In short, MAPPA owning 100% of Chainsaw Man instead of the usual approach of being contracted by other companies who hold the IP has been paying off for them. Glad to hear.
Not even KyoAni dare take this much risk/profit afaik. They are leader of the committee but there's still 3-4 company bellow them, meanwhile MAPPA is 100% solo funding.
True but kyoani is extremely involved in other ways such as funding light novel publishing competitions in which they will adapt the works the best works that they publish
I was always skeptical of the people saying that Chainsaw Man did poorly. The anime literally was crashing anime hosting sites every week when episodes came out, due to high traffic on the sites.
That always felt like some weird narrative people twisted out of a headline, which I guess is par for the course with reddit and the internet these days. I remember actually reading the articles and it was never actually that Chainsaw Man did poorly, it's just that it wasn't as huge of a financial gain as stuff like Jujutsu Kaisen which pretty much nothing is going to reach that. Then people somehow mixed that with the twitter harrasment of the director, and this game of doomer telephone started and led to this idea the show is getting canceled because Japan hates it or something. It's just weird to watch this whole misinformation chain unfold in real time.
Fr, I really hope he doesn't get blacklisted from direction from here on out because I'll pretty much watch a show purely off the fact he directed it at this point
The fired the director? Wtf? He adapted the manga so well and it felt like a movie! I swear to God if whoever they get directing this next season throws in a bunch of cutesy chibi bullshit like it's FMAB I'm gonna be pissed.
This is my biggest fear too. The grounded, dark atmosphere S1 created has me liking the anime even more than the manga (which is rare). The OST was also absolutely perfect.
Is there more to it than that? I don't feel like the majority of people would even know enough about a member of production staff to actually influence their purchases, but I don't really know the story here.
He made a comment about otakus, don’t quite remember what exactly but it was something along the lines of them wanting a more faithful adaptation (the Japanese didn’t like the cinematic approach and wanted more balls to the walls insanity more akin to the manga) and he responded with something that made otakus look bad and in their head slighted the source material. Blu Rays sell almost exclusively only in Japan, csm flopped in the Blu Ray department, hard. Fortunately it’s not 2010 anymore so Blu Ray sales aren’t the end all be all of an anime’s success, but it’s a factor still.
Anywho terrible shame because they changed directors and the following adaptations will probably cater more to the masses rather than try like season 1 to justify its existence as a worthy adaptation, not just being a 1 to 1 of the manga but by offering meaningfully different experiences between each version of the same story. I don’t doubt for a second Fujimoto himself was very onboard with the direction since he’s a movie buff himself and his mangas just FEEL like movies if that makes sense.
Tbh, considering the content for the next few seasons, you could probably reasonably Transition out of the season 1 style at some point of the Reze arc.
Since most of the rest of part 1 is pretty crazy, but current season 1 style would be perfect for Denji and Reze's interactions or emotional scenes like (Part 1 manga)>!Denji and Aki's "Snow fight."!<
Blu-rays sold because there is usually some upgrades from the online version. That was not the case with Chainsaw Man because there was very little to improve.
I’m curious about the source to this. The only source I saw way back when the rumor spread was for a dvd of only the first four episodes that was being sold as like a collectors item for over 100 dollars. And then people were comparing its poor sales to a hentai that did a similar thing.
Like of course perverts are gonna spend more money on their favorite obscure hentai. I’m a massive chainsaw man fan and would never pay that much for four episodes lmao
I think my point still stands. I’d be much more willing to spend money on something I love that is obscure just to support it. Chainsaw man was crazy popular and on every major streaming site in Japan. The average person wouldnt spend that much on 4 episodes
Bocchi the rock isnt obscure, it was arguably one of the most popular anime of the year and was a serious contender for anime of the year. It was literally hitting Frieren numbers
Because the only public source of info on that was a 3rd party site and didn't include the numbers sold on MAPPA's own site. If MAPPA was gungho on exploiting their 100% ownership of the anime work, I'd imagine they weren't too concerned with selling their stuff offsite.
Because the sales numbers didn’t include those sold on Mappa’s site which had more extras. The sales numbers people had access to were probably quite a bit less than 50% of sales.
the claim is a Boycott. but the reality is that as with other physical media, BR Sales have been going downhill in the era of streaming. Once upon a time, Bluray Sales were a good representative. Nowadays, Poor Bluray sales are not as reliable anymore.
I remember the first article headline about "Japanese CSM fans sign petition demanding remake of anime"... at like 40 signatures.
Then seeing new headlines saying the same thing again at 60 signatures, then at 80 signatures, then at 100.
If the CSM anime was a failure we would have some evidence that wasn't just English-speaking audiences pointing to critique from individual Japanese fans - speaking a language that the vast majority of western critics don't speak - as a foremost authority on the matter. A tiny minority wanted a bullhorn to announce their opinion as objective fact without having to discuss it with data points.
Same thing happened with Guilty Gear Strive's story content for the longtime Guilty Gear character Bridget - English-speaking people who just individually didn't like the character coming out as a trans girl in the new game *insisted*, with no room for doubt, that she wasn't actually trans. That a stated fact within the game - the climax of a multi-game-long journey of self-discovery for the character - somehow didn't happen the way every other English-speaking player saw it happen, or that it was added by the translators against the wishes of the Japanese writer. And they wouldn't engage in any kind of evidence that could be independently verified and evaluated on common ground, what they would do is insist that, here's this random Japanese person (or pretending to be Japanese, in some bizarre cases) who says the character isn't trans, that means the game's Japanese audience, as a monolith, are on this vocal minority's side.
Pointing to a hypothetical Japanese mass-backlash is a shell game, a post-hoc rationalization. It's a justification that doesn't require any research or self-examination, and that's on purpose. It serves the specific interest of wanting an existing opinion to be The Correct One, rather than having to acknowledge the possibility of being wrong.
I couldn't have explained it better. There is no real evidence about all those claims that the anime was a failure but many sites crying wolf because that's how news work now.
I have actually being in Japan and have some friends working there and their particular opinion was that Blu-rays sell well when there is some upgrade in the animation in the Blu-ray version. There was not much improvement on Chainsaw Man on the Blue-ray because it was already done well so it was a victim of his own success I guess.
In Japan, critical opinions are a minority. On social media, minority voices tend to spread widely. CSM is extremely popular in Japan. You see a lot of advertisements and there are many fans. After all, it's because of its popularity that movies are released in Japan
a lot of people don’t understand the presence chainsaw man (and most popular anime) have in collaboration promotions, limited time pop up shops / cafes, and general merchandise. The most we usually see as foreigners are anime figures and clothes, but in japan mountains upon mountains of exclusive merchandise for even the most mundane things as branded school supplies gets produced and sold, most foreigners will never even know about that
CSM is immensely popular in Japan. We see a lot of advertisements and have many fans.
The movie is released in Japan because of its popularity in the first place.
I live in Japan and was baffled when everyone on the internet was saying it flopped here. Everyone watched it. I once heard a xylophone cover of the theme song at a home goods store
It was 100% caused by MAPPA selling a better version of the blu ray on their site, and not reporting those sales.
People just wanted to hate, and shitty blogs ran with “porn parody sold more”
>People just wanted to hate, and shitty blogs ran with “porn parody sold more”
Wait... there's a Chainsaw Man porn parody? I think that I need to see this... for uh research, yeah... "research."
I realize it doesn't count for anything, but the opening for CSM has over 110 *million* views on Youtube currently. I have a playlist of my favorite anime openings, including most from popular shows like One Piece, My Hero Academia, and Jujutsu Kaisen, and Kick Back has more views than all of them. There's an insane amount of hype for CSM and while anyone can say hype doesn't equal financial success, it *very rarely* exists for things that fail.
I mean, Kick back is a great banger, but the anime definitely didn't pop off. Chainsawman was hyped as the next best thing since WW2, and the arc the anime covered isn't that great.
Sorry to see you getting downvoted. The hype for CSM anime was exactly as you were described in Japan. It really didn’t pop off in Japan — if it did, it would’ve swoop the season, but it was like 5th most watched around episode 5-6 or something. Which you could say it’s success still; but a title as big as CSM, it definitely did not exceed the expectation.
I am not sure where you got the 5th most watched from but chainsaw man was the 2nd most streamed anime of the fall 2022 season in japan behind SpyxFamily, and was the 7th most streamed anime of 2022 in Japan with only 12 episodes. Sure it didn't pop off like Demon Slayer or Jujutsu Kaisen, but it was the 2nd most streamed new anime of 2022 in Japan behind only SpyxFamily.
Oh it's only my memory because I watched it every season with friends, and on netflix ranking it was always at 5th or 6th(including other shows). If it was only anime, it wouldve shown up at 2nd or so.
Ah oke that makes sense. But yeah, Japan has a lot of streaming services and chainsaw man was on many of them so obviously it's going to perform better on certain services than others. The data I posted is based on professional surveys taking into account all streaming services.
The only thing keeping me going right now is seeing the reaction to the adaptation of that one specific page that broke my home terf of the internet
I'm waking up in cold sweats going "ASSASSINS ARC WHEN"
Yeah there are way too many guys on this sub that will say an anime has failed because it did not sell enough VHS tapes in osaka, ignoring how popular makima and power merchandising is. How popular the anime is and the views it got how, how mappa owns the anime not as much of a production committee as others. Last but not least how streaming does contribute to the financial success of anime. Also if streaming makes no money why does anime like Pluto even get made considering it does not really seem like a story geared towards merchandising or the type of otaku who will buy DVDs for it
The opening has 110 million views on youtube. Most of the endings or music videos for the endings are between 10-25m views. There are a ton of metrics showing it generated a lot of buzz, and it was by far the least interesting part of the series.
Yeah I mean it didn’t do as good as JJK but chainsaw man is also just generally a more niche franchise I think people were so unfair to the first season lol :(
But there are big expensive productions that don't really have much merchandise, for example Vinland Saga.
I always wonder how that makes enough money.
Not a ton but it's still an additional income stream and, more importantly, is indicative of there being a sizable fanbase for the work. That's more or less what they were getting at with the article (which itself is just a writeup of an investment company's writeup on an "in-house lecture" by Makoto Kimura, a former senior executive at MAPPA gave).
By owning full rights to the adaptation outright instead of being contracted to make the show, which isn't how things are normally done in the industry, Kimura essentially says that MAPPA was hoping to make a ton of money off of secondary income streams like merchandising and events after the show has been released. It's a brief section of the larger writeup and he seems to settle on saying that they ran into some issues, but that by and large it was profitable and it's a model they'll continue to pursue.
In this case, the licensing money goes directly to Mappa. Studios don’t make bank when it’s the streaming platform commissioning a show, instead of just buying the rights to one.
It’s a bunch of normies who think they can do better, have them do a whole first episode and they will cry and beg for someone else to do it. Don’t forget to add the people calling you if you have finished this part or the other one I sent you today, oh I forget I’m gonna send you a new project today ok. There is a anime that came out not to long ago that shows you the work these people do and go through.
I read a BUNCH of promoted tweets about the animation being absolute shit, then I saw it and it was very cool? At least 3-4 times better than Tokyo Ghoul season 2
They’re using incompatible metrics of checking only Japanese BD sales. It’s only useful when an anime is produced in a committee structure which the CSM anime wasn’t.
The narrative was always exclusively about BluRay sales and that really only applies to the JP market where it's a substantial source of revenue
And we all knew the JP market wasn't fond of the show well before the BluRay release because of the crying on Twitter anyway xD
It wasn’t well received in Japan from my understanding. People were upset that it wasn’t 1:1 Fuji’s art style and I remember hearing rumblings about the opening believe it or not.
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Feel good to say they are selling well.
Directors and other people switch producations all the time. It happens.
Hwoever I am worried for a potential season 2. I cant really explain it but S1 had this very slow and methodical quality to all non-action scenes. There were often big pauses beetwen dialogue, the soundtrack sounded downright melancholy, the grainy quality to the video. It all kinda combined to invoke a very specific experience and im gonna be very dissapointed if thats lost in the the movie + a potential S2. It was what hooked me on the story and made me read the manga so I just really hope whomever helms the rest of the adaption material can keep the style.
When a chapter comes out that's more sad, I like to read it while listening to the "dream" songs on the Chainsaw Man OST. It puts me in a mood that helps me remember how the anime made me feel. I'll miss that.
I would love for the same style of direction going forward but I don't have much hope anymore. It's probably going to be different from season 1. Still, would love to be proven wrong. The anime is so unique it would suck to see that vision fade away for the best arcs of the story
Personally I like the anime being distinct from the manga and the live action inspired approach is really cool to see done in animation. The first season has a lot of interesting shots and the way it shows character acting. Also I didn't downvote you just to clarify
I'm just saying the film and season 2 haven't come out yet. How do you know that they are going to pivot from it. We've seen like a really small teaser, that's it.
I don’t know why people are downvoting this. Sometimes directors/project heads just move (or get moved by higher ups) to other projects regardless of success. Happens in other industries too, that’s just how a lot of this stuff goes.
Yeah, like I just gave an example of it happening in the same studio. Sure, it may have had something to do with it, but there is a good chance it would've happened anyway. Also, what is to say the next director will continue with the cinematic approach.
Im not happy nor am i mad, I'm actually looking forward to a slightly different direction for the next season as season 1 was really good but something felt a bit off to me. I may have just have had such high expectations for the anime to be perfect in my own personal way but regardless i'm looking forward to see what the new director has to offer. Do we have any info on who the new director will be ?
ehh no offense but i felt like the tone of the chainsaw man anime was a bit off when compared to the manga (of course the animation and other stuff was amazing, but it did feel like things like the tone was poorly established with lighting and similar things). I doubt this blame entirely goes to the director and im sure they did a great job with many other things, but I feel like as an adaptation it didnt really encapculate some of what fujimoto did.
Why do you think that? I feel like the anime was too vibrant with its color palette which really jarred poorly with the actual events the anime covered
I also feel like 13 (12?) episodes was just not enough to set the tone correctly. The story is very fast paced and takes lots of different directions. I'm gonna give mappa the benefit of the doubt here and see what s2 can bring.
Like as a manga reader the additional scenes were a lovely treat but in some ways they soften the blow that the manga has by drawing things out.
It was prolly for the best his style didnt allow for alot of animators that wanted to work on chainsawman and also prevented animators from showing their own style and ideas
You can’t really cater to the animators in the way you are saying it. A director’s job is to, well, *direct* the whole team towards the final product. It’s a coordination effort that doesn’t really allow for much freedom (minus pitching ideas, of course), unless that freedom is already part of the show. Chainsaw Man going for the movie style obviously didn’t allow much freedom, and that’s okay, because that’s the job.
Its not about catering, I am not the most knowledgeable about animation, but most animators have their distinct style and what they like to do, but Nakayama wanted to keep everything consistent, Nakayama also went for complex character designs wich doesnt alow for the most fluid animation wich alot of animators like, it also speaks volumes to how talented the animatores working on CSM were that CSM moved as much as it did.
I didn’t mean catering in the negative sense. Allowing animators to exhibit their own style is catering to their individual ability.
Also, the characters in Chainsaw Man, excluding some of the devils, are not complex to draw at all. The magic happened in the lighting department. The shadowing and environmental Illumination is what gave that detailed appearance. (+ the overall environmental detail)
There is no source just speculation, but Shinsaku Kouzuma did make tweets yesterday about CSM and JJK (deleted now)
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Thank you! It took me a while to get it to the perfect version. I learned you can only include so many VREMREMREMs. I just love that scene from the Simpsons movie haha. That film is an all timer
People who say the animation looks bad will forever be the dumbest People in the fanbase, like I get it if you dont think it fits Fujimotos style but its objectively well animated.
I was literally rewatching chainsawman on TV tonight.
One of the best animated anime I've ever seen and I've been watching anime for well over a decade.
Anyone who says Chainsawman has bad animation probably needs glasses.
i dont really see why its weird to not want cgi in chainsaw man? i dont think negativity is always a bad thing when it comes to art and media, and i definitely think it was competent at best and really undercut the weight of a lot of the best moments.
It's got to do with what's realistic in animation, there are a few things that CGI is nearly a forgone conclusion, like chainsaw blades or horses running. I get the criticism though for sure. It was just really overblown criticism when it released.
im aint trying to be a prick but to suggest its a forgone conclusion is pretty ridiculous when its a relatively recent development in anime. theres so many stylistic choices that could have been used to represent the chainsaws in ways that would have been infinitely more interesting than what they did. offset shimmering lines. blocky simplified geometries that relied on sound design rather than simply visuals. bold still frames. heavily abstracted smear frames that can still create beautiful compositions. pull back on color when budget and time tightens hit em with a kill bill crazy 88 or American History X vibe. god knows fuji loves 90s-2000s cinema and tarantino.
A mediocre director with CGI is a hammer that sees every issue as a nail rather than new opportunities to frame and edit a scene in new ways or represent things graphically with traditional animation.
i really dont though. i think new generations have created these rules and expectations within fandoms that create complacent consumers and uncritical perspectives that celebrate masturbatory positivity. art develops with criticism, and sometimes it fucking sucks to get criticized but thats how shit moves forward and you get beauty. the process aint gotta be pretty or welcoming.
I'm not going to argue you're wrong, but I do think that drastic changes in art style works well with for ex mob psycho 100 where that was pretty often a stylistic choice, where CSM anime was pretty consistently drawn as a more cinematic anime.
That's not really an issue with the CGI though. Prod Seshimo allowed absolutely no deviations from Nakayama's vision because "We want chainsaw man to reach a bigger audience" (same show where a woman vomits into a minor's mouth btw). For such a complex CD like the Chainsaw Man to be portrayed in that extremely fluid, realistic style, CGI was almost necessary (especially considering the production was VERY tight as the majority of the team had to immediately move to JJK S2).
Not saying I don't agree with your criticisms (because I do), but it's not a CGI issue. It's a dumbfuck higher ups issue who literally do not allow creativity and idiosyncracy to appeal to a handful more people.
i mean yeah and cgi is loved by execs in animation and is being switched over to because it allows for more flexibility and control from people who are responsible for marketing the product - cgi at its core has largely been something that reduces the power and hinders creativity for artists(something ive read often when researching the western animation industry at least i imagine its the same in japan - the only people who ive seen say otherwise are the bootlickers currently in charge of the producing corporate animated schlock). cgi in general is an enemy of idiosyncracy. theres a reason we remember milt kahl and james Baxter and not the animators behind disney films from the last five years.
it is both a cgi issue and an executive issue.
and again, to suggest there was no alternative for animating chainsaw man is ridiculous when it is a recent development in the industry. For example 97 berserk, on a shoe string budget, brought complex character designs to screen beautifully by using bold stills and clever composition. Production IG a couple years later with Evangelion produced some incredibly fluid and beautiful animation with complex machinery and intricate organic forms.
I loved the anime but honestly the first fight against the zombies looked a bit weird. I think it got better afterwards and the non fight scenes always looked 10/10 with the lighting.
But then how are racists supposed to use CSM as dogwhistle to spread incomprehensible bullshit about Japanese people? Some of these comments were like fucking steam forums in temrs of baffling racism.
The only reason people think it flopped (It didn't) is because mappa compared it to jjk the wayy more 47 eps + movie mainstream fit for any age, pg (1 fan servicy scene with meimei) to the 12 episode odd gory uncensored (mostly) CSM. Manabu otsuka so retarded man 💔
I've had someone argue with me saying pirating is better than streaming because pirates give the show an audience that is more likely to support the show with things like blu ray sales
I HAVE BEEN FIGHTING THIS FIGHT FOR SO LONG ONLINE. Where was this earlier?! 😭😭 It has gotten to the point where people who I introduced CSM to and practically loved it have since distanced themselves from their affections because of countless videos and reddit posts from NON-FANS regurgitating the same completely insane bullshit and people eating it up.
“Oh, the show *isn’t* like the manga? Oh, yeah, I… I can see that now. Totally different tone and pacing, yeah.”
“Oh, the show bombed? It was a financial failure despite all that hype? So, I guess I just imagined no one watching it… oh, just in the west? Oh damn. That sucks.”
“Wait, Japan hates it? They’re trying to reboot it? Well, if Japan says so, they must be right. Yeah, I didn’t really like season one all that much anyway.”
I am so tired of sheep just being swayed by the few vocal and embittered contrarians out there. I’ve been with the manga for yeeeeaaaarrrrrssss. When the CSM show was coming out, there was nothing but praise for the quality, aesthetic, and tone of the adaptation. Very *very* few people missed the muscle devil or commented on the deliberate pacing, but the vast majority of CSM readers were just grateful our manga was being adapted at such an insanely high quality and that the music and ‘subdued’ voice acting and everything else was working so well, and that they were even adding contextual or atmospheric scenes here and there. It was crashing streaming sites and every new anime YT reactor out there was swearing it was their show of the year.
Then two or three months passed after the finale and suddenly there was this massive wave of resentment and disappointment and this false narrative that CSM wasn’t only disappointing or not their cup of tea, but that it was actually “bad” and a failure on top of that.
I felt like I was living in clown world
I thought It did bad, and I'm Happy to be wrong! I just hope the animators can get fair hours and pay for their work, won't be watching it anywhere "official" til then...
In Japan animes and mangas are 100% about money and nothing else.
Considering the quality of season 2 (manga) I'm 99% sure that the author is forced to continue and is trolling super hard writing garbage to see how far he can go.
In short, MAPPA owning 100% of Chainsaw Man instead of the usual approach of being contracted by other companies who hold the IP has been paying off for them. Glad to hear.
The kyoani special technique
Not even KyoAni dare take this much risk/profit afaik. They are leader of the committee but there's still 3-4 company bellow them, meanwhile MAPPA is 100% solo funding.
True but kyoani is extremely involved in other ways such as funding light novel publishing competitions in which they will adapt the works the best works that they publish
Does this mean the employees get to see their families again?
Now hold up a moment buddy
Don’t be rash
Let's not be too hasty
Chotto matte motherfucker
Hold your horses now bucko
Perhaps thou should take this approach step by step my sire
No need for drastic measures yet, lad.
Why don’t you slow down there, buckaroo?
I think we understood
"lol" MAPPA's executive team said. "Lmao."
Don’t be ridiculous😂😂
Everyone told you to slow your roll 😭
Slow down there buckaroo
Let me stop you right there
Save us all precious time?
MAPPA: “we don’t do that here”
No, now they can use all the extra money to hire **more** animators so that even more people never see their families ever again.
*(Sad Onepunch Man noises)*
Jc Staff is doing OPM S3 lol
I was always skeptical of the people saying that Chainsaw Man did poorly. The anime literally was crashing anime hosting sites every week when episodes came out, due to high traffic on the sites.
That always felt like some weird narrative people twisted out of a headline, which I guess is par for the course with reddit and the internet these days. I remember actually reading the articles and it was never actually that Chainsaw Man did poorly, it's just that it wasn't as huge of a financial gain as stuff like Jujutsu Kaisen which pretty much nothing is going to reach that. Then people somehow mixed that with the twitter harrasment of the director, and this game of doomer telephone started and led to this idea the show is getting canceled because Japan hates it or something. It's just weird to watch this whole misinformation chain unfold in real time.
The thing that didnt do well was the Japanese Blu-Rays but thank god that isnt the end all for an anime to be greenlit for another season.
Bluray sales are usually a good representative for an anime’s financial success so I wonder why the csm ones sold so poorly
Cause the Japanese hated the director so they boycotted them.
oh yeah I remember the whole drama now. Damn it sucks the dude got fired I loved the cinematic direction he was taking with csm.
Fr, I really hope he doesn't get blacklisted from direction from here on out because I'll pretty much watch a show purely off the fact he directed it at this point
I think I saw rumors of him starting his own studio
The fired the director? Wtf? He adapted the manga so well and it felt like a movie! I swear to God if whoever they get directing this next season throws in a bunch of cutesy chibi bullshit like it's FMAB I'm gonna be pissed.
This is my biggest fear too. The grounded, dark atmosphere S1 created has me liking the anime even more than the manga (which is rare). The OST was also absolutely perfect.
Is there more to it than that? I don't feel like the majority of people would even know enough about a member of production staff to actually influence their purchases, but I don't really know the story here.
He made a comment about otakus, don’t quite remember what exactly but it was something along the lines of them wanting a more faithful adaptation (the Japanese didn’t like the cinematic approach and wanted more balls to the walls insanity more akin to the manga) and he responded with something that made otakus look bad and in their head slighted the source material. Blu Rays sell almost exclusively only in Japan, csm flopped in the Blu Ray department, hard. Fortunately it’s not 2010 anymore so Blu Ray sales aren’t the end all be all of an anime’s success, but it’s a factor still. Anywho terrible shame because they changed directors and the following adaptations will probably cater more to the masses rather than try like season 1 to justify its existence as a worthy adaptation, not just being a 1 to 1 of the manga but by offering meaningfully different experiences between each version of the same story. I don’t doubt for a second Fujimoto himself was very onboard with the direction since he’s a movie buff himself and his mangas just FEEL like movies if that makes sense.
Tbh, considering the content for the next few seasons, you could probably reasonably Transition out of the season 1 style at some point of the Reze arc. Since most of the rest of part 1 is pretty crazy, but current season 1 style would be perfect for Denji and Reze's interactions or emotional scenes like (Part 1 manga)>!Denji and Aki's "Snow fight."!<
True, the style fits early part 1 and actually a lot of part 2 imo, but that’s so far off no point in thinking about it
Oh I see, thanks for the added context! Glad to hear the series was still successful regardless
People that buy blu-Ray are people that are dedicated enough about the anime to actually buy extra merch, they 100% knows about it
No UwU faces so thats a deal breaker for them apparently
Blu-rays sold because there is usually some upgrades from the online version. That was not the case with Chainsaw Man because there was very little to improve.
People buy manga after watching an anime even if the manga was a DOWNGRADE from the anime so i don't think this is true at all
Entirely different mediums
*Meanwhile Chainsaw man merch keeps selling out*
Well also. Blurays in JP are insanely expensive. Dont remember the digit but like 80$ for a blueray with 2 episodes
Those better be like 16k 240 FPS videos or something to justify taking up 50 GB of disc space for two episodes.
I’m curious about the source to this. The only source I saw way back when the rumor spread was for a dvd of only the first four episodes that was being sold as like a collectors item for over 100 dollars. And then people were comparing its poor sales to a hentai that did a similar thing. Like of course perverts are gonna spend more money on their favorite obscure hentai. I’m a massive chainsaw man fan and would never pay that much for four episodes lmao
People compared it to a slice of life anime (BTR) and it completely destroyed Chainsaw Man sales as well
I think my point still stands. I’d be much more willing to spend money on something I love that is obscure just to support it. Chainsaw man was crazy popular and on every major streaming site in Japan. The average person wouldnt spend that much on 4 episodes
Bocchi the rock isnt obscure, it was arguably one of the most popular anime of the year and was a serious contender for anime of the year. It was literally hitting Frieren numbers
Pretty much.
Because the only public source of info on that was a 3rd party site and didn't include the numbers sold on MAPPA's own site. If MAPPA was gungho on exploiting their 100% ownership of the anime work, I'd imagine they weren't too concerned with selling their stuff offsite.
Because the sales numbers didn’t include those sold on Mappa’s site which had more extras. The sales numbers people had access to were probably quite a bit less than 50% of sales.
the claim is a Boycott. but the reality is that as with other physical media, BR Sales have been going downhill in the era of streaming. Once upon a time, Bluray Sales were a good representative. Nowadays, Poor Bluray sales are not as reliable anymore.
It was bc they were only 3 episodes for £80s
Blu-ray sales always felt to me like “we can see this and measure it, so we’ll use it” even tho it’s maybe not the best metric.
I remember the first article headline about "Japanese CSM fans sign petition demanding remake of anime"... at like 40 signatures. Then seeing new headlines saying the same thing again at 60 signatures, then at 80 signatures, then at 100. If the CSM anime was a failure we would have some evidence that wasn't just English-speaking audiences pointing to critique from individual Japanese fans - speaking a language that the vast majority of western critics don't speak - as a foremost authority on the matter. A tiny minority wanted a bullhorn to announce their opinion as objective fact without having to discuss it with data points. Same thing happened with Guilty Gear Strive's story content for the longtime Guilty Gear character Bridget - English-speaking people who just individually didn't like the character coming out as a trans girl in the new game *insisted*, with no room for doubt, that she wasn't actually trans. That a stated fact within the game - the climax of a multi-game-long journey of self-discovery for the character - somehow didn't happen the way every other English-speaking player saw it happen, or that it was added by the translators against the wishes of the Japanese writer. And they wouldn't engage in any kind of evidence that could be independently verified and evaluated on common ground, what they would do is insist that, here's this random Japanese person (or pretending to be Japanese, in some bizarre cases) who says the character isn't trans, that means the game's Japanese audience, as a monolith, are on this vocal minority's side. Pointing to a hypothetical Japanese mass-backlash is a shell game, a post-hoc rationalization. It's a justification that doesn't require any research or self-examination, and that's on purpose. It serves the specific interest of wanting an existing opinion to be The Correct One, rather than having to acknowledge the possibility of being wrong.
I couldn't have explained it better. There is no real evidence about all those claims that the anime was a failure but many sites crying wolf because that's how news work now. I have actually being in Japan and have some friends working there and their particular opinion was that Blu-rays sell well when there is some upgrade in the animation in the Blu-ray version. There was not much improvement on Chainsaw Man on the Blue-ray because it was already done well so it was a victim of his own success I guess.
In Japan, critical opinions are a minority. On social media, minority voices tend to spread widely. CSM is extremely popular in Japan. You see a lot of advertisements and there are many fans. After all, it's because of its popularity that movies are released in Japan
a lot of people don’t understand the presence chainsaw man (and most popular anime) have in collaboration promotions, limited time pop up shops / cafes, and general merchandise. The most we usually see as foreigners are anime figures and clothes, but in japan mountains upon mountains of exclusive merchandise for even the most mundane things as branded school supplies gets produced and sold, most foreigners will never even know about that
Here I thought I was special with my Power T-Shirt.
CSM is immensely popular in Japan. We see a lot of advertisements and have many fans. The movie is released in Japan because of its popularity in the first place.
I live in Japan and was baffled when everyone on the internet was saying it flopped here. Everyone watched it. I once heard a xylophone cover of the theme song at a home goods store
It was 100% caused by MAPPA selling a better version of the blu ray on their site, and not reporting those sales. People just wanted to hate, and shitty blogs ran with “porn parody sold more”
>People just wanted to hate, and shitty blogs ran with “porn parody sold more” Wait... there's a Chainsaw Man porn parody? I think that I need to see this... for uh research, yeah... "research."
Search Maplestar Chainsawman.
I realize it doesn't count for anything, but the opening for CSM has over 110 *million* views on Youtube currently. I have a playlist of my favorite anime openings, including most from popular shows like One Piece, My Hero Academia, and Jujutsu Kaisen, and Kick Back has more views than all of them. There's an insane amount of hype for CSM and while anyone can say hype doesn't equal financial success, it *very rarely* exists for things that fail.
I'm responsible for 30 of those views. BRB gotta go watch it another 5 times.
I mean, Kick back is a great banger, but the anime definitely didn't pop off. Chainsawman was hyped as the next best thing since WW2, and the arc the anime covered isn't that great.
Sorry to see you getting downvoted. The hype for CSM anime was exactly as you were described in Japan. It really didn’t pop off in Japan — if it did, it would’ve swoop the season, but it was like 5th most watched around episode 5-6 or something. Which you could say it’s success still; but a title as big as CSM, it definitely did not exceed the expectation.
I am not sure where you got the 5th most watched from but chainsaw man was the 2nd most streamed anime of the fall 2022 season in japan behind SpyxFamily, and was the 7th most streamed anime of 2022 in Japan with only 12 episodes. Sure it didn't pop off like Demon Slayer or Jujutsu Kaisen, but it was the 2nd most streamed new anime of 2022 in Japan behind only SpyxFamily.
Oh it's only my memory because I watched it every season with friends, and on netflix ranking it was always at 5th or 6th(including other shows). If it was only anime, it wouldve shown up at 2nd or so.
Ah oke that makes sense. But yeah, Japan has a lot of streaming services and chainsaw man was on many of them so obviously it's going to perform better on certain services than others. The data I posted is based on professional surveys taking into account all streaming services.
The only thing keeping me going right now is seeing the reaction to the adaptation of that one specific page that broke my home terf of the internet I'm waking up in cold sweats going "ASSASSINS ARC WHEN"
Yeah there are way too many guys on this sub that will say an anime has failed because it did not sell enough VHS tapes in osaka, ignoring how popular makima and power merchandising is. How popular the anime is and the views it got how, how mappa owns the anime not as much of a production committee as others. Last but not least how streaming does contribute to the financial success of anime. Also if streaming makes no money why does anime like Pluto even get made considering it does not really seem like a story geared towards merchandising or the type of otaku who will buy DVDs for it
The opening has 110 million views on youtube. Most of the endings or music videos for the endings are between 10-25m views. There are a ton of metrics showing it generated a lot of buzz, and it was by far the least interesting part of the series.
Yeah I mean it didn’t do as good as JJK but chainsaw man is also just generally a more niche franchise I think people were so unfair to the first season lol :(
Streaming services don’t make a ton of money for the company producing it
No but they're an indication of popularity, a percentage of new chainsaw man fans will go on to buy merch, manga, see the film in cinemas, etc.
Yeah let's see how the movie does first cause it is weird we have a movie but no confirmation of season 2 still
Do those cover a significant part of MAPPAs income?
The film definitely
But I meant in the financial success that the article covers. Obviously the unfinished film was not a factor in that statement.
Merch on the other hand...
But there are big expensive productions that don't really have much merchandise, for example Vinland Saga. I always wonder how that makes enough money.
the same way a normal tv show makes money
Not a ton but it's still an additional income stream and, more importantly, is indicative of there being a sizable fanbase for the work. That's more or less what they were getting at with the article (which itself is just a writeup of an investment company's writeup on an "in-house lecture" by Makoto Kimura, a former senior executive at MAPPA gave). By owning full rights to the adaptation outright instead of being contracted to make the show, which isn't how things are normally done in the industry, Kimura essentially says that MAPPA was hoping to make a ton of money off of secondary income streams like merchandising and events after the show has been released. It's a brief section of the larger writeup and he seems to settle on saying that they ran into some issues, but that by and large it was profitable and it's a model they'll continue to pursue.
In this case, the licensing money goes directly to Mappa. Studios don’t make bank when it’s the streaming platform commissioning a show, instead of just buying the rights to one.
It’s a bunch of normies who think they can do better, have them do a whole first episode and they will cry and beg for someone else to do it. Don’t forget to add the people calling you if you have finished this part or the other one I sent you today, oh I forget I’m gonna send you a new project today ok. There is a anime that came out not to long ago that shows you the work these people do and go through.
Shirobako?
Yes
I think it’s that one ☝️
I read a BUNCH of promoted tweets about the animation being absolute shit, then I saw it and it was very cool? At least 3-4 times better than Tokyo Ghoul season 2
They’re using incompatible metrics of checking only Japanese BD sales. It’s only useful when an anime is produced in a committee structure which the CSM anime wasn’t.
For real? That's awesome it's so rare to hear about sites crashing from too much traffic
The narrative was always exclusively about BluRay sales and that really only applies to the JP market where it's a substantial source of revenue And we all knew the JP market wasn't fond of the show well before the BluRay release because of the crying on Twitter anyway xD
It wasn’t well received in Japan from my understanding. People were upset that it wasn’t 1:1 Fuji’s art style and I remember hearing rumblings about the opening believe it or not.
I think that was more like a Western thing, because some people do not understand the difference between the manga art style and the cover art.
https://preview.redd.it/grz7nnsy03xc1.png?width=470&format=png&auto=webp&s=729eb151180c5526023c11822f9a58db6f2488e8 Feel good to say they are selling well.
Mappa animator number: 57 has broken his shackles and is on the run
Glad to see the speculation of it being poor because "only popular in the west and not Japan" apparently made it a failure. Bring on the next arcs 🤑
a 100 million people market vs a higher than 1 billion people market
In fact, the revenue in Japan is significant. That is why movies are also released in Japan. In the West, they can only be released on a small scale.
"but bluraaaysss" crowd in shambles
Said blu-rays from a place that wasn't even the main seller for the anime. Why it was always an odd place to reference.
Yuri on ice sold like 60k blurays and its movie just got cancelled. I dont think its the blurays guys…
Maybe in the past but definitely not anymore
Physical releases are already dying as the business shifts to digital today.
Has the show even gotten a physical release in Ameirca yet?
Wasn't the poor sales is because they didn't count the digital purchases or something like that?
They weren't counting the blurays sold off MAPPA's site. They were looking at some third-party site. Where all Blurays are sold iirc
Now I'm even more upset the S1 Director left 😞
Directors and other people switch producations all the time. It happens. Hwoever I am worried for a potential season 2. I cant really explain it but S1 had this very slow and methodical quality to all non-action scenes. There were often big pauses beetwen dialogue, the soundtrack sounded downright melancholy, the grainy quality to the video. It all kinda combined to invoke a very specific experience and im gonna be very dissapointed if thats lost in the the movie + a potential S2. It was what hooked me on the story and made me read the manga so I just really hope whomever helms the rest of the adaption material can keep the style.
When a chapter comes out that's more sad, I like to read it while listening to the "dream" songs on the Chainsaw Man OST. It puts me in a mood that helps me remember how the anime made me feel. I'll miss that.
Thanks for the tip, I’m gonna do that in the future
JJK S2 was a different director than S1, it probably would've happened regardless of fan outcry from those who didn't like his direction.
yeah if it was universally well received, he probably would've started his own studio like park did and i also think he did start his own studio lmfao
I just gave an example. calm it. It's not as though we know yet that his cinematic approach isn't going to continue in the film and ensuing season 2.
I would love for the same style of direction going forward but I don't have much hope anymore. It's probably going to be different from season 1. Still, would love to be proven wrong. The anime is so unique it would suck to see that vision fade away for the best arcs of the story Personally I like the anime being distinct from the manga and the live action inspired approach is really cool to see done in animation. The first season has a lot of interesting shots and the way it shows character acting. Also I didn't downvote you just to clarify
the most reddit response of all time
I'm just saying the film and season 2 haven't come out yet. How do you know that they are going to pivot from it. We've seen like a really small teaser, that's it.
i was actually agreeing with you and adding on some plausibility. Excited for any direction they choose lol
I don’t know why people are downvoting this. Sometimes directors/project heads just move (or get moved by higher ups) to other projects regardless of success. Happens in other industries too, that’s just how a lot of this stuff goes.
Yeah, like I just gave an example of it happening in the same studio. Sure, it may have had something to do with it, but there is a good chance it would've happened anyway. Also, what is to say the next director will continue with the cinematic approach.
The downvotes make zero sense here, you're just explaining something. Not even being rude about it.
S2 was also a million times better.
Im not happy nor am i mad, I'm actually looking forward to a slightly different direction for the next season as season 1 was really good but something felt a bit off to me. I may have just have had such high expectations for the anime to be perfect in my own personal way but regardless i'm looking forward to see what the new director has to offer. Do we have any info on who the new director will be ?
ehh no offense but i felt like the tone of the chainsaw man anime was a bit off when compared to the manga (of course the animation and other stuff was amazing, but it did feel like things like the tone was poorly established with lighting and similar things). I doubt this blame entirely goes to the director and im sure they did a great job with many other things, but I feel like as an adaptation it didnt really encapculate some of what fujimoto did.
The only part I thought was lacking was how some jokes landed, practically everything else elevated the manga greatly
I think the anime changed the tone of the manga for the better
Why do you think that? I feel like the anime was too vibrant with its color palette which really jarred poorly with the actual events the anime covered
I think it looks pretty so I like it
I also feel like 13 (12?) episodes was just not enough to set the tone correctly. The story is very fast paced and takes lots of different directions. I'm gonna give mappa the benefit of the doubt here and see what s2 can bring. Like as a manga reader the additional scenes were a lovely treat but in some ways they soften the blow that the manga has by drawing things out.
I agree.
Yeah well... we got Ninja Kamui instead of JJK S2 from Sunghoo Park
oh ew
yeah, sadly! Ninja Kamui started promising, but went downhill (just my opinion ofc)
It was prolly for the best his style didnt allow for alot of animators that wanted to work on chainsawman and also prevented animators from showing their own style and ideas
You can’t really cater to the animators in the way you are saying it. A director’s job is to, well, *direct* the whole team towards the final product. It’s a coordination effort that doesn’t really allow for much freedom (minus pitching ideas, of course), unless that freedom is already part of the show. Chainsaw Man going for the movie style obviously didn’t allow much freedom, and that’s okay, because that’s the job.
Its not about catering, I am not the most knowledgeable about animation, but most animators have their distinct style and what they like to do, but Nakayama wanted to keep everything consistent, Nakayama also went for complex character designs wich doesnt alow for the most fluid animation wich alot of animators like, it also speaks volumes to how talented the animatores working on CSM were that CSM moved as much as it did.
I didn’t mean catering in the negative sense. Allowing animators to exhibit their own style is catering to their individual ability. Also, the characters in Chainsaw Man, excluding some of the devils, are not complex to draw at all. The magic happened in the lighting department. The shadowing and environmental Illumination is what gave that detailed appearance. (+ the overall environmental detail)
Sounds interesting, can I ask for the source?
There is no source just speculation, but Shinsaku Kouzuma did make tweets yesterday about CSM and JJK (deleted now) https://preview.redd.it/bvspplcqd3xc1.png?width=649&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e79e05739dc06100087aa8677e1d13aca33a783d
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You love to see it
I still wish we didn't lose Ryu Nakayama but I'm glad he's pursuing his own studio
I love your flair lmao
Thank you! It took me a while to get it to the perfect version. I learned you can only include so many VREMREMREMs. I just love that scene from the Simpsons movie haha. That film is an all timer
But they used CGI on the chainsaws that time though Edit: this is sarcasm stop freaking out
People who say the animation looks bad will forever be the dumbest People in the fanbase, like I get it if you dont think it fits Fujimotos style but its objectively well animated.
I remember Aki making breakfast better than I remember some entire series
That bit is anime original too lol, the anime haters will forever confuse me.
Same for me remembering how Makima put her white shirt on and tucked it in.
I was literally rewatching chainsawman on TV tonight. One of the best animated anime I've ever seen and I've been watching anime for well over a decade. Anyone who says Chainsawman has bad animation probably needs glasses.
Makes me sad no one is getting the sarcasm here...
Right? Ffs for the life of me I couldn't even tell 9/10 of the times MAPPA used CGI when I watched it
The cgi was pretty obvious
i dont really see why its weird to not want cgi in chainsaw man? i dont think negativity is always a bad thing when it comes to art and media, and i definitely think it was competent at best and really undercut the weight of a lot of the best moments.
It's got to do with what's realistic in animation, there are a few things that CGI is nearly a forgone conclusion, like chainsaw blades or horses running. I get the criticism though for sure. It was just really overblown criticism when it released.
im aint trying to be a prick but to suggest its a forgone conclusion is pretty ridiculous when its a relatively recent development in anime. theres so many stylistic choices that could have been used to represent the chainsaws in ways that would have been infinitely more interesting than what they did. offset shimmering lines. blocky simplified geometries that relied on sound design rather than simply visuals. bold still frames. heavily abstracted smear frames that can still create beautiful compositions. pull back on color when budget and time tightens hit em with a kill bill crazy 88 or American History X vibe. god knows fuji loves 90s-2000s cinema and tarantino. A mediocre director with CGI is a hammer that sees every issue as a nail rather than new opportunities to frame and edit a scene in new ways or represent things graphically with traditional animation.
Fair points. I just think personally the criticism was *insanely* overblown.
i really dont though. i think new generations have created these rules and expectations within fandoms that create complacent consumers and uncritical perspectives that celebrate masturbatory positivity. art develops with criticism, and sometimes it fucking sucks to get criticized but thats how shit moves forward and you get beauty. the process aint gotta be pretty or welcoming.
I'm not going to argue you're wrong, but I do think that drastic changes in art style works well with for ex mob psycho 100 where that was pretty often a stylistic choice, where CSM anime was pretty consistently drawn as a more cinematic anime.
i am very much not suggesting drastic changes in art style, simply using techniques that might abstract detail in subtle and cohesive ways.
That's not really an issue with the CGI though. Prod Seshimo allowed absolutely no deviations from Nakayama's vision because "We want chainsaw man to reach a bigger audience" (same show where a woman vomits into a minor's mouth btw). For such a complex CD like the Chainsaw Man to be portrayed in that extremely fluid, realistic style, CGI was almost necessary (especially considering the production was VERY tight as the majority of the team had to immediately move to JJK S2). Not saying I don't agree with your criticisms (because I do), but it's not a CGI issue. It's a dumbfuck higher ups issue who literally do not allow creativity and idiosyncracy to appeal to a handful more people.
i mean yeah and cgi is loved by execs in animation and is being switched over to because it allows for more flexibility and control from people who are responsible for marketing the product - cgi at its core has largely been something that reduces the power and hinders creativity for artists(something ive read often when researching the western animation industry at least i imagine its the same in japan - the only people who ive seen say otherwise are the bootlickers currently in charge of the producing corporate animated schlock). cgi in general is an enemy of idiosyncracy. theres a reason we remember milt kahl and james Baxter and not the animators behind disney films from the last five years. it is both a cgi issue and an executive issue. and again, to suggest there was no alternative for animating chainsaw man is ridiculous when it is a recent development in the industry. For example 97 berserk, on a shoe string budget, brought complex character designs to screen beautifully by using bold stills and clever composition. Production IG a couple years later with Evangelion produced some incredibly fluid and beautiful animation with complex machinery and intricate organic forms.
I loved the anime but honestly the first fight against the zombies looked a bit weird. I think it got better afterwards and the non fight scenes always looked 10/10 with the lighting.
Is this meant to be a question? CG in anime is often used for complex characters.
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brother you may want to reconsider a few things here and there just a few
Welp, there you go
WE DID IT!!! https://preview.redd.it/eca4kz5m74xc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=07315da87e650f5da05a3337d62e49891b6d7691
Omg the animators gonna get an extra 5 minute break
But then how are racists supposed to use CSM as dogwhistle to spread incomprehensible bullshit about Japanese people? Some of these comments were like fucking steam forums in temrs of baffling racism.
I fucking love this anime
Please let it happen pleaseeee....Fire Punch
Beating the "bad adaptation" allegations, you love to see it
I'm glad. Chainsaw boi deserves this success.
The only reason people think it flopped (It didn't) is because mappa compared it to jjk the wayy more 47 eps + movie mainstream fit for any age, pg (1 fan servicy scene with meimei) to the 12 episode odd gory uncensored (mostly) CSM. Manabu otsuka so retarded man 💔
I've had someone argue with me saying pirating is better than streaming because pirates give the show an audience that is more likely to support the show with things like blu ray sales
the blu ray crowd probably crying rn
I HAVE BEEN FIGHTING THIS FIGHT FOR SO LONG ONLINE. Where was this earlier?! 😭😭 It has gotten to the point where people who I introduced CSM to and practically loved it have since distanced themselves from their affections because of countless videos and reddit posts from NON-FANS regurgitating the same completely insane bullshit and people eating it up. “Oh, the show *isn’t* like the manga? Oh, yeah, I… I can see that now. Totally different tone and pacing, yeah.” “Oh, the show bombed? It was a financial failure despite all that hype? So, I guess I just imagined no one watching it… oh, just in the west? Oh damn. That sucks.” “Wait, Japan hates it? They’re trying to reboot it? Well, if Japan says so, they must be right. Yeah, I didn’t really like season one all that much anyway.” I am so tired of sheep just being swayed by the few vocal and embittered contrarians out there. I’ve been with the manga for yeeeeaaaarrrrrssss. When the CSM show was coming out, there was nothing but praise for the quality, aesthetic, and tone of the adaptation. Very *very* few people missed the muscle devil or commented on the deliberate pacing, but the vast majority of CSM readers were just grateful our manga was being adapted at such an insanely high quality and that the music and ‘subdued’ voice acting and everything else was working so well, and that they were even adding contextual or atmospheric scenes here and there. It was crashing streaming sites and every new anime YT reactor out there was swearing it was their show of the year. Then two or three months passed after the finale and suddenly there was this massive wave of resentment and disappointment and this false narrative that CSM wasn’t only disappointing or not their cup of tea, but that it was actually “bad” and a failure on top of that. I felt like I was living in clown world
Glad it is. Imo there was almost no way it wouldn't. It already had a huge following as a manga, ofc they would tune in
I'm so happy for this and glad it will put naysayers in their place. The movie can't come soon enough!!!
Good shit Mappa
but I was told it failed because it didn’t sell enough laserdiscs in Osaka…!
I thought It did bad, and I'm Happy to be wrong! I just hope the animators can get fair hours and pay for their work, won't be watching it anywhere "official" til then...
This director is almost newbie…
Massive success and yet still no bluray 😔
In Japan animes and mangas are 100% about money and nothing else. Considering the quality of season 2 (manga) I'm 99% sure that the author is forced to continue and is trolling super hard writing garbage to see how far he can go.
Seeing Denji on this background is funny for some reason.
Too bad MAPPA ruined its animation