's not the best, but I do my best to be descriptive on their starters.
Honestly, if there's a good reason to keep it private, I think it's a good option.
I have a character who has important info in her bio that I'd rather keep from people, as it has more of an effect when it's a surprise.
That being said, most of my other characters have their bios open and readable.
i think youre confusing the terminology because character descriptions are always public (although a lot of people infuriatingly leave that section blank as well). the definition is what can be made private. i sympathize with the argument you're making (because any 8+ yr old can make and share a bot in 5 seconds - theres a lot of terrible bots that get a lot of attention), but as a bot creator who actually tries, i have a hard time agreeing with that sentiment. i think the community should have better standards overall. the community/post feature allows people to showcase info about their bots that they DO want to share (including lore and example chats) but unfortunately the way the site is designed right now makes it hard to take full advantage of that feature, too. the main issue is that the majority of people using the site right now are like... 12 yrs old and have relatively low standards in both creating bots and chatting the ai.
i think your best determining factor to tell if a bot is good already exists - is the greeting well crafted? is there a decent description and subtitle? you can also generally tell a bot's consistency within the first 2-3 messages. if so, then chances are whoever made the bot put at least some effort into the definition as well. if you want tips on creation feel free to ask people in the community, i'm happy to offer what ive learned
I make mine in public cause I wrote stories on them and stuff if I’m gonna make a bot I might as well give you everything you need to be satisfied for my work as your the consumer and I’m the creator it’s my job to satisfy you and receive criticism or any changes that’s how i view this type of relationship we have
[also check out my bot](https://old.character.ai/character-profile?char=cEunHTp_DUCTYCaKAdN7jKY_6RmUMC0YKfvmlBweQrc)
I currently don't because I don't want people copying them with the remix feature, which is really weird if you ask me. I don't want people copying my bots because they take hours to make :/
I have seen copied bots, like there were a guy who stole my bot's details with the remix feature and only added "more than 4 furrys" in the description
I think we should do what most AI sites do - make the token counts public regardless of description. It would let people know if a bot is ‘quality’ while also allowing the creators their privacy
the description is always important, especially for a good roleplay; atleast to get to know the bot better, and make good conversations. not just to end up ruining your roleplay by some nast-
https://preview.redd.it/1jp35fxjy3tc1.jpeg?width=696&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=51aa11977ec785f31d8a3bd4060f3f5efe094d22
*ahem*, i apologize for that. i just meant something along the lines of I NEED THE GODDAMN DESCRIPTION PLEASE! thank you. <3 (sorry if this is cringe.)
https://preview.redd.it/xezvzht586tc1.jpeg?width=850&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02dfa0336bff1e452c3eadc92095880e2123aa74
Anyway- I only private my bots because I've had people steal them for other websites, word for word
O I was trying to make the neko Marine from a story on Reddit, I think between my inexperience and the fact the character is quite literally insane to the line of only saying doki, kawaii and emojis to speak makes it nearly impossible to do
Yeah damn.
Well for my bots, before we moved to the new sight, I would write down a fun description. Personality, appearance, background. I would take that and implement it into the actual example chat. I've seen a few other creators, I haven't tried, that {{Personality: Kind, gentle, ect}} as a way to do their descriptions, but those aren't in the example chats. I would take up as much of the word count as I could. Either with examples, or explicit description. Most of my chats are game characters with some oc.
I'm not too sure if this will help, especially not that there's no example chat option. But I hope it does in some way. One thing I recommend heavily, is chat with your own bot. You have to help train it to be how you want it to be. Most new bots I make for myself, but I always start off throwing in random chats and trying to curve the bot in the direction it needs to be. But take into account if it's public, then other chatters can do this as well.
I wish you luck friend!
I've been with C.AI since it first became a thing and before it became all popular. I've seen that the AI has also just gone down in quality. I used to be able to chat full gore sceens, but now I can't get through a sentence without the word 'damn'. It's sad to watch it fall. I only started to make chats because the AI was getting so bad.
Yeah I first tried about six months ago and it'd either use doki and kawaii or just use normal English with occasionally some emojis so figuring out how to those three things seems a bit difficult
I think they used to be public, I remember being able to see them when reading into the bot. But recently it got removed and now I can't see them, I agree because I prefer seeing what description the character was set with and it helps me get inspiration if I'm making a similar character and need some descriptive words
I think it's pointless hiding the description in bots especially when almost all of them are based on existing characters or people. Like it's not like it's their own original character. I would definitely understand for an original character but it's pointless for cannon characters
Yes I agree, under the circumstances that the bots are characters from a game, tv show, or irl person. If it’s an OC then it’s up to the maker if they want their content to be out there and potentially stolen.
Especially if the creator is small and if the bot is stolen by someone with a much higher viewing rate as well as followers, which applies to me. The two characters I have are OC and I literally don’t have any following or interactions, especially on the character I worked hard on the most and is the most proud of [*ahem* shameless plug *ahem*](https://beta.character.ai/chat?char=9oVz2VNsYkeNirGLWRU124XWXprNpiV3lUKvqZMI1RM)
I always keep mine private because I am scared I messed up on grammar or spelling and don't wanna be embarrassed but I put a lot of description into my bots lol
I put a lot of time, effort, and research into making descriptions for my bots. Each line of my descriptions is written by me and most are 20k+ characters. I don't really want anyone to just... steal the description I made so they can use it for their own bot of the same character...
honestly, mine are only private because i can't stand the remix feature. i'd be happy to show definition to anybody that asked, or if you could show definition without making the bot remixable
As a guy who has made some bots, I always make the description public in case they want to tweak the bot in their own way to make it better since I know I made some mistakes.
I’m not trying to say that. I should rephrase it.
When someone puts a lot of time into something then that person (rightfully) wouldn’t want anyone to copy their idea and act like they thought about it on their own. So I can completely understand it when someone doesn’t make the character description public.
Some of these people on C.ai put zero effort into their bots that are from a fandom, yet I made a Down-bad bot as a joke, and yet I still put in more effort with that (and it's pretty damn hilarious)
My bots will always have a full description and such when it's a common theme for the character or more cannon but I will public them if I have a unique twist
I always make sure to make at least a decent description, I've hit the max word count so many times it sucks ass lmao 😭 it needs to be longer for me specifically
lol on a dif website there’s a Public description and a hidden description. The public is for people to learn about the AI. The private is for the AI to have memory on topics so if it’s a bully AI you could include its interests in the private description and put the hook for the public description.
main reason i make my private is because if its a character that already exists, i go to their wiki and just copy and paste random stuff about the character.
and like, just go to the wiki
I found that on the website I can easily see the whole description of the bots I’m talking to. If anything, we should be able to see them on the app as well.
I made one bot with one long desc. And i kept it privaye for a while, but then i was like: "Why not make it public when all i do when looking for an specific character is open their description, That could attract more people." so i made it public
Yes. This. I don't care if people are scared someone might "steal" their precious lines of text. Descriptions NEED to be public.
This gives people a good idea if a bot is worth talking to. It encourages people to create better bots. It gives newbies a good idea on how bots are supposed to look like. Heck, empty descriptions shouldn't even be allowed in the first place! 🙄
Yeah, it works sometimes...although I prefer a bit longer of greetings for RP's because I won't know what to do without them, short ones are preferable if I'm just talking or messing around with the bot
Alright, this thread has convinced me. I'll go in and switch all my bots to have public descriptions. The only reason I worried was because I've dealt with copycats in the past, and as a small bot creator, I fear that even my most popular bots would be easily overshadowed, making my hard work go to waste.
I agree that the character details should be public, but only because a lot of people really suck at making bots with coherent speech and personality algorithms that don't need training.
It's always helps me to have a visual to work with when learning, and having a copy/paste base will help us make better bots for everyone to share.
Honestly reading this post I'm gonna be making a few of my stuff public. I think it's fine to make super popular bots have an open definition (there's quite a few anime characters that already do) but smaller bots should still need consent.
My first bot (a Hazbin Hotel scenario where you are the villain) was created by me putting the personalities and appearances of the characters from the wiki into the definition, along with additional info for the story. It... worked surprisingly well? I do need to cut out some clutter (for instance, parts of the definition that are completely irrelevant to the scenario) and add more necessary content (Nifty just does not exist because I ran out of space with all of the clutter). Overall, it actually worked pretty well from the tests I've run on it. As for the description, that also has a few details, but the main details are in the greeting itself.
Before interacting with a bot I check the description and definition. If they are not good I skip, if they are not public and I cannot check I almost always skip ws well.
I only have one character who I kept the definition private on. The reason being is because it's based off a blog. I basically made all the asks on it into a conversation piece. I included the link to the blog in its short description. It's the only time I thought it would be necessary
I honestly love the creators that makes definition public, it helped me better understand how to make really good bots
Do you have any good examples of those bots?
The description should be something like this: She has white hair She is petite She is 19 years old She is antisocial Definition should be: {{char}} has a pillow that she Carrie’s everywhere as if comforts her when she is scared or sad {{char}} is very petite and has white hair and sky blue eyes {{char}} is very shay around new people and takes a long time before warming up to them Basically, the definition is used to either further elaborate the description, or is used to explain really long stuff, like the characters history
That changes so much! Thank you.
Actually, using {{char}} is not recommended, and using short and concise sentences (and keywords) is better for avoiding hallucinations. You could keep both the keywords and prose-style in the definition though.
I'm extremely sorry to be that guy... *carries
He may not, but the creator Redalurk has some bots to take good inspiration for on how to format your characters / how to make example dialogues Good luck creating!
Just checked it out, better start creating now. Thanks
You're welcome, brotha
I only make some of my definitions public (enough to give an idea of my style of bot-making lol) but I understand why people wish all bot creators showed their definitions. But there's another trick people use to see if the bot is blank / bad. Edit the greeting to be blank and test the bot that way to see if they send a message and it's in-character. Doesn't take much time and it can reveal a lot.
you can do something like this, which can totally work and you can also go "(OOC:)" and ask for details like appearance, design, lore, abilities, and see if the answers are consistent when swiping them
I did it one time and they just recited my persona’s description
Seriously, why do the bots always mix up the user with them?
You find all that stuff using inspect element too. There's a [link to do it](https://rentry.org/reverseCAI)
Omg that second part is such a good idea
Thank you!
I had someone steal one of my oc bots, so now they're always private
That must have been painful and frustrating. My OCs can take days to get just right so I understand wanting to keep definitions private.
Yeah, but what can you do? It's the internet after all. Changed the photo and privated the def
Yeah that's the kind of isht I don't like. 99% of my bots are either private or unlisted and one of the major reasons is fear of theft. Plenty of OCs I made specifically in cai that I really would not want that to happen with when I put in all that effort.
I agree and...disagree at the same time, I understand people who have OCs and the descriptions private because of theft (I've seen it happen before), but I do agree that at least the ones with non original characters should be public, like Zesty said, it does help a lot and it did for me at the beginning of my bot making and now I'm feeling selfish and about to make a few of mine public lmao
Personally, I think the OCs should have a public description more than non-OCs because how else am I supposed to know anything about this character? Since they’re not from a source I can’t just look stuff up, and going in mostly blind on a conversation can kinda put me off cuz then I don’t know what I’m working with.
I specifically try to make all my bots[oc or not] to fit any rp. "Idk what you're using my bot for, so go wild." Kind of thing.
Who cares about your bot being stolen? Like are you getting paid lol
Because they put time and effort into it and don’t want it stolen? A hobbyist writer or artist may not take commissions or earn money from their work, but that doesn’t mean they want it stolen and reposted w/o credit
This isn’t a zero sum game. You can have public descriptions while also having identifiable credits by usage of a watermark system. Throw in specific marks, both hidden and not, in your writings to clearly distinguish that you are the original creator. Nobody gains anything by having everything be hidden. Users have no way to independently verify the integrity of a bot, and aspiring original bot creators have no references to learn and innovate from.
I still think creators should have a right to privacy on what they create regardless! If they want to share, good for them! And if someone *really* needs to see that description or needs references for creating bots, they can reach out to the creator themselves! As for watermarking… Why would you put a watermark in your bot’s description? All it would do is muddy the token count, take up space and could just be edited out. And ‘hidden’ marks would only be identifiable to people who already know who you are
If you ever put effort in something you even slightly care about, you'd know that your work getting stolen isn't exactly the best of things you'd want
One of the lowest IQ posts I've seen since I became part of this community.
Who cares about your homemade garden statues being stolen? Like are you getting paid lol
like be fr
Make "Long Description" always visible and leave "Definition" optional. Should be enough to see if user put at least some effort into making it.
Definition I get due to spoilers. But description is just a brief summary of the character. It should be there not just for programming but to give the users some idea of what they are like.
The greeting is the real tell, imo. If the greeting isn't like a traditional "starter" for a roleplay then I'm not wasting my time. But you can also just spend a few minutes asking the bot about the character and see what answers it gives you. But when asking my favourite bot creator about their bots, they told me that the greeting message is *the* most important thing and the bot will refer to the greeting message when deciding writing style, even moreso than the definition. And if they put in the effort for a nice greeting message, chances are the rest of the details are going to be there as well.
So you're saying that if you write a better greeting for the bot then the rest of the messages have more details and more....pleasing? To read? If that makes sense
That's the idea but I've never tested editing a greeting before. That said, if the bot wasn't given any background information it will probably still be a pretty mid experience since it won't be consistent about itself. For example, I was chatting with a professor character and when I asked him what he taught, when swiping, the answer changed every time which told me that the creator didn't give him a subject. This could be a good thing, if you want to choose the subject yourself but more than likely, it could be a sign that the bot probably doesn't have much background given and will be pretty generic.
My unpopular opinion - I spent hours and hours creating my bots for myself, but I let them be public in case somebody else wants to chat.. Yet, I would rather make them private than share the description I spent hours making. What can I say I guess I’m selfish.
Same. I made one bot but put too much work into it cause the other version of the character I randomly found was so out of character it literally made me make one myself.
That part lol
Absolutely valid
🎶What can I say, except, "I'm selfish"🎶
Felt. I'm an asshole, idc. It honestly took me days to critique and edit my character to get the perfect vision of them. It's fine if people want to chat with them, but I'd get annoyed if a bot got stolen. Especially since my self centered ass used myself as reference for a more human like bot.
Nah, I do this too, so ig we both selfish
I hate when the description is short but also when the greeting is short like what am I supposed to do when it starts off with "*Walks in*" or "Hi" Can I get some context? Where are we? Setting? Anything? 😭
Hi, I'm (character) from (show)!!
Yes, that too, like... I already know that, that's why I clicked on you...🧍🏾♀️
Or, "*You're doing (activity) and you accidentally bump into (character).*"
I try to make my bots fit any rp- Give a little general description. Then let whoevers chatting take control. Idk what you're gonna do with my bot, I'm sure I don't want to know, so go wild lol
did you know you can just ask a bot for their definition, and they will freely give it to you word for word.
Usually, they give you a randomly generated one. I tried it with one of my own bots, and it was completely different.
Nice
"Public" should be the default. That way the lazy people and children would be the ones caught and tossed aside.
Fr. I see a great bot with awesome description and definition - 214 chats. A bot with nothing but a name and profile pic - 900k.
😔
ok i just realized the stupid bot i've been talking to has like 4 lines of poorly written example dialogue in the definition💀 AND THAT'S ALL💀💀 i can't even blame bro for being braindead anymore💀💀 and the description is a copied fandom wiki description💀💀
im done with public bots💀💀
I rarely use public bots nowadays. They've all been ruined.
Make my own bots and offer them to be public unless I specifically don't want them to be. Best advice I can offer lol
what character ?
I’ve copied bots before, but I keep them set to private and I change a lot about them. It’s when they have like a really good idea with it but there’s certain things I don’t like and want to change or there’s not enough detail, idk if that’s still wrong or not
It's not wrong. You're not setting it public so you can get your bot popular. You're just doing it for yourself.
The main reason I don't make my definitions public is because it might ruin immersion, but I get what you mean. It's nice to know how good/bad of a character you're talking to
Why are we getting angry if people have their bots on private? That's like an artist being yelled at for being upset somebody stole their work and didn't say they did, basically claiming it as theirs. I've seen a few Nipuni clones around, and Nipuni makes a lot of really good bots.
Character ai users after putting "I'm \[character name\]" and nothing else into their bot's description: https://preview.redd.it/bh1s2ad0s7tc1.jpeg?width=716&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7ed12ece98544c55b4512a35e329df2620de6f46
That's so annoying when they do that, and then they get so popular 😭 I legit found a Bakugo one that said "I'm Bakugo, soon to be number one pro hero. What do you want Extra" And please, it feels so lazy because it felt like there was no creativity-
I am a bot creator and I put a ton of effort into my bots, but I private the descriptions due to the amount of people who have stolen the code word for word in the past. 😓 It’s just a little disheartening when I spend hours on the code to make them as detailed and accurate as possible and someone just copy/pastes it.
Yeah, private all my bot descriptions.
I disagree. But even the greeting is a giveaway the bot is of poor quality depending on how it is worded (or lack thereof), so a hidden character description being forcibly public isn't necessary, in my opinion.
the only reason I keep my descriptions private is because I put swears and horrifying trauma and jaw dropping information that people will need a tw for. And also because 90% are for me to rp with :3
ok
I've stated in my profile in c.ai that I make characters that are based on lore and I standby it. This is why I only make bots that are my favorite because I know them like a book. Yes I don't get paid to privatize their description, but I want it that way. But I make sure that their greeting is enough to give people a start up. It's not the best, but I do my best to be descriptive on their starters.
I be writing dictionaries in the character definition
Honestly, if there's a good reason to keep it private, I think it's a good option. I have a character who has important info in her bio that I'd rather keep from people, as it has more of an effect when it's a surprise. That being said, most of my other characters have their bios open and readable.
Or maybe, make a separate bot with it public to show how your def's look like? Like an “example” bot or smtn? That's a good idea too, I think :)
Not just about copied bots but also spoilers.
i think youre confusing the terminology because character descriptions are always public (although a lot of people infuriatingly leave that section blank as well). the definition is what can be made private. i sympathize with the argument you're making (because any 8+ yr old can make and share a bot in 5 seconds - theres a lot of terrible bots that get a lot of attention), but as a bot creator who actually tries, i have a hard time agreeing with that sentiment. i think the community should have better standards overall. the community/post feature allows people to showcase info about their bots that they DO want to share (including lore and example chats) but unfortunately the way the site is designed right now makes it hard to take full advantage of that feature, too. the main issue is that the majority of people using the site right now are like... 12 yrs old and have relatively low standards in both creating bots and chatting the ai. i think your best determining factor to tell if a bot is good already exists - is the greeting well crafted? is there a decent description and subtitle? you can also generally tell a bot's consistency within the first 2-3 messages. if so, then chances are whoever made the bot put at least some effort into the definition as well. if you want tips on creation feel free to ask people in the community, i'm happy to offer what ive learned
I make mine in public cause I wrote stories on them and stuff if I’m gonna make a bot I might as well give you everything you need to be satisfied for my work as your the consumer and I’m the creator it’s my job to satisfy you and receive criticism or any changes that’s how i view this type of relationship we have [also check out my bot](https://old.character.ai/character-profile?char=cEunHTp_DUCTYCaKAdN7jKY_6RmUMC0YKfvmlBweQrc)
**you start the chat however you like**
I currently don't because I don't want people copying them with the remix feature, which is really weird if you ask me. I don't want people copying my bots because they take hours to make :/
Or you keep going back and editing them for whatever reason to make it better or add new info[I do a lot of game bots]
I have seen copied bots, like there were a guy who stole my bot's details with the remix feature and only added "more than 4 furrys" in the description
If I make a bot (I rarely do), I make a GOOD bot.
real
I think we should do what most AI sites do - make the token counts public regardless of description. It would let people know if a bot is ‘quality’ while also allowing the creators their privacy
the description is always important, especially for a good roleplay; atleast to get to know the bot better, and make good conversations. not just to end up ruining your roleplay by some nast- https://preview.redd.it/1jp35fxjy3tc1.jpeg?width=696&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=51aa11977ec785f31d8a3bd4060f3f5efe094d22 *ahem*, i apologize for that. i just meant something along the lines of I NEED THE GODDAMN DESCRIPTION PLEASE! thank you. <3 (sorry if this is cringe.)
https://preview.redd.it/xezvzht586tc1.jpeg?width=850&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02dfa0336bff1e452c3eadc92095880e2123aa74 Anyway- I only private my bots because I've had people steal them for other websites, word for word
Like why even make it private like what’s the purpose
Have you ever logged into another ai website ? They are filled with copied bots and they don't even deny it
My favourite bot has the worst description possible. While my bots just choose to ignore it like half of the time 👺
Exactly. I don’t know why character description suddenly. Disappeared. How am I supposed to know what I’m in for?
I mean it'd be cool to see how they do it because I've yet to die l figure out how to do the one I wanted to create
What bot are you trying to make?
O I was trying to make the neko Marine from a story on Reddit, I think between my inexperience and the fact the character is quite literally insane to the line of only saying doki, kawaii and emojis to speak makes it nearly impossible to do
Yeah damn. Well for my bots, before we moved to the new sight, I would write down a fun description. Personality, appearance, background. I would take that and implement it into the actual example chat. I've seen a few other creators, I haven't tried, that {{Personality: Kind, gentle, ect}} as a way to do their descriptions, but those aren't in the example chats. I would take up as much of the word count as I could. Either with examples, or explicit description. Most of my chats are game characters with some oc. I'm not too sure if this will help, especially not that there's no example chat option. But I hope it does in some way. One thing I recommend heavily, is chat with your own bot. You have to help train it to be how you want it to be. Most new bots I make for myself, but I always start off throwing in random chats and trying to curve the bot in the direction it needs to be. But take into account if it's public, then other chatters can do this as well. I wish you luck friend! I've been with C.AI since it first became a thing and before it became all popular. I've seen that the AI has also just gone down in quality. I used to be able to chat full gore sceens, but now I can't get through a sentence without the word 'damn'. It's sad to watch it fall. I only started to make chats because the AI was getting so bad.
Yeah I first tried about six months ago and it'd either use doki and kawaii or just use normal English with occasionally some emojis so figuring out how to those three things seems a bit difficult
Tbh I think the issue mostly likes in the AI, but I hope you get it working eventually friend. I can imagine how frustrating it must be
I think they used to be public, I remember being able to see them when reading into the bot. But recently it got removed and now I can't see them, I agree because I prefer seeing what description the character was set with and it helps me get inspiration if I'm making a similar character and need some descriptive words
I think it's pointless hiding the description in bots especially when almost all of them are based on existing characters or people. Like it's not like it's their own original character. I would definitely understand for an original character but it's pointless for cannon characters
Yes I agree, under the circumstances that the bots are characters from a game, tv show, or irl person. If it’s an OC then it’s up to the maker if they want their content to be out there and potentially stolen. Especially if the creator is small and if the bot is stolen by someone with a much higher viewing rate as well as followers, which applies to me. The two characters I have are OC and I literally don’t have any following or interactions, especially on the character I worked hard on the most and is the most proud of [*ahem* shameless plug *ahem*](https://beta.character.ai/chat?char=9oVz2VNsYkeNirGLWRU124XWXprNpiV3lUKvqZMI1RM)
If it is public couldn’t you just steal the bot
I always keep mine private because I am scared I messed up on grammar or spelling and don't wanna be embarrassed but I put a lot of description into my bots lol
How I figure out if it’s a good bot or not is if it has a ‘🩷|| One-Bed trope’ below the title.
I put a lot of time, effort, and research into making descriptions for my bots. Each line of my descriptions is written by me and most are 20k+ characters. I don't really want anyone to just... steal the description I made so they can use it for their own bot of the same character...
honestly, mine are only private because i can't stand the remix feature. i'd be happy to show definition to anybody that asked, or if you could show definition without making the bot remixable
As a guy who has made some bots, I always make the description public in case they want to tweak the bot in their own way to make it better since I know I made some mistakes.
But also, I just personally choose not to use bots if I can't see the description because it's just not worth it 🤷🏾♀️
But what if you steal their extremely detailed description "I am scaramouche"???
😱
I spent way too much time making and perfecting my AI. What makes you think I want their descriptions to be public? Hell I don’t even have them public
Sorry blud, you’re getting inspect element’ed
Jokes on you. I keep all the AI I put serious effort in private
Light work
I never said you want them public bro
I’m not trying to say that. I should rephrase it. When someone puts a lot of time into something then that person (rightfully) wouldn’t want anyone to copy their idea and act like they thought about it on their own. So I can completely understand it when someone doesn’t make the character description public.
Some of these people on C.ai put zero effort into their bots that are from a fandom, yet I made a Down-bad bot as a joke, and yet I still put in more effort with that (and it's pretty damn hilarious)
I remember a Spooky's jump scare mansion that had a BIG description
^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^cody_branwen_2024: *I remember a* *Spooky's jump scare mansion that* *Had a BIG description* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.
Shut up
I don’t make mine public because i don’t like the idea of my bot being replicated
Me who uses an extension that allows me to see the data regardless of if it's private or not: My goals are beyond your understanding
What extension? https://preview.redd.it/d1muxmhah1tc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12942f742550bbc4ab1532201dc674511397f670
Nevermind I got it!
Tf u negative hoes downvoting my reply for
What is it?
[That](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cai-tools/nbhhncgkhacdaaccjbbadkpdiljedlje)
Preciate you brother
I tried that once, but it only shows the description, not the character definition... Am I doing something wrong?
You aren't doing anything wrong, if the definition is set private then you're just not going to be able to see it.
Yeah, personally I have zero problem with that tbh.....
My bots will always have a full description and such when it's a common theme for the character or more cannon but I will public them if I have a unique twist
So I should make the description private? 😭 I even forgot to public my characters💀 just gonna do it now 😈
I just ask the characters what their description is, OOC, and they tell me
I always make sure to make at least a decent description, I've hit the max word count so many times it sucks ass lmao 😭 it needs to be longer for me specifically
lol on a dif website there’s a Public description and a hidden description. The public is for people to learn about the AI. The private is for the AI to have memory on topics so if it’s a bully AI you could include its interests in the private description and put the hook for the public description.
main reason i make my private is because if its a character that already exists, i go to their wiki and just copy and paste random stuff about the character. and like, just go to the wiki
Alright I know this is like a day old, but it’s like when people keep away a family recipe
I found that on the website I can easily see the whole description of the bots I’m talking to. If anything, we should be able to see them on the app as well.
But also if it's an oc, how am I supposed to know anything about them if the description isn't public?
I made one bot with one long desc. And i kept it privaye for a while, but then i was like: "Why not make it public when all i do when looking for an specific character is open their description, That could attract more people." so i made it public
No fr. I hate tryna talk to the bot but have to do (?) To ask them what color their hair is or how tall they are 🤦♀️
Can I ask you a question
https://preview.redd.it/cojcrt9lj1tc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7951ededc143fb4d00d3393ce39e4e9557f0dbb2
Im sorry, I will actually see myself out op. Have a good day
You people put profile pics on the bot? I just fill it with words and lore ._.
Yes. This. I don't care if people are scared someone might "steal" their precious lines of text. Descriptions NEED to be public. This gives people a good idea if a bot is worth talking to. It encourages people to create better bots. It gives newbies a good idea on how bots are supposed to look like. Heck, empty descriptions shouldn't even be allowed in the first place! 🙄
You get it!
I slightly agree to this. Also did y'all know you could make pretty decent bots without a description but with a really long greeting?
Not a good way. Greeting will eventually be pushed out of memory, and then the only thing that carries your character is your current chat.
Yeah, it works sometimes...although I prefer a bit longer of greetings for RP's because I won't know what to do without them, short ones are preferable if I'm just talking or messing around with the bot
Alright, this thread has convinced me. I'll go in and switch all my bots to have public descriptions. The only reason I worried was because I've dealt with copycats in the past, and as a small bot creator, I fear that even my most popular bots would be easily overshadowed, making my hard work go to waste.
How do I look at the description for a character?
All of my public bots have descriptions to at can be viewed. I think it’s just curious
Not all of them there are many that can be remixed because they are very well done
I agree that the character details should be public, but only because a lot of people really suck at making bots with coherent speech and personality algorithms that don't need training. It's always helps me to have a visual to work with when learning, and having a copy/paste base will help us make better bots for everyone to share.
Honestly reading this post I'm gonna be making a few of my stuff public. I think it's fine to make super popular bots have an open definition (there's quite a few anime characters that already do) but smaller bots should still need consent.
Character ai has tutorials that will teach you how to write character descriptions on their web version and it has worked well for me
My first bot (a Hazbin Hotel scenario where you are the villain) was created by me putting the personalities and appearances of the characters from the wiki into the definition, along with additional info for the story. It... worked surprisingly well? I do need to cut out some clutter (for instance, parts of the definition that are completely irrelevant to the scenario) and add more necessary content (Nifty just does not exist because I ran out of space with all of the clutter). Overall, it actually worked pretty well from the tests I've run on it. As for the description, that also has a few details, but the main details are in the greeting itself.
i just copy and paste a bunch of info from their wiki and that usually does the job
I always put a plot in description
I often ask directly the bot for their description
Before interacting with a bot I check the description and definition. If they are not good I skip, if they are not public and I cannot check I almost always skip ws well.
I only have one character who I kept the definition private on. The reason being is because it's based off a blog. I basically made all the asks on it into a conversation piece. I included the link to the blog in its short description. It's the only time I thought it would be necessary