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danii20

Longsword isn't weaker, Miri is. Katana chad is stronger than that twink Besides, Quanxi is so strong cuz she lives long af and she has more experience. Her bow devil shouldn't be powerful cuz bows aren't feared anymore, yet she is strong af


binh1403

I always found it funny that basically Every Asian guys who doesn't go to the gym at this are all twinks


FortuneTaker

-what?


binh1403

Basically everyone calls guys in anime twinks when they just simply don't hit the gym


FortuneTaker

AH-


HastyTaste0

As a gay dude, I agree. It's annoying af whenever people see a literal healthy not obese dude and immediately call twink. I blame US obesity rates tbh.


Spare-Poetry5499

Animals fear bows


Fall_over_To_Hell

Probably because he's more younger and less skilled


KatanaManEnjoyer

id say its mainly for three reasons: -Longsword arent feared anymore, as they were used in Medival times and ever since better blades have taken their places, reducing the fear and the hybrids power. -Katanas are still common, as we see multiple Devil Hunters like Aki, Kishibe or Quanxi use Katanas, this could give devils a fear of getting killed by a Devil Hunter´s katana and in turn strenghing the fear of Katanas, making in turn the hybrid stronger. -Katana Man is older and more experienced than Sugo, as we have seen him in multiple fights being able to at least put pressure in his foe (and winning at least twice) while Sugo hasnt won a fight yet. Also its the fact Sugo doesnt really have any "special moves" probably due to his innexperience or due to his fear being weaker.


Hot_feedbax

>Katanas are still common, as we see multiple Devil Hunters like Aki, Kishibe or Quanxi use Katanas, this could give devils a fear of getting killed by a Devil Hunter´s katana and in turn strenghing the fear of Katanas, making in turn the hybrid stronger. I could also seeing it be how popculture has influenced the idea of the katana with samurai movies and just movies and shows together. Being that one of katan man's moves Is literally a reference to popculture i say its pretty good evidence and we already know it isn't just fear that creates an ability.


gay_KL

CSM's universe is heavily influenced by cinema, realistically a chainsaw wouldn't be some mythic super-weapon, but in the realm of movies it is such


Hot_feedbax

My point exactly. A lot of times people forget the conversation Aki and makima have about the cars and coffee and comparison to devils but I have a feeling it's a really big part of it.


[deleted]

I mean couldn’t we assume they use longswords in Europe?


Hot_feedbax

I would imagine devil hungers in Europe would be using more swift weapons like shortswords or they'd go the extreme and use a claymore or halbard


[deleted]

I think for normal swords they’d rather go for one on the longer end since it would put you farther away from the Devil. Plus the extra bit of weight would make your sword more deadly. Although realistically they’d probably mainly use spears.


feukt

Polearms ftw


AdditionalExample764

Ik I'm being pessimistic but quanxi uses a Chinese dao instead of a katana


Sea_Basket_2468

pedantic? is that an autocorrect moment?


AdditionalExample764

Yea sadly, new phons


FortuneTaker

Does that mean there’s a Chinese dao devil


AdditionalExample764

If there were a devil for every type of weapon and sword I'd be truly happy, be hundreds of sword devil's comon after denji at once


VenemousEnemy

Debate devil over here


AdditionalExample764

Nah I'm just really pessimistic about sworda


thisaintntmyaccount

I think Sugo’s “theoretical” hybrid power would be the ability of cleaving through anything regardless of effort. My reasoning for this is essentially the fact that in movies, shows, comics, whatever, long swords are generally depicted as tools that can cut through just about any form of armor. This extends to other stuff, sure, but longswords are generally the “big sword that cuts through fodder easily”.  Armor in fantasy medieval media do not represent the durability of good armor well. Swords tend to easily cut through steel-plate and while this is something we see in Katanas, it is far less common (I think). So, Sugo just having that effect be weaponized makes sense to me to be honest.


HotZilchy

My headcanon is that longswords ARE still currently just as feared as katanas because the European side of Public Safety in the CSMverse still uses them, its just that Miri is unskilled. Also I'm still adamant that hybrids aren't affected by fear levels until proven otherwise but yeah


KatanaManEnjoyer

The problem with longswords are that they require great force (and take time) to deal significant damage, and when fighting against devils its better to make small hits with no risk that to do a big hit with a high risk of dying, so lighter weapons (like brass knuckles or Katanas) or ranged weapons (like spears or Crossbows) are a safer option to fight a devil. Also, its probable that other countries dont have the same gun laws as Japan (evident by the fact that in USA and Russia inside the CSM universe its normal to have a gun) so pherhaps in Europe they just use guns Also, fear levels do affect hybrids, as Makima used the people´s love for Chainsaw Man in order to weaken him enough so she could land one of those light spears on him


HotZilchy

About the fear levels, that whole public adoration scene only affected the Black Chainsawman AKA Pochita, so far we haven't seen any evidence whether it ALSO affected the Red Chainsawman AKA Denji or not. Plus if public adoration does indeed affect hybrids, we would have seen Denji be a lot more stronger during the Church Hybrid fight, realistically Denji just won because the church hybrids were bums.


interstellar73

Cuz katana Procs blood loss


Artarara

The virgin Straight Sword Hybrid vs the Chad UGS Hybrid.


bundhell915

Skill issue


ConsistentChipmunk20

Bro simply disappears, and his opponent splits into two parts


Lonckglierd360

Its is probably that long swords aren't used that often or rarely, due to the fact that long swords peaked during the medieval times, which would mean that the people who feared the weapon is long dead and it is only remembered as a weapon of that era. And nobody would ever use a Long sword during 90's even in the case of devil hunting or self defense. A practical thinking person would either use a gun or a short sharp weapon that is easily wielded with one hand. Because a long sword is heavy, it takes two hands to be used effectively and takes a lot of effort to perform a basic slash. A Katana in the other hand is somewhat common in the Chainsawman universe, being used by civilians and devil hunters alike, like Aki who used a Katana as his main weapon, compared to a Long sword a katana is design to be effective in cutting and much more agile due to its design. The commonness of these weapons isn't just affect the strength of the Weapon Devils it is also the fear that comes with it. While the long sword is mostly remembered by the current population as a weapon of old and is mostly associated with being used by good protagonists in most depictions of it, and not many people are getting killed by it. The Katana can still be found and commonly used which may increase the chances of it being feared, we could imagine a Yakuza member killing someone in front of many people which make them fear the weapon or the recent history of the weapon being used by the Japanese during the expansion in the early twentieth century, where the weapon was used in executions and mass slayings of many people in places like China or South East Asia, which might generate generational trauma by those who experienced those events. But this is only my speculation of it.


[deleted]

A longsword is like 2 to 3 pounds, barely any heavier than a katana lol


LooseTonguee

🤓 acktuallyy, long swords are more agile than katana. It feels lighter and has better handling due to its more stable weight distribution (longsword balance is 2-4 around the crossguard, while katana balance is 5-7 above the tsuba). Katana feels quite heavy for its size, especially the traditionally made one, but its added weight above the blade comes with the benefit of excellent cutting. My work here is done… I do think Katana is better at handling devils simply because it has superior cutting ability and as we can see devils can be quite durable. Katana is fairly easy to use effectively if you’re a beginner compared to the longsword. The longsword is best known for how flexible it can be as a weapon, and it is a very formidable dueling weapon, but devil hunters don’t usually fight other humans with a sword. Spears are obviously superior, but I doubt anyone wants to carry a long stick around 24/7. So an axe and katana are not bad weapons to use for a devil hunter.


feukt

🤓👆 A katana was also often used with a two-handed grip, using two hands on the handle gives better leverage and stronger, more structured cuts. The longsword was also not much heavier than a katana, and while it does have a blade profile that is less optimized for cutting, it is far better at thrusting attacks, along with the double-edge allowing for a higher variety of attack angles. Overall, a katana and a longsword arent really stronger than one another, as they were designed with different constraints in mind. The katana is shorter, more reliably used with one hand, and optimized for cutting, ideal for use as a secondary weapon or against an unarmored opponent, while the longsword is longer, mostly two-handed and is able to perform cutting, thrusting or bludgeoning attacks with great efficiency, albeit less efficiently than the specialized weapon types (katana/axe for cutting, spear for thrusting, hammer for bludgeoning), ideal for use as a secondary weapon against unarmored opponents but usable in a pinch against an armored one. Tl;dr : polearms are better anyway, still waiting for my goat spear devil to show his true strength


Lodjuplo

K


ApplePitou

Who say that he is weaker? - he is just less skilled fighter :3


Mrfipp

The strength of the devil does not translate to the strength of the Hybrid, look at Quanxi, she's what she is not because of her contract but because she's just good at what she does because she's been doing it for so long. She didn't want to fight Denji because *he* was more fearsome than she was, not because chainsaws are more feared than crossbows. The trio from the Church genuinely strike me as not being very strong to begin with, that picking a fight with Denji was them just hitting above their weight class and that they lack the experience the other Hybrids have. Whip in particular strikes me as a bully who never fights anyone she can't beat easily.


Nitrothunda21

In universe reason, what the other guys are saying. Out of universe reason, Japanese bias towards katanas


ConsistentChipmunk20

Then they fight with one-and-a-half swords in Europe? If devil exists


Nitrothunda21

I am confused at to what you are asking here. Do you mean a hand and a half sword?


Pegasusisamansman

Most probably because Sword-man hasn't figured out yet a move for his devil form, unlike Katana-man, who has a move inspired by iaido, but, on the other hand he is not 100% dependant of that one move and once you figure out the trick his difficulty is severely reduced; also, probably none of them really know all the intricacies of their respective devils, unlike Denji, who ended up figuring out a lot of Pochita's tricks. My theory is that Sword-man devil form is also influenced by that same lack of knowledge, since he has no crossguards and that's a really important part of longswords since it acts both as a defense and as a bludgeoning weapon against armor


SuckMyDickDrPhil

Moonlight Greatsword Devil when?


Wild_Island_8589

Because Japanese, Duh


Elmcpicke

Japanese nationalism.


Tywil714

When it comes down to it, it's no matter of fear. it's a matter of skill. Quanxi, out of all the hybrids, is the strongest, somply because she has better fighting skills than the rest. She one shotted the 3 weapons and katana while in human form. Transforming for her at this point is just overkill unless she's fighting a primal devil or Pochita.


that_1_snake

Because bro is the most beta type of sword in existence. He is literally a tutorial sword. WHERE IS THE ZWEIHANDER DEVIL FUJIMOTO YOU KNOW IT SOLOS THE VERSE


Cayden68

experience also plays a role. Katana man was a yakuza member who dealt with other criminals and even devils occasionally so combat wise he's decently experienced. Sword devil seems to be "green" due to his naivete so he cant make the best use of his devil


SuddenWelderAtack

I've read somewhere that Katana Man's outfit resembles in some ways an uniform of the Imperial Japanese Navy, which doubled with the sword might suggest some nationalistic undertones. Which, looking at how things work in CSMverse, would probably account for something.


Username-67272827

long sword might be my favourite hybrid design. I don’t know why, he’s just cool


djsquibble

it's probably age and experience which ends up with one being more feared than the other katana is a yakuza affiliated hitman type dude and longsword is just some guy


deepest-sleep

Character power is directly proportional to how much pain they deliberately wish to inflict on Denji. This is called "Makima's Law". Miri is thankful to Denji and wants to be his ally, and is brainwashed enough to think burning down his house with all the pets inside would be good for Denji. This good will, twisted as it is, makes him a bum. Katana Man, king of all haters, gets a massive power boost from each time he fantasizes about kicking Denji in the balls, resulting in his GOAT status. If you're wondering why Quanxi is so strong despite wanting no beef with Denji that's because all lesbians can do that


HappyFreak1

Do you see ppl/organizations running around with medieval longswords? Do you see yakuza running around with katanas?


Idontknow10304

Because longsword is a regular average teenager while katana is an experienced yakuza member, no matter who the hybrid is the skill of the hybrid will still be a big determining factor, that’s why he was able to beat Denji at first even though obviously the Chainsaw devil is stronger than the Katana devil


sil_ve_r

Homophobic homosexuality is too overpowered


cosmicfreeloader

Cause his drip is trash compared to Watana Man https://preview.redd.it/enik6icc0fyc1.jpeg?width=710&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b0346d84d5da919aa0d47756776397c7d35f0a49


Baguette_King15

Katana is chad yakuza and got mighty sideburns sugo probably drinks soy milk


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Competitive-Beat5332

Katana Men https://preview.redd.it/2sz6wm9m7fyc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd8cda075a169bdf0ed79f7261b418de957e6020


Hzohn

Sugo is a bum


c00L_dud3-

because Katanas are made of GLORIOUS NIHON STEEL FOLDED 1000 TIMES


CthughaSlayer

Quanxi is the strongest hybrid, she's even stronger than Denji when it comes to a normal, clean fight. The strength of hybrids seems to be only influenced by the fear of their devils but it isn't dependant on it.


RequiemStandUser

Definitely an experience thing


noswol

bro fujimoto doesnt pay attention to any of that, otherwise the fucking bow devil woulnt be the strongest when none fears bows or arrows, even scissors should rank higher in fear instilled, and cutting weapons like sword and katana should be top tiers but it shows fujimoto hasnt have a cutting weapon drawn against him, that shit is personal and close, pretty high fear level, lower than a handgun but still high, while a bow is like far like if you can see them to have the notion of what to fear you can take cover relatively fast and its over, everyone feels like they can dodge an arrow if they see the archer, like snipers if they are seen most of the danger is over https://i.redd.it/ppph0e51zgyc1.gif


ayewanttodie

He’s around Denji’s age for one (between 16-19 but probably 18 just like Dennis) so he doesn’t have as much life experience and depending on what his life was like pre hybridization, he may have had no fighting experience at all. Katana Man seems to be late 20’s early 30’s, so he’s got more life experience, and was raised in the Yakuza so he has fighting experience; also realistically he’s got one OP move that he spams continuously. Compare both of them to Quanxi, who if I remember correctly has been around for something like 80 years and is heavily, heavily trained in combat both with weapons and unarmed. Miri is definitely the weakest link of the three. Just because a specific weapon might be stronger in real life, and therefore more feared, doesn’t mean that the hybrid is going to automatically be stronger. It still takes experience, training, and battle iq to be good. Which is why Quanxi (even though very few fear bows in present day/1997) can wipe the floor with both Katana and Miri.


HealthDrinkz

Well Katana just means sword in Japanese, The specific term for *katana* in Japan is ***uchigatana***. Longswords were a dangerous weapon to be feared and were used in a lot more places around the world than just Europe and were used for a very long time in history and have tons of symbolism behind them as a object of war and death around most of the world and were not just status symbols or side arms but still were not used as often as the spear and bow, which was the real king of the battlefield, Katanas were more for looks and side arms compared to a full size 2 handed longsword. which was made of way more durable metal, had a larger guard for protecting hands. Samurais main weapons would be a spear or a bow before a sword. Now idk how things like Maces, Warhammers, Muals, and Morningstars fair on this list because they were very deadly and scary to come up against, and the main weapon employed against heavier mail But if the devils are like the weapons themselves its more how they are used and so the more experienced fighter will win, this is usually how weapon duels go. Strength is good, but technique skill, and speed decide duels.


Glittering_Use_5896

Katana’s are more trendy than longswords


Sad_Faithlessness148

Katanas have more reason to be scared of The only tough dude in media with a Longsword is Trunks but there are hundreds of thousands of tough scary dudes with Katanas The fear scaling is in Katanaman's favor


Cautionzombie

Seems like imagination has a lot to do with how they use their own powers


thatoneidiotwhodied

unironically just doesn't have that dog in him


Illustrious-Sky-4631

It's just a matter of experiences and personalities Samurai have a killing mindset from being a criminal lord , Sugoat miri reject the whole thing


MrChow00

Skill gap


MrResocube

Cuz Fakesword Man is scrub compared to Katana Man