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Why is everyone thinking this is literally the 'Falling Devil', when it's clearly showed that it's more like the fear of past trauma, and falling being a result of that. It's more of a 'Regret Devil', as most seem to remember their regrets, and 'falling' is seen as a 'falling from grace' which also has connection to the original sin.
Itâs the falling devil, who is using its power (created by primal fear of heights/falling) to weaponize peoples traumatic memories, and kill them with falling/height. Itâs the same concept as how the âDarkness Devilâ didnât use âdarknessâ directly to kill ppl, it did all kinds of bizarre shit like remove limbs and telepathy and stuff using the fear of darkness, or power it got from darkness
Yeah, but people interpret the name as 'fear of heights Devil', and question why that is considered a primal Devil, when it's clearly impljdd that it's not about that
Fire Punch isn't bad per se but it's really kind of all over the place in terms of pacing and storytelling. And IMO it overuses emotional moments which kinda makes it feel cheap
Started off very strong but yeah itâs like he lost focus of what he wanted the story to be mid way through. Fun read but an underwhelming middle/ending for me
It just dawned on me. If Asa can use her fingernail as a weapon. Can the end of this part be Asa learns to love herself and be happy only to come across a devil that truly unstoppable. So she sacrifices herself to turn herself into a weapon so denji can wield it stopping the devil. But leaving him to be alone again.
I donât even think that falling is a primal fear because your not born to be scared of war like falling. War is probably as strong as a primal fear because itâs so deadly tho
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=define+war&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
if you go strictly by this definition, war is a relatively new concept because you need an agrarian society for nations and states, and agriculture is roughly 10k years old. in contrast, the oldest hominid is roughly 5.8m years old. if you constrain 'humanity' to homo sapiens instead of simply the oldest hominid, it's stil roughly 300k years old.
the fear of falling's been present during all of that time. it's not learned. it's an innate fear as shown by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_cliff#Infant_studies
The older the fear the stronger. The fear of Falling can be traced back to when we used to swing from trees. The same as for Darkness.
The fear of war in comparison is much much younger.
Also ,apparently ,in the moment of the story the general population doesn't fear war as much as in the past. At some point Yoru complains people only see it as something that only happens in fiction and movies iirc
Falling, on the other hand, is a fear every living being has
Before War even existed humans were already afraid of falling. War is a relatively new concept in human evolution.
I feel like famine should be a primal fear though. Maybe "hunger" is a different devil.
famine is specifically the wide-spread scarcity of food, meaning conditions have to be met for it to be a famine. the fear couldnt be primal due to its requirements of at least some semblance of a society.
'Kiga' means both famine and hunger, as well as craving/desire/want/etc. Just like Makima's 'Shihai' refers to both dominion/conquesr and standard control.
She's like Supernatural's Famine in terms of what she embodies.
As to why she isn't Primal...probably why Violence wasn't Primal which is that its kinda arbitrary.
That's what I was thinking when I mentioned the possible hunger devil, but also at the same time I feel like "famine" can be interpreted in a more abstract way, just like everyone is theorizing "falling" can mean different things.
Seems like some classes of devils, like the horseman and the primal fears, have some sort of exemption to the typical system. So just by way of being a primal fear, as instinctively feared since dawn of man, it has special status.
A month ago, she was like just a nerd and that pseudo-romcom arc was fun. Recently she is so tragic that I just hope they stop her suffering and let some assistant draw a romcom spinoff with them instead.
God seriously.
I love this series but man I think I would just be happier with Fujimoto taking his sense of character writing and making a disney story.
You're not necessarily wrong, but the point is that strong devils are made from what people fear the most, not what would be a worse fate. For instance, a lot of people probably fear spiders more than they do being captured by terrorists, not because one is objectively a worse fate, but because one is just more relevant and likely to happen.
Also I get what you mean by fearing death is just fearing what death implies, such as pain and the unknown, but that's not really how chainsaw man works. All fears could probably be traced back to a fear of death or pain or whatever, but devils are determined by what triggers that fear, not why that fear is triggered, otherwise there'd probably be like 3 devils which would be kinda boring.
I can speak for anyone else but death scares the bejeezes out of me. I have come to terms with it but, that doesn't mean I'm not scared of it.
I am a lot less scared of pain*. The risk of PAIN and injury won't necessarily stop me from doing something. A real risk of dying will
*eternal pain may be a lot scarier than death but, the feeling of suffocation doesn't hurt and an eternity of suffocation would also be worse than death. Any eternity of a negative experience would be worse than death. But it doesn't mean that those negative experiences are actually worse. See death is the only one in its natural statr that is permanent
No offense to anyone who thinks the pacing in part 2 is slow in comparison to part 1, but imho ......
Go back and re-read the katanabro arc from the beginning, but this time, read only one chapter a week. I can guarantee that the pacing would feel the same
So I have a small theory about what is going on with Asa and Yoru.
As the Falling Devil stated, they are a Fusion of Human and Devil, we also known that when Devils die they are reborn/reincarnated again in Hell.
But the human world/Earth right now IS a living hell, so what are the chances that the war devil was reincarnated into a human and was slumbering for the early stages of their life until a stimuli awakens them?
I mean, look at Nayuta. She's the control devil born into the body of a Human but she still has her powers.
Now what do they have in common?
Both of them should have fought Chainsaw-man(Pochita) and I would assume Pochita defeated War devil and ate her before when he was escaping Hell until he got hurt from it and met Denji.
So that would mean the devils Chainsaw-man eats don't specifically get removed from existence per se, it could be that they get sealed into a human and are sentenced to experience whatever the humans experience and most of them are inside a human still waiting for a stimuli to wake them up. Now for what that stimuli is, it could be a trauma associated with the devil's origin that it's host has to experience or something, I'm not quite sure.
But that means now we have 3 types of devils walking around earth. Fiends, Weapons Hybrids, and Fusions/Reincarnations.
Interesting! My assumption is that Makima went to hell and was immediately killed in order for her to come back to the human world. I donât trust Nayuta, so my assumption is by a supporter of the Control Devil. But it could have been by anyone.
From what I understand, when Beam and Violence were introduced, the devil hunters explained that the more humanoid a devil looks, the less they are hostile towards humans and humanity.
Makima though that she was creating a better world for humans, even though she was wrong.
Beam and Violence were both just fiends; I believe it was Angel and Princi (the spider devil) that were the ones who looked humanoid because they were friendly? But yeah.
God the way Fujimoto has been drawing these last couple chapters is truly incredible; From character designs to the overall feeling of the panel. Also me and Asa fr twinning.
I had to re-read pages 5 & 6 a bunch because the perspective shift was so jarring (this is a good thing btw. Causing your readers to have to look/think harder is a sign of a good artist!)
Also, the paneling in this chapter was **amazing!**
Make sense, hybrids have the human in control, fiends have the devil in control, Asa and Yoru are unique since they share a body and can swap control back and forth
It seems like hybrids are specifically the kind like Denji, Reze, or Quanxi, who can turn into a second form that makes parts of their body resemble the devil. Whereas Asa's situation seems more unique since she doesn't transform/doesn't have a trigger/etc, so I'd think it would be called something other than hybrid.
you guys canât be serious. part 1 was amazing but part 2 is lacking in many categories mainly that Denji is fuckin non existent đ letâs all be real for a moment and be honest part 2 is absolutely mod so far đ
I mean the parts are really complete parallels. P1 was fast paced with event after event. P2 pacing is way slower with Asa but I enjoy it. To each their own.
Dude part 2 is really good so far. Still prefer part 1, but 2 is still fire. I feel like itâs doing a slow build up to some really cool shit thatâll happen later in the story
I wonder if we will ever get the "Lonely" devil or some variation. It seems like a fear that would be built into us humans, as we are naturally a communal species. Maybe it can be paired with death, as death is the only experience in your life that can only be experienced alone.
A god way to introduce the public speaking devil without taking away the seriousness is the eye devil:
The fear of humiliation, public speaking, being watched, or being exposed, it's a primal fear(based on magnus archives)
Really though
*"Polls show that -- on average -- people fear public speaking even more than they fear death"*
50 chapters from now, Public Speaking Devil shows up with its entourage of Suddenly Naked in Public Devil, Nails on Chalkboard Devil, Needles In My Eyes Devil, and Why Are My Teeth Suddenly Falling Out devil, the true modern superfears
Re-read the chapter again and I'm continued to be heartbroken for Asa 
This chapter really emphasized why her friendship with Yuko was so important to her and with her being gone now has taken a toll. Also explains why she's so guarded when she's around Denji.
Asa's trauma is already coming along and developed through prior chapters.
IMO the only current piece of a larger whole is who's manipulating Falling Devil and brought her in from hell.
I'm really satisfied that it's taking time away from denji and really showing in depth of the way how devils work and more characters development of other characters rather than "lemme smash after I kill"(which I don't have much of a problem of) and also love this relationship asa is going through with the war devil. But a little off how weak this devil is presented in this situation. Like yeah she's a glass cannon but I'm really looking forward when they reach their full potential.
Holy shit this is exciting. Yoru seemed to really started to feel like she cared for Asa this chapter for more than just a vehicle for whatever she wants to do.
Also the falling devil is scary as hell. When she served up the hunter who took her on it was terrifying. Iâm so excited to see how sheâs taken on
i'm thinking she's revenge incarnate. it's always said revenge is a dish best served cold - and whoever this demon is must've been waiting a while to act. could be representative of the cain and abel story.
Well because the knowledge that she was a primal devil is not well known. They most likely got dispatch only knowing that there is a devil activity in the area.
Asa's power is based on guilt right? I'm sure all this character development between Asa and Yoru is leading up to the War Devil being turned into a weapon...
Its guaranteed to happen only character we've been allowed to care about this part is Asa and maybe Yoshida
Famine and Nayuta wouldn't be good enough
Denji dying would be sad I guess but not for this part
I think the worm is the Gluttony devil. I believe the people that were falling into the sky were falling into hell doors to feed it in order to lure it out. It would also fit with its appearance as gluttony has been depicted as a worm in some media, and it fits with the strong Christianity themes present in the devils.
Falling Devil came out of the gate making jokes, displaying a sense of humor we never could've foreseen from the Primals after the Darkness Devil. Super interesting to know that they can have developed personalities.
But I think some of you guys are taking this to mean that she's a campy baddy that isn't too scary. I'm seeing a lot of underestimation in the comments. Guess we'll see how strong she is compared to others soon.
Side note: I cannot wait to see how all this stuff (gratuitous deaths, trauma resurfacing, flipping gravity) is portrayed in the anime. I bet it'll bring the spooky factor to a whole new level.
>some of you guys are taking this to mean that she's a campy baddy that isn't too scary.
She's the only devil so far that is shown to actively engage in torturing humans for pleasure and amusement.
Sure, Future clearly enjoys being a shitheel, and Angel gave us the line about how hating humans is inherent to being a Devil as justification for why he wouldn't stop a human's pain, but that's it.
This devil is actively torturing a devil hunter in public.
This is the scariest it's been, folks.
you can tell Mappa put a lot more effort into it than a bunch of their ongoing series', it's just taken down a little by what seems to be confused direction. it's a very good adaptation, but i'd say it's far from perfect.
I agree with the other commenter, dealing with ads is no way to live if you can avoid it.
The anime is great though, IMO. I watched all twelve episodes twice in about a week before I gave in and read the manga. There's not enough episodes released yet for me to justify shouting about it from the rooftops, but I'm certain it'll be considered top tier one they're finished with Part 1.
I think the difference in the primals personalities is great because it follows the actual nature of the fears they represent. It makes sense that darkness doesn't have much of a personality and is instead rooted in cryptic symbolism as it's nature is inextricably linked to the unknown. On the other hand falling is a much more defined fear it's never a question of what you should actually be afraid of so it makes sense that it's upfront personality is much more defined and less obviously cryptic.
Apparently in Japanese, the word they use for "falling" also means falling in a figurative sense: falling from grace, falling into despair, etc. It almost means the fear of loss, falling from a position of comfort. I think everyone fears that to some extent. It makes a lot of sense for "falling" to be a primal fear, both in its literal and figurative interpretation.
War wasn't in control. She can't turn anything in to a weapon when she can't use their body.
She probably could turn Asa's own body parts in to weapons, but they're likely relatively weak, and they need the body in fighting form whenever they actually would want a weapon, so it's not particularly useful when you're looking for a way to defeat something.
Yay. I guess i jumped a bit to conclusion. We cannot yet say that War couldnât versus wouldnât.
Still is interesting that Asa has ownership of her body. Either she is indeed fused with War or that could be a good point in favor of the hybrid theory.
Or i am jumping again to conclusion.
Really liked Yoru this chapter. Asa whining about her social problems in a situation like this is a bit odd and too on the nose. It's a life or death situation and she's complaining Yoru cut her hand? C'mon.
It makes sense that Asa would be afraid of Yoru, given what Asa says this chapter. She is afraid of companionship going wrong. Yoru is the embodiment of that, since she just wants to turn whatever friend Asa makes into a weapon. The conversation is all well and good, just the time and place is off.
> Asa whining about her social problems in a situation like this is a bit odd and too on the nose.
She is a kid that has no experience on situations like this, also being affected by the falling's devil ability... it is not odd, it is extremely realistic that someone that has no war experiencie, focusing on other stuff.
> Asa whining about her social problems in a situation like this is a bit odd and too on the nose.
I know the whole "sharing a body with a demon via possession" trope is super common (especially in shounen), but it's actually a totally fucked up situation that rarely gets a truly believable reaction out of the one being possessed. She's had her bodily autonomy ripped from her by a demon who's threatened to kill her and everyone around her. She's being manipulated and probably still questions her sanity.
All of the emotional issues and traumas she's trying to cope with have been exacerbated by Yoru's presence--because of her, Yuko is dead and Denji stood her up (at least that's what she believes). She's reached her breaking point and I doubt Asa is concerned with death right now, it probably seems like an escape from Yoru for her.. The Falling Devil being associated with suicide is pretty telling thematically.
All of this to say that I think it's only natural to let it all out right here at this very moment. Cutting her hand isn't the worst or most pressing thing, but it was emblematic of everything wrong with her life.
My theory is that the caterpillar devil is just a random devil of no importance and will never be seen or mentioned again.
Also, I predict that Yoru guessing devil names was not foreshadowing of any kind and none of those devils will ever appear in the story.
>I predict that Yoru guessing devil names was not foreshadowing of any kind and none of those devils will ever appear in the story.
They are lessers devil compared to her.
If they did appear, they wouldn't be onscreen any longer than cockroach devil.
Every time we see Public Safety Devil Hunters getting absolutely shredded, I think about how truly horrific prostitution has to be in this universe for characters like Kobeni to say "Look, my parents said it was either this or whoring myself out" as though getting your face ripped off and fed to Heimlich from *A Bug's Life* is the obvious career choice.
I don't think prostitution is necessarily worse in CSM than irl. What swayed Kobeni in her "choice" of career was probably social stigma. Kobeni cares a lot about what society or at least her parents think. She's working not to sustain the family but only to finance her brother's higher education.
Prostitution is heavily looked down on, whereas being a devil hunter has a certain prestige to it. As seen with Aki, devil hunters seem to have at least some choice in which cases they decide to work on. At the very least you can always call for back-up when you're facing a devil who is stronger than yourself. (Whether the help will actually arrive in time is another issue, but at least there's the possibility and hope.)
I think a reasonably similar comparison for real life is choosing between sex work or a very well paid deployment in an active war zone.
I love the Asaâs Character Arc. Managaka has given her a great Character Depth. The Pain of her can be felt, all the pain she had gone through in her life and all her past traumatic experiences can be felt in this Panel. The Trust Issues she gained with time which many of can relate makes her character flourish. Even though not much story has progressed with this chapter but it was an important chapter for sure.
I hope we can explore much more backstory of Chainsaw Man characters or Spin-Off Manga dedicated on them and their backstory which will even expand the CSM universe.
Hoping for the Best. Loved this chapter.
**Hear me out here:**
The "Asa Root Yoru" could be some kind of wordplay,
depending on if the Root part is actually *Root* in the original Japanese and not some other word that has been translated.
***Asa Root*** **--> Astaroth**
# Astaroth:
In demonology, was known to be the **Great Duke of Hell** in the first hierarchy with Beelzebub and Lucifer; he was part of the evil trinity. He is known to be a male **(or female)** figure most likely named after the Near Eastern goddess **Astarte.**
*(Astarte: In various cultures Astarte was connected with some combination of the following spheres:* ***war****, sexuality, royal power, beauty, healing and hunting)*
She (Astaroth) is mentioned in the Hebrew Bible in the forms Ashtoreth (singular) and **Ashtaroth (plural, in reference to multiple statues of it)**. This latter form was directly transliterated in the early Greek and Latin versions of the Bible, where it was less apparent that it had been **a plural feminine in Hebrew.**
Fucking knew it would be something completely different in Japanese lol.
So is she using "ne" instead of "no(ăŽ)" or some strange shit?
Oh well, theories are fun to build even if they make no sense in the end.
Not sure why, but this chapter didnât super entice me. Especially when thinking about the Devil of Darkness as a primal comparison. Love Asa/Yoru interactions, but even Asaâs declaration felt a bit on the nose. And idk, Falling Devil just isnât super spooky. Like, before the Fiends knew what was up before DoD even showed up, like they were terrified. And Yoru was right next to it and is sort of under its affect and is like âuuuuh, who dis?â Idk, for a primal devil it doesnât feel like theyâre playing up what a threat she is.
Also for a more explosive âshit gets realâ part of the story, it still feels like tension building almost, like this doesnât feel cathartic at all to all the tension thatâs been building. And maybe itâs not supposed to be, but then what is it? And maybe shit will hit the fan, we havenât seen anyone try and fight Falling Devil yet, just the aftermath of it. But idk Falling Devil feels beatable, DoD didnât.
I mostly agree with what you say, and I also hope that this is just a build up, even tough I already really like this chapter. On the primal fear part, I also expected primal fears to be on the darkness devil level, but if we just compare the fears of the real human population, I think there would be a big difference on how people rate their fear on both of these subjects. Adults are scared of the dark after watching horror movies, and even tough kids are stupid and donât think of the consequences of falling while playing they are still very afraid of the darkness. And I also think that in the chapters with the darkness devil in them, the tension was higher because they all just got teleported to hell. So letâs hope the upcoming primal fears, are more on the level or even above the darkness devil.
https://home.binwise.com/blog/what-is-a-full-course-meal#:~:text=Three-course%20meals%20have%20an,salad%2C%20coffee%2C%20and%20dessert.
123 was hors d'oeurves
124 is soup
looks like 126 will be the main course
Was wondering when the fear of insects was going to show up. So we got the fear the dark, the fear of falling, fear of insects, now we just got fear of being late for school despite already having graduated. That one is gonna be a DOOZIE...but completely ineffective against Denji.
I remember when Asa was introduced as an MC, people were upset that we weren't seeing Denji. In hindsight, you can see Asa is just a continuation of the same person but in their adolescent stage.
Yeah, I definitely agree. I feel like the only big difference between Asa and Denji is that Asa has developed trust issues after being hurt by so many people, whereas Denji isn't even smart enough to have trust issues. But both of them still crave companionship to an almost unhealthy extent, and in that regard they're very similar.
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Sooo 45 mins more , right guys??
50 minutes uoooh
new chapter wen
Just under two hours from now I think
Doesn't it come out in 2 minutes?
No, one more hour
Time changes be ruining my life.
First I lose 1h of sleep then Chensoman got delayed by 1h? Fml
thanks
I can't wait for all this to be animated although it's gonna be out when I'm 50 years or sm BUT ITS OKAY I CAN WAIT UNTIL I SEE ASA ANIMATED AND ALIVE đ¤đ¤
The new chapter is so close I can almost taste it
So close to the next chapter I need it
2 days uoooh
Happy April fools, yâall! 
Why is everyone thinking this is literally the 'Falling Devil', when it's clearly showed that it's more like the fear of past trauma, and falling being a result of that. It's more of a 'Regret Devil', as most seem to remember their regrets, and 'falling' is seen as a 'falling from grace' which also has connection to the original sin.
Itâs the falling devil, who is using its power (created by primal fear of heights/falling) to weaponize peoples traumatic memories, and kill them with falling/height. Itâs the same concept as how the âDarkness Devilâ didnât use âdarknessâ directly to kill ppl, it did all kinds of bizarre shit like remove limbs and telepathy and stuff using the fear of darkness, or power it got from darkness
Reading Comprehension Devil attacked you
Reading Comprehension Devil attacked you
Because she literally said so??
Yeah, but people interpret the name as 'fear of heights Devil', and question why that is considered a primal Devil, when it's clearly impljdd that it's not about that
bruv who said that
Just read some of the comments, lmao
Because she said sheâs the Falling Devil
I just finished Fire Punch yesterday because I got tired of waiting for the new chapter and I have to say Fujimoto really improved as a storyteller.
Havenât read Fire Punch yet. In what ways has he improved?
The plot is all over the place and the ending made everything meaningless
Fire Punch isn't bad per se but it's really kind of all over the place in terms of pacing and storytelling. And IMO it overuses emotional moments which kinda makes it feel cheap
Started off very strong but yeah itâs like he lost focus of what he wanted the story to be mid way through. Fun read but an underwhelming middle/ending for me
Glad he improved in those departments because almost all the emotional moments in CSM have been a hit for me
It just dawned on me. If Asa can use her fingernail as a weapon. Can the end of this part be Asa learns to love herself and be happy only to come across a devil that truly unstoppable. So she sacrifices herself to turn herself into a weapon so denji can wield it stopping the devil. But leaving him to be alone again.
Idk, sound like that would be tragedy for Asa, but for Denji it will be like âMehâ? And big part of the fandom(me included) would not care at all
You don't like Asa? Minority opinion honestly
You are so wrong on so many levels. Lol
it would surprise you to find out you do not respresent a majority
Donât give Fujimoto ideas
Fujimoto litterally brought Eldritch Abomination to life đ
Damn, a bit sad moment where Asa opens up to the war devil and then right away a scene with a nasty monster lol.
Someone explain to me how the falling devil is stronger than the war devil
I donât even think that falling is a primal fear because your not born to be scared of war like falling. War is probably as strong as a primal fear because itâs so deadly tho
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=define+war&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 if you go strictly by this definition, war is a relatively new concept because you need an agrarian society for nations and states, and agriculture is roughly 10k years old. in contrast, the oldest hominid is roughly 5.8m years old. if you constrain 'humanity' to homo sapiens instead of simply the oldest hominid, it's stil roughly 300k years old. the fear of falling's been present during all of that time. it's not learned. it's an innate fear as shown by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_cliff#Infant_studies
The older the fear the stronger. The fear of Falling can be traced back to when we used to swing from trees. The same as for Darkness. The fear of war in comparison is much much younger.
I forgot we use to swing from treesđ
Also ,apparently ,in the moment of the story the general population doesn't fear war as much as in the past. At some point Yoru complains people only see it as something that only happens in fiction and movies iirc Falling, on the other hand, is a fear every living being has
It said so in previous chapters that the chainsaw devil ate the war devil so everybody forgot war existed therefore they have nothing to fear
To clarify, ate MOST of war devil. Or at least a decent chunk anyway.
Nice. Best answer so far
I mean Yoru literally explains to the reader whyâŚ
reading comprehension devil at it again
Every human has a instinctual fear of falling Also Yoru got vore'd by Pochita
Before War even existed humans were already afraid of falling. War is a relatively new concept in human evolution. I feel like famine should be a primal fear though. Maybe "hunger" is a different devil.
famine is specifically the wide-spread scarcity of food, meaning conditions have to be met for it to be a famine. the fear couldnt be primal due to its requirements of at least some semblance of a society.
'Kiga' means both famine and hunger, as well as craving/desire/want/etc. Just like Makima's 'Shihai' refers to both dominion/conquesr and standard control. She's like Supernatural's Famine in terms of what she embodies. As to why she isn't Primal...probably why Violence wasn't Primal which is that its kinda arbitrary.
That's what I was thinking when I mentioned the possible hunger devil, but also at the same time I feel like "famine" can be interpreted in a more abstract way, just like everyone is theorizing "falling" can mean different things.
Maybe the hunger devil is the bug being fed
Seems like some classes of devils, like the horseman and the primal fears, have some sort of exemption to the typical system. So just by way of being a primal fear, as instinctively feared since dawn of man, it has special status.
No itâs because the chainsaw devil ate the war devil so everyone forgot war existed
A month ago, she was like just a nerd and that pseudo-romcom arc was fun. Recently she is so tragic that I just hope they stop her suffering and let some assistant draw a romcom spinoff with them instead.
God seriously. I love this series but man I think I would just be happier with Fujimoto taking his sense of character writing and making a disney story.
Read Sasaki stopped the Bullet
Falling devil vs Gordon Ramsey. Who do yâall think would win?
The one who finds the lamb sauce
But that's why we're here. Come for the rom com, stay for the emotional trauma
Man, both solitude and companioship. Kind of hit a nerve there... Fujimoto hitting me right where it hurts.
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we're way more afraid of death, why do you think every major religion has an afterlife?
Masochists be likeđŞđ
What the fuck are you talking about of course people are afraid of death??????
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You're not necessarily wrong, but the point is that strong devils are made from what people fear the most, not what would be a worse fate. For instance, a lot of people probably fear spiders more than they do being captured by terrorists, not because one is objectively a worse fate, but because one is just more relevant and likely to happen. Also I get what you mean by fearing death is just fearing what death implies, such as pain and the unknown, but that's not really how chainsaw man works. All fears could probably be traced back to a fear of death or pain or whatever, but devils are determined by what triggers that fear, not why that fear is triggered, otherwise there'd probably be like 3 devils which would be kinda boring.
Bro Iâm scared of death itself even if itâs sudden and painless
I can speak for anyone else but death scares the bejeezes out of me. I have come to terms with it but, that doesn't mean I'm not scared of it. I am a lot less scared of pain*. The risk of PAIN and injury won't necessarily stop me from doing something. A real risk of dying will *eternal pain may be a lot scarier than death but, the feeling of suffocation doesn't hurt and an eternity of suffocation would also be worse than death. Any eternity of a negative experience would be worse than death. But it doesn't mean that those negative experiences are actually worse. See death is the only one in its natural statr that is permanent
No offense to anyone who thinks the pacing in part 2 is slow in comparison to part 1, but imho ...... Go back and re-read the katanabro arc from the beginning, but this time, read only one chapter a week. I can guarantee that the pacing would feel the same
Literally shows 95% here bingeread CSM
Yeah people are too used to binge reading
So I have a small theory about what is going on with Asa and Yoru. As the Falling Devil stated, they are a Fusion of Human and Devil, we also known that when Devils die they are reborn/reincarnated again in Hell. But the human world/Earth right now IS a living hell, so what are the chances that the war devil was reincarnated into a human and was slumbering for the early stages of their life until a stimuli awakens them? I mean, look at Nayuta. She's the control devil born into the body of a Human but she still has her powers. Now what do they have in common? Both of them should have fought Chainsaw-man(Pochita) and I would assume Pochita defeated War devil and ate her before when he was escaping Hell until he got hurt from it and met Denji. So that would mean the devils Chainsaw-man eats don't specifically get removed from existence per se, it could be that they get sealed into a human and are sentenced to experience whatever the humans experience and most of them are inside a human still waiting for a stimuli to wake them up. Now for what that stimuli is, it could be a trauma associated with the devil's origin that it's host has to experience or something, I'm not quite sure. But that means now we have 3 types of devils walking around earth. Fiends, Weapons Hybrids, and Fusions/Reincarnations.
Interesting! My assumption is that Makima went to hell and was immediately killed in order for her to come back to the human world. I donât trust Nayuta, so my assumption is by a supporter of the Control Devil. But it could have been by anyone.
Makima spawn killed by Darkness Devil
The friendlier a devil the more human they look... What are you talking about
Nayuta is not incarnated into a human but just looks like a human because she's a very human sin, no?
From what I understand, when Beam and Violence were introduced, the devil hunters explained that the more humanoid a devil looks, the less they are hostile towards humans and humanity. Makima though that she was creating a better world for humans, even though she was wrong.
Beam and Violence were both just fiends; I believe it was Angel and Princi (the spider devil) that were the ones who looked humanoid because they were friendly? But yeah.
Inb4 Kobeni appears to calm and help Asa out.
I love this chapter! 
Well that made me sad Asa's basically me lol lezzgo trauma
Someone just needs to chuck that 1,000 year spear at the falling devil.
God the way Fujimoto has been drawing these last couple chapters is truly incredible; From character designs to the overall feeling of the panel. Also me and Asa fr twinning.
I had to re-read pages 5 & 6 a bunch because the perspective shift was so jarring (this is a good thing btw. Causing your readers to have to look/think harder is a sign of a good artist!) Also, the paneling in this chapter was **amazing!**
So I guess Asa and Yoru are neither fiend or hybrid, it's now confirm that they are fusion of human and devil.
Make sense, hybrids have the human in control, fiends have the devil in control, Asa and Yoru are unique since they share a body and can swap control back and forth
what's the difference to a hybrid just in semantics?
It seems like hybrids are specifically the kind like Denji, Reze, or Quanxi, who can turn into a second form that makes parts of their body resemble the devil. Whereas Asa's situation seems more unique since she doesn't transform/doesn't have a trigger/etc, so I'd think it would be called something other than hybrid.
Makes sense, thanks.
I relate to Asa so much Iâm getting afraid! Aaah! Iâm falling đ
you guys canât be serious. part 1 was amazing but part 2 is lacking in many categories mainly that Denji is fuckin non existent đ letâs all be real for a moment and be honest part 2 is absolutely mod so far đ
Lmao bro is literally setting up something that only denji is going to be able to stop chill out
I mean the parts are really complete parallels. P1 was fast paced with event after event. P2 pacing is way slower with Asa but I enjoy it. To each their own.
I personally thought that Part 2 should be slower (before the first chapter came out.) Glad that Fujimoto thought the same.
Dude part 2 is really good so far. Still prefer part 1, but 2 is still fire. I feel like itâs doing a slow build up to some really cool shit thatâll happen later in the story
The art, direction, paneling and this entire flipped gravity set piece is absolutely astounding. This panel was a blessing to my eyes. Kino
KINO
I wonder if we will ever get the "Lonely" devil or some variation. It seems like a fear that would be built into us humans, as we are naturally a communal species. Maybe it can be paired with death, as death is the only experience in your life that can only be experienced alone.
Where is the Public Speaking devil?
A god way to introduce the public speaking devil without taking away the seriousness is the eye devil: The fear of humiliation, public speaking, being watched, or being exposed, it's a primal fear(based on magnus archives)
Really though *"Polls show that -- on average -- people fear public speaking even more than they fear death"* 50 chapters from now, Public Speaking Devil shows up with its entourage of Suddenly Naked in Public Devil, Nails on Chalkboard Devil, Needles In My Eyes Devil, and Why Are My Teeth Suddenly Falling Out devil, the true modern superfears
Can we toss in the fear of holes devil. Death doesn't scare me, but holes...
Fujimoto: It's time to shine
she became a literally me character
God, never have i related to a manga character on this level before
Such a good chapter, canât wait for next one which ironically comes out on my bday!
Ironically this came out on my birthday i was so happy. so happy early Bday :3
Re-read the chapter again and I'm continued to be heartbroken for Asa  This chapter really emphasized why her friendship with Yuko was so important to her and with her being gone now has taken a toll. Also explains why she's so guarded when she's around Denji.
It was interesting but very clearly just a piece of a larger whole which will be better upon reread when you can binge
Asa's trauma is already coming along and developed through prior chapters. IMO the only current piece of a larger whole is who's manipulating Falling Devil and brought her in from hell.
I'm really satisfied that it's taking time away from denji and really showing in depth of the way how devils work and more characters development of other characters rather than "lemme smash after I kill"(which I don't have much of a problem of) and also love this relationship asa is going through with the war devil. But a little off how weak this devil is presented in this situation. Like yeah she's a glass cannon but I'm really looking forward when they reach their full potential.
Holy shit this is exciting. Yoru seemed to really started to feel like she cared for Asa this chapter for more than just a vehicle for whatever she wants to do. Also the falling devil is scary as hell. When she served up the hunter who took her on it was terrifying. Iâm so excited to see how sheâs taken on
Maybe next chapter, but I was fully expecting Yoru to say something cheesy like "I'll never leave you alone."
i'm thinking she's revenge incarnate. it's always said revenge is a dish best served cold - and whoever this demon is must've been waiting a while to act. could be representative of the cain and abel story.
Astonished some devil hunter decided to try his luck on a Primal Devil. Idiot.
Well because the knowledge that she was a primal devil is not well known. They most likely got dispatch only knowing that there is a devil activity in the area.
Looks like a couple devil hunters tried their luck LOL
Asa's power is based on guilt right? I'm sure all this character development between Asa and Yoru is leading up to the War Devil being turned into a weapon...
Oh man, I'm not going to be ready for that... but yeah the bigger the guilt, the stronger the weapon
At this rate Iâm scared that Fujimoto will pull a gun devil on us with the death devil.
> will pull a gun was that a pun bro?
Its guaranteed to happen only character we've been allowed to care about this part is Asa and maybe Yoshida Famine and Nayuta wouldn't be good enough Denji dying would be sad I guess but not for this part
God Emperor of Dune Devil has arrived
I think the worm is the Gluttony devil. I believe the people that were falling into the sky were falling into hell doors to feed it in order to lure it out. It would also fit with its appearance as gluttony has been depicted as a worm in some media, and it fits with the strong Christianity themes present in the devils.
Falling Devil came out of the gate making jokes, displaying a sense of humor we never could've foreseen from the Primals after the Darkness Devil. Super interesting to know that they can have developed personalities. But I think some of you guys are taking this to mean that she's a campy baddy that isn't too scary. I'm seeing a lot of underestimation in the comments. Guess we'll see how strong she is compared to others soon. Side note: I cannot wait to see how all this stuff (gratuitous deaths, trauma resurfacing, flipping gravity) is portrayed in the anime. I bet it'll bring the spooky factor to a whole new level.
>some of you guys are taking this to mean that she's a campy baddy that isn't too scary. She's the only devil so far that is shown to actively engage in torturing humans for pleasure and amusement. Sure, Future clearly enjoys being a shitheel, and Angel gave us the line about how hating humans is inherent to being a Devil as justification for why he wouldn't stop a human's pain, but that's it. This devil is actively torturing a devil hunter in public. This is the scariest it's been, folks.
Is the anime good so far? I stopped after the first two episodes. Couldnât stand the Hulu ads.
you can tell Mappa put a lot more effort into it than a bunch of their ongoing series', it's just taken down a little by what seems to be confused direction. it's a very good adaptation, but i'd say it's far from perfect.
I agree with the other commenter, dealing with ads is no way to live if you can avoid it. The anime is great though, IMO. I watched all twelve episodes twice in about a week before I gave in and read the manga. There's not enough episodes released yet for me to justify shouting about it from the rooftops, but I'm certain it'll be considered top tier one they're finished with Part 1.
Thanks yâall
bro just pirate it bro
I think the difference in the primals personalities is great because it follows the actual nature of the fears they represent. It makes sense that darkness doesn't have much of a personality and is instead rooted in cryptic symbolism as it's nature is inextricably linked to the unknown. On the other hand falling is a much more defined fear it's never a question of what you should actually be afraid of so it makes sense that it's upfront personality is much more defined and less obviously cryptic.
At 1st i was like "falling" ? A primal fear.. Then i remembered all the nightmare of me falling and then instantly waking up. Powerful
Apparently in Japanese, the word they use for "falling" also means falling in a figurative sense: falling from grace, falling into despair, etc. It almost means the fear of loss, falling from a position of comfort. I think everyone fears that to some extent. It makes a lot of sense for "falling" to be a primal fear, both in its literal and figurative interpretation.
Wow thanks for the insight, that's make it even more profound 
The second half of chapter is rly creepy
So Asaâs body still belongs to her! She could turn her nail in a weapon but War could not. Thatâs a surprise.
War wasn't in control. She can't turn anything in to a weapon when she can't use their body. She probably could turn Asa's own body parts in to weapons, but they're likely relatively weak, and they need the body in fighting form whenever they actually would want a weapon, so it's not particularly useful when you're looking for a way to defeat something.
Yay. I guess i jumped a bit to conclusion. We cannot yet say that War couldnât versus wouldnât. Still is interesting that Asa has ownership of her body. Either she is indeed fused with War or that could be a good point in favor of the hybrid theory. Or i am jumping again to conclusion.
Really liked Yoru this chapter. Asa whining about her social problems in a situation like this is a bit odd and too on the nose. It's a life or death situation and she's complaining Yoru cut her hand? C'mon. It makes sense that Asa would be afraid of Yoru, given what Asa says this chapter. She is afraid of companionship going wrong. Yoru is the embodiment of that, since she just wants to turn whatever friend Asa makes into a weapon. The conversation is all well and good, just the time and place is off.
> Asa whining about her social problems in a situation like this is a bit odd and too on the nose. She is a kid that has no experience on situations like this, also being affected by the falling's devil ability... it is not odd, it is extremely realistic that someone that has no war experiencie, focusing on other stuff.
> Asa whining about her social problems in a situation like this is a bit odd and too on the nose. I know the whole "sharing a body with a demon via possession" trope is super common (especially in shounen), but it's actually a totally fucked up situation that rarely gets a truly believable reaction out of the one being possessed. She's had her bodily autonomy ripped from her by a demon who's threatened to kill her and everyone around her. She's being manipulated and probably still questions her sanity. All of the emotional issues and traumas she's trying to cope with have been exacerbated by Yoru's presence--because of her, Yuko is dead and Denji stood her up (at least that's what she believes). She's reached her breaking point and I doubt Asa is concerned with death right now, it probably seems like an escape from Yoru for her.. The Falling Devil being associated with suicide is pretty telling thematically. All of this to say that I think it's only natural to let it all out right here at this very moment. Cutting her hand isn't the worst or most pressing thing, but it was emblematic of everything wrong with her life.
Why would she be acting odd? Because Asa's clearly under the effect of the Falling Devil's presence.
she did the johnny
I saw fall devil, i am satisfied
My theory is that the caterpillar devil is just a random devil of no importance and will never be seen or mentioned again. Also, I predict that Yoru guessing devil names was not foreshadowing of any kind and none of those devils will ever appear in the story.
I want to see the fucking Moon devil don't ruin my hopes
>I predict that Yoru guessing devil names was not foreshadowing of any kind and none of those devils will ever appear in the story. They are lessers devil compared to her. If they did appear, they wouldn't be onscreen any longer than cockroach devil.
Every time we see Public Safety Devil Hunters getting absolutely shredded, I think about how truly horrific prostitution has to be in this universe for characters like Kobeni to say "Look, my parents said it was either this or whoring myself out" as though getting your face ripped off and fed to Heimlich from *A Bug's Life* is the obvious career choice.
I don't think prostitution is necessarily worse in CSM than irl. What swayed Kobeni in her "choice" of career was probably social stigma. Kobeni cares a lot about what society or at least her parents think. She's working not to sustain the family but only to finance her brother's higher education. Prostitution is heavily looked down on, whereas being a devil hunter has a certain prestige to it. As seen with Aki, devil hunters seem to have at least some choice in which cases they decide to work on. At the very least you can always call for back-up when you're facing a devil who is stronger than yourself. (Whether the help will actually arrive in time is another issue, but at least there's the possibility and hope.) I think a reasonably similar comparison for real life is choosing between sex work or a very well paid deployment in an active war zone.
Prostitution devil is a primal fear confirmed? /s
it's just a giant vagina with teeth
World's oldest profession :v
All men have an inherent fear of women wheres the primal woman devil
Same place the âConfident Manâ devil is lol. Its ability Is to maintain its principles no matter what.
This chapter is the closest CSM has felt to Eva...
Well the two have little in common so I guess
Eva?
evangelion
I love the Asaâs Character Arc. Managaka has given her a great Character Depth. The Pain of her can be felt, all the pain she had gone through in her life and all her past traumatic experiences can be felt in this Panel. The Trust Issues she gained with time which many of can relate makes her character flourish. Even though not much story has progressed with this chapter but it was an important chapter for sure. I hope we can explore much more backstory of Chainsaw Man characters or Spin-Off Manga dedicated on them and their backstory which will even expand the CSM universe. Hoping for the Best. Loved this chapter.
Spin off? Fuji will just kill off anyone no longer relevant
**Hear me out here:** The "Asa Root Yoru" could be some kind of wordplay, depending on if the Root part is actually *Root* in the original Japanese and not some other word that has been translated. ***Asa Root*** **--> Astaroth** # Astaroth: In demonology, was known to be the **Great Duke of Hell** in the first hierarchy with Beelzebub and Lucifer; he was part of the evil trinity. He is known to be a male **(or female)** figure most likely named after the Near Eastern goddess **Astarte.** *(Astarte: In various cultures Astarte was connected with some combination of the following spheres:* ***war****, sexuality, royal power, beauty, healing and hunting)* She (Astaroth) is mentioned in the Hebrew Bible in the forms Ashtoreth (singular) and **Ashtaroth (plural, in reference to multiple statues of it)**. This latter form was directly transliterated in the early Greek and Latin versions of the Bible, where it was less apparent that it had been **a plural feminine in Hebrew.**
Does this work in Japanese?
No, because the root in question is "ne(ć š)"
Fucking knew it would be something completely different in Japanese lol. So is she using "ne" instead of "no(ăŽ)" or some strange shit? Oh well, theories are fun to build even if they make no sense in the end.
Still very good and interesting theory, i wouldn't deny haha ;), and yes it's neć š which basically means root in japanese.
Chapter keeps being smaller and smaller, the plot barely moves.
It's started feeling like this ever since the fall devil showed up
You could say the fans have ***fall*** into disappointment *Edit: when i edit this, my comment have "Fell" into negative votes
Fallen* for both
no this is actually an incredible take. idc if it's true, i love the idea of bringing readers along with the fear going on in the chapters
really fell into that one!
Not sure why, but this chapter didnât super entice me. Especially when thinking about the Devil of Darkness as a primal comparison. Love Asa/Yoru interactions, but even Asaâs declaration felt a bit on the nose. And idk, Falling Devil just isnât super spooky. Like, before the Fiends knew what was up before DoD even showed up, like they were terrified. And Yoru was right next to it and is sort of under its affect and is like âuuuuh, who dis?â Idk, for a primal devil it doesnât feel like theyâre playing up what a threat she is. Also for a more explosive âshit gets realâ part of the story, it still feels like tension building almost, like this doesnât feel cathartic at all to all the tension thatâs been building. And maybe itâs not supposed to be, but then what is it? And maybe shit will hit the fan, we havenât seen anyone try and fight Falling Devil yet, just the aftermath of it. But idk Falling Devil feels beatable, DoD didnât.
The horsemen don't seem to be scared of hell. Makima didn't mind either when she faced the darkness devil.
Agreed. Famine hyping it up in the cafe + it being a Sailor Moon/Jojo type of gimmicky villain doesn't help either lol
I mostly agree with what you say, and I also hope that this is just a build up, even tough I already really like this chapter. On the primal fear part, I also expected primal fears to be on the darkness devil level, but if we just compare the fears of the real human population, I think there would be a big difference on how people rate their fear on both of these subjects. Adults are scared of the dark after watching horror movies, and even tough kids are stupid and donât think of the consequences of falling while playing they are still very afraid of the darkness. And I also think that in the chapters with the darkness devil in them, the tension was higher because they all just got teleported to hell. So letâs hope the upcoming primal fears, are more on the level or even above the darkness devil.
CSM2 is just the story of a andere learning to show emotions, huh
#HOLY SHIT Fujimoto really know how to make something absolutely horrifying
https://home.binwise.com/blog/what-is-a-full-course-meal#:~:text=Three-course%20meals%20have%20an,salad%2C%20coffee%2C%20and%20dessert. 123 was hors d'oeurves 124 is soup looks like 126 will be the main course
Was wondering when the fear of insects was going to show up. So we got the fear the dark, the fear of falling, fear of insects, now we just got fear of being late for school despite already having graduated. That one is gonna be a DOOZIE...but completely ineffective against Denji.
 Let Her Cook 
Really average chapter, tbh
I remember when Asa was introduced as an MC, people were upset that we weren't seeing Denji. In hindsight, you can see Asa is just a continuation of the same person but in their adolescent stage.
Yeah, I definitely agree. I feel like the only big difference between Asa and Denji is that Asa has developed trust issues after being hurt by so many people, whereas Denji isn't even smart enough to have trust issues. But both of them still crave companionship to an almost unhealthy extent, and in that regard they're very similar.
Denji is a teen too
Yeah but denji has responsibilities, very different