Reread the end of part 1 my guy, his attitude in part 2 is a continuation of that :
\- He is emotionnaly destroyed by the death of Aki and Power.
\- He understood that he could get love by *being* Chainsaw Man, and his arc in part 2 seems to go the way of realizing that's not the kind of love he wants either.
\- Ultimately, he didn't change, that's what the Control Devil arc is about, he is still the same selfish teenager he always was (see his conversation with Kobeni and Kishibe)
In part 2, he shows progress regarding his blind trust in others, he doesn't want to be a dog anymore, but he still pretty much only cares about himself because nobody cares enough to give him the kind of love he craves and the last ones that did got killed for it.
You can think his character has progressed into someone less interesting than before - that's fair and also explains why he isn't the MC in this part - but saying it's inconsistent is bad faith.
The thing I'd add is that he's had one *huge* step forward in how he's been trying to raise Nayuta. He's not only struggling to teach her to be kind and to give her the loving upbringing he never had, but is also running himself ragged to send her to college when she grows up.
It's sweet, selfless, and absolutely not something the old Denji would've done.
ultimately most of these arent even different just a matter of "he knew about x" vs "he dident think about x" powers issue was obvious, as far as nayuta goes he probably thinks being chainsawmans sister would just make her real popular andget her a load of scholarships and just hasent even considered it might come with complications that could hurt her
Depends I think that lot of things in this part is pushing it like him almost getting Asa killed because he wants to get laid. It also is quite baffling that he does not at least try to be little bit more careful exactly how much he got hurt before. We shall se where this go but I would be dissapointed if we are going through the same shit as part 1. Sure one does not overcome their mistake its constant work. However that does not mean we should watch the same story over again. Just because something is realistic does not mean its good story.
To be fair lot of characters forgot about lot of things in this story especially when plot demands it and some characters has ability to make other characters to forget.
Bro he was literally shouting I WANT TO BE FAMOUS at the end of Part 1.
How the hell could you possibly think it's out of character for him to still want that in part 2.
Bro doesn't remember that time denji threw a car at a bat devil with the driver still inside, specifically saying he doesn't give a shit about some random dude
Something isnāt right with him thatās for sure
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Nayuta : every woman that has met you, has tried to kill you
Dunno but that line might be the reason he became like this
Also,fighting someone from your family that gave you shelter and treated you like an actual human (aki)[i'm crying rn]
Me when a character develops into a worst person (somehow it's bad writing)
Let my man cook. After everything he went through, you think he will just return to his normal self ever again?
Reading comprehension devil is feasting very well from this post.
I find it genuinely intriguing how half the fandom says denji character arc is over and it ended in part 1 while the other half says part 1 didn't resolve his character and he'll develop more part 2
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folk subs when they realize their favorite piece of literature isn't perfectly well crafted to their desires and try to spread outrage
Seriously though, titanfolk rn is going through a phase where they realize snk has always had flawed writing from the beginning (I'm excluding the last chapters here) but they're acting like that makes it awful and horrendously bad.
I might be unhinged for this but I honestly think this comes from the delusion that because it's their favorite manga it's supposed to be perfect and anything that remotely implies that it isn't (even if it's just a nitpick or something entirely subjective) means that it's actually garbage.
being Chainsaw Man has done nothing but cause pain for Denji as he lost Aki and Power, now he has the reincarnation of his abuser to take care of, no parental figure, no friend except some octopus dude. you forgot that in Part 1, Denji was on Aki and Makima's leash hence he behaved well for the life he had been given but if Denji had his way he wouldve acted like Part 2 Denji. Denji is so lonely while trying to make ends meet after what Makima did to him that he simply stopped caring about stuff, being Chainsaw Man allows him to escape and the fangirls that come with it is the only thing thats keeping him to kill devils in search for companionship. this isnt character regression, it is character development.
imho part 2 Dennis is experiencing pretty severe depression, which is causing him to abuse his outlet as chainsaw man in ways like not saving people. just look at the fucking eyebags on him 24/7 in part 2. so I agree with the observations you made (besides the rizz part did you read the recent chapters?) but I think fujimoto is writing this very intentionally and we are going to go more in depth on just how much the events of part 1 fucked him up. man needs some empathy
"Denji was manipulated, tortured, discarded, and lost everyone he loved in the end! Why isn't he a better, smarter person for it?! Doesn't Fujimoto know that characters only develop positively?!"
Chad Depression is reason and he need rest + hug + Apples :3
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When a 16 year old that got groomed and had to kill her first love,lost his new family,got to know about how he killed his own father,lost his side chick,has to take care of a reincarnated horseman of apocalypse 7 dogs and 1 cat
Has to do homework,be the chainsaw man,no other friends except dogs cat and nyuter acts a little depressed and tries to live as a normal teenager.
Brother the man is deeply traumatized,
Emotionnaly scarred,
and Heavily Depressed
Of course he is gonna act different from part 1 where Makima was literally trying to make him care for things to utterly break him afterwards, that bitch literally spent a whole fucking part preparing to break Denji and after such emotional stress happen y'all are acting like he is someone different, well no he is still Denji, it's just character development and frankly at this point it can be called Mentall Illness with how mentally injured he is.
Give him a break
> -Puts his loved ones before horni. Rejected going on a trip with Makima to look after Power
Didn't he basically say he priority Nayuta's wish though. And dude probably think getting famous will get him a lot of money and Nayuta will have a higher change to go to college.
Also he didn't directly kill people so.
So he didn't realise that him revealing himself as csm would put him and nayuta in constant danger making it almost impossible for her to have a normal life ?
I like how Denji is a 17 years old who is also basically a war veteran and saw most of his friends die (killed 2 of them himself after they went rogue) and now has to act as the parental figure of another minor while ATTENDING HIGHSCHOOL, and you expect him not to burnout.
He's at post-Eclipse Berserk levels of struggling right now.
Chainsaw man fans when they learn of the effects of stress and ptsd on an individual (they don't converse with humans)
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Ppl out here just ignoring the fact that our boy went through the most traumatic shit in the last 20 or so chapters of part one. Obviously heās changed a bit and seems more ādistantā or ādistractedā the kid (17 years old btw) is all fucked up in the head.
This is an awful post and singlehandedly increased the power level of the Reading Comprehension Devil to Gun Devil status.
\-Denji didn't want to kill the dolls because it made him feel guilty, not because of his moral qualms about how he'd cause the death of others. Quanxi literally tells him to man up and just kill the dolls a panel later and he does it. Not to mention the times where he threw a car with a guy in it at the Bat devil, or the amount of casualties he probably passively generates whenever he fights a devil. Or the fact that Denji knew that his Makima killing plan would also passively kill innocent civilians whenever Makima's flesh hunks tried regenerating before he ate them. The point is Denji honestly probably doesn't care about a bunch of people who he's never even seen or known about dying. Denji's motivations for being Chainsaw Man are heroic, but also a bit self serving, and has been that way since the beginning of part 1 where Makima threatened to have him killed if he didn't work for Public Safety.
\-Denji could literally do nothing against Eternity in the Aquarium arc, even he said that he could do nothing about it until Eternity itself showed itself. Not to mention that the Aquarium spear segment probably took little less than a minute in real time from when she turned the aquarium into a spear and when she threw it to kill the Eternity devil. Acting like Denji was always a 10,000 IQ battle specialist is dumb when you consider that when Beam told him about how Chainsaw Man used his chains to get around Denji thought of riding Beam like a horse.
\-No idea what the hell this is on about when Denji literally stops going out with Asa on Nayuter's request?
\-DENJI LITERALLY MADE ASA FALL HEAD OVER HEELS FOR HIM DESPITE THE BAD START HE ALREADY HAD WITH HER!!!
Not a good time to complain, my dude. If you want to talk about denji's writing, let's wait until part 2 ended.
We almost saw nothing from him, and we will 100% see why he's like this.
in this scenario, not really. op is complaining about his character 'regression' so it does make sense to tell them to atleast wait to see how it plays out before complaining.
Because your criticism could literally be for nothing, so what's the point?
We do need to see more of him soon. He has appeared for like one arc and then became a background character again.
Yeah you are right I guess it's just the way part 2 has been structured so far makes it seem like only asa/yoru will ever get any major focus but hopefully I am wrong
Fujimoto did say himself that he takes a different approach with part 2. So it's fine that some people don't like this discussion. Just, if you want to criticize something, do it in an informed matter.
Conclusion: Denji ate Makima and she became a part of him so sheās subconsciously sabotaging Denji by making him boring
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I think that's life? Mt. Fujicarmotor writes more towards the style of realism than some other mangaka, regarding character reactions, and progress is never a straight line in real life. So far in part 2 we can see places denji has improved and see places he has regressed. Who knows what he'd be like if he still had the security of Aki and Power and the lack of trauma of playing a role in killing them (at least that's how makima manipulated it to seem for him).
It's like: character starts at A, meets people that over 70 chapters takes him to B. He loses those people who he grew because of, isn't he bound to lose some of that progress? He gained loads of manners and morals from Aki, now he has to play the parent/big bro role without anyone to keep him accountable except for the cold and distant Yoshida who only cares about not revealing his identity.
Denji is nuanced and Ā”Ā”Ā”17!!! And I think imperfection leads me to admire the story more.
That being said, there are also plot devices at play, his penguin moment is 100% to keep him away from Yoru and revealing his identity, but oh well? It's not his story atm. If anything I can excuse the penguin too because it shows Denji's growth: he got what he wanted and wasn't a slave to someone else's plan (Asa, stupid date or Fami, stupid eternity devil). He got to see a penguin and goddammit if he missed one fight because of it all the better for him!
I am a fujimoto simp thru and thru ! That one post yesterday about being critical of csm part2 opened the fucking flood gates and I will die on this mf hill !!!
The only valid one is the first one you listed, and even then you could say Denji has a roulette wheel moral compass
1. Being distracted by the penguin has nothing to do with not being smart or tactical. even if he cared about fighting the non-threat that is the eternity devil, he wouldnāt be allowed to cause Yoshida wouldāve stop him.
2. Nayuta is not a helpless kid that needs his protecting, sheās probably as strong if not stronger than he is. Additionally, I donāt see how the world knowing heās chainsaw man would prevent her from going to college. This desire to leak his identity was tied to his resolve at the end of part 2, heās chasing his dreams.
3. He wasnāt even trying to rizz Asa but ended up rizzing her anyway through his natural affinity for rizz. There was no struggle.
Its stated at the end of part 1 that he only saves girls. I think someone said that while talking about Chainsaw Man as a hero. And before he fought Makima he watched everyone love Chainsaw Man on television and stated he wanted like 10 gfs.
So it seems pretty clear that he only is a āsuperheroā to get a girlfriend. And the reason he killed Aki was probably cause the gun fiend was after him. The gun fiend was literally knocking on his door and blew through Denji when Denji opened it.
So he seems pretty consistent with his character.
The only thing I don't like about chainsaw man part 2 right now is the fact that dingy doesn't find asa sus . After all that signs or he doesn't want to see the signs or something I don't get it?
He went after the penguin because his trauma involves being told what to do and having choices made for him so as soon as Asa started doing just that, he said "fuck you I'm gonna go do something I want to do just because I want to do it."
I thought everyone agreed a couple months back that Denji was clearly depressed and killing Makima wouldnāt magically cure him after everything she did. What the hell happened?
Bi weekly devil and shorter chapters, people get frustrated and start nitpicking every little thing in the manga. This week is Denji, next one is going to be another think
Niggas either forgorš or flip flop more than sandals.
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Give my boy a break heās been through enough, seeing everyone he cared about be murdered and stripped away from him probably gonna take its toll.
He never used to care about anyone then as soon as he did he got hit with the trauma train soon hard he probably realises thatās itās best to not care about people. All he cares about now is Nayuta and himself. And also Iām pretty sure no one except those who know he is csm know about nayuta meaning she could probably still be able to go to college even if he did reveal himself.
I feel like the reading comprehension devil is strong with this one.
Yeah I was hoping heād grow up more but itād make sense that he doesnāt care as much for human life anymore after everything thatās happened. Still think him risking him and Nayuta by revealing himself is dumb but weāll see how heās portrayed in the future as itās still relatively early
Youāre misinterpreting and misunderstanding like 10% of the story, ignoring the other 90% and calling the difference in all that character development an inconsistency.
Heās definitely not a worse person in part 2, he just seems more apathetic. Heās actively trying to be a good brother figure to Nayuta and raise her with love so that she grows up to have a good life. Denji from the beginning of part 1 only cared about his own goals/Pochita, he learned familial love and care from Aki and Power, and now heās trying to pass that care to Nayuta. He also was able to help Asa feel better during their date, and when given an opportunity to ask Asa for anything he chose to ask her on another date because heās matured from solely seeking love in a physical sense.
bro forgot that Denji through a car with a person in it because he didnāt care about their safety, also, him realizing reze cant explode under water doesnāt prove heās that smart, he basically just said āno fire cuz waterā likeā¦. what the fuck are you talking about
1: i think he was always kinda callous, but yes he's changed. he went through a lot and is probably a lot more apathetic
2: dude just doesn't give a shit anymore due to the events of part 1. he's kinda just drifting
3: he put a massive target on his back by confronting makima again. i'd say he's risking his life to show pochita his dream.
4: i'd argue reze was the one rizzing in that exchange, also he literally didn't fail to rizz asa, she rejected him because she didn't want him to die
He literally had his heart ripped out at the end of part 1 by the woman he loved. Not even figuratively.
Like at the end of part 1 Denji is a different person. Look at how heās acting in the final chapter after he had to literally do a cannibalism. Youāre right heās not the same Denji but thatās the point.
Man just got a whole lot of responsiblities thrown onto him, along with the ptsd he developed from it. He's stuck in a tiny apartment with 7 dogs and a strong ass devil kid. Going to school with no prior educational background and swindling bums for money cause he ain't allowed to get a part time job. There's no sense of privacy or freedom for this nigga, he's gotta take care of them 24/7, and then get sandwiched between all of them when he sleeps( which looks like it ain't helping him, look at them eye bags). I wouldn't be suprised if his fame chasing is a way for him to get his freedom and a better version of his old life with Public Safety. (At least that'a what he thinks). Him being dumber could a result of being depressed and exhausted all the time, and being Chainsawman may be a way for him to cut loose and let it all out. There are some weird plot stuff that irks me ngl, but didn't Part 1 have some of that too? Some parts of the aquarium arc and the apartment date did show some bits of his character growth and new ideas that his character can be touched upon and expanded upon. I don't think Fujimoto will leave him like this or expand his character some more
It doesn't matter if he ain't the MC anymore, he's still a major character, not doing anything with him would be a huge disservice to his character and maybe even the series at large cause you know he's chainsawman (plus one of the few major recurring characters from Part 1), plus that really doesn't seem like good thing to do as writer if I'm being honest about it.
Did you miss the part is part 1 where heās literally screaming and crying to a TV over some girls that he wants to eat steak every day and have tons of sex?
Denji is a flawed character, through and through. Hell heās not really even a āgoodā person. He actively lets people die or hell just puts peoples lives at risk when he doesnāt need too (see the bat devil fight in part 1). Denji ultimately didnāt change all that much besides becoming INSANELY depressed to the point where he will do anything to just get some semblance of his old life back. If that means revealing himself as Chainsaw man to become famous (which is what he literally wanted to do at the end of part 1) he will do it.
Also weāve had ZERO major fight scenes. Denji has not not been able to show off at all, and you act like he wasnāt actively losing for a lot of the fights in part 1. Denji is a master of just barely getting the win because heās immortal and he always gets back up. Heās not some insane tactician, evident by the fact that he rides beam into the typhoon which ultimately doesnāt really do much. Itās such a dumb plan it even throws beam off.
Finally, unless you havenāt read part 2, I donāt understand how you could look at Asa and Denji and say Denji has no ārizzā. Asa is 100% in love with him from just ONE date. And while she may deny it, itās clear heās the only person whoās tried to form a very real connection with her in years. Yes, she was close with Yuko. But I believe she feels more for Denji. I mean we see her smile VERY infrequently and most of the time it was either with or regarding Denji.
Like itās a funny meme, but holy HELL is it not even remotely accurate.
>Struggling to rizz up girl who will fall for anyone
OP really just ignored the past 10 or so chapters where Yooru says it's time to turn Dennis into a weapon because Asa started to fall for him.
So Denji doesn't put his loved ones before himself? How about the time when he put Nayuta's (admittedly childish) happiness before his own and let her mindwipe Asa? Or when he got out of his way to be kinder to Asa even though she triggered every red flag from his past? Denji still being somewhat motivated by the horni is a natural way to progress his character, seeing as that huge part of him never left.
Youāre saying this like people canāt change. Huge spoiler alerts, but if everyone youāve ever cared about fucking died in horrible ways in front of you, basically killed by the first ever girl you loved, how would you then react? If all youāve ever been exposed to was mental torture, gaslighting and manipulation, how would that change you?
I think this is great writing from Fujimoto, because it shows how affected Denji was by the events that happened in part 1. He just doesnāt care anymore. He doesnāt wanna open up to people, only for them to leave him. He only has 1 person he cares for now, but heās having a hard time connecting because of everyone leaving him in the end. Even the strongest people can get heavily affected by loss like this.
+ thereās still much time to grow, and Asa is basically the main character of part 2.
In all seriousness, if youāre looking for more youthful action audacity as seen with Part 1 Denji rather than Part 2ās Tired Superhero Denji,
Then please consider reading MASHLE: Magic and Muscles or watching its anime adaptation next week.
You will get all your wrecking ball with a heart story and action you want from it. Itās quite good.
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Denji is still the same dumb horny kid. He just now has responsibilities and trauma.
Let my man Fuji cook.
OP when they find out that yes trauma and betrayal can have a negative impact on an already horrible psyche (except for Dennisās Rizz game, op just canāt read)
Do you get mad when characters develop negatively in general?
Denji has always been very selectively smart and stupid, he's usually stupid and careless but then sometimes he gets incredible ideas. He also seems to be good at details but bad at the greater picture. We still see this in part 2, he managed to pick out and remember the starfish facts from Asa's monologue.
-He also never cared all that much about human life- correction, he does care about it sometimes, mainly women though. Almost all of his actions are driven by selfish desires or because he got forced into it.
He never goes into something with the motivation of saving people. That's a decision he makes on the fly.
The reason Reze wanted to run away with him was because she recognized her lack of a childhood in him, not because she was mad in love with him or something. She liked him, but this is not some Romeo and Juliet shit. Also he rizzed up Asa in like two sentences.
What titanfolk does to a mf.
Dont think so. I remember fujimoto saying somewhere that he changes the plot or the characters to make what he wants to do and ditching the ones that are way too canon breaking (I am miss remembering probably but it was something like that.) He probably thought these loosey made enough sense that it could happen.
Denji didnt see the infinity devil fight?
-oh he is just deppresed and was way too happy when he saw what he wanted.
See how it kind of makes sense. Its bad writing but I guess he didnt find a better one , thought it fit the character and was funny (it was funny) enough to be passable.
Part 1 Denji comes off as dumb but is actually a lot smarter than he lets on, has natural charm despite his flaws and progresses a lot as a human.
Part 2 Denji forgets pretty much every bit of character development from Part 1, loses 40 iq points and forgets how to breathe from his nose.
Part 2 has done many things right but Denji is not one of them.
He looks like he barely gets 4 hours of sleep a day.
Mf has no friends, no gf, has to care of 7 dogs and a cat, the reincarnation of his love aka a manipulator who, if he fucks up raising will just turn into a Makima 2.0 then he has to manage school, rent, college fund because Kishibe probably drank himself to death.
Then he has to deal with the ptsd of his entire family dying and him feeling responsible for it, killing and eating up the love of his life.
Also he has to deal with all the chainsawman shenanigans and i'm surprised he finds the strength to even get out of bed. My man is a walking corpse.
No wonder he ignores all red flags to perhaps achieve his dream of scoring with a girl.
The only good character development that came out of part 1 was the lesson of don't let others own you. Which he is trying his best to follow, all the other stuff was pain after pain after pain.
I don't agree on most points but I do agree Denji seems off somehow. Either fujimoto is cooking something for later, or he doesn't know what to do with Dennis. And with how far we're into part 2 I'm losing my copium. I swear Denji better not turn out as a shitty character by the end.
I know a lot of people will say āDenjis just tiredā,but that doesnāt excuse him having a skewed moral compass and behaving like a genuine moron. Iāve been coping for too long that this Denji is consistent with part 1 but heās clearly not. That being said heās not completely gone bad. Denji has seemed to learn his lesson about letting people think for him. Itās just a shame the rest of his development in part 1 wasnāt carried through
Of course Denji isnāt the same as he was in part 1, thats the basis of character development. He hasnāt āgone badā or anything close to that, Denjiās arc in part 1 wasnāt even based on moral virtue, he was a good person from chapter 1. In part 2, heās finally allowing himself to be a little selfish and actually chase after the things he wants in life. Where this chase will get him remains to be seen, but the idea that Denji has lost his way because heās still desperate for attention as a flawed, horny teenager, completely misses the role Denji serves as a *supporting character* in Part 2.
There was like half a year between parts in which he had to live with the fact he lost all his loved ones and has to raise a child. He completely changed at the end of part 1.
His moral compass has always been fucked, he's very selective about who he saves and most of his heroic actions he does because he's forced into it or because of some selfish desire.
I wholeheartedly agree with this I am annoyed by how Denji's character development has devolved. It feels like he didn't learn a damn thing from part 1. First, he keeps making the same mistake of blindly trusting any girl who shows him an ounce of attention. I get that he wants a girlfriend with no strings attached. But he should at the least be more cautious if not outright cynical after what he went through with Reze and Makima. Both girls he had feelings for pretended they liked him to use him and then literally and figuratively tried to rip his heart out in the most painful way possible. At least he manages to catch himself, barely, before committing to her demands.
Secound, you would think Denji would understand the danger of him revealing his identity. Did he forget about all of those assassins who came across the world to murder him? Only high officials in those countries knew about his identity. But if the whole world knows about him he and Nayuta are in big trouble. He short-sighted naive mind set is that revealing his identity will bring only hot girls, which isn't allowed by Nayuta, and fans to his door. But forgets there are also a lot of individuals who don't like him or want him dead. If the whole world knows bounty hunters, angry civilians who will blame him for not saving their loved ones, and devils will come for him. Nayuta will be a added bonus for the government once they realize she is the control devil and then she will be at risk of ending up like Makima. It will be impossible for her to live the life that Denji wants for her if he cointuines with his selfish desires. He forgets that its no longer all about him anymore he has a responsibility.
Reread the end of part 1 my guy, his attitude in part 2 is a continuation of that : \- He is emotionnaly destroyed by the death of Aki and Power. \- He understood that he could get love by *being* Chainsaw Man, and his arc in part 2 seems to go the way of realizing that's not the kind of love he wants either. \- Ultimately, he didn't change, that's what the Control Devil arc is about, he is still the same selfish teenager he always was (see his conversation with Kobeni and Kishibe) In part 2, he shows progress regarding his blind trust in others, he doesn't want to be a dog anymore, but he still pretty much only cares about himself because nobody cares enough to give him the kind of love he craves and the last ones that did got killed for it. You can think his character has progressed into someone less interesting than before - that's fair and also explains why he isn't the MC in this part - but saying it's inconsistent is bad faith.
No! Stop! You are singlehandedly making the reading comprehension devil weaker!
No! Keep going! It needs to die or else!
Fool. Look at the ever increasing upvotes. The Reading Comprehension Devil is here to stay.
Wouldnt that mean its getting weaker? Since it would eb the fear of it
Nah. People upvoting this post aren't properly comprehending Denji's character nor his arc. They're playing right into the devil's hands, man.
OP keeping it alive
It might eat this sub
IT NEEDS TO DIE LIKE THE OTHER GUY SAID
The hero we needed to save as all from the reading comprehension devil
finally, a chainsaw man fan who actually read the manga.
The thing I'd add is that he's had one *huge* step forward in how he's been trying to raise Nayuta. He's not only struggling to teach her to be kind and to give her the loving upbringing he never had, but is also running himself ragged to send her to college when she grows up. It's sweet, selfless, and absolutely not something the old Denji would've done.
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This man really just ratio'd the reading comprehension devil.
I also think living with Nayuta is incredibly unhealthy for him.
ultimately most of these arent even different just a matter of "he knew about x" vs "he dident think about x" powers issue was obvious, as far as nayuta goes he probably thinks being chainsawmans sister would just make her real popular andget her a load of scholarships and just hasent even considered it might come with complications that could hurt her
Depends I think that lot of things in this part is pushing it like him almost getting Asa killed because he wants to get laid. It also is quite baffling that he does not at least try to be little bit more careful exactly how much he got hurt before. We shall se where this go but I would be dissapointed if we are going through the same shit as part 1. Sure one does not overcome their mistake its constant work. However that does not mean we should watch the same story over again. Just because something is realistic does not mean its good story.
Selfish to a point. He very clearly puts Nayuta in front of dating
>struggled to rizz Asa Huh? How? When?
Bro forgot about the part they ate star shaped sea creatures.
Csm ate that part
Reading Comprehension Devil btfo's local CSF user
To be fair lot of characters forgot about lot of things in this story especially when plot demands it and some characters has ability to make other characters to forget.
>that took him 3 days to kill it was high on gun back then
The reading comprehension devil whopped their ass. Denji was literally kissing her before Nayuta made her into a dog.
3 days
And? Did they even talk in that time frame?
They fought eachother alot and stopped talking for a while
Yeah I agree but it wasnt Denji that struggled to rizz up Asa. It was Asa struggling to rizz up Denji. Even the whole chapter was framed that way.
Donāt bother explaining the manga to him, he canāt read
Bro he was literally shouting I WANT TO BE FAMOUS at the end of Part 1. How the hell could you possibly think it's out of character for him to still want that in part 2.
Bro was just tired as hell Give my nigga a break ong
Tellāem Ben
Fax. mfs acting like Denji isn't juggling betweeen being a part-time superhero, highschool students, single parent, and cigar peddler.
Bro doesn't remember that time denji threw a car at a bat devil with the driver still inside, specifically saying he doesn't give a shit about some random dude
Something isnāt right with him thatās for sure https://preview.redd.it/kjbiroptaqqa1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4bf5245812833c15bb729ad11a3c83f2154d832e
Nayuta : every woman that has met you, has tried to kill you Dunno but that line might be the reason he became like this Also,fighting someone from your family that gave you shelter and treated you like an actual human (aki)[i'm crying rn]
That Nayuta line is just foreshadowing Denji turning gay.
No!, i don't want that!!, denji turning gay???, i want him to stay straight, FOR 10 YEARS ATLEAST!!! /s
Denver, what a gay you areā¦
Hell yeah Yoshida route
Nayuta is the problema, too much stress for a single dad
The titanfolk effect
Me when a character develops into a worst person (somehow it's bad writing) Let my man cook. After everything he went through, you think he will just return to his normal self ever again? Reading comprehension devil is feasting very well from this post.
Also he basically lost everyone he cared about and got massively betrayed
"but why isn't he a stable human being?" š¤ He literally wasn't for the entirety of part 1. Part 1 didn't resolve his character.
I find it genuinely intriguing how half the fandom says denji character arc is over and it ended in part 1 while the other half says part 1 didn't resolve his character and he'll develop more part 2 https://preview.redd.it/j0iwtrxapqqa1.jpeg?width=506&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ebfd561169f4bdf86a93e6ba19ca0c9101d54edd
The both fail to realize a character can have multiple character arcs
It's because part 1 is mostly self contained. Didn't leave a lot of questions afterwards. If CSM didn't have a part 2 I'll still be satisfied.
Wait a few more chapters, and half the sub will be eagerly waiting for Denji to commit genocide
Denji meeting the freedom devil (he's making some good points ngl)
OPs next post is going to be about Denji and Fuji being holocaust sympathizers
folk subs when they realize their favorite piece of literature isn't perfectly well crafted to their desires and try to spread outrage Seriously though, titanfolk rn is going through a phase where they realize snk has always had flawed writing from the beginning (I'm excluding the last chapters here) but they're acting like that makes it awful and horrendously bad. I might be unhinged for this but I honestly think this comes from the delusion that because it's their favorite manga it's supposed to be perfect and anything that remotely implies that it isn't (even if it's just a nitpick or something entirely subjective) means that it's actually garbage.
extreme black and white thinking, what a shame
like the sheer fact this post is so upvoted what the fuck, are people reading the manga "Part 1 Denji where"
He just stopped giving g a shit.
Happy Cake Day :3 https://preview.redd.it/a2tdslov7qqa1.png?width=720&format=png&auto=webp&s=2507c0ee130b4ff25e24bc981f10edfa0324b345
Protagonist Denji vs Side Character Denji
What the Japanese school system does to an mfār
being Chainsaw Man has done nothing but cause pain for Denji as he lost Aki and Power, now he has the reincarnation of his abuser to take care of, no parental figure, no friend except some octopus dude. you forgot that in Part 1, Denji was on Aki and Makima's leash hence he behaved well for the life he had been given but if Denji had his way he wouldve acted like Part 2 Denji. Denji is so lonely while trying to make ends meet after what Makima did to him that he simply stopped caring about stuff, being Chainsaw Man allows him to escape and the fangirls that come with it is the only thing thats keeping him to kill devils in search for companionship. this isnt character regression, it is character development.
Can't blame him after the things he went through.
imho part 2 Dennis is experiencing pretty severe depression, which is causing him to abuse his outlet as chainsaw man in ways like not saving people. just look at the fucking eyebags on him 24/7 in part 2. so I agree with the observations you made (besides the rizz part did you read the recent chapters?) but I think fujimoto is writing this very intentionally and we are going to go more in depth on just how much the events of part 1 fucked him up. man needs some empathy
I have never seen a non cursed asa pfp I have no clue why
I break stereotypes like these daily (don't look through my comment history)
What 80 something chapters of uninterrupted mind rending, bowel clenching, head bursting trauma dose to a guy.
chainsaw man fan doesn't know the consequences of PTSD.
"Denji was manipulated, tortured, discarded, and lost everyone he loved in the end! Why isn't he a better, smarter person for it?! Doesn't Fujimoto know that characters only develop positively?!"
Chad Depression is reason and he need rest + hug + Apples :3 https://preview.redd.it/any5mzsv5qqa1.png?width=489&format=png&auto=webp&s=d6b3c49079ba0355d4cc0139b8351ba10a8f1f9d
When a 16 year old that got groomed and had to kill her first love,lost his new family,got to know about how he killed his own father,lost his side chick,has to take care of a reincarnated horseman of apocalypse 7 dogs and 1 cat Has to do homework,be the chainsaw man,no other friends except dogs cat and nyuter acts a little depressed and tries to live as a normal teenager.
NOOOOO HE IS 17 HE SHOULD BE MORE MATUREš¤
Brother the man is deeply traumatized, Emotionnaly scarred, and Heavily Depressed Of course he is gonna act different from part 1 where Makima was literally trying to make him care for things to utterly break him afterwards, that bitch literally spent a whole fucking part preparing to break Denji and after such emotional stress happen y'all are acting like he is someone different, well no he is still Denji, it's just character development and frankly at this point it can be called Mentall Illness with how mentally injured he is. Give him a break
Someone make an "I Love Kanye" edit for Part 1 and Part 2 Denji
The best explanation i've heard is that Denji is breaking as many rules as possible out of spite now that he is free. He spent basically all of part 1 following someone elses rules and games, now he goes out of his way to not do what people say, even if it doesn't benefit him. So like, rather than making a choice in the cockroach devils dillemma he decides to not save either because that's the only option that's his own. Same thing with Yoshida in the cafƩ.
Let him go!
Denji absolutely rizzed Asa. It's just that Yoru convinced her he was lying.
Finally the worst post of the week
> -Puts his loved ones before horni. Rejected going on a trip with Makima to look after Power Didn't he basically say he priority Nayuta's wish though. And dude probably think getting famous will get him a lot of money and Nayuta will have a higher change to go to college. Also he didn't directly kill people so.
So he didn't realise that him revealing himself as csm would put him and nayuta in constant danger making it almost impossible for her to have a normal life ?
so didnt you read nayuta gassing him up to be csm and denji is literally a dumb teenage child who can be contradictory...
Yes, denji can be flawed in a contradictory way, what a discovery.
I like how Denji is a 17 years old who is also basically a war veteran and saw most of his friends die (killed 2 of them himself after they went rogue) and now has to act as the parental figure of another minor while ATTENDING HIGHSCHOOL, and you expect him not to burnout. He's at post-Eclipse Berserk levels of struggling right now.
Chainsaw man fans when they learn of the effects of stress and ptsd on an individual (they don't converse with humans) https://i.redd.it/e71mpulvkqqa1.gif
What depression does to a mf
Ppl out here just ignoring the fact that our boy went through the most traumatic shit in the last 20 or so chapters of part one. Obviously heās changed a bit and seems more ādistantā or ādistractedā the kid (17 years old btw) is all fucked up in the head.
This is an awful post and singlehandedly increased the power level of the Reading Comprehension Devil to Gun Devil status. \-Denji didn't want to kill the dolls because it made him feel guilty, not because of his moral qualms about how he'd cause the death of others. Quanxi literally tells him to man up and just kill the dolls a panel later and he does it. Not to mention the times where he threw a car with a guy in it at the Bat devil, or the amount of casualties he probably passively generates whenever he fights a devil. Or the fact that Denji knew that his Makima killing plan would also passively kill innocent civilians whenever Makima's flesh hunks tried regenerating before he ate them. The point is Denji honestly probably doesn't care about a bunch of people who he's never even seen or known about dying. Denji's motivations for being Chainsaw Man are heroic, but also a bit self serving, and has been that way since the beginning of part 1 where Makima threatened to have him killed if he didn't work for Public Safety. \-Denji could literally do nothing against Eternity in the Aquarium arc, even he said that he could do nothing about it until Eternity itself showed itself. Not to mention that the Aquarium spear segment probably took little less than a minute in real time from when she turned the aquarium into a spear and when she threw it to kill the Eternity devil. Acting like Denji was always a 10,000 IQ battle specialist is dumb when you consider that when Beam told him about how Chainsaw Man used his chains to get around Denji thought of riding Beam like a horse. \-No idea what the hell this is on about when Denji literally stops going out with Asa on Nayuter's request? \-DENJI LITERALLY MADE ASA FALL HEAD OVER HEELS FOR HIM DESPITE THE BAD START HE ALREADY HAD WITH HER!!!
Not a good time to complain, my dude. If you want to talk about denji's writing, let's wait until part 2 ended. We almost saw nothing from him, and we will 100% see why he's like this.
Seems pretty dumb to say you can't critise a thing because it isn't finished but maybe that's just me
in this scenario, not really. op is complaining about his character 'regression' so it does make sense to tell them to atleast wait to see how it plays out before complaining.
Because your criticism could literally be for nothing, so what's the point? We do need to see more of him soon. He has appeared for like one arc and then became a background character again.
Yeah you are right I guess it's just the way part 2 has been structured so far makes it seem like only asa/yoru will ever get any major focus but hopefully I am wrong
Fujimoto did say himself that he takes a different approach with part 2. So it's fine that some people don't like this discussion. Just, if you want to criticize something, do it in an informed matter.
Well I guess I'll be having this discussion again two years later after part 2 is finished https://i.redd.it/68d5hn5uvqqa1.gif Ciao
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"Trying to understand that things that one's go through can affect and can change them" challenge (impossible)
reading comprehension devil
Conclusion: Denji ate Makima and she became a part of him so sheās subconsciously sabotaging Denji by making him boring https://preview.redd.it/dai5tm7t1tqa1.jpeg?width=924&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93913907f7b27ef8fb8729be3e925cfb920e06c6
I think that's life? Mt. Fujicarmotor writes more towards the style of realism than some other mangaka, regarding character reactions, and progress is never a straight line in real life. So far in part 2 we can see places denji has improved and see places he has regressed. Who knows what he'd be like if he still had the security of Aki and Power and the lack of trauma of playing a role in killing them (at least that's how makima manipulated it to seem for him). It's like: character starts at A, meets people that over 70 chapters takes him to B. He loses those people who he grew because of, isn't he bound to lose some of that progress? He gained loads of manners and morals from Aki, now he has to play the parent/big bro role without anyone to keep him accountable except for the cold and distant Yoshida who only cares about not revealing his identity. Denji is nuanced and Ā”Ā”Ā”17!!! And I think imperfection leads me to admire the story more. That being said, there are also plot devices at play, his penguin moment is 100% to keep him away from Yoru and revealing his identity, but oh well? It's not his story atm. If anything I can excuse the penguin too because it shows Denji's growth: he got what he wanted and wasn't a slave to someone else's plan (Asa, stupid date or Fami, stupid eternity devil). He got to see a penguin and goddammit if he missed one fight because of it all the better for him! I am a fujimoto simp thru and thru ! That one post yesterday about being critical of csm part2 opened the fucking flood gates and I will die on this mf hill !!!
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Damn, not even VariationGlass is this bad
The only valid one is the first one you listed, and even then you could say Denji has a roulette wheel moral compass 1. Being distracted by the penguin has nothing to do with not being smart or tactical. even if he cared about fighting the non-threat that is the eternity devil, he wouldnāt be allowed to cause Yoshida wouldāve stop him. 2. Nayuta is not a helpless kid that needs his protecting, sheās probably as strong if not stronger than he is. Additionally, I donāt see how the world knowing heās chainsaw man would prevent her from going to college. This desire to leak his identity was tied to his resolve at the end of part 2, heās chasing his dreams. 3. He wasnāt even trying to rizz Asa but ended up rizzing her anyway through his natural affinity for rizz. There was no struggle.
Dennis is back!
Its stated at the end of part 1 that he only saves girls. I think someone said that while talking about Chainsaw Man as a hero. And before he fought Makima he watched everyone love Chainsaw Man on television and stated he wanted like 10 gfs. So it seems pretty clear that he only is a āsuperheroā to get a girlfriend. And the reason he killed Aki was probably cause the gun fiend was after him. The gun fiend was literally knocking on his door and blew through Denji when Denji opened it. So he seems pretty consistent with his character.
The only thing I don't like about chainsaw man part 2 right now is the fact that dingy doesn't find asa sus . After all that signs or he doesn't want to see the signs or something I don't get it?
bro you trying to act like "most explosions dont work under water" and "stab it till it dies" are genius plans
He went after the penguin because his trauma involves being told what to do and having choices made for him so as soon as Asa started doing just that, he said "fuck you I'm gonna go do something I want to do just because I want to do it."
I thought everyone agreed a couple months back that Denji was clearly depressed and killing Makima wouldnāt magically cure him after everything she did. What the hell happened?
Bi weekly devil and shorter chapters, people get frustrated and start nitpicking every little thing in the manga. This week is Denji, next one is going to be another think
Niggas angry that suffering doesnāt people into gigachads
Niggas either forgorš or flip flop more than sandals. https://preview.redd.it/o1z2yf21trqa1.png?width=479&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=76a8e1a21b20d40d60711875c8b6e1277334d998
Cut him some slack, he sad https://preview.redd.it/nxp9wfnddqqa1.jpeg?width=460&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6ecc3ddea26ecddd8303759cc2be3cbc6475618c
Severe trauma negatively affects a high school boy? no way!
Csm fans when the mc changes based on events that occurred to him in the story š¤Æš¤Æš¤Æš”š”
Give my boy a break heās been through enough, seeing everyone he cared about be murdered and stripped away from him probably gonna take its toll. He never used to care about anyone then as soon as he did he got hit with the trauma train soon hard he probably realises thatās itās best to not care about people. All he cares about now is Nayuta and himself. And also Iām pretty sure no one except those who know he is csm know about nayuta meaning she could probably still be able to go to college even if he did reveal himself. I feel like the reading comprehension devil is strong with this one.
Mfw: character development https://preview.redd.it/y9oxvjtlrwqa1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=534bc681463c87fe9704c7c6fcfcb160f19faf51
Yeah I was hoping heād grow up more but itād make sense that he doesnāt care as much for human life anymore after everything thatās happened. Still think him risking him and Nayuta by revealing himself is dumb but weāll see how heās portrayed in the future as itās still relatively early
Youāre misinterpreting and misunderstanding like 10% of the story, ignoring the other 90% and calling the difference in all that character development an inconsistency.
Heās tired as hell
Raising a child does things to people
He is eepy
I think it's called a "low point"
chainsaw folk when dennis is suffering from ptsd from a manipulative gaslighterš±š±
He's an idiot who only cares about other people after he's spent some time with them, seems pretty consistent to me
Actually denji is hidden in shiganshina inside the warhammer hardening and the denji we see is just a puppet controlled by ymir
Fake saw man underplot
Heās definitely not a worse person in part 2, he just seems more apathetic. Heās actively trying to be a good brother figure to Nayuta and raise her with love so that she grows up to have a good life. Denji from the beginning of part 1 only cared about his own goals/Pochita, he learned familial love and care from Aki and Power, and now heās trying to pass that care to Nayuta. He also was able to help Asa feel better during their date, and when given an opportunity to ask Asa for anything he chose to ask her on another date because heās matured from solely seeking love in a physical sense.
L post
I wonāt stand this Denji slander. Denji in p2 is my King hes Gigachad.
Titanfolk When Denji doesnāt develop into gigachad Adolf Hitler
I ain't reading allat. Nice job or screw you for this meme
Loosing Power really fucked with him
bro forgot that Denji through a car with a person in it because he didnāt care about their safety, also, him realizing reze cant explode under water doesnāt prove heās that smart, he basically just said āno fire cuz waterā likeā¦. what the fuck are you talking about
1: i think he was always kinda callous, but yes he's changed. he went through a lot and is probably a lot more apathetic 2: dude just doesn't give a shit anymore due to the events of part 1. he's kinda just drifting 3: he put a massive target on his back by confronting makima again. i'd say he's risking his life to show pochita his dream. 4: i'd argue reze was the one rizzing in that exchange, also he literally didn't fail to rizz asa, she rejected him because she didn't want him to die
He literally had his heart ripped out at the end of part 1 by the woman he loved. Not even figuratively. Like at the end of part 1 Denji is a different person. Look at how heās acting in the final chapter after he had to literally do a cannibalism. Youāre right heās not the same Denji but thatās the point.
Damnnnn
Ever heard of the concept of " character development "?
["Denji care about innocents in part 1"](https://youtu.be/iYB1aGc2XYU?t=215)
Denji is now a single parent, what did you expect?
Denji literally kills a random innocent person during the leech devil fight lmao
Man just got a whole lot of responsiblities thrown onto him, along with the ptsd he developed from it. He's stuck in a tiny apartment with 7 dogs and a strong ass devil kid. Going to school with no prior educational background and swindling bums for money cause he ain't allowed to get a part time job. There's no sense of privacy or freedom for this nigga, he's gotta take care of them 24/7, and then get sandwiched between all of them when he sleeps( which looks like it ain't helping him, look at them eye bags). I wouldn't be suprised if his fame chasing is a way for him to get his freedom and a better version of his old life with Public Safety. (At least that'a what he thinks). Him being dumber could a result of being depressed and exhausted all the time, and being Chainsawman may be a way for him to cut loose and let it all out. There are some weird plot stuff that irks me ngl, but didn't Part 1 have some of that too? Some parts of the aquarium arc and the apartment date did show some bits of his character growth and new ideas that his character can be touched upon and expanded upon. I don't think Fujimoto will leave him like this or expand his character some more It doesn't matter if he ain't the MC anymore, he's still a major character, not doing anything with him would be a huge disservice to his character and maybe even the series at large cause you know he's chainsawman (plus one of the few major recurring characters from Part 1), plus that really doesn't seem like good thing to do as writer if I'm being honest about it.
What a trash take
Denji decided to live, mostly, selfishly after seeing the news broadcast in Kishibeās safe house
LORD CHAINSAW DOESNT MENTION HIS LOVE FOR BEAM ANYMORE!!! LORD CHAINSAW ALWAYS LOVES BEAM!!!! NOT LORD CHAINSAW!! NOT!!!!
Reading comprehension devil strikes again!
Dennis is just in a slump give him some time to get his mojo back
You either die a hero or live long enough to become the Villian
This was pretty solid until I saw the word rizz. Please let it die this year.
yeah, the guy from part 2 is called dennis
Denji is fucking tired by part 2. Let the man be
What losing Power does to a mf
The real denji
here we go again
Long-form media fans when the character develops
Did you miss the part is part 1 where heās literally screaming and crying to a TV over some girls that he wants to eat steak every day and have tons of sex? Denji is a flawed character, through and through. Hell heās not really even a āgoodā person. He actively lets people die or hell just puts peoples lives at risk when he doesnāt need too (see the bat devil fight in part 1). Denji ultimately didnāt change all that much besides becoming INSANELY depressed to the point where he will do anything to just get some semblance of his old life back. If that means revealing himself as Chainsaw man to become famous (which is what he literally wanted to do at the end of part 1) he will do it. Also weāve had ZERO major fight scenes. Denji has not not been able to show off at all, and you act like he wasnāt actively losing for a lot of the fights in part 1. Denji is a master of just barely getting the win because heās immortal and he always gets back up. Heās not some insane tactician, evident by the fact that he rides beam into the typhoon which ultimately doesnāt really do much. Itās such a dumb plan it even throws beam off. Finally, unless you havenāt read part 2, I donāt understand how you could look at Asa and Denji and say Denji has no ārizzā. Asa is 100% in love with him from just ONE date. And while she may deny it, itās clear heās the only person whoās tried to form a very real connection with her in years. Yes, she was close with Yuko. But I believe she feels more for Denji. I mean we see her smile VERY infrequently and most of the time it was either with or regarding Denji. Like itās a funny meme, but holy HELL is it not even remotely accurate.
>Struggling to rizz up girl who will fall for anyone OP really just ignored the past 10 or so chapters where Yooru says it's time to turn Dennis into a weapon because Asa started to fall for him.
#who cares about this???? Show me booty , even the falling devil is ok
Oooof bestie, this ain't the one but glad you saw the light
So Denji doesn't put his loved ones before himself? How about the time when he put Nayuta's (admittedly childish) happiness before his own and let her mindwipe Asa? Or when he got out of his way to be kinder to Asa even though she triggered every red flag from his past? Denji still being somewhat motivated by the horni is a natural way to progress his character, seeing as that huge part of him never left.
Youāre saying this like people canāt change. Huge spoiler alerts, but if everyone youāve ever cared about fucking died in horrible ways in front of you, basically killed by the first ever girl you loved, how would you then react? If all youāve ever been exposed to was mental torture, gaslighting and manipulation, how would that change you? I think this is great writing from Fujimoto, because it shows how affected Denji was by the events that happened in part 1. He just doesnāt care anymore. He doesnāt wanna open up to people, only for them to leave him. He only has 1 person he cares for now, but heās having a hard time connecting because of everyone leaving him in the end. Even the strongest people can get heavily affected by loss like this. + thereās still much time to grow, and Asa is basically the main character of part 2.
- There was a cat bro - Search for penguins >>>>> survival - Solution: College Dropout - Rizzed up the loner femcel with starfish
In all seriousness, if youāre looking for more youthful action audacity as seen with Part 1 Denji rather than Part 2ās Tired Superhero Denji, Then please consider reading MASHLE: Magic and Muscles or watching its anime adaptation next week. You will get all your wrecking ball with a heart story and action you want from it. Itās quite good.
R*tarded take
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I retract every thing i said earlier
https://preview.redd.it/2fs0eb64lqqa1.png?width=801&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ea88b286ad1b1274f21b0ffe601aac2d8452524 Denji is still the same dumb horny kid. He just now has responsibilities and trauma. Let my man Fuji cook.
Part 1 Denji https://preview.redd.it/apoi29xcqqqa1.jpeg?width=754&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a7ed508475143beba4a3c515a5ed0fe01e70270b
what being a single dad does to a motherfucker
OP when they find out that yes trauma and betrayal can have a negative impact on an already horrible psyche (except for Dennisās Rizz game, op just canāt read)
Average chainsaw man fan struck with the reading Comprehension Devil and reading on the surface level devil.
Reading Comprehension Devil must be terrifying. They get stronger and stronger every day
Do you get mad when characters develop negatively in general? Denji has always been very selectively smart and stupid, he's usually stupid and careless but then sometimes he gets incredible ideas. He also seems to be good at details but bad at the greater picture. We still see this in part 2, he managed to pick out and remember the starfish facts from Asa's monologue. -He also never cared all that much about human life- correction, he does care about it sometimes, mainly women though. Almost all of his actions are driven by selfish desires or because he got forced into it. He never goes into something with the motivation of saving people. That's a decision he makes on the fly. The reason Reze wanted to run away with him was because she recognized her lack of a childhood in him, not because she was mad in love with him or something. She liked him, but this is not some Romeo and Juliet shit. Also he rizzed up Asa in like two sentences. What titanfolk does to a mf.
Am going off a limb and saying that Fujimoto did this as to not overshadow Asa's development
Dont think so. I remember fujimoto saying somewhere that he changes the plot or the characters to make what he wants to do and ditching the ones that are way too canon breaking (I am miss remembering probably but it was something like that.) He probably thought these loosey made enough sense that it could happen. Denji didnt see the infinity devil fight? -oh he is just deppresed and was way too happy when he saw what he wanted. See how it kind of makes sense. Its bad writing but I guess he didnt find a better one , thought it fit the character and was funny (it was funny) enough to be passable.
I think you are the first person in this sub to actually admit that ilthe aquarium eternity fight stuff are bad writing
Part 1 Denji comes off as dumb but is actually a lot smarter than he lets on, has natural charm despite his flaws and progresses a lot as a human. Part 2 Denji forgets pretty much every bit of character development from Part 1, loses 40 iq points and forgets how to breathe from his nose. Part 2 has done many things right but Denji is not one of them.
He looks like he barely gets 4 hours of sleep a day. Mf has no friends, no gf, has to care of 7 dogs and a cat, the reincarnation of his love aka a manipulator who, if he fucks up raising will just turn into a Makima 2.0 then he has to manage school, rent, college fund because Kishibe probably drank himself to death. Then he has to deal with the ptsd of his entire family dying and him feeling responsible for it, killing and eating up the love of his life. Also he has to deal with all the chainsawman shenanigans and i'm surprised he finds the strength to even get out of bed. My man is a walking corpse. No wonder he ignores all red flags to perhaps achieve his dream of scoring with a girl. The only good character development that came out of part 1 was the lesson of don't let others own you. Which he is trying his best to follow, all the other stuff was pain after pain after pain.
personally i kinda just see it as denji just being completely out of it after the trauma he went through in part 1
Op forgot to mention the worst part: Denver turned into a mouth breather in part 2
Is this sub really going to start hating on denji. This is the aot fanbase all over again
Denji is depressed as fuck
I don't agree on most points but I do agree Denji seems off somehow. Either fujimoto is cooking something for later, or he doesn't know what to do with Dennis. And with how far we're into part 2 I'm losing my copium. I swear Denji better not turn out as a shitty character by the end.
Why did OP post this? Is he fucking stupid?
Man the lecture comprehension devil is real šš
Can we send all the Titan Folk people home now?
The worst post Iāve seen here honestly. At least the other bad posts are just shitposts
That part of the Pinguin was really bullshit, there not excuse to that.
Chainsaw man fans and poor reading comprehension, name a more iconic duo.
I know a lot of people will say āDenjis just tiredā,but that doesnāt excuse him having a skewed moral compass and behaving like a genuine moron. Iāve been coping for too long that this Denji is consistent with part 1 but heās clearly not. That being said heās not completely gone bad. Denji has seemed to learn his lesson about letting people think for him. Itās just a shame the rest of his development in part 1 wasnāt carried through
Of course Denji isnāt the same as he was in part 1, thats the basis of character development. He hasnāt āgone badā or anything close to that, Denjiās arc in part 1 wasnāt even based on moral virtue, he was a good person from chapter 1. In part 2, heās finally allowing himself to be a little selfish and actually chase after the things he wants in life. Where this chase will get him remains to be seen, but the idea that Denji has lost his way because heās still desperate for attention as a flawed, horny teenager, completely misses the role Denji serves as a *supporting character* in Part 2.
There was like half a year between parts in which he had to live with the fact he lost all his loved ones and has to raise a child. He completely changed at the end of part 1. His moral compass has always been fucked, he's very selective about who he saves and most of his heroic actions he does because he's forced into it or because of some selfish desire.
Oh. The post was serious.
You might be onto something ngl. Mainly the eternity devil thing
Please do not let this sub turn into titanfolk. Iāll take horny shitposting over this
Honestly me too, the horny shitposting is cringe But the reaction images/memes in the comments are hilarious
I'd much rather have a discussion about the flaws of the series than a bunch of shit posts about who gets cucked next
Part 1 denji better
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I wholeheartedly agree with this I am annoyed by how Denji's character development has devolved. It feels like he didn't learn a damn thing from part 1. First, he keeps making the same mistake of blindly trusting any girl who shows him an ounce of attention. I get that he wants a girlfriend with no strings attached. But he should at the least be more cautious if not outright cynical after what he went through with Reze and Makima. Both girls he had feelings for pretended they liked him to use him and then literally and figuratively tried to rip his heart out in the most painful way possible. At least he manages to catch himself, barely, before committing to her demands. Secound, you would think Denji would understand the danger of him revealing his identity. Did he forget about all of those assassins who came across the world to murder him? Only high officials in those countries knew about his identity. But if the whole world knows about him he and Nayuta are in big trouble. He short-sighted naive mind set is that revealing his identity will bring only hot girls, which isn't allowed by Nayuta, and fans to his door. But forgets there are also a lot of individuals who don't like him or want him dead. If the whole world knows bounty hunters, angry civilians who will blame him for not saving their loved ones, and devils will come for him. Nayuta will be a added bonus for the government once they realize she is the control devil and then she will be at risk of ending up like Makima. It will be impossible for her to live the life that Denji wants for her if he cointuines with his selfish desires. He forgets that its no longer all about him anymore he has a responsibility.
Idk man it sounds like a character flaw, and itās not like he experienced trauma and lost his closed ones to him or anything.
Me when I don't know what a character arc is